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neequote:Op donderdag 15 november 2018 13:39 schreef DupingDelight het volgende:
Ah niet buiten de vuurbal.. EMP beperkt zich dus tot de vuurbal?
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Soms wel en soms niet dus?quote:
Kun je ook aantonen dat dit zo is in bijvoorbeeld testverslagen van kernexplosies?
Instead of questioning authority, they question those that question authority.
Weet ik niet - moet je aan de neocons/military organisaties die met de 'nuclear'EMP bangmakerij verhaaltjes vragen.quote:
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Hoe dan? Jatten ze er ook even een flinke raket bij?
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Your source neglected to mention that?quote:
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Weet ik niet - moet je aan de neocons/military organisaties die met de 'nuclear'EMP bangmakerij verhaaltjes vragen.
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Wat zijn die "bangmakerij verhaaltjes" waar dinges de hele tijd op hamert trouwens? Ik heb ze niet meegekregen?
De enige bangmakerij lijkt weer te komen van de mensen die maar niet kunnen ophouden over bangmakerij.
De enige bangmakerij lijkt weer te komen van de mensen die maar niet kunnen ophouden over bangmakerij.
Conscience do cost.
Koude oorlog?quote:
Wat zijn die "bangmakerij verhaaltjes" waar dinges de hele tijd op hamert trouwens? Ik heb ze niet meegekregen?
De enige bangmakerij lijkt weer te komen van de mensen die maar niet kunnen ophouden over bangmakerij.
Er staat nog een vraag voor u open!!
Beetje laat om dat te herkauwen en nu te doen alsof we daarmee doodgegooid zouden worden.quote:
Conscience do cost.
Ik pis in mijn broek, maar goed men leerde mij vroeger ook om links en rechts te kijken bij het oversteken.quote:
En toch ben ik niet bang voor auto's.
Er staat nog een vraag voor u open!!
Ja interessant tochquote:Op donderdag 15 november 2018 18:23 schreef theguyver het volgende:
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Ik pis in mijn broek, maar goed men leerde mij vroeger ook om links en rechts te kijken bij het oversteken.
En toch ben ik niet bang voor auto's.
Je kan je ook afvragen hoeveel zo'n duck & cover nou echt zou helpen. Misschien meer om het publiek gerust te stellen.
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Nja.. Noord Korea heeft nu ook atoom wapens, niet dat het van kaliber zijn zoals VS of GB India Pakistan, Frankrijk, Rusland..quote:
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Beetje laat om dat te herkauwen en nu te doen alsof we daarmee doodgegooid zouden worden.
Maar noord.. Koud.. Nieuwe koude oorlog?
Plus ik sta liever in epicentrum van atoombom, dan dat ik "ik noem maar iets" een ernstige ziekte krijg..
Waarom? Boem.. Klaar foetsie..
Er staat nog een vraag voor u open!!
Instorten van gebouw, On bureau desk helpt echt wel iets.quote:
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Ja interessant toch
De reden om zo klein mogelijk te maken, werkt echt wel als iets op instorten staat, doet me beetje denken aan de afl van Southpark - Vulcan.
Er staat nog een vraag voor u open!!
Here's an appropriately titled(at least) musical interlude...dig the sax solo at 1:13.quote:
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Soms wel en soms niet dus?
Kun je ook aantonen dat dit zo is in bijvoorbeeld testverslagen van kernexplosies?
The Velvelettes – Needle in a Haystack
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
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Which source neglected to mention what?quote:
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Your source neglected to mention that?
Please try to be more specific.
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Lees nou gewoon waar je op reageerde...quote:
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Which source neglected to mention what?
Please try to be more specific.
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Onikaan ni ov dovah
This 4min video I posted last week which you obviously didn't take the time to watch.quote:
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Lees nou gewoon waar je op reageerde...
https://www.vtyoob.com/video/SOC8kNpRhZ0
“It (EMP) is the greatest threat that faces our nation today”
“A single nuclear weapon, if you are doing an EMP attack, you could basically eliminate the United States as an actor on the world stage”.
It's very dramatic language in my opinion. Do you agree with Peter Pry - the nuclear EMP threat propagandist?
The vid does not mention 'terrorists' but I read something somewhere (The Hill maybe) along the lines of 'if terrorists....'. Anyway as I said,I haven't yet had the time to look into the political aspects of EMP properly.
I'll post some more later, depending on how many interesting, thoughtful responses and posts are made and questions answered in an honest, direct manner, and then see if it's worth the bother.
I hope you at least know by now (even if you probably won't ever admit it) that the nuclear EMP issue is just scaremongery and based on theory alone.If you want to go on arguing about it - fine, but you're going to have to dig way deeper.
Sometimes it's just easier to admit you were wrong about an issue.
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Of het the greatest threat is weet ik niet, maar verder lijkt het allemaal wel te kloppen ja.quote:
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This 4min video I posted last week which you obviously didn't take the time to watch.
https://www.vtyoob.com/video/SOC8kNpRhZ0
“It (EMP) is the greatest threat that faces our nation today”
“A single nuclear weapon, if you are doing an EMP attack, you could basically eliminate the United States as an actor on the world stage”.
It's very dramatic language in my opinion. Do you agree with Peter Pry - the nuclear EMP threat propagandist?
Hoe moet ik dat 'weten' dan? Jij komt hier niet verder dan een 'het bestaat niet'.quote:The vid does not mention 'terrorists' but I read something somewhere (The Hill maybe) along the lines of 'if terrorists....'. Anyway as I said,I haven't yet had the time to look into the political aspects of EMP properly.
I'll post some more later, depending on how many interesting, thoughtful responses and posts are made and questions answered in an honest, direct manner, and then see if it's worth the bother.
I hope you at least know by now (even if you probably won't ever admit it) that the nuclear EMP issue is just scaremongery and based on theory alone.If you want to go on arguing about it - fine, but you're going to have to dig way deeper.
Sometimes it's just easier to admit you were wrong about an issue.
Maar goed, over dit subdeel komen we zo inderdaad niet verder. Dus wat vind je nou van kernenergie? Dat is allemaal een stuk simpeler, en een stuk dichter bij het dagelijks leven.
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Nucleaire energie, en haar derivaten, zijn sinds WOII vrij duidelijk gedocumenteerd. Dit wordt nu in twijfel getrokken. Moet dan alle bestaande documentatie herhaald worden, of moet degene die het bestaan van nucleaire energie in twijfel trekt dat aannemelijk maken?
Waar ligt de bewijslast precies?
Als de atoombom-ontkenners om bewijs vragen, mag ik dat ook denk ik. Wat is nou hetgeen wat men kan doen vermoeden dat dit allemaal een enorme hoax is? Met andere woorden, denkt er echt iemand dat dit compleet gelogen is, van de Nazi's en Project Manhattan tot aan moderne kerncentrales die we zelfs in Nederland in de achtertuin hebben?
Ik kan genoeg bewijs plaatsen dat atoomsplijting en dergelijke dingen gewoon echt gebeuren, maar als een wetenschappelijke theorie wordt afgedaan als "het is maar een theorie" is het natuurlijk gauw over jongens.
Bonusvraag - Wat denken de mensen die atoombommen ontkennen van de Hadron particle collider? In hoeverre is dat op waarheid gebaseerd?
Waar ligt de bewijslast precies?
Als de atoombom-ontkenners om bewijs vragen, mag ik dat ook denk ik. Wat is nou hetgeen wat men kan doen vermoeden dat dit allemaal een enorme hoax is? Met andere woorden, denkt er echt iemand dat dit compleet gelogen is, van de Nazi's en Project Manhattan tot aan moderne kerncentrales die we zelfs in Nederland in de achtertuin hebben?
Ik kan genoeg bewijs plaatsen dat atoomsplijting en dergelijke dingen gewoon echt gebeuren, maar als een wetenschappelijke theorie wordt afgedaan als "het is maar een theorie" is het natuurlijk gauw over jongens.
Bonusvraag - Wat denken de mensen die atoombommen ontkennen van de Hadron particle collider? In hoeverre is dat op waarheid gebaseerd?
I certainly don't know how you could base your belief in nuclear EMP without any practical evidence. You haven't found any otherwise you would have very happily posted it.quote:
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Of het the greatest threat is weet ik niet, maar verder lijkt het allemaal wel te kloppen ja.
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Hoe moet ik dat 'weten' dan? Jij komt hier niet verder dan een 'het bestaat niet'.
Maar goed, over dit subdeel komen we zo inderdaad niet verder. Dus wat vind je nou van kernenergie? Dat is allemaal een stuk simpeler, en een stuk dichter bij het dagelijks leven.
Says who? I think we can go quite a bit 'verder over dit subdeel'. There are a few other claims you have made in which you have failed miserably to support.
As I've already written, I haven't had the time to go into the nuclear energy subject. You seem quite keen to move onto another subject.
I'd also want to know more about the other effects of an atomic bomb after the 'vooral EMP' effect/theory has been cleared up properly.
The proof of the pudding is in the eating, as the saying goes..unless you have been eating too many hypothetical puddings.
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Dit vooral/voornamelijk ja.quote:
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I certainly don't know how you could base your belief in nuclear EMP without any practical evidence. You haven't found any otherwise you would have very happily posted it.
Says who? I think we can go quite a bit 'verder over dit subdeel'. There are a few other claims you have made in which you have failed miserably to support.
As I've already written, I haven't had the time to go into the nuclear energy subject. You seem quite keen to move onto another subject.
I'd also want to know more about the other effects of an atomic bomb after the 'vooral EMP' effect/theory has been cleared up properly.
The proof of the pudding is in the eating, as the saying goes..unless you have been eating too many hypothetical puddings.
Instead of questioning authority, they question those that question authority.
Welke claims zijn dat zoal dan? En waarom weet je zelf nog niet wat voor unieke effecten een nuke allemaal heeft? Surely heb je toch een beetje je huiswerk gedaan voor hier zo'n uitgesproken mening over te hebben.quote:
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I certainly don't know how you could base your belief in nuclear EMP without any practical evidence. You haven't found any otherwise you would have very happily posted it.
Says who? I think we can go quite a bit 'verder over dit subdeel'. There are a few other claims you have made in which you have failed miserably to support.
As I've already written, I haven't had the time to go into the nuclear energy subject. You seem quite keen to move onto another subject.
I'd also want to know more about the other effects of an atomic bomb after the 'vooral EMP' effect/theory has been cleared up properly.
The proof of the pudding is in the eating, as the saying goes..unless you have been eating too many hypothetical puddings.
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Onikaan ni ov dovah
'Vooral/ voornamelijk' - your claim that the 'EMP hoax' article was 'full of shit' for example. You should be able to go through the whole piece and point out some interesting 'shit' to back up your claiim Then the 'Soviet Project K' tests - also nothing. But then you seem to have quite some faith in the alarmist/fearmongering views of characters such as Peter Pry, who, like you – does not produce anything more than a theory.quote:
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Welke claims zijn dat zoal dan? En waarom weet je zelf nog niet wat voor unieke effecten een nuke allemaal heeft? Surely heb je toch een beetje je huiswerk gedaan voor hier zo'n uitgesproken mening over te hebben.
For someone as yorurself, who has (several times) claimed to have some scientific understanding, your opinions/explanations seem more than a little shallow.
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Ik herhaal mezelf nog maar eens dan. Dat artikel beweerde dat die VS test de enige test was. Als je een dergelijke cruciale fout maakt is het duidelijk dat de schrijver nog niet eens een oppervlakkig onderzoek heeft gedaan over het onderwerp. Beetje alsof iemand beweerd dat NASA de enige ruimtevaartorganisatie is. Die neem je dan ook niet zo serieus meer.quote:
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'Vooral/ voornamelijk' - your claim that the 'EMP hoax' article was 'full of shit' for example. You should be able to go through the whole piece and point out some interesting 'shit' to back up your claiim Then the 'Soviet Project K' tests - also nothing. But then you seem to have quite some faith in the alarmist/fearmongering views of characters such as Peter Pry, who, like you – does not produce anything more than a theory.
For someone as yorurself, who has (several times) claimed to have some scientific understanding, your opinions/explanations seem more than a little shallow.
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Net als met Flat Earth, zul je moeten bewijzen dat de aarde plat is.
Als je atoombommen ontkent, is daar dus ook geen bewijs van dat het nep is.
Blijft grappig dat mensen een dergelijk simpel concept als bewijsvoering niet begrijpen.
Als je atoombommen ontkent, is daar dus ook geen bewijs van dat het nep is.
Blijft grappig dat mensen een dergelijk simpel concept als bewijsvoering niet begrijpen.
You can repeat your claims that there were more tests all you effin want, but they still don't mean jackshit until you come with some useful, reliable information and results about the other tests and the nuclear EMP THEORY which you have so much belief in.quote:
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Ik herhaal mezelf nog maar eens dan. Dat artikel beweerde dat die VS test de enige test was. Als je een dergelijke cruciale fout maakt is het duidelijk dat de schrijver nog niet eens een oppervlakkig onderzoek heeft gedaan over het onderwerp. Beetje alsof iemand beweerd dat NASA de enige ruimtevaartorganisatie is. Die neem je dan ook niet zo serieus meer.
Please quote sentences in the synopsis (if you have actually even read it) and then state your specific disagreements.
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Here's a little more info about 'nuclear' EMP 'tests'.
The writer of the following seems to be a bit of an oddball and even states that he is 'proud to be a freak'. Anyway, maybe a lot of those scientific types are quite wacky and weird – and many of them not in a nice way. Maybe some of them are also pretentious, pompous creeps. There are as many crooked scientistic professionals as there are in any other profession.
The writer makes a lot of claims but fails to back any of them up.
The 1962 Soviet Nuclear EMP Tests over Kazakhstan
http://www.futurescience.com/emp/test184.html
I will try to provide as much accurate information as possible about this series of high-altitude nuclear tests, although there is a considerable amount of information about the EMP effects of these particular tests that I would very much like to know more about. I will also try to be very careful about accuracy since some of the available information is inaccurate, even in respectable publications. and I don't want to add to the confusion.
The first two of the K Project high-altitude nuclear tests (in 1961) over Kazakhstan were only 1.2 kilotons, so the EMP could be carefully measured, but apparently did not have much of an impact on the 1961 infrastructure of Kazakhstan.
The world's first spaceport, the Baikonur Cosmodrome, is about 300 kilometers (190 miles) to the southwest of the detonation point, and with the orientation of the geomagnetic field over Kazakhstan, the Baikonur Cosmodrome should have received some of the worst of the EMP effects, although nothing about this has been openly reported.
Other known effects of Test 184 were that it knocked out a major 1000-kilometer (600-mile) underground power line running from Astana (then called Aqmola), now the capital city of Kazakhstan, toward the city of Almaty. Some fires were reported. In the city of Karaganda, the EMP started a fire in the city's electrical power plant, which was connected to the long underground power line. The shielded electrical cable was buried 3 feet (90 cm.) underground. (Most details about this underground line are very sketchy, and the reported length seems to be impossibly long for a single length of line carrying any kind of alternating current without some sort of re-generating station.)
It is known from several sources that the EMP from Test 184 started a fire in the Karaganda power plant, but virtually no details have been released about this event. It has sometimes been stated that the power plant was completely destroyed, but the only thing I have found to substantiate this is a sentence in the official notes taken of a meeting between Russian scientists and U.S. scientists at the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory in February 1995. One sentence in those notes about EMP damage is, "Destruction of the power supply at Karaganda." I have also not been able to find out if the damaged power plant was the only one operating in Karaganda at the time. Karaganda (spelled Qaraghandy on the map above) is a heavily industrialized city, and a center of the regional coal mining industry. It currently has several power plants in the area, but I don't know if there was more than one such facility in operation at the time of Test184.
Although that article has a lot of interesting details about the EMP effects on the overhead communications line, it doesn't have as much detail as I would have like to have seen.
It is clear from the data that has been released on the E1 component of the pulse that the thermonuclear weapon used in Test 184 was particularly inefficient in producing EMP.
The aspects of the Soviet space program described below are also factual, but their connection to the EMP from the 1962 high-altitude tests is my own speculation.
From the personal page of Jerry Emanuelson the author of the above article:
In many ways, maintaining this childlike sense of wonder and resonance with the world makes me a freak. However, as the main character says in the last episode of my favorite television show, "I'm proud to be a freak."
The writer of the following seems to be a bit of an oddball and even states that he is 'proud to be a freak'. Anyway, maybe a lot of those scientific types are quite wacky and weird – and many of them not in a nice way. Maybe some of them are also pretentious, pompous creeps. There are as many crooked scientistic professionals as there are in any other profession.
The writer makes a lot of claims but fails to back any of them up.
The 1962 Soviet Nuclear EMP Tests over Kazakhstan
http://www.futurescience.com/emp/test184.html
I will try to provide as much accurate information as possible about this series of high-altitude nuclear tests, although there is a considerable amount of information about the EMP effects of these particular tests that I would very much like to know more about. I will also try to be very careful about accuracy since some of the available information is inaccurate, even in respectable publications. and I don't want to add to the confusion.
The first two of the K Project high-altitude nuclear tests (in 1961) over Kazakhstan were only 1.2 kilotons, so the EMP could be carefully measured, but apparently did not have much of an impact on the 1961 infrastructure of Kazakhstan.
The world's first spaceport, the Baikonur Cosmodrome, is about 300 kilometers (190 miles) to the southwest of the detonation point, and with the orientation of the geomagnetic field over Kazakhstan, the Baikonur Cosmodrome should have received some of the worst of the EMP effects, although nothing about this has been openly reported.
Other known effects of Test 184 were that it knocked out a major 1000-kilometer (600-mile) underground power line running from Astana (then called Aqmola), now the capital city of Kazakhstan, toward the city of Almaty. Some fires were reported. In the city of Karaganda, the EMP started a fire in the city's electrical power plant, which was connected to the long underground power line. The shielded electrical cable was buried 3 feet (90 cm.) underground. (Most details about this underground line are very sketchy, and the reported length seems to be impossibly long for a single length of line carrying any kind of alternating current without some sort of re-generating station.)
It is known from several sources that the EMP from Test 184 started a fire in the Karaganda power plant, but virtually no details have been released about this event. It has sometimes been stated that the power plant was completely destroyed, but the only thing I have found to substantiate this is a sentence in the official notes taken of a meeting between Russian scientists and U.S. scientists at the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory in February 1995. One sentence in those notes about EMP damage is, "Destruction of the power supply at Karaganda." I have also not been able to find out if the damaged power plant was the only one operating in Karaganda at the time. Karaganda (spelled Qaraghandy on the map above) is a heavily industrialized city, and a center of the regional coal mining industry. It currently has several power plants in the area, but I don't know if there was more than one such facility in operation at the time of Test184.
Although that article has a lot of interesting details about the EMP effects on the overhead communications line, it doesn't have as much detail as I would have like to have seen.
It is clear from the data that has been released on the E1 component of the pulse that the thermonuclear weapon used in Test 184 was particularly inefficient in producing EMP.
The aspects of the Soviet space program described below are also factual, but their connection to the EMP from the 1962 high-altitude tests is my own speculation.
From the personal page of Jerry Emanuelson the author of the above article:
In many ways, maintaining this childlike sense of wonder and resonance with the world makes me a freak. However, as the main character says in the last episode of my favorite television show, "I'm proud to be a freak."
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2018/02/david-hathaway/emp-hoax/
Sandia Director of Testing Rejects EMP Theory
Another hypothesis made by a Sandia member (Navy Commander Don Shuster, Director of Field Testing at Sandia National Laboratories) rejected the idea of a nuclear EMP as the cause for the small number of failed street lights. His hypothesis, although probably more plausible than the nuclear EMP theory, was ignored when the team presented its conclusions.
Shuster explained how failures often occur when there is a near simultaneous switching of a large system-wide load from an “off” state to an “on” state. The mass switching would cause a heavier than normal burden on the system due to the additional start-up power. This spike in demand could result in system failures from such things as blown fuses.
Shuster explained that the streetlights in Honolulu were all activated by photocells. His theory noted that as night approaches, different areas become sufficiently dark incrementally causing the photocells to activate street lighting in stages. Street lighting comes on in a naturally staggered fashion since hills, buildings, land contours, and photocell orientation affect the time the circuit comes on. A building or a hillside that shades some photocells would cause different photocells to come on at different times.
During a normal evening sunset period, the staggered effect causes street lights to come on gradually. The activations are not close to simultaneous. Therefore, the start-up power demand at sunset is incremental. Shuster concluded that the 11 PM daylight effect from Starfish Prime may have caused the circuits to switch off and then, several minutes later, to switch on more in unison than a normal sunset situation.
Sandia Director of Testing Rejects EMP Theory
Another hypothesis made by a Sandia member (Navy Commander Don Shuster, Director of Field Testing at Sandia National Laboratories) rejected the idea of a nuclear EMP as the cause for the small number of failed street lights. His hypothesis, although probably more plausible than the nuclear EMP theory, was ignored when the team presented its conclusions.
Shuster explained how failures often occur when there is a near simultaneous switching of a large system-wide load from an “off” state to an “on” state. The mass switching would cause a heavier than normal burden on the system due to the additional start-up power. This spike in demand could result in system failures from such things as blown fuses.
Shuster explained that the streetlights in Honolulu were all activated by photocells. His theory noted that as night approaches, different areas become sufficiently dark incrementally causing the photocells to activate street lighting in stages. Street lighting comes on in a naturally staggered fashion since hills, buildings, land contours, and photocell orientation affect the time the circuit comes on. A building or a hillside that shades some photocells would cause different photocells to come on at different times.
During a normal evening sunset period, the staggered effect causes street lights to come on gradually. The activations are not close to simultaneous. Therefore, the start-up power demand at sunset is incremental. Shuster concluded that the 11 PM daylight effect from Starfish Prime may have caused the circuits to switch off and then, several minutes later, to switch on more in unison than a normal sunset situation.
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Note the vague language used in this:
Damage to Electronic Systems: Effects of Electromagnetic Pulse
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK219185/
In contrast to the effects of blast and fire, the electromagnetic pulses (EMP), generated as a result of airbursts, leave no visible signs. Nonetheless, in theory such pulses could be highly damaging to microcircuitry. Because of the partial test ban treaty (1963) and the highly sensitive nature of EMP to national security, there is little hard evidence to conclude just how much damage might be incurred. However, recent military interest in new communications technology, such as the $10 billion MILSTAR project, to protect against the effects of EMP suggests how serious the problem may prove to be. Although much of what is known about EMP either is classified as secret information or is highly speculative, the danger the phenomenon poses is very real. Telecommunications networks, information processing equipment, and highly sophisticated medical technology would be vulnerable and could be irreparably harmed by such a blast.1 The problems this pulse poses for electronic equipment are twofold. Electrical power grids would pick up the EMP and transmit a transient spike in voltage to equipment drawing power at the time of the detonation. The rapid rise in voltage would damage microprocessors in a way similar to that resulting from lightning strikes. However, the rise in voltage would be typically 100 times faster, thereby rendering common surge protectors ineffective. Second, the electronic component itself could pick up the pulse and generate internally induced currents. The result could produce physical damage to the equipment.
Concern about the potential effects of EMP is new, and as a result little is yet known about the social and economic consequences which might be triggered.
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[ Bericht 2% gewijzigd door SuperHartje op 23-11-2018 09:05:13 ]
Damage to Electronic Systems: Effects of Electromagnetic Pulse
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK219185/
In contrast to the effects of blast and fire, the electromagnetic pulses (EMP), generated as a result of airbursts, leave no visible signs. Nonetheless, in theory such pulses could be highly damaging to microcircuitry. Because of the partial test ban treaty (1963) and the highly sensitive nature of EMP to national security, there is little hard evidence to conclude just how much damage might be incurred. However, recent military interest in new communications technology, such as the $10 billion MILSTAR project, to protect against the effects of EMP suggests how serious the problem may prove to be. Although much of what is known about EMP either is classified as secret information or is highly speculative, the danger the phenomenon poses is very real. Telecommunications networks, information processing equipment, and highly sophisticated medical technology would be vulnerable and could be irreparably harmed by such a blast.1 The problems this pulse poses for electronic equipment are twofold. Electrical power grids would pick up the EMP and transmit a transient spike in voltage to equipment drawing power at the time of the detonation. The rapid rise in voltage would damage microprocessors in a way similar to that resulting from lightning strikes. However, the rise in voltage would be typically 100 times faster, thereby rendering common surge protectors ineffective. Second, the electronic component itself could pick up the pulse and generate internally induced currents. The result could produce physical damage to the equipment.
Concern about the potential effects of EMP is new, and as a result little is yet known about the social and economic consequences which might be triggered.
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Het is apart dat hier de bewijslast wordt omgedraaid.
Ten tweede is er toch legio informatie over atoombommen beschikbaar? Er zijn enorm veel boeken en wetenschappelijke teksten over die heel erg diep in de materie gaan. Als je dat wilt ontkennen, dan kan je toch niet ineens zeggen "Bewijs maar dat het wel kan"?
Wie heeft al die informatie bedacht als het niet werkt, en komt dat nooit uit dan?
https://cnduk.org/how-do-nuclear-weapons-work/
Dat is natuurlijk niet door jan en alleman te reproduceren, dus als atoombommen niet bestaan omdat ik er zelf geen eentje kan maken, lijkt me dat niet een hele sterke beargumentering.
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Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Niks meer over 'nuclear' EMP te zeggen dus.
Not that you wrote ANYTHING of interest anyway.
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Not that you wrote ANYTHING of interest anyway.
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Waarom kwam je nogmaals met die onzin bewering? Je weet dat ik dat helemaal niet stelde.quote:
Niks meer over 'nuclear' EMP te zeggen dus.
Not that you wrote ANYTHING of interest anyway.
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Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Onikaan ni ov dovah
There comes a time when repeated, unsubstantiated, persistent claims become lies.quote:
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Waarom kwam je nogmaals met die onzin bewering? Je weet dat ik dat helemaal niet stelde.
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Dat beantwoord de vraag niet. Waarom lieg je over wat ik claim?quote:
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There comes a time when repeated, unsubstantiated, persistent claims become lies.
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Onikaan ni ov dovah
What did you claim exactly? It was all a bit vague. Please be more specific.quote:
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Dat beantwoord de vraag niet. Waarom lieg je over wat ik claim?
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Zie post #280 hier direct boven.quote:
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What did you claim exactly? It was all a bit vague. Please be more specific.
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Onikaan ni ov dovah
As I suspected – the nuclear EMP threat is fearmongery coming from the political right.
Here are a few of the many examples....
Newt Gingrich (Donald Trump supporter)
https://www.politico.com/(...)ch-emp-attack-093002
A science fiction novel called “One Second After” told a cautionary tale of the doomsday scenario that would unfold if such an attack hit the U.S., frying electrical circuits and knocking out power. In the introduction to the book, Gingrich suggested that an EMP attack would “throw all of our lives back to an existence equal to that of the Middle Ages.”
“Millions would die in the first week alone,” he wrote in the foreword of the novel released in 2009.
Statement from the Republican Party. 2016:
Protection against an Electromagnetic Pulse
A single nuclear weapon detonated at high altitude over this country would collapse our electrical grid and other critical infrastructure and endanger the lives of millions. With North Korea in possession of nuclear missiles and Iran close to having them, an EMP is no longer a theoretical concern. Moreover, China and Russia include sabotage as part of their warfare planning.
Nonetheless, hundreds of electrical utility in the U.S. have not acted to protect themselves from EMP and they cannot be expected to do so voluntarily since homeland security is a government responsibility. We support the enactment of Republican legislation, pending in both chambers, to protect the national grid and encourage states to take the initiative to protect their own grids expeditiously.
James Oberg, a distinguished rocket scientist who visited North Korea’s satellite launch facility, warns in this recent Space Review article:
“There have been fears expressed that North Korea might use a satellite to carry a small nuclear warhead into orbit and then detonate it over the United States for an EMP strike. These concerns seem extreme and require an astronomical scale of irrationality on the part of the regime. The most frightening aspect, I’ve come to realize, is that exactly such a scale of insanity is now evident in the rest of their ‘space program.’ That doomsday scenario, it now seems, has become plausible enough to compel the United States to take active measures to insure that no North Korean satellite, unless thoroughly inspected before launch, be allowed to reach orbit and ever overfly the United States.”
Also Al Jazeera is in on it.
ONE MINUTE | Nuclear E.M.P. explained
Here is a bit more about 'ex' -CIA man and nuclear EMP threat salesman, Peter Vincent Pry....
Looks like he has been peddling the 'nuclear EMP' THEORY for about 35 years. He has worked very hard at spreading the 'nuclear' EMP threat propaganda.
https://jimbakkershow.com/guest-bios/dr-peter-vincent-pry/
Dr. Peter Vincent Pry is Executive Director of the Task Force on National and Homeland Security and Director of the U.S. Nuclear Strategy Forum, both Congressional Advisory Boards, and served on the Congressional EMP Commission, the Congressional Strategic Posture Commission, the House Armed Services Committee, and the CIA.
He is author of Apocalypse Unknown: The Struggle To Protect America From An Electromagnetic Pulse Catastrophe and Electric Armageddon, both available from CreateSpace.com and Amazon.com. Dr. Pry often appears on TV and radio as an expert on national security issues. The BBC made his book War Scare into a two-hour TV documentary Soviet War Scare 1983 and his book Electric Armageddon was the basis for another TV documentary Electronic Armageddon made by the National Geographic.
Dr. Pry serves as contributing editor on several articles for Family Security Matters and writes up-to-date articles based on today’s news and what it means for America on the EMP Task Force website.
The 'nuclear-EMP threat seems to be a load of bluff and bluster.
Here are a few of the many examples....
Newt Gingrich (Donald Trump supporter)
https://www.politico.com/(...)ch-emp-attack-093002
A science fiction novel called “One Second After” told a cautionary tale of the doomsday scenario that would unfold if such an attack hit the U.S., frying electrical circuits and knocking out power. In the introduction to the book, Gingrich suggested that an EMP attack would “throw all of our lives back to an existence equal to that of the Middle Ages.”
“Millions would die in the first week alone,” he wrote in the foreword of the novel released in 2009.
Statement from the Republican Party. 2016:
Protection against an Electromagnetic Pulse
A single nuclear weapon detonated at high altitude over this country would collapse our electrical grid and other critical infrastructure and endanger the lives of millions. With North Korea in possession of nuclear missiles and Iran close to having them, an EMP is no longer a theoretical concern. Moreover, China and Russia include sabotage as part of their warfare planning.
Nonetheless, hundreds of electrical utility in the U.S. have not acted to protect themselves from EMP and they cannot be expected to do so voluntarily since homeland security is a government responsibility. We support the enactment of Republican legislation, pending in both chambers, to protect the national grid and encourage states to take the initiative to protect their own grids expeditiously.
James Oberg, a distinguished rocket scientist who visited North Korea’s satellite launch facility, warns in this recent Space Review article:
“There have been fears expressed that North Korea might use a satellite to carry a small nuclear warhead into orbit and then detonate it over the United States for an EMP strike. These concerns seem extreme and require an astronomical scale of irrationality on the part of the regime. The most frightening aspect, I’ve come to realize, is that exactly such a scale of insanity is now evident in the rest of their ‘space program.’ That doomsday scenario, it now seems, has become plausible enough to compel the United States to take active measures to insure that no North Korean satellite, unless thoroughly inspected before launch, be allowed to reach orbit and ever overfly the United States.”
Also Al Jazeera is in on it.
ONE MINUTE | Nuclear E.M.P. explained
Here is a bit more about 'ex' -CIA man and nuclear EMP threat salesman, Peter Vincent Pry....
Looks like he has been peddling the 'nuclear EMP' THEORY for about 35 years. He has worked very hard at spreading the 'nuclear' EMP threat propaganda.
https://jimbakkershow.com/guest-bios/dr-peter-vincent-pry/
Dr. Peter Vincent Pry is Executive Director of the Task Force on National and Homeland Security and Director of the U.S. Nuclear Strategy Forum, both Congressional Advisory Boards, and served on the Congressional EMP Commission, the Congressional Strategic Posture Commission, the House Armed Services Committee, and the CIA.
He is author of Apocalypse Unknown: The Struggle To Protect America From An Electromagnetic Pulse Catastrophe and Electric Armageddon, both available from CreateSpace.com and Amazon.com. Dr. Pry often appears on TV and radio as an expert on national security issues. The BBC made his book War Scare into a two-hour TV documentary Soviet War Scare 1983 and his book Electric Armageddon was the basis for another TV documentary Electronic Armageddon made by the National Geographic.
Dr. Pry serves as contributing editor on several articles for Family Security Matters and writes up-to-date articles based on today’s news and what it means for America on the EMP Task Force website.
The 'nuclear-EMP threat seems to be a load of bluff and bluster.
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
En waar baseer je die conclusie op?quote:
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The 'nuclear-EMP threat seems to be a load of bluff and bluster.
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Mensen zullen zich meer druk maken dat ze nog leven na een blast dan dat hun electronica nog werkt.quote:
As I suspected – the nuclear EMP threat is fearmongery coming from the political right.
Here are a few of the many examples....
Newt Gingrich (Donald Trump supporter)
https://www.politico.com/(...)ch-emp-attack-093002
A science fiction novel called “One Second After” told a cautionary tale of the doomsday scenario that would unfold if such an attack hit the U.S., frying electrical circuits and knocking out power. In the introduction to the book, Gingrich suggested that an EMP attack would “throw all of our lives back to an existence equal to that of the Middle Ages.”
“Millions would die in the first week alone,” he wrote in the foreword of the novel released in 2009.
Statement from the Republican Party. 2016:
Protection against an Electromagnetic Pulse
A single nuclear weapon detonated at high altitude over this country would collapse our electrical grid and other critical infrastructure and endanger the lives of millions. With North Korea in possession of nuclear missiles and Iran close to having them, an EMP is no longer a theoretical concern. Moreover, China and Russia include sabotage as part of their warfare planning.
Nonetheless, hundreds of electrical utility in the U.S. have not acted to protect themselves from EMP and they cannot be expected to do so voluntarily since homeland security is a government responsibility. We support the enactment of Republican legislation, pending in both chambers, to protect the national grid and encourage states to take the initiative to protect their own grids expeditiously.
James Oberg, a distinguished rocket scientist who visited North Korea’s satellite launch facility, warns in this recent Space Review article:
“There have been fears expressed that North Korea might use a satellite to carry a small nuclear warhead into orbit and then detonate it over the United States for an EMP strike. These concerns seem extreme and require an astronomical scale of irrationality on the part of the regime. The most frightening aspect, I’ve come to realize, is that exactly such a scale of insanity is now evident in the rest of their ‘space program.’ That doomsday scenario, it now seems, has become plausible enough to compel the United States to take active measures to insure that no North Korean satellite, unless thoroughly inspected before launch, be allowed to reach orbit and ever overfly the United States.”
Also Al Jazeera is in on it.
ONE MINUTE | Nuclear E.M.P. explained
Here is a bit more about 'ex' -CIA man and nuclear EMP threat salesman, Peter Vincent Pry....
Looks like he has been peddling the 'nuclear EMP' THEORY for about 35 years. He has worked very hard at spreading the 'nuclear' EMP threat propaganda.
https://jimbakkershow.com/guest-bios/dr-peter-vincent-pry/
Dr. Peter Vincent Pry is Executive Director of the Task Force on National and Homeland Security and Director of the U.S. Nuclear Strategy Forum, both Congressional Advisory Boards, and served on the Congressional EMP Commission, the Congressional Strategic Posture Commission, the House Armed Services Committee, and the CIA.
He is author of Apocalypse Unknown: The Struggle To Protect America From An Electromagnetic Pulse Catastrophe and Electric Armageddon, both available from CreateSpace.com and Amazon.com. Dr. Pry often appears on TV and radio as an expert on national security issues. The BBC made his book War Scare into a two-hour TV documentary Soviet War Scare 1983 and his book Electric Armageddon was the basis for another TV documentary Electronic Armageddon made by the National Geographic.
Dr. Pry serves as contributing editor on several articles for Family Security Matters and writes up-to-date articles based on today’s news and what it means for America on the EMP Task Force website.
The 'nuclear-EMP threat seems to be a load of bluff and bluster.
Er staat nog een vraag voor u open!!
TS lijkt vooral met informatie te komen waaruit blijkt dat de EMP van kernwapens mogelijk een vrij beperkte invloed heeft. Het zegt echter niks over het al dan niet bestaan van kernwapens. Sterker nog, de bronnen suggereren dat kernwapens bestaan.
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Kernenergie is natuurkunde en geen scheikunde.quote:
Ik ben ook wel benieuwd of kerncentrales stiekem op kolen draaien.
Als je in de scheikunde ervan duikt, zou er dan nooit een professor zijn geweest die het bestaan van nucleaire bommen heeft getracht te ontkennen? Dit is toch veel te groot om stil te houden?
Scheikunde houdt zich bezig met electronen in de buitenste schillen van atomen. Kernenergie is zoals de naam doet vermoeden afkomstig uit de kern van een atoom en daardoor natuurkunde.
Dat is wel vaker het geval, user post link, waarbij de bronnen van de link, een totaal ander verhaal weer geven, waar ik zo benieuwd naar ben is of men ook een kerncentrale ontkent, nadeel is een Tingo geeft dan aan dat te ver off topic is, en reden voor nieuw topic, maar dat kan prima hier.quote:
TS lijkt vooral met informatie te komen waaruit blijkt dat de EMP van kernwapens mogelijk een vrij beperkte invloed heeft. Het zegt echter niks over het al dan niet bestaan van kernwapens. Sterker nog, de bronnen suggereren dat kernwapens bestaan.
Ook grappig dat men vastklampt aan een enkele issue, zoals veel in dit deel van topic EMP.
En als we eventueel nog dieper de materie in gaan, wat heeft het voor een nut om kern energie te ontkennen.
Of steekt er iets achter in het gebied rond tsjernobyl.
(ik noem maar iets)
Is die explosie ook in scène gezet? En Fukushima? Net zo..
Er staat nog een vraag voor u open!!
No.quote:
Gebruik je nu een fictie roman om een vals argument te projecteren over EMP?
I quoted the SF novel foreword written by (space-fan, Trump supporter, former Neocon, 'nuclear' EMP theory merchant) Newt Gingrich as an example of the nuclear EMP fear propaganda.
I don't quite understand why you ask such a question. Maybe you misread my post.
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Het antwoord was dus jaquote:
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No.
I quoted the SF novel foreword written by (space-fan, Trump supporter, former Neocon, 'nuclear' EMP theory merchant) Newt Gingrich as an example of the nuclear EMP fear propaganda.
I don't quite understand why you ask such a question. Maybe you misread my post.
You should be asking why such a person would write a foreword in a SF novel.quote:
Op Like I said - I was merely pointing out the 'nuclear' EMP fear propaganda. You don't get it.
Sorry - but I expect better from an English teacher.
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Dus waarom vond je het nodig om hierover te liegen?quote:
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You should be asking why such a person would write a foreword in a SF novel.
Like I said - I was merely pointing out the 'nuclear' EMP fear propaganda. You don't get it.
Sorry - but I expect better from an English teacher.
Seems a bit silly.
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Onikaan ni ov dovah
I'm not lying about anything.quote:
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Dus waarom vond je het nodig om hierover te liegen?
STFU or post something to substantiate the vague claims you have made about the THEORY-BASED 'nuclear' EMP.
You are VERY fckin silly.
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Yeah you are. Hij vroeg quote je uit een roman. Jij zegt nee, waarna blijkt dat je quote uit een roman.quote:
Egregious professor of Cruel and Unusual Geography
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Onikaan ni ov dovah
Dus?quote:
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Yeah you are. Hij vroeg quote je uit een roman. Jij zegt nee, waarna blijkt dat je quote uit een roman.
Instead of questioning authority, they question those that question authority.
