De theorie is dat het virus per ongeluk is gelekt uit het Wuhan Institute of Virology, waar men onderzoek doet naar coronavirussen.
Deze theorie dat het per ongeluk uit het Wuhan lab is ontsnapt doordat men laks omging met veiligheidsmaatregelen is m.i. net even iets aannemelijker dan een dierenmarkt...
1) het Wuhan lab was al een paar keer eerder aangemaand vanwege niet nageleefde voorschriften
2) Dierenmarkten heb je in heel China, zo'n lab alleen in Wuhan
3) Verklaart waarom de Chinese overheid - tot het echt niet anders kon - er alles aan deed om de uitbraak te verbergen
4) Het dierenmarkt narratief werd wel erg snel leidend. Nogal logisch, stel dat Rutte de natie toespreekt over een virus dat per ongeluk uit een Chinees lab is ontsnapt...
Leesvoer, o.a.:
www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-57268111.amp
https://www.dailymail.co.(...)ew-study-claims.html
Ja die is er, met heel toevallig jou als TS.quote:Op donderdag 3 juni 2021 19:15 schreef Tlaloc het volgende:
Geen idee of er hier al een topic over is?
NWS / Chinese labmedewerkers hadden coronaklachten voor uitbraak
https://thebulletin.org/2(...)YKAiZj5mig8.facebook
Lab leak betekent trouwens niet perse opzet, of zelfs dat het onderzoek dat in Wuhan gedaan wordt dubieus is.
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Ja die is er, met heel toevallig jou als TS.
NWS / Chinese labmedewerkers hadden coronaklachten voor uitbraak
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In COR, Foekiequote:
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Ja die is er, met heel toevallig jou als TS.
NWS / Chinese labmedewerkers hadden coronaklachten voor uitbraak
Het moedwillig verbloemen wel.
Nu ook de serieuzere media het beginnen over te nemen, haalt het uit de bnw sfeer.
Biden is ook BNW aanhanger?quote:
Zeer interessant artikel die geen conclusies trekt, maar wel aangeeft waar het flink schuurt.
Volgens History Channel's Ancient Aliens, weten we alleen dat het op 2 plekken tegelijkertijd uitbrak, in de VS en in India, toen je nog niet kon vliegen.
De wuhan lab theorie, is voorals nog even vaag als dat, dit virus met een meteoor op aarde terecht is gekomen. En daarom lichaamsvreemd is ofzo.
Dank voor het delen!quote:Op donderdag 3 juni 2021 20:47 schreef Netsplitter het volgende:
https://www.newsweek.com/(...)rassed-media-1596958
Zeer interessant artikel die geen conclusies trekt, maar wel aangeeft waar het flink schuurt.
Deze is wel heel opvallend. Wat is dan de chain of events? Mijnwerkers in zuid-china krijgen in 2012 een ziekte met een nieuw virus, Wuhan Institute of Virology onderzoekt dat. Mixt dit vervolgens met een bestaand coronavirus in een "gain of function" onderzoek. Uiteindelijk doel hiervan is een vaccin te ontwikkelen wat op alle coronavirussen werkt. WIV heeft lab safety niet op orde. Oktober / november 2019 raken labmedewerkers besmet?quote:The genetic sequence for RaTG13 perfectly matched a small piece of genetic code posted as part of a paper written by Shi Zhengli years earlier, but never mentioned again. The code came from a virus the WIV had found in a Yunnan bat. Connecting key details in the two papers with old news stories, the DRASTIC team determined that RaTG13 had come from a mineshaft in Mojiang County, in Yunnan Province, where six men shoveling bat guano in 2012 had developed pneumonia. Three of them died. DRASTIC wondered if that event marked the first cases of human beings being infected with a precursor of SARS-CoV-2—perhaps RaTG13 or something like it.
Dat is wat men vermoed. Bewijzen kan niet, dus het blijft bij speculeren helaas.quote:
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Dank voor het delen!
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Deze is wel heel opvallend. Wat is dan de chain of events? Mijnwerkers in zuid-china krijgen in 2012 een ziekte met een nieuw virus, Wuhan Institute of Virology onderzoekt dat. Mixt dit vervolgens met een bestaand coronavirus in een "gain of function" onderzoek. Uiteindelijk doel hiervan is een vaccin te ontwikkelen wat op alle coronavirussen werkt. WIV heeft lab safety niet op orde. Oktober / november 2019 raken labmedewerkers besmet?
quote:The WIV maintained a database on its website with all the data on the viruses in its collection, including the many unpublished ones, but that page on its website has been empty for some time. When asked about the missing database in January 2021, Shi Zhengli explained that it had been taken offline during the pandemic because the WIV web server had become the focus of online attacks. But once again, DRASTIC poked holes in this explanation: the database was taken down on September 12, 2019, shortly before the start of the pandemic, and well before the WIV would have become a target.
Tja, men zal er nooit achter komen. Vrees dat degene die het weten hun leven niet zeker zijn of al dood zijn...quote:
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Dat is wat men vermoed. Bewijzen kan niet, dus het blijft bij speculeren helaas.
Vertel, waarom denk je dat?quote:
quote:Other databases yielded other clues. In the WIV's grant applications and awards, The Seeker found detailed descriptions of the Institute's research plans, and they were damning: Projects were underway to test the infectivity of novel SARS-like viruses they'd discovered in human cells and in lab animals, to see how they might mutate as they crossed species, and to genetically recombine pieces of different viruses—all being done at woefully inadequate biosecurity levels. All the elements for a disaster were on hand.
Je hebt een echte link?quote:
Ow, wacht, een link die niet steeds dezelfde bron heeft... Nee, echt, een link die niet gequote en weer gequote is?
Maar eerst gingen gewoon een paar dorpen dood en loste het probleem zichzelf op, maar nu stappen de dorpelingen met z'n allen op het vliegtuig. En krijgen virussen alle kans om maar door te blijven muteren.
zelf verzonnen.
Lees eens die link van Netsplitter.quote:
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Je hebt een echte link?
Ow, wacht, een link die niet steeds dezelfde bron heeft... Nee, echt, een link die niet gequote en weer gequote is?
Nee, we gaan niet linken naar linken van linken naar linken.quote:
Complete bullshit duss... Er is totaal niks maga te don?quote:
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Dat is wat men vermoed. Bewijzen kan niet, dus het blijft bij speculeren helaas.
Echter ja dit is een aanname maar zeker niet onrealistisch.
Welke onzin geloof je?quote:
Deze theorie kan zomaar de waarheid zijn echter bewijslast wordt heel moeilijk, en dat China onderzoeken bemoeilijkt wordt het er niet beter op.
Echter ja dit is een aanname maar zeker niet onrealistisch.
Jij gelooft altijd dat China 100% de waarheid vertelt ?quote:
De arts wat het aangekaart had werd ook een tijdje genereert en in de doofpot gedrukt, pas toen het uit de hand liep en geen houden meer aan was ging er wat gebeuren.
Waarom zou China anders buitenlandse onderzoekers gaan weigeren? wat hebben ze te verbergen ?
Wij horen alleen maar minimale informatie het verhaal onderzoeken op de waarheid wordt onmogelijk gemaakt.
Beetje als de slager keurt zijn eigen vlees.
Kom maar met bewijzen die anders zeggen.quote:
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Complete bullshit duss... Er is totaal niks maga te don?
China is nu de slechterik?quote:
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Jij gelooft altijd dat China 100% de waarheid vertelt ?
De arts wat het aangekaart had werd ook een tijdje genereert en in de doofpot gedrukt, pas toen het uit de hand liep en geen houden meer aan was ging er wat gebeuren.
Waarom zou China anders buitenlandse onderzoekers gaan weigeren? wat hebben ze te verbergen ?
Wij horen alleen maar minimale informatie het verhaal onderzoeken op de waarheid wordt onmogelijk gemaakt.
Beetje als de slager keurt zijn eigen vlees.
Ik weet niet waarom China buitenlandse onderzoekers weigert. Dat is vrij makkelijk uit te zoeken
Ok, dan is je Lambo wel ergens, toch? Er is geen benzine of diesel, whatever je wilt in je dure bak.. Ik denk dat de tank van je dure auto leeg geroofd wordt, omdat mensen het ziekenhuis draaiende willen houden.quote:
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Ik heb vandaag een rode lamborghini gekocht, maar je mag hem niet zien en ik pik het niet dat je me niet gelooft! Ik zeg het dus is het zo.
Je haalt het einde van de quote nietquote:
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Ik heb vandaag een rode lamborghini gekocht, maar je mag hem niet zien en ik pik het niet dat je me niet gelooft! Ik zeg het dus is het zo.
Ja, het is zo vermoeiend als men dingen zo stellig beweert, maar niet eens gewoon bewijs kan delen, omdat het er gewoon niet is.quote:
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Ok, dan is je Lambo wel ergens, toch? Er is geen benzine of diesel, whatever je wilt in je dure bak.. Ik denk dat de tank van je dure auto leeg geroofd wordt, omdat mensen het ziekenhuis draaiende willen houden.
Nog niet, denk ik dan maar.
Misschien is het die menselijke eigenschap, om gewoon eerst een dader te zoeken, een heksenjacht, omdat het onderwerp zo heftig om te begrijpen is.
Benzine of diesel?quote:
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Ja, het is zo vermoeiend als men dingen zo stellig beweert, maar niet eens gewoon bewijs kan delen, omdat het er gewoon niet is.
Nog niet, denk ik dan maar.
Misschien is het die menselijke eigenschap, om gewoon eerst een dader te zoeken, een heksenjacht, omdat het onderwerp zo heftig om te begrijpen is.
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Ok, dan is je Lambo wel ergens, toch? Er is geen benzine of diesel, whatever je wilt in je dure bak.. Ik denk dat de tank van je dure auto leeg geroofd wordt, omdat mensen het ziekenhuis draaiende willen houden.
Zoiets dus? Ik snap niet precies waarom je je steeds wilt verbergen?quote:
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Ik heb vandaag een rode lamborghini gekocht, maar je mag hem niet zien en ik pik het niet dat je me niet gelooft! Ik zeg het dus is het zo.
Heb je het artikel gelezen?quote:
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Ja, het is zo vermoeiend als men dingen zo stellig beweert, maar niet eens gewoon bewijs kan delen, omdat het er gewoon niet is.
Nog niet, denk ik dan maar.
Misschien is het die menselijke eigenschap, om gewoon eerst een dader te zoeken, een heksenjacht, omdat het onderwerp zo heftig om te begrijpen is.
Nee, maar ik ben eraan begonnen.quote:
Titled The Unnatural Origin of SARS and New Species of Man-Made Viruses as Genetic Bioweapons, the paper predicted that World War Three would be fought with biological weapons.
Released five years before the start of the COVID-19 pandemic, it describes SARS coronaviruses as a “new era of genetic weapons” that can be “artificially manipulated into an emerging human disease virus, then weaponised and unleashed in a way never seen before”.
Peter Jennings, the executive director of the Australian Strategic Policy Institute (ASPI), told news.com.au that the document is as close to a “smoking gun” as we’ve got."
Allemaal complotgekkies
Ja, het artikel.quote:
Ga je nog inhoudelijk reageren?
ALs je een link hebt naar het "artikel", wel.quote:
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Ja, het artikel.
Ga je nog inhoudelijk reageren?
https://forum-fok.digidip(...)c%2F2609423%2F1%2F25quote:
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ALs je een link hebt naar het "artikel", wel.
Paywall.quote:
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https://forum-fok.digidip(...)c%2F2609423%2F1%2F25
Misschien dit misschien dat.
Wat ik eruit haalde dat de bio wetenschap nou eenmaal naar dit soort virussen onderzoek doet en mee expirimenteert en dat dat, deze keer, op de een of ander manier fout is gegaan en de chinezen, zoals gewoonlijk nooit meewerken.
Maar zeker weten kunnen we het niet, staat er met heel veel woorden, want de chinezen werken niet mee.
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quote:have been triggered by a laboratory accident in Wuhan, China, was largely dismissed as a racist conspiracy theory of the alt-right. The Washington Post in early 2020 accused Senator Tom Cotton of "fanning the embers of a conspiracy theory that has been repeatedly debunked by experts." CNN jumped in with "How to debunk coronavirus conspiracy theories and misinformation from friends and family." Most other mainstream outlets, from The New York Times ("fringe theory") to NPR ("Scientists debunk lab accident theory"), were equally dismissive. (Newsweek was an exception, reporting in April 2020 that the WIV was involved in gain-of-function research and might have been the site of a lab leak; Mother Jones, Business Insider, the NY Post and FOX News were also exceptions.) But in the last week or so, the story has burst into the public discourse. President Joe Biden has demanded an investigation by U.S. intelligence. And the mainstream media, in an astonishing about-face, is treating the possibility with deadly seriousness.
The reason for the sudden shift in attitudes is clear: over the weeks and months of the pandemic, the pileup of circumstantial evidence pointing to the Wuhan lab kept growing—until it became too substantial to ignore.
Wuhan lab theory gains traction
Workers are seen inside the P4 laboratory in Wuhan, capital of China's Hubei province, on February 23, 2017. Amateur sleuths pulled together the evidence of a lab leak as the cause of the COVID-19 pandemic.
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The people responsible for uncovering this evidence are not journalists or spies or scientists. They are a group of amateur sleuths, with few resources except curiosity and a willingness to spend days combing the internet for clues. Throughout the pandemic, about two dozen or so correspondents, many anonymous, working independently from many different countries, have uncovered obscure documents, pieced together the information, and explained it all in long threads on Twitter—in a kind of open-source, collective brainstorming session that was part forensic science, part citizen journalism, and entirely new. They call themselves DRASTIC, for Decentralized Radical Autonomous Search Team Investigating COVID-19.
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For a long time, DRASTIC's discoveries stayed confined to the strange world of Twitter, known only to a few nerdy followers. The sleuths ran into a fair number of dead ends, got into the occasional spat with scientists who disagreed with their interpretations, and produced a firehose of reporting. Gradually, the quality of their research and the rigor of their thinking drew a larger following, including many professional scientists and journalists.
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Thanks to DRASTIC, we now know that the Wuhan Institute of Virology had an extensive collection of coronaviruses gathered over many years of foraging in the bat caves, and that many of them—including the closest known relative to the pandemic virus, SARS-CoV-2—came from a mineshaft where three men died from a suspected SARS-like disease in 2012. We know that the WIV was actively working with these viruses, using inadequate safety protocols, in ways that could have triggered the pandemic, and that the lab and Chinese authorities have gone to great lengths to conceal these activities. We know that the first cases appeared weeks before the outbreak at the Huanan wet market that was once thought to be ground zero.
None of this proves that the pandemic started in the Wuhan lab, of course: it's entirely possible that it did not. But the evidence assembled by DRASTIC amounts to what prosecutors call probable cause—a strong, evidence-based case for a full investigation. It's not clear that the best efforts of the U.S. and other nations to investigate the lab-leak hypothesis will ever turn up unequivocal evidence one way or another, at least without the full cooperation of China, which is unlikely.
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But if they do, this small, motley group of amateur sleuths will have broken what may be the biggest story of the 21st century.
This is how they did it.
Strange coincidences
The young Indian man who calls himself The Seeker is in his late-20s, lives somewhere in eastern India, and uses a piece of tribal art from his home region of West Bengal for his Twitter logo, he said via email. His career has been a melange of architecture, painting, and filmmaking—a khichdi, his mother and sister call it, meaning a stew of disparate ingredients that adds up to something surprising and delightful. A voracious autodidact, he'd become an expert at searching the back alleys of the web, far beyond the well-lit places patrolled by Google, for information on whatever topic interested him. He often posted on Reddit, where he had accumulated a massive 750,000 karma points. That's all The Seeker revealed to Newsweek through email and messaging; he maintains his anonymity.
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The Seeker's Twitter bio. The people responsible for bringing the Wuhan lab-leak story to light are not journalists or spies or scientists. They are amateur sleuths with few resources except curiosity and a willingness to spend days combing the internet for clues.
Like most people following the news back when the pandemic started, The Seeker initially believed that the virus had jumped from wild animals to humans at a Wuhan wet market. (On March 27 he tweeted, "Nobody wants to see their parents or grandma and grandpa die over a stupid virus from an exotic animal market.") He believed this because that's what the mainstream press told him, and the mainstream press believed it because that is what a handful of scientists had said.
Chief among these scientists was a biologist named Peter Daszak, president of EcoHealth Alliance, a non-profit research group that ran a large international program to survey natural pathogens with the potential to cause a pandemic. Daszak had been collaborating for years with Shi Zhengli, the director of the Wuhan Institute of Virology and a renowned bat virologist. Daszak co-authored nearly a dozen papers with Shi and funneled at least $600,000 of U.S. government grants her way.
Peter Daszak
WHO team member Peter Daszak leaves his hotel after the World Health Organization (WHO) team wrapped up its investigation into the origins of the COVID-19 coronavirus in Wuhan in China's central Hubei province on February 10, 2021. (Photo by Hector RETAMAL / AFP) (Photo by HECTOR RETAMAL/AFP via Getty Images)
When the pandemic happened to break out on the doorstep of the lab with the largest collection of coronaviruses in the world, fueling speculation that the WIV might be involved, Daszak and 26 other scientists signed a letter that appeared in The Lancet on February 19, 2020. "We stand together to strongly condemn conspiracy theories suggesting that COVID-19 does not have a natural origin," it stated.
We now know, thanks to a Freedom of Information Act request, that Daszak orchestrated the letter to squelch talk of a lab leak. He drafted it, reached out to fellow scientists to sign it, and worked behind the scenes to make it seem that the letter represented the views of a broad range of scientists. "This statement will not have the EcoHealth Alliance logo on it and will not be identifiable as coming from any one organization or person," he wrote in his pitch to the co-signatories. Scientists whose work had overlapped with the WIV agreed not to sign it so they could "put it out in a way that doesn't link it back to our collaboration."
At the time, however, there was no hint of Daszak's organizing role. The letter helped make Daszak a ubiquitous presence in the media, where he called a lab-leak "preposterous," "baseless," and "pure baloney." He also attacked scientists who published evidence pointing to the lab. Part of the reason the lab theory made no sense, he argued, was because the Wuhan lab wasn't culturing any viruses remotely similar to SARS-CoV-2. (Daszak has not responded to Newsweek's request for comment.)
For a long time, Daszak was astonishingly influential. Few in the media questioned him or pointed out that his career and organization would be deeply damaged if it turned out his work had indirectly played a role in the pandemic. His unwitting accomplice was Donald Trump, who embraced the theory, turning what should have been a scientific question into a political one.
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When the Trump administration canceled EcoHealth Alliance contracts that would have spent millions on new virus research, 60 Minutes ran a segment that painted Daszak as a martyr to the right-wing conspiracy machine. For right-thinking people everywhere, it seemed like an easy call: The enemy of my enemy is my friend: thus, the lab-leak theory is bunk.
A Whiff of Censorship
By early 2020, The Seeker was beginning to question that viewpoint. He had begun to interact with people who were poking holes in the conventional wisdom.
One important piece was an extensive Medium post by the Canadian longevity entrepreneur Yuri Deigin that discussed RaTG13, a virus Shi Zhengli had revealed to the world in a February 3 paper in the journal Nature. In that paper, Shi presented the first extensive analysis of SARS-CoV-2, which had seemed to come from nowhere—the virus was unlike any that had been seen before, including the first SARS, which had killed 774 people from 2002 to 2004. In her paper, however, Shi also introduced RaTG13, a virus that is similar in genetic makeup to SARS-CoV-2, making it the only known close relative at the time.
The paper was vague about where RaTG13 had come from. It didn't say exactly where or when RaTG13 had been found, just that it had previously been detected in a bat in Yunnan Province, in southern China.
The paper aroused Deigin's suspicions. He wondered if SARS-CoV-2 might have emerged through some genetic mixing and matching from a lab working with RaTG13 or related viruses. His post was cogent and comprehensive. The Seeker posted Deigin's theory on Reddit, which promptly suspended his account permanently.
That early whiff of censorship piqued Seeker's curiosity, so he read more of the Twitter group's ideas. "I found a lively group of people eager to debate and explore the topic," he told Newsweek by email.
It was an eclectic group. There were entrepreneurs, engineers, and a microbiologist from the University of Innsbruck named Rossana Segreto. None of them had known each other in advance; they gravitated to the forum after independently concluding that the conventional wisdom of the origins of COVID-19 didn't make sense. Conversations were kept on track by a wisecracking coordinator living somewhere in Asia who went by the pseudonym Billy Bostickson, and whose Twitter icon was a cartoon of a beat-up lab monkey.
The Seeker fit right in. "They helped me catch up on the debate, and I started to educate myself," he says. "Before I knew it, I got hooked into the mystery." He was driven in part by curiosity, but also by a growing sense of civic duty. "COVID has taken the lives of countless people and devastated so many others. But it has also left so many clues that haven't been followed up. Humanity deserves answers."
The Seeker and the rest of the group became increasingly convinced that RaTG13 might hold the key to some of those answers. In a crackling thread, half a dozen participants hashed out its mysteries, combing the internet and the WIV's previous papers for clues.
If there is a moment when the DRASTIC team coalesced into something more than its disparate parts, it would be this thread. In real time, for all the world to see, they worked through the data, tested various hypotheses, corrected each other, and scored some direct hits.
The key facts quickly came together. The genetic sequence for RaTG13 perfectly matched a small piece of genetic code posted as part of a paper written by Shi Zhengli years earlier, but never mentioned again. The code came from a virus the WIV had found in a Yunnan bat. Connecting key details in the two papers with old news stories, the DRASTIC team determined that RaTG13 had come from a mineshaft in Mojiang County, in Yunnan Province, where six men shoveling bat guano in 2012 had developed pneumonia. Three of them died. DRASTIC wondered if that event marked the first cases of human beings being infected with a precursor of SARS-CoV-2—perhaps RaTG13 or something like it.
In a profile in Scientific American, Shi Zhengli acknowledged working in a mineshaft in Mojiang County where miners had died. But she avoided connecting it to RaTG13 (an omission she had made in her scientific papers as well), claiming that a fungus in the cave had killed the miners.
That explanation didn't sit well with the DRASTIC group. They suspected a SARS-like virus, not a fungus, had killed the miners and that, for whatever reason, the WIV was trying to hide that fact. It was a hunch, and they had no way of proving it.
At this point, The Seeker revealed his research powers to the group. In his online explorations, he'd recently discovered a massive Chinese database of academic journals and theses called CNKI. Now he wondered if somewhere in its vast circuitry might be information on the sickened miners.
Working through the night at his bedside table on phone and laptop, fueled by chai and using Chinese characters with the help of Google Translate, he plugged in "Mojiang"—the county where the mine was located—in combination with every other word he could think of that might be relevant, instantly translating each new flush of results back to English. "Mojiang + pneumonia"; "Mojiang + WIV"; "Mojiang + bats"; "Mojiang + SARS." Each search brought back thousands of results and half a dozen different databases for journals, books, newspapers, master's theses, doctoral dissertations. He combed through these results, night after night, but never found anything useful. When he ran out of energy, he broke for arcade games and more chai.
He was on the verge of calling it quits, he says, when he struck gold: a 60-page master's thesis written by a student at Kunming Medical University in 2013 titled "The Analysis of 6 Patients with Severe Pneumonia Caused by Unknown Viruses." In exhaustive detail, it described the conditions and step-by-step treatment of the miners. It named the suspected culprit: "Caused by SARS-like [coronavirus] from the Chinese horseshoe bat or other bats."
The Seeker dropped the link, without fanfare, on May 18, 2020, then followed up with a second thesis from a PhD student at the Chinese CDC confirming much of the information in the first. Four of the miners had tested positive for antibodies from a SARS-like infection. And the WIV had been looped in to test samples from them all. (Shortly after The Seeker posted the theses, China changed the access controls on CNKI so no one could do such a search again.)
COVID-19
This illustration, created at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), reveals ultrastructural morphology exhibited by coronaviruses. A novel coronavirus, named Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2), was identified as the cause of an outbreak of respiratory illness first detected in Wuhan, China in 2019. The illness caused by this virus has been named coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19).
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If a SARS-like virus had emerged in 2012, had been covered up, and the WIV had been sending people back to the mine to forage for more samples and bringing them back to Wuhan, that should have been front-page news the next day. Instead, not a single story appeared for weeks. A few stories appeared in the UK, including a feature in the Sunday Times. The U.S. media took a pass.
"I was definitely expecting it to blow up all over the news," The Seeker admits. "The general lack of interest in facts or reason surprised me. And it still perplexes me that even with all their resources, the corporate investigative media is lagging terribly."
Within days, DRASTIC managed to locate the coordinates of the mysterious Mojiang mine, but it would not catch the attention of the media until late 2020, when a race to get there began. The first attempt was by the BBC's John Sudworth, who found his path blocked by trucks and guards. (Sudworth would soon be forced to leave China because of his reporting.) The AP tried around the same time, with no better luck. Later, teams from NBC, CBS, Today, and other outlets also found their way blocked by trucks, trees, and angry men. Some were told that it was dangerous to proceed because of wild elephants. Eventually, a Wall Street Journal reporter reached the entrance to the mine by mountain bike—only to be detained for five hours of questioning. The mine's secrets remain.
A Huge Sudoku Puzzle
Although the Moijang mine revelation in May 2020 got nowhere in the media, it attracted new members to DRASTIC, which was able to expand its intelligence gathering to cover everything from viral genetics to biolab safety protocols. On May 21, 2020, Billy Bostickson dubbed the group "DRASTIC Research." He also began organizing the team into subgroups to focus on different aspects of the case. Soon, they were regularly posting discoveries that made lab involvement seem more likely.
A key team member was Francisco de Asis de Ribera, a Madrid data scientist who excels at mining big data sets. Over the years, the WIV had published a huge amount of information about its virus-hunting projects in different outlets and formats. Ribera began assembling it all into "a huge Sudoku puzzle," searching for places where he could fill in some of the blanks, slowly assembling a comprehensive map of the WIV's entire virus program. He and The Seeker made a formidable team, The Seeker unearthing new pieces of the puzzle and Ribera fitting them into place. ("I have always seen myself and Francisco as playing Detective McNulty and Detective Freamon from The Wire," The Seeker joked to Newsweek in one message.)
Ribera was responsible for solving another piece of the RaTG13 puzzle. Had the WIV been actively working on RaTG13 during the seven years since they discovered it? Peter Daszak said no: they had never used the virus because it wasn't similar enough to the original SARS. "We thought it's interesting, but not high-risk," he told Wired. "So we didn't do anything about it and put it in the freezer."
Shi Zhengli
Chinese virologist Shi Zhengli is seen inside the P4 laboratory in Wuhan, capital of China's Hubei province, on February 23, 2017. - The P4 epidemiological laboratory was built in co-operation with French bio-industrial firm Institut Merieux and the Chinese Academy of Sciences.
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Ribera disproved that account. When a new science paper on genetics is published, the authors must upload the accompanying genetic sequences to an international database. By examining some metadata tags that had been accidentally uploaded by the WIV along with its genetic sequences for RaTG13, Ribera discovered that scientists at the lab had indeed been actively studying the virus in 2017 and 2018—they hadn't stuck it in a freezer and forgotten about it, after all.
In fact, the WIV had been intensely interested in RaTG13 and everything else that had come from the Mojiang mineshaft. From his giant Sudoku puzzle, Ribera determined that they made at least seven different trips to the mine, over many years, collecting thousands of samples. Ribera's guess is that their technology had not been good enough in 2012 and 2013 to find the virus that had killed the miners, so they kept going back as the techniques improved.
He also made a bold prediction. Cross-referencing snippets of information from multiple sources, Ribera guessed, in a Twitter thread dated August 1, 2020, that a cluster of eight SARS-related viruses mentioned briefly in an obscure section of one WIV paper had actually also come from the Mojiang mine. In other words, they hadn't found one relative of SARS-CoV-2 in that mineshaft; they'd found nine. In November 2020, Shi Zhengli confirmed many of DRASTIC's suspicions about the Mojiang cave in an addendum to her original paper on RaTG13 and in a talk in February 2021.
Of course, the only reason Ribera has had to perform such Sherlockian feats is because the WIV has not shared the data investigators have asked for. The WIV maintained a database on its website with all the data on the viruses in its collection, including the many unpublished ones, but that page on its website has been empty for some time. When asked about the missing database in January 2021, Shi Zhengli explained that it had been taken offline during the pandemic because the WIV web server had become the focus of online attacks. But once again, DRASTIC poked holes in this explanation: the database was taken down on September 12, 2019, shortly before the start of the pandemic, and well before the WIV would have become a target.
Other databases yielded other clues. In the WIV's grant applications and awards, The Seeker found detailed descriptions of the Institute's research plans, and they were damning: Projects were underway to test the infectivity of novel SARS-like viruses they'd discovered in human cells and in lab animals, to see how they might mutate as they crossed species, and to genetically recombine pieces of different viruses—all being done at woefully inadequate biosecurity levels. All the elements for a disaster were on hand.
Of course, that is not proof that a disaster took place. Barring unlikely eyewitness testimony, we may never have that. But all the evidence DRASTIC has produced points in the same direction: The Wuhan Institute of Virology had spent years collecting dangerous coronaviruses, some of which it has never revealed to the world. It was actively testing these viruses to determine their ability to infect people, as well as what mutations might be necessary to enhance that ability—likely with the ultimate goal of producing a vaccine that would protect against all of them. And the ongoing effort to cover this up implies that something may have gone wrong.
Going Mainstream
By early 2021, DRASTIC had produced so much information that no one could keep up, not even its own researchers, so they launched their own website as a repository. The site contains enough science papers, Twitter threads, translations of Chinese documents and links to articles to keep a curious gumshoe busy for months.
Increasingly, those gumshoes are professional journalists and scientists. "Rossana Segreto and Yuri Deigin are my heroes," says the writer Nicholson Baker, who published an influential feature on the lab-leak theory in New York magazine. "They combed through the research and made inspired connections and uncovered crucial pieces of the story that needed to be told. Same goes for Mona Rahalkar and Billy Bostickson. Crowd-sourced scientific muckraking."
The UK journalist Ian Birrell concurs. "There is no doubt their collective efforts...have been crucial in challenging both China and the scientific establishment to ensure the lab leak theory is properly investigated," he wrote in Unherd. "It has been fascinating to see, in the course of my investigations over the past year, how this group of activists—in tandem with a few brave scientists—has forced the lab leak hypothesis from the shadows."
One of those scientists was Alina Chan, a molecular biologist at the Broad Institute of MIT and Harvard who recognized the value of the information DRASTIC was producing and began to interpret it for scientists and nonscientists alike in crisp explainers on Twitter that made her a star science communicator. Chan acknowledged the group's accomplishments in a long thread on Twitter. "Without the work done by the DRASTIC team, I don't really know where we would be today with the origins of covid-19," she wrote, adding, "The work of these outsiders...has had a measurable impact on the scientific discourse."
That scientific discourse jumped tracks on January 6, 2021, when the University of Washington virologist Jesse Bloom, one of the country's most respected COVID-19 researchers, became the first major scientific figure to publicly legitimize DRASTIC's contributions. "Yes, I follow the work," he tweeted, sending tremors through the scientific establishment. "I don't agree [with] all of it, but some parts seem important & correct." Bloom singled out Mona Rahalkar's paper on the Mojiang mine, then added that in the early days of the pandemic, "I thought lab escape very unlikely. Based on subsequent work, I now say quite plausible."
Other scientists pressured Bloom to reconsider, but he held his ground, and the wall of silence began to crumble. In May, 17 scientists from Harvard, Yale, MIT, Stanford, and other leading institutions, including Chan, joined Bloom in a letter in Science calling for a thorough investigation of the Wuhan lab.
On nearly the same day, The Seeker struck again. Visiting a database hosted by China's Ministry of Science and Technology, he searched for all theses supervised by Shi Zhengli. Boom. Three hits. "I got it on my first try," he says. "Not sure why no one else thought of this before, but I guess no one was looking."
If there had been any remaining doubt about the WIV's pattern of deception, these new theses put it to rest. They indicated that the WIV researchers had never believed a fungus had killed the Mojiang miners, contradicting Shi's remarks in Scientific American and elsewhere. In fact, WIV researchers had been so concerned about a new SARS-like outbreak that they'd tested the blood of neighboring villagers for other cases. And they had known the genetic sequences for the eight other SARS-like viruses from the mine—which could have helped researchers to understand more about SARS-CoV-2 in the early days —long before the pandemic started, and had kept the information to themselves, until DRASTIC called them out.
Within days of the new revelations and the Science letter, more academics, politicians and even the mainstream media began to take the lab-leak seriously, culminating on May 26 when President Biden ordered U.S. intelligence agencies "to redouble their efforts to collect and analyze information that could bring us closer to a definitive conclusion." Biden promised that "the United States will also keep working with like-minded partners around the world to press China to participate in a full, transparent, evidence-based international investigation and to provide access to all relevant data and evidence."
So far China has been ice-cool to the suggestion. It may never cooperate with an investigation. But it's now clear that the question of whether a biolab could have caused this pandemic—and could cause the next—is going to be explored in a way that might never have happened if a radical and decentralized group of outsiders hadn't challenged the status quo.
That's a lesson The Seeker won't soon forget. "I no longer see science as an exclusive domain," he wrote to Newsweek. "Everyone can make a difference."
Laat me raden: Chinezen!!! Maakt niet uit wat de vraag isquote:
Idd. Hoop circumstantial evidence, maar geen "smoking gun".quote:
Zo dat was lang en speculatief, maar goed, de laatste 3 alinea's vatten die 15 minuten lezen wel samen.
Misschien dit misschien dat.
Wat ik eruit haalde dat de bio wetenschap nou eenmaal naar dit soort virussen onderzoek doet en mee expirimenteert en dat dat, deze keer, op de een of ander manier fout is gegaan en de chinezen, zoals gewoonlijk nooit meewerken.
Maar zeker weten kunnen we het niet, staat er met heel veel woorden, want de chinezen werken niet mee.
Alles beziend is deze theorie m.i. net iets aannemelijker dan de dierenmarkt theorie, vanwege de activiteiten van China in het najaar. O.a. zeer harde censuur en het (dacht ik) oppakken van een arts in Wuhan die aan de bel trok. Het is China, maar waarom zouden ze dat bij een natuurlijk virus doen? Verklaring dat het ook een enorme coverup ging vanwege een ongeluk in het lab klinkt dan net iets logischer.
Waarom: "zoals gewoonlijk" werken de Chinezen niet mee? Alleen de USA en de vriendjes van de USA komen ineens met de "bewijzen" dat het in China ontstond. Ik denk dat je het eens moet onderzoeken, waarom de USA-bronnen allemaal alleen naar China wijzen. Hebben ze zelf niet iets te verbergen? Ik denk het wel.quote:
Zo dat was lang en speculatief, maar goed, de laatste 3 alinea's vatten die 15 minuten lezen wel samen.
Misschien dit misschien dat.
Wat ik eruit haalde dat de bio wetenschap nou eenmaal naar dit soort virussen onderzoek doet en mee expirimenteert en dat dat, deze keer, op de een of ander manier fout is gegaan en de chinezen, zoals gewoonlijk nooit meewerken.
Maar zeker weten kunnen we het niet, staat er met heel veel woorden, want de chinezen werken niet mee.
China kun je beter geloven! 1.3 miljard Chinezen, dan gaan ze echt niet liegen om die 300M amerikanen te redden hoor.quote:
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Idd. Hoop circumstantial evidence, maar geen "smoking gun".
Alles beziend is deze theorie m.i. net iets aannemelijker dan de dierenmarkt theorie, vanwege de activiteiten van China in het najaar. O.a. zeer harde censuur en het (dacht ik) oppakken van een arts in Wuhan die aan de bel trok. Het is China, maar waarom zouden ze dat bij een natuurlijk virus doen? Verklaring dat het ook een enorme coverup ging vanwege een ongeluk in het lab klinkt dan net iets logischer.
Ik snap sowieso niet waarom je dat soort landen gelooft!
Heb je het artikel gelezen? WIV werd o.a. gefinancierd door Amerikaanse investeerders.quote:
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Waarom: "zoals gewoonlijk" werken de Chinezen niet mee? Alleen de USA en de vriendjes van de USA komen ineens met de "bewijzen" dat het in China ontstond. Ik denk dat je het eens moet onderzoeken, waarom de USA-bronnen allemaal alleen naar China wijzen. Hebben ze zelf niet iets te verbergen? Ik denk het wel.
USA censureerde deze theorie een tijd lang als Trumpiaanse racist conspiracy.
Nee. Het is niet te lezen als een artikel, of überhaupt iets nuttigs.quote:
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Heb je het artikel gelezen? WIV werd o.a. gefinancierd door Amerikaanse investeerders.
USA censureerde deze theorie een tijd lang als Trumpiaanse racist conspiracy.
China zou niet liegen om het feit dat ze indirect miljoenen doden, een enorme economische crash en weet ik veel hoeveel nevenschade op haar rekening heeft?quote:
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China kun je beter geloven! 1.3 miljard Chinezen, dan gaan ze echt niet liegen om die 300M amerikanen te redden hoor.
Ik snap sowieso niet waarom je dat soort landen gelooft!
Dan zou je eerder verwachten dat ze volledige openheid en transparantie bieden om dit broodje aap de wereld uit te redden, toch?
Maar waarom ga je er dan wel van uit? Want China doet dat niet inderdaad.quote:
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China zou niet liegen om het feit dat ze indirect miljoenen doden, een enorme economische crash en weet ik veel hoeveel nevenschade op haar rekening heeft?
Dan zou je eerder verwachten dat ze volledige openheid en transparantie bieden om dit broodje aap de wereld uit te redden, toch?
"The unusual features of the virus make up a really small part of the genome (<0.1%) so one has to look really close at all the sequences to see that some of the features (potentially) look engineerd."
"I should mention that after discussions earlier today, Eddie, Bob, Mike, and myself all find the genome inconsistent with expectations from evolutionary theory."
[ Bericht 34% gewijzigd door Sjemmert op 04-06-2021 15:43:39 ]
Maar toevallig zijn de 2 klokkenluiders er wel aan gestorven :’)
Heb nooit in dat toeval geloofd. Volgens mij kregen die euthanasie en aangezien men de lijken onmiddellijk verbrande was een onderzoek ook niet mogelijk.
Kan zijn, maar 1) destijds wisten we veel minder over de behandeling en 2) het is ook mogelijk dat de originele variant in Wuhan veel sterker was en de afgezwakte variant de rest van de wereld overging. Een sterk vrius wat de host snel doodt kan zich immers minder goed verspreiden dan een zwakkere.quote:
Wat ik sterk vind. De kans om te sterven is 1%. Dus bijzonder klein!
Maar toevallig zijn de 2 klokkenluiders er wel aan gestorven :’)
Heb nooit in dat toeval geloofd. Volgens mij kregen die euthanasie en aangezien men de lijken onmiddellijk verbrande was een onderzoek ook niet mogelijk.
De macht in de USA lag bij Trump in die periode dus je claimt dat Trump zichzelf censureerde.quote:
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Heb je het artikel gelezen? WIV werd o.a. gefinancierd door Amerikaanse investeerders.
USA censureerde deze theorie een tijd lang als Trumpiaanse racist conspiracy.
Dit is nu BNW territorium. Het kan ook zo zijn dat het een Russisch virus is wat in Wuhan losgelaten is om de Chinezen in een kwaad daglicht te stellen. Daar is net zo veel bewijs voor.quote:
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Kan zijn, maar 1) destijds wisten we veel minder over de behandeling en 2) het is ook mogelijk dat de originele variant in Wuhan veel sterker was en de afgezwakte variant de rest van de wereld overging. Een sterk vrius wat de host snel doodt kan zich immers minder goed verspreiden dan een zwakkere.
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De macht in de USA lag bij Trump in die periode dus je claimt dat Trump zichzelf censureerde.
China liegt aan de Lopende band.quote:
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China kun je beter geloven! 1.3 miljard Chinezen, dan gaan ze echt niet liegen om die 300M amerikanen te redden hoor.
Ik snap sowieso niet waarom je dat soort landen gelooft!
En nu China gaan geloven? 😅
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De onlangs gepubliceerde Fauci emails bevatten ook hints dat het virus geëngineerd zou kunnen zijn.
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"The unusual features of the virus make up a really small part of the genome (<0.1%) so one has to look really close at all the sequences to see that some of the features (potentially) look engineerd."
"I should mention that after discussions earlier today, Eddie, Bob, Mike, and myself all find the genome inconsistent with expectations from evolutionary theory."
Wmb prima, we zullen het over een paar maanden wel zien wat er waar van is.quote:
Prima dat men het verder in de BNW hoek zoekt maar dan verplaats ik dit topic dan ook naar BNW.
Ik zou sowieso van het subforum gewoon een livefeed van NOS.nl makenquote:
Prima dat men het verder in de BNW hoek zoekt maar dan verplaats ik dit topic dan ook naar BNW.
Godsamme, het is weer zover.quote:
Prima dat men het verder in de BNW hoek zoekt maar dan verplaats ik dit topic dan ook naar BNW.
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Prima dat men het verder in de BNW hoek zoekt maar dan verplaats ik dit topic dan ook naar BNW.
Pareltje weerquote:
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Ja die is er, met heel toevallig jou als TS.
NWS / Chinese labmedewerkers hadden coronaklachten voor uitbraak
Gewoon van Newsweek
quote:Newsweek
Exclusive: How Amateur Sleuths Broke the Wuhan Lab Story and Embarrassed the Media
For most of last year, the idea that the coronavirus pandemic could have been triggered by a laboratory accident in Wuhan, China, was largely dismissed as a racist conspiracy theory of the alt-right. The Washington Post in early 2020 accused Senator Tom Cotton of "fanning the embers of a conspiracy theory that has been repeatedly debunked by experts." CNN jumped in with "How to debunk coronavirus conspiracy theories and misinformation from friends and family." Most other mainstream outlets, from The New York Times ("fringe theory") to NPR ("Scientists debunk lab accident theory"), were equally dismissive. (Newsweek was an exception, reporting in April 2020 that the WIV was involved in gain-of-function research and might have been the site of a lab leak; Mother Jones, Business Insider, the NY Post and FOX News were also exceptions.) But in the last week or so, the story has burst into the public discourse. President Joe Biden has demanded an investigation by U.S. intelligence. And the mainstream media, in an astonishing about-face, is treating the possibility with deadly seriousness.
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For most of last year, the idea that the coronavirus pandemic could have been triggered by a laboratory accident in Wuhan, China, was largely dismissed as a racist conspiracy theory of the alt-right. The Washington Post in early 2020 accused Senator Tom Cotton of "fanning the embers of a conspiracy theory that has been repeatedly debunked by experts." CNN jumped in with "How to debunk coronavirus conspiracy theories and misinformation from friends and family." Most other mainstream outlets, from The New York Times ("fringe theory") to NPR ("Scientists debunk lab accident theory"), were equally dismissive. (Newsweek was an exception, reporting in April 2020 that the WIV was involved in gain-of-function research and might have been the site of a lab leak; Mother Jones, Business Insider, the NY Post and FOX News were also exceptions.) But in the last week or so, the story has burst into the public discourse. President Joe Biden has demanded an investigation by U.S. intelligence. And the mainstream media, in an astonishing about-face, is treating the possibility with deadly seriousness.
The reason for the sudden shift in attitudes is clear: over the weeks and months of the pandemic, the pileup of circumstantial evidence pointing to the Wuhan lab kept growing—until it became too substantial to ignore.
The people responsible for uncovering this evidence are not journalists or spies or scientists. They are a group of amateur sleuths, with few resources except curiosity and a willingness to spend days combing the internet for clues. Throughout the pandemic, about two dozen or so correspondents, many anonymous, working independently from many different countries, have uncovered obscure documents, pieced together the information, and explained it all in long threads on Twitter—in a kind of open-source, collective brainstorming session that was part forensic science, part citizen journalism, and entirely new. They call themselves DRASTIC, for Decentralized Radical Autonomous Search Team Investigating COVID-19.
For a long time, DRASTIC's discoveries stayed confined to the strange world of Twitter, known only to a few nerdy followers. The sleuths ran into a fair number of dead ends, got into the occasional spat with scientists who disagreed with their interpretations, and produced a firehose of reporting. Gradually, the quality of their research and the rigor of their thinking drew a larger following, including many professional scientists and journalists.
Thanks to DRASTIC, we now know that the Wuhan Institute of Virology had an extensive collection of coronaviruses gathered over many years of foraging in the bat caves, and that many of them—including the closest known relative to the pandemic virus, SARS-CoV-2—came from a mineshaft where three men died from a suspected SARS-like disease in 2012. We know that the WIV was actively working with these viruses, using inadequate safety protocols, in ways that could have triggered the pandemic, and that the lab and Chinese authorities have gone to great lengths to conceal these activities. We know that the first cases appeared weeks before the outbreak at the Huanan wet market that was once thought to be ground zero.
None of this proves that the pandemic started in the Wuhan lab, of course: it's entirely possible that it did not. But the evidence assembled by DRASTIC amounts to what prosecutors call probable cause—a strong, evidence-based case for a full investigation. It's not clear that the best efforts of the U.S. and other nations to investigate the lab-leak hypothesis will ever turn up unequivocal evidence one way or another, at least without the full cooperation of China, which is unlikely.
But if they do, this small, motley group of amateur sleuths will have broken what may be the biggest story of the 21st century.
This is how they did it.
Strange coincidences
The young Indian man who calls himself The Seeker is in his late-20s, lives somewhere in eastern India, and uses a piece of tribal art from his home region of West Bengal for his Twitter logo, he said via email. His career has been a melange of architecture, painting, and filmmaking—a khichdi, his mother and sister call it, meaning a stew of disparate ingredients that adds up to something surprising and delightful. A voracious autodidact, he'd become an expert at searching the back alleys of the web, far beyond the well-lit places patrolled by Google, for information on whatever topic interested him. He often posted on Reddit, where he had accumulated a massive 750,000 karma points. That's all The Seeker revealed to Newsweek through email and messaging; he maintains his anonymity.
Like most people following the news back when the pandemic started, The Seeker initially believed that the virus had jumped from wild animals to humans at a Wuhan wet market. (On March 27 he tweeted, "Nobody wants to see their parents or grandma and grandpa die over a stupid virus from an exotic animal market.") He believed this because that's what the mainstream press told him, and the mainstream press believed it because that is what a handful of scientists had said.
Chief among these scientists was a biologist named Peter Daszak, president of EcoHealth Alliance, a non-profit research group that ran a large international program to survey natural pathogens with the potential to cause a pandemic. Daszak had been collaborating for years with Shi Zhengli, the director of the Wuhan Institute of Virology and a renowned bat virologist. Daszak co-authored nearly a dozen papers with Shi and funneled at least $600,000 of U.S. government grants her way.
When the pandemic happened to break out on the doorstep of the lab with the largest collection of coronaviruses in the world, fueling speculation that the WIV might be involved, Daszak and 26 other scientists signed a letter that appeared in The Lancet on February 19, 2020. "We stand together to strongly condemn conspiracy theories suggesting that COVID-19 does not have a natural origin," it stated.
We now know, thanks to a Freedom of Information Act request, that Daszak orchestrated the letter to squelch talk of a lab leak. He drafted it, reached out to fellow scientists to sign it, and worked behind the scenes to make it seem that the letter represented the views of a broad range of scientists. "This statement will not have the EcoHealth Alliance logo on it and will not be identifiable as coming from any one organization or person," he wrote in his pitch to the co-signatories. Scientists whose work had overlapped with the WIV agreed not to sign it so they could "put it out in a way that doesn't link it back to our collaboration."
At the time, however, there was no hint of Daszak's organizing role. The letter helped make Daszak a ubiquitous presence in the media, where he called a lab-leak "preposterous," "baseless," and "pure baloney." He also attacked scientists who published evidence pointing to the lab. Part of the reason the lab theory made no sense, he argued, was because the Wuhan lab wasn't culturing any viruses remotely similar to SARS-CoV-2. (Daszak has not responded to Newsweek's request for comment.)
For a long time, Daszak was astonishingly influential. Few in the media questioned him or pointed out that his career and organization would be deeply damaged if it turned out his work had indirectly played a role in the pandemic. His unwitting accomplice was Donald Trump, who embraced the theory, turning what should have been a scientific question into a political one.
When the Trump administration canceled EcoHealth Alliance contracts that would have spent millions on new virus research, 60 Minutes ran a segment that painted Daszak as a martyr to the right-wing conspiracy machine. For right-thinking people everywhere, it seemed like an easy call: The enemy of my enemy is my friend: thus, the lab-leak theory is bunk.
A Whiff of Censorship
By early 2020, The Seeker was beginning to question that viewpoint. He had begun to interact with people who were poking holes in the conventional wisdom.
One important piece was an extensive Medium post by the Canadian longevity entrepreneur Yuri Deigin that discussed RaTG13, a virus Shi Zhengli had revealed to the world in a February 3 paper in the journal Nature. In that paper, Shi presented the first extensive analysis of SARS-CoV-2, which had seemed to come from nowhere—the virus was unlike any that had been seen before, including the first SARS, which had killed 774 people from 2002 to 2004. In her paper, however, Shi also introduced RaTG13, a virus that is similar in genetic makeup to SARS-CoV-2, making it the only known close relative at the time.
The paper was vague about where RaTG13 had come from. It didn't say exactly where or when RaTG13 had been found, just that it had previously been detected in a bat in Yunnan Province, in southern China.
The paper aroused Deigin's suspicions. He wondered if SARS-CoV-2 might have emerged through some genetic mixing and matching from a lab working with RaTG13 or related viruses. His post was cogent and comprehensive. The Seeker posted Deigin's theory on Reddit, which promptly suspended his account permanently.
That early whiff of censorship piqued Seeker's curiosity, so he read more of the Twitter group's ideas. "I found a lively group of people eager to debate and explore the topic," he told Newsweek by email.
It was an eclectic group. There were entrepreneurs, engineers, and a microbiologist from the University of Innsbruck named Rossana Segreto. None of them had known each other in advance; they gravitated to the forum after independently concluding that the conventional wisdom of the origins of COVID-19 didn't make sense. Conversations were kept on track by a wisecracking coordinator living somewhere in Asia who went by the pseudonym Billy Bostickson, and whose Twitter icon was a cartoon of a beat-up lab monkey.
The Seeker fit right in. "They helped me catch up on the debate, and I started to educate myself," he says. "Before I knew it, I got hooked into the mystery." He was driven in part by curiosity, but also by a growing sense of civic duty. "COVID has taken the lives of countless people and devastated so many others. But it has also left so many clues that haven't been followed up. Humanity deserves answers."
The Seeker and the rest of the group became increasingly convinced that RaTG13 might hold the key to some of those answers. In a crackling thread, half a dozen participants hashed out its mysteries, combing the internet and the WIV's previous papers for clues.
If there is a moment when the DRASTIC team coalesced into something more than its disparate parts, it would be this thread. In real time, for all the world to see, they worked through the data, tested various hypotheses, corrected each other, and scored some direct hits.
The key facts quickly came together. The genetic sequence for RaTG13 perfectly matched a small piece of genetic code posted as part of a paper written by Shi Zhengli years earlier, but never mentioned again. The code came from a virus the WIV had found in a Yunnan bat. Connecting key details in the two papers with old news stories, the DRASTIC team determined that RaTG13 had come from a mineshaft in Mojiang County, in Yunnan Province, where six men shoveling bat guano in 2012 had developed pneumonia. Three of them died. DRASTIC wondered if that event marked the first cases of human beings being infected with a precursor of SARS-CoV-2—perhaps RaTG13 or something like it.
In a profile in Scientific American, Shi Zhengli acknowledged working in a mineshaft in Mojiang County where miners had died. But she avoided connecting it to RaTG13 (an omission she had made in her scientific papers as well), claiming that a fungus in the cave had killed the miners.
That explanation didn't sit well with the DRASTIC group. They suspected a SARS-like virus, not a fungus, had killed the miners and that, for whatever reason, the WIV was trying to hide that fact. It was a hunch, and they had no way of proving it.
At this point, The Seeker revealed his research powers to the group. In his online explorations, he'd recently discovered a massive Chinese database of academic journals and theses called CNKI. Now he wondered if somewhere in its vast circuitry might be information on the sickened miners.
Working through the night at his bedside table on phone and laptop, fueled by chai and using Chinese characters with the help of Google Translate, he plugged in "Mojiang"—the county where the mine was located—in combination with every other word he could think of that might be relevant, instantly translating each new flush of results back to English. "Mojiang + pneumonia"; "Mojiang + WIV"; "Mojiang + bats"; "Mojiang + SARS." Each search brought back thousands of results and half a dozen different databases for journals, books, newspapers, master's theses, doctoral dissertations. He combed through these results, night after night, but never found anything useful. When he ran out of energy, he broke for arcade games and more chai.
He was on the verge of calling it quits, he says, when he struck gold: a 60-page master's thesis written by a student at Kunming Medical University in 2013 titled "The Analysis of 6 Patients with Severe Pneumonia Caused by Unknown Viruses." In exhaustive detail, it described the conditions and step-by-step treatment of the miners. It named the suspected culprit: "Caused by SARS-like [coronavirus] from the Chinese horseshoe bat or other bats."
The Seeker dropped the link, without fanfare, on May 18, 2020, then followed up with a second thesis from a PhD student at the Chinese CDC confirming much of the information in the first. Four of the miners had tested positive for antibodies from a SARS-like infection. And the WIV had been looped in to test samples from them all. (Shortly after The Seeker posted the theses, China changed the access controls on CNKI so no one could do such a search again.)
If a SARS-like virus had emerged in 2012, had been covered up, and the WIV had been sending people back to the mine to forage for more samples and bringing them back to Wuhan, that should have been front-page news the next day. Instead, not a single story appeared for weeks. A few stories appeared in the UK, including a feature in the Sunday Times. The U.S. media took a pass.
"I was definitely expecting it to blow up all over the news," The Seeker admits. "The general lack of interest in facts or reason surprised me. And it still perplexes me that even with all their resources, the corporate investigative media is lagging terribly."
Within days, DRASTIC managed to locate the coordinates of the mysterious Mojiang mine, but it would not catch the attention of the media until late 2020, when a race to get there began. The first attempt was by the BBC's John Sudworth, who found his path blocked by trucks and guards. (Sudworth would soon be forced to leave China because of his reporting.) The AP tried around the same time, with no better luck. Later, teams from NBC, CBS, Today, and other outlets also found their way blocked by trucks, trees, and angry men. Some were told that it was dangerous to proceed because of wild elephants. Eventually, a Wall Street Journal reporter reached the entrance to the mine by mountain bike—only to be detained for five hours of questioning. The mine's secrets remain.
A Huge Sudoku Puzzle
Although the Moijang mine revelation in May 2020 got nowhere in the media, it attracted new members to DRASTIC, which was able to expand its intelligence gathering to cover everything from viral genetics to biolab safety protocols. On May 21, 2020, Billy Bostickson dubbed the group "DRASTIC Research." He also began organizing the team into subgroups to focus on different aspects of the case. Soon, they were regularly posting discoveries that made lab involvement seem more likely.
A key team member was Francisco de Asis de Ribera, a Madrid data scientist who excels at mining big data sets. Over the years, the WIV had published a huge amount of information about its virus-hunting projects in different outlets and formats. Ribera began assembling it all into "a huge Sudoku puzzle," searching for places where he could fill in some of the blanks, slowly assembling a comprehensive map of the WIV's entire virus program. He and The Seeker made a formidable team, The Seeker unearthing new pieces of the puzzle and Ribera fitting them into place. ("I have always seen myself and Francisco as playing Detective McNulty and Detective Freamon from The Wire," The Seeker joked to Newsweek in one message.)
Ribera was responsible for solving another piece of the RaTG13 puzzle. Had the WIV been actively working on RaTG13 during the seven years since they discovered it? Peter Daszak said no: they had never used the virus because it wasn't similar enough to the original SARS. "We thought it's interesting, but not high-risk," he told Wired. "So we didn't do anything about it and put it in the freezer."
a man wearing a blue hat: Chinese virologist Shi Zhengli is seen inside the P4 laboratory in Wuhan, capital of China's Hubei province, on February 23, 2017. - The P4 epidemiological laboratory was built in co-operation with French bio-industrial firm Institut Merieux and the Chinese Academy of Sciences. JOHANNES EISELE/AFP/Getty© JOHANNES EISELE/AFP/Getty Chinese virologist Shi Zhengli is seen inside the P4 laboratory in Wuhan, capital of China's Hubei province, on February 23, 2017. - The P4 epidemiological laboratory was built in co-operation with French bio-industrial firm Institut Merieux and the Chinese Academy of Sciences. JOHANNES EISELE/AFP/Getty
Ribera disproved that account. When a new science paper on genetics is published, the authors must upload the accompanying genetic sequences to an international database. By examining some metadata tags that had been accidentally uploaded by the WIV along with its genetic sequences for RaTG13, Ribera discovered that scientists at the lab had indeed been actively studying the virus in 2017 and 2018—they hadn't stuck it in a freezer and forgotten about it, after all.
In fact, the WIV had been intensely interested in RaTG13 and everything else that had come from the Mojiang mineshaft. From his giant Sudoku puzzle, Ribera determined that they made at least seven different trips to the mine, over many years, collecting thousands of samples. Ribera's guess is that their technology had not been good enough in 2012 and 2013 to find the virus that had killed the miners, so they kept going back as the techniques improved.
He also made a bold prediction. Cross-referencing snippets of information from multiple sources, Ribera guessed, in a Twitter thread dated August 1, 2020, that a cluster of eight SARS-related viruses mentioned briefly in an obscure section of one WIV paper had actually also come from the Mojiang mine. In other words, they hadn't found one relative of SARS-CoV-2 in that mineshaft; they'd found nine. In November 2020, Shi Zhengli confirmed many of DRASTIC's suspicions about the Mojiang cave in an addendum to her original paper on RaTG13 and in a talk in February 2021.
Of course, the only reason Ribera has had to perform such Sherlockian feats is because the WIV has not shared the data investigators have asked for. The WIV maintained a database on its website with all the data on the viruses in its collection, including the many unpublished ones, but that page on its website has been empty for some time. When asked about the missing database in January 2021, Shi Zhengli explained that it had been taken offline during the pandemic because the WIV web server had become the focus of online attacks. But once again, DRASTIC poked holes in this explanation: the database was taken down on September 12, 2019, shortly before the start of the pandemic, and well before the WIV would have become a target.
Other databases yielded other clues. In the WIV's grant applications and awards, The Seeker found detailed descriptions of the Institute's research plans, and they were damning: Projects were underway to test the infectivity of novel SARS-like viruses they'd discovered in human cells and in lab animals, to see how they might mutate as they crossed species, and to genetically recombine pieces of different viruses—all being done at woefully inadequate biosecurity levels. All the elements for a disaster were on hand.
Of course, that is not proof that a disaster took place. Barring unlikely eyewitness testimony, we may never have that. But all the evidence DRASTIC has produced points in the same direction: The Wuhan Institute of Virology had spent years collecting dangerous coronaviruses, some of which it has never revealed to the world. It was actively testing these viruses to determine their ability to infect people, as well as what mutations might be necessary to enhance that ability—likely with the ultimate goal of producing a vaccine that would protect against all of them. And the ongoing effort to cover this up implies that something may have gone wrong.
Going Mainstream
By early 2021, DRASTIC had produced so much information that no one could keep up, not even its own researchers, so they launched their own website as a repository. The site contains enough science papers, Twitter threads, translations of Chinese documents and links to articles to keep a curious gumshoe busy for months.
Increasingly, those gumshoes are professional journalists and scientists. "Rossana Segreto and Yuri Deigin are my heroes," says the writer Nicholson Baker, who published an influential feature on the lab-leak theory in New York magazine. "They combed through the research and made inspired connections and uncovered crucial pieces of the story that needed to be told. Same goes for Mona Rahalkar and Billy Bostickson. Crowd-sourced scientific muckraking."
The UK journalist Ian Birrell concurs. "There is no doubt their collective efforts...have been crucial in challenging both China and the scientific establishment to ensure the lab leak theory is properly investigated," he wrote in Unherd. "It has been fascinating to see, in the course of my investigations over the past year, how this group of activists—in tandem with a few brave scientists—has forced the lab leak hypothesis from the shadows."
One of those scientists was Alina Chan, a molecular biologist at the Broad Institute of MIT and Harvard who recognized the value of the information DRASTIC was producing and began to interpret it for scientists and nonscientists alike in crisp explainers on Twitter that made her a star science communicator. Chan acknowledged the group's accomplishments in a long thread on Twitter. "Without the work done by the DRASTIC team, I don't really know where we would be today with the origins of covid-19," she wrote, adding, "The work of these outsiders...has had a measurable impact on the scientific discourse."
That scientific discourse jumped tracks on January 6, 2021, when the University of Washington virologist Jesse Bloom, one of the country's most respected COVID-19 researchers, became the first major scientific figure to publicly legitimize DRASTIC's contributions. "Yes, I follow the work," he tweeted, sending tremors through the scientific establishment. "I don't agree [with] all of it, but some parts seem important & correct." Bloom singled out Mona Rahalkar's paper on the Mojiang mine, then added that in the early days of the pandemic, "I thought lab escape very unlikely. Based on subsequent work, I now say quite plausible."
Other scientists pressured Bloom to reconsider, but he held his ground, and the wall of silence began to crumble. In May, 17 scientists from Harvard, Yale, MIT, Stanford, and other leading institutions, including Chan, joined Bloom in a letter in Science calling for a thorough investigation of the Wuhan lab.
On nearly the same day, The Seeker struck again. Visiting a database hosted by China's Ministry of Science and Technology, he searched for all theses supervised by Shi Zhengli. Boom. Three hits. "I got it on my first try," he says. "Not sure why no one else thought of this before, but I guess no one was looking."
If there had been any remaining doubt about the WIV's pattern of deception, these new theses put it to rest. They indicated that the WIV researchers had never believed a fungus had killed the Mojiang miners, contradicting Shi's remarks in Scientific American and elsewhere. In fact, WIV researchers had been so concerned about a new SARS-like outbreak that they'd tested the blood of neighboring villagers for other cases. And they had known the genetic sequences for the eight other SARS-like viruses from the mine—which could have helped researchers to understand more about SARS-CoV-2 in the early days —long before the pandemic started, and had kept the information to themselves, until DRASTIC called them out.
Within days of the new revelations and the Science letter, more academics, politicians and even the mainstream media began to take the lab-leak seriously, culminating on May 26 when President Biden ordered U.S. intelligence agencies "to redouble their efforts to collect and analyze information that could bring us closer to a definitive conclusion." Biden promised that "the United States will also keep working with like-minded partners around the world to press China to participate in a full, transparent, evidence-based international investigation and to provide access to all relevant data and evidence."
So far China has been ice-cool to the suggestion. It may never cooperate with an investigation. But it's now clear that the question of whether a biolab could have caused this pandemic—and could cause the next—is going to be explored in a way that might never have happened if a radical and decentralized group of outsiders hadn't challenged the status quo.
That's a lesson The Seeker won't soon forget. "I no longer see science as an exclusive domain," he wrote to Newsweek. "Everyone can make a difference."
In an exclusive story at RedState, Jen Van Laar reports that sources inside the intelligence community say a high-ranking defector from China has been working for months with the U.S. Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA). According to Van Laar’s confidential sources, that high-ranking defector claims to have knowledge of special weapons programs in China—that include bioweapons.
Adam Housley first reported via Twitter on Thursday that “the increased pressure on China in recent days is due to a defector with intimate knowledge” of the program. According to Housley, FBI director Christopher Wray “didn’t know right away because they wanted to make sure they got all they needed before telling him.”
In fact, Wray was “ambushed” with the information, according to Van Laar’s sources, as was the CIA. “Sources say DIA leadership kept the defector within their Clandestine Services network to prevent Langley and the State Department from accessing the person, whose existence was kept from other agencies because DIA leadership believes there are Chinese spies or sources inside the FBI, CIA, and several other federal agencies,” according to the report.
Why was the defector so important that he had to be kept under wraps?
Housley says it’s because the defector has information on the origins of the Wuhan virus: “China is trying to produce variants that suggest it came from bats to cover up that coronavirus originally came from a lab.” He later clarified: “US intelligence has a Chinese defector with Wuhan info. AND China is trying to produce variants that suggest it came from bats to cover up that coronavirus originally came from a lab.”
According to RedState’s sources, “the defector has been with the DIA for three months” and has provided “an extensive, technically detailed debrief to US officials.”
“In DIA’s assessment, the information provided by the defector is legitimate,” wrote Van Laar. “Sources say the level of confidence in the defector’s information is what has led to a sudden crisis of confidence in Dr. Anthony Fauci, adding that U.S. Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases (USAMRIID) personnel detailed to DIA have corroborated very technical details of information provided by the defector.”
All of this raises many questions. Why, “suddenly,” did the U.S. legacy media en masse turn-tail and start pointing fingers at China and doubting Fauci? Why did left-wing outlets like the Washington Post and BuzzFeed “suddenly” decide it was the right time to drop Fauci’s emails—just days after the lab-leak story was “suddenly” no longer verboten on social media? Fauci’s emails revealed what we’ve been reporting here at PJ Media for months (mostly behind the paywall for our VIP subscribers to avoid the Gestapo social-media censors): that Fauci was working with a Chinese scientist from the Wuhan lab; that he asked Bill Gates and Mark Zuckerberg to help with COVID messaging; and that he signed off on funding for dangerous gain-of-function research in Wuhan.
One gets the sense that a dam the size of Three Gorges on the Yangtze River is about to blow. The question will be, as it almost is when political figures are caught in a coverup: What did they know and when did they know it? And who knew what was really going on?
If any of this turns out to be true—particularly the suggestion that China may have intentionally unleashed the most deadly bioweapon in world history—you might want to begin thinking about where you’re going to spend the U.S.-Sino War. If, as Housley claims, the FBI, CIA, and other federal agencies are swarming with Chinese spies, it would constitute the biggest national security failure in U.S. history—and the most deadly.
The implications are terrifying.
https://pjmedia.com/colum(...)ts-very-bad-n1452251
EcoHealth Alliance President Peter Daszak – who collaborated with the Wuhan Institute of Virology on research funded by Dr. Anthony Fauci’s National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease – appears to boast about the manipulation of “killer” SARS-like coronaviruses carried out by his “colleagues in China” in a clip unearthed by The National Pulse.
Daszak made the admission at a 2016 forum discussing “emerging infectious diseases and the next pandemic,” which appears to be at odds with Fauci’s repeated denial of funding gain-of-function research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology.
While describing how his organization sequences deadly viruses, Daszak describes the process of “insert[ing] spike proteins” into viruses to see if they can “bind to human cells” as being carried out by his “colleagues in China”:
“Then when you get a sequence of a virus, and it looks like a relative of a known nasty pathogen, just like we did with SARS. We found other coronaviruses in bats, a whole host of them, some of them looked very similar to SARS. So we sequenced the spike protein: the protein that attaches to cells. Then we… Well I didn’t do this work, but my colleagues in China did the work. You create pseudo particles, you insert the spike proteins from those viruses, see if they bind to human cells. At each step of this you move closer and closer to this virus could really become pathogenic in people.
“You end up with a small number of viruses that really do look like killers,” he adds.
Video: https://thenationalpulse.(...)ating-coronaviruses/
The comments follow growing evidence that Fauci’s NIAID has deep financial and personnel ties to the Wuhan Institute of Virology – and that Daszak’s EcoHealth alliance was one of the primary proxies funneling the money to the Chinese Communist Party lab.
Over a dozen research papers carried out under a $3.7 million National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease (NIAID) grant list the Wuhan Lab’s Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases Director Shi Zhengli as a co-author alongside Daszak. Shi has included these Fauci-backed grants on her resume.
The Wuhan lab has also listed the National Institutes of Health (NIH) as one of its “partners,” secretly erasing the mention in March 2021.
https://thenationalpulse.(...)ating-coronaviruses/
Rep. Guy Reschenthaler (R-PA) told Breitbart News this weekend that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi would rather investigate President Donald Trump again than focus on the actual origins of the Chinese coronavirus and U.S. tax dollars that went to the Wuhan Institute of Virology from which intelligence officials increasingly believe the virus leaked.
Appearing on Breitbart News Saturday on SiriusXM 125 the Patriot Channel, Reschenthaler discussed his efforts to investigate tax dollars that flowed through a New York firm to the Wuhan lab. He said that Pelosi and House Democrats are not interested in holding the Chinese Communist Party accountable and, instead, want to focus their oversight efforts on politically harming President Trump again just like they tried and failed with the partisan impeachment last year and earlier this year.
“We should have an investigative body looking at these grants, but Nancy Pelosi is not going to do that,” Reschenthaler said. “So you have myself and House Republicans. I can tell you I’m going to continue to look into these grants. I’m going to continue to look into the Department of Homeland Security as well to see what grants are going from there to China. I’m also looking at defunding the World Health Organization and we can talk about that as well. But the bottom line of the Democrats’ behavior is this: They hate this president so badly that they would rather side with the Chinese Communist Party than defend Americans and defend our spending and spend wisely and just be honest. That is their hatred for President Trump and disdain for President Trump’s supporters.”
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https://www.bndestem.nl/b(...)-instituut~ad1cbea5/
En dan te bedenken dat een paar maanden terug ook maar de suggestie werd verwijderd van Facebook...
Staat nu gewoon op het AD?quote:
Prima dat men het verder in de BNW hoek zoekt maar dan verplaats ik dit topic dan ook naar BNW.
Niet Chinezen, maar het totalitaire communistische regime daar.quote:
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Laat me raden: Chinezen!!! Maakt niet uit wat de vraag is
Hij had ook bakken met bewijs dat de op grote schaal bij de verkiezingen was gefraudeerd.quote:
Zeggen dat je bewijs hebt, en daad werkelijk iets aan kunnen tonen is nogal een verschil.
Klopt wel, zo zeiden ze ook jaren dat ze bewijs hadden dat Trump zou hebben samengezweerd met de Russen om de verkiezingen te winnen.quote:
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Hij had ook bakken met bewijs dat de op grote schaal bij de verkiezingen was gefraudeerd.
Zeggen dat je bewijs hebt, en daad werkelijk iets aan kunnen tonen is nogal een verschil.
Ah sorry ik heb me vergist.quote:
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Klopt wel, zo zeiden ze ook jaren dat ze bewijs hadden dat Trump zou hebben samengezweerd met de Russen om de verkiezingen te winnen.
Orange man zit nog in het witte huis en heeft alle rechtszaken gewonnen..
my bad!
Zelfs in Gutmenschland begint men het te snappen.
“Pandemics are like terrorist attacks: We know roughly where they originate and what’s responsible for them, but we don’t know exactly when the next one will happen. They need to be handled the same way — by identifying all possible sources and dismantling those before the next pandemic strikes.”
This statement was written in the New York Times earlier this year by Peter Daszak. Daszak is the longtime president of the EcoHealth Alliance, a New York-based non-profit whose claimed focus is pandemic prevention. But the EcoHealth Alliance, it turns out, is at the very centre of the COVID-19 pandemic in many ways.
To depict the pandemic in such militarized terms is, for Daszak, a commonplace. In an Oct. 7 online talk organized by Columbia University’s School of International and Public Affairs, Daszak presented a slide titled “Donald Rumsfeld’s Prescient Speech.”:
“There are known knowns; there are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns; that is to say, there are things that we know we don’t know. But there are also unknown unknowns — there are things we don’t know we don’t know.” (This Rumsfeld quote is in fact from a news conference)
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Maar hoe ze dan komen bij genen van een Pangolin (een soort gordeldiertje) in die corona, dat weet ik ook niet.
Ik vind het ook minder belangrijk om te praten over waar corona vandaan komt dan het zoeken naar een oplossing.
Waren er genen van een pangolin in het virus? Dacht dat de pangolin alleen de vermoedelijke intermediate host was?quote:
De meest aannemelijke theorie die ik heb gezien, is een onderzoekster van dat lab in Wuhan die naar Zuid China is gereisd om onderzoek te doen naar vleermuizen in een grot daar, en zij was dus patient zero die corona terug heeft gebracht naar Wuhan.
Maar hoe ze dan komen bij genen van een Pangolin (een soort gordeldiertje) in die corona, dat weet ik ook niet.
Ik vind het ook minder belangrijk om te praten over waar corona vandaan komt dan het zoeken naar een oplossing.
Ligt er aan hoe je er verder over wil praten...quote:Op maandag 14 juni 2021 21:26 schreef Tlaloc het volgende:
Toch weer verplaatsen naar COR?
En dan te bedenken dat een paar maanden terug ook maar de suggestie werd verwijderd van Facebook...
1 - Fuck-up in lab die Chinezen stilhouden -> COR
2- Bio warfare -> BNW
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Ligt er aan hoe je er verder over wil praten...
1 - Fuck-up in lab die Chinezen stilhouden -> COR
2- Bio warfare -> BNW
Vrijwel alle artikelen en reacties die hier gepost zijn gaan uit van een fuck up. Toch staat dit topic alweer een tijdje in BNW.
Ik vel dan ook geen oordeel over het topic...quote:
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Vrijwel alle artikelen en reacties die hier gepost zijn gaan uit van een fuck up. Toch staat dit topic alweer een tijdje in BNW.
Het hele topic gaat bijna alleen maar om het eerste hè, en ook dat werd gecensureerd op Facebook.quote:
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Ligt er aan hoe je er verder over wil praten...
1 - Fuck-up in lab die Chinezen stilhouden -> COR
2- Bio warfare -> BNW
Dat weet toch iedereen?
Ok, BNW is een subforum voor zaken die zo zouden kunnen zijn maar (nog) niet te bewijzen zijn.quote:
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Het hele topic gaat bijna alleen maar om het eerste hè, en ook dat werd gecensureerd op Facebook.
COR is een forum waar een andere bewijslast gehanteerd wordt. Er is tot op heden geen greintje bewijs geleverd dat covid-19 in een lab gemaakt is. Op zijn best zijn er zaken die mischien verdacht zijn maar geen bewijs vormen, verre van zelfs.
Het besluit om het topic te verhuizen is genomen nadat er door mods meermaals gevraagd is om feiten, om on topic te blijven en onderbouwing te leveren. Waarop gereageerd werd met conspiracy verhalen die al weken debunked zijn. Gezien het verdere verloop van dit topic zie ik geen enkele reden om dit terug te plaatsen in COR.
Mocht er ooit bewijs geproduceerd worden voor de claims dat het in China in een lab gemaakt is dan mag je dat uiteraard in COR komen melden met een nieuw topic.
Verder interesseert het mij geen bal wat er op Facebook wel of niet mag, op FOK! mag dit topic gewoon alleen wel op de juiste plek hiervoor en dat is, naar onze mening, BNW.
In dit artikel wordt uitgebreid verwezen naar bewijsstukken.quote:
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Ok, BNW is een subforum voor zaken die zo zouden kunnen zijn maar (nog) niet te bewijzen zijn.
COR is een forum waar een andere bewijslast gehanteerd wordt. Er is tot op heden geen greintje bewijs geleverd dat covid-19 in een lab gemaakt is. Op zijn best zijn er zaken die mischien verdacht zijn maar geen bewijs vormen, verre van zelfs.
Het besluit om het topic te verhuizen is genomen nadat er door mods meermaals gevraagd is om feiten, om on topic te blijven en onderbouwing te leveren. Waarop gereageerd werd met conspiracy verhalen die al weken debunked zijn. Gezien het verdere verloop van dit topic zie ik geen enkele reden om dit terug te plaatsen in COR.
Mocht er ooit bewijs geproduceerd worden voor de claims dat het in China in een lab gemaakt is dan mag je dat uiteraard in COR komen melden met een nieuw topic.
Verder interesseert het mij geen bal wat er op Facebook wel of niet mag, op FOK! mag dit topic gewoon alleen wel op de juiste plek hiervoor en dat is, naar onze mening, BNW.
https://www.newsweek.com/(...)rassed-media-1596958
Zo voldoende?
Zo niet, graag ook de dierenmarkt theorie naar BNW verplaatsen, want daar is ook geen hard bewijs voor.
Ja zoiets. Maar hoe dat dan is gebeurd? We kunnen er enkel over gissen.quote:
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Waren er genen van een pangolin in het virus? Dacht dat de pangolin alleen de vermoedelijke intermediate host was?
Misschien had iemand vleermuizensoep geserveerd met tartaar van pangolin of zo. Je weet het niet.
Er is geen topic in COR over "dierenmarkt theorie" dus ik snap jouw punt niet. Sowieso is er nooit enig bewijs geleverd voor die theorie, overigens, het is hooguit aannemelijk.quote:
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In dit artikel wordt uitgebreid verwezen naar bewijsstukken.
https://www.newsweek.com/(...)rassed-media-1596958
Zo voldoende?
Zo niet, graag ook de dierenmarkt theorie naar BNW verplaatsen, want daar is ook geen hard bewijs voor.
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Ok, BNW is een subforum voor zaken die zo zouden kunnen zijn maar (nog) niet te bewijzen zijn.
COR is een forum waar een andere bewijslast gehanteerd wordt. Er is tot op heden geen greintje bewijs geleverd dat covid-19 in een lab gemaakt is. Op zijn best zijn er zaken die mischien verdacht zijn maar geen bewijs vormen, verre van zelfs.
Het besluit om het topic te verhuizen is genomen nadat er door mods meermaals gevraagd is om feiten, om on topic te blijven en onderbouwing te leveren. Waarop gereageerd werd met conspiracy verhalen die al weken debunked zijn. Gezien het verdere verloop van dit topic zie ik geen enkele reden om dit terug te plaatsen in COR.
Mocht er ooit bewijs geproduceerd worden voor de claims dat het in China in een lab gemaakt is dan mag je dat uiteraard in COR komen melden met een nieuw topic.
Verder interesseert het mij geen bal wat er op Facebook wel of niet mag, op FOK! mag dit topic gewoon alleen wel op de juiste plek hiervoor en dat is, naar onze mening, BNW.
https://thehill.com/chang(...)ump-hatred-motivatedquote:Fear of link to Trump motivated expert skepticism of lab leak theory, scientist says
"At the time, it was scarier to be associated with Trump and to become a tool for racists, so people didn't want to publicly call for an investigation into lab origins."
A Canadian scientist and Harvard postdoctoral associate said colleagues might have feared vocalizing support for the Wuhan lab leak hypothesis out of concern that it would be viewed as showing support for potentially inflammatory views espoused by former President Trump.
Alina Chan is one of 18 experts who signed a letter in May calling for a thorough exploration into the origins of the coronavirus pandemic. Although Chan voiced her support for an investigation into the possibility of a lab leak early in the pandemic, she told NBC that experts were careful not to lean too close to views linked to the former president.
"At the time, it was scarier to be associated with Trump and to become a tool for racists, so people didn't want to publicly call for an investigation into lab origins," she said.
The lab leak theory, which hypothesizes that the novel coronavirus accidentally leaked from the Wuhan Institute of Virology, has gained traction in recent weeks. Circumstantial evidence, including a Wall Street Journal report that three researchers at the Wuhan lab fell ill in November 2019, challenge the conventional theory that the virus jumped species naturally. This has led President Biden and other world leaders to call for further investigations.
Additionally, Chan called for an investigation early in 2020 into the virus’ origins, and published a paper suggesting that SARS-CoV-2 had “developed several advantageous adaptations for human transmission” by the time it was first detected.
Chan cautioned, however, that despite emerging calls for fresh investigations, there is not a singular piece of evidence that definitely proves the lab leak theory.
"I know a lot of people want to have a smoking gun," Chan told NBC. "It's more like breadcrumbs everywhere, and they're not always leading in one direction. It's like the whole floor is covered in breadcrumbs."
But the Harvard and MIT credentialed expert believes last month’s letter opened the door for fellow scientists to step away from fears of guilt by association, adding that the letter might offer credibility to alternative theories.
"I think it had a big effect," Chan told NBC. "I think it literally helped all the people who wanted to investigate this by saying: This is not bogus. Top scientists think this is plausible."
Google funded research conducted by Peter Daszak’s EcoHealth Alliance – a controversial group which has openly collaborated with the Wuhan Institute of Virology on “killer” bat coronavirus research – for over a decade, The National Pulse can today reveal.
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A person believed to be among the highest-ranking defectors ever to the United States from the People’s Republic of China has been working with the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) for months, sources inside the intelligence community have told RedState on condition of anonymity. The defector has direct knowledge of special weapons programs in China, including bioweapons programs, those sources say.
The information provided to RedState corroborates and clarifies Thursday evening’s reporting by journalist Adam Housley.
RedState’s sources say that’s partially true. FBI Director Christopher Wray was “ambushed” with the information, they say, and Langley was also unaware. Sources say DIA leadership kept the defector within their Clandestine Services network to prevent Langley and the State Department from accessing the person, whose existence was kept from other agencies because DIA leadership believes there are Chinese spies or sources inside the FBI, CIA, and several other federal agencies.
Sources tell RedState the defector has been with the DIA for three months and that he has provided an extensive, technically detailed debrief to US officials. In DIA’s assessment, the information provided by the defector is legitimate. Sources say the level of confidence in the defector’s information is what has led to a sudden crisis of confidence in Dr. Anthony Fauci, adding that U.S. Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases (USAMRIID) personnel detailed to DIA have corroborated very technical details of information provided by the defector.
(NOTE: Several former CIA officers have questioned the veracity of this story or termed it an outright fabrication. We are aware of those comments and stand by our sources.)
https://redstate.com/jenv(...)ons-programs-n391238
As the media laments being totally wrong about the COVID lab leak theory, more details are coming out about the Chinese defector who has been taken into US custody. The man alleges that he has knowledge about a slew of Chinese bioweapons programs and COVID. He alleges that the current pandemic was caused by a lab leak, and that bats were the real cover-up story. The defector alleges that while the lab leak was an accident, it was allowed to spread. Our friends at RedState wrote about this first, but Jen Van Laar has a new development. The identity of the defector has been confirmed, and he's a high-ranking intelligence official with the People's Republic of China.
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quote:Viroloog: topwetenschapper China besmet met corona in lab
Een topwetenschapper verbonden aan de Chinese overheid is begin 2020 besmet geraakt met het SARS-CoV-2-virus in een prestigieus laboratorium in Peking. Dat stellen althans wetenschappers in uitgelekte privégesprekken.
Als het verhaal van de virologen klopt, gaat het om het eerste bekende laboratoriumlek met het nieuwe coronavirus.
De infectie kwam aan het licht in een serie e-mails die uitlekten dankzij FOIA-verzoeken van de denktank US Right To Know. Die staat erom bekend talloze vragen bij de overheid in te dienen waarmee documenten van de overheid zijn op te vragen, vergelijkbaar met de WOB-verzoeken in Nederland.
In Amerika zijn ook mailwisselingen op te vragen van wetenschappers die aan universiteiten werken die door de staat worden gefinancierd. Dat ’trucje’ is ook nu uitgehaald.
’Ja, in het lab!’
Het gaat om een gesprek van de virologen Shan-Lu Liu (Staatsuniversiteit Ohio), Lishan Su (Universiteit van North Carolina) en Shan Lu (Universiteit van Massachusetts Medical School).
In de e-mails vroeg Shan Lu de andere onderzoekers om mee te schrijven aan een commentaar in een wetenschappelijk tijdschrift dat banden heeft met China, Emerging Microbes & Infections. Shan Lu is daarvan hoofdredacteur. Hij wilde een artikel schrijven waarin de theorie dat Sars-CoV-2 in een lab ontstond, werd onderuitgehaald.
Gaandeweg het gesprek, kwam echter aan het licht dat Shan-Lu Liu, een andere wetenschapper, wist dat zijn voormalig directeur bij een Chinese overheidsorganisatie „is geïnfecteerd met Sars-CoV-2”. In een tweede mail, bevestigt hij: „Ja, hij werd geïnfecteerd in het lab!”
In reactie daarop schrijft Shan Lu, de hoofdredacteur, dat hij „eigenlijk heel bezorgd is” over de „mogelijkheid van infectie bij labpersoneel.” Laboratoria deden inmiddels graag onderzoek met corona en dat zou risico’s opleveren.
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Het incident zou zijn voorgevallen in het National Institute for Viral Disease Control and Prevention (NIVDC), wat onderdeel is van het Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention. Dat is weer de evenknie van de Amerikaanse versie, de hoogste wetenschappelijke organisatie van het land.
Wanneer de infectie plaats heeft gevonden, is niet bekend, maar de mailwisseling komt uit februari 2020. Dat is tamelijk in het begin van de pandemie. Het gaat nadrukkelijk niet om de eerste besmetting ooit. Maar „de onthulling dat een ervaren wetenschapper is geïnfecteerd met SARS-CoV-2 terwijl hij in een vooraanstaand lab in Peking werkte, onderschrijft de zorgen over gezondheidsgevaar rond het onderzoeken van ziektes met pandemische potentie door biolabs”, aldus US Right To Know. Ook Australische media schrijven over de mails.
Het NIVDC is nooit naar buiten getreden met de besmetting. Dat werpt meer vragen op, zegt de organisatie, ook over de eventuele reactie van de Chinese overheid in het hypothetische geval dat corona ontstond na een lablek in bijvoorbeeld het Wuhan Institute of Virology.
https://www.telegraaf.nl/(...)et-met-corona-in-lab
If it looks like a duck... If it swims like a duck... If it quacks like a duck...quote:China on Thursday said a World Health Organization (WHO) proposal to audit Chinese labs as part of further investigation into the origins of the coronavirus pandemic showed "disrespect" and "arrogance towards science".
Mods, vanaf wanneer kan deze weer uit BNW?
Waarom focus je zo China?quote:
https://www.france24.com/(...)-of-covid-19-origins
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If it looks like a duck... If it swims like a duck... If it quacks like a duck...
Mods, vanaf wanneer kan deze weer uit BNW?
Wat bedoel je?quote:
In Spanje zijn er al resten van Covid gevonden voordat het in Wuhan kwam. En op nog meer plaatsen in Europa. Dus ik vind je focus op China hierover gewoon debiel.quote:
Heb je daar een bron van?quote:
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In Spanje zijn er al resten van Covid gevonden voordat het in Wuhan kwam. En op nog meer plaatsen in Europa. Dus ik vind je focus op China hierover gewoon debiel.
https://health.ucsd.edu/n(...)-in-wuhan-china.aspxquote:
Ik lees hier enkel dat het eerder in China was gesignaleerd, niets over andere landen?quote:
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https://health.ucsd.edu/n(...)-in-wuhan-china.aspx
Maar, ben je anti-China, of anti-covid?quote:Op maandag 9 augustus 2021 17:46 schreef Tlaloc het volgende:
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Ik lees hier enkel dat het eerder in China was gesignaleerd, niets over andere landen?
Anti-covid, en China laat geen extern en onafhankelijk onderzoek toe, dus wat dat betreft ook anti-China ja.quote:
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Maar, ben je anti-China, of anti-covid?
Dan snap je er niet veel van. China heeft al vaak gezegd: kom maar langs. Het enige is: niet een pro-westerse berichtgeving al vooraf.quote:
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Anti-covid, en China laat geen extern en onafhankelijk onderzoek toe, dus wat dat betreft ook anti-China ja.
Nee, dat hebben ze niet gezegd. Ze hebben het onderzoek geweigerd.quote:
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Dan snap je er niet veel van. China heeft al vaak gezegd: kom maar langs. Het enige is: niet een pro-westerse berichtgeving al vooraf.
https://www.france24.com/(...)-of-covid-19-origins
quote:China on Thursday said a World Health Organization (WHO) proposal to audit Chinese labs as part of further investigation into the origins of the coronavirus pandemic showed "disrespect" and "arrogance towards science".
Ja, nadat ze iedereen uitnodigden. Het is vrij bekend dat ze nu zeggen: Nee, nu hoef je ookquote:
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Nee, dat hebben ze niet gezegd. Ze hebben het onderzoek geweigerd.
https://www.france24.com/(...)-of-covid-19-origins
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niet meer te komen0
(And how close to the chinese border did they come?)
On Thursday Republican Senators Ron Johnson, Rand Paul, James Lankford, Rick Scott, and Josh Hawley sent a letter to Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee Chairman Senator Gary Peters.
The letter was to inform Peters that the Biden HHS and NIH was refusing to produce all unredacted copies of Dr. Anthony Fauci’s emails, some of which had already been made public through heavily redacted FOIA requests.
But HHS refused to be transparent and redacted the requested information.
But on Thursday Republican Senators released the redacted part of the email the HHS was hiding from the American public.
And it’s not good.
The redaction includes Dr. Peter Daszak admitting that he and Fauci were doing work in collaboration with the Chinese virologists at the Wuhan virology lab.
This information is very damning and proved that Dr. Anthony Fauci has been lying under oath and lying to the American people about his involvement with the Wuhan lab.
We now know that Dr. Fauci funded the lab, approved the gain of function research and was fully aware of their work.
This letter by the GOP senators also reveals that the CDC, DIH and HHS cannot be trusted to tell the truth.
The letter continues to say “the paragraph above does not appear to contain any information that could reasonably be expected to interfere with law enforcement proceedings. HHS is hiding information from the American public — and from Congress.
This is a serious violation.
HHS is lying to the American public about the Chinese research of the COVID virus to protect evil Dr. Fauci.
What else are they hiding?
Here is the full letter from the Republican Senators to Chairman Peters.
Zie link:
https://www.thegatewaypun(...)ebsitesharingbuttons
Well, you don't say.quote:
BREAKING: GOP Senators Reveal Contents of Redacted Fauci Letter – HHS Hid His Collaboration with Dr. Daszak and Wuhan Lab
On Thursday Republican Senators Ron Johnson, Rand Paul, James Lankford, Rick Scott, and Josh Hawley sent a letter to Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee Chairman Senator Gary Peters.
The letter was to inform Peters that the Biden HHS and NIH was refusing to produce all unredacted copies of Dr. Anthony Fauci’s emails, some of which had already been made public through heavily redacted FOIA requests.
But HHS refused to be transparent and redacted the requested information.
But on Thursday Republican Senators released the redacted part of the email the HHS was hiding from the American public.
And it’s not good.
The redaction includes Dr. Peter Daszak admitting that he and Fauci were doing work in collaboration with the Chinese virologists at the Wuhan virology lab.
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This information is very damning and proved that Dr. Anthony Fauci has been lying under oath and lying to the American people about his involvement with the Wuhan lab.
We now know that Dr. Fauci funded the lab, approved the gain of function research and was fully aware of their work.
This letter by the GOP senators also reveals that the CDC, DIH and HHS cannot be trusted to tell the truth.
The letter continues to say “the paragraph above does not appear to contain any information that could reasonably be expected to interfere with law enforcement proceedings. HHS is hiding information from the American public — and from Congress.
This is a serious violation.
HHS is lying to the American public about the Chinese research of the COVID virus to protect evil Dr. Fauci.
What else are they hiding?
Here is the full letter from the Republican Senators to Chairman Peters.
Zie link:
https://www.thegatewaypun(...)ebsitesharingbuttons
Gain of function research geloof je ook niet in ?quote:
Wuhan lab leak/biowapens enz. geloof ik er helemaal geen reet van.
Jij gelooft niet dat mensen fouten kunnen maken in die labs waar ze met virussen werken ?
Erg veel vertrouw in de bragado witte jassen heb ik niet meer,nee - die zijn net zo corrupt/onbetrouwbaar/ongeloofwaardig als poltiek en media.imo.quote:
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Gain of function research geloof je ook niet in ?
Jij gelooft niet dat mensen fouten kunnen maken in die labs waar ze met virussen werken ?
quote:In een documentaire op de Deense openbare omroep TV2 heeft Peter Embarek, de chef van de WHO-missie die in China de oorsprong van het coronavirus probeerde te achterhalen, de theorie dat het virus uit een laboratorium is ontsnapt als 'waarschijnlijk' bestempeld. Embarek haalde in de documentaire ook uit naar China.
,,Een werknemer van het laboratorium die besmet is geraakt tijdens het nemen van monsters, is een van de waarschijnlijke hypotheses”, verklaarde Embarek in de documentaire ‘Het mysterie van het virus - de zoektocht van een Deen naar de waarheid in China. Op 29 maart concludeerde de missie dat een incident in het Virologisch Instituut van Wuhan 'hoogst onwaarschijnlijk' was.
Volgens Embarek was het echter moeilijk om die theorie met de Chinese wetenschappers te bespreken. ,,Tot 48 uur voor het einde van de missie hadden we nog steeds geen akkoord bereikt om de laboratoriumthese in ons rapport op te nemen”, vertelde de WHO-wetenschapper. Als gevolg van deze discussies kreeg de WHO-delegatie de toestemming om twee laboratoria te bezoeken waar onderzoek werd verricht naar vleermuizen. ,,Tijdens die bezoeken hebben we een presentatie gekregen en daarna konden we praten en de vragen stellen die we wilden stellen. Maar we hebben niet de kans gehad om ook maar enige documentatie te raadplegen”, aldus Embarek.
https://www.ad.nl/binnenl(...)schijnlijk~a940db22/
Mooi! dan kunnen we zonder zorgen allemaal onze favouriete bat soep weer gaan eten. Yummy!quote:
In een documentaire op de Deense openbare omroep TV2 heeft Peter Embarek, de chef van de WHO-missie die in China de oorsprong van het coronavirus probeerde te achterhalen, de theorie dat het virus uit een laboratorium is ontsnapt als 'waarschijnlijk' bestempeld. Embarek haalde in de documentaire ook uit naar China.
https://www.ad.nl/binnenl(...)-onderzoek~a940db22/
https://www.washingtonpos(...)who-origins-embarek/
Zou bijna denken dat jijzelf van Chinese afkomst bent omdat je zo in de verdediging schiet.quote:
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Ja, nadat ze iedereen uitnodigden. Het is vrij bekend dat ze nu zeggen: Nee, nu hoef je ook
niet meer te komen0
(And how close to the chinese border did they come?)
Zou Winnie de Poeh boos worden als jij niet voor hem op komt.
Nja als je Hollywoodfilms moet geloven, lekt er nogal wat..quote:
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Gain of function research geloof je ook niet in ?
Jij gelooft niet dat mensen fouten kunnen maken in die labs waar ze met virussen werken ?
Vooral in de VS en dat terwijl het land echt op alles 40.000 waarschuwing labels op drukt!
Je bedoeld west Taiwan?quote:
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Zou bijna denken dat jijzelf van Chinese afkomst bent omdat je zo in de verdediging schiet.
Zou Winnie de Poeh boos worden als jij niet voor hem op komt.
Of noord oost Tibet?
House Report Names ‘Public Face’ of China’s ‘Disinformation Campaign’ on COVID Origin
A new congressional report will tie Peter Daszak, the controversial director of the New York-based EcoHealth Alliance nonprofit, to the Chinese Communist Party’s propaganda campaign about COVID-19’s origins.
“We have uncovered strong evidence that suggests Peter Daszak is the public face of a CCP disinformation campaign designed to suppress public discussion about a potential lab leak,” states a new report, a copy of which National Review obtained before its planned publication later today, by Republicans on the House Foreign Affairs Committee.
The committee’s Republicans are releasing the document as an addendum to the COVID-origins report they issued last year. Among other things, this version highlights research from the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV) that viruses can be genetically modified without leaving a trace and that the WIV made unusual security-related procurements the same day that a mysterious virus database was taken off-line. “The preponderance of evidence suggests SARS-CoV-2 was accidentally released from a Wuhan Institute of Virology laboratory sometime prior to September 12, 2019,” the report concludes.
One of the most noteworthy revelations, however, might be indications that the WIV — a CCP-controlled facility — appears to have played a role in Daszak’s efforts to shape public opinion surrounding the virus’s origins.
“It’s incredibly concerning that Peter Daszak, an American scientist who has taken millions of dollars from the U.S. government, took directions from the CCP to persuade the American people a lab leak was nothing more than a ‘conspiracy theory,’” said Representative Michael McCaul, the committee’s top Republican, in a statement to National Review.
When Daszak organized a now-infamous statement referring to the lab hypothesis of COVID’s origins a “conspiracy theory” in February 2020, he did so at the behest of individuals affiliated with the Wuhan Institute of Virology, according to emails cited in the report. The specific messages in question have been accessible online for months, but the report will bring public scrutiny to the WIV’s role in organizing the Daszak statement for the first time.
“You should know that the conspiracy theorists have been very active, targeting our collaborators with some extremely unpleasant web pages in China, and some have now received death threats to themselves and their families. They have asked for any show of support we can give them,” Daszak wrote in an email on February 8, 2020, asking Rita Colwell, a microbiology professor at the University of Maryland and Johns Hopkins University affiliated with EcoHealth Alliance, to add her name to the letter.
The statement, which later appeared in the Lancet, a leading medical journal, uses similar language, vaguely referring to concerns that the virus originally leaked from a lab as a conspiracy. “Conspiracy theories do nothing but create fear, rumours, and prejudice that jeopardise our global collaboration in the fight against this virus,” wrote Daszak.
That letter, among other articles and public statements, was used by Daszak and others to create a false consensus view in the media that COVID did not originate in a lab. Since the early days of the pandemic, however, that’s changed: A number of U.S. officials across the Trump and Biden administrations have stated publicly, or reportedly mused in private, that the disease could have begun with a leak from the Wuhan Institute of Virology. In May, President Joe Biden ordered a 90-day investigation by the U.S. intelligence community to review any available information about such a potential origin.
It has been widely reported that Daszak organized the Lancet letter, but the Republicans’ report might be the first time that the role of the WIV in orchestrating it has been brought to prominence. The emails on which their allegation is based were initially released to the public in November 2020, after U.S. Right to Know, a nonprofit group that advocates transparency in the food system, obtained them via a Freedom of Information Act request.
Despite the group’s relative obscurity, its 466-page email cache soon became a political lightning rod: An email on February 6, 2020, revealed Daszak’s previously undisclosed role in organizing the letter — and the lengths to which he went to conceal his involvement.
When that statement was published on February 19, 2020, the world was in the initial phases of the coronavirus pandemic, and Daszak’s role went largely unexamined. Meanwhile, he played an outsized role, in that statement and his public comments, in downplaying the likelihood of a lab-leak origin of COVID.
To this day, the U.S. nonprofit director has been an invaluable resource to the Chinese Communist Party’s propagandists, who have cited him in numerous articles and videos over the past several months. Last week, the People’s Daily noted that he called China a “victim” of the Wuhan-lab theory.
In early 2021, he joined the joint WHO–China study on COVID origins, which deemed such a leak “extremely unlikely.” That determination was widely criticized, however, for all but ruling out the scenario without any evidence. WHO director general Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, Secretary of State Antony Blinken, and 13 allies of the United States panned the results of the probe.
Daszak was the only American to join the WHO team, after the three candidates put forward by the Trump administration were rejected by the WHO. At the time, critics pointed out that he had a potentially glaring conflict of interest: EcoHealth Alliance funded coronavirus research at the lab and had received millions of dollars in grant funding from the U.S. National Institutes of Health to do so. These conflicts of interest later led him to step down from the Lancet’s COVID-origins commission.
In addition to the email to Colwell, the GOP investigators point to another that hints heavily at coordination between Daszak and the WIV in downplaying the possibility of a lab leak.
The afternoon after Daszak initially sent out a draft of the statement that would appear in the Lancet 13 days later, he wrote to Ralph Baric, a professor at the University of North Carolina and the world’s leading coronavirus researcher, about a conversation he’d had with Linfa Wang, a Duke-National University of Singapore professor who is also regarded as one of the world’s preeminent authorities on coronaviruses. The report notes that Wang, a PRC national, also chairs the WIV’s scientific advisory board for emerging diseases and had been in Wuhan, likely for meetings with top officials at the institute, until January 18, 2020.
“He thinks, and I agree with him, that you, me and him should not sign this statement, so it has some distance from us and therefore doesn’t work in a counterproductive way,” wrote Daszak in the February 6 email, referring to a conversation he had with Wang about a draft of the Lancet statement. “We’ll then put it out in a way that doesn’t link it back to our collaboration so we maximize an independent voice,” he added.
Baric wrote back: “I also think this is a good decision. Otherwise it looks self-serving and we lose impact.”
That email has been widely commented on, as it shows that Daszak had wanted to obscure his role in the Lancet statement. However, this report’s discussion of the message places a new emphasis on Wang’s role at the WIV and the vast influence of the institute’s Chinese Communist Party Committee.
The GOP lawmakers’ report also notes the extensive record of collaboration between Wang, Daszak, and Shi Zhengli, the WIV director and another subject of fierce controversy, on coronavirus research.
Since supporting the Daszak-led letter, Baric has come around to the possibility of the lab-leak scenario; in April 2021 he signed on to a letter endorsing further investigation of the Wuhan lab in Science magazine. Daszak has not. Instead, after the Science letter and other events brought the lab-leak hypothesis to prominence, he wrote another letter to the Lancet, essentially doubling down on his claims from over a year ago.
But Wang’s role in all of this has remained a bit of a mystery. Following publication of the U.S. Right to Know email trove last November, Alina Chan, a postdoctoral fellow at the Broad Institute, noted on Twitter that “the 2 scientists who would’ve known the most about lab origins plausibility did not agree to sign the letter: Ralph Baric and Linfa Wang.” She also wrote of the prominent researchers, “As far as I can tell, neither one has ruled out a lab-based scenario, even if they have suggested avenues for investigating natural origins.”
The GOP team faces roadblocks to uncovering more information about the CCP’s role in the origins-disinformation campaign. McCaul said it was concerning that Daszak didn’t respond to any of the investigators’ questions.
“That’s why I’m calling for Peter Daszak to be subpoenaed before the House Foreign Affairs Committee. It’s our responsibility to conduct oversight of taxpayer’s money — and we need to know exactly what Peter Daszak was spending that money on.”
The report brings new attention to these questions, casting a harsh light on figures who have been sympathetic to Beijing’s position on the origins of COVID. As Beijing has rejected the WHO’s calls for a second-phase investigation, including a closer look at the lab, it seems that only a bipartisan congressional investigation — using subpoenas of Daszak, the Lancet, and others — can reveal the WIV’s role in this disinformation effort and bring us closer to understanding the origins of this calamity.
https://www.nationalrevie(...)ign-on-covid-origin/
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Nineteen months after the start of the pandemic, the Chinese government continues to actively thwart a real investigation into the origins of covid-19. Now, a new GOP congressional report alleges that Beijing was covering up the outbreak for months longer than previously assumed.
The House Foreign Affairs Committee minority staff, led by ranking Republican Michael McCaul (Tex.), released Monday an 84-page addendum to their previously issued report on the origins of covid-19. Their new research focuses on whether the Wuhan Institute of Virology, the world’s leading bat coronavirus research center, as well as other labs in Wuhan, could have been the source of the outbreak. The report also presents extensive evidence that the international community may need to revise its timeline of the outbreak.
“It is our belief the virus leaked sometime in late August or early September 2019,” McCaul said in a statement accompanying the release of the report. “When they realized what happened, Chinese Communist Party officials and scientists at the WIV began frantically covering up the leak. … But their coverup was too late — the virus was already spreading throughout the megacity of Wuhan.”
In January 2020, Chinese researchers reported that the first confirmed cases of covid-19 occurred in December of 2019, some of which were linked a seafood market in Wuhan (although not the earliest cases). In March 2020, China traced its first case back to Nov. 17, 2019. But since then, more and more evidence has emerged that suggests that the virus was circulating in Wuhan well before that time.
As the committee’s report notes, the Wuhan Institute of Virology took its main public virus database offline on Sept. 12, 2019. Dozens of athletes from several countries who attended the 2019 Military World Games in Wuhan in late October reported they came down with covid-like illnesses either while they were in Wuhan or shortly after returning home. The committee report also references commercially available satellite imagery that shows significantly increased activity at the six Wuhan hospitals closest to the Wuhan Institute of Virology in September and October of 2019.
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https://archive.is/1qTdt#selection-503.0-633.291
https://www.washingtonpos(...)uhan-months-earlier/
Unredacted email correspondence between Anthony Fauci and Peter Daszak reveals the EcoHealth Alliance President admitting to working “in collaboration with Chinese virologist” on “bat-origin coronaviruses.”
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https://thenationalpulse.(...)e-daszak-wuhan-work/
Dr. Ian Lipkin – an American virologist who once claimed there was “no evidence” COVID-19 could have come from the Wuhan Institute of Virology – appeared to reverse his premature stance on the origins of COVID-19 in a new interview.
“If they’ve got hundreds of bat samples that are coming in, and some of them aren’t characterized, how would they know whether this virus was or wasn’t in this lab?” Lipkin asked in reference to the Wuhan Institute of Virology in June before answering, “they wouldn’t.”
The unearthed comments come amidst Lipkin revealing he was informed of a “new outbreak” in Wuhan on December 15th, 2019 in Spike Lee’s documentary miniseries “NYC Epicenters.” The mid-December date, which Lipkin defends when pressed by the interviewer, is at odds with the Chinese Communist Party’s public COVID-19 timeline, first informing the World Health Organization of an outbreak on December 31st, 2019.
The National Pulse has previously exposed Lipkin’s ties to the Chinese Communist Party, including the Columbia Professor receiving awards and consultancy positions from the regime.
Lipkin was heavily quoted by mainstream media outlets including CBS and USA Today in an effort to “debunk” former Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) Chief Dr. Robert Redfield’s explosive claim linking the virus to a Chinese lab.
“We should be moving away from finger-pointing,” Lipkin told CBS after adding there is “no evidence to suggest that it was created in a lab.”
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https://thenationalpulse.(...)sts-reverses-stance/
More than 900 pages of materials related to US.-funded coronavirus research in China were released following a FOIA lawsuit by The Intercept.
NEWLY RELEASED DOCUMENTS provide details of U.S.-funded research on several types of coronaviruses at the Wuhan Institute of Virology in China. The Intercept has obtained more than 900 pages of documents detailing the work of EcoHealth Alliance, a U.S.-based health organization that used federal money to fund bat coronavirus research at the Chinese laboratory. The trove of documents includes two previously unpublished grant proposals that were funded by the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, as well as project updates relating to EcoHealth Alliance’s research, which has been scrutinized amid increased interest in the origins of the pandemic.
The documents were released in connection with ongoing Freedom of Information Act litigation by The Intercept against the National Institutes of Health. The Intercept is making the full documents available to the public.
“This is a road map to the high-risk research that could have led to the current pandemic,” said Gary Ruskin, executive director of U.S. Right To Know, a group that has been investigating the origins of Covid-19.
One of the grants, titled “Understanding the Risk of Bat Coronavirus Emergence,” outlines an ambitious effort led by EcoHealth Alliance President Peter Daszak to screen thousands of bat samples for novel coronaviruses. The research also involved screening people who work with live animals. The documents contain several critical details about the research in Wuhan, including the fact that key experimental work with humanized mice was conducted at a biosafety level 3 lab at Wuhan University Center for Animal Experiment — and not at the Wuhan Institute of Virology, as was previously assumed. The documents raise additional questions about the theory that the pandemic may have begun in a lab accident, an idea that Daszak has aggressively dismissed.
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https://theintercept.com/(...)arch-at-chinese-lab/
Zal ik eens zeggen waar er ook onderzoek gedaan wordt naar het corona virus pre 2020 vrijwel elk land met serieuze virologie groepen. Maar zeker weten nederland, er is een reden dat er al zo snel neutraliserende antilichamen uit nederland kwamen die waren namelijk tegen de originele SARS. En hoezo is die niet "geleaked".
Er is een serieuze zoektocht naar de origin van dit virus, en de window van deze zoektocht begint op zijn einde te raken, omdat het originele virus in een dierenpopulatie of waar dan ook ook gewoon door evolueert. De wuhan leak theorie is niet uit te sluiten maar dan moet je niet denken aan een geengineerd superwapen dat intentioneel in de samenleving is gebracht. Maar meer in de richting van een buisje met geconcentreerde vleermuis corona dat niet helemaal correct is behandeld. Het is goed dat er naar de veiligheid van high risk labs wordt gekeken en dat dat wordt gecontroleerd, maar de richting die deze lableak zoektoch begint te krijgen lijkt steeds meer op een klopjacht.
Men wil natuurlijk dolgraag iemand de schuld geven van deze uitbraak. Ik denk dat het politiek gezien heel handig is voor bepaalde landen als dat het andere land is. Dus Amerika die china de kaart toe deelt en vervolgens china die zegt dat het US Money was, dit is veel meer een politiek spelletje dan dat het daarwerkelijk over de oorsprong van corona gaat
De mexicaanse griep begon in de VS, bij een immigrant uit Mexico, dus zeiden ze de Mexicaanse griep, maar het was dus eigenlijk de Amerikaanse griep.quote:Op woensdag 8 september 2021 11:09 schreef Bosbeetle het volgende:
hè bah serieus is er 'US money' gegaan naar het onderzoeken van het Corona virus de virusfamilie waar de veroorzakers van SARS, MERS en Covid-19 in zitten, belachelijk.
Zal ik eens zeggen waar er ook onderzoek gedaan wordt naar het corona virus pre 2020 vrijwel elk land met serieuze virologie groepen. Maar zeker weten nederland, er is een reden dat er al zo snel neutraliserende antilichamen uit nederland kwamen die waren namelijk tegen de originele SARS. En hoezo is die niet "geleaked".
Er is een serieuze zoektocht naar de origin van dit virus, en de window van deze zoektocht begint op zijn einde te raken, omdat het originele virus in een dierenpopulatie of waar dan ook ook gewoon door evolueert. De wuhan leak theorie is niet uit te sluiten maar dan moet je niet denken aan een geengineerd superwapen dat intentioneel in de samenleving is gebracht. Maar meer in de richting van een buisje met geconcentreerde vleermuis corona dat niet helemaal correct is behandeld. Het is goed dat er naar de veiligheid van high risk labs wordt gekeken en dat dat wordt gecontroleerd, maar de richting die deze lableak zoektoch begint te krijgen lijkt steeds meer op een klopjacht.
Men wil natuurlijk dolgraag iemand de schuld geven van deze uitbraak. Ik denk dat het politiek gezien heel handig is voor bepaalde landen als dat het andere land is. Dus Amerika die china de kaart toe deelt en vervolgens china die zegt dat het US Money was, dit is veel meer een politiek spelletje dan dat het daarwerkelijk over de oorsprong van corona gaat
Dit is ook een politiek rotspel, en de Chinezen werken nooit mee. Dus dat gaat lastig worden.
Amerika heeft steeds minder basis om wereldleider te spelen en dat voelen de andere grote partijen, en de andere grote partijen is eigenlijk vrijwel alleen China. Amerika heeft nog zeemacht maar ook China knabbelt daar aan. China bouwt gewoon langzaam maar zeker zijn invloed uit door mooie wegen aan te leggen in afrika, olie te leveren aan buurlanden, de rest van de wereld te voorzien van action meuk, en electronica.quote:
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De mexicaanse griep begon in de VS, bij een immigrant uit Mexico, dus zeiden ze de Mexicaanse griep, maar het was dus eigenlijk de Amerikaanse griep.
Dit is ook een politiek rotspel, en de Chinezen werken nooit mee. Dus dat gaat lastig worden.
Veel westerse landen willen amerika zijn, maar gebruiken daarvoor Chinese producten. En dat merkt Amerika.
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Amerika heeft nog zeemacht maar ook China knabbelt daar aan.
Dat is een erg interessant onderwerp voor trouwens. Het zou ook de komende jaren nog wel eens uit de hand kunnen lopen in de Zuid Chinese zee als er een moment komt dat China de VS verzwakt genoeg acht om daar in actie te komen. Het congres heeft trouwens onlangs nog een bedrag van 23,9 miljard voor nieuwe schepen goedgekeurd. Maar voordat de nieuwe schepen gebouwd zijn zou het wel eens te laat kunnen zijn. Ook loopt de VS op het moment nog achter op Rusland en China op het gebied van hypersonische raketten. China en Rusland hebben ze al (bijna) in gebruik terwijl de VS er nog niet eens (uit)ontwikkeld heeft.
En as we speak zijn er al een geruime tijd een aantal grote vloten oefeningen aan het houden in het westen van de Pacific waar ook Nederland aan mee doet.
https://news.usni.org/202(...)g-30-2021#more-88249
Maar dit is allemaal meer iets voor POL.
Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the U.S. National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) and the chief medical advisor to President Joe Biden, is facing calls to answer for a shocking report, published by the Intercept, about the so-called “gain of function” research that the National Institutes of Health funded at the Wuhan Institute of Virology. The WIV is thought to be a possible origin point for COVID-19.
In May of 2021, Dr. Fauci, in his testimony to a Senate committee investigating whether the U.S. funded “gain-of-function” research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology, claimed that the NIH “has not ever and does not now fund gain of function research in the Wuhan Institute of Virology.”
The Intercept, however, found, through a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request, evidence that the NIH issued a “bat coronavirus grant” to a group called the EcoHealth Alliance for “$3.1 million, including $599,000 that the Wuhan Institute of Virology used in part to identify and alter bat coronaviruses likely to infect humans.”
As The Daily Wire reported Tuesday, Dr. Richard Ebright, a molecular biologist at Rutgers University and an expert who spoke to The Intercept, elaborated on the findings on Twitter.
“The materials show that the 2014 and 2019 NIH grants to EcoHealth with subcontracts to WIV funded gain-of-function research as defined in federal policies in effect in 2014-2017 and potential pandemic pathogen enhancement as defined in federal policies in effect in 2017-present,” Ebert noted. “The materials confirm the grants supported the construction — in Wuhan — of novel chimeric SARS-related coronaviruses that combined a spike gene from one coronavirus with genetic information from another coronavirus, and confirmed the resulting viruses could infect human cells.”
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A report published on Monday alleges that the U.S. government funded highly controversial gain-of-function research on bat coronaviruses at the Wuhan Institute of Virology in China.
Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the U.S. National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) and the chief medical advisor to Democrat President Joe Biden, has denied that the National Institute of Health [NIH] has ever funded gain of function research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology. During a heated exchange with Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) back in May, Fauci claimed that the “[National Institute of Health] has not ever and does not now fund gain of function research in the Wuhan Institute of Virology.”
This week, The Intercept reported that 900 new pages of previously undisclosed information from the NIH, which The Intercept obtained through a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) lawsuit, that the EcoHealth Alliance used federal grant money to fund dangerous bat coronavirus research in the Chinese labs. The Intercept reported:
The bat coronavirus grant provided the EcoHealth Alliance with a total of $3.1 million, including $599,000 that the Wuhan Institute of Virology used in part to identify and alter bat coronaviruses likely to infect humans. Even before the pandemic, many scientists were concerned about the potential dangers associated with such experiments. The grant proposal acknowledges some of those dangers: “Fieldwork involves the highest risk of exposure to SARS or other CoVs, while working in caves with high bat density overhead and the potential for fecal dust to be inhaled.”
Richard Ebright, a molecular biologist at Rutgers University, reviewed the material and told The Intercept that the “viruses they constructed were tested for their ability to infect mice that were engineered to display human type receptors on their cell.”
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https://www.dailywire.com(...)fauci-was-untruthful
Jij hoort jezelf graag praten. Ik deel graag informatie zodat mensen zelf hun conclusies kunnen trekken.quote:Op donderdag 9 september 2021 14:45 schreef xpompompomx het volgende:
Eeeindelijk weer eens linkdumps van PCP
Dat is ook de theorie. En gelet op de gevolgen van het handelen van China (eerst werd er ontkent dat er überhaupt een uitbraak was en werden artsen het zwijgen opgelegd, weet je nog? Als China opener was geweest waren we veel beter voorbereid geweest) lijkt het mij verdomde belangrijk zo veel mogelijk te weten te komen over de oorsprong en verspreiding.quote:
Er is een serieuze zoektocht naar de origin van dit virus, en de window van deze zoektocht begint op zijn einde te raken, omdat het originele virus in een dierenpopulatie of waar dan ook ook gewoon door evolueert. De wuhan leak theorie is niet uit te sluiten maar dan moet je niet denken aan een geengineerd superwapen dat intentioneel in de samenleving is gebracht. Maar meer in de richting van een buisje met geconcentreerde vleermuis corona dat niet helemaal correct is behandeld. Het is goed dat er naar de veiligheid van high risk labs wordt gekeken en dat dat wordt gecontroleerd, maar de richting die deze lableak zoektoch begint te krijgen lijkt steeds meer op een klopjacht.
Senator Rand Paul has demanded that Dr. Anthony Fauci be arrested for lying to Congress on coronavirus gain of function studies in Wuhan, China and should serve serious prison time.
“I find that hard to believe that we still would have someone with such poor judgment, who believes that even a pandemic would be worth it, that this person is in charge of the research for our government, I find that astounding,” Sen. Paul declared on Wednesday’s Hannity show.
“The judgment that we should continue to fund this lab and—that the virus in all likelihood came from the lab. I think it’s such incredibly poor judgment that he should be immediately removed,” Paul continued.
The Kentucky Senator added, “We’ve referred it to the Department of Justice. I don’t think Biden’s Department of Justice will do anything with it but yes, it is very dangerous to have public officials who we need to have trust in coming and lying to us, but [Fauci] has lied dozens of times.”
Paul went on, “Usually, he tells us that it’s for our own good but yes, he has dissembled, he has obfuscated—there’s other nicer words—but he has definitely lied to the American public and he should be held responsible but not just that.”
Adding to Paul’s comments, Senator Tom Cotton called for prosecution against Fauci “to the fullest extent of the law.”
Cotton urged “You know, for 18 months, he’s been saddling up his moral high horse and clucking his tongue at college kids who want to go celebrate a football game in an outdoor stadium on a nice fall day or parents who don’t want their kindergartners to have to wear masks their entire lives, telling you you have to wear three masks, when all along, he’s been lying, not just to Congress, but to the American people about his role in funding the very reckless, dangerous research at a Chinese Communist lab that unleashed this pandemic on the world.”
“It is a disgrace and it’s time for Tony Fauci to be held accountable,” Cotton added.
Meanwhile, Fauci appeared on both MSNBC and CNN, with neither network even bothering to ask a single question about the new report detailing how Fauci funded the Chinese research and then lied about it.
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Ik denk dat al 3 van mijn Wuhan / Fauci topics verbannen zijn uit NWSquote:
Dit topic kan inmiddels toch wel uit BNW en naar NWS, POL of COR?
Tja de (vermoedelijke) waarheid is soms ongemakkelijkquote:
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Ik denk dat al 3 van mijn Wuhan / Fauci topics verbannen zijn uit NWS
Nog niet zo heel lang geleden was er überhaupt over praten reden voor een ban op Facebook
-The Lancet letter published in March 2020 called claims that Covid-19 originated in lab 'conspiracy theories'
-It was signed by 27 scientists from across the globe working in virology and other medical science fields
-The widely-read letter effectively ended all debate about origins of the global coronavirus pandemic
-Investigation by The Telegraph has found 26 out of 27 had connections to China's Wuhan Institute of Virology
Of the 27 scientists who wrote a letter in The Lancet medical journal dismissing the possibility that Covid-19 originated from a Wuhan lab, 26 have links to its Chinese researchers, their colleagues or its benefactors, a new investigation has revealed.
On March 7 last year, the influential journal published the letter in which the 27 scientists said they 'strongly condemned conspiracy theories' surrounding the origins of the coronavirus pandemic that has impacted all corners of the world.
All debate into whether Covid-19 had man-made origins or leaked from the lab in Wuhan - the Chinese city that was ground-zero for the virus - was effectively shut down by the letter.
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n another disturbing report on what was going on at the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV) and similar labs before the pandemic, we have learned that researchers created viruses that held 10,000 times the viral load higher than their naturally-occurring counterparts (meaning that the engineered virus was significantly more infectious).
On top of that, we also learned that researchers at the lab conducted experiments on these enhanced viruses using “humanized mice.” These are mice that have been engrafted with human cells or tissues, allowing researchers to study the response from human cells to medical treatments and, you guessed it, diseases. Read as human experimentation without the danger of breaking any pesky ethics guidelines.
Funding for gain-of-function research that could potentially make naturally-occurring viruses more infectious was suspended in 2014 due to the reasonable concern that playing God with deadly diseases could be very dangerous. That suspension was lifted in 2017 for projects that underwent a review process by a special board to make sure that the projects were worth the risks.
The National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), which is run by one Anthony “America’s Doctor” Fauci, decided not to flag the grant to EcoHealth Alliance for $3.1 million to study bat coronaviruses for review under the new guidelines. NIAID made this decision even though the grant application itself acknowledged potential dangers in the research, noting, “Fieldwork involves the highest risk of exposure to SARS or other CoVs, while working in caves with high bat density overhead and the potential for fecal dust to be inhaled.”
Almost $600,000 of EcoHealth Alliance’s grant went to WIV to study and alter bat coronaviruses that were likely to infect humans.
So, we have researchers at the Wuhan lab using almost $600,000 in NIAID grant money to enhance the infectiousness of bat coronaviruses and observing their effectiveness in mice that contained human cells and tissue.
This all begs the question: Why?
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https://dailycaller.com/2(...)n-of-function-fauci/
The world‘s leading medical journal The Lancet has now published an article explicitly condemning the letter organized by Dr. Anthony Fauci, Peter Daszak of the EcoHealth Alliance, Jeremy Farrar of the Wellcome Trust, and others.
On February 1, 2020, when confronted with first evidence the Covid pandemic may have originated in the Wuhan Lab he funded via Daszak’s EcoHealth Alliance, Fauci organized a conference call, apparently to discuss how to suppress this dangerous information, since the trail led straight to them.
On Feb. 19, 2020, Daszak, Farrar and others published a letter in The Lancet, saying that “We stand together to strongly condemn conspiracy theories suggesting that COVID-19 does not have a natural origin.”
This letter was then used to suppress and censor the Chinese lab leak theory in Mainstream Media and on social media for over a year. There was, and remains, no evidence for the “scientists’” claims.
Now, a new article in The Lancet by Jacques van Helden of Aix-Marseille University in France, Richard Ebright of Rutgers U. and 14 other authors has skewered the Fauci apologists’ unscientific Fake News “which claimed overwhelming support for the hypothesis that the novel coronavirus causing the COVID-19 pandemic originated in wildlife.”
“The authors associated any alternative view with conspiracy theories by stating: “We stand together to strongly condemn conspiracy theories suggesting that COVID-19 does not have a natural origin”. The statement has imparted a silencing effect on the wider scientific debate, including among science journalists,” Ebright and colleagues charge.
Contrary to the Fake Scientists’ claim, “there is no direct support for the natural origin of SARS-CoV-2, and a laboratory-related accident is plausible. There is so far no scientifically validated evidence that directly supports a natural origin.”
“Neither the host pathway from bats to humans, nor the geographical route from Yunnan (where the viruses most closely related to SARS-CoV-2 have been sampled) to Wuhan (where the pandemic emerged) have been identified. More than 80 000 samples collected from Chinese wildlife sites and animal farms all proved negative”, the researchers write.
In addition, the international research community “has no access to the sites, samples, or raw data” related to the Wuhan Lab and the Covid outbreak, the article attests. Even WHO Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus has now declared “that all hypotheses remained on the table, including that of a laboratory leak.”
A lab leak origin of the pandemic is “plausible”, the authors find: “Some unusual features of the SARS-CoV-2 genome sequence suggest that they may have resulted from genetic engineering.”
Ebright and collegaues also skewered Fauci’s stooges for placing “unity” and their political agenda over critical evaluation and science:
“As scientists, we need to evaluate all hypotheses on a rational basis, and to weigh their likelihood based on facts and evidence, devoid of speculation concerning possible political impacts. Contrary to the first letter published in The Lancet … we do not think that scientists should promote “unity” (“We support the call from the Director-General of WHO to promote scientific evidence and unity over misinformation and conjecture”).
As shown above, research-related hypotheses are not misinformation and conjecture. More importantly, science embraces alternative hypotheses, contradictory arguments, verification, refutability, and controversy. Departing from this principle risks establishing dogmas, abandoning the essence of science, and, even worse, paving the way for conspiracy theories. Instead, the scientific community should bring this debate to a place where it belongs: the columns of scientific journals.”
It is hard to imagine how Fauci, Daszak, Farrar and their co-conspirators can remain in their positions after this brutal scientific takedown.
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Artikel in de Lancet:
An appeal for an objective, open, and transparent scientific debate about the origin of SARS-CoV-2
On July 5, 2021, a Correspondence was published in The Lancet called “Science, not speculation, is essential to determine how SARS-CoV-2 reached humans”.1 The letter recapitulates the arguments of an earlier letter (published in February, 2020) by the same authors,2 which claimed overwhelming support for the hypothesis that the novel coronavirus causing the COVID-19 pandemic originated in wildlife. The authors associated any alternative view with conspiracy theories by stating: “We stand together to strongly condemn conspiracy theories suggesting that COVID-19 does not have a natural origin”.
The statement has imparted a silencing effect on the wider scientific debate, including among science journalists.3 The 2021 letter did not repeat the proposition that scientists open to alternative hypotheses were conspiracy theorists, but did state: “We believe the strongest clue from new, credible, and peer-reviewed evidence in the scientific literature is that the virus evolved in nature, while suggestions of a laboratory leak source of the pandemic remain without scientifically validated evidence that directly supports it in peer-reviewed scientific journals”. In fact, this argument could literally be reversed. As will be shown below, there is no direct support for the natural origin of SARS-CoV-2, and a laboratory-related accident is plausible.
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Wuhan scientists were planning to release enhanced airborne coronaviruses into Chinese bat populations to inoculate them against diseases that could jump to humans, leaked grant proposals dating from 2018 show.
New documents show that just 18 months before the first Covid-19 cases appeared, researchers had submitted plans to release skin-penetrating nanoparticles containing “novel chimeric spike proteins” of bat coronaviruses into cave bats in Yunnan, China.
They also planned to create chimeric viruses, genetically enhanced to infect humans more easily, and requested $14million from the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (Darpa) to fund the work.
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Mooi voer voor dit topic.quote:
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Is me nu te laat om er nog op in te gaan. Kom er wel later (kort) op terug
Want eik is het off topic
In this episode, I break down a very short window of time from Jan 31, 2020 to Feb 2 - 2020 when Fauci met with key representatives of the Wellcome Trust, WHO, NIH and senior private virologists. They presumably discussed prior and ongoing gain of function experiments on SARS CoV viruses as well as the lab leak origin theory that was worriedly gaining steam out in the public eye.
Mere days after this meeting a wall of scientific opinion coupled to air-tight media backing concluded that SARS-CoV-2 could not have come from a lab but must have been of natural origin.
We now know this was not based on science but was a predetermined conclusion in search of supporters and which made declarative statements that could not possibly have been grounded in actual science.
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Christian Drosten and Marion Koopmans in that teleconference email are also the inventors of the covid PCR test. Drosten was also a signatory to the Lancet letter orchestrated by Peter Daszak. Koopmans along with Daszak were also key members of the WHO investigation team sent to China to cover up the lab leak.
Hoi Kijkertje, zou je dat in vervolg in juiste topic willen posten.quote:
Op Dan houden we het een beetje overzichtelijk, en gaat men in andere topics niet zo snel van het betreffende onderwerp af.
thnx voor de info
Aangezien ik zie dat je deze discussie heel graag hiernaar toe wil trekken zal ik mijn reactie hier ook maar plaatsen dan;quote:
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Hoi Kijkertje, zou je dat in vervolg in juiste topic willen posten.
Dan houden we het een beetje overzichtelijk, en gaat men in andere topics niet zo snel van het betreffende onderwerp af.
thnx voor de info
Mijn vraag blijft onbeantwoord. Geen van deze stukken bevatten onderzoeken die uitwijzen dat covid niet in een lab gefabriceerd zou zijn zoals jij beweerde. Als je deze stukken leest dan spreekt men ook steeds over aanwijzingen of vermoedens dat het uit de natuur geëvolueerd zou zijn maar hard bewijs daarvoor is nog niet gevonden.
Overigens zitten er 2 opinie stukken tussen.
Ik? Eh nee ik heb alleen de post van wuhan lab leak even hierheen verplaatst.quote:
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Aangezien ik zie dat je deze discussie heel graag hiernaar toe wil trekken zal ik mijn reactie hier ook maar plaatsen dan;
Mijn vraag blijft onbeantwoord. Geen van deze stukken bevatten onderzoeken die uitwijzen dat covid niet in een lab gefabriceerd zou zijn zoals jij beweerde. Als je deze stukken leest dan spreekt men ook steeds over aanwijzingen of vermoedens dat het uit de natuur geëvolueerd zou zijn maar hard bewijs daarvoor is nog niet gevonden.
Overigens zitten er 2 opinie stukken tussen.
Ik houd het op batsoup!
NIH Director Dr. Francis Collins on Tuesday resigned just a few weeks after documents exposed he lied about his involvement in gain-of-function research in the Wuhan lab.
“It has been an incredible privilege to lead this great agency for more than a decade,” Collins said in a statement.
“I love this agency and its people so deeply that the decision to step down was a difficult one, done in close counsel with my wife, Diane Baker, and my family. I am proud of all we’ve accomplished. I fundamentally believe, however, that no single person should serve in the position too long, and that it’s time to bring in a new scientist to lead the NIH into the future. I’m most grateful and proud of the NIH staff and the scientific community, whose extraordinary commitment to lifesaving research delivers hope to the American people and the world every day.”
Recall, Francis Collins over the summer said parents should wear masks at home in front of their unvaccinated children.
Collins conceded that it “may sound weird” that people should wear masks in their homes, but he advised it anyway.
“Parents of unvaccinated kids should be thoughtful about this and the recommendation is to wear masks [at home] as well,” Collins said. “I know that’s uncomfortable. I know it seems weird but it is the best way to protect your kids.”
In June, Francis Collins admitted to radio host Hugh Hewitt that the US collaborated with the Wuhan Virology Laboratory.
Dr. Collins then went on to defend the researchers and the virology lab in Wuhan, China.
“The documents make it clear that assertions by the NIH Director, Francis Collins, and the NIAID Director, Anthony Fauci, that the NIH did not support gain-of-function research or potential pandemic pathogen enhancement at WIV are untruthful,” Rutgers University chemical biology professor Richard Ebright said.
https://www.thegatewaypun(...)-research-wuhan-lab/
-Analysis of open-source data shows money spent on PCR tests and machines doubled in Hubei province in 2019, months before first Covid case was reported
-Significantly more PCR contracts were also issued in 2019 compared to 2018
-Spike began in May 2019, seven months before first official cases in December
-It is the latest piece in body of evidence that Covid was spreading much earlier than thought, with early infections covered up
Orders for PCR test kits spiked in the Chinese province where Covid originated seven months before the first case was reported, it has emerged, providing fresh evidence that the disease was circulating for months before Beijing reported it to the world.
The Wuhan Institute of Virology, the Wuhan University of Science and Technology and the Hubei CDC were all among institutions placing unusually-large orders for PCR test kits starting in May 2019, according to new research.
It is just the latest piece of evidence that suggests the Chinese Communist Party covered up the initial spread of Covid - helping the virus to spread across the world and become a debilitating pandemic.
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https://www.dailymail.co.(...)bled-Hubei-case.html
quote:Herkomst coronavirus mogelijk nooit te achterhalen, zeggen inlichtingendiensten VS
We zullen mogelijk nooit weten waar het coronavirus vandaan komt. Amerikaanse inlichtingendiensten stellen in een nieuw verslag dat zowel de overdracht van dier op mens als het ontsnappen van het virus uit een laboratorium een plausibele verklaring is.
Wel lijkt duidelijk dat het virus niet ontworpen is als biologisch wapen, meldt de Amerikaanse nationale veiligheidscoördinator (ODNI). Voor een definitief oordeel is simpelweg te weinig informatie beschikbaar, zegt de instantie.
Over de oorsprong van het virus heerst verdeeldheid onder de verschillende veiligheidsdiensten, schrijft de Britse omroep BBC op zijn website. Vier inlichtingenbureaus geloven dat het afkomstig is van een dier of een aanverwant virus, maar ze houden nogal wat slagen om de arm.
https://www.rtlnieuws.nl/(...)um-onderzoek-amerika
geen enkel wetenschappelijk bewijs in een gecontroleerde omgeving dat die virus besmettelijk is.
makkelijk te bewijzen , stop 1 persoon met covid19 met paar gezonde personen in kamer, sluit ze op voor paar weken en kijk of iedereen besmet of ziek wordt.
of neem snot af van iemand met covid en geef dat aan een gezond persoon en kijk of die ook ziek of positief getest wordt.
WHO Says Covid-19 Asymptomatic Transmission Is 'Very Rare'
zelfs met symptomen is nooit aangetoond.
FBI chief Christopher Wray says China lab leak most likelyquote:
Het is Marion Koopmans helaas niet gelukt. We zullen nooit weten hoe het virus ontstaan is.
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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-64806903
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FBI chief Christopher Wray says China lab leak most likely
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-64806903
Uiteindelijk doofpot verhaal met andere afleiding?quote:
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Als het verboden dus verwijderd was van Twitter en andere sites kwam dit door beleid van Twitter toen de tijd.quote:
The lableak theorie was vanaf het begin al een optie. Maar werd door FBI via Twitter onder andere verboten. Je werd gaband (zie de twitter-files van Elon Musk). Hier ook. De FBI komt er nu zelf mee waarschijnlijk omdat ze China nu in een kwaad daglicht willen zetten. Zie ook de zogenaamd spionageballonnen, tiktok spioneert maar VS doet dit nooit enzovoort. Dat VS zelf tientallen miljoenen heeft betaald aan dat lab om gain of function te verrichtten. Laten de msm en fbi heel toevallig stelselmatig buiten beschouwing. Maar dit zullen allemaal weer zogenaamd toevalligheden zijn.
Nu met Musk kan je van alles weer op Twitter pleuren.
Want je geeft zelf al aan het betreft een theorie, geen opsomming van feiten.
Desondanks wist de Wuhan lab theorie verschillende nieuws sites wel te halen en eenmaal op het internet verspreid het vanzelf.
Als je iets vervoerd rolt het balletje vaak sneller dan wanneer er weinig op uit word gedaan.
Er zijn aantal insiders wat aangaven dat dit wel degelijk het geval was.quote:
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Alleen de hoax-theorie dat Trump met de Russen samensmeed mocht en mag natuurlijk altijd en overal gezegd. Te doorzichtig die domme (normie-) flikkers.
Plus Poetin wou pannenkoek van Trump maar al te graag als president in plaats van een daadwerkelijke politicus.
Dit is maar al te goed bekend, en de reden is best simpel, Trump had best wel hoge woorden voor Rusland en Poetin, en een Trump zou minder snel wapens leveren aan Oekraïne dan wat nu het geval is dus dit bevestigd gewoon nog even dubbel dat Poetin al langer plannen had voor een inval en dat Rusland zich daadwerkelijk bemoeide met de verkiezingen.
Hoeveel contact er daadwerkelijk is geweest tussen Trump en Poetin/Rusland omtrent de verkiezingen is onduidelijk.
Beetje grijs gebied zoals bij onze eigen Baudet.
Domme normie flikkerquote:
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Er zijn aantal insiders wat aangaven dat dit wel degelijk het geval was.
Plus Poetin wou pannenkoek van Trump maar al te graag als president in plaats van een daadwerkelijke politicus.
Dit is maar al te goed bekend, en de reden is best simpel, Trump had best wel hoge woorden voor Rusland en Poetin, en een Trump zou minder snel wapens leveren aan Oekraïne dan wat nu het geval is dus dit bevestigd gewoon nog even dubbel dat Poetin al langer plannen had voor een inval en dat Rusland zich daadwerkelijk bemoeide met de verkiezingen.
Hoeveel contact er daadwerkelijk is geweest tussen Trump en Poetin/Rusland omtrent de verkiezingen is onduidelijk.
Beetje grijs gebied zoals bij onze eigen Baudet.
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Het klopt gewoon hoor. De complottheorie dat China schuld had aan het uitbreken van de pandemie was dat ze het virus als biowapen aan het ontwikkelen waren en dat er toen een virus 'ontsnapt' was (wel of niet met opzet). Dat werd tegengesproken.quote:
Het is de schuld van de samenzweringstheoristen dat er niet geluisterd werd naar de lab-leak theorie!
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Dat er een mogelijkheid zou kunnen zijn dat er een 'lab leak' is nooit voor 100% uitgesloten maar werd wel als buitengewoon onwaarschijnlijk geacht, een opvatting waar het grootste deel van de wetenschapswereld nog steeds achter staat.
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Surveillance of SARS-CoV-2 in the environment and animal samples of the Huanan Seafood Marketquote:Daarin is nu verandering gekomen. Vorige week zetten Chinese onderzoekers de ruwe gegevens van de virusmonsters kortstondig en zonder aankondiging op Gisaid, een website waar wetenschappers genetische data uitwisselen. Daar werden de gegevens bij toeval ontdekt door een Franse evolutiebioloog, Florence Débarre, die de ruwe data downloadde.
Reikhalzend kijken wetenschappers nu uit naar de officiële analyse van de genetische vingerafdrukken, die een internationaal onderzoeksteam naar verwachting dit weekeinde online zal zetten. De monsters bevatten meer dna van wasbeerhonden dan van mensen, wilde de Deense onderzoeker en teamlid Kristian Andersen al wel kwijt aan tijdschrift The Atlantic. Dat ‘versterkt de zaak voor een natuurlijke oorsprong van het virus’, zeggen ook niet betrokken wetenschappers.
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Een westerse analyse, door onder meer de Canadese groep, herleidde intussen de herkomst van het virus tot het precieze kraampje waar de monsters waren genomen: marktkraam nummer 29, in een hoek van de markt. Bij die analyse bleek bovendien dat het virus niet één, maar twee keer lijkt te zijn overgesprongen op de mens. Alweer een aanwijzing voor een natuurlijke gebeurtenis.
Nog wel een preprint, maar wel weer meer (bijna) bewijs voor de market oorsprong.
Nuja, daar lees ik nu juist geen echt duidelijk bewijs voor een oorsprong op de markt zelf...quote:
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Surveillance of SARS-CoV-2 in the environment and animal samples of the Huanan Seafood Market
Nog wel een preprint, maar wel weer meer (bijna) bewijs voor de market oorsprong.
De genomen monsters zijn volgens dat artikel genomen begin 2020...
Niet in het begin van december tot mogelijk half november 2019, toen de eerste besmettingen moeten hebben plaatsgevonden (waarbij begin december wel bij de helft van de eerste patienten een link naar de markt bestaat, maar juist de vroegste niet.quote:Herein, we presented the SARS-CoV-2 detection results of 1380 samples collected from the environment and the animals within the market in early 2020.
Tevens bevat het artikel een belangrijke vaststelling, er is gen enkel dierlijk sample afgenomen dat aantoond dat een dier besmet was
Punt is nu net dat alhoewel de markt zeker een rol speelde in de eerste verspreiding, er nog steeds geen overtuigend bewijs is dat daar het virus op mensen oversprong.. Of dat andersom een besmet persoon daar een eerder opgedane infectie 'binnenbracht'..quote:In contrast, no virus was detected in the animal swabs covering 18 species of animals in the market.
(tevens is er een theorie rondom een dicht in de buurt liggend 'wilde dieren opvangcentrum'... Waar al langer problemen waren rondom gebrekkige veiligheid, maar dat ook samenwerkte met het virologisch instituut om proefdieren te leveren of heel misschien ook als opvang van proefdieren die daarvan kwamen).
En er is een theorie rondom twee grote vleesverwerkende fabrieken die ook in de buurt liggen en waar vlees uit andere delen van china verwerkt werd.
Het lukt mij niet om zomaar aan te nemen dat virussen overspringen naar een mens en dan ook nog eens zo besmettelijk zijn dat het een Pandemie veroorzaakt in deze moderne tijd.quote:
Genetisch bewijs: wasbeerhond gaf mensheid coronavirus
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Surveillance of SARS-CoV-2 in the environment and animal samples of the Huanan Seafood Market
Nog wel een preprint, maar wel weer meer (bijna) bewijs voor de market oorsprong.
waarom niet?quote:
Het lukt mij niet om zomaar aan te nemen dat virussen overspringen naar een mens en dan ook nog eens zo besmettelijk zijn dat het een Pandemie veroorzaakt in deze moderne tijd.
SARS uit 2003, was alleen te dodelijk om echt goed te verspreiden.
MERS......
AIDS....
Varkensgriep/mexicaanse griep?
Vogelgriep kan dit ook zomaar worden als we pech hebben.
Voorbeelden genoeg in de geschiedenis alleen al zolang ik leef.
Als de omstandigheden maar goed zijn, is dit gewoon mogelijk. Besmettelijkheid, incubatietijd, niet heel dodelijk en veel niet zo slimme mensen die het beter denken te weten door facebook (en andere desinformatie) dan dan specialisten die er jaren voor gestudeerd hebben, recept voor ellende icm het juiste virus.
Globalisatie, overbevolking er nog even bij.
Het lijkt mij best wel goed, als je begrijpt hoe dit virus exact werkt.
Hier doen we geen parlementaire enquête, daar wel.
Linkje naar twitterdraad met veel email en chatverkeer waarin wat hoofdrolspelers bespreken hoe ze lableak theorie buiten spel zetten.