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Tis gewoon informatie.quote:Op donderdag 1 november 2018 06:38 schreef ChrisCarter het volgende:
Ok, en behalve het ridiculiseren van een historisch figuur, wat is je punt?
Historical teller of tall tales imo.
There is every good reason to question such miraculous stories.
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Tot nu toe ontbreekt elk spoor van argumentatie daarvoorquote:
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Tis gewoon informatie.
Historical teller of tall tales imo.
There is every good reason to question such miraculous stories.
Just a theory. An appropriate title if nothing else.quote:
Scott 'before-I-get-down-to-the-nitty-gritty-of-the-physics-and-history' Manley, should also be able to get Einsteins first name right for a start, especially as he is clearly reading from a script.
Unless of course Albert Einstein had an identical twin brother called Alfred. He even uses 'Alfred' (which is kind of cute) as if these trendy gamer-scientistic types were on first name terms. Peculiar collection of space toys in the background. Who the fuck is this shallow, adolescent crap supposed to appeal to I wonder.
I already knew that the word 'atomic' was first used by H.G. Wells in a science FICTION book.
Hier kan je leuke dingetjes van Scott kopen:
https://www.redbubble.com/shop/scott+manley
The presentation style reminds me of that stupid american space fan bitch (Amy Titttler?)
Dear me, you're going to have to do better than this, matey.
Maybe you should take a 'history' lesson from your sidekick.
Still not found any credible information about 'nuclear' EMP then?
No. If you had, then you would've already posted it.
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Sodeju zeg, moet het weer zo triest? Heb je dan echt zo weinig dat je de messenger aanvalt om het voor jezelf te kunnen verantwoorden dat je de message kan negeren?quote:
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Just a theory. An appropriate title if nothing else.
Scott 'before-I-get-down-to-the-nitty-gritty-of-the-physics-and-history' Manley, should also be able to get Einsteins first name right for a start, especially as he is clearly reading from a script.
Unless of course Albert Einstein had an identical twin brother called Alfred. He even uses 'Alfred' (which is kind of cute) as if these trendy gamer-scientistic types were on first name terms. Peculiar collection of space toys in the background. Who the fuck is this shallow, adolescent crap supposed to appeal to I wonder.
I already knew that the word 'atomic' was first used by H.G. Wells in a science FICTION book.
Hier kan je leuke dingetjes van Scott kopen:
https://www.redbubble.com/shop/scott+manley
The presentation style reminds me of that stupid american space fan bitch (Amy Titttler?)
Dear me, you're going to have to do better than this, matey.
Maybe you should take a 'history' lesson from your sidekick.
Still not found any credible information about 'nuclear' EMP then?
No. If you had, then you would've already posted it.
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
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Oh there's plenty more accounts of Mr.Yamaguchis amazing escapades.quote:Op donderdag 1 november 2018 14:45 schreef ChrisCarter het volgende:
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Tot nu toe ontbreekt elk spoor van argumentatie daarvoor
It reminds me of some of the stories which were presented as evidence at the Nuremberg war trials.
https://www.independent.c(...)agasaki-1654294.html
Despite being 3km (just under two miles) from Ground Zero, the blast temporarily blinded him, destroyed his left eardrum and inflicted horrific burns over much of the top half of his body. The following morning, he braved another dose of radiation as he ventured into Hiroshima city centre, determined to catch a train home, away from the nightmare.
In a bitter twist of fate, Yamaguchi was again 3 kms from the centre of the second explosion. In fact, he was in the office explaining to his boss how he had almost been killed days before, when suddenly the same white light filled the room.
Like many of the roughly 260,000 survivors of the atomic explosions, Mr Yamaguchi suffered agony for much of his life, as his daughter explains. "Until I was about 12, he was wrapped in bandages for his skin wounds, and he went completely bald," says Toshiko, now 60. "My mother was also soaked in black rain [the famously radioactive rain that fell after both bombings] and was poisoned. We think she passed on that poison to us."
In his eighties, he finally wrote a book about his experiences, and was invited to take part in a documentary called Nijuuhibaku ( Twice Bombed, Twice Survived), about the handful of double A-bomb victims. The film shows him weeping bitterly as he describes watching bloated corpses floating in the city's rivers and encountering the walking dead of Hiroshima, whose melting flesh hung like "giant gloves".
Black rain:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_fallout
This radioactive dust, usually consisting of fission products mixed with bystanding atoms that are neutron activated by exposure, is a highly dangerous kind of radioactive contamination.
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
I certainly don't need your 'messengers'.quote:
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Sodeju zeg, moet het weer zo triest? Heb je dan echt zo weinig dat je de messenger aanvalt om het voor jezelf te kunnen verantwoorden dat je de message kan negeren?
You probably didn't even watch it yourself, but it doesn't matter, I'll be kind and not go on about it.
Please try better in future.
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Je zou ook voor de verandering een inhoudelijke reactie erop kunnen geven.quote:
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I certainly don't need your 'messengers'.
You probably didn't even watch it yourself, but it doesn't matter, I'll be kind and not go on about it.
Please try better in future.
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Onikaan ni ov dovah
The Soviet K project tests...
184 K3 (Joe 157) October 22nd, 1962:
“Exploded short of target above Sary Shagan, west of Dzhezkazgan (or Zhezqazghan). EMP ran to thousands of amps, damaged at least 570km of telephone lines, 1000km of buried power lines, and caused the destruction of the Karaganda power plant.”
Are there any credible photographs, film, witness testimonies, etc. of such destruction from 'nuclear' EMP to find? The reported damage could easily have been caused by conventional explosives. Sary Shagan was a closed city in the middle of nowhere. The military could do and report what they wanted, as they had control of the whole area for hundreds of miles around.
Where is the definitive evidence, information etc. about 'nuclear EMP?
Or are we just supposed to rely on the vague report of 'informal communications' between Soviet and American scientists?
How can we know for sure that any 'informal communications between Russian and American scientists' ever occured at all?
It amounts to nothing more than hearsay.
184 K3 (Joe 157) October 22nd, 1962:
“Exploded short of target above Sary Shagan, west of Dzhezkazgan (or Zhezqazghan). EMP ran to thousands of amps, damaged at least 570km of telephone lines, 1000km of buried power lines, and caused the destruction of the Karaganda power plant.”
Are there any credible photographs, film, witness testimonies, etc. of such destruction from 'nuclear' EMP to find? The reported damage could easily have been caused by conventional explosives. Sary Shagan was a closed city in the middle of nowhere. The military could do and report what they wanted, as they had control of the whole area for hundreds of miles around.
Where is the definitive evidence, information etc. about 'nuclear EMP?
Or are we just supposed to rely on the vague report of 'informal communications' between Soviet and American scientists?
How can we know for sure that any 'informal communications between Russian and American scientists' ever occured at all?
It amounts to nothing more than hearsay.
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Here is another differing account of Mr.Yamaguchis miraculous survival:
https://www.ripleys.com/w(...)l-tsutomu-yamaguchi/
Mr. Yamaguchi wasn't even recognised by the Japanese government as the only double survivor until 2009.
Why did it take the Japanese government 12 years to recognise atomic bomb survivors?
If there indeed were 165 people who 'experienced both atomic weapons firsthand', why was Mr.Yamaguchi the only person ever to be recognised (in 2009!) as a double survivor and why did it take so long?
https://www.ripleys.com/w(...)l-tsutomu-yamaguchi/
The Japanese government didn't recognise any atomic bomb survivors until 1957.quote:“The blast sent him spinning through the air, and he landed in a nearby potato patch. When he opened his eyes, he couldn’t see anything—the world was completely black.
The blast hadn’t blinded him, but instead blotted out the sun with an enormous cloud of dust. Yamaguchi’s arms and face were badly burned and his eardrums were ruptured. As the debris cleared, he saw a towering mushroom cloud over the city.”
“Still injured, he made his way through a city of crumbling buildings, fires, and bodies melted to the streets. At one point, he had to swim across a river filled with burned corpses. Yamaguchi eventually made it to the train and settled in for the night as it took him to his hometown of Nagasaki.”
“When Yamaguchi arrived home, his wife and daughter didn’t even recognize the burned man standing in front of them. His wife knew her husband had been in Hiroshima, and thought his bandaged figure might even be a ghost. After finally receiving medical attention, he collapsed in bed for the night.”
“It was during this meeting that the sky once again lit up with fire. The building was destroyed and his bandages were blown away, but—once again—he survived.”
“Though Yamaguchi is the only officially recognized double-survivor of atomic bombings, as many as 165 people experienced both atomic weapons firsthand.”
Mr. Yamaguchi wasn't even recognised by the Japanese government as the only double survivor until 2009.
Why did it take the Japanese government 12 years to recognise atomic bomb survivors?
If there indeed were 165 people who 'experienced both atomic weapons firsthand', why was Mr.Yamaguchi the only person ever to be recognised (in 2009!) as a double survivor and why did it take so long?
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Hoe wil jij honderden kilometers power en telephone line opblazen met een conventionele explosie op zo'n afstand?quote:
The Soviet K project tests...
184 K3 (Joe 157) October 22nd, 1962:
“Exploded short of target above Sary Shagan, west of Dzhezkazgan (or Zhezqazghan). EMP ran to thousands of amps, damaged at least 570km of telephone lines, 1000km of buried power lines, and caused the destruction of the Karaganda power plant.”
Are there any credible photographs, film, witness testimonies, etc. of such destruction from 'nuclear' EMP to find? The reported damage could easily have been caused by conventional explosives. Sary Shagan was a closed city in the middle of nowhere. The military could do and report what they wanted, as they had control of the whole area for hundreds of miles around.
Where is the definitive evidence, information etc. about 'nuclear EMP?
Or are we just supposed to rely on the vague report of 'informal communications' between Soviet and American scientists?
How can we know for sure that any 'informal communications between Russian and American scientists' ever occured at all?
It amounts to nothing more than hearsay.
Dat is nogal een claim om te maken.
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
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Despite there being a lack of detailed information and/or evidence such as photos, film,witness testimony etc. you are assuming that what we are told is true.quote:
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Hoe wil jij honderden kilometers power en telephone line opblazen met een conventionele explosie op zo'n afstand?
Even if there were reports of thousands of homes being left without power (which there doesn't seem to be) it still wouldn't be proof of nuclear EMP.
Like I said – the whole area would have been in control of the military, so they could cause a power outage and then tell people it was due to nuclear tests.
According to wiki:
“After the collapse of the Soviet Union, the level of this (emp)damage was communicated informally to scientists in the United States.”
Pity there are no transcriptions of these informal communications or information as to who these scientists were.
It's all a bit vague and amounts to nothing more than hearsay really.
You claimed that there was 'veel info' about the Soviet Project K nuclear tests to find, but that seems not to be the case.
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
No, you claimed that all those damages can be replicated using a conventional explosion. That's a pretty crazy claim to make.quote:
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Despite there being a lack of detailed information and/or evidence such as photos, film,witness testimony etc. you are assuming that what we are told is true.
Even if there were reports of thousands of homes being left without power (which there doesn't seem to be) it still wouldn't be proof of nuclear EMP.
Like I said – the whole area would have been in control of the military, so they could cause a power outage and then tell people it was due to nuclear tests.
According to wiki:
“After the collapse of the Soviet Union, the level of this (emp)damage was communicated informally to scientists in the United States.”
Pity there are no transcriptions of these informal communications or information as to who these scientists were.
It's all a bit vague and amounts to nothing more than hearsay really.
You claimed that there was 'veel info' about the Soviet Project K nuclear tests to find, but that seems not to be the case.
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Onikaan ni ov dovah
You are taking what we have been told as true.Your opinion is based on nothing more than hearsay.quote:
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No, you claimed that all those damages can be replicated using a conventional explosion. That's a pretty crazy claim to make.
There is no evidence of the damage.
(570km of telephone lines, 1000km of buried power lines, and caused the destruction of the Karaganda power plant)
Like I said - a power and telephone communications outage could easily have been caused by something other than EMP. Of course they could easily be severed by conventional explosives And people wouldn't even know anything other that what they got told.
There's nothing 'crazy' about that.
You claimed that there was 'veel info' to find about the Soviet nuclear EMP tests, yet you still haven't presented any.
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Hoe dan?quote:
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Like I said - a power and telephone communications outage could easily have been caused by something other than EMP. Of course they could easily be severed by conventional explosives
No I didn't, dat maak jij er van.quote:You claimed that there was 'veel info' to find about the Soviet nuclear EMP tests, yet you still haven't presented any.
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Where is the 'veel info' that the Russians collected?quote:
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Ten eerste is was dat niet het enige EMP effect, en al helemaal niet de enige test. Dat die streetlights het enige bewijs is, is simpelweg onzin. De Russen hebben rond die tijd ook een serie tests gedaan boven bewoond gebied, en daar veel info over EMP schade verzameld.
If you can't provide any evidence of it - how would anyone know that it even ever existed?
You're most probably taking someones word for it again.
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Een (groot) deel daarvan ligt waarschijnlijk te verstoffen in een archief ergens ja, of is in zijn geheel verloren gegaan.quote:
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Where is the 'veel info' that the Russians collected?
If you can't provide any evidence of it - how would anyone know that it even ever existed?
You're most probably taking someones word for it again.
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Dus voor nu heb je het vooral van horen zeggen, precies zoals Tingo je al een tijdje probeert duidelijk te maken.quote:
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Een (groot) deel daarvan ligt waarschijnlijk te verstoffen in een archief ergens ja, of is in zijn geheel verloren gegaan.
Instead of questioning authority, they question those that question authority.
Dat was het punt ook niet. Het punt was dat volgens Tingo die ene test van de VS de enige test was.quote:Op dinsdag 6 november 2018 10:18 schreef DupingDelight het volgende:
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Dus voor nu heb je het vooral van horen zeggen, precies zoals Tingo je al een tijdje probeert duidelijk te maken.
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Verplaats je nu de doelpalen?quote:
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Dat was het punt ook niet. Het punt was dat volgens Tingo die ene test van de VS de enige test was.
Instead of questioning authority, they question those that question authority.
De VS en Rusland zijn niet de enige met deze wapens.quote:
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Verplaats je nu de doelpalen?
De laatste die zich bij het genootschap van landen met atoom wapens kan voegen is Noord Korea, ondanks dat er geen beelden van zijn. Kunnen omringende landen dit bevestigen door de aardbeving die werd veroorzaakt en in China kon men straling meten aangezien de tests vlak bij hun grens werd uitgevoerd.
Er staat nog een vraag voor u open!!
You have not presented any evidence whatsoever of any nuclear EMP tests ever having taken place at all. Your claims are based on nothing more than hearsay. That is the 'point'.quote:
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Dat was het punt ook niet. Het punt was dat volgens Tingo die ene test van de VS de enige test was.
You also claim to have some knowledge and understanding of science. Hearsay is not scientific.
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
En waar zijn jouw "beweringen" dan op gebouwd?quote:
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You have not presented any evidence whatsoever of any nuclear EMP tests ever having taken place at all. Your claims are based on nothing more than hearsay. That is the 'point'.
You also claim to have some knowledge and understanding of science. Hearsay is not scientific.
