[AMV] Amerikaanse politiek #690 Nuances blijven lastig

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Op dinsdag 26 november 2019 18:19 schreef Chivaz het volgende:
Muh Russia heeft niet veel opgeleverd. Het was grotendeels een grote samenzweringstheorie.
Wat is het argument om niets te doen tegen vermoedelijke inmenging vanuit Oekraïne?

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Op woensdag 27 november 2019 01:41 schreef Tijger_m het volgende:

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Russische inmenging in de verkiezingen is bewezen, lieverd.

Oekrainse inmenging is alleen maar propaganda en leugens zonder enig bewijs van Trump aanhangers.

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Op woensdag 27 november 2019 02:03 schreef Kijkertje het volgende:

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Ja zoals ik Cuomo hoorde opmerken: een paar anti-Trump artikeltjes van Oekraiense politici staat echt in geen verhouding met de DNC-hack en het grote schaal verspreiden van misinformatie.

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Op woensdag 27 november 2019 02:48 schreef Kijkertje het volgende:
Sws mensen die ineens helemaal gaan voor een Oekraine-onderzoek en het Rusland-onderzoek een hoax/ samenzweringstheorie noemen hebben het toch echt niet begrepen of willen dat niet.

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Op dinsdag 26 november 2019 20:49 schreef Ulx het volgende:

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thehill twitterde op dinsdag 26-11-2019 om 19:38:43 #BREAKING: New docs show White House ordered hold on Ukraine aid same day Trump talked with Zelensky https://t.co/0y8P59bFxl https://t.co/HLZGc8p3MH reageer retweet

Whoah

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President Trump had already been briefed on a whistle-blower’s complaint about his dealings with Ukraine when he unfroze military aid for the country in September, according to two people familiar with the matter.

Lawyers from the White House counsel’s office told Mr. Trump in late August about the complaint, explaining that they were trying to determine whether they were legally required to give it to Congress, the people said.

The revelation could shed light on Mr. Trump’s thinking at two critical points under scrutiny by impeachment investigators: his decision in early September to release $391 million in security assistance to Ukraine and his denial to a key ambassador around the same time that there was a “quid pro quo” with Kyiv. Mr. Trump used the phrase before it had entered the public lexicon in the Ukraine affair.

Mr. Trump faced bipartisan pressure from Congress when he released the aid. But the new timing detail shows that he was also aware at the time that the whistle-blower had accused him of wrongdoing in withholding the aid and in his broader campaign to pressure Ukraine’s new president, Volodymyr Zelensky, to conduct investigations that could benefit Mr. Trump’s re-election chances.

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MichaelCBender twitterde op woensdag 27-11-2019 om 05:05:04 Trump knew about the whistleblower complaint before lifting the hold on $391m in aid to Ukraine. Matching the earlier report from the NYT crew: https://t.co/FNzvFXhK3c reageer retweet

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Two officials at the White House Office of Management and Budget recently resigned in part over concerns about the holdup on Ukraine aid, a career employee of the agency told impeachment investigators, according to a transcript of his testimony released Tuesday.

Mark Sandy, the only OMB official to testify in the impeachment inquiry, did not name the employees in question. He said one worked in the OMB legal division and described that person as having a “dissenting opinion” about how the security assistance to Ukraine could be held up in light of the Impoundment Control Act, which limits the ability of the executive branch to change spending decisions made by Congress.

Sandy, the agency’s deputy associate director for national security programs, testified on Nov. 16, and his remarks revealed some of the White House’s internal maneuverings relating to blocking the aid. Other White House officials, including Sandy’s superiors at the budget office who are political appointees, have defied congressional subpoenas to participate in the House Democrats’ impeachment inquiry.

Sandy was asked specifically about whether the official who worked in the OMB’s legal office quit “at least in part because of their concerns or frustrations about the hold on Ukraine security assistance.” Sandy replied, “Yes, in terms of that process, in part.”

He said the other official, who resigned in September, “expressed some frustrations about not understanding the reason for the hold.”

The release of Sandy’s testimony came as House Democrats on Tuesday took steps forward in their impeachment inquiry into President Trump’s actions, with the judiciary panel scheduling its first hearing for Dec. 4 and the budget panel releasing a report alleging that the White House broke the law when it withheld money from Ukraine.

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Op woensdag 27 november 2019 04:46 schreef Kijkertje het volgende:
NOVEMBER 2019: Asked what Giuliani was doing in Ukraine, Trump said: “You have to ask that to Rudy.”

APRIL 2018: Asked why Michael Cohen paid off Stormy Daniels, Trump said: “You’ll have to ask Michael.”

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Op dinsdag 26 november 2019 06:26 schreef Ulx het volgende:

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thehill twitterde op dinsdag 26-11-2019 om 05:23:50 "I'm curious why wasn't it done a long time ago? And also, I guess the answer to that is because now I'm president, we get things done."President Trump signs the Woman's Suffrage Centennial Coin Act. https://t.co/jkcOCzQyNa reageer retweet

Kan iemand hem uitleggen dat....och laat ook maar. Te dom om te poepen.

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After working his way through the prepared remarks, Trump interjected with his own riff. “They’ve been working on this for years and years,” he said, suddenly wondering, “And I’m curious, why wasn’t it done a long time ago, and also — well, I guess the answer to that is because now I’m president, and we get things done. We get a lot of things done that nobody else got done.”

The task of explaining to Trump that “centennial” means “100th anniversary” fell to Republican Senator Marsha Blackburn. Blackburn gently recounted that the bill worked its way through both chambers of Congress. As is usually the case with symbolic bills observing now-uncontroversial events, this one met with no opposition whatsoever. “We passed it out of the Senate with every single senator voting for it in June,” she noted, at which point Trump — apparently unfamiliar with the common practice of unanimous votes for these kinds of things — interjected, “Wow.” She proceeded to note that “August 18th, 1920 is when the 19th Amendment was ratified.”

Mystery solved! They’re observing the women’s suffrage centennial now because next year is the centennial. That is how time works.

Even after this clear accounting, Trump nonetheless was still confused. “So why wasn’t this done a long time ago — years ago?,” he asked again.

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Op woensdag 27 november 2019 09:20 schreef AnneX het volgende:
Foutje van een staffer:
..” The Texas GOP mistakenly sent their 2020 plans to Democrats last night in embarrassing detail, including a target list of districts they're focusing negative ads on and warning of Trump's unpopularity with moderates.”...

https://mobile.twitter.com/politidope/status/1199431957098246144

Quote: “ The Texas Republican Party mistakenly sent a document laying out their upcoming 2020 primary and general election plans to Democrats Monday evening, including a target list of 12 statehouse districts they are focusing negative ads on ahead of next year's elections. In a move The Dallas Morning News described as the party's latest "bizarre political blunder," the internal strategy email offered advice on how to counter the "narrative driven by Democrats" about the GOP's lack of diversity as well as a timeline for a rollout of websites which will bash specific Democratic opponents.”

https://www.newsweek.com/(...)tter_impression=true

Wie zei hier “ té dom om te poepen”.
(alhoewel er vast wel sneaky ways en leakers zijn, nu out in the open)

Inmiddels de comments gelezen: 3 x is scheepsrecht blijkbaar.

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Op woensdag 27 november 2019 06:48 schreef crystal_meth het volgende:
Timeline: Rep. Devin Nunes and Ukraine Disinformation Efforts
(contacten tussen oa Giuliani, Nunes, Parnas, Fruman, Solomon, Lutsenko, Shokin, Firtash, Toensing, diGenova...)

_{Just Security is based at the Center for Human Rights and Global Justice at New York University School of Law. Steve Vladeck, a law professor at American University and a contributing editor to Lawfare; and Ryan Goodman, a law professor and co-chair of the Center for Human Rights and Global Justice at New York University School of Law, are co-editors-in-chief of the blog.}

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Op woensdag 27 november 2019 09:41 schreef icecreamfarmer_NL het volgende:

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Maar hoe doe je zoiets verkeerd? Leken de emailadressen op elkaar?

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Op woensdag 27 november 2019 09:50 schreef vipergts het volgende:

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Dat hebben ze niet verkeerd gedaan. Dit is een zet in het spel om de democraten op het verkeerde been te zetten.

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Op woensdag 27 november 2019 08:44 schreef crystal_meth het volgende:

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http://nymag.com/intellig(...)erved-years-ago.html

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Op woensdag 27 november 2019 10:09 schreef KoosVogels het volgende:

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Ik kan er met mijn verstand niet bij dat complete volksstammen enthousiast worden van zo'n imbeciel als regeringsleider. Er valt voldoende aan te merken op onze eigen Mark Rutte, maar hij is tenminste geen ongelezen, ongeïnformeerde volidioot.

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Op woensdag 27 november 2019 09:46 schreef ExtraWaskracht het volgende:

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Dat Solomon daar onderdeel van uit heeft gemaakt had ik nog niet zo scherp op de radar. Blijkt maar weer eens dat Solomon niet bepaald de onafhankelijke onderzoeksjournalist is die sommigen denken dat hij is. Heeft hij geschreven over wat er zoal besproken is?

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The group, according to Bondy,  included Giuliani, Parnas, the journalist Solomon, and the married attorneys Joe diGenova and Victoria Toensing. Parnas said that Harvey would occasionally be present as well, and that it was Parnas' understanding that Harvey was Nunes' proxy, Bondy said. 
Solomon confirmed the meetings to CNN but said that calling the group a team was a bit of a mischaracterization. Solomon said that connectivity happened more organically, and that his role was only as a journalist reporting a story. 
Solomon also said that Di Genova and Toensing, his lawyers, introduced him to Parnas as a facilitator and interpreter in early March. "Parnas was very helpful to me in getting Ukraine officials on the record," Solomon told CNN. "I only gradually realized Lev was working for other people, including Rudy Giuliani."
Solomon insists he was only reporting on a story as it unfolded, "Any suggestion that I was involved in any campaign to pressure Ukraine or the United States government to take any actions is categorically false," Solomon said.

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Op woensdag 27 november 2019 10:16 schreef xpompompomx het volgende:

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Het lijkt me ook niet onaannemelijk dat de types die, hier in NL, zo met Trump dwepen helemaal buiten zinnen zouden zijn als een Rutte, of nog beter een Klaver, zich Trumpiaans zou gedragen in Den Haag. Misschien zijn ze wel bang dat als ze Trump afvallen ze dan misschien ook wel Baudet en Wildersje zouden afvallen.

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Op woensdag 27 november 2019 10:18 schreef KoosVogels het volgende:

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De verklaring is nog vele malen eenvoudiger. Nederlandse Trump-fans hebben zichzelf en hun omgeving in 2016 wijsgemaakt dat Trump de beste president ooit wordt in de geschiedenis van de VS. Het is nogal pijnlijk om toe te moeten geven dat je de plank volledig missloeg.

Chuck Norris' dire warning for America - 2012

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“No reasonable person would believe that Devin Nunes’ cow actually has a Twitter account, or that the hyperbole, satire and cow-related jokes it posts are serious facts,” reads the filing in Virginia’s Henrico County Circuit Court. “It is self-evident that cows are domesticated livestock animals and do not have the intelligence, language, or opposable digits needed to operate a Twitter account. Defendant ‘Devin Nunes’ Mom’ likewise posts satirical patronizing, nagging, mothering comments which ostensibly treat Mr. Nunes as a misbehaving child.”
https://www.sacbee.com/ne(...)rticle237802609.html

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Op woensdag 27 november 2019 10:49 schreef Tweek het volgende:

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Het zijn gewoon mensen die zich zelf zien in het beeld dat van Trump is geschept. Succesvol, zegt wat hij denkt etc. Dat ga je niet afvallen, want dan val je jezelf af, dan moet je toegeven dat je er naast zat en de problemen die je hebt door jezelf komen. Liever een ander de schuld geven.

Van die mensen die Chuck Norris nog steeds geweldig vinden, omdat hij een stoere meme was.

Chuck Norris' dire warning for America - 2012

Dan krijg je mensen die geloven in 1000 years of darkness als een democraat de macht heeft en homo's mogen trouwen.