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Op vrijdag 31 juli 2015 19:37 schreef Opnaarutrecht het volgende:

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De islam heeft de reputatie dat het relatief vaak voorkomt. Bij het jodendom is dat niet geval.

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Op vrijdag 31 juli 2015 19:37 schreef Opnaarutrecht het volgende:
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De islam heeft de reputatie dat het relatief vaak voorkomt. Bij het jodendom is dat niet geval.

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Op vrijdag 31 juli 2015 17:29 schreef Triggershot het volgende:

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Zullen wel Joods geweest zijn, maar niet joods.

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saidshouib twitterde op vrijdag 31-07-2015 om 19:53:44 Palestinian martyr "Mohammed Almasry" 17 y old killed by Israeli fire in the northen of #Gaza strip shortly before.. http://t.co/FfXEkXmHI6 reageer retweet

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Op vrijdag 31 juli 2015 20:43 schreef Slayage het volgende:

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saidshouib twitterde op vrijdag 31-07-2015 om 19:53:44 Palestinian martyr "Mohammed Almasry" 17 y old killed by Israeli fire in the northen of #Gaza strip shortly before.. http://t.co/FfXEkXmHI6 reageer retweet

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Op vrijdag 31 juli 2015 20:10 schreef Buitendam het volgende:

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En daarom is het een zachtaardigere religie?

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Op vrijdag 31 juli 2015 16:45 schreef Buitendam het volgende:

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Dat er zes homo's zijn vermoord, maar dat er blijkbaar geen collectief afstand hoeft te worden gedaan van deze daden. Iets wat blijkbaar alleen voor moslims is weggelegd.

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Op vrijdag 31 juli 2015 21:43 schreef Karrs het volgende:

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Ja.

Maar los daarvan: wat heeft dit met de religie te maken?

Degenen die de religie (zeggen te) vertegenwoordigen, hebben de aanval scherp veroordeeld...

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Op vrijdag 31 juli 2015 21:45 schreef Karrs het volgende:

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En dit snap ik dan weer niet. Wat bedoel je hier nou weer mee?

Er *is* collectief afstand gedaan van deze terreurdaad. Door iedereen met een beetje normaal verstand.

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Op vrijdag 31 juli 2015 20:48 schreef Triggershot het volgende:

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Wat versta jij onder 'joods'? Dat neohipster Kaballah achtig gedoe? het jodendom veroordeelt homofilie ten zeerste, kan het desondanks alsnog? Sure, maar dat is te vergelijken met een dronken agent achter het stuur. Beiden niet conform de richtlijnen van de relevante achtergronden.

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Op vrijdag 31 juli 2015 22:49 schreef Buitendam het volgende:

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Ik vraag me af of de reactie hetzelfde was geweest als het een Palestijn bleek te zijn die deze joden had neergestoken.

Of nee, eigenlijk vraag ik me dat niet af. Dan hadden ze anders gereageerd.

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Op zaterdag 1 augustus 2015 00:12 schreef Karrs het volgende:

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Nou, nee hoor. Dat hadden ze ook scherp veroordeeld...

Ze hebben deze daad zelfs een terreurdaad genoemd. Dus ik weet echt niet wat je wil zeggen hiermee.

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Op zaterdag 1 augustus 2015 00:16 schreef Buitendam het volgende:

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Als een Palestijn 6 joden neersteekt veroordelen ze dat niet scherp, dan schieten ze met scherp. Klein verschil.

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Op zaterdag 1 augustus 2015 08:41 schreef Toga het volgende:

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Had je gemist dat er ook fataal is ingehakt in een (n.b.) Druze agent _{(jeweetwel, uit het "bezette" Noorden)}? Reden genoeg lijkt me.
Weet je wat ze ook hadden kunnen doen?

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Op vrijdag 31 juli 2015 19:45 schreef Opnaarutrecht het volgende:

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Jij begrijpt het punt van GeenStijl niet. Wanneer extremistische moslims een aanslag plegen, hoor je van sommige moslims 'het is erg, maar...' Nu een extremistische Jood een aanslag pleegt, keuren invloedrijke Joden, inclusief orthodoxe Joden het af.

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Op zaterdag 1 augustus 2015 09:04 schreef Buitendam het volgende:

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Quote je wel de goede?

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Op zaterdag 1 augustus 2015 09:10 schreef Toga het volgende:

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Jazeker, ik wilde één van de veroordelingen tonen die Hamas hanteert. Opsluiten is niet voldoende, executeren is niet voldoende, hij moet ook nog even door de straten gesleept worden en God mag weten wat ze daarna nog met het lijk hebben uitgespookt.

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Op zaterdag 1 augustus 2015 00:16 schreef Buitendam het volgende:

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Als een Palestijn 6 joden neersteekt veroordelen ze dat niet scherp, dan schieten ze met scherp. Klein verschil.

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Op vrijdag 31 juli 2015 23:46 schreef Triggershot het volgende:

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Verdiep je eens in de Torah en Talmud wat zij over homoseksualiteit zeggen, revisionistische en eigenzinnige stromingen en interpretaties zijn gewenste pogingen tot hervormingen, maar geen historisch onderdeel van de joodse houding tov homoseksualiteit.

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Op zondag 2 augustus 2015 12:43 schreef Smack-a-jack het volgende:
Korte vraag jongens.

Wat doet LIKOED in godsnaam in Nederland? waarom hebben ze een Nederlandse tak van de partij? En waarom liegen ze over hun connecties met NL partijen?

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En hoeveel is hiervan waar?

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Op maandag 3 augustus 2015 09:24 schreef Toga het volgende:
Heel simpel, je gaat even naar hun site en daar lees je "In Nederland is Likoed geen politieke partij maar een vereniging.". Maak je geen zorgen, ze zullen geen partij oprichten die de VVD en PvdA van hun troon duwt en alle Nederlanders dwings joods te zijn.
Blijkbaar beschouwen ze zich onderdeel van Likud World, een organisatie gericht op rechten en veiligheid van joden wereldwijd.

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Het is een liberale, seculiere en democratische partij en als zodanig een zusterpartij van VVD en D66.

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Ik heb niet de gehele monoloog aangehoord, maar al skippend vond ik het nogal een éénzijdige kijk en zonder onderbouwing (afgezien van wat hij "gehoord" en "gelezen" had van geheime (?) notities) en totaal geen weerwoord vanuit het publiek.
Als voorbeeld de pre-emptive aanval op Egypte; hij claimt dat hij gelezen had dat het Egyptische leger nog minstens 1,5 jaar nodig had om een succesvolle aanval te kunnen maken.
Ja, dan kun je twee dingen doen; wachten of die dreiging vroeg wegnemen. Niemand vraagt zich af waarom het Egyptische leger zich in grote getale nestelt bij de Israëlische grens? Oefeningetje?

Ach, de beste man kreeg de kans z'n boek te verkopen met "nieuws". Ongetwijfeld is er een markt voor.

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Likoed Nederland houdt zich bezig met het kenbaar maken van onze politieke ideeën middels:

het publiceren in de Nederlandse pers, op radio en televisie,
het stelling nemen tegen foutieve berichtgeving over Israel en de Likoed in de media en elders,
het onderhouden van contacten met de Nederlandse politiek,
het organiseren van voordrachten,
het medebesturen van de Federatie Nederlandse Zionisten,
het vertegenwoordigen van joods Nederland in de Wereld Zionisten Organisatie en in de Likoed Wereld Organisatie (Likud Olami),
deze internet-site, die onze politieke ideeen wil presenteren en die aandacht wil vragen voor het tegen Joden en Israel gerichte Arabisch extremisme.

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Door Bas Levinsohn, verbonden aan Een Ander Joods Geluid.

Onlangs verscheen op de opiniesite De Dagelijkse Standaard een artikel van een bestuurslid van de Nederlandse afdeling van Likoed, Awi Cohen. In dat stuk geeft Cohen aan waaruit volgens hem de fundamentele verschillen in waarden tussen de Palestijnen en de Israëli's zouden bestaan. Het stuk van Cohen beoogt een weergave van feiten te zijn, maar de werkelijkheid van Cohen blijkt een nogal primitieve opsomming van vooroordelen, halve waarheden en flagrante leugens. Het heeft niet zoveel zin op dat niveau een discussie aan te gaan.

Toch is wat Cohen schrijft wel van belang omdat het een inzicht kan verschaffen in de manier waarop veel rechtse Israëli's denken. En hoewel Awi Cohen niet het officiële Israëlische regeringsstandpunt verwoordt, ligt zijn gedachtegang in de lijn van de opvattingen van een aantal geradicaliseerde Israëlische kabinetsleden.

In zijn stuk zet Cohen uiteen dat de Palestijnen zich altijd wraakzuchtig en moorddadig hebben gedragen. Dat is een onderdeel van hun cultuur, aldus Cohen. De Palestijnen willen ook eigenlijk geen vrede. "De Palestijnen hebben elk internationaal compromis geweigerd om het conflict definitief te beëindigen door een tweestatenoplossing. De Israëli's hebben ze allemaal geaccepteerd: die van de Volkerenbond in 1937, van de Verenigde Naties in 1947, en die van de Verenigde Staten in 2000/2001 en 2014", zo schrijft hij.

Op de stelling dat Israël in het verleden elk internationaal compromis heeft geaccepteerd valt heel wat af te dingen, maar dat dat ook in 2014 het geval geweest zou zijn is gewoon lachwekkend.

Binnen het Israëlische kabinet bestonden vanaf het begin bezwaren tegen het Amerikaanse vredesinitiatief dat minister van Buitenlandse Zaken Kerry een aantal maanden geleden lanceerde. Likoed minister van Defensie Moshe Ya'alon liet zich bijvoorbeeld in het openbaar uiterst denigrerend uit over de persoon Kerry en over zijn poging tot vrede te komen. Ook de Israëlische regering als geheel werkte Kerry tegen. Ze stelde steeds andere eisen aan de Palestijnen, ging door met bouwen van nieuwe nederzettingen in bezet gebied en trok zich tenslotte terug uit het vredesoverleg dat dan ook mislukte. De Verenigde Staten uiten bijna nooit in het openbaar kritiek op hun bondgenoot Israël, maar ditmaal was zelfs voor de Amerikanen de maat vol. Ze betitelden Israëls opstelling tijdens de onderhandelingen als sabotage en dat was het natuurlijk ook.

Wat was de achtergrond van de opstelling van het Israëlische kabinet? Een aantal ministers was van mening dat het onmogelijk maar ook onwenselijk is dat Israël met de Palestijnen tot een vergelijk komt. Net zoals Cohen doet, redeneren ze dat de Palestijnen daarvoor te onbetrouwbaar zijn en sowieso de vernietiging van Israël wensen. Het maakt ook niet uit of ze Fatah of Hamas of iets anders heten. Palestijnen zijn één pot nat. Naar buiten toe verkondigt de regering echter het standpunt voorstander te zijn van een zelfstandige Palestijnse staat.

Het lijkt een van de lastigste opgaven voor de huidige Israëlische regering om de feitelijke afwijzing van een tweestatenoplossing te combineren met de lippendienst aan een onafhankelijke Palestijnse staat, die ze geacht wordt na te streven. Men doet dit door, wat er ook gebeurt, de Palestijnen altijd de schuld te geven van het mislukken van het vredesoverleg. Het is een beproefde tactiek die in het verleden zijn vruchten heeft afgeworpen. Als de Palestijnen niet akkoord gaan met de Israëlische eisen is het volgens de Israëlische propaganda duidelijk dat ze niet in staat zijn een compromis te sluiten en zelfs dat ze eigenlijk geen onafhankelijk Palestina willen.

Het is ook de retoriek waar Cohen zich van bedient. Hij schrijft 'altijd weigerden de Palestijnse leiders een eigen staat omdat de tegenprestatie was, dat men dan akkoord moest gaan met een Joodse staat'. Het is een bizarre stelling. Al was het alleen maar omdat bij de Oslo Vredesakkoorden die in 1993 tussen Israël en Palestijnen werden gesloten die erkenning van Israël werd vastgelegd. De Oslo Akkoorden hebben geen vrede gebracht en daar dragen de drie regeringen die geleid werden door Netanyahu een mede-verantwoordelijkheid voor. Niet verbazingwekkend overigens want Netanyahu heeft zich altijd tegen deze zelfde Oslo Vredesakkoorden gekeerd.

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Op zaterdag 1 augustus 2015 14:09 schreef Toga het volgende:
Dimona, gesticht in 1953 met voornamelijk immigranten uit Noord-Afrika.
Ook het thuis van de Noord-Afrikaanse "Hebreeërs" (die menen als slaven via de VS uiteindelijk in Israël terecht zijn gekomen). Veganisten die de Talmoed afwijzen en menen ze dat de huidige joden niet werkelijk afstammen van de twaalf stammen van Israël en dat "blanke joden" de taal, religie en cultuur gestolen zouden hebben van de "echte joden".
Het is echter nogal generaliserend als iemand zegt dat de gehele bevolking van Dimona achter deze uitspraak staat, maar misschien heeft iemand's vlucht uit Noord-Afrika er iets mee te maken.

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Op maandag 3 augustus 2015 11:39 schreef Smack-a-jack het volgende:

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Maar waarom liegen ze daarover? Het lijkt mij dat dit gewoon een propagandamachine is..

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Trouwens, ik zie niet in wat het belang is van een Likoed in Nederland...

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Ik krijg wel een beetje de kriebels als ik dit lees:

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Op maandag 3 augustus 2015 12:21 schreef Toga het volgende:

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Ik denk dat ze bedoelen: "een partij die overeenkomsten heeft met... en daarom beschouwen we Likoed als dochter van...". Ik heb Likoed hier in ieder geval nog nooit op de stemlijst gezien.

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Ik zie ook het belang er niet van in, er is al een CIDI bijvoorbeeld. Ik denk ook dat ze zich groter voordoen dan ze zijn.
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Ik zie voornamelijk dat ze opkomen voor joden tegen valse mediaberichten en anti-semitisme,

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zo zijn er nog honderden instellingen die in Nederland opkomen voor een minderheidsgroep, liever dit dan instellingen die juist in de aanval gaan tegen minderheden.

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BUITENLAND In Israël is vandaag de leider van een “joodse extremistische groep” gearresteerd. Dat melden de Israëlische veiligheidsdiensten. Meir Ettinger is de eerste verdachte die is aangehouden sinds de brandstichting die vorige week het leven kostte aan een Palestijnse peuter.
Dat meldt persbureau AFP. De 20-jarige Ettinger werd volgens de veiligheidsdienst in het noorden van het land gearresteerd “in verband met zijn activiteiten binnen een extremistische joodse organisatie”. Hij zou verdacht worden van “nationalistische misdaden”. Een woordvoerder van de veiligheidsdienst zei niet of de man verdacht werd van rechtstreekse betrokkenheid bij de dood van het Palestijnse kind.

PROTESTEN
In de nacht van donderdag op vrijdag werd een brandbom gegooid op een huis in een dorp op de Westelijke Jordaanoever, waarbij de Palestijnse peuter Ali Dawabsheh van anderhalf het leven liet. De ouders en een vierjarig broertje wisten gewond uit het huis te vluchten.

De aanslag leidde tot veel verontwaardiging en zaterdagavond gingen duizenden Israëliërs de straat op om hun onvrede met het geweld te uiten. In een zeldzaam gebaar belde de Israëlische premier Benjamin Netanyahu met de Palestijnse president Mahmoud Abbas. Netanyahu noemde de aanval “een verwerpelijke terroristische daad”.

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Op maandag 3 augustus 2015 12:27 schreef Smack-a-jack het volgende:

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Daar gaat het niet om. Het gaat erom dat ze claimen zusterpartij van D66 en VVD te zijn. Ik ben zelf lid van D66 en weet dat dit pertinent onjuist is. Ik snap niet waarom ze daarover liegen? Geeft mij een gevoel dat dit een nogal onbetrouwbaar clubje is.

Wat ik van ze zie is dat ze fora en nieuwssites afstruinen om de aandacht weg te halen van fouten die het regime van Israel maakt en de standaard reactie gooien: "Ja, maar de palestijnen..." "Ja, maar de Arabieren." Een propagandamachine dus.

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Op maandag 3 augustus 2015 21:06 schreef Smack-a-jack het volgende:
Goed nieuws.

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Op woensdag 5 augustus 2015 08:13 schreef Karrs het volgende:
http://www.spitsnieuws.nl(...)an-palestijns-kindje

Die kolonist die die fatale woningbrand heeft veroorzaakt met dat Palestijnse kindje, is dus in de bak gesmeten zonder proces. Mooi dat ie wordt behandeld voor wat ie is: een terrorist.

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Op woensdag 5 augustus 2015 10:17 schreef Smack-a-jack het volgende:

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Daar kan ik dan niet voor juichen als jurist. Zelfs de grootste terrorist heeft recht op een proces.

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Op woensdag 5 augustus 2015 08:13 schreef Karrs het volgende:
http://www.spitsnieuws.nl(...)an-palestijns-kindje

Die kolonist die die fatale woningbrand heeft veroorzaakt met dat Palestijnse kindje, is dus in de bak gesmeten zonder proces. Mooi dat ie wordt behandeld voor wat ie is: een terrorist.

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Op woensdag 5 augustus 2015 10:37 schreef BlauweTijger het volgende:
Ik sprak op vakantie een Israëliet en die zei dat Israël alleen maar acties uitvoert ls er eerst iets tegen hun gedaan wordt. Dus soort retaliate war. In hoeverre is dit waar?

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The disparity in responses to the Iran deal between Israel and its Western allies is a further sign of a growing rift that threatens to only widen
The day after the Iran deal was concluded in Vienna, Labour MP Ian Austin accused UK Foreign Secretary Philip Hammond of backing an “absolutely terrible deal” that had left “people…utterly dismayed in Tel Aviv”. Hammond’s response was blunt, and worth quoting in full:

The question we have to ask is what kind of a deal would have been welcomed in Tel Aviv. The answer, of course, is that Israel does not want any deal with Iran. It wants a permanent state of stand-off, which I do not believe is in the interests of the region or in our interest.

It was a brief exchange - but a telling one. For here was a Conservative foreign secretary telling Parliament in no uncertain terms that not only does Israel want “permanent” conflict with Tehran, but that, on this occasion at least, Israel’s perceived strategic interests diverge from those of the UK.

The story of the Iran nuclear agreement, and the responses to it, is the latest indication that suggests Israel’s relationships with its traditional allies are headed towards troubled waters. The disparity in the reactions to the deal by Israeli leaders on the one hand, and Western politicians and policy centrists on the other, speaks to a more substantial, and long-term significant, gulf.

In Israel, the deal with Iran was slammed not just by Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and members of his cabinet, but also by key opposition figures; Labor chair Isaac Herzog, for example, called it a “bad” agreement that “endangers [Israel’s security interests,” and declared himself “more extreme than Netanyahu” when it came to security-related matters.

It wasn’t just the politicians - the vast majority of mainstream Western foreign policy-focused analysts and think tanks were also positive about the agreement. But it was the on and off the record comments by US officials that were the most striking contrast with Netanyahu’s hyperbolic talk of an “existential” threat.

Unnamed Obama administration officials echoed Hammond’s comments, telling Israeli newspaper Haaretz how “they had reached the conclusion” that Netanyahu “was not interested in any nuclear arrangement with Iran - except for one in which Tehran completely capitulates but is denied sanctions relief in return”.

In a White House press conference, Obama mocked Netanyahu’s claim that Iran ultimately seeks to “take over the world,” while Secretary of State John Kerry slammed talk of an alternative deal he called a “unicorn arrangement.” Obama has also stated his intention to prevent Israeli efforts at swaying Congress, and called out the “money” and “lobbyists” working against the deal.

While the differences over the Iran deal constitute an important signpost, the issue is also likely to accelerate a process that is itself a second important signpost: the transformation of Israel into a partisan issue in American political life.

Earlier this summer, a survey conducted by political consultant Frank Luntz - who has previously advised Israel advocates on how best to defend West Bank settlements - found that support for Israel is dropping amongst so-called “Democratic opinion elites”. 47 percent of Democrats polled, for example, agreed that Israel is a racist country - compared to just 13 percent of Republicans.

According to Luntz, this was evidence that “Israel can no longer claim to have the bipartisan support of America”. A Bloomberg poll in April indicated a similar trend, “a shift that may represent a watershed moment in foreign policy and carry implications for domestic politics after decades of general bipartisan consensus.” As one contributor to Haaretz put it, Israel is “becoming a partisan issue in the United States, and with alarming speed”.

These poll results follow similarly interesting findings almost exactly a year ago, when a Gallup poll conducted during ‘Operation Protective Edge’ found that 51 percent of American adults under-30 considered Israel's attack on Gaza to have been unjustified, compared to 25 percent who thought it justified. Amongst people of colour, it was a similar difference: 49 percent versus 25 percent.

The third signpost is the growing impatience amongst European Union (EU) leaders, including from those governments who have been among Israel’s strongest allies. Last month, during a visit to Israel, Czech Foreign Minister Lubomir Zaoralek attacked West Bank settlement construction, and even used the dreaded “A word”.

We want to avoid initiatives against Israel, but it is getting more difficult with the current government and with the opposition to the two-state solution. What is the alternative, to deteriorate towards apartheid?

Anonymous Israeli “political sources” cited by Yedioth Ahronoth said that the FM’s criticism “reflects our situation with the European Union. Our friends also feel the tension. [Zaoralek] considers himself a friend and came here to tell the truth as he sees it. The Czech Republic is no longer in our pocket."

On 16 July, Hammond went to Israel and met with Netanyahu. Prior to their discussions, the pair held an awkward, press conference where the British diplomat stated that without progress in the comatose peace process, there was a real “risk” that “Israel's standing with public opinion around the world will decline further”.

Support is growing for the EU to close the gap between its stated commitment to human rights and Palestinian independence, and its practical policies, and notably its reluctance to pursue punitive measures targeting Israeli impunity. In January, 63 cross-party MEPs urged EU foreign policy chief Federica Mogherini to suspend the EU-Israel Association Agreement. More recently, 73 MEPs called for the EU to stop funding Israeli military companies through research programmes.

For now, there remains a “copy and paste” quality about EU condemnation of Israeli steps that consolidate occupation. On 29 July, a settlement expansion announcement was greeted with a familiar-sounding statement reiterating Brussels’ expectation that the Israeli government should “demonstrate its commitment to the two-state solution not only in words, but also through its actions”.

Yet behind such responses, and those of a “deeply concerned” US State Department, is a growing impatience with a rejectionist Israeli government that refuses to play the game. Meanwhile, at the level of civil society, both Europe and the US are witnessing the growth of the Boycott, Divestment, and Sanctions (BDS) campaign, whose activists are demanding that their elected representatives, trade unions, pension funds, and universities, end their complicity in Israeli apartheid.

It is not impossible that these trends could be reversed - but this is unlikely, given the more fundamental direction of Israeli politics, and longer-standing trends within Jewish Israeli society. Nor is a clash between Israel and its allies unprecedented - AIPAC, for example, has taken on the White House twice previously (and lost both times).

But there is currently a convergence of developments that point to something more troubling for Israel’s longer-term relations with its Western allies. When even a stalwart Israel-backer like Democratic senator Dianne Feinstein is warning Netanyahu that “demolishing Palestinian homes, displacing residents, and seizing additional Palestinian territory in the West Bank” would be “a step away from peace,” then you know that the times are a-changin’.

- Ben White is the author of ‘Israeli Apartheid: A Beginner’s Guide’ and ‘Palestinians in Israel: Segregation, Discrimination and Democracy’. He is a writer for Middle East Monitor, and his articles have been published by Al Jazeera, al-Araby, Huffington Post, The Electronic Intifada, The Guardian’s Comment is free, and more.

The views expressed in this article belong to the author and do not necessarily reflect the editorial policy of Middle East Eye.

Photo: Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu chairs the weekly cabinet meeting at his Jerusalem office on August 2, 2015.
- See more at: http://www.middleeasteye.(...)J0BwBR.PfDwbRC1.dpuf

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Op woensdag 5 augustus 2015 10:37 schreef BlauweTijger het volgende:
Ik sprak op vakantie een Israëliet en die zei dat Israël alleen maar acties uitvoert ls er eerst iets tegen hun gedaan wordt. Dus soort retaliate war. In hoeverre is dit waar?

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Op woensdag 5 augustus 2015 10:54 schreef Yasmin23 het volgende:

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Vind je dat goed?

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Op woensdag 5 augustus 2015 16:09 schreef Karrs het volgende:

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Wat precies? Dat ie met een grote boog in de bak is gesodemieterd als de terrorist dat het is, of dat daar verder geen proces bij komt kijken?

Dat eerste:
Het tweede heb ik niet echt een oordeel over. Mensenrechten moeten gerespecteerd worden, maar terroristen hebben een groot risico op recidivie. Wat komt dan eerst: mensenrechten of de bescherming van je bevolking?

Bovendien gaat er een potentiele afschrikwekkende werking vanuit. En heb ik persoonlijk geen enkel medelijden met terroristen.

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Op woensdag 5 augustus 2015 16:11 schreef Yasmin23 het volgende:

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Ja bedoelde het vastzetten zonder proces natuurlijk. Op welke gronde zetten ze iemand vast, is er wel enig bewijs dat deze persoon er bij betrokken is etc.

Vind dat ongeacht waar die persoon van verdacht wordt niet acceptabel.

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Op woensdag 5 augustus 2015 16:23 schreef Karrs het volgende:

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Zij wel.

En ze zullen hun redenen ervoor hebben. (En dat weten wij eigenlijk ook wel).

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rly on Friday morning, two masked men entered Duma, a Palestinian village in the West Bank, where they smashed the windows of two houses, threw firebombs inside, and fled. One house was empty; the other wasn’t. Ali Dawabsheh, an eighteen-month-old baby, died. His parents and four-year-old brother remain in critical condition. On the house, the attackers spray-painted, in Hebrew, the words “Long Live the Messiah King” and “Revenge.”

Israeli politicians condemned the fire as an act of terror. “Terrorism is terrorism,” Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said on Friday, as he vowed to bring the perpetrators to justice. “It is difficult to see that there are those within my people capable of such acts,” President Reuven Rivlin said. He added, “The shame is great, though the pain is greater.” Netanyahu and others said that they were “shocked” by the attack. They shouldn’t have been.

For nearly a decade, a radical minority among Jewish settlers has carried out “price-tag attacks” in response to Palestinian violence or any action by the police or military that these settlers deem unjust. The attacks have included the destruction of property—setting fire to cars, livestock, and homes—and the desecration of mosques and churches. Some attacks, such as the vandalism of a military base in 2011, have been aimed directly at authorities, but more often they target Palestinians. “These quote-unquote hilltop youths tried to form an equation that told us—‘You evacuate a settlement, we will hurt the Palestinians,’” Avi Mizrahi, the former head of Central Command, told Israel’s Channel 10, in a report on the phenomenon in 2013.

Friday’s attack came during the same week that an Israeli court ordered the demolition of two illegal apartment buildings in the West Bank settlement of Beit El. It has also been described as retaliation for the drive-by shooting of four Israelis in the West Bank last month, which left one dead. The price-tag attacks at once stoke Palestinian violence and feed off it; they are cyclical and create a chilling sense of déjà vu. The murder of Ali Dawabsheh took place a year after another Palestinian, a sixteen-year-old named Muhammad Abu Khdeir, was burned alive. That killing, too, was an act of revenge, for the kidnapping and murder of three Israeli teen-agers last summer, which led to a full-blown war between Israel and Hamas in the Gaza Strip.

The first price-tag attacks took place in 2006, in response to Israel’s withdrawal from the Gaza Strip and evacuations of Jewish outposts in the West Bank, which riled and radicalized the settler camp. The attacks grew rampant in 2008. The Yesha Council, the main body that represents settlers, denounced the attacks as immoral in 2011. But the Yesha Council’s authority has weakened dramatically in recent years, as violent far-right settlers, backed by extremist rabbis, have taken the law into their own hands. The group behind these attacks is estimated to range from a few hundred to some three thousand members. As it has become more radical, so have its attacks, which have evolved from property destruction to torching Palestinian homes at times when residents are likely to be in them. Last year, for the first time, the U.S. State Department included price-tag attacks in its annual terrorism report. It recorded nearly four hundred cases in 2013. In 2014, the number dipped slightly, to three hundred and thirty.

New evidence shows that these attacks aren’t caused by a few “wild weeds,” as they are called in Hebrew, but are supported by settler councils, which have grown more extremist and are paid for, in large part, by taxpayer money. A report by the liberal think tank Molad revealed settler-council correspondence that describes price-tag tactics as a legitimate means of protest against the government. “What does this have to do with targeting Arabs?” the head of a Samaria settler council asked rhetorically in one document. He answered, “We believe that the borders of the struggle are wide,” and called on settlers to act “creatively.” Itzik Shadmi, another settler leader, justified the targeting of Israeli soldiers in a letter to settlement residents. “We must treat our opponent as a criminal—full stop. As a robber who wishes to uproot you from your home and hand it over to murderers and liars,” Shadmi wrote.

While Netanyahu’s denunciation of Friday’s attack was swift, it seemed to exist in a vacuum. Two days earlier, as settlers rioted in response to the demolition of the illegal buildings in Beit El, Netanyahu approved the construction of three hundred new housing units in the buildings’ stead. That same day, Naftali Bennet, Israel’s education minister and the leader of the ultranationalist Jewish Home Party, showed up in Beit El; he called the rioting settlers “my brothers” and described the military’s removal of these apartment blocks as a “hasty, extremist, and inciting act.” There is now real, worrisome potential for conflagration. Hamas declared Friday a “day of rage” and stated that “every Israeli is now a legitimate target.” On Saturday, Palestinians and Israeli security forces clashed in Duma and in a refugee camp near Ramallah. On Monday, an Israeli woman was injured when a firebomb struck her car in Jerusalem.

Fifteen Palestinian homes have been set on fire in recent years, but not one of the arsonists has been put behind bars. While the police opened investigations into twelve of the cases, ten of them ended without indictments, according to Yesh Din, an Israeli human-rights organization. (The three others were closed after the victims dropped charges.) It is undeniably difficult to gather enough evidence to bring the perpetrators of these attacks to trial: the settler community, which numbers more than three hundred thousand in the West Bank, covers assailants in a shroud of silence. In 2010, a far-right activist who spent hundreds of hours in the interrogation rooms of Shin Bet, the Israeli internal-intelligence agency, circulated a manual among settlers on how to avoid divulging any information that could be used as evidence in such cases. Tips included not talking to government-appointed lawyers.

Still, some on the left blame the police and military for the lack of prosecutions. In a statement on Friday, the human-rights group B’Tselem said that the latest attack was the result of “the authorities’ policy of not enforcing the law against Israelis who attack Palestinians and their property.” Others say that the government should be doing more to criminalize the attackers and the rabbis who hide behind them. “These rabbis have names, addresses, yeshivas,” Carmi Gilon, the former head of Shin Bet, said at a rally on Saturday in Tel Aviv. Gillon called on the government and the legal system to “deal with them just as you would deal with the religious leaders of Hamas.”

If Netanyahu is serious about stopping price-tag attacks, he should not only call the perpetrators terrorists but also treat them as such. Israel routinely holds suspected Palestinian terrorists for long periods of time without trial, under a controversial procedure known as administrative detention. Administrative detention has been used in the cases of just two Jewish Israelis, but this looks likely to change following an emergency meeting of the security cabinet on Sunday, during which it approved measures allowing the administrative detention of Israelis who attack Palestinians.

On Monday, Defense Minister Moshe Ya’alon vowed that he would “fight Jewish terror without compromise” and recommended that the government “implement the drastic measure of administrative detention.” That same day, the police arrested Meir Ettinger, a far-right activist and the grandson of the militant Rabbi Meir Kahane, for suspected involvement in an extremist cell. Ettinger isn’t tied directly to the attack in Duma, but he is believed to be behind a group, calling itself “the Revolt,” which has plotted violent crimes against Palestinians in the past year. So far, he isn’t being held in administrative detention, but Haaretz reports that if he refuses to coöperate with the investigation, he will be.

“The idea of ‘The Revolt’ is very simple,” Ettinger wrote in a 2013 manifesto. “Israel has many weak spots: issues that are tiptoed around so as not to create riots. All we need to do is light up the explosives.”

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Op woensdag 5 augustus 2015 20:18 schreef Smack-a-jack het volgende:

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As tensions flare in the occupied West Bank following the burning to death of a 14-month-old Palestinian baby at the hands of Israeli extremists, a recent image circulating the web has inspired some hope for a peaceful future in an area torn apart by conflict.

Israeli Extremist Detained Without Trial After Deadly West Bank Arson
The incident began on Saturday, when a group of Israeli settlers attempted to prevent Palestinian farmers from working on the field in the village of Qusra in the Esh Kodesh settlement, north of Nablus. Clashes ensued between the two groups, and although the details of the unrest are still unclear, Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) were called into the area after reports of rock throwing.
When security forces arrived at the scene, the two groups were pelting each other with rocks. According to TheBlaze, the security forces were targeted by rocks when a police officer pulled a stun gun at a Palestinian villager.

In the middle of the fighting, photographer Shaul Golan with the Yediot Ahronoth newspaper, managed to capture an image that truly stood out from the violence.

"Amid all the chaos, I saw this female officer. She was really scared," Golan said. "She was abandoned in the field and her so-called enemies were guarding her. I knew right away it was a special moment."

One of the men, standing to the officer’s right and wearing a blue shirt, was later identified as Zakaria Sadah, a Palestinian field worker with the Israeli organization Rabbis for Human Rights (RHR). The group of Israeli rabbis was founded with the goal of raising public awareness about Tel Aviv’s human rights violations.

Campaign to Save Susiya in West Bank Gets Social Media Support
According to RHR, the image shows Sadah calling out "Don’t shoot!" at the police. He then proceeded to escort the policewoman back to the Israeli security forces.

While the image, which was quick to circulate the web, offers a rare glimpse of hope in a long history of conflict, many were quick to criticize the two men for their act. Speaking to TheBlaze, Sadah said that he is being accused by many as a Palestinian traitor for protecting the Israeli woman.

"There are those who are writing against me in the Palestinian social media because we protected a policewoman, as if we’re 'traitors,'" he said. "On the other hand, I see that settlers are attacking me. So you feel you’re under fire from both sides."

The criticism toward an otherwise simple and humane act can easily be dismissed as cynical, but has become emblematic of the decades long and seemingly endless Palestinian-Israeli conflict. Sadah, however, remains hopeful and seems as dedicated as ever to preach for peace by example.

"I will continue my way. I don’t care what people say or do," he said. "For me a person is a person. A life of a person is important. At the same time I protected both the policewoman and Palestinian lives. Both are important to me and I will continue my peace activism."

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Palestinians protect Israeli policewoman as Jewish settlers clash with farm workers.
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Op donderdag 6 augustus 2015 11:23 schreef Gerolsteiner het volgende:
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Study of Holocaust survivors finds trauma passed on to children's genes | Science | The Guardian

New finding is first example in humans of the theory of epigenetic inheritance: the idea that environmental factors can affect the genes of your children

New finding is first example in humans of the theory of epigenetic inheritance: the idea that environmental factors can affect the genes of your children

Genetic changes stemming from the trauma suffered by Holocaust survivors are capable of being passed on to their children, the clearest sign yet that one person’s life experience can affect subsequent generations.

The conclusion from a research team at New York’s Mount Sinai hospital led by Rachel Yehuda stems from the genetic study of 32 Jewish men and women who had either been interned in a Nazi concentration camp, witnessed or experienced torture or who had had to hide during the second world war.

They also analysed the genes of their children, who are known to have increased likelihood of stress disorders, and compared the results with Jewish families who were living outside of Europe during the war. “The gene changes in the children could only be attributed to Holocaust exposure in the parents,” said Yehuda.

Related: Holocaust survivors' grandchildren call for action over inherited trauma

Her team’s work is the clearest example in humans of the transmission of trauma to a child via what is called “epigenetic inheritance” - the idea that environmental influences such as smoking, diet and stress can affect the genes of your children and possibly even grandchildren.

The idea is controversial, as scientific convention states that genes contained in DNA are the only way to transmit biological information between generations. However, our genes are modified by the environment all the time, through chemical tags that attach themselves to our DNA, switching genes on and off. Recent studies suggest that some of these tags might somehow be passed through generations, meaning our environment could have and impact on our children’s health.

Other studies have proposed a more tentative connection between one generation’s experience and the next. For example, girls born to Dutch women who were pregnant during a severe famine at the end of the second world war had an above-average risk of developing schizophrenia. Likewise, another study has showed that men who smoked before puberty fathered heavier sons than those who smoked after.

The team were specifically interested in one region of a gene associated with the regulation of stress hormones, which is known to be affected by trauma. “It makes sense to look at this gene,” said Yehuda. “If there’s a transmitted effect of trauma, it would be in a stress-related gene that shapes the way we cope with our environment.”

They found epigenetic tags on the very same part of this gene in both the Holocaust survivors and their offspring, the same correlation was not found in any of the control group and their children.

Through further genetic analysis, the team ruled out the possibility that the epigenetic changes were a result of trauma that the children had experienced themselves.

“To our knowledge, this provides the first demonstration of transmission of pre-conception stress effects resulting in epigenetic changes in both the exposed parents and their offspring in humans,” said Yehuda, whose work was published in Biological Psychiatry.

It’s still not clear how these tags might be passed from parent to child. Genetic information in sperm and eggs is not supposed to be affected by the environment - any epigenetic tags on DNA had been thought to be wiped clean soon after fertilisation occurs.

However, research by Azim Surani at Cambridge University and colleagues, has recently shown that some epigenetic tags escape the cleaning process at fertilisation, slipping through the net. It’s not clear whether the gene changes found in the study would permanently affect the children’s health, nor do the results upend any of our theories of evolution.

Whether the gene in question is switched on or off could have a tremendous impact on how much stress hormone is made and how we cope with stress, said Yehuda. “It’s a lot to wrap our heads around. It’s certainly an opportunity to learn a lot of important things about how we adapt to our environment and how we might pass on environmental resilience.”

The impact of Holocaust survival on the next generation has been investigated for years - the challenge has been to show intergenerational effects are not just transmitted by social influences from the parents or regular genetic inheritance, said Marcus Pembrey, emeritus professor of paediatric genetics at University College London.

“Yehuda’s paper makes some useful progress. What we’re getting here is the very beginnings of a understanding of how one generation responds to the experiences of the previous generation. It’s fine-tuning the way your genes respond to the world.”

Researchers have already shown that certain fears might be inherited through generations, at least in animals.

Scientists at Emory University in Atlanta trained male mice to fear the smell of cherry blossom by pairing the smell with a small electric shock. Eventually the mice shuddered at the smell even when it was delivered on its own.

Despite never having encountered the smell of cherry blossom, the offspring of these mice had the same fearful response to the smell - shuddering when they came in contact with it. So too did some of their own offspring.

On the other hand, offspring of mice that had been conditioned to fear another smell, or mice who’d had no such conditioning had no fear of cherry blossom.

The fearful mice produced sperm which had fewer epigenetic tags on the gene responsible for producing receptors that sense cherry blossom. The pups themselves had an increased number of cherry blossom smell receptors in their brain, although how this led to them associating the smell with fear is still a mystery.
Bron: www.theguardian.com

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Op zaterdag 22 augustus 2015 22:55 schreef Papierversnipperaar het volgende:
Ik roep al jaren dat de Israëli's hun holocaust-trauma op de Palestijnen aan het botvieren zijn.

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Op zondag 23 augustus 2015 00:15 schreef Slaro het volgende:

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Volgens mij zijn de Palestijnen niet de kinderen van Holocaust-overlevenden dus.

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Op zaterdag 22 augustus 2015 22:55 schreef Papierversnipperaar het volgende:
Ik roep al jaren dat de Israëli's hun holocaust-trauma op de Palestijnen aan het botvieren zijn.

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Op zondag 23 augustus 2015 12:42 schreef Opnaarutrecht het volgende:

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Een kansloze Godwin.

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Op zondag 23 augustus 2015 12:43 schreef Papierversnipperaar het volgende:

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Dit een Godwin?

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Op zondag 23 augustus 2015 12:42 schreef Opnaarutrecht het volgende:

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Een kansloze Godwin.

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Op zondag 23 augustus 2015 12:12 schreef Papierversnipperaar het volgende:

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Dus wat?

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Op zondag 23 augustus 2015 15:28 schreef Slaro het volgende:

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Dat je opmerking eerder dus nergens op slaat in ieder geval.

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Op zondag 23 augustus 2015 15:31 schreef Papierversnipperaar het volgende:

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Jouw post slaat iig niet op het artikel dat ik postte.

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Op zondag 23 augustus 2015 15:35 schreef Slaro het volgende:

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Jij zegt iets over dat artikel en ik reageer op jouw opmerking eveneens gebruik makend van dat artikel.

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Op zondag 23 augustus 2015 15:59 schreef Papierversnipperaar het volgende:

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Jouw reactie slaat op niets.

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Op zondag 23 augustus 2015 16:45 schreef Slaro het volgende:

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Het sloeg in ieder geval op de opmerking die jij plaatste, mag jij 'niets' vinden, maar dat zegt meer over jouw opmerking in ieder geval ik vond hem heel dom overkomen wat je beweerde eerder.

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Op zondag 23 augustus 2015 16:49 schreef Papierversnipperaar het volgende:

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Wat beweerde ik eerder dan?

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Op zondag 23 augustus 2015 16:50 schreef Slaro het volgende:

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Het voordeel van een forum is dat je de reacties, inclusief die van jezelf, gewoon kan terugzoeken.

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Op zondag 23 augustus 2015 16:51 schreef Papierversnipperaar het volgende:

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Nou, dan kan je dus simpelweg quoten wat jij dacht dat ik beweerde.

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Ik kan misschien quoten wat jij hebt beweerd, wat ik dacht dat jij beweerde is naar verwachting niet veel anders maar een beetje een rare vraag, vind je niet of?

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Op zondag 23 augustus 2015 16:59 schreef Papierversnipperaar het volgende:

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Nee. Jouw reactie sloeg totaal niet op mijn post en op het artikel. Jij begon over Palestijnen. Mijn commentaar en het artikel gaan niet over Palestijnen.

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archicivilians twitterde op maandag 24-08-2015 om 11:56:43 This morning in Tel Aviv: "The #Iran|ian Embassy soon in #Israel." (via @rimamustafa3) http://t.co/qaHSx9rPfG reageer retweet

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Op zondag 6 september 2015 22:36 schreef Inspireme het volgende:
Palestijnse vluchtelingen naar Europa?

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Op zondag 6 september 2015 22:36 schreef Inspireme het volgende:

'Gaza to be unlivable by 2020': No clean water, proper food, electricity

Palestijnse vluchtelingen naar Europa?

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Gaza is een failed state, door en door corrupt dat enkel kan overleven door miljarden Westerse steun.

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Op vrijdag 25 september 2015 09:26 schreef Gerolsteiner het volgende:

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Vooral door Iraanse steun voor de terroristen die de dienst uitmaken. Het Westen legitimeert ze vervolgens door hulp te bieden inderdaad. De ellende in Gaza is dan ook de schuld van Iran en iedereen die Hamas steunt.

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Op vrijdag 25 september 2015 09:36 schreef xpompompomx het volgende:

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'The EU must ban all products from Israel'

Frank van der Linde, a Dutch political-social activist who spent a long time in Israel and has dozens of friends in the country, is the face of the BDS campaign in the Netherlands. In a special interview to Yedioth Ahronoth, he explains why he doesn't recognize Israel as a state, dismisses claims of hypocrisy in light of the other injustices taking place in the world, and says he supports the rights of both Palestinian and Jewish refugees.

In early September 2014, the Israeli Embassy in The Hague, the Netherlands, issued an invitation to Israel's friends and supporters in the country, as well as to government leaders and public administration heads, parliament members and journalists, to attend a special event held under the banner "Israel = Culture."

"Be there to support Israel and the positive ideas it represents," the invitation read. "We celebrate life, humanity and creativity."

The event was the highlight of the "Israel Theater Week" celebrations in Amsterdam. The first lady of Israeli theater, Israel Prize laureate Lea Koenig, was invited as the guest of honor to receive a special citation from Israeli Ambassador to the Netherlands Haim Divon and then perform a one-woman show.

"We got hold of the invitation," says Frank van der Linde, a leading political-social activist in the Netherlands and one of the leaders of the anti-Israel Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) campaign in the country, "and quickly reached the conclusion that it would be an excellent event to demonstrate against the occupation and in favor of Palestine's liberation. We don’t want to give Israel a chance to brand itself as a normal country. There is no such thing as 'business as usual.' We started getting organized."

Protesting against Israel is one thing, but what has Lea Koenig done? Do you see her as part of the occupation government too?

Van der Linde says Koenig was initially not a target. The target was the entire event, "which was presented as a show of support for Israel," but as part of their preparations the activists conducted an investigation on Koenig.

"We checked her out very well and saw that she had never spoken against the occupation or in favor of Palestinian rights. Then we found out that the plays in which she performs the lead role are also presented in the occupied territories. As far as we were concerned, this discovery was enough to turn her into a legitimate target."

The activists walked around the streets of Amsterdam and shot a video, which would be posted that evening on the Internet, on van der Linde's blog. Then they hid the sign and kaffiyehs, bought tickets and entered. The event began, speeches, congratulations, a cordial exchange of words, the ambassador and Koenig on the stage, and the show itself. Then, half an hour later, the 10 group members pulled out the signs and the kaffiyehs and began shouting, "Boycott Israel" and "free Palestine."

"We were immediately attacked, first by parts of the audience and than by both the Israeli security guards and by Dutch police officers in plain clothes," van der Linde recounts, "it became very messy."

A commotion erupted, documented on video by two other activists who were planted among the audience. The documentation shows the embarrassment on Koenig's face as she remained seated on the stage. A short struggle began between the police and van der Linde and his friends. They were handcuffed, put in police cars and sent to a police station, where they spent a few hours. One of van der Linde's friends, who was accused of using violence against police officers, spent the night there.

The event resumed a long while later, in an unpleasant atmosphere, and ended on a weak note. Charges were filed against all the group members for disrupting the public order, but their voluntary lawyers got them all out with nothing.

Following the incident, and additional conflicts, van der Linde filed a claim against the Dutch police about a month ago, demanding that the court order the police to stop using the "chokehold" technique of grasping a person by the neck while conducting an arrest, arguing that it could lead to death.

"As far as we were concerned, the event was a success. We achieved all our goals," van der Linde says with satisfaction. The extensive documentation of the event from several cameras was edited and posted online, aired on a number of television stations and provoked many reactions.

As far as the embassy in The Hague and the State of Israel are concerned, such an incident is naturally perceived as a big problem, a further sign of the growing strength of anti-Israel movements and the BDS campaign in Europe.

A Foreign Ministry official involved in the issue told me this week, "As far as we are concerned, such incidents are serious because they touch on the areas of life - culture, theater, sports, academia - which are not directly linked to the government's policy or to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. The more the anti-Israel campaign touches on these areas, the more complicated the situation as far as we are concerned."

The series of interviews with van der Linde was conducted in Tel Aviv two weeks ago. He came here in order to disrupt Amsterdam Mayor Eberhard van der Laan's visit to Israel. In some of the activities, van der Linde was assisted by Ronnie Barkan, the head of Israeli organization Boycott from Within, which uses methods similar to those used by the BDS movement.

Barkan was present in one of our meetings alongside an Israeli activist in his organization, who had a kaffiyeh tied around her bag and was watching them both with dreamy and admiring eyes, as if they were Dany le Rouge, who had fought for justice and peace between the nations in Paris in the 1960s.

Even before the mayor arrived here, and when the anti-Israel activists learned of the visit, van der Linde and his friends launched a series of activities. 'We entered Amsterdam's city hall and lay on the floor there, dozens of activists, with pro-Palestine posters, pretending to be dead in order to remind people of those massacred in Gaza. We had to be forcibly evacuated."

Every Friday Amsterdam's mayor gives an interview to "Talk with the Mayor" in the local television station, talks about the past week in the city and answers journalists' questions. Van der Linde made sure that one of them would ask him about his upcoming visit to Tel Aviv, and what steps, meetings and statements he was planning to make there in order to mention the Palestinian problem.

The interview caused quite a lot of embarrassment to the mayor, who promised to talk to Tel Aviv Mayor Ron Huldai about the issue of human rights. According to van der Linde, it also led to inclusion of more Human rights and Palestinian content in the Israel trip. The journalists who escorted the mayor on his journey asked him whether he had already spoken to Huldai about the Palestinians' rights.

That didn’t satisfy the activists. Van der Linde sent an email to all members of the Tel Aviv City Council, requesting to meet with them (they turned him down). The meeting and interview he asked for with Mayor Huldai were also left unanswered. "What was left was to stick to the mayor when he arrived in Tel Aviv and try to confront him with what he is supposed to do on such a visit."

Van der Linde estimated that the Shin Bet would detain him at Ben-Gurion Airport and made all the required preparations, including keeping one Dutch lawyer and one Israeli lawyer on alert, as well as a prepared appeal to the Netherlands Embassy in Tel Aviv to release him.

The Shin Bet didn’t do him this favor, and van der Linde continued to follow the mayor around. He documented the wreath laid by the mayor at the commemoration site near the municipality building where Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin was murdered, and shot a film in which he strongly criticizes van der Laan and suggests that he walk two more blocks in order to lay a wreath on the ruins of an Arab village "behind Ibn Gabirol Street."

The pressure didn’t end here. During his visit, the Amsterdam mayor discussed the possibility of signing a twin city agreement with Tel Aviv. Another initiative of the anti-Israel boycott people is to thwart the plan. "Why should such a thing happen? There is nothing worse for the Amsterdam Municipality than forming ties with a city involved with a government which is afflicted by war crimes."

That may be the reason why Israelis should listen to what van der Linde has to say, with surprising openness, about the campaign in which he plays a major part. Van der Linde is not just another person talking about BDS. He is the BDS. There are many others like him, and their number is increasing all the time.

Whoever wishes to understand the BDS and the anti-Israel campaign which is gaining momentum, should read what he has to say and maybe even understand just how different his profile is from what the Israeli propaganda system is trying to portray.

He is not a Muslim and he has nothing to do with Muslims. He is not the son of an anti-Semitic family. He has spent a long time in Israel. He has dozens of friends here, and he has no funding or any connection to Arab or Iranian elements. Van der Linde really believes in what he is doing, and he is willing to sacrifice quite a lot for it.

I have known him for about 10 years, through mutual Israeli friends. I was always impressed by his education and worldwide independent thought, his excellent English, his desire to contribute and change and his anti-establishment conduct. I had the chance to meet him several times in Europe and in Israel. I saw how much he loves Israeli men and women, how comfortable he feels with them, and how comfortable they feel with him.

In the past five years, I have, with some grief, watched the anti-Israel radicalization process he been going through. He did it on his own, without anyone brainwashing him. Frank is a very non-naïve person. And that, if you wish, is the most concerning thing for Israelis.

Van der Linde, 47, was born in Staphorst, a small village in the central-northern Netherlands. After many years as a business entrepreneur and organizational consultant in Lisbon, he started working in 2001 for a series of non-governmental organizations, "because I reached the conclusion that there is so much injustice in the world and I want to do something about it."

He worked for Amnesty and for Fairfood, an international organization which aims to pressure large food companies to manufacture their products without polluting, without employing children and without exploiting employees. He served as the organization's executive director for three years.

"We used the carrot and stick method, but in a much more moderate way than how I operate today. The food companies knew that by accepting our advice and our requests, they would also receive the carrot. They would be able to say, 'We talk to Fairfood, which means we do good things.' If they didn’t accept the demands, we knew how to use the stick - protests, articles in the media, social media campaigns, etc."

But that was not aggressive enough for van der Linde either. He wanted to act firmly against a large food company. "I realized that when I really want to kick international companies in the ass, I am not allowed to do so because of the elements funding us. I felt as if I had been shot in the back and decided to quit. I realized that in the world of NGOs, even the director is incapable of making a real change."

Van der Linde decided to take some timeout to think, and chose a particularly exotic place to spend it in: Tel Aviv. It was his third visit to Israel. From mid 2012 to early 2013, he lived in a rented apartment there and thought about "how to fulfill myself in the best way possible."

He has always had an interest in the Middle East. "I wanted to see what it looks like up close. I arrived with a critical approach towards the government's policy, but I thought it would be unfair to take this approach without living here and talking to people on all sides. After half a year, and a series of visits to the West Bank and Gaza, I left with an even worse feeling. Israel is doing horrible things. When I arrived in Israel, I would never use the term 'ethnical cleansing.' When I left after half a year, I didn't have problems anymore to use that term."

Upon his return to the Netherlands, van der Linde began publishing opinion articles in Dutch newspapers, and quickly formed a new world-view and profession, with which he signs the emails coming out of the MacBook Pro he carries wherever he goes - "Activist." He is referring to something deeper than the actual word - an activist in the sense of a person who works for goals and ideologies, almost always against the establishment. Any establishment.

Van der Linde chose a series of goals, including arms trafficking, the deprivation of minorities and women in Saudi Arabia, and above all, the trendiest goal in today's world of activists: Israel.

"Before leaving the country, I tried to look into the possibility of operating here, but I was met with angry reactions from Israelis saying that my advice is not needed, that I am a foreigner, that I have nothing to do here.

"A Palestinian in the West Bank said to me, 'If you really want to help us, pressure your government.' So my line of action is not against the Israeli government, but against the Dutch government and the actions it takes or doesn’t take in regards to Israel and Palestine. In order to fulfill this, I was forced to return to the Netherlands, although I really don’t like the culture there and prefer the Mediterranean countries."

He has also chosen a way of complete transparency. "For years, the world of activists in the Netherlands was completely dead. Everyone thought we had solved the problems. It all changed in the past decade. A radical right-wing government made it clear that nothing had been solved. Geert Wilders (the radical right-wing leader) uses the freedom of expression argument to make racist statements against Muslims. A double moral standard has been created. One can say horrible things about Arabs, but if someone says the same thing about Jews, he will immediately find himself in a police interrogation.

"I have the perfect profile of an activist: I have no family, I don’t have a house with a mortgage and all other kinds of things which make you vulnerable. Albert Camus said that "the only way to deal with an unfree world is to become so absolutely free that your very existence is an act of rebellion." In the organization I headed, the donors held me in a sensitive spot. Today, what can they do to me? Arrest me? That doesn’t scare me. I have nothing to lose.

"Unlike the days of the student revolt, we live today and a surveillance state where it's very difficult to hide actions and organizations. Whoever tries to hide, it will eventually act against him. When Shimon Peres visited Amsterdam, an activist who intentionally did not use Facebook or send emails was arrested. The police managed to pick on him because he operated in the dark. The publicity protects me. Everything we do is immediately sent to the media. Today the police find it much more difficult to deal with me because they know I will turn every such incident into a media event."

Van der Linde says he dedicates 30 percent of his time today to anti-Israel activities. Last year, he was among the organizers of an anti-Israel protest in Amsterdam during Operation Protective Edge.

"I recently reached the conclusion that I don't recognize the State of Israel as a state. It's a very serious thing to say, and I understand that as an Israeli it's difficult for you to hear this too. But it's important to stress that it doesn’t affect my attitude towards Israelis or Jews. The statement that whoever criticizes the Israeli government is anti-Semitic is nonsense. It’s an insane statement. I have no problem with Israelis.

"It's clear that when you challenge the actual legitimacy of the State of Israel, people immediately come to you and say, 'You don’t recognize the Jews' right to self-determination, their right to establish their own state.' But that's nonsense too. Of course I recognize that, but I also recognize the Palestinians' right to self-determination. These are two people which want their right to the same piece of land to be recognized. It’s a problem. The freedom of a person or a government ends in the place where they violate someone else's freedom."

Why are you focusing on Israel? There is quite a lot of hypocrisy in the fact that you activists are not protesting against the genocide in Syria or the Islamic State horrors or countless other injustices in the world.

"If I have two neighbors who both beat up their wives, am I allowed to tell one person to stop beating his wife only if I say it to both of them? I chose to act against the Israeli government and the occupation. That doesn’t mean that there aren’t many other problems and crimes in the world. It only means that I decided to focus my attention on this issue, alongside some other issues.

"Beyond that, the ISIS issue is being handled by the West quite intensively, so there is no need for our intervention. The situation in Israel and Palestine is not being handled and is greatly affecting the relationship between the West and the billions of Muslims in the world. We citizens should act on this issue, because the governments have completely failed."

And why isn’t Israel legitimate? The Arab states and the Palestinians are the ones who rejected the 1947 UN's partition resolutions and tried to annihilate the young state.

"Whatever."

The fact that you say 'whatever' proves that you are only focusing on one side and ignoring the other side's bad deeds.

"And why should they accept the UN resolution which divided the land by half, although the Arab were a majority here? Of course they won't agree to it."

Okay, and according to that logic we are now the majority, so why should we agree to a bi-national state, the right of return, etc?

"Someone told me, 'You don’t recognize the United States because it is also built on moving the original population.' I replied, 'You are definitely right theoretically, but in this case it is simply too late to try and bring the remaining Indians back to their original land. That is not the situation yet between the Jews and the Palestinians."

It’s important to van der Linde to explain what the BDS campaign is all about and how it differs from the campaign to boycott Israel: "The BDS isn’t demanding steps or outlining a way for a solution. Rather, it's a campaign of rights. It says that the three rights of the Palestinians are nonnegotiable and cannot be compromised - a full Israeli withdrawal from the territories, granting full rights to the Arab citizens within the Green Line and granting a right of return to the Palestinians.

"I know," he adds immediately, "that as far as those reading this interview are concerned, the third matter is the problematic one because it will create a solution of one state and a Muslim majority in this state."

And what about the rights of the Jewish refugees who were expelled from Arab states and turned into disinherited refugees?

"I fully support them and their justified struggle."

Do you really think that it's not too late regarding the Palestinian refugees? Do you believe that any government in Israel will ever let a mass of refugees to return to its country?

"Listen, I'm not naïve. The complexity of the current situation is clear to me. But no one imagined, when people like me went out to protest against the apartheid, that one day it would collapse. No one believed that the Berlin Wall would be torn down either."

If there will be a Palestinian majority here, in the situation you are preaching for, what will this place look like? Will they let the Jews live here in peace?

"Clearly, it will be very difficult for Jews and Palestinians to live together in one state. But it's not my job to outline the solution. The BDS doesn’t deal with solutions. It deals with rights which must not be compromised."

Van der Linde doesn’t argue with the figures about the prosperity in Israel, nor with the fact that had he tried to voice his harsh criticism against the government in Egypt, he would have found himself behind bars.

"So let's continue your metaphor that Israeli is a 'villa in the jungle,' a villa I really enjoyed living in and visiting. Even the mayor of my city, Amsterdam, says that Tel Aviv is a modern city with tremendous development and is gay friendly. It’s all very good, but if you look out of the villa's window for a moment, you will be able to see all the horrible things that the villa's owners have done to their neighbors."

So let's talk about the neighbors. The neighbors in Gaza don’t accept the State of Israel as an existing entity and fire missiles at a civilian population. Even if we reach a reconciliation with the Palestinian Authority, what kind of dialogue can we have with Hamas?

"Honestly, I have no idea and it’s not my job to tell Israel what to do. Israel has at least a key role in the situation that has been created. Please remember who supported Hamas at its inception in 1984. The Israelis have trapped themselves in a situation in which the chance of finding a solution is very slim. Why do I have to be the one to explain to Israel how to get out of the mess it created? It’s not my problem."

None of this is your problem. No one invited you to interfere.

"I am a small fly in a huge movement which is waking up. That's why you are interviewing me. I am fighting what I perceive as very serious injustice and for the Palestinians' basic rights."

And what about the Israelis' basic rights? Why haven’t you protested against Hamas, which according to the UN reports you rely on when you criticize Israel, has committed serious war crimes?

"I was actually against Hamas in the most serious manner, for example in the way they treat women. But the key interest as far as we are concerned is Israel. It's the aggressor, it's the big problem, not the Palestinians who are on the defensive.

"The solidarity with Israel in the entire world is sharply deteriorating. I believe that it indisputable. The US is also increasingly headed in that direction, and even in Jewish communities there are more and more activists joining the boycott of Israel. It may take 20 years, it may happen suddenly, but I have no doubt that it will eventually happen.

"The fact is that the Israeli intelligence is now setting up a special department which will focus on the war on BDS and invest millions in this battle. They also recognize the danger in this phenomenon and the need to do something. These steps will not help Israel in any way of course. The processes today are very reminiscent of the campaign against the apartheid regime in South Africa, a campaign which suppressed that horrible racist regime more than anything else."

Who is funding you?

"We are not funded by anyone. All of us, including the lawyers representing us, work for free. We have all sacrificed a lot for our activity and are living in very difficult conditions financially. I am not complaining, just stating a fact. During my summer vacations in the south of France, I sleep in a sleeping bag on the beach because I can’t afford a hotel.

"And even if we did have funding, I am unprepared to receive funding from these horrible Arab states - neither from Iran, nor from Egypt or Qatar or Saudi Arabia. There is no way I will go anywhere near their money."

In the meantime, van der Linde and his friends are continuing to harass the Dutch government in different ways in order to understand what it is actually doing, as it claims, to help the Palestinians. "When you review the documents, you discover the truth - nothing," he says.

And now comes the next campaign: "The European Union has decided to label products from the settlements, but what's the logic in that? Let's assume that we want to pressure (Russian President Vladimir) Putin to withdraw from Crimea. Would it be right to label products from Crimea? Will it make any difference to Moscow? Of course not. We have to focus on products from Moscow, and the same applies to Israel - the target should be products from Tel Aviv."

In other words, label any product arriving from Israel?

"Why label? Boycott completely."
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The video shows the soldiers pushing the photographers and smashing their cameras on the road. IDF: 'Disciplinary measures will be taken.'

IDF soldiers were caught on film apparently breaking a camera and attacking photo journalists during clashes in the West Bank village of Bet Furik on Friday.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4704215,00.html

AFP journalists 'attacked by Israeli soldiers'

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Op zaterdag 26 september 2015 12:09 schreef Gerolsteiner het volgende:
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Upon his return to the Netherlands, van der Linde began publishing opinion articles in Dutch newspapers, and quickly formed a new world-view and profession, with which he signs the emails coming out of the MacBook Pro he carries wherever he goes - "Activist." He is referring to something deeper than the actual word - an activist in the sense of a person who works for goals and ideologies, almost always against the establishment. Any establishment.

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Op zaterdag 26 september 2015 12:06 schreef jamesdeen het volgende:

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"Whatever."

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Mahmoud Abbas, Palestinian Authority President, Says He’s No Longer Bound by Oslo Accords
Demonstrating a new level of tension with Israel, President Mahmoud Abbas of the Palestinian Authority declared Wednesday that it was no longer bound by the 1995 Oslo Accords that formed the basis for a two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict (New York Times).

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Egypt floods Gaza tunnels used for smuggling
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The Egyptian army has begun to pump water from the Mediterranean Sea into underground smuggling tunnels connecting Sinai with the besieged Gaza Strip, security officials and witnesses say.
Inside Story - Buffer or barrier to Egypt-Gaza relations?

The operation on Friday aimed to end smuggling into the Palestinian territory, security officials told the DPA news agency.

Gaza, administered by the Hamas movement, remains under a tight military blockade imposed by Israel and Egypt.

The government in Cairo last year began to destroy hundreds of homes on the Egyptian side of Rafah, which straddles both Sinai and Gaza.

The tunnels to Gaza are used to smuggle goods, such as clothing and other products, as well as weapons.

The structures have frequently been targeted by both the Israeli and Egyptian militaries. The Israeli army says the tunnels are used to supply armed factions in Gaza with weapons, and the Egyptians claim they are used by Sinai-based armed groups.

Egypt is tackling a rebellion by fighters from the Sinai Province group, which is affiliated with the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant.

Cairo accuses Hamas of meddling in its affairs and supporting former President Mohamed Morsi, who was overthrown by the military, led by current leader Abdel Fattah el-Sisi in 2013.

Hamas shares the same ideological origins as Morsi's Muslim Brotherhood, which was designated as a terrorist organisation after his overthrow.

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News_Executive twitterde op donderdag 01-10-2015 om 20:17:40 BREAKING: 2 Israelis injured 1 critically and 1 seriously after Palestinian terrorist opened fire on their car near Itamar #Israel reageer retweet

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News_Executive twitterde op donderdag 01-10-2015 om 20:24:47 UPDATE: 2 killed, Both killed are parents, kids in the car were not injured. #Israel #Terrorattack reageer retweet

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News_Executive twitterde op donderdag 01-10-2015 om 20:40:52 UPDATE: Massive #IDF search underway for the terrorist who killed both parents, all 4 kids were rescued uninjured under hail of bullets reageer retweet

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AlArabiya_Eng twitterde op donderdag 01-10-2015 om 22:13:26 BREAKING: #Israeli army declares south of #Nablus a military zone. #Breaking reageer retweet

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AlArabiya_Eng twitterde op donderdag 01-10-2015 om 22:14:47 BREAKING: Dozens of #Israeli #settlers attack #Palestinian homes in Nablus' southern villages, Al Arabiya reports reageer retweet

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Op donderdag 1 oktober 2015 23:11 schreef Pinkelotjeblauw het volgende:
Veel succes voor de settlers. Leef je maar effe helemaal uit op dat geteisem. Ouders in het bijzijn van hun kinderen vermoorden gaat te ver. Aktie vraagt reaktie.

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Op zaterdag 3 oktober 2015 11:21 schreef Toga het volgende:

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Mij valt de algehele radiostilte in Nederland op over deze haatmoord, stel je dit geval eens andersom voor...
Hoewel ik vind dat de settlers een groot risico nemer daar te gaan wonen, neemt niet weg dat je je als "autochtoon" hebt te gedragen.

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Op zaterdag 3 oktober 2015 11:30 schreef Gerolsteiner het volgende:

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Was wel in het nieuws hoor, zag het op het NOS journaal.

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Op zaterdag 3 oktober 2015 11:21 schreef Toga het volgende:

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Mij valt de algehele radiostilte in Nederland op over deze haatmoord, stel je dit geval eens andersom voor...
Hoewel ik vind dat de settlers een groot risico nemer daar te gaan wonen, neemt niet weg dat je je als "autochtoon" hebt te gedragen.

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Op zaterdag 26 september 2015 12:09 schreef Gerolsteiner het volgende:
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De Israëlische premier Benjamin Netanyahu zweert 'keihard' op te treden tegen 'Palestijnse Islamitische terreur' nadat in een week tijd vier Israëliërs zijn omgekomen bij twee verschillende aanvallen en tiener bij een derde incident gewond is geraakt.

Israël heeft de Oude Stad van Jeruzalem zondag volledig afgesloten voor alle Palestijnen die daar niet wonen, na twee steekpartijen in het weekeinde. Alleen Israëli's, toeristen en mensen die er wonen of werken mogen het gebied nog in. Vanwege enkele Joodse feestdagen is het momenteel extra druk in de Oude Stad. Zowel de joden als de moslims beschouwen de Tempelberg in de Oude Stad als heilige grond.

Bij de eerste steekpartij zaterdagavond stak een wild met een mes om zich heen zwaaiende Palestijnse tiener een 21-jarige dienstplichtige Israëliër dood. De Israëliër was met zijn vrouw en 2-jarig kind aan het wandelen in de Oude Stad. De vrouw raakte ernstig gewond, het kind licht. Een nabij wonende rabbijn kwam op het rumoer af om in te grijpen en werd ook doodgestoken.

Adele Banita, de gewonde vrouw, zei tegen Israëlische media dat veel Arabische omstanders lachten toen eerst haar man Aharon en vervolgens zijzelf werd gestoken. Omstanders 'spuugden naar me en sloegen me in mijn gezicht, terwijl het mes nog in mijn lichaam stak', zei ze. Het gezin woont in een ultra-orthodoxe nederzetting op de Westoever.

Het incident eindigde met een schietpartij, waarbij de dader om het leven is gekomen. Volgens de Israëlische politie was hij lid van Islamitische Jihad. De organisatie had het op haar website over een 'heldhaftige aanval' in reactie op 'voortdurende zionistische agressie' op voor moslims heilige plekken.

De 19-jarige dader, Muhannad Halabi, had op zijn Facebookpagina een boodschap achtergelaten met de tekst: 'Wat gebeurt er met onze heilige plekken? Wat gebeurt er met onze moeders en zusters in de Al-Aqsamoskee? Wij zijn geen mensen die vernedering accepteren. Onze mensen zullen in opstand komen.'

Bij de steekpartij zondagochtend in de Oude Stad werd een 15-jarige Isräelische jongen gestoken door een 21-jarige Palestijn. Op videobeelden is te zien hoe burgers de vluchtende dader achtervolgen. 'Schiet hem neer!', roepen ze wanneer de politie arriveert. Daarop wordt de Palestijn dodelijk getroffen door politiekogels.

Op de Westelijke Jordaanoever is het Israëlische leger zondag ogenblikkelijk in actie gekomen, door met aanzienlijk geweld veel arrestaties te verrichten. Bij gewelddadig Palestijns protest daartegen in de stad Jenin liepen volgens bronnen in het ziekenhuis 22 Palestijnen kogelwonden op.