[AMV] Amerikaanse politiek #520

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STORY HIGHLIGHTS

• Three-quarters of Americans think immigration is a good thing

• 65% of Republicans and Republican-leaning independents agree

• 39% say immigration should be kept at present level, 28% say increased

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realDonaldTrump twitterde op zondag 24-06-2018 om 17:02:02 We cannot allow all of these people to invade our Country. When somebody comes in, we must immediately, with no Judges or Court Cases, bring them back from where they came. Our system is a mockery to good immigration policy and Law and Order. Most children come without parents... reageer retweet

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Op zaterdag 23 juni 2018 17:38 schreef ExtraWaskracht het volgende:

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Mja, conservatieven misschien, republikeinen lijkt het niet te deren, integendeel ... zojuist nog een artikel in de NYTimes:

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tedlieu twitterde op zondag 24-06-2018 om 09:06:06 Dear @nytimes: Is the Gina Anders who you feature in your story as not having "a stitch of MAGA gear" the same one who is a BOARD MEMBER of the ultraconservative WVLPAC? That PAC seeks to defend Confederate statues & nullify the ACA.You may want to correct your misleading story https://t.co/gn6TCY9ebn reageer retweet

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The Loyal Trump Supporter Isn’t The Same As The Persuadable Trump Voter (Washington Monthly)

Yesterday the New York Times published yet another entry in the “Trump supporters still support Trump” genre that has become so tired by now as to venture into self-parody. Once again, we hear from base Republican voters who don’t seem the sort to have voted for a Democrat in decades, explain their cognitive dissonance in continuing to support a cruel, incompetent serial abuser and philanderer. And in each of these stories, it’s fairly obvious that most core Trump support boils down to a few standard issues: racism, sexism, and/or allegiance to standard Republican worldviews on taxes, the role of government and such. In the latest story, the particular Trump supporter interviewed, a woman named Gina Anders, turns out to be a board member of an ultra-conservative PAC. A previous piece at the New York Times by SE Cupp failed to disclose in the original version that its interviewee was literally a county Republican official. How is this useful journalism?

Numerous studies have shown that there is a huge difference between the two party bases in terms of how malleable their values by whoever happens to be the party leader at the time: Republicans, being more authoritarian in general, are much quicker to shift their views and morph their value systems depending on whatever Fox News and the GOP leadership happen to be saying at the time. So it’s entirely unsurprising that the same people who pretended to be aghast over the moral direction of the country when a Democratic president lied about some hanky panky, are now utterly unconcerned about Trump’s grossly immoral sexual behavior. Partisans of all stripes will make some excuses for their own, and interviewing fierce partisans about the foibles of their own candidates is rarely interesting.

Far more interesting is what the persuadable voter thinks. Asking strong Democrats about Bill Clinton in the 1990s would have made for boring and repetitive interviews, but it’s possible that Clinton’s behavior was the last straw for some socially conservative Democrats who finally flipped to the GOP and presaged the election of George W. Bush. Those would have been valuable journalism.

Similarly, it’s not compelling to talk to people who voted for McCain and Romney and are still committed to conservative worldviews and find that lo and behold, they also still support Trump. Of course they do! Trump is still the best avenue they have to enacting their agenda, flawed as they may or may not see him. There is a preponderance of Never Trump conservatives like George Will in the media and political consulting business, but they are vanishingly rare in the general electorate.

Much more interesting are the Obama-Trump voters who switched from Democratic to Trump after voting twice for an African-American president. There aren’t many of them, but they’re much more interesting than the standard racist Republican, and their votes in the upper midwest were determinative. Similarly, the 5% to 10% of Trump voters who no longer have a favorable impression of the president are the difference between a massive blue wave that sweeps Democrats into power in Congress, and a fizzle that keeps the House in Republican hands. Profiles of disaffected Trump voters would be far more instructive in the current political moment.

This difference also tends impact the way in which the participants in the “racism versus economic anxiety” debate tend to talk past one another, because they’re both right. Almost no one in the progressive movement would deny that racism is the core driving motivator for the vast bulk of the Republican electorate, including Trump’s base and those who attend his rallies. The average Trump voter is an economically comfortable white suburbanite who politics are unquestionably deplorable. The question of economic anxiety concerns the much smaller group of persuadable voters: Obama-Trump switchers in economically depressed rural communities who made massive, double-digit swings from one side to the other in just four years, whose factories have not returned and who stand to lose big in Trump’s trade wars. It’s entirely possible if not highly likely that the Trump phenomenon was 95% racism and 5% economic anxiety–and most progressives would argue that Republicanism has always been thus in almost all its aspects–but that it was the economics that proved determinative with the swing portion of the electorate. Is that still the case, or has Trump lost them? That would be interesting and useful content.

Similarly, suburban socially liberal but economically conservative voters seem to be engaged in a realignment toward the Democrats very similar to the realignment of socially conservative Dixiecrats to the Republican Party from 1970 through to 2000. That’s a crucial story waiting to be better profiled as well.

As Jeet Heer says at The New Republic:
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At issue here is the risk of misreading the political landscape. The voters who are sticking with Trump are hard-core partisans like Anders and Maurer. But there might be another class of marginal Republicans who are wavering in their commitment or who have abandoned the party altogether. Deep in his article, Peters notes, “There is some evidence that Mr. Trump’s base of support may have shrunk slightly, though. In recent polls from Gallup and Morning Consult, the numbers of people who identified as Republicans were about 2 percentage points smaller than they were in early 2017.” It might be more illuminating to interview those who are leaving the Republican Party to figure out who the real persuadable voters are.
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Indeed.

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kylegriffin1 twitterde op zondag 24-06-2018 om 18:05:08 Republican lawmakers are preparing to vote on a more narrow immigration bill that would allow immigrant children to stay in detention facilities with their parents for more than 20 days, senior White House and Hill officials tell ABC News. https://t.co/A1cAR0EB4S reageer retweet

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kylegriffin1 twitterde op zondag 24-06-2018 om 18:30:23 Central American men separated from their children and held in a detention facility outside Houston are being told they can reunite with their kids at the airport if they agree to sign a voluntary deportation order now, the Texas Tribune reports. https://t.co/N5vLe6AgjQ reageer retweet

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Op zondag 24 juni 2018 19:22 schreef Doublepain het volgende:

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Hoe durft hij illegalen meteen terug te sturen!!

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Op zondag 24 juni 2018 19:44 schreef ExtraWaskracht het volgende:

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Precies, wie is er niet gewoon voor om alle moordenaars en dieven op te sluiten? Rechters zijn gewoon baantjesjagers in de bureaucratie.

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Op zondag 24 juni 2018 18:25 schreef Kijkertje het volgende:
Our system is a mockery to good immigration policy and Law and Order.

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Op zondag 24 juni 2018 19:44 schreef ExtraWaskracht het volgende:

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Precies, wie is er niet gewoon voor om alle moordenaars en dieven op te sluiten? Rechters zijn gewoon baantjesjagers in de bureaucratie.

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realDonaldTrump twitterde op zondag 24-06-2018 om 22:12:25 The United States is insisting that all countries that have placed artificial Trade Barriers and Tariffs on goods going into their country, remove those Barriers & Tariffs or be met with more than Reciprocity by the U.S.A. Trade must be fair and no longer a one way street! reageer retweet

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Op zondag 24 juni 2018 22:59 schreef crystal_meth het volgende:

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realDonaldTrump twitterde op zondag 24-06-2018 om 22:12:25 The United States is insisting that all countries that have placed artificial Trade Barriers and Tariffs on goods going into their country, remove those Barriers & Tariffs or be met with more than Reciprocity by the U.S.A. Trade must be fair and no longer a one way street! reageer retweet

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Op maandag 25 juni 2018 02:42 schreef Kijkertje het volgende:
‘You’re out of your cotton-picking mind’: A Fox News guest explains hate speech to a black man

David Bossie Tells Democrat Joel Payne ‘You’re Out of Your Cotton-Picking Mind’ About Dog Whistles

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Nikki Haley: 'Ridiculous' for UN to analyze poverty in America

U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations Nikki Haley on Thursday dismissed a poverty report by the United Nations, saying it’s “ridiculous” for the intergovernmental body to analyze American poverty.

“It is patently ridiculous for the United Nations to examine poverty in America,” Haley said in a letter to Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.).

“The Special Rapporteur wasted the UN’s time and resources, deflecting attention from the world’s worst human rights abusers and focusing instead on the wealthiest and freest country in the world.”

Sanders, along with several Democratic lawmakers in both chambers, earlier this month sent a letter to Haley asking her to show President Trump the conclusions of the report published by the United Nations Special Rapporteur on extreme poverty and human rights.

The report blamed poverty in the United States on politics.

“At the end of the day, however, particularly in a rich country like the United States, the persistence of extreme poverty is a political choice made by those in power,” the report reads. “With political will, it could readily be eliminated.”

The report said American democracy "is being steadily undermined" and provided several suggestions for how to alleviate poverty in the U.S. The recommendations said American citizens must realize taxes "are in their interest" and that the U.S. "must recognize a right to health care."

Sanders and the other Democrats called upon the Trump administration to provide Congress with a strategy to act on suggestions made in the United Nations report.

But Haley in her response to Sanders slammed the report as “misleading and politically motivated.”

“The report categorically misstated the progress the United States has made in addressing poverty and purposely used misleading facts and figures in its biased reporting,” Haley wrote.

“There is no question that poverty in America remains a serious concern, but it does no one any good to inaccurately describe its prevalence or its causes.”

Sanders quickly responded to Haley, saying he believes “it is totally appropriate” for the United Nations to publish a report on poverty in America.

“I hope you will agree that in a nation in which the top three people own more wealth than the bottom half, we can and must do much better than that,” Sanders wrote in his reply.

The senator told Haley he’d “love the opportunity” to talk to her about poverty when he is in New York.

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Op maandag 25 juni 2018 08:56 schreef KoosVogels het volgende:
Kan iemand mij uitleggen wat in vredesnaam het idee is achter die handelsoorlog en hoe Trump daar profijt van denkt te hebben?

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Op maandag 25 juni 2018 08:56 schreef KoosVogels het volgende:
Kan iemand mij uitleggen wat in vredesnaam het idee is achter die handelsoorlog en hoe Trump daar profijt van denkt te hebben?

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realDonaldTrump twitterde op woensdag 04-06-2014 om 17:37:14 US trade deficit hit $64B+ in April, 2 yr record high http://t.co/e5RuDJxexp We must do better. China is ripping us. Bring the jobs home! reageer retweet

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Op maandag 25 juni 2018 08:26 schreef DustPuppy het volgende:
“It is patently ridiculous for the United Nations to examine poverty in America,” Haley said in a letter to Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.).

“The Special Rapporteur wasted the UN’s time and resources, deflecting attention from the world’s worst human rights abusers and focusing instead on the wealthiest and freest country in the world.”

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Alston carried out his investigation at the formal invitation of the Trump administration.

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Op maandag 25 juni 2018 09:15 schreef crystal_meth het volgende:

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https://www.theguardian.c(...)olitically-motivated

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Op maandag 25 juni 2018 09:17 schreef nostra het volgende:

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_!
Wat bestaan er toch een zeldzaam domme mensen.

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Op maandag 25 juni 2018 08:56 schreef KoosVogels het volgende:
Kan iemand mij uitleggen wat in vredesnaam het idee is achter die handelsoorlog en hoe Trump daar profijt van denkt te hebben?

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Op maandag 25 juni 2018 02:42 schreef Kijkertje het volgende:
‘You’re out of your cotton-picking mind’: A Fox News guest explains hate speech to a black man

David Bossie Tells Democrat Joel Payne ‘You’re Out of Your Cotton-Picking Mind’ About Dog Whistles