Israëlische soldaat in ruil voor 1027 Palestijnen

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Op zaterdag 15 oktober 2011 16:41 schreef sp3c het volgende:
hmz, ik merk dat dat C_N gedoe iets uit het andere topic is

never mind

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Op zaterdag 15 oktober 2011 14:50 schreef SpecialK het volgende:
Eens met Monidique. Je kan veel positiefs en negatiefs over Israël verkondigen maar het is alles behalve een westers land.

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Op zaterdag 15 oktober 2011 18:22 schreef Cyclonis het volgende:

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Het is een land waar je niet opgepakt wordt voor je geloofsovertuiging (het wemelt er van de moslims), waar vrouwen gelijke rechten hebben, waar homofilie niet illegaal is, waar je je mening vrij mag verkondigen, waar het ok is om een ander volk te onderdrukken zolang je het politiek goed kan verkopen.

Hmm, welke belangrijke westerse eigenschappen missen er nog?

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Pursuant to the Government of Israel's decision from October 11, 2011, to approve the proceedings of the agreement for the liberation of abducted soldier Gilad Shalit, held by Hamas, prisoners will be released as detailed in the following list:

Prisoners number 1 to 131 on the list will return to their home in the Gaza Strip.

Prisoners 132 to 186 will return to their home in Judea & Samaria

or in East Jerusalem.

Prisoners 187 to 241 will return to their home in Judea & Samaria

or in East Jerusalem subject to restrictions, as specified in the

agreement.

Prisoners 242 to 281 will be sent abroad.

Prisoners 282 to 299 will be sent to the Gaza Strip for three years.

Prisoners 300 to 444 will be sent to the Gaza Strip.

Prisoners 445 to 450 will return to their home in Israel.

Prisoners (female) 451 to 477 will return to their home in Judea & Samaria, in the

Gaza Strip and in East Jerusalem, except prisoner 473, who will be sent

to Jordan, and prisoner 474, who will be sent to the Gaza Strip.

The Ministry of Justice will operate an information center as of Sunday, October 16, 2011, and until the date of execution of the agreement, from 8:00 AM to 10:00 PM,

where information regarding prisoners on the list can be obtained and applications to the MOJ Director General can be submitted.

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The 477 prisoners to be released as part of the first stage of the Shalit deal were given official notice on their release from Israel's Prison Service on Sunday morning.

The prisoners will undergo medical examinations throughout the morning hours before being assembeled at the Ketziot and Hasharon prisons. The Prison Service said the prisoners did not express any sign of happiness at the news of their impending release.

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Jerusalemite Arnold Roth, who lost his daughter, Malki, in the 2001 Jerusalem Sbarro Restaurant bombing , has begun a personal move in an attempt to petition the Ministry of Justice to exclude female terrorist Ahlam Tamimi from the list of security prisoners to be exchanged.

“We urgently call on Israel's Ministry of Justice to remove Ahlam Tamimi from the list of prisoners to be released in exchange for the return of Gilad Shalit.
Tamimi was sentenced to 16 consecutive life terms in jail for her involvement in the terrorist attack on the Sbarro pizza restaurant in Jerusalem in August 2001 that claimed the lives of 16 innocent victims, among them many Jewish children.
Tamimi has never expressed remorse and told reporters in 2006, "I'm not sorry for what I did. I will get out of prison and I refuse to recognize Israel's existence. Discussions will only take place after Israel recognizes that this is Islamic land."
If released, Tamimi will have her life to live, despite having been sentenced in a court of law after a full and proper trial to sixteen consecutive life sentences. The thought that she will become a wife and mother, be honored by her community and others, and become an inspiration to young formative minds in the Arab world is horrifying and unacceptable.
It is unfathomable that such a proud and unrepentant terrorist be granted freedom under any circumstances.”

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Op zaterdag 15 oktober 2011 18:35 schreef Clan het volgende:

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-Waar Christenen en Moslims als tweederangs burgers worden behandeld
-Waar protest tegen de staat verboden is ( protestliederen etc verboden )
-Waar joodse vrouwen geen rechtspersonen zijn en dus geen gelijke rechten hebben.
-Waar mannen en vrouwen beiden verplicht in militaire dienst moeten.

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Supreme Court to deliberate on petition to annul Shalit deal
Published: 10.16.11, 11:31 / Israel News

The Supreme Court is to set to hold a hearing on Monday at noon over a petition filed by the Almagor Terror Victims Association to annul the Shalit deal, Ynet has learned. The organization also petitioned the court to extend the period of time that the Justice Ministry had given the public to voice their objections to

The petition is to be examined by a panel three judges.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4135395,00.html

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Op zondag 16 oktober 2011 13:09 schreef Cyclonis het volgende:

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1) Praktische maatregel. Bovendien is de discriminatie niet zodanig dat er een vorm van wetteloosheid ontstaat.
2) Afgelopen weken genoeg geprotesteerd in Israel, ik heb nog niks gehoord van geloste schoten o.i.d.

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3) Details in hoe de staatsgodsdienst wordt aangepakt (voornamelijk gerelateerd tot huwelijk). Uiteindelijk kunnen vrouwen daar gewoon staatshoofd worden, eigen bedrijven starten, bedrijfsleider worden, volksvertegenwoordigers, en feitelijk alles wat mannen ook kunnen worden.

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4) Dat maakt je geen niet-westers land. Switzerland, Noorwegen en Oostenrijk hebben ook nog dienstplicht.

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Op zondag 16 oktober 2011 12:51 schreef C_N het volgende:
een petition is geplaatst bij de vader van Malki roth.die om kwam bij de sbaro bomming in jerusalem.
om de handlanger Ahlam Tamimi niet vrij te laten met de gevangenen ruil van Gilat shalit.
hier volgd de petition van Arnold Roth,naar het Ministry of Justice.

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Ahlam Tamimi, number 473 op de lijst, word dinsdag gedeporteerd naar jordanie , waar ze ook geboren is.

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Op zaterdag 15 oktober 2011 14:50 schreef SpecialK het volgende:
Eens met Monidique. Je kan veel positiefs en negatiefs over Israël verkondigen maar het is alles behalve een westers land.

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Op zondag 16 oktober 2011 07:31 schreef C_N het volgende:
ok de gevangenen lijst gekregen zoals gezegt toe gestuurd en die is als volgd

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http://www.shabas.gov.il/(...)isoners+15.10.11.htm

en als je de lijst ziet ben ik blij dat de controllen posten rond die plaatsen er nog zijn in judea en samaria

wand ze komen wel allemaal uit de zelfde tereur plaatsen .

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Op zondag 16 oktober 2011 14:05 schreef Monidique het volgende:

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En met Judea en Samaria bedoel je de bezette Westelijke Jordaanoever, toch? Oké.

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Brother of Ramallah lynch victim: Barak lied to me
Brother of Vadim Norzich slams prisoner exchange that will include the release of Abed Alaziz Salaha who was documented in the horrific photo with his hands covered in blood
Aviel Magnezi
Published: 10.16.11, 14:51 / Israel News

"The government lied to all the bereaved families. They promised the bereaved parents that the terrorists would never get out. Ehud Barak made a personal promise to me that this terrorist would never see the light of day. I knew that day that he had lied to me. I told everyone that it was only a matter of time before the next deal. I saw the Goldwasser and Regev deal and I knew that it was only a matter of time before the murderers of my brother (are released)."

The painful monologue above belongs to Michael Norzich, brother of Vadim, who was murdered by a mob in Ramallah in the year 2000. Michael said that no one called to tell him that one of the murderers of his brother is included in the list of 477 prisoners who will be released as part of the first phase of the Gilad Shalit prisoner exchange deal.

Abed Alaziz Salaha, who was photographed in the horrific photo with his hands covered with blood in what has become the symbol of the second intifada, was sentenced to life in prison but is expected to be released on Tuesday.


Abed Alaziz Salaha waves his blood-covered hands after Ramallah lynch (Photo: Imagebank/AFP)

"The pain is stronger today," Michael told Ynet. "Not because of the deal itself but because of the way it is carried out. It is not a deal but a major loss. It is a twisted deal. You don't release at any cost. There is a price. You cannot give it all."

On the one hand, the bereaved brother says, the family is happy for the parents and siblings who will see their son Gilad Shalit come home. "On the other hand, our family is angry that nobody cared about our sensitivity. No one (in the government) experienced our pain," he said.

Latest stories on Shalit deal:
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Op-ed: Victims murdered again

Michael does not feel any pity for the families of the Palestinian prisoners. "They are all the devil's children. I don’t feel sorry for them and not for the tears of their mothers. A mother that sends her child to blow up?!"


The Ramallah lynch took place on October 12, 2000, when a mob of Palestinians murdered two IDF soldiers, Vadim Norzich and Yossi Avrahami, and mutilated their bodies.

The lynch occurred at the start of the al-Aqsa Intifada and despite attempts by the Palestinian Authority to erase any documentation of the brutal murder, the horrific images reached every corner of the world and sent shockwaves in Israel.

Salaha, 30, from the village of Dir Jarid near Ramallah, was arrested in 2001 and admitted that he was part of the mob that stormed the police station, and that he strangled one of the soldiers while the others beat him.

When he saw that his hands were covered with the soldiers' blood, he went to the window to proudly show his hands to the mob below.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4135510,00.html

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Op zondag 16 oktober 2011 15:38 schreef C_N het volgende:

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More bereaved families fight Shalit deal
Families of terror victims motion court to thwart release of terrorists responsible for their loved ones' deaths
Aviad Glickman
Published: 10.16.11, 14:14 / Israel News

While the Israel Prison Service transported busloads of Palestinian inmates to the Ketziot and Hasharon prisons ahead of their release, families who lost loved ones in terror attacks continued to petition the nation's courts, seeking to derail the deal that is about to set terrorists free.

The prisoner swap agreement, which Israel signed with Hamas, calls for the release of 1,027 Palestinian prisoners in exchange for captive IDF soldier Gilad Shalit.

Related stories:
Bereaved families: Israel capitulating to terrorism
Bereaved families petition High Court against Shalit deal
Shalit deal: Prisoners begin transfer process

Surviving members of the Schijveschuurder family, who lost five relatives in a 2001 suicide bombing of a Jerusalem Sbarro branch, have filed a petition with the High Court of Justice to prevent the release of Ahlam Tamimi, an accomplice who drove the terrorist to the scene of the attack.

"Asked whether she regrets the act, Ahlam Tamimi told an Israeli reporter that she was saddened that she could not kill more than 15 Jews," the petition said.



Ahlam Tamimi (Photo: Dan Balilty)

Moreover, the family demanded the State "set clear criteria for the release of security inmates included in the capitulation deal."

"Tamimi, a cold-blooded killer, continues to tell anyone who would listen that she will return to terrorism, and that her release puts Jews in danger both in Israel and abroad," the family added. "The decision to free her is extremely unreasonable. The government does not have the legitimacy to release murder convicts who are sentenced to life terms."

Shvuel Schijveschuurder, whose parents and siblings were killed in the bombing, was arrested on Thursday for vandalizing a memorial for Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin in an act of reprisal against the impending prisoner swap.

'Deal brings Israel to its knees'
Also on Sunday, Ronit Tamari, a Jerusalem resident, petitioned the High Court to remove the 29 prisoners from the list of convicts who are to be freed in the deal. Among the 29 are Abed Amro, a member of the terrorist cell that was behind a bombing of Jerusalem's Café Hillel in 2003, and Jihad Yaghmur, who is responsible for Nachshon Wachsman's abduction and murder.


Prisoners bussed south ahead of release (Photo: Hagay Aharon)

Tamari, a self-described "concerned citizen," slammed the government for reckless behavior.

"The release of 1,027 terrorists, most of whom are the most abominable killers the justice system has ever seen, is disproportionate," she wrote. "This deal brings Israel to its knees before an extremist terror organization. It means a defeat for Israel in its war on terror."

Tamari demanded the government explain why it decided to release Palestinian terrorists "with much blood on their hands," and how it intends to protect its citizens from acts of terror perpetrated by the convicted murderers.

Ynet has learned that the High Court of Justice has scheduled a hearing for Monday to discuss the Almagor Terror Victims Association's petition to annul the Shalit deal. The organization has also asked the court to extend the period of time that the Justice Ministry has given the public to voice their objections to the deal.



Protest against deal in front of president's home (Photo: Gil Yohanan)

The petition is to be examined by a panel of three judges.

Families sue terrorists
Meanwhile, families of victims of a Haifa bus bombing filed a suit with the Haifa District Court against three men involved in the terror attack, who are set to be released as part of the Shalit deal. The Kerman and Tzur families are motioning for a hold-departure order as well as NIS 2.25 (roughly $610,000) million in compensation.

Tal Kerman, 18 and Asaf Tzur, 17 were killed in a suicide bombing on the 37 bus line in Haifa in 2003. A total of 17 people were killed in the attack and dozens were wounded. The three men behind the attack were sentenced to 17 consecutive life sentences.

Ron Kerman and Yossi Tzur, the fathers of the two victims, filed a damages claim against the planners of the attack as well as a motion for a hold-departure order. The damages claim stated that the deaths left the families with deep mental scars to the point of disability.


The bereaved families stressed that after the terrorists are released they will no longer be able to sue them or even trace them. "They are up for release solely because their friends abducted Shalit who served as a bargaining chip," the claim stated.

Yossi Tzur said Sunday that the families have yet to seek legal action against the three as they did not believe they would be released so soon, and seeing as most such lawsuits fail to achieve anything.http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4135479,00.html

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Op zondag 16 oktober 2011 15:47 schreef C_N het volgende:
judea en samaria

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Op zondag 16 oktober 2011 15:48 schreef Monidique het volgende:

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Bezet Palestina, de bezette Westelijke Jordaanoever. Inderdaad.

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Ron Arad negotiator comes out against Shalit deal
Exactly 25 years since IAF navigator fell captive, senior official says: 'When I look at the future, which could bring about major problems, I think the (Shalit) deal should have been rejected even if his fate would be similar to that of Ron Arad'
Roi Mandel
Published: 10.16.11, 15:22 / Israel News

"Not a day goes by in which I don't think about Ron Arad, especially during these days. I think to myself what have I not done that could have been done to bring him home. But when I look at the future, which could bring about major problems, I think the (Shalit) deal should have been rejected even if his fate would be similar to that of Ron Arad."

The above conclusion was made by a senior defense official who was involved in the state's missing and captive soldiers issue for an extended period of time and had a central role in the contacts to secure the release of captive IAF navigator Ron Arad.


Watch video showing Gilad turning into Ron Arad

Exactly 25 years since Arad was captured in Lebanon and days before the implementation of the Shalit prisoner exchange deal, the senior official tells Ynet about the heavy price the state has to pay for the return of Gilad Shalit.

For extensive coverage of the Shalit deal, click here


"We could have paid the price back then and maybe Ron Arad would have come home," he says. "When Yitzhak Rabin believed that Amal's price should have been questioned, I thought we should have accepted the offer and pay the price."

However, in the years that passed, the senior official changed his mind. "Today I have much experience from other deals I have been involved in, and perhaps Rabin was right because reality led to kidnappings and more extortion. One thing's for sure – we should have changed the rules back then – to determine an unequivocal, uncompromising position and then perhaps we would not be where we are today."

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The official said that the attempt to improve our positioning resulted in Arad's disappearance. "I have witnessed the effect the Jibril prisoner exchange deal had on Rabin – if it weren’t for Jibril, Ron would be here, but Rabin refused to accept those terms. The terms, by the way, were far less dramatic than the current framework of the Shalit deal. I'd like to believe that with the terms offered back then, Ron Arad could have been released."

According to the official, "When I dealt with the Arad case, he was in the hands of Nabih Berri, head of the Amal movement. The group's security officer Mustafa Dirani deserted and took Ron Arad with him and moved from Beirut to the Beqaa Valley. From there the Iranians took him and that was the end of it. I don't know if he died a natural death or has been killed."

The official is certain that the Ron Arad case was on the prime minister's mind when he decided to accept the Shalit deal. "I have no doubt that Arad was in the prime minister's thoughts and on his conscience. Ron Arad is a national trauma and I understand its significance. Considering the demands that have been there from the onset, the prime minister did not get a bad deal. But still, it is an opening to major problems in the future."


Ron Arad activists urge his return (Photo: Haim Tzach)

The official referred to the differences between the present deal to the one that was offered to Rabin and Shamir to release Arad – an offer they ended up rejecting. "In both cases, I believe the Iranians were involved. I had estimated that as long as Khaled Mashaal represents Hamas and he is backed by the Iranians while operating out of Syria, there would not be a deal because the Iranians are not interested in a solution but only want to agonize us. Once Mashaal does not rule at the top, the Syrians are in trouble and the Iranians are losing their influence, the path was paved for a deal."

Despite the guilty conscience over the fact that Ron Arad disappeared while in captivity, the official says he objects to the current deal. "Everyone says that this is the price we have to pay, but with all due respect, I am not willing to pay for one what may result in another attack. The prospects of that happening are high. I am sorry to say this but we must think about the future, think about tomorrow. The Shin Bet chief says he could handle it? He's the one that will have to deal with reality."


The official recently appeared before the Shamgar Committee that was established to examine the subject of prisoner exchanges. "I told them that we needed to open a new page, to change the rules of the game. The Shalit deal has been signed, I am happy it's over and that Gilad is coming home because it was a trauma for all of us, but we cannot live like this. We must know that from now on, whenever we face such a dilemma, we will know that there is a clear framework that does not leave room for further extortion."

On Tuesday, Noam Shalit chose to begin his statement after the cabinet approved the deal that would bring his son back with a mention of Ron Arad. "Today, the Arad family marked 25 years since Ron Arad was captured and our happiness is mixed with the Arad family's sadness for not seeing Ron come home."

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Police chief orders officers to protect Shalit family's privacy
Published: 10.16.11, 15:34 / Israel News

Police Commissioner Yohanan Danino has instructed the northern district's officers to use any means necessary to protect the privacy of the Shalit family and to preserve public order in their hometown, Mitzpe Hila.

"This is a complicated and sensitive operation," Danino said of the circumstances surrounding the prisoner swap deal that aims to bring home captive soldier IDF Gilad Shalit. "It must be carried out in the best way possible, with maximal assistance to the authorities and security forces." (Omri

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Op zondag 16 oktober 2011 13:57 schreef Stephen_Dedalus het volgende:

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Beetje jammer dat veel mensen denken dat het hier alleen maar om stenengooiers gaat terwijl er zulke monsters tussen zitten.

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Op zondag 16 oktober 2011 16:44 schreef sp3c het volgende:

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"alleen maar stenengooiers" heb ik nog niet langs zien komen

het meerendeel stenengooiers ... maar ik geef toe dat ik nu figuren langs zie komen waarvan ik nooit verwacht had dat Israel ze vrij zou laten

snap de groeiende oppositie tegen de deal dan ook best

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Shalit family appeals to High Court: Don't change deal
Published: 10.16.11, 16:35 / Israel News

The Shalit family has requested permission from the High Court of Justice to respond to the petitions filed against the prisoner exchange deal that would see their son released from Hamas captivity.

In the petition, the Shalits claimed that they "identify with the pain of the terror victims' families, but ask the court not to make any amendments or delay the execution of the deal

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3rd petition against Shalit deal
Published: 10.16.11, 16:58 / Israel News

Attorney Ze'ev Dasberg from the judicial institute for terror research, whose sister and brother in law Effi and Yaron Unger were murdered in a terror attack near Kfar Menachem in 1996 filed an additional petition in the high Court, the third of its kind against the Shalit

deal.

In the petition Dasberg claims that according to law, the President does not have the authority to offer a collective pardon, unlike his authority to pardon prisoners individually. The petition further claimed that international law obliges the State to take effective deterrence measures and in his opinion, this deal goes against that law due to the release of the terrorists.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4135633,00.html

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Hamas: Deal signed in 2 seperate documents
Published: 10.16.11, 16:27 / Israel News

Hamas' military wing Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades spokesperson Abu Obeida said that the prisoners exchange deal between Israel and Hamas was signed in two separate documents – one between Egypt and Hamas, and another one between Egypt and Israel.

According to Abu Obeida, during the indirect negotiations, Shin Bet Chief Yoram Cohen asked twice to meet with the head of the Qassam Brigades' negotiations team Ahmad Jabari, but was denied.

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Bereaved families: State dancing in our blood
Terror victims' parents shocked to learn from media that their loved one's murderer included in list of prisoners to be released in Shalit deal
Nir (Shoko) Cohen
Latest Update: 10.16.11, 23:36 / Israel News

"What they did to us is like a slap in the face. We need to hear about the terrorist who killed our daughter being released from the media? Everyone is happy and dancing in our blood and with all due respect to Gilad's smiling mother, there are hundreds of parents whose heart is bleeding today."

Harsh words from Haim Karisi who lost his daughter Yasmin in the Azor Junction terror attack 11 years ago. On Sunday he was finding it hard to bear the insult as he discovered that Khalil Mohammed Abu Ulbah, the murderer who cost him his daughter, was one of the 477 prisoners set to be released in the first phase of the Shalit deal.

Related stories
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Shalits to High Court: Don't change deal
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Abu Ulbah was sentenced to eight consecutive life sentences following the February 14 terror attack in 2001 in which he used a bus to run over a group of female soldiers near the Azor Junction. Eight died in the attack and 26 were wounded. Yasmin Karisi was one of those who did not survive.

"We sent our girl to the army, just like they sent Gilad. My girl never made it back and today I feel humiliated, what did we ask for? For them to show a little sensitivity? Cooperation?


Scene of Azor Junction terror attack (Photo: Dedi Lipshitz)

"For someone to pick up the phone and say: 'The price is heavy but we decided to release them'. This is a proof of inadequacy for the State of Israel if this is how they act towards the bereaved families."

Another soldier killed in the same attack was Kochava (Kochi) Polanski. "This morning I woke up and I saw it in the newspaper and felt like someone gave me a slap in the face", recalls Tanya Polanski, Kochi's mother, of the moment she discovered abu-Ulbah was being released.

For extensive coverage of the Shalit deal, click here

"A year or two ago when the Shalit deal fell through they made us a promise that before it would be published in the media – they would tell us who was being released and who wasn't."

The anger over the way the State conducted itself doesn't just end with their attitude towards the bereaved families. The bereaved parents and parents of those injured in the terror attacks are also critical of the legal process and the heavy price Israel has agreed to pay.


"All these petitions to the High Court are lip service," claimed Zion Yunesi, father of Yasmin Yunesi who was critically wounded in the terror attack.

"Apparently we aren't even a party in the matter. No one is asking us. They decided on the list, signed and that's it. The names are only published at the last minute and it's clear why," he said.

'Indescribable physical and emotional pain'
Yet the person expressing the most sympathy over the release of Shalit is victim Sigal Yunesi.

"It's a complex issue but I'm comforted by the fact that an abducted soldier will return to Israel after suffering for five years. Following the attack I became religious and now believe this is a divine move.

"It hurts that the terrorist who killed my friends and injured me is being released after such a short time, but I'm comforted by the fact that we're saving a life.

"I understand the bereaved families but we need to understand that at the end of the day it's a package deal. This week, God willing, a soldier will come back home alive. I would not want to be in his place."

Written promises
Another parent angered by the prisoner exchange deal is Ze'ev Rapp, father of Helena Rapp who was murdered by a terrorist in Bat Yam. Rapp was shocked to discover his daughter's murderer, Fuad Amrin, on the list of names of terrorists set to be released in the deal. On Sunday evening he angrily told Ynet that he heard about the release through the media.

"The prime minister comes and dumps this issue on us out of nowhere, that the murderer who slit open my daughter's chest with a knife and took out her heart – is being released."


Helena Rapp's parents near her memorial (Photo: Avi Mualem)

Helena Rapp was 15 and a half years old when she was murdered on the Bat Yam boardwalk on May 24 1992. She left her house at 7 am in the direction of the bus station. Amrin from took out a kitchen knife and attacked her. He stabbed her in the back and in the chest.

Ze'ev Rapp said he had received promises that his daughter's killer would never be released. "I have promises in writing from previous prime ministers, from (Ariel) Arik Sharon and Ehud Olmert," he said.

He condemned Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's actions saying: "If you do such a thing as prime minister, respect the families, let us know and then do it. Who are you to release the murderers of our children? We also have something to say."

Rapp noted that he was worried that his daughter's murderer would return to his terrorist activities: "My daughter's murderer is only 38 years old, his whole life is still ahead of him.

"He can go back and carry out more terror attacks and be released after the next kidnapper and then they will tell us again of the calculated risk that we're taking. What will the prime minister who took responsibility for the releases say then? Will he release another 1,000 terrorists?"


Meanwhile, the widow of Shalom Har-Melech, who was murdered in a 2003 terrorist attack in the settlement of Homesh, filed a compensation claim with the Jerusalem Magistrate's Court on Sunday against the five terrorists who were involved in the attack, and are slated to be released in the prisoner exchange deal.

In the lawsuit, Har-Melech's widow claimed that she suffered indescribable physical and emotional pain following the murder of her husband. The Har-Melech family is seeking a compensation of NIS 750,000 from each of the five terrorists.

In its response, the State Prosecutor's Office said that the public damage that might be caused by their request would be "ten times worse" than the damage caused to the plaintiffs.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4135711,00.html

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Op maandag 17 oktober 2011 08:07 schreef waht het volgende:
Ach, dit levert simpelweg meer werk op voor het IDF en inlichtingendiensten. Ze hebben er zojuist duizend potentiële doelwitten bij gekregen. Ze staan volledig in hun recht om terug te slaan indien dat tuig hun vroegere activiteiten weer oppakt.

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PM to bereaved families: I lost my brother, I understand your pain
Published: 10.17.11, 11:39 / Israel News

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu sent a letter to the bereaved families who lost their loved ones in terrorist attacks, explaining his decision to release 1,027 terrorists in exchange for kidnapped soldier Gilad Shalit.

"As a bereaved brother, I understand your pain. In my many deliberations throughout the negotiations, you were on my thoughts the whole time. My decision to bring Gilad home was affected by the commitment of Israel's prime minister to bring back a soldier sent on the State's behalf to defend its citizens," Netanyahu wrote.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4135917,00.html

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Poll: 79% in favor of Shalit deal
Yedioth Ahronoth-Dahaf Institute survey shows Israelis support prisoner swap despite heavy price, are happy and excited ahead of its implementation but fear its consequences. Women more supportive of deal than men
Yedioth Ahronoth
Published: 10.17.11, 09:53 / Israel News

The vast majority of Israel's citizens are in favor of the deal securing the release of kidnapped soldier Gilad Shalit in exchange for 1,027 terrorists, a public opinion poll commissioned by Yedioth Ahronoth shows.

Asked whether they were in favor of Shalit's release in exchange for 1,027 terrorists, 79% of the respondents said yes and only 14% said no.

Latest stories on Shalit deal:
Countdown to Shalit's release
Brother of Ramallah lynch victim: Barak lied to me
Palestinian symbol's sons to stay in prison
Bereaved families: State dancing in our blood

The survey was conducted on October 16 by the Dahaf Institute, headed by Mina Tzemach, among 500 people constituting a representative sample of Israel's adult population. The maximum sampling error is 4.4%.

Among male respondents, 74% support the deal and 19% oppose it, while 86% of the women support it and only 5% are against it.

For extensive coverage of the Shalit deal, click here

Sixty-five percent of the respondents believe a similar deal could have been finalized in the past, while 20% said a deal with similar conditions could not have been reached earlier.

As for Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's conduct, 49% said he gave into public pressure while 43% believe he acted like a leader.

Asked about the deal's price, 53% said the Israeli government dropped some of its principles and 20% said Hamas conceded its principles more than Israel. Twenty percent said both sides gave up on some of their principles to a similar extent.


Respondents were then asked whether they fear for the security of Israel's citizens following the prisoner release. Fifty percent admitted that they were afraid, while 48% said they trusted Israel's security forces.

Finally, respondents were asked to describe their feelings towards the implementation of the Shalit deal. Forty-four percent said they were happy, 17% said they were excited, 15% said they felt proud, 14% were concerned, 5% felt humiliated and 3% were angry.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4135847,00.html

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Op maandag 17 oktober 2011 18:09 schreef Woensdrecht het volgende:
Heel apart vind ik de israelische standpunten ten aanzien van gevangen. Ik begrijp best dat de familie (omgeving) van die jongen hem vrij wil. Maar om nou 1000 mensen (criminelen) vrij te laten voor 1 gaat dat niet een beetje erg ver ?

Ik vind het ook nogal wat om de 500-600 israeliers die blijkbaar door de eerste 450 gevangen vermoord zijn. Zomaar te vergeten en de daders vrij te laten. Ik snap ook wel dat die 500-600 dood zijn en niet meer terugkomen , maar dan alsnog.

Waarschijnlijk zal uit die 1000 vrijgelaten mensen vast wel iemand (waarschijnlijk meer als 1) een israelier doodschieten/opblazen. Dus eigenlijk krijgt Israel niks een paar doden extra waarschijnlijk en palestina krijgt 1000 onderdanen terug. Of wordt er niet zo gedacht in israel/door joden ?

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Op maandag 17 oktober 2011 23:38 schreef Capi het volgende:
Hoe kunnen het criminelen zijn als niet eens duidelijk is dat ze een eerlijk proces hebben gehad? Of is voor jullie het feit dat ze gevangen zijn genomen op een gegeven moment al genoeg om de gevolgtrekking te maken dat het dan per definitie schuldige mensen zullen zijn?

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Op maandag 17 oktober 2011 23:40 schreef C_N het volgende:

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bron

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Op maandag 17 oktober 2011 23:48 schreef Capi het volgende:

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http://www.amnesty.org/en(...)ritories/report-2011
http://www.btselem.org/ad(...)tive_detention_order

Verhoor zonder bijstand van advocaat, burgers die voor een militaire rechtbank moeten komen, administratieve detentie zonder verdere waarborgen.

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Shalit prisoner exchange underway
Gilad Shalit is coming home: First stage of Israel-Hamas prisoner swap, which will see release of 477 Palestinian prisoners in exchange for IDF solider launched, as IPS shuttles head to rendezvous points with Red Cross
Ynet reporters
Latest Update: 10.18.11, 06:07 / Israel News

Gilad Shalit is coming home: The prisoner exchange deal signaling the end of Gilad Shalit's five-year Hamas captivity began in the early hours of Tuesday morning, as the Israel Prison Service (IPS) shuttled all 477 Palestinian prisoners slated to be released as part of the first stage of the deal to their rendezvous points with Red Cross.

Click to watch live broadcast (Hebrew narration):


At 2:30 am the order for the prisoners' transfer from the Hasharon and Ketziot prisons was given. At 5 am a convoy carrying 147 prisoners left Ketziot en route to the Kerem Shalom border crossing. By 6 am, all prisoners arrived at the border crossings and are now awaiting their release expected once the transfer of Shalit to Israel is complete.

For full coverage of the Shalit exchange click here

Simultaneously, a special Prison Service convoy of buses escorted by police forces arrived at the Ofer Military Prison near Ramallah. Shortly thereafter, Red Cross vehicles arrived at the spot.

Egyptian Consulate officers arrived in Hasharon and Ktziot prisons overnight to monitor the process. The prisoners are being transported to the Kerem Shalom crossing near the Gaza border and the Beitunia crossing near Ramallah, ahead of the actual exchange.


Watch prisoners leave Ketziot Prison (Video: Reuters)

The IPS' Nachshon Prisoner Transports Unit is overseeing the convoys. The transport is being held under heavy guard, and according to Israel Radio, over 1,000 police officers have been deployed across the convoys' routes to ensure both their safety and public order.

Gilad's grandfather Zvi Shalit and his sister Hadas are making their way from Kityat Ata to the Tel Nof base escorted by police cars. Aviva and Noam Shalit are slated to arrive at the base via helicopter.

Gilad Shalit is expected to be transferred to Rafah crossing at around 6 am, where he will be handed over to the Egyptian mediators, who will transfer him to Sinai. Once in Sinai, Shalit will be placed in the IDF's custody.

Outside Hasharon Prison, six extreme right-wing activists, including Itamar Ben Gvir, tried blocking the shuttles transporting prisoners by lying down on the road in front of them. They were detained by the prison's security forces.


Convoy heads out of Ketziot Prison at dawn (Photo: Reuters)

Parallel to Shalit's release, Israel will release 450 prisoners and 27 female prisoners – 280 of whom were sentenced to multiple life terms for terror offense. The IPS shuttles will liaise with the Red Cross, which will ensure that the prisoners arrive at their destinations: Some will be allowed to return to their West Bank and Gaza Strip homes and 40 prisoners are to be expelled to Qatar and Turkey, via Egypt and Syria.

The first vehicles that left Hasharon Prison in central Israel were carrying female prisoners, most to be freed in the West Bank; and four of them, including Amna Muna, will return to Gaza, an IPS official said.

Gilad Shalit's first stop once back in Israel will be the Amitai IDF Base, where he will finally contact his family, as well as undergo a medical exam.


From there he will be flown to the Tel Nof Airbase, where he will reunite with his family for the first time in over five years.

The Air Force has arranged for special transport for the Shalits to Tel Nof, and a special "sterile zone" has been set up on the base, to ensure the family's privacy. Shalit is expected to undergo a second medical exam in Tel Nof, as well.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4136267,00.html

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Op dinsdag 18 oktober 2011 09:01 schreef erik666 het volgende:
Shalit is op dit moment nog steeds in gezelschap van hamas.

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Op dinsdag 18 oktober 2011 09:08 schreef Ronnie_bravo het volgende:
Dus de Palestijnen hebben de maat gezet: 1 Israelier is net zoveel waard als meer dan 1000 Palestijnen. Weten we dat ook weer.

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Op dinsdag 18 oktober 2011 09:01 schreef SicSicSics het volgende:
Zijn de Palestijnen nou niet zelf een beetje debet aan hun eigen dehumanisering.

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Ze geven nu zelf aan dat 1 Israëlisch leven 1027 Palestijnse levens waard is. Ze klappen er zelfs voor in hun handen. En de volgende keer dat er als vergelding voor de dood van 1 Israëli 20 Palestijnen omkomen is de Gaza strook weer te klein.

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Op dinsdag 18 oktober 2011 09:16 schreef C_N het volgende:

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dat doen ze al jaren

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Palestijnse vrouwen weigeren terugkeer naar Gaza

dinsdag 18 oktober 2011 10:07

Twee Palestijnse vrouwen die door Israël worden vrijgelaten in het kader van de ruil voor militair Gilad Shalit, hebben de vrijlating geweigerd. De vrouwen willen niet terug naar de Gazastrook.

Palestijnen in Gaza-stad vieren feest vanwege de vrijlating

Dat meldt Al Jazeera.

Waarom de vrouwen vrijlating weigeren, is niet bekend. De twee zorgen met hun weigering voor vertraging bij de gevangenenruil, die op dit moment in volle gang is.

Duizend Palestijnen
Bussen met Palestijnen worden naar de Westelijke Jordaanoever en Egypte gebracht. Egyptische functionarissen en medewerkers van het Rode Kruis vangen de gevangenen op. Van daaruit kunnen de vrijgelaten gevangenen terugkeren naar Gaza.

Israël laat 1.027 Palestijnse gevangenen vrij in ruil voor militair Gilad Shalit. Hij werd vijf jaar geleden gevangengenomen door Hamasstrijders. Dinsdag worden 477 gevangenen vrijgelaten. De anderen komen als Shalit veilig is teruggekeerd in Israël. Hij is al aangekomen in Egypte.

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Op dinsdag 18 oktober 2011 10:26 schreef deedeetee het volgende:

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bron: elsevier

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Op dinsdag 18 oktober 2011 10:28 schreef KoosVogels het volgende:

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Gek he? Net of het een feest is in Gaza.

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Op dinsdag 18 oktober 2011 10:30 schreef deedeetee het volgende:

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Tsja het is wel hun eigen feestje hé ?

Maar eerst ff afwachten waarom de dames niet terug willen.....

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Op dinsdag 18 oktober 2011 10:32 schreef KoosVogels het volgende:

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Het schijnt dat je in Gaza niet echt veel bewegingsvrijheid hebt en het wil nog wel eens voorkomen dat je wordt beschoten door je Israelische buren. Niet echt een plek om naar terug te verlangen.

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Op dinsdag 18 oktober 2011 10:38 schreef deedeetee het volgende:

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Het is wat ze er zelf van gemaakt hebben door de jaren heen.....

Ze hadden de bijbel beter moeten lezen : wie wind zaait, zal storm oogsten.

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Op dinsdag 18 oktober 2011 10:19 schreef erik666 het volgende:
Gilad heeft trouwens vloeiend arabisch leren spreken in de gevangenis. Hoop trouwens niet dat hij last heeft van het Stockholm syndroom, nou dat zal wel niet.

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Op dinsdag 18 oktober 2011 10:32 schreef KoosVogels het volgende:

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Het schijnt dat je in Gaza niet echt veel bewegingsvrijheid hebt en het wil nog wel eens voorkomen dat je wordt beschoten door je Israelische buren. Niet echt een plek om naar terug te verlangen.

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Op dinsdag 18 oktober 2011 10:41 schreef KoosVogels het volgende:

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Onschuldige burgers hebben het er zelf naar gemaakt?

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Leah Schijveschuurder verloor 10 jaar geleden haar vader, moeder, twee zusjes en een broertje bij een aanslag op een pizzeria in Jeruzalem. De vrouwelijke planner van deze aanslag komt vandaag ook vrij.

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Op dinsdag 18 oktober 2011 11:17 schreef deedeetee het volgende:

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Ja hoor ze zijn daar o zó onschuldig, net als die luitjes die nu terug mogen om opnieuw * de onschuldige * te gaan spelen.
Nee natuurlijk zijn het daar niet allemaal terroristen maar de mensen daar, of hun ouders, hebben er wel een zooitje van gemaakt.
Dan hadden ze de terroristen maar niet zo gemakkelijk vrij spel moeten geven. Eerst was het * o fijn dat jullie dit ff voor ons gaan opknappen * en nu is het jammeren dat het resultaat van al dat geweld zo tegenvalt.

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Maar met jou valt toch geen redelijk geprek over dit onderwerp te voeren, dus ik verspil er verder geen energie aan.

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Op dinsdag 18 oktober 2011 11:30 schreef Ronnie_bravo het volgende:

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Die onschuldige mensjes die van jongs af aan stenen staan te gooien....ja die zijn echt zielig, aldus Koos.

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Op dinsdag 18 oktober 2011 10:30 schreef deedeetee het volgende:

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Tsja het is wel hun eigen feestje hé ?

Maar eerst ff afwachten waarom de dames niet terug willen.....

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Op dinsdag 18 oktober 2011 11:47 schreef Hanoying het volgende:
1027 tegen één.

Ik neem aan dat Hamas zich kapot schaamt?

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Op dinsdag 18 oktober 2011 11:47 schreef Hanoying het volgende:
1027 tegen één.

Ik neem aan dat Hamas zich kapot schaamt?

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Op dinsdag 18 oktober 2011 10:26 schreef deedeetee het volgende:

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bron: elsevier

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Op dinsdag 18 oktober 2011 11:39 schreef KoosVogels het volgende:

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Doet de harde kern van Feyenoord ook. Maar we schieten toch ook geen raketten op de Kuip?

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Op dinsdag 18 oktober 2011 11:53 schreef deedeetee het volgende:

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Neuh die mensen doen niet aan realiteit, zelfbedrog ligt hun veel beter

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Op dinsdag 18 oktober 2011 12:17 schreef killfrenzy het volgende:

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Zelfbedrog?

Hamas zal flink scoren met deze deal in de verkiezingen, 1000 Palestijnen terug. Dat is de realiteit.

Mooi gedaan van Hamas en hopelijk ontvoeren ze meer van die Israeliërs tot elke Palestijn vrij is van de kolonisten.

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Op dinsdag 18 oktober 2011 12:20 schreef sp3c het volgende:

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enig idee hoeveel Palestijnen zijn omgekomen in de nasleep van die ontvoering?
denk je dat Israel de volgende keer harder of minder hard terugslaat?

je hoopt op meer doden

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Op dinsdag 18 oktober 2011 11:48 schreef Drassss het volgende:

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Want?

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Op dinsdag 18 oktober 2011 12:21 schreef killfrenzy het volgende:

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Oorlog zal doden met zich meenemen, hoe dan ook.

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En vertel, hoeveel doden? Geen idee namelijk .

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Op dinsdag 18 oktober 2011 12:26 schreef Hanoying het volgende:

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1 euro = 1,35 dollar. de euro is 1,35 keer zo veel waard als de dollar
1 euro = 2,5 Turkse Lire. een euro is 2,50 keer zo veel waard als de Turkse Lire.
1 Israelische soldaat - 1027 Palestijnen. Een Israelische soldaat is...

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Op dinsdag 18 oktober 2011 12:26 schreef sp3c het volgende:

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das geen reden om je mensen maar tegen de muur te zetten

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402

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Israel-Gaza_conflict#Casualties

slechte deal

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Op dinsdag 18 oktober 2011 12:32 schreef killfrenzy het volgende:

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Die 402 zijn niet specifiek vanwege die militant. Maar inderdaad, veel.

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Welk ander oplossing hebben de Palestijnen om zich te bevrijden van de kolonisten?

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Op dinsdag 18 oktober 2011 12:45 schreef killfrenzy het volgende:
Stoppen met vechten == Toegeven aan de kolonisten

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Op dinsdag 18 oktober 2011 12:45 schreef killfrenzy het volgende:
Stoppen met vechten == Toegeven aan de kolonisten

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Op dinsdag 18 oktober 2011 12:45 schreef killfrenzy het volgende:
Stoppen met vechten == Toegeven aan de kolonisten

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Op dinsdag 18 oktober 2011 12:47 schreef deedeetee het volgende:

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= einde maken aan de oorlog en eens een normaal leven gaan opbouwen.

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Op dinsdag 18 oktober 2011 12:45 schreef sp3c het volgende:

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niet stoppen met vechten == meer land opgeven aan de kolonisten

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Op dinsdag 18 oktober 2011 12:46 schreef Ronnie_bravo het volgende:

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OccupyTelAviv??

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Op dinsdag 18 oktober 2011 12:48 schreef killfrenzy het volgende:

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Jij zou het pikken als Nederland opeens Duitsland wordt, hun niet.

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En daar zullen ze nooit vredig kunnen leven.

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Op dinsdag 18 oktober 2011 12:50 schreef sp3c het volgende:

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van opeens is in dit hele conflict nergens sprake

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eigen keuze

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Op dinsdag 18 oktober 2011 12:48 schreef killfrenzy het volgende:

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Jij zou het pikken als Nederland opeens Duitsland wordt, hun niet.

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Op dinsdag 18 oktober 2011 12:53 schreef deedeetee het volgende:

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Vreemde vergelijking

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Op dinsdag 18 oktober 2011 12:53 schreef killfrenzy het volgende:

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Het woordje "opeens" mag je weghalen, en er veranderd niks.

Eigen keuze inderdaad, en dat is de goede keuze als je het mij vraagt. De joden zijn welkom om te wonen in een Palestijnse staat, net als XX% van de Palestijnen die christelijk zijn. Israel en vredig bestaan zal nooit samengaan.

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Op dinsdag 18 oktober 2011 12:56 schreef sp3c het volgende:

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de joden zijn sowieso nooit welkom geweest ... ook voor de staat Israel, niet zou raar zijn als dat strax ineens wel kan

realiteit is dat Israel bestaat en niet weggaat, daar moeten de Palestijnen mee leren leven als ze een betere toekomst willen hebben