9/11 #51: Waar we officieel het 50e deel behaalden!

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Op zondag 12 juni 2011 19:15 schreef Hoppahoppa het volgende:

Vanzelfsprekend. En omdat ik het gewoon lachen vindt af en toe.

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Wat is het verhaal achter deze foto?

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http://gulnarasamoilova.com/

I picked up a camera when I was 15. In my native Russia, I was a photography teacher and specialized in documentary photography. I earned a diploma in photography while in Russia and hold a certificate from the International Center of Photography. I have been in the United States since 1992 and continue to do my own documentary photography projects both in Russia and the United States.

I was supposed to be in Russia on Sept.11 to photograph a family I was chronicling as part of a personal, ongoing project. Instead, I was nearly buried alive in the ash and debris from the World Trade Center as I documented the events of the day.

I was awarded nationally and internationally for my photographs from 9/11 including first prize in the World Press Photo contest "People in the News" Singles division for my photograph of survivors of the World Trade Center collapse.

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Part of interview by Judith Sylvester for her book "Women Journalists at Ground Zero. Covering Crisis"

Gulnara was still asleep in her apartment when the first plane struck the South Tower five blocks away. The sound awoke her. As she lay in bed listening, she heard sirens. At first she thought the sirens signaled routine ambulance runs from a nearby hospital. But, when they didn't stop, she thought something terrible must have happened.

She turned on her TV and froze.I saw the first Tower. It had just happened. The commentator on CNN didn't know what was going on. Somebody said it was a small plane. I am just watching it to learn what was going on. Then, the second plane hit the second Tower. I saw it on TV and at the same time I heard a powerful explosion. I realized it was a terrorist attack.

Gulnara jumped out of bed and quickly pulled on her clothes. I was just running around the apartment, thinking: Do I need flash? How many rolls of film do I need to take? She had the black and white Tri-X film she prefers for her projects stored in her refrigerator.

Gulnara should have been out of New York that day. I was supposed to go to Russia on Sept. 8 to continue a personal project, photographing a family in Russia I have been working on for six years but something happened two days before my trip and I just cancelled it.

She grabbed her equipment and started outside toward the World Trade Center. "I didn't think I would be able to get close. But nobody stopped me".
People were running in the opposite direction from the Trade Center. "While I was walking, I was taking some pictures. Then I saw the Towers. It was just amazing. I stopped at Church and Fulton street across from the Towers, but I could have gone inside the building or gotten closer because no body was stopping me.

"Then I started concentrating on people around me -- the victims and the injured. I couldn't even focus, it was so dramatic. I saw a woman whose skin was just coming off from burns. I was a little bit shy to photograph these people because they were in pain. I didn't want to just stick my camera in their faces".

She said that is was important not only to concentrate on the event itself, but on what was going on around it. "Reactions. People's faces. You must have a good eye to notice, not just the whole picture, but little things", she said. "As a photographer you have to notice everything".

For Gulnara noticing everything included seeing people jumping from the Tower. "I was so stunned I couldn't even lift my camera. I couldn"t believe that people were jumping", she said. It never occurred to her that the Towers would collapse. "I didn't realize how dangerous it was. They are so tall. I saw the fire, but I didn't know there was a huge plane inside.

A policeman tried to push her out and asked her how she could try to photograph with so much going on. "I told him I had to document it. It's a big, historical event. I crossed the street and just kept photographing, constantly changing lenses".

Then she heard a tremendous noise. "I lifted my camera and took one shot before I saw in my viewfinder that the building was coming down. Someone said, "Run!" and I started running. I was certain it was coming right on me. I kept thinking it's not happening to me. When it hit the ground, I fell. I thought I'm going to die right now because people will run over me. But nobody did. I look back and I saw this unbelievable huge cloud of dust and debris coming right at me. I hid behind a car".

She compared being in the cloud of debris to being in a tunnel with strong wind pushing all around her. "I didn't have time to be scared. My heart wasn't pumping. I didn't have an adrenaline rush or anything. I just kept thinking it's like I'm in a movie, I'm not here". Gulnara said being behind the camera helped her to keep focused. She could view the scene as if it weren't real.

The wind settled down and then stopped. "Dust was going every where. I couldn't open my eyes. It was in my ears and my mouth. It was just very, very silent; and it was so dark. I couldn't see a thing. I don't remember how long it was. I started losing my breath. I was certain I was buried alive".

Then she realized someone else was hiding behind the same car, a man who asked her if she was okay. "I started seeing the lights from the car and that is when I knew I was alive and would be okay. As soon as I could see something, I started photographing again. It was so silent. Paper was flying in the air. According to my film, I shot a couple of frames and my roll ended. I changed lenses and film, but I don't remember doing it".

Her elbow was bleeding from her fall. "I started walking home. I had trouble breathing and was in total shock. Somebody gave me a mask and water. Everything was amazingly organized. People who work at the Millennium Hotel got out chairs, towels, sheet, and water. They were ripping out doors to make into stretchers for people. "She didn't see a lot of panic. Priests were talking to people. Police and firefighters were acting professionally". It was amazing to see that", she said.

"I got home and started mixing chemicals to develop my film. Because it was hot, I put ice in it and waited for it to cool down. I was watching TV when the second Tower collapsed five blocks from my appartment. I could hear it very well. It was just...well when steel goes inside of steel, only ten thousand times louder. It was very loud, like crack. My buildings just jumped, and I thought it's going to collapse as well. Dust was everywhere. I quickly closed the windows.

Gulnara had a darkroom set up in her kitchen where she can develop film and print pictures. As she started to develop her film, she realized she had shot one roll of Ektachrome color slide film. "I never use that kind of film. It is still a mystery how it got into my bag. I developed the film, and it was still wet in the tank. I walked to work, rotating my tank, because I didn"t want to waste time drying it and I could keep the dust out of it. I thought by the time I would get to AP it would be dry. "The trip took 11/2 hours. My hair still had debris in it. I was just able to change my clothes. There was no time to take a shower".

When her boss saw the film, he was shocked. "Black and white?"; Gulnara responded that she did have a roll of color film and that she was sure she got a picture of the Tower collapsing. But she also noted that color film offered little advantage in this particular instance. "After the collapse you couldn't tell in the pictures what race people were. They were all gray."

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Er zijn over deze foto heel veel dingen onduidelijk. Zo is moeilijk te zien van hoe ver deze is gemaakt. Het is duidelijk dat de foto die je gepost hebt, niet het hele beeld is dat de fotograaf heeft gezien in zijn camera (dat kun je aan de verhoudingen zien). De foto kan zo geknipt zijn en bewerkt om de indruk te wekken dat deze van dichtbij is genomen, terwijl de afstand feitelijk heel groot was en er een telelens is gebruikt. Die indruk wekt het voor mij, maar ik kan dat niet staven met bewijs.

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Ik vind het een mooie foto voor het fototopic, eerlijk gezegd.

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Daarbij, deze man was waarschijnlijk al een hele tijd aan het fotograferen en kon niet zeker weten dat het gebouw zou gaan instorten. Waarschijnlijk stond hij door zijn camera te kijken toen het instorten begon en heeft hij een paar keer geknipt voor hij is gevlucht. Althans, dat zou ik hebben gedaan. Door de camera gekeken lijken dingen vaak ook gewoon minder eng (want kleiner).

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AP Photographer Captures Human Toll of Sept. 11

By Maya Dollarhide

WEnews correspondent

Sunday, December 30, 2001

Amy Sancetta, a veteran AP sports photographer and Pulitzer Prize winner, captured not only the aftermath of the World Trade Center attack, but also the poignant fliers for missing persons and the generosity of small-town America.

NEW YORK (WOMENSENEWS)--Amy Sancetta woke early on Sept. 11 in her Rockefeller Center hotel room, plunk in the middle of midtown's bustle. Anxious to see the Big Apple's sites, she dressed quickly and slung her cameras around her neck, grabbed her bag. She also answered her ringing cell phone.

The Pulitzer Prize winning photographer Sancetta had been working long hours at the U.S. Open, snapping photographs for The Associated Press. Now was time to enjoy the clear autumn day in New York.

"A plane just flew into the World Trade Center, can you get down there?" asked AP editor Madge Stager.

Plans cancelled, Sancetta grabbed her digital camera and discs and headed downtown for what would be the biggest story of her life.

"We just thought a plane hit the tower," said Sancetta, interviewed from her home in Chagrin Falls, Ohio. "We thought it was an accident. I didn't even know where exactly the World Trade Towers were. "I just knew they were south, and they were tall, so I told the cab driver: Head downtown."

The AP's national enterprise photographer, Sancetta is a veteran sports photographer and her feature coverage of Bill Clinton's presidential campaign was part of The AP's package that won the 1993 Pulitzer Prize.

Sancetta was in the cab when the second plane hit. They drove down Broadway and she told the cabbie to stop, so that she could shoot pictures of people in the street and smoke pouring from the buildings. "I didn't see anyone jumping from the buildings. But when you close your eyes at night you can see the burning buildings, again and again."

The public has seen Sancetta's vivid, enduring images again and again in newspapers nationwide and then again in their own minds eye. (See the link to photos at the end of this article). Her work captured the first tower going down, firefighters with their heads in the their hands in grief and shocked, ash-covered survivors wandering the streets. She photographed chaos and destruction in the terror attack in which nearly 3,000 people perished.
The Camera Couldn't Capture the Roar of Disaster, the Beat of Her Heart

Yet Sancetta says some shocking details were un-photographable: The sounds, for instance, were not captured adequately. "It was so loud down there. The noise, it was overwhelming. The crunch of thousands of people's feet running and this bass sound in your chest from the buildings," she said. "I took pictures of a space shuttle launch years ago and we were two miles from the launch pad, but you could feel the sound inside of you as it lifted off. This was similar."

When the smothering smoke began to billow out onto side streets and threatened to engulf the crowds, Sancetta had to run too. She hid in a parking garage and then abruptly left it, thinking, 'I don't want to be underground where something could fall on me. It was so surreal. I still wasn't sure what had happened or why buildings were falling down."

After the second building fell, rescue workers began pushing Sancetta away from the area. She called The AP and began to make the four-mile-trek back up to the offices in Rockefeller Center, where she was about to begin sightseeing just hours before. "My hands were shaking as I was trying to shoot," she said. "I walked back up to 50th Street and that night I took a bicycle and rode it downtown, just to look at everything."

Bron: http://www.womensenews.or(...)s-human-toll-sept-11

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Op maandag 13 juni 2011 01:01 schreef J0kkebr0k het volgende:
Hier nog een set van die mooie "foto's":

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Fucking gefabriceerde rommel en iedereen maar denken dat dit echt is.... die gasten lachen hun ballen uit hun broek.

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Op maandag 13 juni 2011 03:31 schreef mouzzer het volgende:

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Goh wat is er is er anders uhm nou de grote rookwolk als gevolg van de de impact en explosie van flight 175 in WTC2 zou die niet misschien de complete schaduw over WFC veroorzaken? Kom op zeg je was toch zo goed in het analyseren van foto's maar dat de rookwolk die extra schaduw veroorzaakt komt niet in je op en gaat gelijk maar weer roepen dat het fake is... het blijft idd lachen...

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Op maandag 13 juni 2011 11:37 schreef oompaloompa het volgende:
verdomme, hele post getypt, per ongelijk refreshed

@JB die schaduwfotos, de hele foto is donkerder niet alleen het gebouw

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@JB Stel nou eens dat er idd dingen gephotoshopped zijn en/of fotos geplagieerd (?), wat betekent dat dan? Zoals jij zelf ook in andere threads post, worden fotos in de media wel vaker aangepast.Het hoogste dat je dan dus bewijst is dat er mee geknoeid is, is niet meteen bewijs van knoeierij met de aanslag zelf.

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Om die theorie een stuk aannemelijker te maken, zit je met het probleem van de gaten in het verhaal. Op dit moment hebben "jullie" vooral circumstantial hints dat er iets niet goed zou zitten, door te stoppen met het focussen op zaken die er al liggen (de fotos / de vreemde getuigenissen) en juist die gaten op te vullen, kun je een goede werkbare theorie van het idee maken i.p.v. slechts een aantal toevalligheden waarbij de lezer zelf maar moet gaan verzinnen hoe de rest allemaal gegaan is.

Dus een oprechte tip: Maak het verhaal af, en wordt de nieuwe Jones / Wood

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Op maandag 13 juni 2011 13:22 schreef THEFXR het volgende:

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oohh, nu heb ik ineens poten en wat hebben honden dan?

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Op maandag 13 juni 2011 13:43 schreef Hoppahoppa het volgende:
Nah, alleen in periodes dat jij er ook veel bent. Anders is er niet zo veel aan.

Daarbij zul je mij hier doordeweeks de laatste weken niet zo veel gezien hebben. Dat blijft ook zo. Ik heb namelijk een nieuwe baan waarbij ik niet de hele dag kan zitten internetten. Fok is meer voor de periodes dat ik me verveel of domme TV aan het kijken ben.

Pinksteren bijvoorbeeld.

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Op maandag 13 juni 2011 13:52 schreef Hoppahoppa het volgende:
Welke post? Op de laatste 2 pagina's staan er wel 10 waarin je om een reactie vraagt. Ik snap best dat je allerlei vragen over foto's hebt, maar ik ben hier niet de hele dag mee bezig. Plaats ze anders in dat fototopic als je echt antwoorden wil.

Ik heb vandaag verder geen tijd om ellenlange posts te lezen. Sorry. Ik zit zelf midden in fotobewerkingen en dat krijg ik dan nooit af.

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Op maandag 13 juni 2011 13:21 schreef J0kkebr0k het volgende:
Ik zou graag ook nog een reactie zien van o.a. Hoppahoppa (en wellicht Mouzzer) op de foto's van Amy Sancetta en Thomas Nilsson. Ik ben benieuwd wat jij hier nu van vindt? Over die foto van Gulnara waren we het redelijk eens hoewel jij er een andere verklaring dan ik voor probeert te zoeken... maar heeft jouw verklaring na het zien van de andere 2 foto's nog grond om op te staan?

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Op maandag 13 juni 2011 14:10 schreef Hoppahoppa het volgende:

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Dus nu moet ik aan jou verantwoording af gaan leggen over wanneer ik op jouw posts wil reageren? Het moet niet treuriger worden..... Ik zit me nu even niet te vervelen, helaas voor jou.

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Op maandag 13 juni 2011 18:29 schreef Hoppahoppa het volgende:

Wat moet ik daar van vinden? Het zijn drie foto's die ongeveer op hetzelfde moment zijn genomen, maar aan de gebouwen en de boomtop voor het WTC te zien (en overigens ook aan de hoek van het gebouw) van een totaal andere afstand, met een andere brandpuntsafstand op de camera. Niet zo bijzonder. Deze fotografen stonden waarschijnlijk in serie foto's te nemen en hebben ongeveer dezelfde foto laten publiceren (zo dat hun eigen keus was) omdat dit waarschijnlijk het indrukwekkendste beeld opleverde.

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Maar wat vind jij er verder vreemd aan? Los van het typische 'kijk mij eens een American hero zijn' verhaal van de fotografen.. (dat die Amerikanen daar zelf nooit moe van worden...)

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Repareren zichzelf? Heb jij stront in je ogen? Die kolommen zijn gewoon net zo kapot op het ene plaatje als op het andere, alleen door de kleuren in dat bewegende GIFje van je kun je dat nauwelijks zien. Zorg er nou eerst eens voor dat je 2 foto's met dezelfde kleurbewerking post voordat je dit soort achterlijke conclusies gaat trekken.

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Foto's zijn vanuit een totaal verschillende hoek genomen. De rode lijntjes zijn er op getekend, dat weet je toch hoop ik hè? Maar wat is er verder 'gek' aan volgens jou?