[AMV] Amerikaanse politiek #532 Donald John Zoidberg

Ik moet trouwens wel zeggen dat ik de ogenschijnlijke leugen van Carlson wel raar vind ... een bedreven leugenaar met enige intelligentie liegt normaal gesproken niet over iets wat heel makkelijk controleerbaar is in enkele dagen, zou ik denken?!

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Op maandag 23 juli 2018 20:44 schreef ExtraWaskracht het volgende:

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KlasfeldReports twitterde op maandag 23-07-2018 om 20:42:05 BREAKING: There isn’t just one audio file in the Michael Cohen matter.There are at least 12, and prosecutors got them on Friday - when the Times story ran on one of them. [ afbeelding ] reageer retweet

Dus Abramson had weer gelijk

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Op maandag 23 juli 2018 21:24 schreef Szura het volgende:

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Dus Abramson had weer gelijk

Yups en hij was al een tijd behoorlijk kritisch op de berichtgeving van Maggie Haberman. Ze heeft nu aangekondigd met haar twitterfeed te minderen.

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kylegriffin1 twitterde op maandag 23-07-2018 om 21:40:00 James Clapper on CNN: "I don't get the briefings. I don't have access to classified info ... Haven't had a case to use it and has no bearing whatsoever on my regard or lack thereof for President Trump or what he's doing ... I think this is just a very, very petty thing to do." reageer retweet

Kinderachtig is het juiste woord

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Op maandag 23 juli 2018 21:22 schreef ExtraWaskracht het volgende:
Ik moet trouwens wel zeggen dat ik de ogenschijnlijke leugen van Carlson wel raar vind ... een bedreven leugenaar met enige intelligentie liegt normaal gesproken niet over iets wat heel makkelijk controleerbaar is in enkele dagen, zou ik denken?!

Kan ook nog steeds gebeuren, dus om 'm nu hard voor leugenaar uit te maken. Straks krijgt Podesta toch immuniteit en komt het andere kamp je weer hard uitlachen...

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Op maandag 23 juli 2018 21:26 schreef Kijkertje het volgende:

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Yups en hij was al een tijd behoorlijk kritisch op de berichtgeving van Maggie Haberman. Ze heeft nu aangekondigd met haar twitterfeed te minderen.

Maar slechts 1 audiotape met Trump las ik ergens.

Comey en McCabe hebben klaarblijkelijk geen eens clearance meer om in te trekken. Nu was het sowieso wel kinderachtig en een red herring, maar volstrekt uit de lucht gegrepen ook dus kennelijk.

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Op maandag 23 juli 2018 22:29 schreef Knipoogje het volgende:

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Kan ook nog steeds gebeuren, dus om 'm nu hard voor leugenaar uit te maken. Straks krijgt Podesta toch immuniteit en komt het andere kamp je weer hard uitlachen...

Ja, pcies, maar voor de duidelijkheid nam ik wel een slag om de arm en was het voor de uitspraken van Carlson al bekend dat het hier om vijf getuigen met immuniteit ging.

Overigens kun je je in dat geval wel afvragen wie dat dan had moeten lekken. Zowel team Mueller als Podesta zouden echt 0 incentive hebben om het te lekken...laat staan naar Tucker Carlson...

Misschien maar enige speculatie: Mueller&co verdachten een lek ergens en lieten dit stukje misinformatie slingeren? Dan heeft Carlson niet gelogen, wat bizar opzichtig zou zijn geweest, maar zou het alsnog onwaar zijn.

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Op maandag 23 juli 2018 22:33 schreef Klaphark het volgende:

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Maar slechts 1 audiotape met Trump las ik ergens.

Ik las wat anders:

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jimsciutto twitterde op vrijdag 20-07-2018 om 18:51:13 There are more tapes: Michael Cohen had other recordings of the president in his records that were seized by the FBI, according to Rudy Giuliani & source with knowledge of Cohen’s tapes, per @DanaBashCNN ⁦@GloriaBorger⁩ https://t.co/WZCk715rCg reageer retweet

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LannyDavis twitterde op maandag 23-07-2018 om 22:11:58 Latest news @MichaelCohen212 tapes of conversations are being released by @realDonaldTrump & his legal team who own and waived the privilege. Will @RudyGiuliani call these tapes “exculpatory” again? As I noted before, the tapes will speak for themselves – spin can’t change facts. reageer retweet

Trump en Rudy hebben die tapes inderdaad zelf naar buiten gebracht.

Allemaal onderdeel van het 4D schaakspel.

Een jaar geleden.

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Op dinsdag 24 juli 2018 00:26 schreef Nintex het volgende:
Trump en Rudy hebben die tapes inderdaad zelf naar buiten gebracht.

Allemaal onderdeel van het 4D schaakspel.

Word je niet moe van jelelf. Er is geen schaak, hij is gewoon stupide.

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JZarif twitterde op maandag 23-07-2018 om 21:04:45 COLOR US UNIMPRESSED: The world heard even harsher bluster a few months ago. And Iranians have heard them —albeit more civilized ones—for 40 yrs. We’ve been around for millennia & seen fall of empires, incl our own, which lasted more than the life of some countries. BE CAUTIOUS! reageer retweet

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Op dinsdag 24 juli 2018 01:27 schreef Kijkertje het volgende:

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JZarif twitterde op maandag 23-07-2018 om 21:04:45 COLOR US UNIMPRESSED: The world heard even harsher bluster a few months ago. And Iranians have heard them —albeit more civilized ones—for 40 yrs. We’ve been around for millennia & seen fall of empires, incl our own, which lasted more than the life of some countries. BE CAUTIOUS! reageer retweet

Trump had het over montenegro, maar Iran aanvallen. Dat is echt WW3, ze hebben een bizar leger.

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Op dinsdag 24 juli 2018 01:32 schreef Boze_Appel het volgende:

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Trump had het over montenegro, maar Iran aanvallen. Dat is echt WW3, ze hebben een bizar leger.

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Pompeo stopped short of calling for regime change, but he announced stepped-up U.S. government broadcasting in Farsi that is likely to foment further unrest against the government.

He said the U.S. Broadcasting Board of Governors is taking steps to circumvent Internet censorship in Iran and creating a round-the-clock Farsi channel across television, radio, digital and social media formats, “so that ordinary Iranians inside Iran and around the globe will know that America stands with them.”

Bron

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Op maandag 23 juli 2018 23:20 schreef Kijkertje het volgende:

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LannyDavis twitterde op maandag 23-07-2018 om 22:11:58 Latest news @MichaelCohen212 tapes of conversations are being released by @realDonaldTrump & his legal team who own and waived the privilege. Will @RudyGiuliani call these tapes “exculpatory” again? As I noted before, the tapes will speak for themselves – spin can’t change facts. reageer retweet

Is dit de vlucht naar voren?

Ik snap echt bijster weinig van Trump's beslissingen omtrent de tapes.

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kylegriffin1 twitterde op dinsdag 24-07-2018 om 02:20:02 Ex-Associate deputy attorney general David Kris: "The Nunes memo accused the FBI of dishonesty in failing to disclose information about Steele, but in fact the Nunes memo itself was dishonest in failing to disclose what the FBI disclosed." https://t.co/XsEfrhBDoh reageer retweet

What to Make of the Carter Page FISA Applications

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The Carter Page FISAs are out via the Freedom of Information Act. Here are a few observations, relatively brief but still just a bit too long for Twitter.

First, a huge amount of information is redacted in these FISA applications, but they still represent a monumental disclosure to the public. The government considers FISA applications to be very sensitive—and their disclosure, even heavily redacted, may have long-term, programmatic consequences long after we’re finished with President Trump. The government seems to have accepted that FOIA applies to FISA. Without taking a position on the issue it made me recall this Lawfare post that argues to the contrary.

Second, for those who don’t remember, the controversy about these FISA applications first arose in February when House intelligence committee Chairman Rep. Devin Nunes released a memo claiming that the FBI misled the FISA Court about Christopher Steele, the former British secret agent who compiled the “dossier” on Trump-Russia ties and who was a source of information in the FISA applications on Page. The main complaint in the Nunes memo was that FBI whitewashed Steele—that the FISA applications did not “disclose or reference the role of the DNC, Clinton campaign, or any party/campaign in funding Steele’s efforts, even though the political origins of the Steele dossier were then known to senior and FBI officials.”

In response to the Nunes memo, the Democrats on the committee released their own memo. That memo quoted from parts of the FISA applications, including a footnote in which the FBI explained that Steele was hired to “conduct research regarding Candidate #1,” Donald Trump, and Trump’s “ties to Russia,” and that the man who hired him was “likely looking for information that could be used to discredit [Trump’s] campaign.”

Based on this back and forth between the HPSCI partisans, I wrote on Lawfare at the time that the FBI’s disclosures on Steele “amply satisfie[d] the requirements” for FISA applications, and that the central irony of the Nunes memo was that it “tried to deceive the American people in precisely the same way that it falsely accused the FBI of deceiving the FISA Court.” The Nunes memo accused the FBI of dishonesty in failing to disclose information about Steele, but in fact the Nunes memo itself was dishonest in failing to disclose what the FBI disclosed. I said then, and I still believe, that the “Nunes memo was dishonest. And if it is allowed to stand, we risk significant collateral damage to essential elements of our democracy.”

Now we have some additional information in the form of the redacted FISA applications themselves, and the Nunes memo looks even worse. In my earlier post, I observed that the FBI’s disclosures about Steele were contained in a footnote, but argued that this did not detract from their sufficiency: “As someone who has read and approved many FISA applications and dealt extensively with the FISA Court, I will anticipate and reject a claim that the disclosure was somehow insufficient because it appeared in a footnote; in my experience, the court reads the footnotes.” Now we can see that the footnote disclosing Steele’s possible bias takes up more than a full page in the applications, so there is literally no way the FISA Court could have missed it. The FBI gave the court enough information to evaluate Steele’s credibility.

There’s also more detail on the previous disclosure from the House intelligence committee Democrats’ memo on how Steele went to the press with the “dossier” when FBI Director James Comey sent his October 2016 letter to Congress disclosing the possible newfound importance of the Weiner laptop in the Clinton investigation. According to the FISA applications, Steele complained that Comey’s action could influence the election. But when Steele went to the press, it caused FBI to close him out as an informant—facts which are disclosed and cross-referenced in the footnote in bold text.

While I am sure people will try, my initial impression is that with all the redactions it is going to be very tough to figure out the full scope of information supporting the Court’s repeated finding of probable cause to believe that Carter Page was an agent of Russia. There is a mention of two Russians, one of whom pleaded guilty to being an unregistered agent of a foreign government and was sentenced to 30 months, but even that is disconnected from the redacted discussion that precedes it. Substantively, the government seems to have hewed as closely to the prior disclosures as it could in applying FOIA.

But it is worth noting that—and as the Democrats previously pointed out—the judges who signed off on these four FISA applications were all appointed by Republican presidents, including one George H.W. Bush appointee (Anne Conway), two George W. Bush appointees (Rosemary Collyer and Michael Mosman) and one Reagan appointee (Raymond Dearie). I know some of those judges, and they certainly are not the types to let partisan politics affect their legal judgments.

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Op dinsdag 24 juli 2018 02:49 schreef westwoodblvd het volgende:

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Is dit de vlucht naar voren?

Ik snap echt bijster weinig van Trump's beslissingen omtrent de tapes.

Draadje Abramson hierover:

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SethAbramson twitterde op zaterdag 21-07-2018 om 19:22:39 Yesterday I said Team Trump might have allowed this tape (or a summary of it) into the public sphere because it *knew* the tape would get out eventually and wanted to start spinning now. It appears I was right. This is a desperate gambit you only use when there's no other option. https://t.co/h6xEj9hFep reageer retweet

En bovendien leidt het natuurlijk lekker af van zijn Helsinki debacle....

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U.S. judge allows lawsuit over end of immigrant protections to proceed

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A federal judge in Boston on Monday rejected a bid by the Trump administration to dismiss a lawsuit alleging that its decisions to end temporary protections for immigrants in the United States from Honduras, Haiti and El Salvador were racially motivated.

U.S. District Judge Denise Casper in Boston ruled that a group of immigrants and two organizations could move forward with a lawsuit challenging the administration’s termination of the protective status enjoyed by thousands of people from those three countries.

She said the lawsuit’s allegations about “statements of animus” by officials including President Donald Trump coupled with claims about a shift in policy “allege plausibly that a discriminatory purpose was a motivating factor in a decision.”

The lawsuit cited statements it said showed Trump’s “dislike and disregard for Latino and black immigrants,” including reported remarks in January by Trump saying immigrants from Africa and Haiti come from “shithole countries.”

“Plaintiffs have successfully made out their prima facie case,” Casper wrote.

SPOILER

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Oeps...


Fox News booked the wrong Democrat on a show. She used the spotlight to unload on Trump.

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A Massachusetts state senator who opposes President Trump’s immigration policies was mistakenly booked on Fox News, and she used the airtime to criticize Trump's “illegal and inhumane” treatment of migrant families crossing the U.S.-Mexico border.

Barbara L’Italien, a Democrat, appeared Monday on “Fox & Friends First” instead of the intended guest, Democratic congressional candidate Ann Kirkpatrick, who has publicly supported U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement. A spokesman for L’Italien said in a statement that “due to a Fox News error,” L’Italien was contacted and asked to share her views on ICE and decided to use the opportunity to “make a statement straight to Trump.”

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Op dinsdag 24 juli 2018 05:34 schreef Kijkertje het volgende:
Oeps...

Fox & Friends First accidentally books Barbara L'Italien

Fox News booked the wrong Democrat on a show. She used the spotlight to unload on Trump.

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Haha, die reactie van die woordvoerder die dit heeft opgezet:

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When asked whether he had sent Kirkpatrick’s background information and campaign logo to the network, Katz said in an email: “I showed the exact same commitment to the truth and accuracy that Fox News always has.

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Op dinsdag 24 juli 2018 05:34 schreef Kijkertje het volgende:
Oeps...

Fox & Friends First accidentally books Barbara L'Italien

Fox News booked the wrong Democrat on a show. She used the spotlight to unload on Trump.

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"that didn't go as planned"

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Op maandag 23 juli 2018 17:13 schreef Ulx het volgende:

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Samengevat:

"Omdat Obama niet juist reageerde moet men Trump niets kwalijk nemen."

Zwak argument.

heel zwak idd

Wel weer een perfecte afleidings strategie met die revoked security clearance. The base needs to be informed with nothingburgers want stel je voor ...

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Op dinsdag 24 juli 2018 00:49 schreef Boze_Appel het volgende:

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Word je niet moe van jelelf. Er is geen schaak, hij is gewoon stupide.

Trump is zelf een paard op het bord. Een actor, useful idiot door de krachten achter hem: De Mercers bijv. en Russische interests. De NRA, olielobby's.

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Op dinsdag 24 juli 2018 13:27 schreef Ulx het volgende:

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realDonaldTrump twitterde op dinsdag 24-07-2018 om 13:09:12 Countries that have treated us unfairly on trade for years are all coming to Washington to negotiate. This should have taken place many years ago but,as the saying goes, better late than never! reageer retweet

Waar heeft hij het nou weer over?

Juncker is morgen in Washington

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Op dinsdag 24 juli 2018 13:33 schreef Ulx het volgende:

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realDonaldTrump twitterde op dinsdag 24-07-2018 om 13:29:50 Tariffs are the greatest! Either a country which has treated the United States unfairly on Trade negotiates a fair deal, or it gets hit with Tariffs. It’s as simple as that - and everybody’s talking! Remember, we are the “piggy bank” that’s being robbed. All will be Great! reageer retweet

Dit komt op mij echt over als iemand die vooral zichzelf probeert te overtuigen.

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Op dinsdag 24 juli 2018 12:42 schreef Knipoogje het volgende:

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Trump is zelf een paard op het bord. Een actor, useful idiot door de krachten achter hem: De Mercers bijv. en Russische interests. De NRA, olielobby's.

Ik denk eerder dat Fox News network zijn platte muil aanstuurt.

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Op dinsdag 24 juli 2018 13:42 schreef DustPuppy het volgende:

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Dit komt op mij echt over als iemand die vooral zichzelf probeert te overtuigen.

casino gelul van iemand die er een paar bankroet heeft laten gaan.

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Op dinsdag 24 juli 2018 13:27 schreef Ulx het volgende:

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realDonaldTrump twitterde op dinsdag 24-07-2018 om 13:09:12 Countries that have treated us unfairly on trade for years are all coming to Washington to negotiate. This should have taken place many years ago but,as the saying goes, better late than never! reageer retweet

Waar heeft hij het nou weer over?

Zou hij beseffen dat er jarenlang is onderhandeld over TTIP, maar dat hij er een streep doorheen heeft gezet?

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Op dinsdag 24 juli 2018 13:33 schreef Chewie het volgende:
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Ik kan hier als conservatief erg om lachen.

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Op dinsdag 24 juli 2018 14:05 schreef martijnde3de het volgende:

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Ik kan hier als conservatief erg om lachen.

Iedereen lacht om Trumpsupporters ja.

Het is soms wel een moderne Romeinse keizer qua onvoorspelbaarheid. Denk dat mensen die wat met hem van doen hebben zich soms voelen zoals een legaat deed als hij bij Nero moest langskomen.

Long read:

To Beat Trump, Get a Grip
Democrats won’t win in 2020 by calling him a ‘traitor’ and doubling down on identity politics.
By Ted Van Dyk the wall street journal

Democrats are determined to remove President Trump from office in 2020—or before, if that becomes possible. If precedent holds, he can be unseated in 2020 by a candidate perceived as his opposite: experienced, serious, knowledgeable about policy. If Democrats attempt to rush the process, amid current charges that Mr. Trump is a “traitor” and Russian agent and that his Supreme Court nominee is an extremist, they will further energize their take-it-to-the-streets wing but alienate all but partisan Northeast and Pacific Coast voters.

The present political and media rage over Mr. Trump’s alleged sellout to Vladimir Putin is an overreach. Any damage done at their recent summit pales compared with the effects, for instance, of the earlier Yalta Summit at which Stalin got a dying President Franklin D. Roosevelt to cede him Eastern Europe, or the Khrushchev-Kennedy Vienna Summit, which led to the Cuban Missile Crisis, Berlin Crisis and a huge buildup of U.S. ICBM forces and budget. Mr. Trump stumbled in Helsinki, but stumbles do not amount to treason.

Democrats and some media are now calling for Mr. Trump’s impeachment, presuming that a post-November Democratic House majority would bring such a vote. But it is a risky strategy that would polarize Americans deeply. The case against him would have to be airtight and based on indisputable fact. Otherwise Mr. Trump would be strengthened rather than harmed.

Democrats should take a fresh look at why and how Mr. Trump won the 2016 election. The party’s national leadership claims it was because of support from white supremacists, religious nuts, nativists, misogynists and Latino-haters. This is a failure to recognize what actually happened. President Trump was the consequence—not the cause—of a nationwide loss of confidence in all of the American establishment: political, media, cultural, business, financial. Sen. Bernie Sanders played on similar sentiments on the Democratic side and, had he known his potential sooner, could have won his party’s nomination.

Most voters knew before the election that Mr. Trump was a crude, freewheeling, womanizing egotist, a man who very well might finance his ventures with money from sketchy sources. They discounted all those negative factors because he was so obviously different from the establishment candidates in whom they had lost trust. Think about it: In one campaign, Mr. Trump polished off the Bushes, the Clintons, and even Ted Cruz. Voters did not love Mr. Trump; they rejected the other guys.

So where does that leave Democrats? A writer at the Washington Post recently put together a list of the top Democratic presidential contenders for 2020. Ranked first, not surprisingly, was Mr. Sanders, given his strong 2016 showing. Also near the top was former Vice President Joe Biden, who relates well to middle-American voters. But most of the rest of the contenders take an angry, accusatory line toward Mr. Trump. Leading the pack were Sens. Elizabeth Warren and Kamala Harris, from Massachusetts and California, respectively, where bashing the president earns cheers from the party faithful.

Shrill attacks and identity politics got a strong start during Bill Clinton’s two presidential terms. Under fire on multiple fronts, the Clinton White House took an aggressive posture toward critics, asserting that it was just “fighting back.” Democrats repeated that pattern in President Obama’s 2012 campaign. They labeled Mitt Romney, a temperate former governor of Massachusetts, as antiwoman, antigay, antiblack, anti-Latino, anti-immigrant and a tool of big finance. That theme worked so well that Democrats repeated it in congressional races two years later. Now the beat goes on, only stronger, against Mr. Trump.

There are some basic misapprehensions here. Most voters see abortion and gay rights as accepted issues and wonder why Democrats present them as threatened. They do not see racism as on the rise or the country as moving back toward Jim Crow. On the contrary, they see several decades in which the barriers to equal opportunity, legal or otherwise, have been steadily dismantled. They do worry about the problems of big-city neighborhoods: violence, drug use, broken families, unemployment, daunting dropout and incarceration rates. But they see little evidence that “white privilege” is the cause. They like immigrants and refugees but generally believe everyone should take a legal path to citizenship.

National security and the economy are the two principal issues in any presidential campaign. The Trump record in both those realms should be critiqued by Democrats. They should, in turn, offer credible alternative policies. If they do, and their presidential candidate seems reasonable, Democrats can reclaim the White House in 2020 not through a constitutional crisis but through a free election and with a popular mandate.

My own guess: By 2020, Mr. Trump will have fatigued the public. Voters will be turned off by him, just as they were in turn by the Johnson, Nixon and Carter presidencies. They will want to see another face on their TV sets. The danger is that Democrats by then may have fatigued the public even more.

Mr. Van Dyk was active in Democratic national policy and politics for 40 years. He is author of “Heroes, Hacks and Fools” (University of Washington Press, 2007).


https://www.wsj.com/articles/to-beat-trump-get-a-grip-1532386992

Alex Jones ondertussen bedreigt Mueller met de dood... de vriendelijke man

https://www.newsweek.com/(...)s-zuckerberg-1038500

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Op dinsdag 24 juli 2018 13:42 schreef DustPuppy het volgende:
Dit komt op mij echt over als iemand die vooral zichzelf probeert te overtuigen.

De Amerikaanse bevolking is zo ernstig gedesinformeerd dat je daar niet zeker van kunt zijn. Tientallen jaren van disneyficering hebben hun werk gedaan. Het gaat er niet om hoe waarheidsgetrouw een boodschap is, het gaat erom in welke mate de ontvanger bereid is tot suspension of disbelief. Trump brengt geen feiten op tafel, hij creëert mythes.

Mocht hij ooit berecht, schuldig bevonden en afgezet worden, dan wordt het echt enorm lastig om de massa ervan te overtuigen dat daar gegronde redenen voor zijn geweest. Nog veel lastiger dan het proces dat tot zijn afzetting moet leiden.

Het land is echt rijp voor een burgeroorlog.

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Op dinsdag 24 juli 2018 14:55 schreef Ringo het volgende:

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De Amerikaanse bevolking is zo ernstig gedesinformeerd dat je daar niet zeker van kunt zijn. Tientallen jaren van disneyficering hebben hun werk gedaan. Het gaat er niet om hoe waarheidsgetrouw een boodschap is, het gaat erom in welke mate de ontvanger bereid is tot suspension of disbelief. Trump brengt geen feiten op tafel, hij creëert mythes.

Mocht hij ooit berecht, schuldig bevonden en afgezet worden, dan wordt het echt enorm lastig om de massa ervan te overtuigen dat daar gegronde redenen voor zijn geweest. Nog veel lastiger dan het proces dat tot zijn afzetting moet leiden.

dat zal wellicht uitlopen op een verkapte burgeroorlog, volgzaam volkje hoor

ja dat zeg ik