[AMV] Amerikaanse politiek #617 Mueller Time

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Op vrijdag 19 april 2019 19:29 schreef Korenfok het volgende:

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Ja het is een idioot en ja het is niet zuiver. Maar stiekem vind ik deze dan foto dan wel weer leuk. Trump heeft wel zelf spot dat is duidelijk.

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Op vrijdag 19 april 2019 20:44 schreef Tijger_m het volgende:

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Nee, dat heeft hij niet, dat is serieus bedoeld.

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Op vrijdag 19 april 2019 21:17 schreef Tijger_m het volgende:

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Zo'n plaatje maken gaat Donald niet lukken, nee, msichien dat hij zijn cyber expert Barron heeft ingeschakeld?

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Op vrijdag 19 april 2019 21:21 schreef AnneX het volgende:
Retweet van W.H.
Flotus:...”Many blessings to all around the world celebrating #GoodFriday”..
( op trump golf course)
Eerste reactie: ...”No one celebrates #GoodFriday, ma'am. They observe it. It's a solemn holiday, not a joyous one...”

# beetjedomdus.

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Op vrijdag 19 april 2019 21:35 schreef Toby56 het volgende:

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Zeker niet. Toen ik nog kerkte, werd Goede Vrijdag inderdaad gevierd.
Het is niet voor niets een 'Goede' Vrijdag.
Naar de kerk voor de Goede Vrijdagviering inclusief kruisverering. Ik zal het niet licht vergeten.

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Op vrijdag 19 april 2019 21:43 schreef ExtraWaskracht het volgende:

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Verschilt dat niet per denominatie? Ik ben zelf niet gelovig, maar om nou te vieren dat Christus stierf is iets waarbij ik me voor kan stellen dat dat niet overal gebeurt... ?!

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Op vrijdag 19 april 2019 19:22 schreef Montov het volgende:
Trump heeft druk uitgeoefend op mensen om niet aan het onderzoek mee te werken; hij heeft meerdere malen gelogen om het onderzoek op een verkeerd spoor te zetten; hij heeft geprobeerd het onderzoek te stoppen maar doordat andere mensen zijn opdracht niet uitvoerden faalde dat. Dat zijn keiharde conclusies in het Mueller rapport.

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Op vrijdag 19 april 2019 19:29 schreef Korenfok het volgende:

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Ja het is een idioot en ja het is niet zuiver. Maar stiekem vind ik deze dan foto dan wel weer leuk. Trump heeft wel zelf spot dat is duidelijk.

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Op vrijdag 19 april 2019 21:52 schreef speknek het volgende:
Het is niet zo'n blije feestdag als kerst, maar het is wel een feestdag. De belangrijkste technisch. Het sterven en wederopstaan is immers voor (veel) Christenen de essentiële gebeurtenis waardoor de wet vervuld werd en de hemelpoorten opengingen voor niet-Joden en zondaars.

Dat gegeven mag gevierd worden.

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Op vrijdag 19 april 2019 21:58 schreef Toby56 het volgende:

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-snip-

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The Mueller report puts it beyond dispute: Trump is profoundly corrupt
By Paul Waldman

Now that we finally have the (redacted) report from Robert S. Mueller III’s investigation into the Russia scandal, we have many questions to confront, such as whether President Trump should be impeached. But the report has also given us many answers, and it’s worthwhile to step back and take careful note of what it has clarified.

There are some things that were matters of dispute or insufficiently documented before, but are no longer in question. Let’s run through them:

Vladimir Putin very much wanted Trump to become president of the United States, and undertook a comprehensive campaign to make sure it happened. At this point, Trump might be the only person left in America who disagrees with this fact — or pretends to, anyway — but Mueller’s report makes it irrefutable.

Trump, his family and his campaign may not have set up a criminal conspiracy to cooperate with Russia, but they were eager to accept the help. This, too, was widely known, but Mueller provides exhaustive detail on just how enthusiastic Trump and those around him were about Russia’s interference in the election: There were not just extensive contacts with Russians they hoped would help them; they also gleefully welcomed Russia’s cybertheft from Democrats. As the Lawfare team puts it, the best that can be said of them is that “the Russians and the Trump campaign shared a common goal, and each side worked to achieve that goal with basic knowledge of the other side’s intention.”

The president’s attempts to obstruct justice were comprehensive and far-reaching. Mueller’s report documents in extensive detail the actions Trump took to subvert the investigation, including urging officials to pressure the FBI, trying to fire the special counsel and lying to the public. We can argue about the degree to which Trump could be held legally accountable or whether the intervention of his aides (or more often, their refusal to act) kept those actions from crossing the line into criminality. But there is no longer any question that Trump attempted to obstruct justice.

Everyone around the president, and the president himself, acted as though they had something to hide on Russia. Donald Trump Jr. lied about the infamous Trump Tower meeting. George Papadopoulos lied to the FBI about the outreach from Russia that began the investigation. Michael Flynn lied to the FBI about his contacts with the Russian ambassador. Michael Cohen lied to Congress about the effort to secure Trump a multimillion-dollar deal to build a tower in Moscow. Paul Manafort lied about his relationship to the likely Russian intelligence asset to whom he passed polling data. Roger Stone allegedly lied about his contacts with WikiLeaks. President Trump lied seemingly every time Russia came up. If they were all innocent, they certainly weren’t acting like it.

Trump regularly instructs aides to lie to the public. Trump told Rod Rosenstein to claim that firing James Comey was his idea. Rosenstein refused, but Sean Spicer later told the lie to the press. Trump dictated a false statement to Hope Hicks for Trump Jr. to release about the infamous Trump Tower meeting. He instructed Donald McGahn to arrange for Mueller to be fired, then when the news got out, told McGahn to publicly deny it. He told Reince Priebus to tell K.T. McFarland to write a false email claiming that Trump never spoke to Flynn about Flynn’s conversations with the Russian ambassador. If you’re having trouble following all this, that’s okay — the point is that Trump regularly ordered his aides to lie; sometimes they complied, and sometimes they didn’t.

There are also doubtless times when Trump aides lie on their own initiative, within a White House culture in which lying is just what everyone does. Sarah Sanders claimed that “countless” FBI agents contacted the White House to express support for the firing of Comey; she admitted to investigators that this was false (though she now claims it was a “slip of the tongue,” another obvious lie).

Nearly everything Trump called “fake news” turned out to be true. While news outlets might have made the occasional mistake (as they do on any story), over and over again important revelations were greeted by the president with the cry of “Fake news!”, only to be corroborated by the Mueller report. For instance, Trump claimed that reports that he had shooed other officials from the room so that he could speak to Comey about Flynn were fake; Mueller concludes that the known facts "support Comey’s description of the event.” Trump called reports that he ordered Mueller’s firing fake; these are extensively documented in the report.

Trump has no concern about whether his actions are illegal or unethical. While we have a lengthy record demonstrating Trump’s unethical and even lawbreaking ways — running scams that steal people’s life savings, abusing small businesspeople, committing tax fraud — the Mueller report documents how he brought that lack of moral compass to the Oval Office. It shows his boundless willingness to lie and have others lie for him, his complete disregard for any norm of integrity or propriety, and his belief that the entire U.S. government exists to serve his personal ends.

There were times when those around him, struck by a sudden attack of conscience or pushed beyond even their rather flexible limits, decide to push back: "The President's efforts to influence the investigation were mostly unsuccessful, but that is largely because the persons who surrounded the President declined to carry out orders or accede to his requests." But it leaves little doubt about who the president is and what kind of administration he is running.

This is a president who is deeply, profoundly corrupt in every sense of the word. While we can argue about what should be done about the facts laid out in the Mueller report, that is no longer in doubt.

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Op vrijdag 19 april 2019 22:00 schreef Knipoogje het volgende:

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Yup. Mueller vindt dit ook best wel obstructie, maar aangezien e.e.a. nogal onbekend terrein is voor iedereen (het is immers ongekend wat hier wordt uitgevoerd) laat ie de conclusie graag over aan congres. Daar dacht Barr echter anders over, pakte snel de bal en gooide hem vlug in de korf voor het fluitsignaal.

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EricHolder twitterde op vrijdag 19-04-2019 om 17:14:07 ANY competent public corruption prosecutor would bring obstruction charges against Trump/and win. Only reason Mueller did not was because of the flawed DOJ restriction against indicting a sitting President. He said so (below). Congress now has a constitutional responsibility. https://t.co/SkntzjfS5G reageer retweet

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Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer are rejecting an offer from Attorney General William Barr to view a significantly less-redacted version of special counsel Robert Mueller’s report, contending that Barr is too severely limiting the number of lawmakers who can view it.

“Given the comprehensive factual findings presented by the special counsel’s report, some of which will only be fully understood with access to the redacted material, we cannot agree to the conditions you are placing on our access to the full report,” Pelosi, Schumer and other senior House and Senate Democratic committee chairs wrote in a letter to Barr on Friday.

The Democrats say Barr’s offer, which would allow just 12 senior lawmakers and certain staffers to see the fuller version of the report, also fails to guarantee lawmakers access to grand jury material. They say they’re open to “discussing a reasonable accommodation” but that members of investigative committees — such as the Judiciary Committee and Intelligence Committee in each chamber — require access as well.

“While the current proposal is not workable, we are open to discussing a reasonable accommodation with the Department that would protect law enforcement sensitive information while allowing Congress to fulfill its constitutional duties,” they write.

In addition to Pelosi and Schumer, the letter is signed by House Judiciary Committee Chairman Jerry Nadler (D-N.Y.), Senate Judiciary Committee Ranking Member Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.), House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff (D-Calif.), and Senate Intelligence Committee Vice Chairman Mark Warner (D-Va.).

A spokesperson for House Judiciary Committee Republicans blasted Democrats’ decision to decline the briefing.

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Op zaterdag 20 april 2019 00:35 schreef Kijkertje het volgende:

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Mueller zou daarmee tegen het advies van de OLC ingegaan zijn dat een zittende president niet aangeklaagd kan worden.

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EricHolder twitterde op vrijdag 19-04-2019 om 17:14:07 ANY competent public corruption prosecutor would bring obstruction charges against Trump/and win. Only reason Mueller did not was because of the flawed DOJ restriction against indicting a sitting President. He said so (below). Congress now has a constitutional responsibility. https://t.co/SkntzjfS5G reageer retweet

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Persoonlijk lijkt me het de plicht van het Congres om een incompetente, obstructie plegende president te impeachen, ook al komt het het je politiek gezien even niet uit.

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kylegriffin1 twitterde op zaterdag 20-04-2019 om 01:15:09 Judiciary Chairman Jerry Nadler: "We will have major hearing. Barr and Mueller are just the first. We will call many other people, we’ll see who they are. And we will get to the bottom of this and we will educate the country as to what went on."https://t.co/DtcXos3kEE reageer retweet

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House Judiciary Chairman Jerrold Nadler said the day after the Mueller report’s release that he will hold televised hearings on President Trump’s alleged misconduct in office before considering impeachment. “We will have major hearings,” Nadler told WNYC. “Barr and Mueller are just the first. We will call many other people, we’ll see who they are.” Nadler has asked the attorney general and special counsel to testify next month. When asked if he was considering charging Trump in Congress, Nadler was noncommittal. “The idea is not whether to debate articles of impeachment,” he said. “The idea is to find out exactly what went on, who did what, what institutional safeguards were gotten around and how they were gotten around, and then decide what to do about it.” Nadler subpoenaed Barr for the un-redacted Mueller report and underlying evidence on Friday.