[F1] F1 nieuwtjes topic deel 79 - Het gevecht tussen de Lotussen

quote:

Op zondag 12 december 2010 21:11 schreef Walter_Sobchak het volgende:
Las het zojuist ook al: mooie vent die Jos een prima kans gaf en hem geweldig op zijn ballen gaf toen ie spinde in Barcelona. Rip

quote:

Op maandag 13 december 2010 07:58 schreef Big-Ern het volgende:
Maar zou de Schumacher van het afgelopen seizoen nu ook de Schumi zijn geweest als hij binnen Benetton en Ferrari GEEN voorkeursbehandeling zou hebben gehad?

quote:

Op maandag 13 december 2010 16:10 schreef sasquatsch het volgende:

[..]

Diesels wel, maar benzine motoren gaan niet verder dan zo'n 200 bar inspuiting.

De F1 zou met deze regelgeving nu weer een voortrekkersrol kunnen gaan spelen om zowel de performance als efficiency van gewone straatauto's te kunnen verbeteren. Zeker nu het aantal te gebruiken motoren wordt verminderd. Hier kunnen dus bedrijven als Volkswagen, Ferrari, Mercedes, Renault en Lotus op meeliften door hun (sport)wagens van deze technologie te gaan voorzien, waardoor die duurzamer (zuiniger) worden zonder aan performance in te boeten.

quote:

FIA to impose curfew on personnel

Formula 1 will impose a curfew on team personnel next season in a bid to try and cut down on the working hours expected of staff.

Following concerns expressed by the new outfits in particular at the start of 2010, when they worked around the clock at the first few races of the campaign, the FIA has agreed on a working limit from the beginning of next year.

In its published 2011 F1 sporting regulations that appeared on Monday following last week's ratification by the World Motor Sport Council, the FIA announced the details of the curfew.

The curfew will be from midnight to 6am when practice starts at 10am and from 1am to 7am if practice starts at 11am.

"No team personnel who are associated in any way with the operation of the cars are permitted within the confines of the circuit during two six hour periods which commence ten hours before the scheduled start times of P1 and P3," stated the regulations.

"However, each team will be permitted four individual exceptions to the above during a Championship season."

The FIA has also announced that for next year only teams will be allowed a penalty-free gearbox change - with units now due to last for five events.

Article 28.6 f) stages: "For 2011 only, except during the last Event of the Championship season, each driver will be permitted to use a replacement gearbox without incurring a penalty the first time this becomes necessary during the season. Under such circumstances the replacement gearbox will only be required to complete the remainder of the Event in question."

The FIA also confirmed the tyre regulations for 2011 following the return of Pirelli to Formula 1 as the official tyre supplier.

For next season, each driver will have a nominated three sets of dry weather tyres for use in P1 and P2, with one set returned after each session. A further eight sets are then available for the rest of the weekend, with one set handed back before qualifying.

The FIA also confirmed how penalties will be handed out if drivers do not use both tyres of dry weather tyres during races.

"If the race is suspended and cannot be re-started, thirty seconds will be added to the elapsed time of any driver who was unable to use both specifications of dry-weather tyre during the race," stated the regulations. "However, any driver who completes the race without using both specifications of dry-weather tyre will be excluded from the race results."

As well as confirming the details of well-known technical changes, including moveable rear wings plus the banning of driver-activated F-ducts and double diffusers, the FIA confirmed the 107% per cent rule which will see cars not quick enough in Q1 excluded from starting the races.

The full regulations can be found here.

quote:

Op dinsdag 14 december 2010 10:33 schreef sasquatsch het volgende:

[..]

Het gaat ook niet over de kosten, maar over de veiligheid.

quote:

Op dinsdag 14 december 2010 11:49 schreef sasquatsch het volgende:

[..]

Als de monteur door vermoeidheid (na een hele nacht doorwerken) een fout maakt die een crash tot gevolg kan hebben, vind ik dat de FIA het recht heeft om dit te verbieden omdat zij over de veiligheid op de baan gaan.

quote:

Op dinsdag 14 december 2010 17:04 schreef sasquatsch het volgende:

De safetycar is er voor de veiligheid, niet om de show te verbeteren.

quote:

Op dinsdag 14 december 2010 17:04 schreef sasquatsch het volgende:

[..]

Onzin. Coureurs hebben er al voordeel van dat er een safetycar is. Zouden ze hierdoor nog meer voordeel krijgen doordat ze achterblijvers niet meer hoeven in te halen , terwijl ze dat zonder safetycar wel zouden moeten.

De safetycar is er voor de veiligheid, niet om de show te verbeteren.

quote:

Op dinsdag 14 december 2010 17:34 schreef Burnie88 het volgende:

[..]

Niet mee eens. De safetycar zorgt voor oneerlijke toestanden, denk even terug aan Valencia 2010. Alonso die gigantisch genaaid wordt omdat de SC op het verkeerde moment naar buiten komt.

quote:

De satetycar is er dan misschien voor de veiligheid, het is inherent dat hierdoor de spanning terugkomt in de wedstrijd omdat het veld weer bij elkaar komt. Dat moet niet verpest worden door een stel Lotussen of Toro Rosso's die niks te zoeken hebben tussen P3 en P4. Aangezien het altijd zo chaotisch is als het maar kan, zullen die Lotussen en/of Toro Rosso's ook niet enorm van het gas gaan om maar even de top 10 er langs te laten, dan verpesten zij hun eigen positie ten opzichte van hun concurrentie.

De oplossing is dus simpel; achterblijvers weghalen uit het verkeer. Dit doen ze bij de IndyCar ook en dat is prima. Als je één rondje achterstand hebt, weet je dan trouwens ook nagenoeg zeker dat dat één rondje blijft, dus het lijkt mij een eerlijk systeem.

quote:

Op dinsdag 14 december 2010 17:45 schreef Peterselieman het volgende:

[..]

Dat mag nu al niet meer, maar ik kan me de race in Brazilië dit jaar herinneren waarbij de safety car er voor gezorgd heeft dat de eerste zeven in de race een ronde voorsprong hadden op de rest van het veld, terwijl ik meen Schumacher voor het ongeval dat de safety car inluidde slechts enkele seconden voor de achtste plaats reed. De coureurs die achter Vettel reden werden hierdoor behoorlijk genaaid, omdat ze net op een ronde waren gezet.

[..]

Klopt. Wat je ook kunt doen is alle achterblijvers op volgorde uit de groep halen en af laten zakken naar de staart, waarbij hun onderlinge volgorde niet verandert. Degenen die al in de leidende ronde zaten zullen hierdoor allemaal vooraan komen te rijden.

Iedereen die zich af laat zakken krijgt dan een rondje terug.

quote:

Korean Grand Prix organiser Yung Cho Chung says he has no doubts that his event has a bright future on the back of a boost from the government and a coveted award from the FIA.

Chung was in Monaco last weekend to collect his Race Promoters' Trophy at the FIA Prize Gala - awarded to him for the efforts that were made to get his grand prix track ready in time for last year's inaugural F1 race.

But better than that, the future prospects for Korea have been boosted by the event receiving major financial support from the national and local government with Prime Minister Kim Hwang-sik having attended the race in October.

Speaking to AUTOSPORT, Chung said he was delighted with how things looked for the future as he admitted that things had not been ideal because of the delays in circuit construction for this year's race.

"It was really hard this year," he explained. "I never thought about the prospect of delaying the race, but the weather was terrible. And then another bad thing was that the international media kept saying the race might not happen.

"So on the one hand I had to concentrate on the construction, and then there was a problem with the marketing side because people were trying to cancel tickets. But all that has gone now and I think next year will be great. This [race promoters'] prize encourages me for next year to do a better job, so I will do my best.

"I did my best this year and I think the FOM and FIA realised that we worked so hard, and that is why they gave us this prize."

Chung said the feedback from the government after the race was hugely positive and multi-million pound financial commitments have already been made for the future.

"The central government did not realise how big the F1 was, but now they have realised and the national assembly has already approved a major backing for next year.

"And also local government has realised it is good for the economy, so there will be a lot more involvement from local and central government for next year, with tourism and developing other areas. I really appreciate that they will now support it."

When asked about the areas that will be focused on for track improvements in 2011, Chung said: "We will complete the rest of the infrastructure and the grandstands will all be finished with their seats. We will try and put more trees and more grass there so it is a much nicer environment and we try to make another road for traffic to get in and out. Everything will be better."

Chung also said that at least two new hotels were scheduled for construction near the track, to help improve the accommodation options, and the some changes were likely to be made to the track layout too.

"I am still considering some modifications to Turn 17 and the pit lane in," he said. "This proved harder for the driver than I thought, so I am working with the FIA now. I have discussed with Charlie [Whiting] and I think there will be some minor changes in that area."

SPOILER

Om spoilers te kunnen lezen moet je zijn ingelogd. Je moet je daarvoor eerst gratis Registreren. Ook kun je spoilers niet lezen als je een ban hebt.

quote:

Op woensdag 15 december 2010 14:38 schreef Sally het volgende:
Ik heb hier nog geen tvp... Schandalig!

SPOILER

Om spoilers te kunnen lezen moet je zijn ingelogd. Je moet je daarvoor eerst gratis Registreren. Ook kun je spoilers niet lezen als je een ban hebt.

quote:

Op woensdag 15 december 2010 14:33 schreef rooneyelst het volgende:

FIA Gala 2010 - F1 Season Highlights (HQ)

quote:

Op woensdag 15 december 2010 18:16 schreef Klonk het volgende:
Mooi overzichtje van alle nieuwe regels, incl plaatjes

http://jalopnik.com/57134(...)echnical-regulations

quote:

Group Lotus CEO Dany Bahar has revealed his company did try and broker a deal for an official tie-up with Tony Fernandes in Formula 1 - but says the conditions put to them on the table made it a no-brainer to go and back Renault instead.

With F1 still facing the prospect of there being two Lotus names in the sport next year, Bahar has offered some extra insight into why his company chose to become title sponsor and shareholder of Renault rather than throwing its weight behind Lotus Racing.

Speaking at the RAC Club in London during a Lotus media lunch on Wednesday, Bahar said that his company had originally sought a solution with Fernandes - but said when a deal with Renault was on offer for around a third of the price it was obvious which route had to be taken.

"A question that has come up many times was why did you not find an amicable solution with Tony Fernandes? Well we tried," he said.

"Let me just say when the counter proposals are so ridiculous and absurd, it makes no sense to continue these discussions. And if you can go with a top five team that is maybe one third of the cost that was asked by the other side, then that makes sense.

"We do not have the financial resources, and we don't have the time to invest in a newly formed team that really deserves respect. By buying into an existing one which is well financed, which has the right partners in there, it was just the more conservative approach and we just wanted to fight at the top end of the grid. And that should not sound disrespectful to anyone, but we have such an ambitious plan ahead of us, we don't want to lose time and we want to support the brand out there."

When asked by AUTOSPORT whether he shared Fernandes' view that it would have been a perfect solution for the two entities to tie up, Bahar said: "Yes, I think so. If the price had been right and if some conditions would have been more realistic, then I believe this would have been the right approach.

"We were not afraid of partnering with Mr Fernandes, but as I said, there is one way that Lotus does business - and this is getting involved and not just putting the logo on the car. We need to be involved in the management. We need to take decisions together. We need to fund it together as well, which is fine, but it cannot just be that we are seen as a sponsor, we pay the cheque and everything else is run by someone else. That is something that we will never do. And even if it is a public perception, it will never happen.

"But, as I said before, if we have to take a detour for one year or two years in order to reach control, then we will take this into consideration as long as our brand is respectfully presented and we have the maximum benefits of it for our support and sales. But it was not just the price. There were many elements that meant we could not find the deal."

Bahar has hit back at any suggestions that he had deliberately gone out of his way to scupper Fernandes' F1 ambitions

"Although the public perception is I am the bad guy and I am doing everything I can to sabotage them, this is complete nonsense," he explained. "You cannot imagine that Dany Bahar can influence prime ministers, the board of Lotus, the board of Proton, the shareholders. There are so many people involved and it would not make sense.

"We have to see it a little bit from a reality point of view. We believe F1 is a very good way to flag our brand values for now and for the future. It is the right transportation if you want - and absolutely 100 per cent what we communicate for the future. From that perspective everyone is in agreement."

Bahar also says he is optimistic that a solution will be found between Fernandes and Lotus parent company Proton about the use of the Team Lotus name in F1, which will end once and for all current confusion over the brand's activities in F1.

"The legal battle is what it is," he said. "Will be there be four Lotus cars or two Lotus teams out there? I have no idea. My personal opinion is I don't believe so. I think our shareholders and the other team will probably get to an amicable solution, I hope so, but if not there is always a court who will decide who is right and who is wrong.

"We do not crave to be Team Lotus. We do not want to be Team Lotus. We do not want to change our name to Team Lotus. That is not us. It was a glorious past.

"The Lotus Group was a separate company, but it is part of Mr Chapman's empire if you want. We see it as part of the car manufacturer, whether it was used to support sales or to raise money - it was under one umbrella and they were two different companies. Maybe some formalities will confirm that.

"That is why we believe Team Lotus should be kept where it is. It is a glorious brand. They achieved a lot and they should rest in peace. We as Group Lotus and Chapman himself used Lotus to promote the cars, and we will be doing the same. We are not doing anything wrong; it is what the brand has always done. We see it as a marketing tool.

"The only thing we believe we have a right to is to the name Lotus. If you see any car, whether it is a F1 car or a road car, that is our right - we believe this is the right way for the brand and our lawyers believe we are on strong legal ground saying that Lotus is a brand that belongs to Lotus Cars. So we are not fighting to be Team Lotus.

"We want to use our brand as much as possible, we have a very big promotional budget for the next few years in F1, based around our existing cars, and that is all we want to do. I don't believe any judge in any court in the world can stop us from promoting our brand in any sport, so the fight is not us against Team Lotus."

quote:

Op donderdag 16 december 2010 20:54 schreef Googolplexian het volgende:
Ook die Amerikaan weer eens in het nieuws

Scott Speed upset over lawsuit

quote:

Op donderdag 16 december 2010 21:12 schreef nils7 het volgende:

[..]

Marketing technisch is het natuurlijk een briljante naam!

quote:

Op woensdag 15 december 2010 18:16 schreef Klonk het volgende:
Mooi overzichtje van alle nieuwe regels, incl plaatjes

http://jalopnik.com/57134(...)echnical-regulations

quote:

Op zaterdag 18 december 2010 14:37 schreef nils7 het volgende:
Is die Docu van Senna al uit?

quote:

Op zaterdag 18 december 2010 20:16 schreef Googolplexian het volgende:
Ik ben benieuwd hoe vaak Ferrari gaat dreigen te stoppen voor het seizoen begint. ^^ Traditie-getrouw altijd wel minimaal één keer.

quote:

Op zaterdag 18 december 2010 22:14 schreef ElmarO het volgende:
Geen idee of het klopt, maar toch. De mogelijke Ferrari voor 2011:

http://www.marca.com/2010/12/18/motor/formula1/1292688236.html

quote:

Op zondag 19 december 2010 10:47 schreef Googolplexian het volgende:

[..]

Kan niet kloppen, lijkt me. Ik zie verschillende punten die volgens de post van Klonk over de regulations niet meer mogen, zoals de haaievin, dubbele spoiler-struts en 13% spaak-oppervlak (en meer).

quote:

Op zondag 19 december 2010 11:33 schreef Googolplexian het volgende:
Ah

Ferrari renews threat of breakaway series

En dat is één

quote:

Op zaterdag 18 december 2010 22:14 schreef ElmarO het volgende:
Er komen weer onderhandelingen voor een Concorde Agreement voor 2013 en later, dus heel FOTA zal wel weer gaan dreigen.

quote:

Op zondag 19 december 2010 11:16 schreef ElmarO het volgende:

[..]

Leek mij ook niet echt te kloppen, maar ik dacht ik post het toch maar. Misschien zit er ergens wel een kern van waarheid in. We zullen het voorlopig toch een beetje met speculeren moeten doen.

quote:

Op zondag 19 december 2010 12:07 schreef sanger het volgende:

[..]

heb je die sidepods gezien

quote:

Op zondag 19 december 2010 13:51 schreef ElmarO het volgende:

[..]

De linker ziet er anders uit dan de rechter.

quote:

Op zaterdag 18 december 2010 19:58 schreef Sally het volgende:

[..]

Bedoel je deze?

Senna, Beyond The Speed of Sound

quote:

Op zondag 19 december 2010 13:51 schreef ElmarO het volgende:

[..]

De linker ziet er anders uit dan de rechter.