[F1] F1 nieuwtjes topic deel 88: Waar nieuwe regelgeving gaat gelden.

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Op zondag 5 juni 2011 13:06 schreef JohnB52 het volgende:
Wat n aparte kalender van superleague.

Nu 2 races, en dan in september de volgende

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Op zondag 5 juni 2011 10:34 schreef Ermanon het volgende:

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Oftewel, F1 wordt een politiek middel, en daar zou niet moeten gebeuren

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Op zondag 5 juni 2011 13:44 schreef Netsplitter het volgende:
Zelfs Mosley praat zinnig over dit onderwerp.

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Op zondag 5 juni 2011 13:07 schreef Sinister-D- het volgende:

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Hier een filmpje van de vanaf voren gezien :
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMjczMjA2NDk2.html

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Time for Formula One to make a stand
^05/06/2011

The fact that Bahrain is to be allowed to run a race this year appals me. What also appals me is that India is to be inconvenienced. No doubt the promoters in India are hoping for a down to the wire finale, but what about the marshals, the circuit doctors and paramedics, the stall holders and the fans who have already booked their flights and hotel rooms?

Races cannot take place without marshals and I can imagine people arranging time off work for the honour of spending a long weekend without pay. As always, the powers that be pay scant attention to the vast number of people without whom a race could not happen.

None of the teams want to go to Bahrain, but they are contractually obliged to do so. Before the 1958 Cuban GP for sports cars, some of Fidel Castro's men kidnapped Fangio. They would have taken Stirling as well, but Fangio told them that Moss was on his honeymoon. The rebels treated Fangio well and released him after the race, they were making a political point.

The world has moved on, I cannot think of a guerrilla group today who would not snatch a star prize because he is on his honeymoon. Sports events are soft targets for political activists.

Then there is the issue for having the season extended with 2012 to prepare for. Teams have been handed a logistical nightmare just before the Christmas holidays. Bernie does not celebrate Christmas, but lots of people do.

Sponsors may not like having their names linked to Bahrain and this is a special issue for Red Bull and Toro Rosso which are named for their owner/sponsor. Right now, Bahrain is as attractive to a sponsor as syphilis.

The WMSC has sent delegates on a fact-finding mission. In the 1930s there were many nasty stories leaking about Stalin's Russia so a fact-finding mission was invited, a group which included George Bernard Shaw. They found no evidence of the ten million who died of famine in the Ukraine or of the prison camps in Siberia. They saw only happy, glowing, farm workers and people making tractors.

A fact-finding mission is about as useful as the due diligence the FIA used when deciding which teams to admit in 2010. Due diligence weeded out hopeless cases like Lola and Prodrive, yet accepted US GP and HRT. Excuse me for being sceptical about fact finding, due diligence and other fancy phrases.

All the teams, except for HRT, belong to FOTA and this could be show time. If they said they were not going, there is actually nothing that anyone could do. Bernie could jump up and down, waving a piece of paper as much as he liked, no court would support him. All it would do would be to add to the gaiety of nations.

This could become the issue which decides who really is important in Formula One - it sure isn't some hedge fund.

Bernie has said that Bahrain is not about the money. Of course not, Bernie, perish the thought.

Bahrain failed to meet the original deadline of 1st May and that should have been an end to the matter. I am a journalist, I know what a deadline means. The word is 'dead', not man-flu. Apparently, the WMSC has its own definition, just as taxi drivers have their own version of the Highway Code.

It is a fair bet that 'force majeure' was invoked, it often is on such occasions. A force majeure is something beyond normal control, like your factory burning down, but not if you started the fire yourself. The reason for Bahrain cancelling in March was not something beyond its control. People stage peaceful demonstrate all the time in democracies without being killed and maimed.

Bahraini citizens, male and female, have the vote and may elect the Lower House of 40 representatives. The Upper House, also numbering 40, is selected by the king. Most of the Bahraini cabinet is related to the king, who must reckon that he has a very gifted family. Bahrain is an absolute monarchy with window dressing.

Peaceful demonstrators in most countries are not killed and maimed, and there have been at least 30 deaths. By comparison to Egypt, Libya, Syria and Yemen, this is a small number, but it is still mass murder. You cannot tell the friends and family of the victims that their deaths are statistically insignificant. The death of one person is 100 per-cent for that person.

When gunfire is involved, a rough rule of thumb is ten injuries for every death and this will range in severity from bruising when diving to the ground, via losing limbs, to paralysis, and those are just the physical scars. People are still dying of injuries sustained in March.

Initially, the Bahraini authorities agreed to the release of some political prisoners. What has actually happened is that hundreds of people have been thrown into prison. What conditions must be like defies imagination since the cells must be bursting at the seams.

Among those arrested were the medical staff who treated the wounded and there have been reports of torture and killings.

When people stage a peaceful demonstration and are killed, the technical term is murder and the Bahraini royal family has blood on its hands. Ironically, the initial demonstrations were not about regime change, but the extension of civil liberties. One small clique has grown powerful because of mineral resources which happen to be under their feet,

Part of an explosive mix is the fact that the ruling faction is Sunni while most of the population is Shia. Think Catholic and Protestant, think Northern Ireland. The troubles in Northern Ireland began when the Catholic minority staged peaceful demonstrations for increased civil liberties, that was all, and look what happened.

The lifting of martial law, imposed with the assistance of that fine upholder of human rights, Saudi Arabia, coincided with the WMSC's decision. On the day before the WMSC met, The Independent newspaper headlined with a story about a Bahraini woman who had been imprisoned for reading a poem at a rally. We are seriously asked to believe that Bahrain is now stable.

The Bahraini authorities lost control when they decided to murder and maim their own citizens. Bahrain is an absolute monarchy, every order comes from the top, it is not like some corporation where you can sacrifice some hapless middle-manager.

Motor racing has often dealt with unsavoury regimes, but there has always been a buffer, the conceit that somehow the organising club is separate from the government. Even while Nazi Germany was imprisoning political opponents, practising euthanasia on unfortunates and stripping Jews of basic human rights, we could pretend that this somehow did not involve sport.

There was the idea that sport was different and that it was somehow above everyday reality. Sport, so ran, runs, a naive argument, was a way of forming common bonds between people of different nations, though George Orwell got it right when he declared that sport was warfare without the guns.

When it came to justifying motor racing in countries with unsavoury regimes, you could always pretend that the organising club had nothing to do with the government. You were in La-La Land, but you could believe that you had the basis for an argument.

Bahrain wanted a Grand Prix for prestige and to boost tourism, nothing new about that. Now it wants to use our sport to camouflage the actions of an unsavoury government. Max Mosley has written: 'If a sport accepts this role, it becomes a tool of government. If Formula One allows itself to be used in this way in Bahrain, it will share the regime's guilt as surely as if it went out and helped brutalise unarmed protesters.'

The point about Bahrain is that it is an absolute monarchy and Crown Prince Salman bin Hamad bin Isa Al Khalifa owns both the circuit and the race, he is also head of the Bahraini armed forces. There is no buffer between he and the race.

An absolute monarchy is an inheritary dictatorship. When Max Mosley had some difficult press, the Crown Prince let it be known that Max was not welcome in Bahrain.

A princeling told the elected President of the FIA that he was not welcome at a race which was sanctioned by the FIA. I reckon that if you want to go motor racing, you abide by motor racing rules and that includes paying due respect to the elected head of the sport.

Max had sex, for money, with consensual adults, so what? Bahrain is wall-to-wall with hookers, it is whore Heaven. Hookers go where the money is. Negotionable affection is one of the unstated attractions of Bahrain.

If the race goes ahead, and I hope that it does not, I would like to think that TV will ignore the Crown Prince. The best thing that can happen is that he is ignored.

Asking him direct questions about the bloody regime in which he is a leading element will not work. He will have his minders and will anyway have been prepped by spin doctors. Treating him like a leper is the best thing, it will rob him of the ability to grandstand.

No power on earth can make you attend a function the Crown Prince may throw, you can always post a sickie.

The claim that it is safe to hold a Grand Prix is tosh. The conditions which caused thousands to demonstrate remain. Early demonstrations asked only for change, not the overthrow of the monarchy, now the climate has changed.

In an interview with BBC Radio, Nabeel Rajab, President of the Bahrain Centre for Human Rights has said that if the race goes ahead, race day will be a nationwide 'Day of Rage'. 'Day of Rage' is the term used by protesters for their original demonstration.

Bahrain has no shortage of oil money, which is finite. It has invested serious cash in a long-term future which includes tourism and financial services. As a tourist destination it is now a no-no, you cannot get travel insurance. As for Bahrain being a financial centre, forget it.

It would be my guess that since tourists are not gagging to book rooms in Bahrain, there will be lay-offs of staff, which will only add to the pool of discontent.

The Crown Prince seems to think that running a race will repair the damage his family has done and the WMSC is daft enough to believe him. I really did think that Jean Todt was more sophisticated than that.

Sir Jackie claims that a race will bring people together. It will not. It will only emphasise the division between the haves and the have-nots in a country awash with oil money. By the way, Jackie, it is Mark Webber who speaks for us now.

The Cheltenham Festival is a horse race meeting which attracts thousands of Irish. On St Patrick's Day this year, a man ran in front of the horses and was lucky to survive, a horse not having ABS, power assisted steering, or much of a brain.

The guy was protesting at the way he had been treated by RyanAir, a budget airline. By comparison to what the Bahraini ruling elite has done to its own people, this guy had no complaint, but it takes only one aggrieved person.

Should the Bahrain GP go ahead on 30th October it will, of course, be targeted. There is a huge pro-democracy movement in the Middle East and Bahrain has no way of dealing with it. It could not even brutalise its own citizens without help from Saudi Arabia.

Make no mistake, the race will be targeted. Put yourself in the position of an activist, the Bahrain GP is too tempting to ignore. There are no national borders when it comes to modern communication and there are plenty of political activists in the Middle East who would like nothing better than to depose an absolute monarch. All they need to do is book a package with a company running tips to the Grand Prix.

What the WMSC should do is to restore the original calendar and put Bahrain on probation. If, in a couple of years or so. it has proved to be fit, it can be reinstated.

Bahrain is a unique case since the circuit and the race are owned by the Crown Prince. There is no buffer of a sporting organisation to allow us to pretend that sport is somehow different from everyday life.

It is simple, Bahrain must be excluded and India returned to its original slot. India is the most populous democracy on earth and it is growing in stature by the day, shoving it aside to accommodate a country using the sport for political ends is no way to treat an important newcomer.

It is time for Formula One to make a stand.

Mike Lawrence
mike.lawrence@pitpass.com

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Op zondag 5 juni 2011 18:31 schreef Fir3fly het volgende:
Alsof elk ander land F1 niet gebruikt voor propaganda doeleinden.

Ik vind het allemaal ontzettend hypocriet.

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Op zondag 5 juni 2011 20:51 schreef Glijdt_licht het volgende:
Och, f1 heeft ook jaren in Kyalami Zuid-Afrika gereden ondanks de het apartheidsregime. Ze hebben ook in Spanje (Jarama) gereden onder Franco en Hongarije tijdens het communisme. Argentinië tijdens het Videla-regime.

F1 trekt zich weinig aan van politiek hoor.

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Op zondag 5 juni 2011 20:59 schreef kepler het volgende:

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Zoals Tarado al zegt, is de organisatie van de GP in Bahrein ook verantwoordelijk voor het bloedig neerslaan van de opstand

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Op zondag 5 juni 2011 21:14 schreef Fir3fly het volgende:

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Dus ?

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Op zondag 5 juni 2011 21:27 schreef Glijdt_licht het volgende:
Ik denk dat Videla, ZA en Franco net zo werkten hoor. Ook Hongarije natuurlijk
Videla kon laten zien dat zn land het fantastisch deed
ZA kon laten zien dat het in de steden erg goed was (voor de blanken)
Frnco kon zijn spelletje ook mooi spelen
en last but not least, Hongarije kon laten zien dat communisme wel degelijk goed werkte en ze zeer modern waren.

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Op zondag 5 juni 2011 21:15 schreef Walter_Sobchak het volgende:
BBC 2! Murray Walker documentaire.

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Op zondag 5 juni 2011 21:54 schreef kepler het volgende:

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Dat is ook wel waar natuurlijk. Maar opzich is dit een iets andere situatie waarbij de race eigenlijk eerst afgelast was vanwege de onrusten, en nu (ws met behulp van een grote zak geld) dus wel doorgang zal vinden (terwijl het nog steeds onrustig is in het land).

Ik weet eigenlijk niet hoe de situatie was in die andere landen, alsin bemoeide de overheid zich actief met het organiseren van de race?

Ach, eigenlijk weet ik niet genoeg van politiek/geschiedenis om hier een goede mening over te vormen

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Op zondag 5 juni 2011 22:11 schreef Tarado het volgende:

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Was leuk

Fan gets hit by Sebastien Buemi's Red Bull showcar

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Op zaterdag 4 juni 2011 17:25 schreef Swindler het volgende:
En hier nog een superdocu :

Grand Prix - The Killer Years

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Op zondag 5 juni 2011 23:41 schreef Walter_Sobchak het volgende:

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Mn chick wilde die Kluun film zien

Hebben we deze al gezien trouwens?

Fan gets hit by Sebastien Buemi's Red Bull showcar

Tragédia na F1 - Tom Pryce

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Op zondag 5 juni 2011 13:19 schreef Sinister-D- het volgende:

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Nee hoor:
[ afbeelding ]

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Op zaterdag 4 juni 2011 17:25 schreef Swindler het volgende:

En hier nog een superdocu :

Grand Prix - The Killer Years

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Op maandag 6 juni 2011 11:21 schreef vosss het volgende:

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Die fan had van mij ter plekke dood mogen gaan.

Nu reed Buemi niet hard, maar ik moest direct denken aan de crash van Pryce en daar liep het heel anders af met iemand die geschept werd. En met Tom Pryce ook overigens.

Idioot. Ik zou als ik Buemi was aangifte van poging tot doodslag doen. Zeker omdat hij springt, als hij tegen zn hoofd aangeklapt was had ie mooi zn nek kunnen breken of iets dergelijks

Gek.

Beelden van Pryce zijn bij iedereen wel bekend hier denk ik, maar toch maar even een linkje voor wie ze niet kent:

Tragédia na F1 - Tom Pryce

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The situation over the reinstatement of the Bahrain Grand Prix has been thrown into some confusion by the intervention of Bernie Ecclestone, who appears now to be urging the teams to revolt against the FIA’s decision last week.

The decision by the FIA World Council, on which Ecclestone sat – as did Ferrari – has been heavily criticised by fans and commentators alike. On this site 92% of a sample of 4,000 fans said that the FIA had been wring to reinstate the race.
FIA president Jean Todt has explained that the federation acted on the basis of a report compiled by one of its vice presidents who visited the country. But human rights groups have suggested that the visit was largely conducted on the agenda of the goverment and didn’t dig deep enough into the situation on the ground.
Speaking last night to the media, Ecclestone suggested that Bahrain could switch to the final race in December. This ongoing confusion will dismay the organisers of the Indian Grand Prix and many fans, who have bought airline tickets to Delhi and now do not know whether to cancel or reschedule, if indeed they have that flexibility.
The teams have decided to act as a unit, via the umbrella of the Formula One Teams Association, rather than take individual positions on the issue. The team principals have been in discussion over the last 24 hours but no statement has been made yet.
But Ecclestone is understood to have contacted them all to suggest that they demand a fresh FIA vote. There appears to be a question mark about whether the FIA World Council’s vote last Friday was unanimous, which it would need to be in order to bring about a short notice change such as this.
“The way things are at the moment, we have no idea what is going to happen,” Ecclestone said. “Better that we move Bahrain to the end of the season and, if things are safe and well, then that is fine, we can go.
“If they are not, then we don’t go and there are no problems. We listened to that report from the FIA and that was saying there were no problems at all in Bahrain. But that is not what I am hearing and I think we can see that we need to be careful.
Ecclestone was also keen to point out that money was not his primary concern here.
“The money makes no difference,” he said. “It is there because the Bahrain people asked us to keep it. If there is no race, we will return it, but money is not the issue here. It is whether it is safe and good to have a race that is the issue. We can change this Oct 30 date by having a vote by fax if necessary. It can be done, and fast.”
Ecclestone’s long term ally and confidant Max Mosley has expressed grave concern about the Bahrain decision, even writing a column in Sunday’s Telegraph newspaper in England denouncing it and the Bahraini government.

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Ferrari and Mercedes are pushing for the 2013 engine rules to be delayed while Renault threaten to quit the sport if the rules are not implemented as scheduled, FIA president Jean Todt has admitted.

“When I talk to those responsible at Renault they tell me they will go out of Formula 1 if this new engine does not come in 2013. When I talk to Mercedes and Ferrari they ask me to postpone the introduction for a couple of years,” revealed Todt.

It has emerged recently that the agreed ‘greener’ four cylinder turbo engine regulations no longer had the support of all four of Formula 1′s current engine suppliers.

Subsequent reports clarified that only Renault is now fully backing the move to smaller engines.

The FIA declared last Friday that it will now stage “consultations” with the sport’s stakeholders and then consider at the end of this month a new “implementation date” for the rules.

Todt admitted to the Spanish newspaper Diario Sport that he finds the situation frustrating.

“It is they who proposed the regulations, and the FIA who accepted them,” said Todt. “The proposal didn’t fall from the sky. We had 11 meetings with all the representatives of those involved.”

“They are not against the rules but want them postponed. So in the coming days I will keep up the contacts personally to see where we are,” added the Frenchman.

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Spa-Francorchamps could be the key to France's return to the Formula One calendar.

The French Le Journal Du Dimanche newspaper reports the possibility of the famous Belgian race alternating annually with a circuit in France.

"I've been asked about it earlier this year by French officials," admitted Belgian GP promoter Andre Maes.

"This may be interesting, so I am waiting for further news," he said.

The Belgian GP has admitted to worrying about being priced out of F1 due to rising race sanctioning fees.

French Grand Prix host Magny-Cours dropped off the calendar after the 2008 season due to "economic problems".

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Op dinsdag 7 juni 2011 11:41 schreef Ermanon het volgende:
Goh, Bernie heeft dus door dat ie de teams ook bevriend moet houden, anders is er geen F1 meer . Is ie toen ook achter gekomen met de CVC, die bijna achter zijn rug om zaken ging doen met de teams, wat Bernie niet zo tof vond.

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Op dinsdag 7 juni 2011 12:38 schreef sasquatsch het volgende:
Renault uit F1?

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Spa om en om met Franse Grand Prix?

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Op dinsdag 7 juni 2011 14:18 schreef Tarado het volgende:

kan Bahrein _{of Abu Dhabi} Spa niet adopteren?

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Op dinsdag 7 juni 2011 15:17 schreef Googolplexian het volgende:

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Ow, dat zou wel ok zijn?

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The Formula One Teams' Association (FOTA) has written to the sport's chiefs stating that its members do not want to race in Bahrain on the new October 30 date, AUTOSPORT can reveal, but teams are open to discussing a future slot for the event later in the year.

With ongoing controversy about the FIA's decision to reinstate the Bahrain Grand Prix on the calendar, and move the inaugural event in India to December 11, F1 teams have been holding talks over the past 36 hours to discuss their response to the situation.

Although there has been no official public statement about the matter, AUTOSPORT understands that a letter has been sent to the FIA, Formula One Management and the Bahrain Grand Prix organisers outlining FOTA's position.

It is understood that FOTA has made it clear that its members do not want to race in Bahrain on October 30, and instead it requests that the Indian GP be put back to the slot it originally had in the calendar.

Despite its stance on the October 30 date, FOTA has not closed the door totally on a return of the Bahrain GP this year and has said it is willing to discuss a future date - perhaps in December - when the race could be rescheduled.

The desire to return the Indian GP to its original October 30 date comes just hours after F1 supremo Bernie Ecclestone suggested that that was what he wanted to see happen.

In an interview with The Times on Tuesday, Ecclestone said: "The way things are at the moment, we have no idea what is going to happen.

"Better that we move Bahrain to the end of the season and, if things are safe and well, then that is fine, we can go. If they are not, then we don't go and there are no problems."

As well as teams being unhappy about the logistical problems of rescheduling travel arrangements and seeking guarantees on safety in Bahrain, there are also now believed to be issues relating to the manner in which the FIA changed the calendar without the unanimous support of the competitors.

Former FIA president Max Mosley suggested to BBC Radio that the governing body was in breach of its own International Sporting Code in the way it shifted the date of the Indian GP at its World Motor Sport Council meeting last week.

Article 66 of the ISC states: "No amendments shall be made to the Supplementary Regulations after the beginning of the period for receiving entries, unless unanimous agreement is given by all competitors already entered, or by decision of the stewards of the meeting for reasons of force majeure or safety (see Article 141)."

FOTA would not confirm what its official response to the Bahrain situation was when contacted by AUTOSPORT.

However, a spokesman said: "Action has been taken through the appropriate channels."

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Op dinsdag 7 juni 2011 15:20 schreef Tarado het volgende:

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If you can't beat them better join them , dat er (nog) niets in Abu Dhabi is gebeurd maakt dat land ansich natuurlijk niet veel beter, is ook een dictatuur, Het ging mij meer om het financiele aspect, om circuits zoals SPA in F1 te behouden zouden circuits als in Bahrein en Abu Dhabi voor 2 moeten betalen

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Op dinsdag 7 juni 2011 17:31 schreef Googolplexian het volgende:

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Dan verkoop je je politieke standpunt nog meer dan al het geval is.

Er is gewoon iets fundamenteel mis met F1 wanneer circuits als Spa, Silverstone en Suzuka (om maar een paar klassiekers te noemen) op de schop gaan omdat er goede deals met dictators getroffen kunnen worden. De enige redenen dat veel van de klassieke circuits ten onder gaan is omdat er steeds meer nieuwe circuits bijkomen (mensen reizen dus minder snel af naar de klassiekers en gaan in plaats daarvan naar een circuit in de buurt met betere faciliteiten) ... en dit omdat iemand [ahem] teveel geld wil verdienen en dus ondanks extreme entree-prijzen de circuits alleen maar verlies lijden aan F1.

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Op woensdag 8 juni 2011 09:40 schreef Swindler het volgende:
Wat een belachelijk slecht rapport met rare constateringen:

Het uitgelekte FIA document over Bahrein:

http://avaazpress.s3.amaz(...)%20report%20FULL.pdf

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Op woensdag 8 juni 2011 09:52 schreef Tarado het volgende:

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Over die deals met dictators ben ik helemaal met je eens dat dat niet zou moeten, maar het is gebleken dat Bernie daar totaal anders over denkt.

De reden die jij noemt waarom de klassieke circuits ten onder gaan is niet juist, de nieuwe circuits zijn op plekken waar de traditionele fans ver weg van wonen, dit komt omdat het bedrag wat Bernie vraagt niet in verhouding staat met de opbrengst ervan. Dit is dus alleen op te brengen door sponsoring of subsidie en dat laatste gebeurt uiteraard op grote schaal in bijvoorbeeld Bahrein, Abu Dhabi omdat die landen F1 als promotie gebruiken

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Ecclestone says Bahrain GP now unlikely

Formula 1 supremo Bernie Ecclestone says the Bahrain Grand Prix is unlikely to go ahead this year despite the FIA giving the green light to the event last week.

As criticism continues about the decision by the ruling body to let the event go ahead, Ecclestone told the BBC on Wednesday that the race was "not on" despite the World Motor Sport Council's call last Friday.

Ecclestone admitted the calendar is now unlikely to change because it would need all the teams to agree on the move.

"Hopefully there'll be peace and quiet and we can return in the future, but of course it's not on," Ecclestone told BBC Sport.

"The schedule cannot be rescheduled without the agreement of the participants - they're the facts."

As revealed by AUTOSPORT this week, the Formula One Teams' Association wrote to the sport's chiefs stating that it does not want to race in Bahrain on October 30, the date assigned for the race by the FIA.

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Formula 1 chiefs should have handled the situation surrounding the Bahrain Grand Prix much better, claim leading team bosses, amid claims that the controversy about the attempted rescheduling of the race has been damaging for the sport's image.

Although it is now almost certain that the Bahrain event will finally be dropped from the 2011 schedule, after FIA president Jean Todt invited Bernie Ecclestone to provide a revised calendar to the governing body, the way the affair has been played out in public has not gone down well among senior paddock figures.

And despite both Red Bull Racing's Christian Horner and Renault's Eric Boullier welcoming the FIA's response to FOTA's desire for India to be reinstated to its original October 30 date, they still have some unease about the events of the event week.

Horner said: "It's an unfortunate situation. Obviously with the way things have been handled, with the uncertainty, maybe it could have been handled better, but we are where we are."

Boullier, when asked about whether the Bahrain affair had been damaging for F1, said: "Obviously, yes. I am a young inexperienced team principal, but I am pushing hard to do my best to help to build F1 for the future, and obviously it is never good when you get such reactions when things like this happen.

"F1 is a non-political sport. We cannot do whatever we want, because there are issues like this. We need to be a little bit more cautious."

The final decision on the cancellation of the Bahrain GP will now rest with Ecclestone, with Todt having written to the teams on Thursday saying that its decision on the calendar was made on the advice of the sport's commercial rights holder - who would now be asked to submit another revision to the current 2011 plans.

There appears to be no doubt, however, that India will revert back to October 30, with AUTOSPORT understanding that Delhi race organisers having written to the FIA expressing their unhappiness about moving to scheduled December 11 slot.

Todt refused to answer questions about the Bahrain GP situation during an appearance at Le Mans on Thursday.

Horner said that the teams were happy that the Bahrain matter now appeared to be heading towards a solution that would satisfy the teams.

"The situation with Bahrain is becoming fairly clear," he said. "At the end of the day we are just a racing team that signs up to compete in the championship, and obviously we rely on the governing body and the commercial rights holder to make the right decisions for the sport and the teams.

"The teams have now been consulted through FOTA, FOTA has voiced their opinion and that's fairly clear for all to see now."

He added: "Formula 1 is a sport. It's not there to be used as a political tool. Our position as a racing team is that we're here to race in F1.

"Bahrain is a great circuit and we've always been made to feel very welcome. It's unfortunate the issues that are currently going on there, but it's not down to Red Bull to judge, and we rely on the FIA and the commercial rights holder to make the right decisions."

Boullier said that one of the few positives to come out of the affairs of the last week was that FOTA had acted so strongly when it stood up against the FIA's plans for Bahrain.

"It was very good. It is the way it has to be. Out of the political situation, FOTA I think will get better out of this because it shows that we can stick together and have the same way of communication and the same wish together."

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Bahrain Grand Prix organisers have now given up on their hopes of holding a Formula 1 race this year, leaving the way open for India to have its October 30 date reinstated.

After a dramatic six days since last Friday's decision by the FIA to slot the Bahrain GP back in the calendar and push India to December 11, chiefs at the Sakhir circuit acknowledged on Thursday night that the race was now definitely off.

Earlier in the day FIA president Jean Todt said he had asked Bernie Ecclestone to resubmit a calendar in the wake of complaints from teams about the logistical problems of racing in Bahrain and extending the season into December.

With that decision leaving the way open for Ecclestone to remove Bahrain from the calendar, chiefs from the Gulf island state acknowledged that there was no chance of the race taking place this year.

Bahrain International Circuit chairman Zayed R Alzayani said that, with teams unhappy about the calendar reshuffle, there was little point in pushing for an event that would lead to problems for F1's competitors.

"Whilst Bahrain would have been delighted to see the grand prix progress on October 30th in-line with the World Motor Sport Council's decision, it has been made clear that this fixture cannot progress and we fully respect that decision," he said in a statement.

"Bahrain has always sought to play a positive role in the continued development of Formula 1, from pioneering F1 racing in the Middle East, to helping other countries in facilitating their own races in new territories, as well as providing our own unique experience and universal welcome to grand prix supporters."

He added: "Bahrain has absolutely no desire to see a race which would further extend the calendar season [and] detract from the enjoyment of F1 for either drivers, teams or supporters. We want our role in Formula 1 to continue to be as positive and constructive as it has always been, therefore, in the best interest of the sport, we will not pursue the rescheduling of a race this season.

"We look forward to welcoming teams, their drivers and supporters back to Bahrain next year and would like to extend our deepest gratitude to our supporters, including staff, volunteers, sponsors, private businesses and the general public, for whom I know this year's decision will be a disappointment.

"We would also especially like to thank the FIA, FOM, the Bahrain Motor Federation (BMF) and the teams for all support and understanding they have extended to us at this time."

It is not clear when the official revisions to the calendar will now be made, but with India set to be return to its October 30 date, the 2011 season will now finish in Brazil on November 27.