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Samenzwering, verborgen agenda's en geheime geschiedenis. De zoektocht naar de wereld die achter de façade van alledag ligt.
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En hier verder...In verschillende topics, word er naar voren geschoven dat Atoom wapens onzin zijn.
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Mooie docu over nukes!
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In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Waarom deden ze het bij andere steden dan steeds met honderden B-29s?quote:Op donderdag 4 januari 2018 20:16 schreef Tingo het volgende:
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Zoveel napalm bommen heb je niet nodig om 'n stad van papier en hout te vernietigen heb je niet nodig.
“A single B-29 on a firebomb raid over Japan typically would carry 40 clusters, or about 1,500 individual M-69s.”
in a crowd you lose humanity
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In verschillende topics, word er naar voren geschoven dat Atoom wapens onzin zijn.
Verdere info is eigenlijk niet nodig!
Mooie docu over nukes!
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Onikaan ni ov dovah
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Da's een goeie vraag...quote:
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Waarom deden ze het bij andere steden dan steeds met honderden B-29s?
Moet je niet bij mij zijn.quote:
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Verschillende steden, doelen enz. Niet elke napalm bombardement van +500 vliegtuigen was.quote:
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Waarom deden ze het bij andere steden dan steeds met honderden B-29s?
Nu is het honderden ipv +500 ?
Wie zegt dat 't niet honderden waren?
Er waren ook berichten dat de ellende in Hiroshima met kleine vuurtjes in verschillende delen van 't stad heeft begonnen.
Maar ja - er ook conflicting reports in 'n andere zaak (de H word) van WWII zyn.
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
500 is ook honderden.quote:
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Verschillende steden, doelen enz. Niet elke napalm bombardement van +500 vliegtuigen was.
Nu is het honderden ipv +500 ?
Wie zegt dat 't niet honderden waren?
Er waren ook berichten dat de ellende in Hiroshima met kleine vuurtjes in verschillende delen van 't stad heeft begonnen.
Maar ja - er ook conflicting reports in 'n andere zaak (de H word) van WWII zyn.
Verder is het afbranden van de stad, beginnend met kleine brandjes, niet consistent met oa de waarneming dat de stad plotsklaps geheel was afgesneden van de buitenwereld.
I just pressed 'open nieuwe deel'. It doesn't really matter.quote:
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Ja - dat goed gedaan door de VS military en niet door 'atomic bombs' was.They needed total control of the 'Ground Zero' area. What a surprise.quote:Op donderdag 4 januari 2018 21:21 schreef Wantie het volgende:
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500 is ook honderden.
Verder is het afbranden van de stad, beginnend met kleine brandjes, niet consistent met oa de waarneming dat de stad plotsklaps geheel was afgesneden van de buitenwereld.
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Hoe hadden ze dan total control van ground zero bij een bombardement?quote:
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Ja - dat goed gedaan door de VS military en niet door 'atomic bombs' was.They needed total control of the 'Ground Zero' area. What a surprise.
En hoezo hadden ze dat wel bij Hiroshima en Nagasaki, maar niet bij alle andere bombardementen?
in a crowd you lose humanity
Japan was already beaten. The US was already banging on the door.quote:
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Hoe hadden ze dan total control van ground zero bij een bombardement?
En hoezo hadden ze dat wel bij Hiroshima en Nagasaki, maar niet bij alle andere bombardementen?
Anyway - it doesn't matter - I don't care that much if people believe in nukes or not.
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Maar ze hadden echt nog geen volk daar rondlopen.quote:
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Japan was already beaten. The US was already banging on the door.
Anyway - it doesn't matter - I don't care that much if people believe in nukes or not.
Op wat amerikaanse krijgsgevangen na.
Dus: toon maar aan hoe ze ground zero onder controle hadden.
in a crowd you lose humanity
The world was told that it was an atomic bomb. And there was no proof of that. The photos and the damage are the same as other fire-bombed cities.You also have way too much trust in history books etc. I did too until a few years ago.quote:
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Maar ze hadden echt nog geen volk daar rondlopen.
Op wat amerikaanse krijgsgevangen na.
Dus: toon maar aan hoe ze ground zero onder controle hadden.
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Dus je komt niet verder dan "het is een leugen, want het is gelogen." Elke onderbouwing ontbreekt bij je.quote:
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The world was told that it was an atomic bomb. And there was no proof of that. The photos and the damage are the same as other fire-bombed cities.You also have way too much trust in history books etc. I did too until a few years ago.
En we zitten op een nederlands forum.
in a crowd you lose humanity
En de honderden testen die ze sindsdien hebben gedaan?quote:
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The world was told that it was an atomic bomb. And there was no proof of that. The photos and the damage are the same as other fire-bombed cities.You also have way too much trust in history books etc. I did too until a few years ago.
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Tsja - je bent ook 'n space-fanboy toch?quote:
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Dus je komt niet verder dan "het is een leugen, want het is gelogen." Elke onderbouwing ontbreekt bij je.
En we zitten op een nederlands forum.
If I wanted to argue with space fanboys I'd go to a space fanboy site.
This is a very informative thread:
https://engforum.pravda.r(...)bomb-hoax-revisited/
Nederlands forum waar 80% van de materie in 't Engles is.
Ga maar naar FB als je wil effe zeiken.
Maak van 't wat je wil. I really don't fckin care anymore.
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Honderden?quote:
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En de honderden testen die ze sindsdien hebben gedaan?
Alleen de VS hebben al meer dan 1000 gedaan.
Nou hebben die wel veruit de meeste gedaan.
Hoop moeite voor een hoax.
in a crowd you lose humanity
So you did care?quote:
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Tsja - je bent ook 'n space-fanboy toch?
If I wanted to argue with space fanboys I'd go to a space fanboy site.
This is a very informative thread:
https://engforum.pravda.r(...)bomb-hoax-revisited/
Nederlands forum waar 80% van de materie in 't Engles is.
Ga maar naar FB als je wil effe zeiken.
Maak van 't wat je wil. I really don't fckin care anymore.
Dus de VS nam eerst geheel ongemerkt de stad in, sneed deze volledig af van de buitenwereld, stak daarna de stad in brand om een kernbom te faken?quote:
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Ja - dat goed gedaan door de VS military en niet door 'atomic bombs' was.They needed total control of the 'Ground Zero' area. What a surprise.
Duh. Logisch toch?quote:
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Dus de VS nam eerst geheel ongemerkt de stad in, sneed deze volledig af van de buitenwereld, stak daarna de stad in brand om een kernbom te faken?
in a crowd you lose humanity
Ja ok, maar een groot deel daarvan ondergrondsquote:
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Honderden?
Alleen de VS hebben al meer dan 1000 gedaan.
Nou hebben die wel veruit de meeste gedaan.
Hoop moeite voor een hoax.
Ik ging uit van atmosferische testen (210 iirc voor de VS?), gezien veel meer mensen die gezien hebben.
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Onikaan ni ov dovah
De Tsaar bom , daarvan ging de drukgolf toch 3 keer een rondjeom de aarde door de hele wereld gemeten ?
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Δημοσθένης
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18FgnFVm5k0&fmt=37&hd=1&autoplay=1
Δημοσθένης
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18FgnFVm5k0&fmt=37&hd=1&autoplay=1
Was vast gewoon een zuchtje wind...quote:
De Tsaar bom , daarvan ging de drukgolf toch 3 keer een rondjeom de aarde door de hele wereld gemeten ?
zie je nu..je doet het alweer...ik claim dit niet je legt woorden in de mind door selectief te lezen !
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Δημοσθένης
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18FgnFVm5k0&fmt=37&hd=1&autoplay=1
Δημοσθένης
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18FgnFVm5k0&fmt=37&hd=1&autoplay=1
Ik beweer ook niet dat jij dat claimt, ik weerleg het enkel in de stijl van de BNW ontkenning...quote:
zie je nu..je doet het alweer...ik claim dit niet je legt woorden in de mind door selectief te lezen !
jaja...oude gebruik van je ...is bekend
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Δημοσθένης
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18FgnFVm5k0&fmt=37&hd=1&autoplay=1
Δημοσθένης
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18FgnFVm5k0&fmt=37&hd=1&autoplay=1
Dat ik MSM claims weerleg?quote:
jaja...oude gebruik van je ...is bekend
weer dit ik ben niet waneer komt dat door bij jouw...of is dit het derail spelletje ?
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Δημοσθένης
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18FgnFVm5k0&fmt=37&hd=1&autoplay=1
Δημοσθένης
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18FgnFVm5k0&fmt=37&hd=1&autoplay=1
Waar haal jij dat 'iedereen' vandaan?quote:
weer dit ik ben niet iedereen waneer komt dat door bij jouw...of is dit het derail spelletje ?
Ik kan je niet meer volgen zo.
klopt heb ge-edit was een andere zin
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Δημοσθένης
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18FgnFVm5k0&fmt=37&hd=1&autoplay=1
Δημοσθένης
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18FgnFVm5k0&fmt=37&hd=1&autoplay=1
iedereen was een beetje vrijblijvend..daarom gedelete ..ben het met je eens de zin heeft het niet meer als Onliner.. 
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Δημοσθένης
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18FgnFVm5k0&fmt=37&hd=1&autoplay=1
Δημοσθένης
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18FgnFVm5k0&fmt=37&hd=1&autoplay=1
Atoom bom bestaat niet daar gaat het topic ver, maar hoe zit het met kernafval en uranium en plutonium, en andere radio actieve materialen
En dan hebben we ook nog waterstofbommen.
Tsar Bomba
deze zorgde voor zo'n grote drukgolf dat in Noorwegen een paar honderd kilometer verderop nog ruiten sneuvelden.
En dan hebben we ook nog waterstofbommen.
Tsar Bomba
deze zorgde voor zo'n grote drukgolf dat in Noorwegen een paar honderd kilometer verderop nog ruiten sneuvelden.
Pope John Paul II shot first!!!
Nou, atoomenergie schijnt wel te bestaan.quote:
Atoom bom bestaat niet daar gaat het topic ver, maar hoe zit het met kernafval en uranium en plutonium, en andere radio actieve materialen
En dan hebben we ook nog waterstofbommen.
Tsar Bomba
deze zorgde voor zo'n grote drukgolf dat in Noorwegen een paar honderd kilometer verderop nog ruiten sneuvelden.
En die ruiten in Noorwegen zijn natuurlijk ingetikt door kwajongens...
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Nou, atoomenergie schijnt wel te bestaan.
En die ruiten in Noorwegen zijn natuurlijk ingetikt door kwajongens...
The Gilbert U-238 Atomic Energy Lab is a toy lab set that was produced by Alfred Carlton Gilbert, who was an American athlete, magician, toy-maker, business man, and inventor of the well-known Erector Set. The Atomic Energy Lab was released by the A. C. Gilbert Company in 1950. The kit's intention was to allow children to create and watch nuclear and chemical reactions using radioactive material.
Wie had dit nou niet vroeger..
https://en.wikipedia.org/(...)ic_Energy_Laboratory
Pope John Paul II shot first!!!
Doe mij zo'n ding, pleasequote:
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The Gilbert U-238 Atomic Energy Lab is a toy lab set that was produced by Alfred Carlton Gilbert, who was an American athlete, magician, toy-maker, business man, and inventor of the well-known Erector Set. The Atomic Energy Lab was released by the A. C. Gilbert Company in 1950. The kit's intention was to allow children to create and watch nuclear and chemical reactions using radioactive material.
Wie had dit nou niet vroeger..
https://en.wikipedia.org/(...)ic_Energy_Laboratory
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Pff lastig, oplage was beperkt, en denk niet dat spul door de douane komt..quote:
Je kan her en der nog wat vinden maar meer losse onderdelen van de set.
Die dingen zou ik dan bestellen onder de naam Kim Young Un
Helaas kan je er geen atoombom van bouwen..
Ff kijken op Whish alibaba etc of ze ook uranium of plutonium hebben.
Pope John Paul II shot first!!!
Moet in kleine hoeveelheden misschien nog wel lukken. Ooit lang geleden op de middelbare school nog eens een dag mee mogen spelen. Misschien wel het gaafste ding wat we op school gedaan hebbenquote:
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Pff lastig, oplage was beperkt, en denk niet dat spul door de douane komt..
Je kan her en der nog wat vinden maar meer losse onderdelen van de set.
Die dingen zou ik dan bestellen onder de naam Kim Young Un
Helaas kan je er geen atoombom van bouwen..
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Ff kijken op Whish alibaba etc of ze ook uranium of plutonium hebben.
Later op de universiteit nog eens over mogen doen, plus nog wat stappen verder natuurlijk.
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Kiek....quote:
Helaas kan je er geen atoombom van bouwen..
niet juiste materiaal of hoeveelheid.quote:
Maar zoals hekje al zegt, je kan het wel vinden.
Wat misschien niet veel mensen weten is dat Nederland in de buurt van Rotjeknor een aantal Nukes in bruikleen heeft van de VS, na de koude oorlog zijn deze als ik het goed heb nog steeds niet opgehaald!
Pope John Paul II shot first!!!
De verhoogte radioactieve isotopen in de atmosfeer kon je gewoon meten:
Nadat er regels kwamen voor het testen van atoomwapens is het gelukkig afgenomen.
Verder kan je aan de grondlagen op sommige plekken zien wanneer daar veel bommen werden getest. De grondlagen zijn vervuilt.
StarFish Prime, de grootste nucleaire test in de ruimte, kwam tot ontploffing 400km boven de aarde. Het zorgten voor een felle lichtflits, een EMP en het "pool"licht kon gezien worden.
De aurora:
Restanten van de vuurbal gezien vanuit een vliegtuig:
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Nadat er regels kwamen voor het testen van atoomwapens is het gelukkig afgenomen.
Verder kan je aan de grondlagen op sommige plekken zien wanneer daar veel bommen werden getest. De grondlagen zijn vervuilt.
StarFish Prime, de grootste nucleaire test in de ruimte, kwam tot ontploffing 400km boven de aarde. Het zorgten voor een felle lichtflits, een EMP en het "pool"licht kon gezien worden.
De aurora:
Restanten van de vuurbal gezien vanuit een vliegtuig:
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America went from a round Earth to a round Moon. Deal with it.
https://www.express.co.uk(...)ar-apocalypse-online
Doomsday Clock LIVE stream: How to watch nuclear apocalypse announcement online TODAY
staat nu op 2 minuten voor middernacht, ipv 2,5 minuut vorig jaar.
Doomsday Clock LIVE stream: How to watch nuclear apocalypse announcement online TODAY
staat nu op 2 minuten voor middernacht, ipv 2,5 minuut vorig jaar.
Pope John Paul II shot first!!!
Eens.
Wegens niet-Zuid-Koreaanse praktijken verwijderd. :')
VBL / De stylist
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9Y5Dhzciyc&
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxlsPrPF_lk
VBL / De stylist
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9Y5Dhzciyc&
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxlsPrPF_lk
Ik heb me rond deze conspiracy altijd verbaasd dat men niet gelooft dat deze wapens bestaan. Hebben alle toeristen uit de jaren 50 en 60 in Vegas dan onderdeel uitgemaakt van dit complot? Dat zijn een hele enorme hoop extra om te kopen mensen geweest.
Dat is helaas vaker het niveau van de discussie.quote:Op zaterdag 13 oktober 2018 23:03 schreef Haushofer het volgende:
Tandenborstels hebben ook nooit bestaan. Dat waren allemaal verfkwasten.
Whatever...
How many tourists ? Just wondering.quote:Op dinsdag 9 oktober 2018 13:08 schreef ChrisCarter het volgende:
Ik heb me rond deze conspiracy altijd verbaasd dat men niet gelooft dat deze wapens bestaan. Hebben alle toeristen uit de jaren 50 en 60 in Vegas dan onderdeel uitgemaakt van dit complot? Dat zijn een hele enorme hoop extra om te kopen mensen geweest.
They wouldn't need to be part of any conspiracy/outrageous lie - the military could just detonate 100,000 tons of TNT and tell everyone that it is a nuclear explosion. The spectators would of course believe it all anyway because the military and media would never tell such enormous lies right? They wouldn't need to pay any 'tourists' if they believe it all anyway.
Then take the footage of the 100,000 tons of TNT explosion back to LookOut Mountain (just up the road from Hollywood) and have it enhanced, manipulated etc. to make it all look more impressive and/or different from a huge detonation of conventional explosives.
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
2 decennia lang, dat zijn een hoop toeristen. Maar ook heel veel soldaten, en er is ook verhoogde radioactiviteit gemeten en er zijn mensen ziek geworden van de fallout. Dat simuleer je niet met TNT.quote:
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How many tourists ? Just wondering.
They wouldn't need to be part of any conspiracy/outrageous lie - the military could just detonate 100,000 tons of TNT and tell everyone that it is a nuclear explosion. The spectators would of course believe it all anyway because the military and media would never tell such enormous lies right? They wouldn't need to pay any 'tourists' if they believe it all anyway.
Then take the footage of the 100,000 tons of TNT explosion back to LookOut Mountain (just up the road from Hollywood) and have it enhanced, manipulated etc. to make it all look more impressive and/or different from a huge detonation of conventional explosives.
Hmm.quote:
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2 decennia lang, dat zijn een hoop toeristen. Maar ook heel veel soldaten, en er is ook verhoogde radioactiviteit gemeten en er zijn mensen ziek geworden van de fallout. Dat simuleer je niet met TNT.
Not that it matters much, but how many would 'een hoop' be in the 20 years you mention? As I wrote, they'd pretty much all believe whatever any military/media authority told them, and the very few who didn't believe it and felt they wanted to say something about it would be ignored and/or ridiculed.
How many do you think the 'heel veel soldaten' would be ? Whether the 'nuclear' bomb explosions are real or fake, it would be quite a secret project which only the top brass would fully know about and regular soldiers would know about as much as anyone, plus many soldiers/officers would also believe it and besides, most would probably have to sign a legally binding 'official secrets' type document, and anyone breaching such a contract would be court-martialled or whatever.
And again, who would believe them? They'd also know very well that they'd be stone-walled anyway.
Do you have any credible fotos/reports/interviews from, 'een hoop' tourists or 'heel veel soldaten' etc. from the time to back up your claims?
I wonder how many from 'een hoop' tourists saw these guys perform at a 'nuclear' explosion. I wonder if they got 'ziek van de fallout'.
One of my favourites:
Five men at atomic ground zero
However hilarious it is, why produce utter dog cack such as this if they had the real thing?
I was going to mention that I think people would have had more faith and trust in the authorities (media,military,government etc.) back then, but going off some of the opinions expressed on this (and other) forum, I'm beginning to have my doubts about that as well
Addition: How many average tourists would even be able to tell the difference between a 'nuclear' and a 100,000 ton TNT explosion from miles away?
Up until a few years ago, and if I was on holiday in Vegas and was told that there happened to be a nuclear explosion test taking place, I would have also most probably believed it.
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In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Hoe zit het dan met dit soort tests?quote:
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Hmm.
Not that it matters much, but how many would 'een hoop' be in the 20 years you mention? As I wrote, they'd pretty much all believe whatever any military/media authority told them, and the very few who didn't believe it and felt they wanted to say something about it would be ignored and/or ridiculed.
How many do you think the 'heel veel soldaten' would be ? Whether the 'nuclear' bomb explosions are real or fake, it would be quite a secret project which only the top brass would fully know about and regular soldiers would know about as much as anyone, plus many soldiers/officers would also believe it and besides, most would probably have to sign a legally binding 'official secrets' type document, and anyone breaching such a contract would be court-martialled or whatever.
And again, who would believe them? They'd also know very well that they'd be stone-walled anyway.
Do you have any credible fotos/reports/interviews from, 'een hoop' tourists or 'heel veel soldaten' etc. from the time to back up your claims?
I wonder how many from 'een hoop' tourists saw these guys perform at a 'nuclear' explosion. I wonder if they got 'ziek van de fallout'.
One of my favourites:
Five men at atomic ground zero
However hilarious it is, why produce utter dog cack such as this if they had the real thing?
I was going to mention that I think people would have had more faith and trust in the authorities (media,military,government etc.) back then, but going off some of the opinions expressed on this (and other) forum, I'm beginning to have my doubts about that as well
Addition: How many average tourists would even be able to tell the difference between a 'nuclear' and a 100,000 ton TNT explosion from miles away?
Up until a few years ago, and if I was on holiday in Vegas and was told that there happened to be a nuclear explosion test taking place, I would have also most probably believed it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Fishbowl
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Het lijkt een beetje hip te zijn om op het internet te claimen dat de wereld compleet anders is dan het is. Vooral door trolls en mensen die denken toegang te hebben tot "speciale kennis".
It's muffin time.
I don't know why you're asking and have quoted my post – all of which you have ignored.quote:
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Hoe zit het dan met dit soort tests?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Fishbowl
Probably more sly evasion.
So - do you think the 'Five guys at Ground Zero' to be a recording of anything resembling reality?
I think even you can agree with me in thinking that it is cringe-worthy nonsense. And there's quite a few more films which are equally stupid.
Why would they even need to make such films if they were actually setting off real 'nuclear' explosions?
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Ah yes....
How 1950s Las Vegas Sold Atomic Bomb Tests as Tourism
Step right up! Place your bets folks! What's it gonna be tonite ? Nuclear or TNT? Spot the difference!
So in the 1950's, at the height of the Cold War, tourists were encouraged to visit Las Vegas and go see 'nuclear' explosions? Would that include Russian or any other communist 'tourists' who would be able to go and inform the KGB about what they had witnessed?
It's hardly top secret is it?
How 1950s Las Vegas Sold Atomic Bomb Tests as Tourism
Step right up! Place your bets folks! What's it gonna be tonite ? Nuclear or TNT? Spot the difference!
So in the 1950's, at the height of the Cold War, tourists were encouraged to visit Las Vegas and go see 'nuclear' explosions? Would that include Russian or any other communist 'tourists' who would be able to go and inform the KGB about what they had witnessed?
It's hardly top secret is it?
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Maar wat zijn nu dan de argumenten? Dit is een herhaling van je stelling weer.
De fallout, de stralingsdoden en zieken... Daar hoor ik je niet over
De fallout, de stralingsdoden en zieken... Daar hoor ik je niet over
Oh dus deze nukes zijn wel echt, gezien de sly evasion tactics die je hier toepast?quote:
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I don't know why you're asking and have quoted my post – all of which you have ignored.
Probably more sly evasion.
So - do you think the 'Five guys at Ground Zero' to be a recording of anything resembling reality?
I think even you can agree with me in thinking that it is cringe-worthy nonsense. And there's quite a few more films which are equally stupid.
Why would they even need to make such films if they were actually setting off real 'nuclear' explosions?
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Onikaan ni ov dovah
I didn't say that. Now you are trying to put words in my mouth.quote:
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Oh dus deze nukes zijn wel echt, gezien de sly evasion tactics die je hier toepast?
You're still avoiding very straight-forward questions.
Do you beleive the completely ridiculous 'Five men at atomic ground zero' film?
Stop your shilly-shallying - a simple 'yes' or 'no' answer will do for now.
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Maybe you can provide some credible links/info.quote:
Maar wat zijn nu dan de argumenten? Dit is een herhaling van je stelling weer.
De fallout, de stralingsdoden en zieken... Daar hoor ik je niet over
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Nee, kom jij nu eerst maar eens met argumenten rond dat er TNT gebruikt zou zijn.quote:
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Maybe you can provide some credible links/info.
Jij beantwoordt alles met vragen aan anderen ipv zelf te onderbouwen
No - it's additional info.quote:
Maar wat zijn nu dan de argumenten? Dit is een herhaling van je stelling weer.
You came up with idiotic "what about all the tourists and soldiers".
-niet schelden-
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In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Het is heel simpel. Als jouw stelling dat nukes nep zijn klopt, moet je die tests en hun effecten ook kunnen verklaren. Als nukes de meest logische verklaring is voor die tests, wat maakt jouw filmpje dan nog uit?quote:
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I didn't say that. Now you are trying to put words in my mouth.
You're still avoiding very straight-forward questions.
Do you beleive the completely ridiculous 'Five men at atomic ground zero' film?
Stop your shilly-shallying - a simple 'yes' or 'no' answer will do for now.
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Onikaan ni ov dovah
YouTube heeft 'm er afgehaald helaas.. Goeie docu zeker het kijken waard, en als ik Tingo moet geloven zou deze film in scène zijn gezet, dus meer moeten hebben gekost dan een James Cameron film.. Niet slecht voor een docu die niks opleverde.. En waarvan de beelden al in de jaren 50 en 60 zijn vrijgegeven.quote:
Pope John Paul II shot first!!!
Is it?quote:
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Het is heel simpel. Als jouw stelling dat nukes nep zijn klopt, moet je die tests en hun effecten ook kunnen verklaren. Als nukes de meest logische verklaring is voor die tests, wat maakt jouw filmpje dan nog uit?
Welke 'tests en hun effecten' bedoel je precies?
Please be specific.
In your own words please, and not some scientistic mumbo-jumbo that only scientists pretend to understand and obediently agree with.
Do you think the 'Five guys at Ground Zero' to be a recording of anything resembling reality?
If the film doesn't matter to you, why are you avoidng to answer the simple question above?
Why would anyone need to make such a ridiculous film if the tests and the effects are so 'real'?
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
You can quite easily find information about the use of TNT in the 'nuclear' explosion tests.quote:
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Nee, kom jij nu eerst maar eens met argumenten rond dat er TNT gebruikt zou zijn.
Jij beantwoordt alles met vragen aan anderen ipv zelf te onderbouwen
I have given clear responses to your silly claims about 'tourists and soldiers watching nuclear explosions' and at the same time ripped them to pieces.
You have not posted anything to back up your claims.
And you – like your fellow MSM believers, avoid simple, direct questions.
So - do you think the 'Five guys at Ground Zero' film to be anything resembling the 'atomic' explosion 'reality' ?
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Eigenlijk alle effecten wel, maar vooral de EMP.quote:
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Is it?
Welke 'tests en hun effecten' bedoel je precies?
Please be specific.
In your own words please, and not some scientistic mumbo-jumbo that only scientists pretend to understand and obediently agree with.
Wat is eigenlijk precies je probleem met deze video? Ik zie niet waarom wat je daar ziet niet zou kunnen.quote:Do you think the 'Five guys at Ground Zero' to be a recording of anything resembling reality?
If the film doesn't matter to you, why are you avoidng to answer the simple question above?
Why would anyone need to make such a ridiculous film if the tests and the effects are so 'real'?
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Dat hele 'MSM believers' gedoe zorgt ervoor dat ik geen zin meer heb in dit gesprek. Helaas.quote:
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You can quite easily find information about the use of TNT in the 'nuclear' explosion tests.
I have given clear responses to your silly claims about 'tourists and soldiers watching nuclear explosions' and at the same time ripped them to pieces.
You have not posted anything to back up your claims.
And you – like your fellow MSM believers, avoid simple, direct questions.
So - do you think the 'Five guys at Ground Zero' film to be anything resembling the 'atomic' explosion 'reality' ?
@Tingo: Die video 'Five men at atomic ground zero' is vrij hilarisch. Je stelt een aantal goede vragen!
Ik heb ook wel een paar vragen:
- Waarom dragen ze geen speciale veiligheidsbrillen? Is het niet zo dat de flits van een nucleaire explosie vele malen feller is dan het licht van de zon?
- Die flits kan net zo goed een het resultaat zijn van een felle flitslamp
- Waarom beweegt het bordje niet op het moment dat de mannen klaarblijkelijk door een schokgolf ineenkrimpen?
- Waarom verstuift er geen stof?
- Waarom zien we de mannen nooit samen met de explosie in een shot?
- Waarom zie je nog schaduw op de gezichten van de mannen die dus duidelijk tegen de zon in kijken:
Terwijl we moeten geloven dat ze hier naar kijken?
You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time.
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Ik heb ook wel een paar vragen:
- Waarom dragen ze geen speciale veiligheidsbrillen? Is het niet zo dat de flits van een nucleaire explosie vele malen feller is dan het licht van de zon?
- Die flits kan net zo goed een het resultaat zijn van een felle flitslamp
- Waarom beweegt het bordje niet op het moment dat de mannen klaarblijkelijk door een schokgolf ineenkrimpen?
- Waarom verstuift er geen stof?
- Waarom zien we de mannen nooit samen met de explosie in een shot?
- Waarom zie je nog schaduw op de gezichten van de mannen die dus duidelijk tegen de zon in kijken:
Terwijl we moeten geloven dat ze hier naar kijken?
You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time.
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Zie bovenstaande.quote:
Wat is eigenlijk precies je probleem met deze video? Ik zie niet waarom wat je daar ziet niet zou kunnen.
Die kerel in het midden heeft ze zo te zien wel op. Wegkijken van de flits is ook een optie, of je hand er voor houden.quote:Op donderdag 18 oktober 2018 10:18 schreef J0kkebr0k het volgende:
@Tingo: Die video 'Five men at atomic ground zero' is vrij hilarisch. Je stelt een aantal goede vragen!
Ik heb ook wel een paar vragen:
- Waarom dragen ze geen speciale veiligheidsbrillen? Is het niet zo dat de flits van een nucleaire explosie vele malen feller is dan het licht van de zon?
Kloptquote:- Die flits kan net zo goed een het resultaat zijn van een felle flitslamp
Zo groot was de schokgolf nou ook weer niet. We hebben het hier over 1.5kt op 4ish km afstand.quote:- Waarom beweegt het bordje niet op het moment dat de mannen klaarblijkelijk door een schokgolf ineenkrimpen?
- Waarom verstuift er geen stof?
En hoe wil je dat precies doen als ze er recht onder staan?quote:- Waarom zien we de mannen nooit samen met de explosie in een shot?
Erm, what?quote:- Waarom zie je nog schaduw op de gezichten van de mannen die dus duidelijk tegen de zon in kijken:
En wat van dit alles moet precies bewijzen dat het nep is?quote:[ afbeelding ]
Terwijl we moeten geloven dat ze hier naar kijken?
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You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time.
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Uhuh. Moet je wel exact weten wanneer de flits komt he. Minuten lange blindheid kan het gevolg zijn. Mis je meteen heel de show.quote:
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Die kerel in het midden heeft ze zo te zien wel op. Wegkijken van de flits is ook een optie, of je hand er voor houden.
quote:What is flash blindness?
The initial thermal pulse from a nuclear blast can cause eye injuries in the forms of flash blindness and retinal scarring. Flash blindness is caused by the initial brilliant flash of light produced by the nuclear detonation. This flash swamps the retina, bleaching out the visual pigments and producing temporary blindness. During daylight hours, this temporary effect may last for about 2 minutes. At night, with the pupil dilated for dark adaptation, flash blindness will affect personnel at greater ranges and for greater durations. Partial recovery can be expected in 3 to 10 minutes, though it may require 15 to 35 minutes for full night adaptation recovery. Retinal scarring is the permanent damage from a retinal burn. It will occur only when the fireball is actually in the individual's field of view and should be a relatively uncommon injury.
Dat lijkt me dan ook het meest waarschijnlijkequote:Klopt
Niet groot genoeg op wat stof te doen opwaaien nee? De camera schud anders flink. Ik neem aan dat die niet wordt vastgehouden door iemand, anders is het geen '5 Men at Ground Zero' meerquote:Zo groot was de schokgolf nou ook weer niet. We hebben het hier over 1.5kt op 4ish km afstand.
[/quote]En hoe wil je dat precies doen als ze er recht onder staan?[/quote]
Goh... dat is moeilijk, die mannen van onder filmen.
Precies zoals je kunt zien. Het zonlicht werpt schaduwen terwijl we moeten geloven dat ze kijken naar een zwarte lucht gevuld met een explosie.quote:Erm, what?
Dit alles, maar bovenal common sense.quote:En wat van dit alles moet precies bewijzen dat het nep is?
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En dat baseer je waarop?quote:
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Uhuh.
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Dat lijkt me dan ook het meest waarschijnlijke
Vergeet ook niet, de schokgolf komt recht van boven.quote:Niet groot genoeg op wat stof te doen opwaaien nee? De camera schud anders flink. Ik neem aan dat die niet wordt vastgehouden door iemand, anders is het geen '5 Men at Ground Zero' meer
Nogal ja, gezien het dan onmogelijk is om dingen als focus en belichting goed te krijgen.quote:Goh... dat is moeilijk, die mannen van onder filmen.
Eh nee? Niemand vraagt je om te geloven dat de zon opeens uitging of zo. Duidelijk stroman argument.quote:Precies zoals je kunt zien. Het zonlicht werpt schaduwen terwijl we moeten geloven dat ze kijken naar een zwarte lucht gevuld met een explosie.
Common sense zegt dat dit allemaal erg zwak is.quote:Dit alles, maar bovenal common sense.
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Onikaan ni ov dovah
quote:
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En dat baseer je waarop?
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Vergeet ook niet, de schokgolf komt recht van boven.
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Nogal ja, gezien het dan onmogelijk is om dingen als focus en belichting goed te krijgen.
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Eh nee? Niemand vraagt je om te geloven dat de zon opeens uitging of zo. Duidelijk stroman argument.
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Common sense zegt dat dit allemaal erg zwak is.
Oké tuinhek. Het is echt.
Overigens had ik nog een aanvulling gedaan.
Over flash blindness? Geen probleem toch, gezien alleen de kerel met de bril op naar de flits kijktquote:
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Oké tuinhek. Het is echt.
Overigens had ik nog een aanvulling gedaan.
Common sense en zo
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Dus een flashbang is alleen effectief als je recht naar de canister kijkt?quote:
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Over flash blindness? Geen probleem toch, gezien alleen de kerel met de bril op naar de flits kijkt
Common sense en zo
Voor de flash wel, voor de bang is het natuurlijk anders.quote:Op donderdag 18 oktober 2018 11:44 schreef J0kkebr0k het volgende:
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Dus een flashbang is alleen effectief als je recht naar de canister kijkt?
Als de flashbang buiten je blikveld is doet zon flits natuurlijk niet veel meer behalve de ruimte verlichten. De dreun doet wel meer met je orientatievermogen dan.
Kun je dat adhv een bron duiden?quote:
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Voor de flash wel, voor de bang is het natuurlijk anders.
https://www.quora.com/If-(...)blinded-and-deafenedquote:
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Kun je dat adhv een bron duiden?
Geeft meerdere scenarios.
Ja ok, dus eigenlijk kan het licht van zo'n nucleare explosie geen kwaad. Als je maar wegkijkt of je handen voor je ogen doet (zoals geen van allen doet).quote:
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https://www.quora.com/If-(...)blinded-and-deafened
Geeft meerdere scenarios.
Maar vraagje: Geloof jij dat de 5 mannen daar echt onder een nucleaire explosie stonden?
En nog meer stromannen. Niemand beweerd dat dat in zijn algemeenheid het geval is.quote:
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Ja ok, dus eigenlijk kan het licht van zo'n nucleare explosie geen kwaad. Als je maar wegkijkt of je handen voor je ogen doet (zoals geen van allen doet).
Maar vraagje: Geloof jij dat de 5 mannen daar echt onder een nucleaire explosie stonden?
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Nee dat is helemaal niet wat ik zeg. Die flits kan zeker wel kwaad. Dat staat ook in de link overigens gewoon. Het gaat om o.a. afstand en intensiteit en wel/niet bedekken/beschermen.quote:
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Ja ok, dus eigenlijk kan het licht van zo'n nucleare explosie geen kwaad. Als je maar wegkijkt of je handen voor je ogen doet (zoals geen van allen doet).
Maar vraagje: Geloof jij dat de 5 mannen daar echt onder een nucleaire explosie stonden?
Ik vind het op dit moment nog steeds aannemelijk dat zij onder een kernexplosie staan ja. Zolang er geen goede argumenten tegen zijn blijft dat nog zo imho
Nee, natuurlijk niet.quote:
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En nog meer stromannen. Niemand beweerd dat dat in zijn algemeenheid het geval is.
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Die kerel in het midden heeft ze zo te zien wel op. Wegkijken van de flits is ook een optie, of je hand er voor houden.
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Nee, natuurlijk niet. Hangt ook af van yield en afstand. Yield was in dit geval niet zo groot, dus minder energie, dus minder flits.quote:
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Hey Jokkebrok - Fijn om je terug te zien posten.quote:
@Tingo: Die video 'Five men at atomic ground zero' is vrij hilarisch. Je stelt een aantal goede vragen!
Deze is ook 'n leuke :
EFFECTS OF AN ATOMIC BLAST ON ELECTRICAL POWER FACILITIES 25952
The narration ook grappig is.
9:29: “Note the male in grey and the one in the white sheet for later mental comparison.”
10:42: The blast!
19:29-21:14: The mannequins after the test.
Allemaal lekker makkelijk in scene gezet.imo.
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Hmm ….Hier heb je wat meer informatie en meningen over 'nuclear electromagnetic pulse'.quote:
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Eigenlijk alle effecten wel, maar vooral de EMP.
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2018/02/david-hathaway/emp-hoax/
Het lijkt dat er heel weinig bewijs van nuclear electromagnetic pulse is.
Het hele (korte) artikel waardevol om te lezen is, hier 'n paar stukjes
van:
Alleged Failure of Hawaiian Street Lights
On the night of July 8, 1962, the “Starfish Prime” atomic warhead was detonated over the Pacific. Residents of the Hawaiian Islands watched night turn to day from this blast that was 93 times more powerful than the one that destroyed Hiroshima. One of the U.S. Government’s main purposes for the blast was to study EM (electromagnetic) effects on electrical infrastructure.
A damaging “EMP” (ElectroMagnetic Pulse) effect had been postulated since the first atomic blast in 1945, usually for long-wire infrastructure. But, no electrical infrastructure damage had been proven from any of the numerous high-altitude nuclear blasts.
All Records Destroyed Many Years Before Sandia Study
The Sandia report notes that the Honolulu City and County Street Lighting Department routinely destroyed all records after 10 years. And up until the 1980s, it had all been taken at face value: Yes, of course, a nuclear EMP caused extensive streetlight failures in Hawaii.
So, how did the Sandia National Laboratories use their U.S. D.O.E.
funding to conduct the definitive study of this supposed EMP event when there were no records to review? They talked to a former Lighting Department employee on the phone (Souza) who had worked previously in Hawaii in 1962. He gave them some unprovable anecdotes. There were no records available, so unproven anecdotes became the basis for the report.
The pre-ordained EMP conclusion is completely false because A) Any electrical failures were statistically insignificant and do not indicate mass-damage, B) The study was completely flawed in that it reviewed no data, C) The shoddy street lighting circuitry in Honolulu at the time was prone to failures that had nothing to do with EMP, and D) The EMP theory itself is theoretically impossible.
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Waarom trap je toch weer in deze onzin? Ten eerste is was dat niet het enige EMP effect, en al helemaal niet de enige test. Dat die streetlights het enige bewijs is, is simpelweg onzin. De Russen hebben rond die tijd ook een serie tests gedaan boven bewoond gebied, en daar veel info over EMP schade verzameld.quote:
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Hmm ….Hier heb je wat meer informatie en meningen over 'nuclear electromagnetic pulse'.
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2018/02/david-hathaway/emp-hoax/
Het lijkt dat er heel weinig bewijs van nuclear electromagnetic pulse is.
Het hele (korte) artikel waardevol om te lezen is, hier 'n paar stukjes
van:
Alleged Failure of Hawaiian Street Lights
On the night of July 8, 1962, the “Starfish Prime” atomic warhead was detonated over the Pacific. Residents of the Hawaiian Islands watched night turn to day from this blast that was 93 times more powerful than the one that destroyed Hiroshima. One of the U.S. Government’s main purposes for the blast was to study EM (electromagnetic) effects on electrical infrastructure.
A damaging “EMP” (ElectroMagnetic Pulse) effect had been postulated since the first atomic blast in 1945, usually for long-wire infrastructure. But, no electrical infrastructure damage had been proven from any of the numerous high-altitude nuclear blasts.
All Records Destroyed Many Years Before Sandia Study
The Sandia report notes that the Honolulu City and County Street Lighting Department routinely destroyed all records after 10 years. And up until the 1980s, it had all been taken at face value: Yes, of course, a nuclear EMP caused extensive streetlight failures in Hawaii.
So, how did the Sandia National Laboratories use their U.S. D.O.E.
funding to conduct the definitive study of this supposed EMP event when there were no records to review? They talked to a former Lighting Department employee on the phone (Souza) who had worked previously in Hawaii in 1962. He gave them some unprovable anecdotes. There were no records available, so unproven anecdotes became the basis for the report.
The pre-ordained EMP conclusion is completely false because A) Any electrical failures were statistically insignificant and do not indicate mass-damage, B) The study was completely flawed in that it reviewed no data, C) The shoddy street lighting circuitry in Honolulu at the time was prone to failures that had nothing to do with EMP, and D) The EMP theory itself is theoretically impossible.
Verder ben ik heel benieuwd waarom EMP theoretisch onmogelijk zou zijn.
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Onzin huh? It seems to me that the author has done his research and knows more about the subject than you (or I) ever will.quote:
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Waarom trap je toch weer in deze onzin? Ten eerste is was dat niet het enige EMP effect, en al helemaal niet de enige test. Dat die streetlights het enige bewijs is, is simpelweg onzin. De Russen hebben rond die tijd ook een serie tests gedaan boven bewoond gebied, en daar veel info over EMP schade verzameld.
Verder ben ik heel benieuwd waarom EMP theoretisch onmogelijk zou zijn.
You can better post some sources for your claims. Please quote a couple of points which you think important and relevant about any other 'nuclear' EMP tests/results etc.
Really, you should know better by now than expect everyone to just take your words for it.
I think every country involved in (and selling) the 'nuclear' war threat/fearmongery (and the space race hoax) has roughly the same game plan and many (if not all of them) are very good friends and /or business associates behind the (iron) curtains and (smoke) screens.
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
De auteur negeert de Soviet test gewoon volledig, en jij neemt deze persoon dan nog serieus?quote:
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Onzin huh? It seems to me that the author has done his research and knows more about the subject than you (or I) ever will.
You can better post some sources for your claims. Please quote a couple of points which you think important and relevant about any other 'nuclear' EMP tests/results etc.
Really, you should know better by now than expect everyone to just take your words for it.
I think every country involved in (and selling) the 'nuclear' war threat/fearmongery (and the space race hoax) has roughly the same game plan and many (if not all of them) are very good friends and /or business associates behind the (iron) curtains and (smoke) screens.
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Sources for your claims please.quote:
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De auteur negeert de Soviet test gewoon volledig, en jij neemt deze persoon dan nog serieus?
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Soviet Project K nuclear tests.quote:
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Weer lekker vaag van je. Please post a couple of quotes which you find important.quote:
And the U.S. didn't carry out any EMP tests in any of the thousands of 'nuclear' explosions?
They just left that up to the Soviets did they?
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Waarom verzin je er nu weer dingen bij?quote:
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Weer lekker vaag van je. Please post a couple of quotes which you find important.
And the U.S. didn't carry out any EMP tests in any of the thousands of 'nuclear' explosions?
They just left that up to the Soviets did they?
Dat zeg ik juist specifiek niet.
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Do it yourself..
En.. Emp kan als met een kleine explosie dus tja...
Ik snap niet echt waarom het niet kan.
Of is het net zoiets als iss, gewoon niet kijken maar.. Negeren?
Pope John Paul II shot first!!!
Ja 'leuk' hoor die psycho-kid toys, maar dat gaat 't niet om.quote:
Do it yourself..
En.. Emp kan als met een kleine explosie dus tja...
Ik snap niet echt waarom het niet kan.
Of is het net zoiets als iss, gewoon niet kijken maar.. Negeren?
Misschien moet je de thread beter lezen.
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Psycho kid toys?quote:
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Ja 'leuk' hoor die psycho-kid toys, maar dat gaat 't niet om.
Misschien moet je de thread beter lezen.
Waar valt dan een simpel broodmes dan onder?
Ik toon gewoon simpel aan dat je sommige dingen zelf kan maken.
Zoals een emp apparaatje..
En... Ik lees toch echt EMP in jou text!
Pope John Paul II shot first!!!
quote:
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D) The EMP theory itself is theoretically impossible.
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Onikaan ni ov dovah
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Project_K_nuclear_tests
If it really exists, why would the 'formal scientific documentation' be 'still sparse' more than 30 years after the event(s)?
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Communicated informally? Like in the pub after a few vodkas? It wouldn't fckin surprise me.quote:“Although the weapons used in the K Project were much smaller (up to 300 kilotons) than the United States Starfish Prime test of 1962, the damage caused by the resulting EMP was much greater because the K Project tests were done over a large populated land mass, and at a location where the Earth's magnetic field was greater. After the collapse of the Soviet Union, the level of this damage was communicated informally to scientists in the United States.”
'Cooperation' and 'Funding was secured'...always interesting factors.quote:“After the 1991 Soviet Union collapse, there was a period of a few years of cooperation between United States and Russian scientists on the high-altitude nuclear EMP phenomenon.
In addition, funding was secured to enable Russian scientists to formally report on some of the Soviet EMP results in international scientific journals.[5] As a result, formal scientific documentation of some of the EMP damage in Kazakhstan exists[2][6] but is still sparse in the open scientific literature.”
If it really exists, why would the 'formal scientific documentation' be 'still sparse' more than 30 years after the event(s)?
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In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
I didn't write that.quote:
Op vrijdag 19 oktober 2018 12:57 schreef Tingo het volgende:
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D) The EMP theory itself is theoretically impossible.
Please don't misquote me.Maybe a mod should jump on that too.
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Het staat letterlijk in de post die gequote wordtquote:
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I didn't write that.
Please don't misquote me.Maybe a mod should jump on that too.
Redenen over waarom iemandje zou zoiets willen maken (en als 't echt werkt) voor 'n ander 'discussie' is.quote:
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Psycho kid toys?
Waar valt dan een simpel broodmes dan onder?
Ik toon gewoon simpel aan dat je sommige dingen zelf kan maken.
Zoals een emp apparaatje..
En... Ik lees toch echt EMP in jou text!
Misschien kan je sidekick iets even voor je uitleggen.
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
I didn't write it - it's a quote from someone else who should be credited with it.quote:
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Het staat letterlijk in de post die gequote wordt
It was purposely being used to derail the 'discussion'.
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Waarom zou je het dan in je post gebruiken als je het niet als argument gebruikt? Dat is wel een beetje raar. Het is logisch dat mensen hier dan op reageren...quote:
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I didn't write it - it's a quote from someone else who should be credited with it.
It was purposely being used to derail the 'discussion'.
En je quote dat voor de lol of zo, zonder dat je er zelf achter staat? Talk about derailing a topicquote:
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I didn't write that.
Please don't misquote me.Maybe a mod should jump on that too.
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Onikaan ni ov dovah
It's a deliberate misquote whichever way you want to dress it up.quote:
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Waarom zou je het dan in je post gebruiken als je het niet als argument gebruikt? Dat is wel een beetje raar. Het is logisch dat mensen hier dan op reageren...
When will you be leaving as mod?
Just wondering....long goodbyes are really tiresome right?
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Gewoon datgene niet posten waar je geen reactie op wil. Niet het gevolg maar de oorzaak aanpakkenquote:
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It's a deliberate misquote whichever you want to dress it up.
Maar goed, de boodschap is duidelijk
Still not found anything substantial to back up your claims then.quote:
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En je quote dat voor de lol of zo, zonder dat je er zelf achter staat? Talk about derailing a topic
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Yes, it was indeed a deliberate misquote wasn't it?quote:
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Gewoon datgene niet posten waar je geen reactie op wil. Niet het gevolg maar de oorzaak aanpakken
Maar goed, de boodschap is duidelijk
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Ik heb genoeg gevonden om jouw bullshit te ontkrachten. That will do for now.quote:
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Still not found anything substantial to back up your claims then.
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Really? You should post it here then!quote:
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Ik heb genoeg gevonden om jouw bullshit te ontkrachten. That will do for now.
Stay on track.Please be specific.
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
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Really? You should post it here then!
Stay on track.Please be specific.
Maar vertel Tingo, als jij iets een interessant stuk vind om te lezen en daaruit gaat quoten, waarom staat je mening dan blijkbaar 180 graden op wat je quote? Dat is nogal verstorend voor het verloop van een topic.
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Onikaan ni ov dovah
I didn't say I disagreed with the quote.quote:
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Maar vertel Tingo, als jij iets een interessant stuk vind om te lezen en daaruit gaat quoten, waarom staat je mening dan blijkbaar 180 graden op wat je quote? Dat is nogal verstorend voor het verloop van een topic.
Please post something substantial to back up your claims about the Soviet (or any other) nuke-EMP tests/results. Please quote some points which you find important.
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
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How many tourists ? Just wondering.
They wouldn't need to be part of any conspiracy/outrageous lie - the military could just detonate 100 tons of TNT and tell everyone that it is a nuclear explosion. The spectators would of course believe it all anyway because the military and media would never tell such enormous lies right? They wouldn't need to pay any 'tourists' if they believe it all anyway.
Then take the footage of the 100 tons of TNT explosion back to LookOut Mountain (just up the road from Hollywood) and have it enhanced, manipulated etc. to make it all look more impressive and/or different from a huge detonation of conventional explosives.
Just wanted to correct my above post.
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Ok, dus je trekt EMP wel in twijfel. Waarom dan zo reageren op een voorbeeld van EMP?quote:
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I didn't say I disagreed with the quote.
Please post something substantial to back up your claims about the Soviet (or any other) nuke-EMP tests/results. Please quote some points which you find important.
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Waar is de 'veel info' over nuclear EMP schade ?quote:
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Ten eerste is was dat niet het enige EMP effect, en al helemaal niet de enige test. Dat die streetlights het enige bewijs is, is simpelweg onzin. De Russen hebben rond die tijd ook een serie tests gedaan boven bewoond gebied, en daar veel info over EMP schade verzameld.
You're having trouble supporting your claims. The tiny scraps of info there is to be found is about as wishy-washy as your own vague statements and opinions.
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Al die info heb je al. Jij beweerde dat die ene US test de enige was, wat dus simpelweg niet klopte.quote:
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Waar is de 'veel info' over nuclear EMP schade ?
You're having trouble supporting your claims. The tiny scraps of info there is to be found is about as wishy-washy as your own vague statements and opinions.
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Not from you I haven’t.quote:
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Al die info heb je al. Jij beweerde dat die ene US test de enige was, wat dus simpelweg niet klopte.
All you have done is post unsubstantiated claims about ‘nuclear’EMP tests, misquoted me in a attempt to change the subject, dodged questions about information sources and tried to divert the ‘discussion’.
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In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Oké, kan iemand me wat anders helpen verklaren? Hoe laat je bijna een volledige stad in 10 seconden... En niet 1 maar 2x in een week tijd..
Pope John Paul II shot first!!!
99,9% van alles en iedereen, op die ene personen na zoals jij die het niet geloofd.quote:
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Waar is de 'veel info' over nuclear EMP schade ?
You're having trouble supporting your claims. The tiny scraps of info there is to be found is about as wishy-washy as your own vague statements and opinions.
Zelfde zo'n beetje als de platte aarde aanhangers, maar dat zijn tegenwoordig meer gelovige in dan deze theorie.
Pope John Paul II shot first!!!
Een EMP is een zeer krachtige electromagnetische golf.
Zodra deze golf iets van metaal raakt, krijg je een (sterkte afhankelijk van circuit) spoelwerking die zorgt voor een potentiaal verschil, er gaat dus een (onbedoelde) spanning lopen in het circuit.
Voor fijne techniek zoals transistors en computers is deze geringe stroom teveel, waardoor de flinterdunne gleiders doorbranden.
Radio werkt met hetzelfde principe. De natuurwetten die een EMP zeer zeker wel mogelijk maken zijn goed begrepen.
Zodra deze golf iets van metaal raakt, krijg je een (sterkte afhankelijk van circuit) spoelwerking die zorgt voor een potentiaal verschil, er gaat dus een (onbedoelde) spanning lopen in het circuit.
Voor fijne techniek zoals transistors en computers is deze geringe stroom teveel, waardoor de flinterdunne gleiders doorbranden.
Radio werkt met hetzelfde principe. De natuurwetten die een EMP zeer zeker wel mogelijk maken zijn goed begrepen.
America went from a round Earth to a round Moon. Deal with it.
in 10 seconden..wat Guyv?quote:
Oké, kan iemand me wat anders helpen verklaren? Hoe laat je bijna een volledige stad in 10 seconden... En niet 1 maar 2x in een week tijd..
Ja, snap.quote:
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Van stad naar zo goed als niks...
😂
Anybody who makes stupid, desperate attempts at comparing the nuclear bomb hoax research to the flat earth PsyOp has not read and/or understood the information properly.quote:
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99,9% van alles en iedereen, op die ene personen na zoals jij die het niet geloofd.
Zelfde zo'n beetje als de platte aarde aanhangers, maar dat zijn tegenwoordig meer gelovige in dan deze theorie.
Veel lees plezier.
Much of the footage in this propaganda film has been re-used and edited several times.
12:50-The actress playing the role of a reporter is funny.
Declassified U.S. Nuclear Test Film #33
Met veel dank aan Clues forum!
THE NUKE HOAX.
https://cluesforum.info/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=452
Yes, it's a long thread which requires time and energy to get through, and it also depends on how much you really want to know.The thread is a fantastic collection of film, photos, newspaper articles etc. It pretty much explains the whole 'nuke' mythology.
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Lets face it, de kans dat je op het clues forum zinnige informatie tegen komt is wel erg klein.quote:
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Anybody who makes stupid, desperate attempts at comparing the nuclear bomb hoax research to the flat earth PsyOp has not read and/or understood the information properly.
Veel lees plezier.
Much of the footage in this propaganda film has been re-used and edited several times.
12:50-The actress playing the role of a reporter is funny.
Declassified U.S. Nuclear Test Film #33
Met veel dank aan Clues forum!
THE NUKE HOAX.
https://cluesforum.info/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=452
Yes, it's a long thread which requires time and energy to get through, and it also depends on how much you really want to know.The thread is a fantastic collection of film, photos, newspaper articles etc. It pretty much explains the whole 'nuke' mythology.
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Straks even doornemen, staat er ook een goeie uitleg bij hoe je bijna een complete stad in luttele seconden van de aardbodem laat verdwijnen?quote:
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Anybody who makes stupid, desperate attempts at comparing the nuclear bomb hoax research to the flat earth PsyOp has not read and/or understood the information properly.
Veel lees plezier.
Much of the footage in this propaganda film has been re-used and edited several times.
12:50-The actress playing the role of a reporter is funny.
Declassified U.S. Nuclear Test Film #33
Met veel dank aan Clues forum!
THE NUKE HOAX.
https://cluesforum.info/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=452
Yes, it's a long thread which requires time and energy to get through, and it also depends on how much you really want to know.The thread is a fantastic collection of film, photos, newspaper articles etc. It pretty much explains the whole 'nuke' mythology.
Pope John Paul II shot first!!!
Of hoe je alle effecten van een megaton high altitude blast simuleert.quote:
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Straks even doornemen, staat er ook een goeie uitleg bij hoe je bijna een complete stad in luttele seconden van de aardbodem laat verdwijnen?
Als je er een beetje doorheen klikt komt het meeste neer op ik snap het niet, dus het kan niet waar zijn. Nou niet de meest robuste redenering om te gebruiken.
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Deze foto is van een andere hoek genomen de wolk ziet er anders uit.. Dus daarom Denk ik dat het nep is.. Dat is geen uitleg! Dat is gewoon dom lullen..quote:
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Of hoe je alle effecten van een megaton high altitude blast simuleert.
Als je er een beetje doorheen klikt komt het meeste neer op ik snap het niet, dus het kan niet waar zijn. Nou niet de meest robuste redenering om te gebruiken.
Pope John Paul II shot first!!!
Like natural phenomena such as a lightning bolts/electrical storms.quote:
Een EMP is een zeer krachtige electromagnetische golf.
Zodra deze golf iets van metaal raakt, krijg je een (sterkte afhankelijk van circuit) spoelwerking die zorgt voor een potentiaal verschil, er gaat dus een (onbedoelde) spanning lopen in het circuit.
Voor fijne techniek zoals transistors en computers is deze geringe stroom teveel, waardoor de flinterdunne gleiders doorbranden.
Radio werkt met hetzelfde principe. De natuurwetten die een EMP zeer zeker wel mogelijk maken zijn goed begrepen.
Thank you, but that's not the main issue here. I asked about the effects of a nuclear bomb and got the reply 'vooral EMP'.
Do you have any practical evidence for the EMP 'nuclear' bomb theory?
The evidence of damage from 'nuclear' EMP seems to be a bit thin on the ground (zero) to say the very least.
The sparse reports describe effects that could also be created by the use of conventional explosives.
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
It seems to me that the damage we see in the imagery of the aftermath of the Nagasaki and Hiroshima 'nuclear' bombings are the same as that of the many fire (napalm) bombings of Japanese and German cities. Napalm was a new weapon at the time.quote:
Oké, kan iemand me wat anders helpen verklaren? Hoe laat je bijna een volledige stad in 10 seconden... En niet 1 maar 2x in een week tijd..
The vast majority of the damage at Nagasaki and Hiroshima was to small houses made out of paper and wood. The much stronger buildings were damaged but remained standing.
All the 'shadows on the walls/pavements' imagery is fake. Some of the (miscaptioned) photos of the 'nuclear' devastation (the warped/bent train tracks for example) were actually doctored photos of damage caused by earthquakes.
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Let 'us' face it? Who is 'us' ?quote:
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Lets face it, de kans dat je op het clues forum zinnige informatie tegen komt is wel erg klein.
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Hoe dan?quote:
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Like natural phenomena such as a lightning bolts/electrical storms.
Thank you, but that's not the main issue here. I asked about the effects of a nuclear bomb and got the reply 'vooral EMP'.
Do you have any practical evidence for the EMP 'nuclear' bomb theory?
The evidence of damage from 'nuclear' EMP seems to be a bit thin on the ground (zero) to say the very least.
The sparse reports describe effects that could also be created by the use of conventional explosives.
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Pak een papier en zet het in brand.quote:
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It seems to me that the damage we see in the imagery of the aftermath of the Nagasaki and Hiroshima 'nuclear' bombings are the same as that of the many fire (napalm) bombings of Japanese and German cities. Napalm was a new weapon at the time.
The vast majority of the damage at Nagasaki and Hiroshima was to small houses made out of paper and wood. The much stronger buildings were damaged but remained standing.
All the 'shadows on the walls/pavements' imagery is fake. Some of the (miscaptioned) photos of the 'nuclear' devastation (the warped/bent train tracks for example) were actually doctored photos of damage caused by earthquakes.
Dit duurt langer dan 10 sec dus hierbij kan je dit gelijk in je brandende prullenbak gooien.
Om maar te zwijgen over een mooie paddenstoelwolk en lichtflits wat tientallen zo niet honderden kilometers afstand zichtbaar was.
Pope John Paul II shot first!!!
+-47km want we hebben het hierbij niet over een platte aarde.
https://movies.stackexcha(...)s-in-the-film-empire
Bij een bombardement met brandbommen zijn meer dan 3 vliegtuigen nodig om deze in as te leggen, dit soort bombardementen werden gedaan door tientallen a honderden vliegtuigen. In dit geval werden er maar 3 gebruikt.
Dan even het volgende, er staan wat gebouwen overeind... Wat volgens jou heeeeeel vreemd is.. Maar geologisch gezien waar staat Japan bekend om??? Het ligt op een breuklijn en er komen erg veel aardbevingen voor, dus de gebouwen die er staan, zijn behoorlijk stabiel ontworpen, zelfs voor toen de tijd.
https://movies.stackexcha(...)s-in-the-film-empire
Bij een bombardement met brandbommen zijn meer dan 3 vliegtuigen nodig om deze in as te leggen, dit soort bombardementen werden gedaan door tientallen a honderden vliegtuigen. In dit geval werden er maar 3 gebruikt.
Dan even het volgende, er staan wat gebouwen overeind... Wat volgens jou heeeeeel vreemd is.. Maar geologisch gezien waar staat Japan bekend om??? Het ligt op een breuklijn en er komen erg veel aardbevingen voor, dus de gebouwen die er staan, zijn behoorlijk stabiel ontworpen, zelfs voor toen de tijd.
Pope John Paul II shot first!!!
Zeg Tingo, geloof je niet in atoomenergie of dat wel, maar niet dat er een bom van gemaakt kan worden?
In geval van het eerste, hoe verklaar je dan dat energie wordt opgewekt in een kerncentrale?
In geval van het eerste, hoe verklaar je dan dat energie wordt opgewekt in een kerncentrale?
That's a subject for a different topic I think.quote:Op zondag 28 oktober 2018 17:49 schreef BroesWillems het volgende:
Zeg Tingo, geloof je niet in atoomenergie of dat wel, maar niet dat er een bom van gemaakt kan worden?
In geval van het eerste, hoe verklaar je dan dat energie wordt opgewekt in een kerncentrale?
I'm more interested in 'nuclear' bombs at the moment and there's a lot to cover plus I don't want to get side-tracked.
And I have less time lately.
Interesting question all the same.
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In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Aangezien je 'nuclear' al tussen quotes zet, laat je denk ik je antwoord al een beetje doorschemeren. Of heb ik het mis?quote:
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That's a subject for a different topic I think.
I'm more interested in 'nuclear' bombs at the moment and there's a lot to cover plus I don't want to get side-tracked.
And I have less time lately.
Interesting question all the same.
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side tracked? Atoom energie? Dat is juist het ding wat ditalles in beweging zet.quote:
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That's a subject for a different topic I think.
I'm more interested in 'nuclear' bombs at the moment and there's a lot to cover plus I don't want to get side-tracked.
And I have less time lately.
Interesting question all the same.
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Pope John Paul II shot first!!!
Past hier perfect bij, gezien beide volgens hetzelfde concept werken.quote:
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That's a subject for a different topic I think.
I'm more interested in 'nuclear' bombs at the moment and there's a lot to cover plus I don't want to get side-tracked.
And I have less time lately.
Interesting question all the same.
.
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Onikaan ni ov dovah
I've no doubt that the technology exists to block/jam signals/frequencies for as long as whoever has control of it wants to, or feels the need to use it, but actually frying/burning out even very fine circuitry over large areas, and whether such an event would cause permanent damage to all electronic devices, I don't think so.
I think most of us already have efficient fuse boxes in our houses to prevent such damage from happening.
Certain organisations very likely have the capabilities to jam communication, shut off power lines, infrastructure etc. for a few days and then tell us all it was an EMP attack, so who knows, maybe we will experience a fake EMP attack in our lifetimes.
I think most of us already have efficient fuse boxes in our houses to prevent such damage from happening.
Certain organisations very likely have the capabilities to jam communication, shut off power lines, infrastructure etc. for a few days and then tell us all it was an EMP attack, so who knows, maybe we will experience a fake EMP attack in our lifetimes.
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Whether 'atomic' energy exists or not, it will not make the idiotic, laughable, completely fckin ridiculous 'nuclear' propaganda films any more believable.quote:
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Aangezien je 'nuclear' al tussen quotes zet, laat je denk ik je antwoord al een beetje doorschemeren. Of heb ik het mis?
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Voor Tingo, korte en makkelijke uitleg..
En ik snap wel dat sommige dingen moeilijk te vatten zijn als je iets niet kan zien, dan kan je het makkelijk afschrijven als onzin.
Maar goed, simpel gezegd kan je zelf dit soort dingen wel zien..
Pak een lucifer en wrijf die langs een doosje, door de wrijving van de lucifer, veranderen de moleculen van de lucifer kop en ontstaat er hitte, en dan krijg je een flam.. Of te wel energie.
De manier hoe je atomen bewerkt kan leiden tot energie, en bij uranium ligt het er maar net aan hoe je er mee om gaat en op die manier hoeveel energie er vrij komt.
Door dit simpel af te wenden als onzin..
Bestaat een simpele lucifer ook niet of brandstof of überhaupt energie..
Dan is eigenlijk alles maar een vorm van magie
Pope John Paul II shot first!!!
That there is one you believe, that can happen. If you believe all of them, it says something about you.quote:
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That's a subject for a different topic I think.
I'm more interested in 'nuclear' bombs at the moment and there's a lot to cover plus I don't want to get side-tracked.
And I have less time lately.
Interesting question all the same.
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It's like when you say it, I can be sure it's a conspiracy.
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"Evil Alien Conquerers....They Rule!"
Het kan eigenlijk nog simpeler zelfsquote:
Voor Tingo, korte en makkelijke uitleg..
En ik snap wel dat sommige dingen moeilijk te vatten zijn als je iets niet kan zien, dan kan je het makkelijk afschrijven als onzin.
Maar goed, simpel gezegd kan je zelf dit soort dingen wel zien..
Pak een lucifer en wrijf die langs een doosje, door de wrijving van de lucifer, veranderen de moleculen van de lucifer kop en ontstaat er hitte, en dan krijg je een flam.. Of te wel energie.
De manier hoe je atomen bewerkt kan leiden tot energie, en bij uranium ligt het er maar net aan hoe je er mee om gaat en op die manier hoeveel energie er vrij komt.
Door dit simpel af te wenden als onzin..
Bestaat een simpele lucifer ook niet of brandstof of überhaupt energie..
Dan is eigenlijk alles maar een vorm van magie
Als je een stuk radioactief materiaal hebt (zoals een stukje uranium), dan komt hier een kleine hoeveelheid warmte vanaf. Dat kan je meten. Dat op zichzelf is al kernenergie, ook al is het een fractie van een fractie van een procent van wat in een reactor of bom mogelijk is.
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Jongens, niet te persoonlijk worden. Even een beetje opgeschoond.
A child is born with no state of mind.
I'm still busy with finding out more about the fake nuclear explsosions. I'll look it up for myself when I have the time.quote:
Voor Tingo, korte en makkelijke uitleg..
Pak een lucifer en
I also have to work.
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In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
The man who survived two atomic bombs....
Mr. Yamaguchi wasn't even recognised by the Japanese government as the only double survivor until 2009.
How he and his colleagues could have 'travelled (500km) to Nagasaki the next day' is anyones guess. How would they have even ever found each other in the first place, amid such mayhem?
Anyway, then he and his colleagues all managed to get to work in Nagasaki on monday morning!
The trains were still running! That's some heavy weekend, so kudos to the Japanese work ethic then, but good grief, some people just don't know when to call in sick do they?
Mr.Yamaguchi lived to the ripe old age of 93.
The Japanese government didn't recognise any atomic bomb survivors until 1957.quote:Tsutomu Yamaguchi (山口 彊 Yamaguchi Tsutomu) (March 16, 1916 – January 4, 2010) was a survivor of both the Hiroshima and Nagasaki atomic bombings during World War II. Although at least 70 people are known to have been affected by both bombings, he is the only person to have been officially recognized by the government of Japan as surviving both explosions
Yamaguchi lived and worked in Nagasaki, but in the summer of 1945, he was in Hiroshima for a three-month-long business trip. On August 6, he was preparing to leave the city with two colleagues, Akira Iwanaga and Kuniyoshi Sato, and was on his way to the station when he realised he had forgotten his hanko (a stamp allowing him to travel), and returned to his workplace to get it. At 8:15 am, he was walking towards the docks when the American bomber Enola Gay dropped the Little Boy atomic bomb near the centre of the city, only 3km away. Yamaguchi recalls seeing the bomber and two small parachutes, before there was "a great flash in the sky, and I was blown over" The explosion ruptured his eardrums, blinded him temporarily, and left him with serious burns over the left side of the top half of his body. After recovering, he crawled to a shelter, and having rested, he set out to find his colleagues.They had also survived and together they spent the night in an air-raid shelter before returning to Nagasaki the following day. In Nagasaki, he received treatment for his wounds, and despite being heavily bandaged, he reported for work on August 9.
Nagasaki bombing
At 11 am on August 9, Yamaguchi was describing the blast in Hiroshima to his supervisor, when the American bomber Bockscar dropped the Fat Man atomic bomb over the city. His workplace again put him 3km from ground zero, but this time he was unhurt by the explosion. However, he was unable to replace his now ruined bandages, and he suffered from a high fever for over a week
Mr. Yamaguchi wasn't even recognised by the Japanese government as the only double survivor until 2009.
How he and his colleagues could have 'travelled (500km) to Nagasaki the next day' is anyones guess. How would they have even ever found each other in the first place, amid such mayhem?
Anyway, then he and his colleagues all managed to get to work in Nagasaki on monday morning!
The trains were still running! That's some heavy weekend, so kudos to the Japanese work ethic then, but good grief, some people just don't know when to call in sick do they?
Mr.Yamaguchi lived to the ripe old age of 93.
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
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Als je in discussie gaat met een trol, wint hij. Als je een trol beledigt, wint hij. Als je tekeer gaat tegen een trol, wint hij. Het enige waar trollen niet tegen kunnen, is te worden genegeerd.
Tis gewoon informatie.quote:
Ok, en behalve het ridiculiseren van een historisch figuur, wat is je punt?
Historical teller of tall tales imo.
There is every good reason to question such miraculous stories.
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Tot nu toe ontbreekt elk spoor van argumentatie daarvoorquote:
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Tis gewoon informatie.
Historical teller of tall tales imo.
There is every good reason to question such miraculous stories.
Just a theory. An appropriate title if nothing else.quote:
Scott 'before-I-get-down-to-the-nitty-gritty-of-the-physics-and-history' Manley, should also be able to get Einsteins first name right for a start, especially as he is clearly reading from a script.
Unless of course Albert Einstein had an identical twin brother called Alfred. He even uses 'Alfred' (which is kind of cute) as if these trendy gamer-scientistic types were on first name terms. Peculiar collection of space toys in the background. Who the fuck is this shallow, adolescent crap supposed to appeal to I wonder.
I already knew that the word 'atomic' was first used by H.G. Wells in a science FICTION book.
Hier kan je leuke dingetjes van Scott kopen:
https://www.redbubble.com/shop/scott+manley
The presentation style reminds me of that stupid american space fan bitch (Amy Titttler?)
Dear me, you're going to have to do better than this, matey.
Maybe you should take a 'history' lesson from your sidekick.
Still not found any credible information about 'nuclear' EMP then?
No. If you had, then you would've already posted it.
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Sodeju zeg, moet het weer zo triest? Heb je dan echt zo weinig dat je de messenger aanvalt om het voor jezelf te kunnen verantwoorden dat je de message kan negeren?quote:
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Just a theory. An appropriate title if nothing else.
Scott 'before-I-get-down-to-the-nitty-gritty-of-the-physics-and-history' Manley, should also be able to get Einsteins first name right for a start, especially as he is clearly reading from a script.
Unless of course Albert Einstein had an identical twin brother called Alfred. He even uses 'Alfred' (which is kind of cute) as if these trendy gamer-scientistic types were on first name terms. Peculiar collection of space toys in the background. Who the fuck is this shallow, adolescent crap supposed to appeal to I wonder.
I already knew that the word 'atomic' was first used by H.G. Wells in a science FICTION book.
Hier kan je leuke dingetjes van Scott kopen:
https://www.redbubble.com/shop/scott+manley
The presentation style reminds me of that stupid american space fan bitch (Amy Titttler?)
Dear me, you're going to have to do better than this, matey.
Maybe you should take a 'history' lesson from your sidekick.
Still not found any credible information about 'nuclear' EMP then?
No. If you had, then you would've already posted it.
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
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Oh there's plenty more accounts of Mr.Yamaguchis amazing escapades.quote:
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Tot nu toe ontbreekt elk spoor van argumentatie daarvoor
It reminds me of some of the stories which were presented as evidence at the Nuremberg war trials.
https://www.independent.c(...)agasaki-1654294.html
Despite being 3km (just under two miles) from Ground Zero, the blast temporarily blinded him, destroyed his left eardrum and inflicted horrific burns over much of the top half of his body. The following morning, he braved another dose of radiation as he ventured into Hiroshima city centre, determined to catch a train home, away from the nightmare.
In a bitter twist of fate, Yamaguchi was again 3 kms from the centre of the second explosion. In fact, he was in the office explaining to his boss how he had almost been killed days before, when suddenly the same white light filled the room.
Like many of the roughly 260,000 survivors of the atomic explosions, Mr Yamaguchi suffered agony for much of his life, as his daughter explains. "Until I was about 12, he was wrapped in bandages for his skin wounds, and he went completely bald," says Toshiko, now 60. "My mother was also soaked in black rain [the famously radioactive rain that fell after both bombings] and was poisoned. We think she passed on that poison to us."
In his eighties, he finally wrote a book about his experiences, and was invited to take part in a documentary called Nijuuhibaku ( Twice Bombed, Twice Survived), about the handful of double A-bomb victims. The film shows him weeping bitterly as he describes watching bloated corpses floating in the city's rivers and encountering the walking dead of Hiroshima, whose melting flesh hung like "giant gloves".
Black rain:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_fallout
This radioactive dust, usually consisting of fission products mixed with bystanding atoms that are neutron activated by exposure, is a highly dangerous kind of radioactive contamination.
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
I certainly don't need your 'messengers'.quote:
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Sodeju zeg, moet het weer zo triest? Heb je dan echt zo weinig dat je de messenger aanvalt om het voor jezelf te kunnen verantwoorden dat je de message kan negeren?
You probably didn't even watch it yourself, but it doesn't matter, I'll be kind and not go on about it.
Please try better in future.
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Je zou ook voor de verandering een inhoudelijke reactie erop kunnen geven.quote:
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I certainly don't need your 'messengers'.
You probably didn't even watch it yourself, but it doesn't matter, I'll be kind and not go on about it.
Please try better in future.
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
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The Soviet K project tests...
184 K3 (Joe 157) October 22nd, 1962:
“Exploded short of target above Sary Shagan, west of Dzhezkazgan (or Zhezqazghan). EMP ran to thousands of amps, damaged at least 570km of telephone lines, 1000km of buried power lines, and caused the destruction of the Karaganda power plant.”
Are there any credible photographs, film, witness testimonies, etc. of such destruction from 'nuclear' EMP to find? The reported damage could easily have been caused by conventional explosives. Sary Shagan was a closed city in the middle of nowhere. The military could do and report what they wanted, as they had control of the whole area for hundreds of miles around.
Where is the definitive evidence, information etc. about 'nuclear EMP?
Or are we just supposed to rely on the vague report of 'informal communications' between Soviet and American scientists?
How can we know for sure that any 'informal communications between Russian and American scientists' ever occured at all?
It amounts to nothing more than hearsay.
184 K3 (Joe 157) October 22nd, 1962:
“Exploded short of target above Sary Shagan, west of Dzhezkazgan (or Zhezqazghan). EMP ran to thousands of amps, damaged at least 570km of telephone lines, 1000km of buried power lines, and caused the destruction of the Karaganda power plant.”
Are there any credible photographs, film, witness testimonies, etc. of such destruction from 'nuclear' EMP to find? The reported damage could easily have been caused by conventional explosives. Sary Shagan was a closed city in the middle of nowhere. The military could do and report what they wanted, as they had control of the whole area for hundreds of miles around.
Where is the definitive evidence, information etc. about 'nuclear EMP?
Or are we just supposed to rely on the vague report of 'informal communications' between Soviet and American scientists?
How can we know for sure that any 'informal communications between Russian and American scientists' ever occured at all?
It amounts to nothing more than hearsay.
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Here is another differing account of Mr.Yamaguchis miraculous survival:
https://www.ripleys.com/w(...)l-tsutomu-yamaguchi/
Mr. Yamaguchi wasn't even recognised by the Japanese government as the only double survivor until 2009.
Why did it take the Japanese government 12 years to recognise atomic bomb survivors?
If there indeed were 165 people who 'experienced both atomic weapons firsthand', why was Mr.Yamaguchi the only person ever to be recognised (in 2009!) as a double survivor and why did it take so long?
https://www.ripleys.com/w(...)l-tsutomu-yamaguchi/
The Japanese government didn't recognise any atomic bomb survivors until 1957.quote:“The blast sent him spinning through the air, and he landed in a nearby potato patch. When he opened his eyes, he couldn’t see anything—the world was completely black.
The blast hadn’t blinded him, but instead blotted out the sun with an enormous cloud of dust. Yamaguchi’s arms and face were badly burned and his eardrums were ruptured. As the debris cleared, he saw a towering mushroom cloud over the city.”
“Still injured, he made his way through a city of crumbling buildings, fires, and bodies melted to the streets. At one point, he had to swim across a river filled with burned corpses. Yamaguchi eventually made it to the train and settled in for the night as it took him to his hometown of Nagasaki.”
“When Yamaguchi arrived home, his wife and daughter didn’t even recognize the burned man standing in front of them. His wife knew her husband had been in Hiroshima, and thought his bandaged figure might even be a ghost. After finally receiving medical attention, he collapsed in bed for the night.”
“It was during this meeting that the sky once again lit up with fire. The building was destroyed and his bandages were blown away, but—once again—he survived.”
“Though Yamaguchi is the only officially recognized double-survivor of atomic bombings, as many as 165 people experienced both atomic weapons firsthand.”
Mr. Yamaguchi wasn't even recognised by the Japanese government as the only double survivor until 2009.
Why did it take the Japanese government 12 years to recognise atomic bomb survivors?
If there indeed were 165 people who 'experienced both atomic weapons firsthand', why was Mr.Yamaguchi the only person ever to be recognised (in 2009!) as a double survivor and why did it take so long?
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Hoe wil jij honderden kilometers power en telephone line opblazen met een conventionele explosie op zo'n afstand?quote:
The Soviet K project tests...
184 K3 (Joe 157) October 22nd, 1962:
“Exploded short of target above Sary Shagan, west of Dzhezkazgan (or Zhezqazghan). EMP ran to thousands of amps, damaged at least 570km of telephone lines, 1000km of buried power lines, and caused the destruction of the Karaganda power plant.”
Are there any credible photographs, film, witness testimonies, etc. of such destruction from 'nuclear' EMP to find? The reported damage could easily have been caused by conventional explosives. Sary Shagan was a closed city in the middle of nowhere. The military could do and report what they wanted, as they had control of the whole area for hundreds of miles around.
Where is the definitive evidence, information etc. about 'nuclear EMP?
Or are we just supposed to rely on the vague report of 'informal communications' between Soviet and American scientists?
How can we know for sure that any 'informal communications between Russian and American scientists' ever occured at all?
It amounts to nothing more than hearsay.
Dat is nogal een claim om te maken.
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
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Despite there being a lack of detailed information and/or evidence such as photos, film,witness testimony etc. you are assuming that what we are told is true.quote:
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Hoe wil jij honderden kilometers power en telephone line opblazen met een conventionele explosie op zo'n afstand?
Even if there were reports of thousands of homes being left without power (which there doesn't seem to be) it still wouldn't be proof of nuclear EMP.
Like I said – the whole area would have been in control of the military, so they could cause a power outage and then tell people it was due to nuclear tests.
According to wiki:
“After the collapse of the Soviet Union, the level of this (emp)damage was communicated informally to scientists in the United States.”
Pity there are no transcriptions of these informal communications or information as to who these scientists were.
It's all a bit vague and amounts to nothing more than hearsay really.
You claimed that there was 'veel info' about the Soviet Project K nuclear tests to find, but that seems not to be the case.
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
No, you claimed that all those damages can be replicated using a conventional explosion. That's a pretty crazy claim to make.quote:
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Despite there being a lack of detailed information and/or evidence such as photos, film,witness testimony etc. you are assuming that what we are told is true.
Even if there were reports of thousands of homes being left without power (which there doesn't seem to be) it still wouldn't be proof of nuclear EMP.
Like I said – the whole area would have been in control of the military, so they could cause a power outage and then tell people it was due to nuclear tests.
According to wiki:
“After the collapse of the Soviet Union, the level of this (emp)damage was communicated informally to scientists in the United States.”
Pity there are no transcriptions of these informal communications or information as to who these scientists were.
It's all a bit vague and amounts to nothing more than hearsay really.
You claimed that there was 'veel info' about the Soviet Project K nuclear tests to find, but that seems not to be the case.
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
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You are taking what we have been told as true.Your opinion is based on nothing more than hearsay.quote:
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No, you claimed that all those damages can be replicated using a conventional explosion. That's a pretty crazy claim to make.
There is no evidence of the damage.
(570km of telephone lines, 1000km of buried power lines, and caused the destruction of the Karaganda power plant)
Like I said - a power and telephone communications outage could easily have been caused by something other than EMP. Of course they could easily be severed by conventional explosives And people wouldn't even know anything other that what they got told.
There's nothing 'crazy' about that.
You claimed that there was 'veel info' to find about the Soviet nuclear EMP tests, yet you still haven't presented any.
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Hoe dan?quote:
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Like I said - a power and telephone communications outage could easily have been caused by something other than EMP. Of course they could easily be severed by conventional explosives
No I didn't, dat maak jij er van.quote:You claimed that there was 'veel info' to find about the Soviet nuclear EMP tests, yet you still haven't presented any.
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
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Where is the 'veel info' that the Russians collected?quote:
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Ten eerste is was dat niet het enige EMP effect, en al helemaal niet de enige test. Dat die streetlights het enige bewijs is, is simpelweg onzin. De Russen hebben rond die tijd ook een serie tests gedaan boven bewoond gebied, en daar veel info over EMP schade verzameld.
If you can't provide any evidence of it - how would anyone know that it even ever existed?
You're most probably taking someones word for it again.
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Een (groot) deel daarvan ligt waarschijnlijk te verstoffen in een archief ergens ja, of is in zijn geheel verloren gegaan.quote:
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Where is the 'veel info' that the Russians collected?
If you can't provide any evidence of it - how would anyone know that it even ever existed?
You're most probably taking someones word for it again.
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
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Dus voor nu heb je het vooral van horen zeggen, precies zoals Tingo je al een tijdje probeert duidelijk te maken.quote:
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Een (groot) deel daarvan ligt waarschijnlijk te verstoffen in een archief ergens ja, of is in zijn geheel verloren gegaan.
Instead of questioning authority, they question those that question authority.
Dat was het punt ook niet. Het punt was dat volgens Tingo die ene test van de VS de enige test was.quote:
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Dus voor nu heb je het vooral van horen zeggen, precies zoals Tingo je al een tijdje probeert duidelijk te maken.
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
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Verplaats je nu de doelpalen?quote:
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Dat was het punt ook niet. Het punt was dat volgens Tingo die ene test van de VS de enige test was.
Instead of questioning authority, they question those that question authority.
De VS en Rusland zijn niet de enige met deze wapens.quote:
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Verplaats je nu de doelpalen?
De laatste die zich bij het genootschap van landen met atoom wapens kan voegen is Noord Korea, ondanks dat er geen beelden van zijn. Kunnen omringende landen dit bevestigen door de aardbeving die werd veroorzaakt en in China kon men straling meten aangezien de tests vlak bij hun grens werd uitgevoerd.
Pope John Paul II shot first!!!
You have not presented any evidence whatsoever of any nuclear EMP tests ever having taken place at all. Your claims are based on nothing more than hearsay. That is the 'point'.quote:
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Dat was het punt ook niet. Het punt was dat volgens Tingo die ene test van de VS de enige test was.
You also claim to have some knowledge and understanding of science. Hearsay is not scientific.
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
En waar zijn jouw "beweringen" dan op gebouwd?quote:
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You have not presented any evidence whatsoever of any nuclear EMP tests ever having taken place at all. Your claims are based on nothing more than hearsay. That is the 'point'.
You also claim to have some knowledge and understanding of science. Hearsay is not scientific.
Als jij die bizarre verhaaltjes over de historische figuur Mr.Yamaguchi leest, wat denk jij dan? In mijn oren klinken ze namelijk nogal mythisch en over de top.quote:
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En waar zijn jouw "beweringen" dan op gebouwd?
Instead of questioning authority, they question those that question authority.
Het gebruik van atoombomen was dan ook nogal over the topquote:
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Als jij die bizarre verhaaltjes over de historische figuur Mr.Yamaguchi leest, wat denk jij dan? In mijn oren klinken ze namelijk nogal mythisch en over de top.
Dat levert dus wel extreme gebeurtenissen op lijkt me
Ja leuke "what about" strategie. Het laat nog steeds mooi zien dat de bron waar jij mee kwam full of shit was.quote:
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You have not presented any evidence whatsoever of any nuclear EMP tests ever having taken place at all. Your claims are based on nothing more than hearsay. That is the 'point'.
You also claim to have some knowledge and understanding of science. Hearsay is not scientific.
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
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"I dont understand it, therefore it must be fake", aldus Ronald Reagan, maker van de atoombom.
"Evil Alien Conquerers....They Rule!"
I don't understand what you mean with the term 'what about strategie'. Please explain, I'm genuinely interested.quote:
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Ja leuke "what about" strategie. Het laat nog steeds mooi zien dat de bron waar jij mee kwam full of shit was.
If you think that the link (about 'nuclear' EMP) I posted is 'full of shit', you should be able to be more specific, make a list of points, and explain why you disagree with them.
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Dat weet je best. Ik wil me best nog een keer herhalen hoor, als je dat blijkbaar nodig hebt. Dat artikel maakt al vrij snel de claim dat alles over EMP schade op die ene US test gebaseerd is. Dat is dus onzin, en geeft wel aan hoe slecht ze hun research gedaan hebben.quote:
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I don't understand what you mean with the term 'what about strategie'. Please explain, I'm genuinely interested.
If you think that the link (about 'nuclear' EMP) I posted is 'full of shit', you should be able to be more specific, make a list of points, and explain why you disagree with them.
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
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Wat precies weet ik best?quote:
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Maar je heb nog steeds helemaal geen bewijs dat er tests waren.quote:
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Dat weet je best. Ik wil me best nog een keer herhalen hoor, als je dat blijkbaar nodig hebt. Dat artikel maakt al vrij snel de claim dat alles over EMP schade op die ene US test gebaseerd is. Dat is dus onzin, en geeft wel aan hoe slecht ze hun research gedaan hebben.
Je blijft maar claimen.
You should know very, very well by now that I do not take your word for anything.
Lees dan de link opnieuw en doe maar 'n lijstje en uitleggen precies waarom jij denkt dat de link 'full of shit' is.
It shouldn't take too much effort - seeing as you seem so cocky.
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Ok, wat zou jij dan als bewijs accepteren?quote:
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Maar je heb nog steeds helemaal geen bewijs dat er tests waren.
Je blijft maar claimen.
You should know very, very well by now that I do not take your word for anything.
Lees dan de link opnieuw en doe maar 'n lijstje en uitleggen precies waarom jij denkt dat de link 'full of shit' is.
It shouldn't take too much effort - seeing as you seem so cocky.
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
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I can't decide what I will accept as 'bewijs' until I see the 'bewijs'.quote:
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Ok, wat zou jij dan als bewijs accepteren?
Anything that you think is adequate will do, because up til now I have seen NOTHING apart from wishy-washy claiims.
You have presented ZERO evidence of nuclear EMP.
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Nee zo werkt dat niet.quote:
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I can't decide what I will accept as 'bewijs' until I see the 'bewijs'.
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
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Zo werkt wat niet precies?quote:
You seem to write in riddles half of the time.
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Wat jij als bewijs zou accepteren.quote:
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Zo werkt wat niet precies?
You seem to write in riddles half of the time.
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
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I can't accept 'bewijs' that does not exist.quote:
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Wat jij als bewijs zou accepteren.
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Dus, behalve van je wazige 'vooral EMP effect'...(which you have not presented any info to support) wat zou de andere effecten van 'n 'nuclear' bom zijn ?quote:
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Eigenlijk alle effecten wel, maar vooral de EMP.
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In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Spoken like a True Believer. Het beantwoord nog steeds de vraag niet wat je dan wel zou overtuigen. Niets blijkbaar?quote:
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I can't accept 'bewijs' that does not exist.
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
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Ik denk dat jij in dit geval juist de True Believer bent en dat Tingo in deze de Non-Believer is. Kleinigheidje, maar je moet wel scherp blijven.quote:
Instead of questioning authority, they question those that question authority.
Our friend Hek has a tendency to use English terms and phrases out of context.quote:
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Ik denk dat jij in dit geval juist de True Believer bent en dat Tingo in deze de Non-Believer is. Kleinigheidje, maar je moet wel scherp blijven.
Now he wants a discsussion about 'nuclear' EMP tests which seem not to have taken place. .
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Deze discussie is sowieso zinloos als je 'nuclear' steeds tussen quotes zet. Als je al niet in kernenergie gelooft is het al helemaal zinloos om over de gevolgen van een kernbom te praten.quote:
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Our friend Hek has a tendency to use English terms and phrases out of context.
Now he wants a discsussion about 'nuclear' EMP tests which seem not to have taken place. .
Oh nee in deze context klopte deze precies. Als je bewijs negeert, en daar van maakt bewijs bestaat niet ben je net zo slecht bezig als een religieus fundamentalist. Je laat je dan niet overtuigen, no matter what.quote:
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Our friend Hek has a tendency to use English terms and phrases out of context.
Now he wants a discsussion about 'nuclear' EMP tests which seem not to have taken place. .
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
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Ho fckin ho. LOL. No matter whatquote:
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Oh nee in deze context klopte deze precies. Als je bewijs negeert, en daar van maakt bewijs bestaat niet ben je net zo slecht bezig als een religieus fundamentalist. Je laat je dan niet overtuigen, no matter what.
There is no effing evidence of 'nuclear' EMP tests to find. After thousands of alleged 'nuclear' bomb tests, I'd expect there to be some reports, data/stats, photos, articles, film etc. supporting the 'vooral EMP' effect you still seem to be so sure about.
Just to re-cap...
When I asked you about the effects of a 'nuclear' bomb you replied:
'Vooral EMP'
You then claimed that there was much more info apart from the Starfish Prime 'nuclear' test to find - without providing any evidence/information to back up your claim.
You then wrote that the Soviets had 'veel info' about the Project K 'nuclear' tests,which you failed to provide a shred of the 'veel info'.
Now you claim that the much mentioned 'veel info' from the Russian 'nuclear' EMP tests exists, but is locked away somewhere but could also have been destroyed – also without any form of further information about the elusive EMP tests info whatsoever. Even if the 'veel info' existed, why the Soviets would've gathered data/results and then let it rot away in Siberia or destroy it all is anyones guess.
You referred to the 'EMP Hoax' article link I posted as 'full of shit'. If the article (book synopsis) is so 'full of shit' you should be able to list a few points at least, but you haven't and very probably can't.
Is there any information to find at all about 'nuclear' EMP from any of the other 'nuclear' nations?
I'm sure that if you (or others here) had found any definitive evidence of 'nuclear' EMP damage, you would have quite gleefully posted it by now.
You have not provided any evidence at all for 'nuclear' EMP .
You are basing your opinion purely on hearsay and what most of us are still misled to believe.
Please stop talking through your hat.
Anyway, moving on – apart from the 'vooral 'nuclear' EMP,' what are the other effects of a 'nuclear' bomb?
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Damn zeg, wat een fantasie weer. Ik stel voor dat je de volgende keer een betere poging doet om goed te lezen.quote:
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Ho fckin ho. LOL. No matter what
There is no effing evidence of 'nuclear' EMP tests to find. After thousands of alleged 'nuclear' bomb tests, I'd expect there to be some reports, data/stats, photos, articles, film etc. supporting the 'vooral EMP' effect you still seem to be so sure about.
Just to re-cap...
When I asked you about the effects of a 'nuclear' bomb you replied:
'Vooral EMP'
You then claimed that there was much more info apart from the Starfish Prime 'nuclear' test to find - without providing any evidence/information to back up your claim.
You then wrote that the Soviets had 'veel info' about the Project K 'nuclear' tests,which you failed to provide a shred of the 'veel info'.
Now you claim that the much mentioned 'veel info' from the Russian 'nuclear' EMP tests exists, but is locked away somewhere but could also have been destroyed – also without any form of further information about the elusive EMP tests info whatsoever. Even if the 'veel info' existed, why the Soviets would've gathered data/results and then let it rot away in Siberia or destroy it all is anyones guess.
You referred to the 'EMP Hoax' article link I posted as 'full of shit'. If the article (book synopsis) is so 'full of shit' you should be able to list a few points at least, but you haven't and very probably can't.
Is there any information to find at all about 'nuclear' EMP from any of the other 'nuclear' nations?
I'm sure that if you (or others here) had found any definitive evidence of 'nuclear' EMP damage, you would have quite gleefully posted it by now.
You have not provided any evidence at all for 'nuclear' EMP .
You are basing your opinion purely on hearsay and what most of us are still misled to believe.
Please stop talking through your hat.
Anyway, moving on – apart from the 'vooral 'nuclear' EMP,' what are the other effects of a 'nuclear' bomb?
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Onikaan ni ov dovah
It is fact, not fantasy, that you have failed to post anything at all to back up any of the claims you have made.quote:
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Damn zeg, wat een fantasie weer. Ik stel voor dat je de volgende keer een betere poging doet om goed te lezen.
And then making snidy remarks about my reading abilities is just pure desperation.
Please try and post something interesting, informative or useful to support your 'vooral EMP' claim (and the rest) and then I might respond...until then, adios. I'm not into handbag fights.
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Riiiight, want daar ben je echt zo geïnteresseerd in.... Daarom vond je het nodig om de boodschapper af te kraken, in plaats van inhoudelijk op de boodschap te reageren toen ik die eerste video uit de nukes voor dummies reeks postte.quote:
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It is fact, not fantasy, that you have failed to post anything at all to back up any of the claims you have made.
And then making snidy remarks about my reading abilities is just pure desperation.
Please try and post something interesting, informative or useful to support your 'vooral EMP' claim (and the rest) and then I might respond...until then, adios. I'm not into handbag fights.
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Eigenlijk als je het verder gaat ontleden, kom je op energie terrecht. Dus welke vorm van energie creatie kan wel en welke kan niet.quote:
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Deze discussie is sowieso zinloos als je 'nuclear' steeds tussen quotes zet. Als je al niet in kernenergie gelooft is het al helemaal zinloos om over de gevolgen van een kernbom te praten.
Pope John Paul II shot first!!!
Als je er over nadenkt zeker ja. Een kernwapen is op dezelfde principes gebaseerd als waar een kerncentrale zijn energie vandaan haalt. Dus als kernwapens niet bestaan, hoe zit het dan met kernenergie? En als dat niet echt is, zitten al de medewerkers van kerncentrales wereldwijd in een complot? En niet alleen die, maar ook de mensen die de (inter)national power grids reguleren. Dat zijn nogal wat mensen wereldwijd. Daarnaast is er nog het kleine punt van zoveel landen sinds WO2 die dan allemaal mee hebben gedaan aan het nuke complot, ook landen die openlijk elkaar's vijand waren of zijn.quote:
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Eigenlijk als je het verder gaat ontleden, kom je op energie terrecht. Dus welke vorm van energie creatie kan wel en welke kan niet.
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Ah yes,you mean the video with the gamer-scientist who couldn't get Einsteins first name right and hasn't even bothered to correct his howling mistake. If a history teacher for example stated that the German leader Randolph Hitler ordered the invasion of Poland in 1939, I would at least question and wouldn't really be able to take anything else seriously of what the history teacher might have to say.quote:
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Riiiight, want daar ben je echt zo geïnteresseerd in.... Daarom vond je het nodig om de boodschapper af te kraken, in plaats van inhoudelijk op de boodschap te reageren toen ik die eerste video uit de nukes voor dummies reeks postte.
The video you posted where for the first 3 minutes he goes on about video-'astro'games (of which you are also a fan?) and a science FICTION book by H.G. Wells. Then he goes into some scientific jargon which not that many people will really understand (and those who do are just pretending to do so) and talks a lot about theories and possibilities. At no point throughout the 14 minutes does he mention anything at all about EMP or any nuclear EMP tests being carried out by anyone.
The video you posted says absolutely nothing to support your claims of 'vooral EMP' (as an effect of a 'nuclear' bomb) or the 'veel info' that the Soviets allegedly collected during the Project K 'nuclear' tests.
EMP - Electromagnetic Pulse - What is it?
https://www.vtyoob.com/video/SOC8kNpRhZ0
Seems like a yet another load of fearmongering bullshit.
All theory and theatre and still no evidence.
Yet you still seem to believe it. You are assuming that the theory and everything we are told about it, is true. You are nothing more than a scientistic-fantasist gamer.
Stop talking through your hat.
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Aaaahhhh dus je begrijpt het gewoon niet? Dat kan ook, is geen schande.quote:
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...
Then he goes into some scientific jargon which not that many people will really understand (and those who do are just pretending to do so) and talks a lot about theories and possibilities.
Waarom zou die video over EMP moeten gaan?quote:At no point throughout the 14 minutes does he mention anything at all about EMP or any nuclear EMP tests being carried out by anyone.
The video you posted says absolutely nothing to support your claims of 'vooral EMP' (as an effect of a 'nuclear' bomb) or the 'veel info' that the Soviets allegedly collected during the Project K 'nuclear' tests.
EMP - Electromagnetic Pulse - What is it?
https://www.vtyoob.com/video/SOC8kNpRhZ0
Seems like a yet another load of fearmongering bullshit.
All theory and theatre and still no evidence.
Yet you still seem to believe it. You are assuming that the theory and everything we are told about it, is true. You are nothing more than a scientistic-fantasist gamer.
Stop talking through your hat.
Maar goed, dit is wel weer een voorbeeld van niet op de inhoud reageren, en afleiden met bijzaken. Ik heb ondertussen een bescheiden begrip ja van de natuurkunde basics achter kernwapens. Die kerel weet het redelijk begrijpelijk uit te leggen, wat zeker kan helpen in dit topic.
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Still nothing of the 'veel info' about 'vooral EMP' to post then.quote:
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Aaaahhhh dus je begrijpt het gewoon niet? Dat kan ook, is geen schande.
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Waarom zou die video over EMP moeten gaan?
I might respond when if you eventually post anything of interest to back up the claims you made. Until then - adios.
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Dat heb ik toch al gedaan? Jouw bron claimde dat die VS test de enige was, dat was duidelijk onzin gezien de sovjet tests. Wat wil je dan nog meer?quote:
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Still nothing of the 'veel info' about 'vooral EMP' to post then.
I might respond when if you eventually post anything of interest to back up the claims you made. Until then - adios.
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Onikaan ni ov dovah
No.Absolutely NOT. All you have done is make a couple of completely unsubstantiated claims and expect people to take your word for it.quote:
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Dat heb ik toch al gedaan? Jouw bron claimde dat die VS test de enige was, dat was duidelijk onzin gezien de sovjet tests. Wat wil je dan nog meer?
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Meer dan genoeg om een stroman argument omver te werpen.quote:
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No.Absolutely NOT. All you have done is make a couple of completely unsubstantiated claims and expect people to take your word for it.
Maar goed, hier komen we blijkbaar niet uit. Hoe denk je dan over alle andere problemen met de no-nukes hypothese? Hoe verklaar je bijvoorbeeld de ionospherische verstoringen bij een high-altitude explosie. Hoe verklaar je de double flash bij een atmosferische explosie. En ook een leuke, waar denk je dat kernenergie vandaan komt?
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Ik ben ook wel benieuwd of kerncentrales stiekem op kolen draaien.
Als je in de scheikunde ervan duikt, zou er dan nooit een professor zijn geweest die het bestaan van nucleaire bommen heeft getracht te ontkennen? Dit is toch veel te groot om stil te houden?
Als je in de scheikunde ervan duikt, zou er dan nooit een professor zijn geweest die het bestaan van nucleaire bommen heeft getracht te ontkennen? Dit is toch veel te groot om stil te houden?
Vanzelfsprekend zou dat al lang uitgekomen zijn.quote:
Ik ben ook wel benieuwd of kerncentrales stiekem op kolen draaien.
Als je in de scheikunde ervan duikt, zou er dan nooit een professor zijn geweest die het bestaan van nucleaire bommen heeft getracht te ontkennen? Dit is toch veel te groot om stil te houden?
Nee natuurlijk gebeurt dat niet, ze moeten ook al ruimtereizen in scène zetten en Dino botten verstoppen in de grond, daar zijn ze al druk zat mee.quote:
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Vanzelfsprekend zou dat al lang uitgekomen zijn.
Om maar te zwijgen over doktoren en artsen die te maken hebben met radioactiviteit.
Pope John Paul II shot first!!!
Ja, druk zat.quote:
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Nee natuurlijk gebeurt dat niet, ze moeten ook al ruimtereizen in scène zetten en Dino botten verstoppen in de grond, daar zijn ze al druk zat mee.
Om maar te zwijgen over doktoren en artsen die te maken hebben met radioactiviteit.
Because I asked you specifically to provide information to back up your claim that EMP is a major effect from an atomic bomb.quote:
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Waarom zou die video over EMP moeten gaan?
That was weeks ago and you still havent got anywhere near doing so.
Nuclear EMP is a scaremongering, alarmist theory and you should know that.
If you were honest you would have admitted that you could not find any info after all.
Then I would not have had to ask you several times when you continued to evade the question.
And you are still trying to snake out of it.
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Off topic.quote:
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Nee natuurlijk gebeurt dat niet, ze moeten ook al ruimtereizen in scène zetten en Dino botten verstoppen in de grond, daar zijn ze al druk zat mee.
Om maar te zwijgen over doktoren en artsen die te maken hebben met radioactiviteit.
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Oh ja and what are your opinions about nuclear EMP?quote:
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
En dus mag ik geen andere meer algemene video's van jou posten?quote:
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Because I asked you specifically to provide information to back up your claim that EMP is a major effect from an atomic bomb.
That was weeks ago and you still havent got anywhere near doing so.
Nuclear EMP is a scaremongering, alarmist theory and you should know that.
If you were honest you would have admitted that you could not find any info after all.
Then I would not have had to ask you several times when you continued to evade the question.
And you are still trying to snake out of it.
Doe eens even normaal zeg.
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Weet er niet genoeg van af om daar een oordeel over te geven.quote:
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Oh ja and what are your opinions about nuclear EMP?
Here's a little more information for anyone else out there who is genuinely interested in the 'veel info' about the 'vooral EMP' effects of an 'atomic' bomb....
Effect of the FAST NUCLEAR ELECTROMAGNETIC PULSE on the
Electric Power Grid Nationwide: A Different View
https://arxiv.org/pdf/physics/0307127.pdf
I haven't looked much into the modern/recent 'nuclear EMP' aspects and the perpetuators of the quite present EMP nuclear theoretical/theatrical baloney, but it seems to be a bit neocon/Trumpish. But thats's not important.
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Effect of the FAST NUCLEAR ELECTROMAGNETIC PULSE on the
Electric Power Grid Nationwide: A Different View
https://arxiv.org/pdf/physics/0307127.pdf
There's a lot of scientific jargon (that I for one don't pretend to understand) in the excerpts of the above paper, but I am a mere non-scientistically educated soul.quote:'This paper primarily considers the potential effects of a single high-altitude
nuclear burst on the U.S. power grid. A comparison is made between EMP and
natural phenomena such as lightning. This paper concludes that EMP is no more
harmful to the power grid than its counterparts in nature. An upper limit of the
electric field of the very fast, high-amplitude EMP is derived from first principles.
The resulting values are significantly lower than the commonly presented values.
Additional calculations show that the ionization produced by a nuclear burst
severely attenuates the EMP”
p.17 :
SENATE HEARINGS
'As mentioned earlier, the Senate Hearings of 1963 [9] shed considerable light on what happened during Starfish and the other nuclear bomb tests near Hawaii in 1962. Nowhere in the 981 pages of sworn testimony and Senatorial comments does it mention the popping of circuit breakers, the downing of power lines, or any electrical disturbance on the Hawaiian utility system. Streetlights are not even mentioned.'
'Although the United States has conducted only one high-altitude, high-yield nuclear test, Starfish, the Soviet Union (and probably others) have conducted many such tests. EMP does not recognize national borders. Many bordering and nearby countries have been within the line-of-sight horizon of the Soviet EMP producing nuclear bursts. Yet, there have been no EMP complaints from these countries.
There have been no reported power or communication outages caused by these tests.'
p.20 :
CONCLUSION
'The energy of the TEMP is one millionth of the bomb's energy release spread out over
millions of square miles. Certainly, the lack of damage to both the power and the
communications systems in Hawaii from the 1.4-Mt Starfish blast counters the view that the
effects of EMP are devastating to such systems.'
'Based upon the analyses presented in this paper and in Refs. [7-81, it appears highly
improbable if not impossible that the EMP from a single nuclear burst could blackout this
nation's power grid. It would be practically impossible for the EMP to cause widespread damage to the U.S. transmission line system. '
I haven't looked much into the modern/recent 'nuclear EMP' aspects and the perpetuators of the quite present EMP nuclear theoretical/theatrical baloney, but it seems to be a bit neocon/Trumpish. But thats's not important.
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In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
I didn't say that at all.quote:
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En dus mag ik geen andere meer algemene video's van jou posten?
You should take your own 'doe eens even normaal' advies. Zeg.
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Hoe denk jij over kernenergie?quote:
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I didn't say that at all.
You should take your own 'doe eens even normaal' advies. Zeg.
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Like I said - I'm more interested in the effects of 'atomic' bombs right now.quote:
Please feel free to join in the discussion if you think you may have anything interesting or constructive to contribute.
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Dit is een effect van een atoombomb, het vrijkomen van energie. Het enige verschil is het tempo, en wat er mee gedaan wordt, dus zeker heel relevant voor de vraag of kernwapens bestaan.quote:
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Like I said - I'm more interested in the effects of 'atomic' bombs right now.
Please feel free to join in the discussion if you think you may have anything interesting or constructive to contribute.
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Onikaan ni ov dovah
'Sorry' to disappoint you, but I have way more trust in the other sources of information I have found rather than the wishy-washy claims that you have made for the last month or so. Or even the last 6 years since I've been posting here for that matter.quote:
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Dit is een effect van een atoombomb, het vrijkomen van energie. Het enige verschil is het tempo, en wat er mee gedaan wordt, dus zeker heel relevant voor de vraag of kernwapens bestaan.
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Wacht, wat dispute je hier nou precies?quote:
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'Sorry' to disappoint you, but I have way more trust in the other sources of information I have found rather than the wishy-washy claims that you have made for the last month or so. Or even the last 6 years since I've been posting here for that matter.
Dat energie vrijkomt bij een kernexplosie?
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Onikaan ni ov dovah
I'm disputing your 'vooral EMP' and 'veel info' claims for now.quote:
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Wacht, wat dispute je hier nou precies?
Not so fast Batman.
Maybe you can elaborate more on the other effects of an atomic bomb....apart from your Billy Big Balls type 'vooral EMP' claiim.
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Ja dat weten we ondertussen wel. Maar wat vind je van kernenergie?quote:
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I'm disputing your 'vooral EMP' and 'veel info' claims for now.
Not so fast Batman.
Maybe you can elaborate more on the other effects of an atomic bomb....apart from your Billy Big Balls type 'vooral EMP' claiim.
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Onikaan ni ov dovah
You didn't read the information I posted.quote:
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Ja dat weten we ondertussen wel. Maar wat vind je van kernenergie?
You are very desperately trying to change the subject again.
I asked you about the effects of an 'atomic' bomb.
'vooral EMP' you replied.
You do not have any evidence to support your claiim.
Try to be honest with yourself at least.
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Grappig dat je over niet goed lezen schrijft, in een post waar heel duidelijk is dat je zelf niet goed gelezen hebtquote:
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You didn't read the information I posted.
You are very desperately trying to change the subject again.
I asked you about the effects of an 'atomic' bomb.
'vooral EMP' you replied.
You do not have any evidence to support your claiim.
Try to be honest with yourself at least.
Ik heb nooit beweerd dat het effect van een nuke vooral EMP is.
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Onikaan ni ov dovah
.....quote:
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Eigenlijk alle effecten wel, maar vooral de EMP.
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Fijn avond verder allemaal.
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
En waar beweer ik daar dat het effect van een nuke vooral EMP isquote:
Kijk naar de voorgaande posts in die reeks. Ik had het er over dat er meer nuke effecten zijn om te verklaren, waarbij EMP de meest voor de hand liggende is. Verstoring van radio frequenties is bijvoorbeeld 1 van de andere effecten van die explosie.Dus ja, je hebt niet goed gelezen.
Maar wat vind je nou van kernenergie? Is dat ook nep?
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Dus is dit topic useless. Jij wilt niet discussiëren en al helemaal geen feiten aannemen.quote:
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'Sorry' to disappoint you, but I have way more trust in the other sources of information I have found rather than the wishy-washy claims that you have made for the last month or so. Or even the last 6 years since I've been posting here for that matter.
Zo blijf je bewust onwetend.
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hij vraagt al weken om de bron van de claim ,schijnbaar hoeft hekje niet datgene te doen wat hij altijd wel van andere verwacht...zijn bekende taktiek
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Δημοσθένης
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18FgnFVm5k0&fmt=37&hd=1&autoplay=1
Δημοσθένης
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18FgnFVm5k0&fmt=37&hd=1&autoplay=1
Dat gedraai is leuk, maar laat het wel om de inhoud gaan aub.
A child is born with no state of mind.
Het is apart dat hier de bewijslast wordt omgedraaid. Ik zie ten eerste ATuin-hek op de vraag "welke effecten bedoel je?", "Alle effecten wel, vooral EMP" zeggen - dat betekent dat hij vooral de EMP bedoelt, dat betekent niet dat dat het voornaamste feit is jongens.
Ten tweede is er toch legio informatie over atoombommen beschikbaar? Er zijn enorm veel boeken en wetenschappelijke teksten over die heel erg diep in de materie gaan. Als je dat wilt ontkennen, dan kan je toch niet ineens zeggen "Bewijs maar dat het wel kan"?
Wie heeft al die informatie bedacht als het niet werkt, en komt dat nooit uit dan?
https://cnduk.org/how-do-nuclear-weapons-work/
Dat is natuurlijk niet door jan en alleman te reproduceren, dus als atoombommen niet bestaan omdat ik er zelf geen eentje kan maken, lijkt me dat niet een hele sterke beargumentering.
Ik zie ten eerste ATuin-hek op de vraag "welke effecten bedoel je?", "Alle effecten wel, vooral EMP" zeggen - dat betekent dat hij vooral de EMP bedoelt, dat betekent niet dat dat het voornaamste feit is jongens.Ten tweede is er toch legio informatie over atoombommen beschikbaar? Er zijn enorm veel boeken en wetenschappelijke teksten over die heel erg diep in de materie gaan. Als je dat wilt ontkennen, dan kan je toch niet ineens zeggen "Bewijs maar dat het wel kan"?
Wie heeft al die informatie bedacht als het niet werkt, en komt dat nooit uit dan?
https://cnduk.org/how-do-nuclear-weapons-work/
Dat is natuurlijk niet door jan en alleman te reproduceren, dus als atoombommen niet bestaan omdat ik er zelf geen eentje kan maken, lijkt me dat niet een hele sterke beargumentering.
Jep, precies datquote:
Het is apart dat hier de bewijslast wordt omgedraaid.
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Vooral en voornaamste zijn synoniemen van elkaar.quote:
Instead of questioning authority, they question those that question authority.
What he meant with "Eigenlijk alle effecten wel, maar vooral de EMP." is that you should explain the effect of EMP over the other effects because in the way he states it, EMP is the effect that deserves most explanation if you say nukes are fake.quote:
Volgens mij heb jij duidelijk aangegeven dat er helemaal niet veel info over de effecten van EMP in de testverslagen is beschreven en heb je prima voorbeelden aangedragen die het tegendeel van die EMP claim aantonen. Ik denk dat de bal nu bij tuinhek ligt en dat hij nu toch echt eens moet komen met bronnen die aantonen dat EMP echt een waarneembaar en schadelijk effect is geweest bij die tests.
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Instead of questioning authority, they question those that question authority.
Thanks for clearing that up.quote:
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What he meant with "Eigenlijk alle effecten wel, maar vooral de EMP." is that you should explain the effect of EMP over the other effects because in the way he states it, EMP is the effect that deserves most explanation if you say nukes are fake.
Volgens mij heb jij duidelijk aangegeven dat er helemaal niet veel info over de effecten van EMP in de testverslagen is beschreven en heb je prima voorbeelden aangedragen die het tegendeel van die EMP claim aantonen. Ik denk dat de bal nu bij tuinhek ligt en dat hij nu toch echt eens moet komen met bronnen die aantonen dat EMP echt een waarneembaar en schadelijk effect is geweest bij die tests.
And plus the fact that there still has not been any evidence of nuclear EMP presented - vooral, voornamelijk or otherwise.
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Jij hebt je claims ook niet bewezen.quote:
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Thanks for clearing that up.
And plus the fact that there still has not been any evidence of nuclear EMP presented - vooral, voornamelijk or otherwise.
Zo komen we nog geen moer verder.
I haven’t yet looked properly into the political angles of the ‘nuclear’EMP scaremongery, but much of it seems to be coming from neocon/former military types/organisations. A lot of ‘if this technology gets into the hands of terrorists’ type phrasing being used.
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
I must say you've got a lot of 'knowledge'.quote:
I haven’t yet looked properly into the political angles of the ‘nuclear’EMP scaremongery, but much of it seems to be coming from neocon/former military types/organisations. A lot of ‘if this technology gets into the hands of terrorists’ type phrasing being used.
But what happened at Hiroshima and what was 'genius' Einstein rambling about according to you?
"Evil Alien Conquerers....They Rule!"
Terrorist EMP? Die ben ik nog niet eerder tegen gekomen.quote:
I haven’t yet looked properly into the political angles of the ‘nuclear’EMP scaremongery, but much of it seems to be coming from neocon/former military types/organisations. A lot of ‘if this technology gets into the hands of terrorists’ type phrasing being used.
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
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EMP from terrorist 'nuclear' bombs. Am sure you'll find some info if you actually ever bother to do some searching.quote:
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Terrorist EMP? Die ben ik nog niet eerder tegen gekomen.
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Je moet gewoon meer youtubecomments lezen voor die betrouwbare info!
Just a humble motherfucker with a big dick.
Hoe dan? Jatten ze er ook even een flinke raket bij?quote:
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EMP from terrorist 'nuclear' bombs. Am sure you'll find some info if you actually ever bother to do some searching.
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Beetje blijven nadenken he.quote:
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Hoe dan? Jatten ze er ook even een flinke raket bij?
Bijvoorbeeld:
https://ctc.usma.edu/the-(...)ans-nuclear-weapons/
Instead of questioning authority, they question those that question authority.
Verkeerde link gepost? EMP komt daar niet in voor.quote:Op donderdag 15 november 2018 13:24 schreef DupingDelight het volgende:
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Beetje blijven nadenken he.
Bijvoorbeeld:
https://ctc.usma.edu/the-(...)ans-nuclear-weapons/
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
Onikaan ni ov dovah
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EMP is toch een altijd aanwezig gevolg van een nuke? Dat is althans wat jij zegt, dus dan gaat deze link prima op.quote:
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Verkeerde link gepost? EMP komt daar niet in voor.
Instead of questioning authority, they question those that question authority.
Nee dat is het niet (niet buiten de vuurbal iig), en dat zeg ik niet.quote:
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EMP is toch een altijd aanwezig gevolg van een nuke? Dat is althans wat jij zegt, dus dan gaat deze link prima op.
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Ah niet buiten de vuurbal.. EMP beperkt zich dus tot de vuurbal?
Instead of questioning authority, they question those that question authority.
neequote:
Ah niet buiten de vuurbal.. EMP beperkt zich dus tot de vuurbal?
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Soms wel en soms niet dus?quote:
Kun je ook aantonen dat dit zo is in bijvoorbeeld testverslagen van kernexplosies?
Instead of questioning authority, they question those that question authority.
Weet ik niet - moet je aan de neocons/military organisaties die met de 'nuclear'EMP bangmakerij verhaaltjes vragen.quote:
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Hoe dan? Jatten ze er ook even een flinke raket bij?
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Your source neglected to mention that?quote:
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Weet ik niet - moet je aan de neocons/military organisaties die met de 'nuclear'EMP bangmakerij verhaaltjes vragen.
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Wat zijn die "bangmakerij verhaaltjes" waar dinges de hele tijd op hamert trouwens? Ik heb ze niet meegekregen?
De enige bangmakerij lijkt weer te komen van de mensen die maar niet kunnen ophouden over bangmakerij.
De enige bangmakerij lijkt weer te komen van de mensen die maar niet kunnen ophouden over bangmakerij.
Just a humble motherfucker with a big dick.
Koude oorlog?quote:
Wat zijn die "bangmakerij verhaaltjes" waar dinges de hele tijd op hamert trouwens? Ik heb ze niet meegekregen?
De enige bangmakerij lijkt weer te komen van de mensen die maar niet kunnen ophouden over bangmakerij.
Pope John Paul II shot first!!!
Beetje laat om dat te herkauwen en nu te doen alsof we daarmee doodgegooid zouden worden.quote:
Just a humble motherfucker with a big dick.
Ik pis in mijn broek, maar goed men leerde mij vroeger ook om links en rechts te kijken bij het oversteken.quote:
En toch ben ik niet bang voor auto's.
Pope John Paul II shot first!!!
Ja interessant tochquote:
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Ik pis in mijn broek, maar goed men leerde mij vroeger ook om links en rechts te kijken bij het oversteken.
En toch ben ik niet bang voor auto's.
Je kan je ook afvragen hoeveel zo'n duck & cover nou echt zou helpen. Misschien meer om het publiek gerust te stellen.
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
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Onikaan ni ov dovah
Nja.. Noord Korea heeft nu ook atoom wapens, niet dat het van kaliber zijn zoals VS of GB India Pakistan, Frankrijk, Rusland..quote:
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Beetje laat om dat te herkauwen en nu te doen alsof we daarmee doodgegooid zouden worden.
Maar noord.. Koud.. Nieuwe koude oorlog?
Plus ik sta liever in epicentrum van atoombom, dan dat ik "ik noem maar iets" een ernstige ziekte krijg..
Waarom? Boem.. Klaar foetsie..
Pope John Paul II shot first!!!
Instorten van gebouw, On bureau desk helpt echt wel iets.quote:
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Ja interessant toch
De reden om zo klein mogelijk te maken, werkt echt wel als iets op instorten staat, doet me beetje denken aan de afl van Southpark - Vulcan.
Pope John Paul II shot first!!!
Here's an appropriately titled(at least) musical interlude...dig the sax solo at 1:13.quote:
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Soms wel en soms niet dus?
Kun je ook aantonen dat dit zo is in bijvoorbeeld testverslagen van kernexplosies?
The Velvelettes – Needle in a Haystack
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Which source neglected to mention what?quote:
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Your source neglected to mention that?
Please try to be more specific.
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Lees nou gewoon waar je op reageerde...quote:
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Which source neglected to mention what?
Please try to be more specific.
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Onikaan ni ov dovah
This 4min video I posted last week which you obviously didn't take the time to watch.quote:
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Lees nou gewoon waar je op reageerde...
https://www.vtyoob.com/video/SOC8kNpRhZ0
“It (EMP) is the greatest threat that faces our nation today”
“A single nuclear weapon, if you are doing an EMP attack, you could basically eliminate the United States as an actor on the world stage”.
It's very dramatic language in my opinion. Do you agree with Peter Pry - the nuclear EMP threat propagandist?
The vid does not mention 'terrorists' but I read something somewhere (The Hill maybe) along the lines of 'if terrorists....'. Anyway as I said,I haven't yet had the time to look into the political aspects of EMP properly.
I'll post some more later, depending on how many interesting, thoughtful responses and posts are made and questions answered in an honest, direct manner, and then see if it's worth the bother.
I hope you at least know by now (even if you probably won't ever admit it) that the nuclear EMP issue is just scaremongery and based on theory alone.If you want to go on arguing about it - fine, but you're going to have to dig way deeper.
Sometimes it's just easier to admit you were wrong about an issue.
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Of het the greatest threat is weet ik niet, maar verder lijkt het allemaal wel te kloppen ja.quote:
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This 4min video I posted last week which you obviously didn't take the time to watch.
https://www.vtyoob.com/video/SOC8kNpRhZ0
“It (EMP) is the greatest threat that faces our nation today”
“A single nuclear weapon, if you are doing an EMP attack, you could basically eliminate the United States as an actor on the world stage”.
It's very dramatic language in my opinion. Do you agree with Peter Pry - the nuclear EMP threat propagandist?
Hoe moet ik dat 'weten' dan? Jij komt hier niet verder dan een 'het bestaat niet'.quote:The vid does not mention 'terrorists' but I read something somewhere (The Hill maybe) along the lines of 'if terrorists....'. Anyway as I said,I haven't yet had the time to look into the political aspects of EMP properly.
I'll post some more later, depending on how many interesting, thoughtful responses and posts are made and questions answered in an honest, direct manner, and then see if it's worth the bother.
I hope you at least know by now (even if you probably won't ever admit it) that the nuclear EMP issue is just scaremongery and based on theory alone.If you want to go on arguing about it - fine, but you're going to have to dig way deeper.
Sometimes it's just easier to admit you were wrong about an issue.
Maar goed, over dit subdeel komen we zo inderdaad niet verder. Dus wat vind je nou van kernenergie? Dat is allemaal een stuk simpeler, en een stuk dichter bij het dagelijks leven.
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Nucleaire energie, en haar derivaten, zijn sinds WOII vrij duidelijk gedocumenteerd. Dit wordt nu in twijfel getrokken. Moet dan alle bestaande documentatie herhaald worden, of moet degene die het bestaan van nucleaire energie in twijfel trekt dat aannemelijk maken?
Waar ligt de bewijslast precies?
Als de atoombom-ontkenners om bewijs vragen, mag ik dat ook denk ik. Wat is nou hetgeen wat men kan doen vermoeden dat dit allemaal een enorme hoax is? Met andere woorden, denkt er echt iemand dat dit compleet gelogen is, van de Nazi's en Project Manhattan tot aan moderne kerncentrales die we zelfs in Nederland in de achtertuin hebben?
Ik kan genoeg bewijs plaatsen dat atoomsplijting en dergelijke dingen gewoon echt gebeuren, maar als een wetenschappelijke theorie wordt afgedaan als "het is maar een theorie" is het natuurlijk gauw over jongens.
Bonusvraag - Wat denken de mensen die atoombommen ontkennen van de Hadron particle collider? In hoeverre is dat op waarheid gebaseerd?
Waar ligt de bewijslast precies?
Als de atoombom-ontkenners om bewijs vragen, mag ik dat ook denk ik. Wat is nou hetgeen wat men kan doen vermoeden dat dit allemaal een enorme hoax is? Met andere woorden, denkt er echt iemand dat dit compleet gelogen is, van de Nazi's en Project Manhattan tot aan moderne kerncentrales die we zelfs in Nederland in de achtertuin hebben?
Ik kan genoeg bewijs plaatsen dat atoomsplijting en dergelijke dingen gewoon echt gebeuren, maar als een wetenschappelijke theorie wordt afgedaan als "het is maar een theorie" is het natuurlijk gauw over jongens.
Bonusvraag - Wat denken de mensen die atoombommen ontkennen van de Hadron particle collider? In hoeverre is dat op waarheid gebaseerd?
I certainly don't know how you could base your belief in nuclear EMP without any practical evidence. You haven't found any otherwise you would have very happily posted it.quote:
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Of het the greatest threat is weet ik niet, maar verder lijkt het allemaal wel te kloppen ja.
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Hoe moet ik dat 'weten' dan? Jij komt hier niet verder dan een 'het bestaat niet'.
Maar goed, over dit subdeel komen we zo inderdaad niet verder. Dus wat vind je nou van kernenergie? Dat is allemaal een stuk simpeler, en een stuk dichter bij het dagelijks leven.
Says who? I think we can go quite a bit 'verder over dit subdeel'. There are a few other claims you have made in which you have failed miserably to support.
As I've already written, I haven't had the time to go into the nuclear energy subject. You seem quite keen to move onto another subject.
I'd also want to know more about the other effects of an atomic bomb after the 'vooral EMP' effect/theory has been cleared up properly.
The proof of the pudding is in the eating, as the saying goes..unless you have been eating too many hypothetical puddings.
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Dit vooral/voornamelijk ja.quote:
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I certainly don't know how you could base your belief in nuclear EMP without any practical evidence. You haven't found any otherwise you would have very happily posted it.
Says who? I think we can go quite a bit 'verder over dit subdeel'. There are a few other claims you have made in which you have failed miserably to support.
As I've already written, I haven't had the time to go into the nuclear energy subject. You seem quite keen to move onto another subject.
I'd also want to know more about the other effects of an atomic bomb after the 'vooral EMP' effect/theory has been cleared up properly.
The proof of the pudding is in the eating, as the saying goes..unless you have been eating too many hypothetical puddings.
Instead of questioning authority, they question those that question authority.
Welke claims zijn dat zoal dan? En waarom weet je zelf nog niet wat voor unieke effecten een nuke allemaal heeft? Surely heb je toch een beetje je huiswerk gedaan voor hier zo'n uitgesproken mening over te hebben.quote:
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I certainly don't know how you could base your belief in nuclear EMP without any practical evidence. You haven't found any otherwise you would have very happily posted it.
Says who? I think we can go quite a bit 'verder over dit subdeel'. There are a few other claims you have made in which you have failed miserably to support.
As I've already written, I haven't had the time to go into the nuclear energy subject. You seem quite keen to move onto another subject.
I'd also want to know more about the other effects of an atomic bomb after the 'vooral EMP' effect/theory has been cleared up properly.
The proof of the pudding is in the eating, as the saying goes..unless you have been eating too many hypothetical puddings.
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Onikaan ni ov dovah
'Vooral/ voornamelijk' - your claim that the 'EMP hoax' article was 'full of shit' for example. You should be able to go through the whole piece and point out some interesting 'shit' to back up your claiim Then the 'Soviet Project K' tests - also nothing. But then you seem to have quite some faith in the alarmist/fearmongering views of characters such as Peter Pry, who, like you – does not produce anything more than a theory.quote:
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Welke claims zijn dat zoal dan? En waarom weet je zelf nog niet wat voor unieke effecten een nuke allemaal heeft? Surely heb je toch een beetje je huiswerk gedaan voor hier zo'n uitgesproken mening over te hebben.
For someone as yorurself, who has (several times) claimed to have some scientific understanding, your opinions/explanations seem more than a little shallow.
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Ik herhaal mezelf nog maar eens dan. Dat artikel beweerde dat die VS test de enige test was. Als je een dergelijke cruciale fout maakt is het duidelijk dat de schrijver nog niet eens een oppervlakkig onderzoek heeft gedaan over het onderwerp. Beetje alsof iemand beweerd dat NASA de enige ruimtevaartorganisatie is. Die neem je dan ook niet zo serieus meer.quote:
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'Vooral/ voornamelijk' - your claim that the 'EMP hoax' article was 'full of shit' for example. You should be able to go through the whole piece and point out some interesting 'shit' to back up your claiim Then the 'Soviet Project K' tests - also nothing. But then you seem to have quite some faith in the alarmist/fearmongering views of characters such as Peter Pry, who, like you – does not produce anything more than a theory.
For someone as yorurself, who has (several times) claimed to have some scientific understanding, your opinions/explanations seem more than a little shallow.
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Net als met Flat Earth, zul je moeten bewijzen dat de aarde plat is.
Als je atoombommen ontkent, is daar dus ook geen bewijs van dat het nep is.
Blijft grappig dat mensen een dergelijk simpel concept als bewijsvoering niet begrijpen.
Als je atoombommen ontkent, is daar dus ook geen bewijs van dat het nep is.
Blijft grappig dat mensen een dergelijk simpel concept als bewijsvoering niet begrijpen.
You can repeat your claims that there were more tests all you effin want, but they still don't mean jackshit until you come with some useful, reliable information and results about the other tests and the nuclear EMP THEORY which you have so much belief in.quote:
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Ik herhaal mezelf nog maar eens dan. Dat artikel beweerde dat die VS test de enige test was. Als je een dergelijke cruciale fout maakt is het duidelijk dat de schrijver nog niet eens een oppervlakkig onderzoek heeft gedaan over het onderwerp. Beetje alsof iemand beweerd dat NASA de enige ruimtevaartorganisatie is. Die neem je dan ook niet zo serieus meer.
Please quote sentences in the synopsis (if you have actually even read it) and then state your specific disagreements.
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Here's a little more info about 'nuclear' EMP 'tests'.
The writer of the following seems to be a bit of an oddball and even states that he is 'proud to be a freak'. Anyway, maybe a lot of those scientific types are quite wacky and weird – and many of them not in a nice way. Maybe some of them are also pretentious, pompous creeps. There are as many crooked scientistic professionals as there are in any other profession.
The writer makes a lot of claims but fails to back any of them up.
The 1962 Soviet Nuclear EMP Tests over Kazakhstan
http://www.futurescience.com/emp/test184.html
I will try to provide as much accurate information as possible about this series of high-altitude nuclear tests, although there is a considerable amount of information about the EMP effects of these particular tests that I would very much like to know more about. I will also try to be very careful about accuracy since some of the available information is inaccurate, even in respectable publications. and I don't want to add to the confusion.
The first two of the K Project high-altitude nuclear tests (in 1961) over Kazakhstan were only 1.2 kilotons, so the EMP could be carefully measured, but apparently did not have much of an impact on the 1961 infrastructure of Kazakhstan.
The world's first spaceport, the Baikonur Cosmodrome, is about 300 kilometers (190 miles) to the southwest of the detonation point, and with the orientation of the geomagnetic field over Kazakhstan, the Baikonur Cosmodrome should have received some of the worst of the EMP effects, although nothing about this has been openly reported.
Other known effects of Test 184 were that it knocked out a major 1000-kilometer (600-mile) underground power line running from Astana (then called Aqmola), now the capital city of Kazakhstan, toward the city of Almaty. Some fires were reported. In the city of Karaganda, the EMP started a fire in the city's electrical power plant, which was connected to the long underground power line. The shielded electrical cable was buried 3 feet (90 cm.) underground. (Most details about this underground line are very sketchy, and the reported length seems to be impossibly long for a single length of line carrying any kind of alternating current without some sort of re-generating station.)
It is known from several sources that the EMP from Test 184 started a fire in the Karaganda power plant, but virtually no details have been released about this event. It has sometimes been stated that the power plant was completely destroyed, but the only thing I have found to substantiate this is a sentence in the official notes taken of a meeting between Russian scientists and U.S. scientists at the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory in February 1995. One sentence in those notes about EMP damage is, "Destruction of the power supply at Karaganda." I have also not been able to find out if the damaged power plant was the only one operating in Karaganda at the time. Karaganda (spelled Qaraghandy on the map above) is a heavily industrialized city, and a center of the regional coal mining industry. It currently has several power plants in the area, but I don't know if there was more than one such facility in operation at the time of Test184.
Although that article has a lot of interesting details about the EMP effects on the overhead communications line, it doesn't have as much detail as I would have like to have seen.
It is clear from the data that has been released on the E1 component of the pulse that the thermonuclear weapon used in Test 184 was particularly inefficient in producing EMP.
The aspects of the Soviet space program described below are also factual, but their connection to the EMP from the 1962 high-altitude tests is my own speculation.
From the personal page of Jerry Emanuelson the author of the above article:
In many ways, maintaining this childlike sense of wonder and resonance with the world makes me a freak. However, as the main character says in the last episode of my favorite television show, "I'm proud to be a freak."
The writer of the following seems to be a bit of an oddball and even states that he is 'proud to be a freak'. Anyway, maybe a lot of those scientific types are quite wacky and weird – and many of them not in a nice way. Maybe some of them are also pretentious, pompous creeps. There are as many crooked scientistic professionals as there are in any other profession.
The writer makes a lot of claims but fails to back any of them up.
The 1962 Soviet Nuclear EMP Tests over Kazakhstan
http://www.futurescience.com/emp/test184.html
I will try to provide as much accurate information as possible about this series of high-altitude nuclear tests, although there is a considerable amount of information about the EMP effects of these particular tests that I would very much like to know more about. I will also try to be very careful about accuracy since some of the available information is inaccurate, even in respectable publications. and I don't want to add to the confusion.
The first two of the K Project high-altitude nuclear tests (in 1961) over Kazakhstan were only 1.2 kilotons, so the EMP could be carefully measured, but apparently did not have much of an impact on the 1961 infrastructure of Kazakhstan.
The world's first spaceport, the Baikonur Cosmodrome, is about 300 kilometers (190 miles) to the southwest of the detonation point, and with the orientation of the geomagnetic field over Kazakhstan, the Baikonur Cosmodrome should have received some of the worst of the EMP effects, although nothing about this has been openly reported.
Other known effects of Test 184 were that it knocked out a major 1000-kilometer (600-mile) underground power line running from Astana (then called Aqmola), now the capital city of Kazakhstan, toward the city of Almaty. Some fires were reported. In the city of Karaganda, the EMP started a fire in the city's electrical power plant, which was connected to the long underground power line. The shielded electrical cable was buried 3 feet (90 cm.) underground. (Most details about this underground line are very sketchy, and the reported length seems to be impossibly long for a single length of line carrying any kind of alternating current without some sort of re-generating station.)
It is known from several sources that the EMP from Test 184 started a fire in the Karaganda power plant, but virtually no details have been released about this event. It has sometimes been stated that the power plant was completely destroyed, but the only thing I have found to substantiate this is a sentence in the official notes taken of a meeting between Russian scientists and U.S. scientists at the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory in February 1995. One sentence in those notes about EMP damage is, "Destruction of the power supply at Karaganda." I have also not been able to find out if the damaged power plant was the only one operating in Karaganda at the time. Karaganda (spelled Qaraghandy on the map above) is a heavily industrialized city, and a center of the regional coal mining industry. It currently has several power plants in the area, but I don't know if there was more than one such facility in operation at the time of Test184.
Although that article has a lot of interesting details about the EMP effects on the overhead communications line, it doesn't have as much detail as I would have like to have seen.
It is clear from the data that has been released on the E1 component of the pulse that the thermonuclear weapon used in Test 184 was particularly inefficient in producing EMP.
The aspects of the Soviet space program described below are also factual, but their connection to the EMP from the 1962 high-altitude tests is my own speculation.
From the personal page of Jerry Emanuelson the author of the above article:
In many ways, maintaining this childlike sense of wonder and resonance with the world makes me a freak. However, as the main character says in the last episode of my favorite television show, "I'm proud to be a freak."
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2018/02/david-hathaway/emp-hoax/
Sandia Director of Testing Rejects EMP Theory
Another hypothesis made by a Sandia member (Navy Commander Don Shuster, Director of Field Testing at Sandia National Laboratories) rejected the idea of a nuclear EMP as the cause for the small number of failed street lights. His hypothesis, although probably more plausible than the nuclear EMP theory, was ignored when the team presented its conclusions.
Shuster explained how failures often occur when there is a near simultaneous switching of a large system-wide load from an “off” state to an “on” state. The mass switching would cause a heavier than normal burden on the system due to the additional start-up power. This spike in demand could result in system failures from such things as blown fuses.
Shuster explained that the streetlights in Honolulu were all activated by photocells. His theory noted that as night approaches, different areas become sufficiently dark incrementally causing the photocells to activate street lighting in stages. Street lighting comes on in a naturally staggered fashion since hills, buildings, land contours, and photocell orientation affect the time the circuit comes on. A building or a hillside that shades some photocells would cause different photocells to come on at different times.
During a normal evening sunset period, the staggered effect causes street lights to come on gradually. The activations are not close to simultaneous. Therefore, the start-up power demand at sunset is incremental. Shuster concluded that the 11 PM daylight effect from Starfish Prime may have caused the circuits to switch off and then, several minutes later, to switch on more in unison than a normal sunset situation.
Sandia Director of Testing Rejects EMP Theory
Another hypothesis made by a Sandia member (Navy Commander Don Shuster, Director of Field Testing at Sandia National Laboratories) rejected the idea of a nuclear EMP as the cause for the small number of failed street lights. His hypothesis, although probably more plausible than the nuclear EMP theory, was ignored when the team presented its conclusions.
Shuster explained how failures often occur when there is a near simultaneous switching of a large system-wide load from an “off” state to an “on” state. The mass switching would cause a heavier than normal burden on the system due to the additional start-up power. This spike in demand could result in system failures from such things as blown fuses.
Shuster explained that the streetlights in Honolulu were all activated by photocells. His theory noted that as night approaches, different areas become sufficiently dark incrementally causing the photocells to activate street lighting in stages. Street lighting comes on in a naturally staggered fashion since hills, buildings, land contours, and photocell orientation affect the time the circuit comes on. A building or a hillside that shades some photocells would cause different photocells to come on at different times.
During a normal evening sunset period, the staggered effect causes street lights to come on gradually. The activations are not close to simultaneous. Therefore, the start-up power demand at sunset is incremental. Shuster concluded that the 11 PM daylight effect from Starfish Prime may have caused the circuits to switch off and then, several minutes later, to switch on more in unison than a normal sunset situation.
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Note the vague language used in this:
Damage to Electronic Systems: Effects of Electromagnetic Pulse
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK219185/
In contrast to the effects of blast and fire, the electromagnetic pulses (EMP), generated as a result of airbursts, leave no visible signs. Nonetheless, in theory such pulses could be highly damaging to microcircuitry. Because of the partial test ban treaty (1963) and the highly sensitive nature of EMP to national security, there is little hard evidence to conclude just how much damage might be incurred. However, recent military interest in new communications technology, such as the $10 billion MILSTAR project, to protect against the effects of EMP suggests how serious the problem may prove to be. Although much of what is known about EMP either is classified as secret information or is highly speculative, the danger the phenomenon poses is very real. Telecommunications networks, information processing equipment, and highly sophisticated medical technology would be vulnerable and could be irreparably harmed by such a blast.1 The problems this pulse poses for electronic equipment are twofold. Electrical power grids would pick up the EMP and transmit a transient spike in voltage to equipment drawing power at the time of the detonation. The rapid rise in voltage would damage microprocessors in a way similar to that resulting from lightning strikes. However, the rise in voltage would be typically 100 times faster, thereby rendering common surge protectors ineffective. Second, the electronic component itself could pick up the pulse and generate internally induced currents. The result could produce physical damage to the equipment.
Concern about the potential effects of EMP is new, and as a result little is yet known about the social and economic consequences which might be triggered.
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Damage to Electronic Systems: Effects of Electromagnetic Pulse
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK219185/
In contrast to the effects of blast and fire, the electromagnetic pulses (EMP), generated as a result of airbursts, leave no visible signs. Nonetheless, in theory such pulses could be highly damaging to microcircuitry. Because of the partial test ban treaty (1963) and the highly sensitive nature of EMP to national security, there is little hard evidence to conclude just how much damage might be incurred. However, recent military interest in new communications technology, such as the $10 billion MILSTAR project, to protect against the effects of EMP suggests how serious the problem may prove to be. Although much of what is known about EMP either is classified as secret information or is highly speculative, the danger the phenomenon poses is very real. Telecommunications networks, information processing equipment, and highly sophisticated medical technology would be vulnerable and could be irreparably harmed by such a blast.1 The problems this pulse poses for electronic equipment are twofold. Electrical power grids would pick up the EMP and transmit a transient spike in voltage to equipment drawing power at the time of the detonation. The rapid rise in voltage would damage microprocessors in a way similar to that resulting from lightning strikes. However, the rise in voltage would be typically 100 times faster, thereby rendering common surge protectors ineffective. Second, the electronic component itself could pick up the pulse and generate internally induced currents. The result could produce physical damage to the equipment.
Concern about the potential effects of EMP is new, and as a result little is yet known about the social and economic consequences which might be triggered.
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In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
quote:
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Het is apart dat hier de bewijslast wordt omgedraaid.
Ten tweede is er toch legio informatie over atoombommen beschikbaar? Er zijn enorm veel boeken en wetenschappelijke teksten over die heel erg diep in de materie gaan. Als je dat wilt ontkennen, dan kan je toch niet ineens zeggen "Bewijs maar dat het wel kan"?
Wie heeft al die informatie bedacht als het niet werkt, en komt dat nooit uit dan?
https://cnduk.org/how-do-nuclear-weapons-work/
Dat is natuurlijk niet door jan en alleman te reproduceren, dus als atoombommen niet bestaan omdat ik er zelf geen eentje kan maken, lijkt me dat niet een hele sterke beargumentering.
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Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Niks meer over 'nuclear' EMP te zeggen dus.
Not that you wrote ANYTHING of interest anyway.
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Not that you wrote ANYTHING of interest anyway.
[ Bericht 65% gewijzigd door SuperHartje op 23-11-2018 09:11:05 ]
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Waarom kwam je nogmaals met die onzin bewering? Je weet dat ik dat helemaal niet stelde.quote:
Niks meer over 'nuclear' EMP te zeggen dus.
Not that you wrote ANYTHING of interest anyway.
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Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Onikaan ni ov dovah
There comes a time when repeated, unsubstantiated, persistent claims become lies.quote:
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Waarom kwam je nogmaals met die onzin bewering? Je weet dat ik dat helemaal niet stelde.
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Dat beantwoord de vraag niet. Waarom lieg je over wat ik claim?quote:
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There comes a time when repeated, unsubstantiated, persistent claims become lies.
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Onikaan ni ov dovah
What did you claim exactly? It was all a bit vague. Please be more specific.quote:
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Dat beantwoord de vraag niet. Waarom lieg je over wat ik claim?
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Zie post #280 hier direct boven.quote:
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What did you claim exactly? It was all a bit vague. Please be more specific.
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Onikaan ni ov dovah
As I suspected – the nuclear EMP threat is fearmongery coming from the political right.
Here are a few of the many examples....
Newt Gingrich (Donald Trump supporter)
https://www.politico.com/(...)ch-emp-attack-093002
A science fiction novel called “One Second After” told a cautionary tale of the doomsday scenario that would unfold if such an attack hit the U.S., frying electrical circuits and knocking out power. In the introduction to the book, Gingrich suggested that an EMP attack would “throw all of our lives back to an existence equal to that of the Middle Ages.”
“Millions would die in the first week alone,” he wrote in the foreword of the novel released in 2009.
Statement from the Republican Party. 2016:
Protection against an Electromagnetic Pulse
A single nuclear weapon detonated at high altitude over this country would collapse our electrical grid and other critical infrastructure and endanger the lives of millions. With North Korea in possession of nuclear missiles and Iran close to having them, an EMP is no longer a theoretical concern. Moreover, China and Russia include sabotage as part of their warfare planning.
Nonetheless, hundreds of electrical utility in the U.S. have not acted to protect themselves from EMP and they cannot be expected to do so voluntarily since homeland security is a government responsibility. We support the enactment of Republican legislation, pending in both chambers, to protect the national grid and encourage states to take the initiative to protect their own grids expeditiously.
James Oberg, a distinguished rocket scientist who visited North Korea’s satellite launch facility, warns in this recent Space Review article:
“There have been fears expressed that North Korea might use a satellite to carry a small nuclear warhead into orbit and then detonate it over the United States for an EMP strike. These concerns seem extreme and require an astronomical scale of irrationality on the part of the regime. The most frightening aspect, I’ve come to realize, is that exactly such a scale of insanity is now evident in the rest of their ‘space program.’ That doomsday scenario, it now seems, has become plausible enough to compel the United States to take active measures to insure that no North Korean satellite, unless thoroughly inspected before launch, be allowed to reach orbit and ever overfly the United States.”
Also Al Jazeera is in on it.
ONE MINUTE | Nuclear E.M.P. explained
Here is a bit more about 'ex' -CIA man and nuclear EMP threat salesman, Peter Vincent Pry....
Looks like he has been peddling the 'nuclear EMP' THEORY for about 35 years. He has worked very hard at spreading the 'nuclear' EMP threat propaganda.
https://jimbakkershow.com/guest-bios/dr-peter-vincent-pry/
Dr. Peter Vincent Pry is Executive Director of the Task Force on National and Homeland Security and Director of the U.S. Nuclear Strategy Forum, both Congressional Advisory Boards, and served on the Congressional EMP Commission, the Congressional Strategic Posture Commission, the House Armed Services Committee, and the CIA.
He is author of Apocalypse Unknown: The Struggle To Protect America From An Electromagnetic Pulse Catastrophe and Electric Armageddon, both available from CreateSpace.com and Amazon.com. Dr. Pry often appears on TV and radio as an expert on national security issues. The BBC made his book War Scare into a two-hour TV documentary Soviet War Scare 1983 and his book Electric Armageddon was the basis for another TV documentary Electronic Armageddon made by the National Geographic.
Dr. Pry serves as contributing editor on several articles for Family Security Matters and writes up-to-date articles based on today’s news and what it means for America on the EMP Task Force website.
The 'nuclear-EMP threat seems to be a load of bluff and bluster.
Here are a few of the many examples....
Newt Gingrich (Donald Trump supporter)
https://www.politico.com/(...)ch-emp-attack-093002
A science fiction novel called “One Second After” told a cautionary tale of the doomsday scenario that would unfold if such an attack hit the U.S., frying electrical circuits and knocking out power. In the introduction to the book, Gingrich suggested that an EMP attack would “throw all of our lives back to an existence equal to that of the Middle Ages.”
“Millions would die in the first week alone,” he wrote in the foreword of the novel released in 2009.
Statement from the Republican Party. 2016:
Protection against an Electromagnetic Pulse
A single nuclear weapon detonated at high altitude over this country would collapse our electrical grid and other critical infrastructure and endanger the lives of millions. With North Korea in possession of nuclear missiles and Iran close to having them, an EMP is no longer a theoretical concern. Moreover, China and Russia include sabotage as part of their warfare planning.
Nonetheless, hundreds of electrical utility in the U.S. have not acted to protect themselves from EMP and they cannot be expected to do so voluntarily since homeland security is a government responsibility. We support the enactment of Republican legislation, pending in both chambers, to protect the national grid and encourage states to take the initiative to protect their own grids expeditiously.
James Oberg, a distinguished rocket scientist who visited North Korea’s satellite launch facility, warns in this recent Space Review article:
“There have been fears expressed that North Korea might use a satellite to carry a small nuclear warhead into orbit and then detonate it over the United States for an EMP strike. These concerns seem extreme and require an astronomical scale of irrationality on the part of the regime. The most frightening aspect, I’ve come to realize, is that exactly such a scale of insanity is now evident in the rest of their ‘space program.’ That doomsday scenario, it now seems, has become plausible enough to compel the United States to take active measures to insure that no North Korean satellite, unless thoroughly inspected before launch, be allowed to reach orbit and ever overfly the United States.”
Also Al Jazeera is in on it.
ONE MINUTE | Nuclear E.M.P. explained
Here is a bit more about 'ex' -CIA man and nuclear EMP threat salesman, Peter Vincent Pry....
Looks like he has been peddling the 'nuclear EMP' THEORY for about 35 years. He has worked very hard at spreading the 'nuclear' EMP threat propaganda.
https://jimbakkershow.com/guest-bios/dr-peter-vincent-pry/
Dr. Peter Vincent Pry is Executive Director of the Task Force on National and Homeland Security and Director of the U.S. Nuclear Strategy Forum, both Congressional Advisory Boards, and served on the Congressional EMP Commission, the Congressional Strategic Posture Commission, the House Armed Services Committee, and the CIA.
He is author of Apocalypse Unknown: The Struggle To Protect America From An Electromagnetic Pulse Catastrophe and Electric Armageddon, both available from CreateSpace.com and Amazon.com. Dr. Pry often appears on TV and radio as an expert on national security issues. The BBC made his book War Scare into a two-hour TV documentary Soviet War Scare 1983 and his book Electric Armageddon was the basis for another TV documentary Electronic Armageddon made by the National Geographic.
Dr. Pry serves as contributing editor on several articles for Family Security Matters and writes up-to-date articles based on today’s news and what it means for America on the EMP Task Force website.
The 'nuclear-EMP threat seems to be a load of bluff and bluster.
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
En waar baseer je die conclusie op?quote:
...
The 'nuclear-EMP threat seems to be a load of bluff and bluster.
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Mensen zullen zich meer druk maken dat ze nog leven na een blast dan dat hun electronica nog werkt.quote:
As I suspected – the nuclear EMP threat is fearmongery coming from the political right.
Here are a few of the many examples....
Newt Gingrich (Donald Trump supporter)
https://www.politico.com/(...)ch-emp-attack-093002
A science fiction novel called “One Second After” told a cautionary tale of the doomsday scenario that would unfold if such an attack hit the U.S., frying electrical circuits and knocking out power. In the introduction to the book, Gingrich suggested that an EMP attack would “throw all of our lives back to an existence equal to that of the Middle Ages.”
“Millions would die in the first week alone,” he wrote in the foreword of the novel released in 2009.
Statement from the Republican Party. 2016:
Protection against an Electromagnetic Pulse
A single nuclear weapon detonated at high altitude over this country would collapse our electrical grid and other critical infrastructure and endanger the lives of millions. With North Korea in possession of nuclear missiles and Iran close to having them, an EMP is no longer a theoretical concern. Moreover, China and Russia include sabotage as part of their warfare planning.
Nonetheless, hundreds of electrical utility in the U.S. have not acted to protect themselves from EMP and they cannot be expected to do so voluntarily since homeland security is a government responsibility. We support the enactment of Republican legislation, pending in both chambers, to protect the national grid and encourage states to take the initiative to protect their own grids expeditiously.
James Oberg, a distinguished rocket scientist who visited North Korea’s satellite launch facility, warns in this recent Space Review article:
“There have been fears expressed that North Korea might use a satellite to carry a small nuclear warhead into orbit and then detonate it over the United States for an EMP strike. These concerns seem extreme and require an astronomical scale of irrationality on the part of the regime. The most frightening aspect, I’ve come to realize, is that exactly such a scale of insanity is now evident in the rest of their ‘space program.’ That doomsday scenario, it now seems, has become plausible enough to compel the United States to take active measures to insure that no North Korean satellite, unless thoroughly inspected before launch, be allowed to reach orbit and ever overfly the United States.”
Also Al Jazeera is in on it.
ONE MINUTE | Nuclear E.M.P. explained
Here is a bit more about 'ex' -CIA man and nuclear EMP threat salesman, Peter Vincent Pry....
Looks like he has been peddling the 'nuclear EMP' THEORY for about 35 years. He has worked very hard at spreading the 'nuclear' EMP threat propaganda.
https://jimbakkershow.com/guest-bios/dr-peter-vincent-pry/
Dr. Peter Vincent Pry is Executive Director of the Task Force on National and Homeland Security and Director of the U.S. Nuclear Strategy Forum, both Congressional Advisory Boards, and served on the Congressional EMP Commission, the Congressional Strategic Posture Commission, the House Armed Services Committee, and the CIA.
He is author of Apocalypse Unknown: The Struggle To Protect America From An Electromagnetic Pulse Catastrophe and Electric Armageddon, both available from CreateSpace.com and Amazon.com. Dr. Pry often appears on TV and radio as an expert on national security issues. The BBC made his book War Scare into a two-hour TV documentary Soviet War Scare 1983 and his book Electric Armageddon was the basis for another TV documentary Electronic Armageddon made by the National Geographic.
Dr. Pry serves as contributing editor on several articles for Family Security Matters and writes up-to-date articles based on today’s news and what it means for America on the EMP Task Force website.
The 'nuclear-EMP threat seems to be a load of bluff and bluster.
Pope John Paul II shot first!!!
TS lijkt vooral met informatie te komen waaruit blijkt dat de EMP van kernwapens mogelijk een vrij beperkte invloed heeft. Het zegt echter niks over het al dan niet bestaan van kernwapens. Sterker nog, de bronnen suggereren dat kernwapens bestaan.
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[ Bericht 9% gewijzigd door Maverick_tfd op 01-12-2018 22:32:35 ]
Kernenergie is natuurkunde en geen scheikunde.quote:
Ik ben ook wel benieuwd of kerncentrales stiekem op kolen draaien.
Als je in de scheikunde ervan duikt, zou er dan nooit een professor zijn geweest die het bestaan van nucleaire bommen heeft getracht te ontkennen? Dit is toch veel te groot om stil te houden?
Scheikunde houdt zich bezig met electronen in de buitenste schillen van atomen. Kernenergie is zoals de naam doet vermoeden afkomstig uit de kern van een atoom en daardoor natuurkunde.
Dat is wel vaker het geval, user post link, waarbij de bronnen van de link, een totaal ander verhaal weer geven, waar ik zo benieuwd naar ben is of men ook een kerncentrale ontkent, nadeel is een Tingo geeft dan aan dat te ver off topic is, en reden voor nieuw topic, maar dat kan prima hier.quote:
TS lijkt vooral met informatie te komen waaruit blijkt dat de EMP van kernwapens mogelijk een vrij beperkte invloed heeft. Het zegt echter niks over het al dan niet bestaan van kernwapens. Sterker nog, de bronnen suggereren dat kernwapens bestaan.
Ook grappig dat men vastklampt aan een enkele issue, zoals veel in dit deel van topic EMP.
En als we eventueel nog dieper de materie in gaan, wat heeft het voor een nut om kern energie te ontkennen.
Of steekt er iets achter in het gebied rond tsjernobyl.
(ik noem maar iets)
Is die explosie ook in scène gezet? En Fukushima? Net zo..
Pope John Paul II shot first!!!
No.quote:
Gebruik je nu een fictie roman om een vals argument te projecteren over EMP?
I quoted the SF novel foreword written by (space-fan, Trump supporter, former Neocon, 'nuclear' EMP theory merchant) Newt Gingrich as an example of the nuclear EMP fear propaganda.
I don't quite understand why you ask such a question. Maybe you misread my post.
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Het antwoord was dus jaquote:
[..]
No.
I quoted the SF novel foreword written by (space-fan, Trump supporter, former Neocon, 'nuclear' EMP theory merchant) Newt Gingrich as an example of the nuclear EMP fear propaganda.
I don't quite understand why you ask such a question. Maybe you misread my post.
You should be asking why such a person would write a foreword in a SF novel.quote:
Like I said - I was merely pointing out the 'nuclear' EMP fear propaganda. You don't get it.
Sorry - but I expect better from an English teacher.
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Dus waarom vond je het nodig om hierover te liegen?quote:
[..]
You should be asking why such a person would write a foreword in a SF novel.
Like I said - I was merely pointing out the 'nuclear' EMP fear propaganda. You don't get it.
Sorry - but I expect better from an English teacher.
Seems a bit silly.
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Onikaan ni ov dovah