Amerikaanse verkiezingen # 56

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"Mike Thompson has been a baaaaaad boy. We all said no to the bailout, but Thompson backed Bush. Just like he did with the Patriot act, uhhhhhh, vote YESSSSSSSSS! for Zane."

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I take the credit or the blame for the statement that went out today. The unpaid staffer who recorded and submitted the message may have been a little overly enthusiastic in the delivery, but I believe it is good to get enthusiasm back into politics.
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http://www.huffingtonpost(...)e-laun_n_138193.html

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Two women walk out of John McCain’s Mid-West headquarters carrying a pile of voter canvassing sheets, one sports a baseball hat declaring her a “team leader” of the Republican campaign. And both are black — an unusual sight in an election where Barack Obama’s support among African Americans is almost monolithic.

Are they volunteers? They look at each other sheepishly. “Not exactly,” replies one. “We work for an employment agency,” says the other. Who are they voting for? “I don’t want to say,” says the first woman. “Obama — of course!” whispers the braver of the pair.

They laugh, then look over their shoulders at the office behind them. “Don’t give him your name, he’ll put it in the paper,” says the cautious one, explaining that they cannot afford to lose their $10-an-hour (£6) jobs. “This is embarrassing. We’re doing this because we have to live. At least none of our friends can see us. We’re from Chicago — like Obama.”

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http://www.timesonline.co(...)s/article5019585.ece

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Republikeinen likken nu al wonden



ACHTERGROND, Van onze correspondent Philippe Remarque
gepubliceerd op 27 oktober 2008 04:59, bijgewerkt op 27 oktober 2008 11:45

WASHINGTON - Acht dagen voor de Amerikaanse presidentsverkiezingen wordt het Republikeinse kamp geplaagd door desertie. Ook is er een onderlinge strijd losgebarsten over wat er fout is gegaan in de campagne.

Op televisie verschijnen na Colin Powell nu ook andere Republikeinen die Barack Obama aanprijzen. Zoals William Weld, ex-gouverneur van Massachusetts: ‘Senator Obama is een once-in-a-lifetime-kandidaat die onze politiek zal transformeren en Amerika’s reputatie in de wereld zal herstellen.’

Ex-gouverneur van Minnesota Arne Carlson denkt dat Obama ‘de potentie heeft een waarlijk grote president te worden’. Hij bekritiseert de keuze voor running mate Sarah Palin, en de ‘oppervlakkige campagne, gebaseerd op angst en verdachtmaking die eruit voort is gekomen’.

Havik
De veteraan en defensie-havik Ken Adelman vindt dat John McCain zijn twee belangrijkste pluspunten – ervaring en het vooropstellen van het landsbelang – door Palin onbruikbaar heeft gemaakt. McCain was tijdens de economische crisis volgens hem ‘stormachtig, inconsistent en onvoorzichtig, op het einde gewoon maf’.

Terwijl president George W. Bush en zijn vrouw Laura hun stem afgelopen week vervroegd uitbrachten op John McCain, vertelde Bush’ afvallige ex-perssecretaris Scott McClellan dat hij op Obama gaat stemmen omdat die Washington kan veranderen.

Op 4 november vinden ook verkiezingen plaats voor het Huis van Afgevaardigden en voor een deel van de Senaat. De Republikeinse kandidaten voor die zetels beginnen zich te distantiëren van presidentskandidaat McCain.

Hun laatste argument is dat er geen één-partijregering in Washington mag ontstaan. In televisiespotjes waarschuwt Elizabeth Dole, een senator die haar zetel dreigt te verliezen, dat de Democraten een ‘blanco cheque’ krijgen als haar opponent wint.

Defaitisme
In het McCain-kamp wordt intussen tegen defaitisme gestreden. Campagnestrateeg Steve Schmidt hield twee weken geleden zijn medewerkers op het McCain-hoofdkwartier voor dat je geen verliezer bent als je strijdt voor iets dat mislukt. ‘Een verliezer ben je pas als je in een foetus-houding gaat liggen bij tegenslag en opgeeft voordat alles voorbij is.’

Maar volgens het goed geïnformeerde Politico.com wordt op het hoofdkwartier in de verleden tijd over de campagne gesproken. Een Republikein in het bedrijfsleven meldt dat hij al telefoontjes en cv’s van McCain-medewerkers krijgt.

En de verwijten vliegen over en weer – uiteraard anoniem. ‘Onze campagne voerde van de ene tactiek naar de volgende’, zegt een hoge medewerker in de New York Times. De krant biedt in een groot magazineverhaal alvast een desolate terugblik op de improvisaties van McCains campagnestaf.

Slecht geadviseerd
Sarah Palins getrouwen laten uitlekken dat ze ‘volledig verkeerd begeleid en slecht geadviseerd’ is door McCains medewerkers, die haar te veel hebben weggehouden van de media. McCain-loyalisten vuren terug: Palin stelt zich op als een ‘diva’. ‘Haar gebrek aan basiskennis van sommige belangrijke thema’s was dramatisch.’

We komen in de ‘zwartepieten-en-jezelf-positioneren-voor-de-geschiedenis-fase van de campagne’, stelt een ex-adviseur van McCain. ‘Het is nu iedereen voor zichzelf.’

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Op maandag 27 oktober 2008 21:35 schreef Fokski het volgende:
Zittende Alaska senator Stevens schuldig bevonden in corruptieproces.

http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/story?id=6088781&page=1

Zijn naam kan niet van de ballot af dus bijna zeker een Democratische senator erbij.

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Op maandag 27 oktober 2008 21:40 schreef Monidique het volgende:
Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives

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Op maandag 27 oktober 2008 21:56 schreef Fokski het volgende:

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Stevens is een heel sterke kandidaat. Als hij werd vrijgesproken dan zou hij gewoon gewonnen hebben. De peilingen hebben natuurlijk in het achterhoofd dat hij schuldig zou zijn. Dit zijn alle peilingen in oktober:

Ivan Moore 10/17-19/08 500 LV 45-46 +1D
DailyKos.com (D)/Research 2000 10/14-16/08 600 LV 46-48 +2D
Rasmussen 10/6/08 500 LV 49-48 +1R
Ivan Moore 10/3-6/08 500 LV 45-49 +4D

Rasmussen had Stevens licht aan de leiding. Stevens zit al 40 jaar in de senaat en heeft straten die zijn naam dragen in Alaska. Een senator is relatief veel belangrijker voor een kleine staat dan een governeur en als je dat 40 jaar vol houdt dan doe je het goed.

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If Ted Stevens refuses to resign upon his conviction, he faces expulsion, which has been extremely rare in the history of the U.S. Senate.

Only four senators have been convicted of crimes in the 200 plus years of the chamber's history.

Here's a handy backgrounder from the Senate Web site:

Expulsion:

"Article I, Section 5, of the United States Constitution provides that "Each House [of Congress] may determine the Rules of its proceedings, punish its members for disorderly behavior, and, with the concurrence of two-thirds, expel a member."

Since 1789, the Senate has expelled only 15 of its entire membership. Of that number, fourteen were charged with support of the Confederacy during the Civil War. In several other cases, the Senate considered expulsion proceedings but either found the member not guilty or failed to act before the member left office. In those cases, corruption was the primary cause of complaint."

In the entire course of the Senate's history, only four members have been convicted of crimes. They were: Joseph R. Burton (1905), John Hipple Mitchell (1905), Truman H. Newberry (1920), and Harrison Williams (1981). Newberry's conviction was later overturned. Mitchell died. Burton, Newberry, and Williams resigned before the Senate could act on their expulsion."

http://www.politico.com/b(...)expulsion_rules.html

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Op maandag 27 oktober 2008 22:23 schreef Caesu het volgende:

Series of Tubes

die gaan ze wel missen in de senaat.
Stevens was namelijk de internet-expert daar.

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Hagel: Palin "Arguably The Thinnest-Résumé Candidate" For VP In U.S. History

In early June, Senators Chuck Hagel and John McCain met in Hagel's office on Capitol Hill. McCain, the presumptive Republican Presidential nominee, considered Hagel--a fellow-Republican and the senior senator from Nebraska--among his closest friends in Congress. Six months earlier, in December, 2007, McCain's campaign manager, Rick Davis, had asked Hagel to endorse McCain and campaign with him in the upcoming primaries. Hagel had demurred. ...

Hagel skipped the Republican Convention, choosing instead to go, with two aides, on a fact-finding trip to Latin America. He did hear McCain's speech, which, in its evocation of the need to bridge a disabling partisan divide, echoed the theme of his discussion with McCain in their meeting in June. But, Hagel said, he's been "very disappointed" by McCain's campaign. "He gave one unifying speech and then has spent fifty million dollars to destroy his opponent."

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Dozens Of Call Center Workers Walk Off Job In Protest Rather Than Read McCain Script Attacking Obama

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Nina Williams, a stay-at-home mom in Lake County, Indiana, tells us that her daughter recently called her from her job at the center, upset that she had been asked to read a script attacking Obama for being "dangerously weak on crime," "coddling criminals," and for voting against "protecting children from danger."

Williams' daughter told her that up to 40 of her co-workers had refused to read the script, and had left the call center after supervisors told them that they would have to either read the call or leave, Williams says. The call center is called Americall, and it's located in Hobart, IN.

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"We were asked to read something saying [Obama and Democrats] were against protecting children from danger," this worker said. "I wouldn't do it. A lot of people left. They thought it was disgusting."

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Op maandag 27 oktober 2008 23:28 schreef IedeK. het volgende:
mooi stuk op nederland 2 over John McCain

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Sarah Palin's War on ScienceThe GOP ticket's appalling contempt for knowledge and learning.
By Christopher HitchensPosted Monday, Oct. 27, 2008, at 11:43 AM ET

Sarah Palin. Click image to expand.Sarah PalinIn an election that has been fought on an astoundingly low cultural and intellectual level, with both candidates pretending that tax cuts can go like peaches and cream with the staggering new levels of federal deficit, and paltry charges being traded in petty ways, and with Joe the Plumber becoming the emblematic stupidity of the campaign, it didn't seem possible that things could go any lower or get any dumber. But they did last Friday, when, at a speech in Pittsburgh, Gov. Sarah Palin denounced wasteful expenditure on fruit-fly research, adding for good xenophobic and anti-elitist measure that some of this research took place "in Paris, France" and winding up with a folksy "I kid you not."

It was in 1933 that Thomas Hunt Morgan won a Nobel Prize for showing that genes are passed on by way of chromosomes. The experimental creature that he employed in the making of this great discovery was the Drosophila melanogaster, or fruit fly. Scientists of various sorts continue to find it a very useful resource, since it can be easily and plentifully "cultured" in a laboratory, has a very short generation time, and displays a great variety of mutation. This makes it useful in studying disease, and since Gov. Palin was in Pittsburgh to talk about her signature "issue" of disability and special needs, she might even have had some researcher tell her that there is a Drosophila-based center for research into autism at the University of North Carolina. The fruit fly can also be a menace to American agriculture, so any financing of research into its habits and mutations is money well-spent. It's especially ridiculous and unfortunate that the governor chose to make such a fool of herself in Pittsburgh, a great city that remade itself after the decline of coal and steel into a center of high-tech medical research.
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In this case, it could be argued, Palin was not just being a fool in her own right but was following a demagogic lead set by the man who appointed her as his running mate. Sen. John McCain has made repeated use of an anti-waste and anti-pork ad (several times repeated and elaborated in his increasingly witless speeches) in which the expenditure of $3 million to study the DNA of grizzly bears in Montana was derided as "unbelievable." As an excellent article in the Feb. 8, 2008, Scientific American pointed out, there is no way to enforce the Endangered Species Act without getting some sort of estimate of numbers, and the best way of tracking and tracing the elusive grizzly is by setting up barbed-wire hair-snagging stations that painlessly take samples from the bears as they lumber by and then running the DNA samples through a laboratory. The cost is almost trivial compared with the importance of understanding this species, and I dare say the project will yield results in the measurement of other animal populations as well, but all McCain could do was be flippant and say that he wondered whether it was a "paternity" or "criminal" issue that the Fish and Wildlife Service was investigating. (Perhaps those really are the only things that he associates in his mind with DNA.)

With Palin, however, the contempt for science may be something a little more sinister than the bluff, empty-headed plain-man's philistinism of McCain. We never get a chance to ask her in detail about these things, but she is known to favor the teaching of creationism in schools (smuggling this crazy idea through customs in the innocent disguise of "teaching the argument," as if there was an argument), and so it is at least probable that she believes all creatures from humans to fruit flies were created just as they are now. This would make DNA or any other kind of research pointless, whether conducted in Paris or not. Projects such as sequencing the DNA of the flu virus, the better to inoculate against it, would not need to be funded. We could all expire happily in the name of God. Gov. Palin also says that she doesn't think humans are responsible for global warming; again, one would like to ask her whether, like some of her co-religionists, she is a "premillenial dispensationalist"—in other words, someone who believes that there is no point in protecting and preserving the natural world, since the end of days will soon be upon us.

Videos taken in the Assembly of God church in Wasilla, Alaska, which she used to attend, show her nodding as a preacher says that Alaska will be "one of the refuge states in the Last Days." For the uninitiated, this is a reference to a crackpot belief, widely held among those who brood on the "End Times," that some parts of the world will end at different times from others, and Alaska will be a big draw as the heavens darken on account of its wide open spaces. An article by Laurie Goodstein in the New York Times gives further gruesome details of the extreme Pentecostalism with which Palin has been associated in the past (perhaps moderating herself, at least in public, as a political career became more attractive). High points, also available on YouTube, show her being "anointed" by an African bishop who claims to cast out witches. The term used in the trade for this hysterical superstitious nonsense is "spiritual warfare," in which true Christian soldiers are trained to fight demons. Palin has spoken at "spiritual warfare" events as recently as June. And only last week the chiller from Wasilla spoke of "prayer warriors" in a radio interview with James Dobson of Focus on the Family, who said that he and his lovely wife, Shirley, had convened a prayer meeting to beseech that "God's perfect will be done on Nov. 4."

This is what the Republican Party has done to us this year: It has placed within reach of the Oval Office a woman who is a religious fanatic and a proud, boastful ignoramus. Those who despise science and learning are not anti-elitist. They are morally and intellectually slothful people who are secretly envious of the educated and the cultured. And those who prate of spiritual warfare and demons are not just "people of faith" but theocratic bullies. On Nov. 4, anyone who cares for the Constitution has a clear duty to repudiate this wickedness and stupidity.
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Op dinsdag 28 oktober 2008 04:34 schreef Dr.Daggla het volgende:

Barack Obama: Closing Argument (Full Speech)

Iets meer dan een half uur duurt ie

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Op dinsdag 28 oktober 2008 07:18 schreef MikeyMo het volgende:
nog een weekje, ik ben heeeel erg benieuwd...

toch kan ik er niet bij dat toch nog 40% van de Amerikanen op zo'n McPalin gaan stemmen. Nog vreemder dat men Mccain gaat stemmen omdat Hilary de voorverkiezingen heeft verloren

Uiteindelijk zou het om ideeen moeten gaan, maar uiteindelijk draait het voor een boel toch nog om poppetjes

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Op dinsdag 28 oktober 2008 07:18 schreef MikeyMo het volgende:
toch kan ik er niet bij dat toch nog 40% van de Amerikanen op zo'n McPalin gaan stemmen.

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Op dinsdag 28 oktober 2008 08:18 schreef Re het volgende:
nog 1 weektje

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Op dinsdag 28 oktober 2008 08:38 schreef Caesu het volgende:
deze campagne duurde ook zo'n 22 maanden.
dus over 2 jaar zal Palin wel weer haar dingetje gaan doen hier en daar.

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Op dinsdag 28 oktober 2008 08:36 schreef Boze_Appel het volgende:

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Dan zijn we eindelijk weer voor vier jaar van al dat gejankbek af.

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Op dinsdag 28 oktober 2008 08:43 schreef Montov het volgende:
Over twee jaar weer verkiezingen, en de campagnes duren twee jaar.

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Pollsters Struggle to Handicap Presidential Race
Barack Obama's leading in virtually every national poll, but his margin fluctuates wildly -- suggesting that in some cases, the numbers do in fact lie.

Barack Obama's been leading John McCain in almost every national poll since late September, and it may seem like he's got the election all sewn up.

But the Democratic presidential nominee's margin has fluctuated wildly, anywhere from 1 to 13 points in the past two weeks alone. And a few recent polls are even within the margin of error, suggesting McCain could actually be leading among certain sets of voters.

This doesn't mean the surveys are masking a widespread McCain advantage -- he's still trailing in most major battlegrounds needed to secure the election. But survey disparities are so great this year as to suggest that the numbers, contrary to the old adage, sometimes do lie.

Part of the problem? The sheer amount of polls being conducted across the country.

FOX News political analyst Karl Rove said by his count, there have been 177 national polls conducted as of Oct. 24, compared with 55 at the same time in 2004.

"The proliferation of polls, particularly polls run by universities that may not have the skill and capability that a professional polling outfit has, are really not helpful to the process, in my opinion," Rove said.

But some of the inconsistencies in the polls this year can also be traced to the method used by the pollsters.

The "expanded" Gallup poll, unlike the "traditional" one, includes those citizens who call themselves likely voters but who've never actually voted before.

"This year, I think all pollsters are concerned about how they're defining 'likely' voters, and trying to understand turnout," FOX News polling director Dana Blanton said. "There's been so much attention placed on new registration and enthusiasm among the electorate, and it's just -- it's extremely hard to figure out that, that piece of the puzzle."

Obama held a 10-point lead Monday in Gallup's expanded poll, but only a 5-point lead in their traditional poll.

Karlyn Bowman, who studies public opinion for the American Enterprise Institute, urged voters to examine the wording and sequencing of a poll's questions, to be wary of sudden spikes -- and to shop around.

"If you see a huge change in let's say the McCain-Obama margin overall, you might want to think about whether or not there has been something that's happened that would produce that kind of extraordinary change," she said. "But I think it's important to look at one poll, and then to compare that poll to other polls, and that's the way you can be an educated consumer."

A survey of the polling landscape shows the latest CBS News/New York Times poll to be the outlier, placing Obama up by 13 points.

A FOX News/Opinion Dynamics Poll last week had Obama up by 9 points.

Investor's Business Daily, which came closest to nailing the race between President Bush and John Kerry in 2004 (within four-tenths of a point), has the current presidential race within the margin of error. And The Associated Press recently reported a virtual tie.

With polls still fluctuating but mostly showing Obama in the lead, the Illinois senator says he's taking nothing for granted.

"Don't believe for a second this election is over. Don't think for a minute that power concedes," Obama said Monday in Canton, Ohio. "We have to work like our future depends on it in this last week, because it does depend on it in this last week."

McCain, meanwhile, is pledging to stun the pundits on Election Day.

"Let me give you the state of the race today. There's eight days to go. We're a few points down. The pundits have written us off, just like they've done before," McCain said Monday in Ohio. "Senator Obama's measuring the drapes ... You know I guess I'm old fashioned about these things. I prefer to let the voters weigh in before predicting the outcome."

Both Blanton and Bowman said there appears to be no evidence of a so-called "bandwagon effect" in American elections -- the idea that widespread dissemination of polling data trending a certain way will cause voters to in turn move in that direction. Such an effect might have led to a Hillary Clinton-Rudy Giuliani pairing, once the favorites in their respective races.

Experts say the "bandwagon" effect might be more common in places like Israel or Great Britain, where election cycles are much shorter.

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Obama's Education Groups Funded Controversial Organizations in the '90s, Tax Returns Show
Barack Obama's boards gave tens of thousands to ACORN and more than $1 million to racially charged organizations, a study of tax returns shows.

The Annenberg Challenge and the Woods Fund of Chicago funded numerous controversial groups while Barack Obama served on their boards between 1995 and 2002, an analysis of their tax returns shows.

In 2001, when Obama was a part-time director of The Woods Fund of Chicago, it gave $75,000 to ACORN, the voter registration group now under investigation for voter fraud in 12 states.

The Woods Fund also gave $6,000 to the Rev. Jeremiah Wright's Trinity United Church of Christ, which Obama attended. The reason for the donation to the church is unclear -- it is simply listed as "for special purposes" in the group's IRS tax form.

It gave a further $60,000 to the Children and Family Justice Center at Northwestern University, which was founded and run by Bernardine Dohrn, the wife of domestic terrorist William Ayers and, with her husband, a former member of the 1960s radical group the Weather Underground.

Other controversial donations that year included $50,000 to the Small Schools Network -- which was founded by Ayers and run by Michael Klonsky, a friend of Ayers' and the former chairman of the Communist Party (Marxist-Leninist), an offshoot of the 1960s radical group Students for a Democratic Society -- and $40,000 to the Arab American Action Network, which critics have accused of being anti-Semitic.

The Woods Fund did not respond to questions about the funding.

When Obama co-chaired the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, which calls itself "a public-private partnership improving education for 1.5 million urban and rural public school students," it gave to some of the same groups -- partnering with ACORN to manage funding for schools and giving over $1 million to the Small Schools Network.

It also gave nearly $1 million to a group called the South Shore African Village Collaborative, whose goals, according to Annenberg's archived Web site, are "to develop more collegial relationships between teachers and principals. Professional development topics include school leadership, team building, parent and community involvement, developing thematic units, instructional strategies, strategic planning, and distance learning and teleconferencing."

But the group mentions other goals in its grant application to the Annenberg Challenge:

"Our children need to understand the historical context of our struggles for liberation from those forces that seek to destroy us," one page of the application reads.

Click here to see the application.

Stanley Kurtz, a Senior Fellow at the Ethics and Public Policy Center, found the collaborative's original application when going through Annenberg's archives.

Asked to comment, Yvonne Williams-Kinnison, executive director of the collaborative's parent group, the Coalition for Improved Education in South Shore said, "I don't want to put more fuel on the fire. You can call us back after the election.... I don't want to compromise the position."

Late Afrocentrist scholars Jacob Carruthers and Asa Hilliard were both invited to give SSAVC teachers a training session, the Chicago Annenberg Challenge noted in a report, adding that the "consciousness raising session ... received rave reviews, and has prepared the way for the curriculum readiness survey session."

But Carruthers has been a controversial figure because of inflammatory statements he made in writing.

"The submission to Western civilization and its most outstanding offspring, American civilization, is, in reality, surrender to white supremacy," Carruthers wrote in his 1999 book, "Intellectual Warfare." "Some of us have chosen to reject the culture of our oppressors and recover our disrupted ancestral culture."

In the book, he compared the process of blacks assimilating into American culture with rape.

"We may not be able to get our virginity back after the rape, but we do not have to marry the rapist," Carruthers said.

Hilliard has come under fire for advocating what many consider an extreme Afrocentric curriculum.

He selected the articles for the "African-American Baseline Essays" published in 1987 and first used in the Portland, Ore., school district. The essays have been criticized for claiming, among other things, that ancient Egyptians were the first to discover manned flight and the theory of evolution.

An Obama spokesman called investigation of these ties "pathetic."

"This is another pathetic attempt by FOX News to distract voters from the economic challenges facing this nation by patching together tenuous links to smear Barack Obama," Obama spokesman Ben LaBolt told FOXNews.com.

"The Annenberg Challenge was a bipartisan organization dedicated to improving the performance of students and teachers in Chicago Public Schools that was funded by a Republican philanthropist who was friends with President Reagan and launched by Republican Gov. Jim Edgar."

But Kurtz says those founders of the Annenberg Challenge would not have known the details about to whom their Chicago office -- one of 18 around the country -- was giving money.

"If you read Ayers' proposal to Annenberg, it doesn't sound radical. But if you actually read Ayers' education writings, they are very radical indeed," Kurtz said. "Ayers, like so many other savvy professors, knows enough not to state his actual views frankly when applying for money. But you can find the truth in his writings."

The controversial donations make up only a small portion of the overall amount doled out by the Annenberg and Woods funds. The Woods Fund gave over $3.5 million to 115 different groups in 2001, and the Annenberg Chellenge dispensed nearly $11 million to 63 groups at its height in 1999.

Most of the groups are mainstream and well respected, ranging from the Jazz Institute of Chicago to the Successful Schools Project.

But Kurtz says that this should not obscure what he describes as controversial donations.

"If John McCain had given to white supremacist groups and people said, 'Hey, the majority of funding didn't go to supremacist groups' -- that wouldn't even cut the ice," Kurtz said.

"I feel certain [Obama] knew about these radical groups," Kurtz said. "We know that he read the applications because he made statements about the quality of proposals."

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Op dinsdag 28 oktober 2008 09:39 schreef Bananenman het volgende:
Ja, deze openbaring door FOX zal het tij vast keren.

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Op dinsdag 28 oktober 2008 09:40 schreef laforest het volgende:

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Niet alleen deze maar ik geloof nog steeds in een overwinning voor McCain en Palin, THE Ticket

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Op dinsdag 28 oktober 2008 09:49 schreef Bananenman het volgende:

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Ik weet bij jou nou nooit of je het serieus meent of dat het allemaal een grote grap is. Ik zie namelijk echt niet in waarom iemand dat 'the ticket' zou vinden. Ik heb veel respect voor McCain en zou als ik stemgerechtigd was in de VS zeker hebben overwogen om op hem te stemmen, tot hij zijn VP bekend maakte dan. McCain weet hoe het werkt in Washington en is boven alles gewoon een bewonderenswaardig persoon. Het risico dat hij komt te overlijden en er een gestoorde soccermom aan het roer komt te staan van het machtigste land ter wereld is alleen te groot.

Misschien dat je het al eens uitgelegd hebt waarom je zo'n fan bent van Palin hoor, maar vergeef me het als ik dat over het hoofd gezien heb in de afgelopen 55 topics

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Op dinsdag 28 oktober 2008 08:58 schreef laforest het volgende:

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http://elections.foxnews.(...)-polls-wait-minutes/

Zo zie je maar weer dat die polls gewoon de boel verdraaien

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This doesn't mean the surveys are masking a widespread McCain advantage -- he's still trailing in most major battlegrounds needed to secure the election. But survey disparities are so great this year as to suggest that the numbers, contrary to the old adage, sometimes do lie.

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The "expanded" Gallup poll, unlike the "traditional" one, includes those citizens who call themselves likely voters but who've never actually voted before.

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You know I guess I'm old fashioned about these things. I prefer to let the voters weigh in before predicting the outcome."

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Op dinsdag 28 oktober 2008 10:31 schreef Nielsch het volgende:
laforest heeft zelf toegegeven in het vorige topic dat ie volstrekt achterlijk bezig is, dus niet meer serieus nemen die gast...

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Op dinsdag 28 oktober 2008 11:01 schreef ethiraseth het volgende:
Laforest is weer terug, ik miste onze kleine relkloon al bijna.

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Op dinsdag 28 oktober 2008 11:12 schreef laforest het volgende:

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Ik ben geen relkloon, is was op vakantie in Oostenrijk

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Op dinsdag 28 oktober 2008 10:14 schreef laforest het volgende:
McCain staat voor vernieuwing en verandering, Palin staat voor een harde lijn, een beter milieu en het

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Op dinsdag 28 oktober 2008 11:16 schreef Monolith het volgende:

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Je bent óf een relkloon óf je hebt het IQ van een goudvis.

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Op dinsdag 28 oktober 2008 11:19 schreef laforest het volgende:

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Ik ben geen relkloon noch heb ik het IQ van een goudvis.

Maar ja het is duidelijk dan men hier bij een gebrek aan argumenten gauw de relkloon-kaart speelt.

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Op dinsdag 28 oktober 2008 11:17 schreef Seneca het volgende:

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Hoe krijg je het je strot uit McCain heeft in 90% van de gevallen voor Bush zijn financiele voorstellen gestemd, maar laten we ons in deze discussie vooral niet hinderen door de feiten

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Op dinsdag 28 oktober 2008 11:19 schreef laforest het volgende:

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Ik ben geen relkloon noch heb ik het IQ van een goudvis.

Maar ja het is duidelijk dan men hier bij een gebrek aan argumenten gauw de relkloon-kaart speelt.

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Op dinsdag 28 oktober 2008 11:23 schreef laforest het volgende:

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Uhh McCain heeft zich vaak van Bush gedistancieerd en tegen zijn beleid gestemd.
McCain is wel eens door Romney geslammed omdat hij tegen Bush zijn beleid heeft gestemd en ook bijvoorbeeld:

McCain ran ads accusing Bush of lying and comparing the governor to Bill Clinton, which Bush said was "about as low a blow as you can give in a Republican primary"

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In May 2001, McCain was one of only two Senate Republicans to vote against the Bush tax cuts.

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In May 2003, McCain voted against the second round of Bush tax cuts, saying it was unwise at a time of war.

Etc, etc

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Op dinsdag 28 oktober 2008 11:20 schreef NJ het volgende:
Hoe was het in Oostenrijk, Laforest?

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Op dinsdag 28 oktober 2008 11:25 schreef Seneca het volgende:

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Leuk dat je met twee tegenvoorbeelden komt, maar dat verandert niets aan het feit dat McCain in 90% van de gevallen voor Bush zijn financiele voorstellen heeft gestemd. Maar goed, je kunt ook niet veel anders, want echte argumenten heb je niet.

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Op dinsdag 28 oktober 2008 11:23 schreef laforest het volgende:

In May 2001, McCain was one of only two Senate Republicans to vote against the Bush tax cuts.

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In May 2003, McCain voted against the second round of Bush tax cuts, saying it was unwise at a time of war.

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Op dinsdag 28 oktober 2008 11:26 schreef laforest het volgende:

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Ik heb je net met feiten en jij nu niet

Kom eens met harde cijfers in plaats van je eigen verzinsels..

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Op dinsdag 28 oktober 2008 11:26 schreef laforest het volgende:

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Ik heb je net met feiten en jij nu niet

Kom eens met harde cijfers in plaats van je eigen verzinsels..

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Op dinsdag 28 oktober 2008 11:19 schreef laforest het volgende:

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Ik ben geen relkloon noch heb ik het IQ van een goudvis.

Maar ja het is duidelijk dan men hier bij een gebrek aan argumenten gauw de relkloon-kaart speelt.

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Op dinsdag 28 oktober 2008 11:30 schreef Montov het volgende:

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http://www.factcheck.org/(...)cain_voted_with.html

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Op dinsdag 28 oktober 2008 11:51 schreef Visitor1982 het volgende:
Dat er mensen zijn die nog steeds ingaan op laforrest, een van de meest infantiele posters die ik hier ben tegen gekomen op Fok, onbegrijpelijk.

Wat is volgens jullie trouwens de grootste beleidsverandering, vergeleken met Bush, wanneer Obama president zal worden?

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Op dinsdag 28 oktober 2008 11:51 schreef Visitor1982 het volgende:
Dat er mensen zijn die nog steeds ingaan op laforrest, een van de meest infantiele posters die ik hier ben tegen gekomen op Fok, onbegrijpelijk.

Wat is volgens jullie trouwens de grootste beleidsverandering, vergeleken met Bush, wanneer Obama president zal worden?

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Hij meldde dat er in het campagneteam geen vertrouwensrelatie met Palin meer bestaat. „Ze werkt voor haar eigen toekomst en ziet zichzelf als de nieuwe leider van de partij”, aldus een campagnemedewerker.

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Op dinsdag 28 oktober 2008 11:58 schreef Crackerjacker het volgende:

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Yup, alleen heel vervelend is dat die dude de topic verpest met grote lappen onzin van Foxnews, maar voor de rest idd gewoon die nerd negeren.

Denk dat zowiezo dat de defensie kostenpost drastisch veranderd gaat worden. Geen biljoenen meer naar Irak.

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Op dinsdag 28 oktober 2008 12:01 schreef Rock_de_Braziliaan het volgende:

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Ik ben benieuwd over welke partij zij het heeft.

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Op dinsdag 28 oktober 2008 12:02 schreef Nielsch het volgende:
Ha! Arizona is van Solid McCain naar Leaning McCain gegaan in de peilingen!

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Er staat tegenover dat haar populariteit onder de Republikeinse achterban groot blijft. „Zij is een symbool van de vulgarisering van de politiek”, schreef Peggy Noonan, een voormalige medewerker van Ronald Reagan, onlangs in de Wall Street Journal.

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Als John McCain verliest zal dat de vraag voor de Republikeinen worden: Palins populisme omarmen, of proberen ook de intellectuele vleugel voor de partij te behouden.

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Op dinsdag 28 oktober 2008 12:23 schreef Boze_Appel het volgende:
Gaan jullie 4 november allemaal juichen dat Obama het is geworden?

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Op dinsdag 28 oktober 2008 12:26 schreef Rock_de_Braziliaan het volgende:

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Ik heb een poster van m hangen waar ik elke avond...

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Op dinsdag 28 oktober 2008 12:27 schreef Boze_Appel het volgende:

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Nouja, ik vraag mij serieus af of Obamaenthousiastelingen hier echt verwachten dat er iets gaat veranderen als Obama aan de macht is.

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Op dinsdag 28 oktober 2008 12:27 schreef Boze_Appel het volgende:

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Nouja, ik vraag mij serieus af of Obamaenthousiastelingen hier echt verwachten dat er iets gaat veranderen als Obama aan de macht is.

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Op dinsdag 28 oktober 2008 12:27 schreef Boze_Appel het volgende:

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Nouja, ik vraag mij serieus af of Obamaenthousiastelingen hier echt verwachten dat er iets gaat veranderen als Obama aan de macht is.