Drugs, kom op nou.

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Op vrijdag 24 december 2010 23:20 schreef mlg het volgende:

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Zolang het maar niet de rechten en gezondheid van andere mensen schaadt, en dat is een van de redenen waarom er verboden zijn.

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Ik ben het met je eens dat het hypocriet is waarom alcohol dan wel gelegaliseerd is, en softdrugs waar men zo stoned als een garnaal -en dus chill- van wordt niet.

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Op vrijdag 24 december 2010 23:21 schreef mlg het volgende:

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Dat is allemaal een andere discussie.

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Op vrijdag 24 december 2010 23:28 schreef mlg het volgende:

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Ik denk dat je het niet helemaal begrepen of goed gelezen hebt, want ik had het over je niet aan de wet houden, en niet over het drugsverbod.

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Op zaterdag 25 december 2010 00:18 schreef sneakypete het volgende:

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Jij bent echt totaal vervreemd van de realiteit, he?

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WASHINGTON — The Drug Enforcement Administration has been transformed into a global intelligence organization with a reach that extends far beyond narcotics, and an eavesdropping operation so expansive it has to fend off foreign politicians who want to use it against their political enemies, according to secret diplomatic cables.

In far greater detail than previously seen, the cables, from the cache obtained by WikiLeaks and made available to some news organizations, offer glimpses of drug agents balancing diplomacy and law enforcement in places where it can be hard to tell the politicians from the traffickers, and where drug rings are themselves mini-states whose wealth and violence permit them to run roughshod over struggling governments.

Diplomats recorded unforgettable vignettes from the largely unseen war on drugs:

¶In Panama, an urgent BlackBerry message from the president to the American ambassador demanded that the D.E.A. go after his political enemies: “I need help with tapping phones.”

¶In Sierra Leone, a major cocaine-trafficking prosecution was almost upended by the attorney general’s attempt to solicit $2.5 million in bribes.

¶In Guinea, the country’s biggest narcotics kingpin turned out to be the president’s son, and diplomats discovered that before the police destroyed a huge narcotics seizure, the drugs had been replaced by flour.

¶Leaders of Mexico’s beleaguered military issued private pleas for closer collaboration with the drug agency, confessing that they had little faith in their own country’s police forces.

¶Cables from Myanmar, the target of strict United States sanctions, describe the drug agency informants’ reporting both on how the military junta enriches itself with drug money and on the political activities of the junta’s opponents.

Officials of the D.E.A. and the State Department declined to discuss what they said was information that should never have been made public.

Like many of the cables made public in recent weeks, those describing the drug war do not offer large disclosures. Rather, it is the details that add up to a clearer picture of the corrupting influence of big traffickers, the tricky game of figuring out which foreign officials are actually controlled by drug lords, and the story of how an entrepreneurial agency operating in the shadows of the F.B.I. has become something more than a drug agency. The D.E.A. now has 87 offices in 63 countries and close partnerships with governments that keep the Central Intelligence Agency at arm’s length.

Because of the ubiquity of the drug scourge, today’s D.E.A. has access to foreign governments, including those, like Nicaragua’s and Venezuela’s, that have strained diplomatic relations with the United States. Many are eager to take advantage of the agency’s drug detection and wiretapping technologies.

In some countries, the collaboration appears to work well, with the drug agency providing intelligence that has helped bring down traffickers, and even entire cartels. But the victories can come at a high price, according to the cables, which describe scores of D.E.A. informants and a handful of agents who have been killed in Mexico and Afghanistan.

In Venezuela, the local intelligence service turned the tables on the D.E.A., infiltrating its operations, sabotaging equipment and hiring a computer hacker to intercept American Embassy e-mails, the cables report.

And as the drug agency has expanded its eavesdropping operations to keep up with cartels, it has faced repeated pressure to redirect its counternarcotics surveillance to local concerns, provoking tensions with some of Washington’s closest allies.

Sticky Situations

Cables written in February by American diplomats in Paraguay, for example, described the D.E.A.’s pushing back against requests from that country’s government to help spy on an insurgent group, known as the Paraguayan People’s Army, or the EPP, the initials of its name in Spanish. The leftist group, suspected of having ties to the Colombian rebel group FARC, had conducted several high-profile kidnappings and was making a small fortune in ransoms.

When American diplomats refused to give Paraguay access to the drug agency’s wiretapping system, Interior Minister Rafael Filizzola threatened to shut it down, saying: “Counternarcotics are important, but won’t topple our government. The EPP could.”

The D.E.A. faced even more intense pressure last year from Panama, whose right-leaning president, Ricardo Martinelli, demanded that the agency allow him to use its wiretapping program — known as Matador — to spy on leftist political enemies he believed were plotting to kill him.

The United States, according to the cables, worried that Mr. Martinelli, a supermarket magnate, “made no distinction between legitimate security targets and political enemies,” refused, igniting tensions that went on for months.

Mr. Martinelli, who the cables said possessed a “penchant for bullying and blackmail,” retaliated by proposing a law that would have ended the D.E.A.’s work with specially vetted police units. Then he tried to subvert the drug agency’s control over the program by assigning nonvetted officers to the counternarcotics unit.

And when the United States pushed back against those attempts — moving the Matador system into the offices of the politically independent attorney general — Mr. Martinelli threatened to expel the drug agency from the country altogether, saying other countries, like Israel, would be happy to comply with his intelligence requests.

Eventually, according to the cables, American diplomats began wondering about Mr. Martinelli’s motivations. Did he really want the D.E.A. to disrupt plots by his adversaries, or was he trying to keep the agency from learning about corruption among his relatives and friends?

One cable asserted that Mr. Martinelli’s cousin helped smuggle tens of millions of dollars in drug proceeds through Panama’s main airport every month. Another noted, “There is no reason to believe there will be fewer acts of corruption in this government than in any past government.”

As the standoff continued, the cables indicate that the United States proposed suspending the Matador program, rather than submitting to Mr. Martinelli’s demands. (American officials say the program was suspended, but the British took over the wiretapping program and have shared the intelligence with the United States.)

In a statement on Saturday, the government of Panama said that it regretted “the bad interpretation by United States authorities of a request for help made to directly confront crime and drug trafficking.” It said that Panama would continue its efforts to stop organized crime and emphasized that Panama continued to have “excellent relations with the United States.”

Meanwhile in Paraguay, according to the cables, the United States acquiesced, agreeing to allow the authorities there to use D.E.A. wiretaps for antikidnapping investigations, as long as they were approved by Paraguay’s Supreme Court.

“We have carefully navigated this very sensitive and politically sticky situation,” one cable said. “It appears that we have no other viable choice.”

A Larger Mandate

Created in 1973, the D.E.A. has steadily built its international turf, an expansion primarily driven by the multinational nature of the drug trade, but also by forces within the agency seeking a larger mandate. Since the 2001 terrorist attacks, the agency’s leaders have cited what they describe as an expanding nexus between drugs and terrorism in further building its overseas presence.

In Afghanistan, for example, “DEA officials have become convinced that ‘no daylight’ exists between drug traffickers at the highest level and Taliban insurgents,” Karen Tandy, then the agency’s administrator, told European Union officials in a 2007 briefing, according to a cable from Brussels.

Ms. Tandy described an agency informant’s recording of a meeting in Nangarhar Province between 9 Taliban members and 11 drug traffickers to coordinate their financial support for the insurgency, and she said the agency was trying to put a “security belt” around Afghanistan to block the import of chemicals for heroin processing. The agency was embedding its officers in military units around Afghanistan, she said. In 2007 alone, the D.E.A. opened new bureaus in Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan and Dubai, United Arab Emirates, as well as in three Mexican cities.

Cables describe lengthy negotiations over the extradition to the United States of the two notorious arms dealers wanted by the D.E.A. as it reached beyond pure counternarcotics cases: Monzer al-Kassar, a Syrian arrested in Spain, and Viktor Bout, a Russian arrested in Thailand. Both men were charged with agreeing to illegal arms sales to informants posing as weapons buyers for Colombian rebels. Notably, neither man was charged with violating narcotics laws.

Late last year in a D.E.A. case, three men from Mali accused of plotting to transport tons of cocaine across northwest Africa were charged under a narco-terrorism statute added to the law in 2006, and they were linked to both Al Qaeda and its North African affiliate, called Al Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb.

The men themselves had claimed the terrorism link, according to the D.E.A., though officials told The New York Times that they had no independent corroboration of the Qaeda connections. Experts on the desert regions of North Africa, long a route for smuggling between Africa and Europe, are divided about whether Al Qaeda operatives play a significant role in the drug trade, and some skeptics note that adding “terrorism” to any case can draw additional investigative resources and impress a jury.

Most times, however, the agency’s expansion seems driven more by external forces than internal ones, with traffickers opening new routes to accommodate new markets. As Mexican cartels take control of drug shipments from South America to the United States, Colombian cartels have begun moving cocaine through West Africa to Europe.

The cables offer a portrait of the staggering effect on Mali, whose deserts have been littered with abandoned airplanes — including at least one Boeing 727 — and Ghana, where traffickers easily smuggle drugs through an airport’s “VVIP (Very Very Important Person) lounge.”

Top-to-bottom corruption in many West African countries made it hard for diplomats to know whom to trust. In one 2008 case in Sierra Leone, President Ernest Bai Koroma moved to prosecute and extradite three South American traffickers seized with about 1,500 pounds of cocaine, while his attorney general was accused of offering to release them for $2.5 million in bribes.

In Nigeria, the D.E.A. reported a couple of years earlier that diplomats at the Liberian Embassy were using official vehicles to transport drugs across the border because they were not getting paid by their war-torn government and “had to fend for themselves.”

A May 2008 cable from Guinea described a kind of heart-to-heart conversation about the drug trade between the American ambassador, Phillip Carter III, and Guinea’s prime minister, Lansana Kouyaté. At one point, the cable said, Mr. Kouyaté “visibly slumped in his chair” and acknowledged that Guinea’s most powerful drug trafficker was Ousmane Conté, the son of Lansana Conté, then the president. (After the death of his father, Mr. Conté went to prison.)

A few days later, diplomats reported evidence that the corruption ran much deeper inside the Guinean government than the president’s son. In a colorfully written cable — with chapters titled “Excuses, Excuses, Excuses” and “Theatrical Production” — diplomats described attending what was billed as a drug bonfire that had been staged by the Guinean government to demonstrate its commitment to combating the drug trade.

Senior Guinean officials, including the country’s drug czar, the chief of police and the justice minister, watched as officers set fire to what the government claimed was about 350 pounds of marijuana and 860 pounds of cocaine, valued at $6.5 million.

In reality, American diplomats wrote, the whole incineration was a sham. Informants had previously told the embassy that Guinean authorities replaced the cocaine with manioc flour, proving, the diplomats wrote, “that narco-corruption has contaminated” the government of Guinea “at the highest levels.”

And it did not take the D.E.A.’s sophisticated intelligence techniques to figure out the truth. The cable reported that even the ambassador’s driver sniffed out a hoax.

“I know the smell of burning marijuana,” the driver said. “And I didn’t smell anything.”

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Op maandag 27 december 2010 12:50 schreef Morendo het volgende:
Wat zou deze VVD'er van de hele 'drugsdiscussie' vinden?

http://www.vvd.nl/mensen/detail/28/wiet-de-bruijn

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Op maandag 27 december 2010 23:29 schreef Berlitz het volgende:

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Jij denkt dat de kartels hun monopoly gaan opgeven?

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Op maandag 27 december 2010 23:39 schreef sneakypete het volgende:
Dan neem je aan dat armoede misdaad veroorzaakt (dat is discutabel, want niet de hoofdfactor)

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Op maandag 27 december 2010 23:43 schreef sneakypete het volgende:


Wat doen we hier dan nog, als elke maatschappij even goed is omdat smaken eenmaal verschillen?

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Op maandag 27 december 2010 23:58 schreef Berlitz het volgende:

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Als de kartels al verslavingsklinieken aanvallen kan je wel raden wat ze doen met legale drugsdealers.

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Op dinsdag 28 december 2010 00:10 schreef Berlitz het volgende:

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Jij snapt niks van zuid amerika.
Legale producenten zullen worden vermoord net als iedereen die in de weg van de kartels staat.

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Jij denkt serieus dat mensen die mensen die van hun verslaving af proberen te komen vermoorden geen directe concurrenten zullen vermoorden.

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Als het legaal word zal de hoeveelheid verslaafden niet te overzien zijn net als toen de opium in china legaal werd.

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Op dinsdag 28 december 2010 00:21 schreef Mr.44 het volgende:

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alsof iedereen ineens heroïne gaat gebruiken en dan ook nog dat ze het meteen blijven gebruiken

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Op dinsdag 28 december 2010 00:29 schreef Berlitz het volgende:

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Nee.Misschien waar jij woont wel.
Als drugs normaal

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Op dinsdag 28 december 2010 00:33 schreef Berlitz het volgende:

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Wat denk jij dat er gebeurt als heroine legaal word?

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Op dinsdag 28 december 2010 00:41 schreef Berlitz het volgende:

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Als het gebruik niet crimineel is

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Op dinsdag 28 december 2010 00:47 schreef Berlitz het volgende:

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Drugs zijn niet zeer goed verkrijgbaar,

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Op dinsdag 28 december 2010 00:48 schreef Berlitz het volgende:

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In de VS is het net zo illegaal als in nederland dat er hier op word neergekeken is een cultureel iets.

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Op dinsdag 28 december 2010 00:49 schreef Berlitz het volgende:

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Voor junks als jou wel ja de normale nederlander blijft daar buiten.

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Op dinsdag 28 december 2010 00:51 schreef GSbrder het volgende:

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Definieer "Massa's".

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In 2005 gebruikten in Europa naar schatting 4,5 miljoen burgers cocaïne.[14] Cocaïne is daarmee na cannabis, nicotine en alcohol de populairste drug in Europa.

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Ooitgebruik NL
1997 2,6%
2001 2,1%
2005 3,4%

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Op dinsdag 28 december 2010 00:52 schreef Berlitz het volgende:

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Een erg hoge drempel dus je moet een loser zijn die een dealer middennacht laat komen om jou 40 euro voor een gram coke te laten betalen.

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Op dinsdag 28 december 2010 00:53 schreef Berlitz het volgende:

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Ik vraag me toch af of jij in kliniek zit in mijn omgeving merk ik er namelijk niks van.

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Op dinsdag 28 december 2010 01:00 schreef Berlitz het volgende:

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Met vrijwel legaal bedoel ik dat het zeer makkelijk te krijgen is en het gebruik geaccepteerd.

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