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  maandag 8 september 2008 @ 19:11:08 #277
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Op maandag 8 september 2008 19:02 schreef pberends het volgende:
Waarom zakken die hypotheekverstrekkers met 80%?

Zou dat reddingsplan er juist niet voor moeten zorgen dat de aandelen stijgen? Waren de verliezen nog niet ingecalculeerd?
Het bedrijf is straks geen eigendom meer van de aandeelhouders maar van de staat (grotendeels iig)
"If you want to make God laugh, tell him about your plans"
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  maandag 8 september 2008 @ 19:31:38 #278
89730 Drugshond
De Euro. Mislukt vanaf dag 1.
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Wat ik niet begrijp. Waarom wordt de dollar sterker als dit soort maatregelen getroffen moeten worden? of heeft de dalende olieprijs hier ook mee te maken?
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Op maandag 8 september 2008 19:42 schreef ktnxbye het volgende:
Wat ik niet begrijp. Waarom wordt de dollar sterker als dit soort maatregelen getroffen moeten worden? of heeft de dalende olieprijs hier ook mee te maken?
De dollar wordt sterker in die zin dat het heel systeem niet omvalt.

Verder maakt de maatregel de dollar zwakker omdat de rotte appels maar blijven voortbestaan.
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Op maandag 8 september 2008 19:56 schreef pberends het volgende:
Verder maakt de maatregel de dollar zwakker omdat de rotte appels maar blijven voortbestaan.
Ik heb hem toch echt van ruim 1,50 dollar naar 1,42 zien zakken de laatste weken, om nog maar niet te spreken van de 1,60 dollar waar de euro een paar maand geleden op stond.
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Mijn mening over de Fannie en Freddie bailout in een nieuwe column
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Opluchting, maar geen euforie
Maandag 08 September 2008 at 9:03 pm
Europese beurzen zijn flink hoger geëindigd, maar leverden een deel van de winst in. De 'bailout' van Fannie Mae en Freddie Mac geeft tijdelijk lucht op de Amerikaanse huizenmarkt, de fundamentele problemen zijn echter niet opgelost.
http://www.blikopdebeurs.com/weblog1/pivot/entry.php?id=96
  † In Memoriam † maandag 8 september 2008 @ 22:48:47 #283
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Insurgent
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Op maandag 8 september 2008 20:12 schreef ktnxbye het volgende:

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Ik heb hem toch echt van ruim 1,50 dollar naar 1,42 zien zakken de laatste weken, om nog maar niet te spreken van de 1,60 dollar waar de euro een paar maand geleden op stond.
Volgens mij kun je redelijk zeker zijn dat het een gecoordineerde actie was van oa. Europa en Azie. Een zwakke dollar is erg slecht voor de export en hij was nu wel heel erg zwak. Plus dat grondstofprijzen ondertussen, mede als gevolg van de zwakke dollar, torenhoog werden.
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"Then in mid-July, it all changed. Overnight," says Byron, echoing Chuck's thoughts, above. "There was no big announcement from the Federal Reserve or the European central bank. Nobody said 'We're tanking the Euro.' But it's pretty clear that they decided that enough was enough. The falling dollar and rising Euro was killing exports from European countries. It was putting Germany and France into recession.

"So the central banks of the world started buying dollars. The U.S. buck strengthened. Oil fell from $145 into the $115 range. And even the Russian invasion of Georgia, or Hurricane Gustav, could not cause oil to rise.
Het werkt maar het is allemaal kunstmatig en voor de korte termijn.
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The dollar is rising? This too shall pass.
The Rise in the Dollar Doesn’t Have Everyone Convinced

"Our friends at Strategic Investment warn that there is an even bigger property bust on the horizon - in commercial property. The bust could be worse for banks, stocks and the U.S. economy as a whole than the current residential debacle...an almost unbelievable notion."
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De Amerikaanse dollar heeft maandag het hoogste niveau in 11 maanden bereikt ten opzichte van de euro.
De stijging was ingegeven door de Amerikaanse reddingsoperatie voor de twee grootste hypotheekverstrekkers Fannie Mae en Freddie Mac.

De euro bereikte een niveau van 1,4118 dollar, het laagste niveau sinds 10 oktober 2007. Vrijdag noteerde de Europese munt nog 1,4260 dollar. De dollar steeg maandag ook ten opzichte van de yen.

Opmars

Sinds halverwege juli is de dollar bezig aan een opmars ten opzichte van de euro, na een lange periode van dalingen. Slechte berichten over de Europese economie en meevallende berichten uit de Verenigde Staten zijn hiervan de belangrijkste oorzaken.
http://www.nu.nl/news/173(...)u_in_11_maanden.html
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lol, een zwarte dag voor mij persoonlijk, het is lang geleden dat ik zoveel geld verbraste en dat alleen maar door het feit dat mn orders vertraagd er door kwamen vanochtend, tievus zooi grr.

En dat op een dag dat bijna alles steeg, de ironie
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Megan Fox makes my balls look like vannilla ice cream.
  dinsdag 9 september 2008 @ 07:46:23 #286
89730 Drugshond
De Euro. Mislukt vanaf dag 1.
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De dollar zal nog wel zakken.
Als de cijfers van werkgelegenheid en financiële malaise blijven aanhouden gaan speculanten het zoeken in een mogelijke renteverlaging van de FED. Met als gevolg dat de dollar weer onderuit zakt.
En die kans is redelijk groot aanwezig. Omdat het effect van belastingverlagingen en hulpprogramma's een beetje op zijn einde loopt. En de echte cijfers weer doen spreken.
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Een renteverlaging is niet aan de orde. Gelukkig maar. Slechte cijfers zorgen er wel voor dat ze de rente niet kunnen/zullen verhogen.
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lang leesvoer dus enkel een linkje

deel 1
deel 2
Your mind don't know how you're taking all the shit you see
Dont believe anyone but most of all dont believe me
God damn right it's a beautiful day Uh-huh
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Lehman Shares Fall After Talks With Korean Bank End

Sept. 9 (Bloomberg) -- Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. fell 35 percent in New York trading after talks about a capital infusion from Korea Development Bank ended. The Wall Street firm is continuing to negotiate with other potential investors, a person briefed on the matter said.

The Korean bank is one of several companies that Lehman, the fourth-largest U.S. securities firm, has been in discussions with in recent weeks, said the person, who declined to name the other potential bidders.

Lehman, based in New York, has been seeking to raise capital and shed devalued real estate assets after $8.2 billion in writedowns and credit losses in the past year. Korean regulators told the development bank it would be ``inappropriate'' to pursue a Lehman acquisition. Nomura Holdings Inc., Japan's biggest investment bank, may join bidders seeking a stake in Lehman, Nomura President Kenichi Watanabe told the Yomiuri newspaper last week.

Lehman shares, the worst performers on the 11-company Amex Securities Broker/Dealer Index this year, fell $5.05 to $9.10 at 11:18 a.m. in New York Stock Exchange composite trading.

Dow Jones News Service reported earlier today that the chairman of Korea's financial regulator had said talks with Lehman had ended. The Financial Services Commission denied its chairman, Jun Kwang Woo, made such remarks. Korea Development Bank Chief Executive Officer Min Euoo Sung declined to comment on the progress of talks when questioned at a banking seminar in Seoul.

Lehman spokesman Mark Lane and Korean Development Bank spokesman Cho Hyun Eek also declined to comment on talks with potential investors.

Third Quarter

Lehman CEO Richard Fuld and President Bart McDade are preparing to announce third-quarter financial results next week along with the outcome of their negotiations to sell assets and obtain cash infusions from outside investors.

The announcement will include ``key strategic initiatives,'' Lehman said in a statement yesterday, without elaborating. The firm will reveal how much of its mortgage portfolio was reduced during the quarter and how it's replacing the capital depleted by losses on those assets, according to people familiar with the matter.

The firm has been in talks Kohlberg Kravis Roberts & Co., Carlyle Group and other private-equity firms interested in buying its asset-management unit. Lehman is mulling all options and hasn't concluded any of the discussions yet, the person familiar with the matter said. Fuld will decide in the next 10 days how best to raise capital, the person said.

Fuld, 62, shuffled the top ranks of his firm for the third time in four months over the weekend. Jeremy M. Isaacs, head of Lehman's international operations, and Andrew Morton, the fixed- income chief, are leaving.

Fuld replaced his associate of 30 years, Joseph Gregory, in June, naming McDade president as the firm was racking up a $2.8 billion second-quarter loss from the collapse of the mortgage market.
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Lehman -45%
Washington Mutual -20%
Dow -2,4%
S&P -3,4%
Crude @ 102 $
  dinsdag 9 september 2008 @ 22:07:09 #291
89730 Drugshond
De Euro. Mislukt vanaf dag 1.
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Op dinsdag 9 september 2008 22:02 schreef ItaloDancer het volgende:
Boem

Lehman -45%
Washington Mutual -20%
Dow -2,4%
S&P -3,4%
Crude @ 102 $
Dan moet de US Government de andere banken ook maar overnemen, en alle huizen opkopen en GM opkopen en alle creditcardmaatschappijen.
En nog een keer iedereen 1000 dollar geven, om uit te geven bij Wallmart, en 10 keer een Dollarmenu bij de Mac
  dinsdag 9 september 2008 @ 22:17:08 #293
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Lehman
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  dinsdag 9 september 2008 @ 22:17:31 #294
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De Euro. Mislukt vanaf dag 1.
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Bankers Stare into the Abyss

Christopher Grey and his partners pursue opportunities in distressed real estate.



Man looks in the abyss, there's nothing staring back at him. At that moment, man finds his character. And that is what keeps him out of the abyss.
- Lou Mannheim, Wall Street, 1987



The last year has not been kind to bankers. Many of them probably feel like the whole world has turned against them. Regulators and auditors are crawling all over them. They are facing massive write downs in their portfolios. Loan defaults and foreclosures are rising at an unprecedented rate. They are forced to go begging investors all over the world for more equity capital just to survive.

By some estimates, such as those of noted economist Nouriel Roubini of NYU’s Stern School of Business, banks may face over $1 trillion of losses and write downs from this credit crisis and as many as 1,000 US banks will fail. Nobody knows how severe this banking crisis will be or when it will end, and there are those who say it will be resolved a lot more quickly and less painfully than expected. Regardless of what happens in the future, what can lenders and borrowers learn from this crisis so that we don’t find ourselves in this mess again for a long time?

There is a lot of blame to go around. The Federal Reserve failed to properly regulate the banking system and kept interest rates way too low for way too long to avoid being criticized for the recession that was caused by the previous stock market bubble of the late 1990’s. Lenders became originators and salesmen and threw out the underwriting process because they believed there would always be a greater fool to buy even the worst loan and remove it from their balance sheet. Borrowers believed asset prices would rise forever and didn’t want to be left behind while everyone else was getting rich by borrowing as much as possible to speculate. Nobody cared that it was a bubble. Everyone just wanted to get theirs.

There is a common theme to all of this. Everyone throughout the financial system was suffering from a simple lack of character. Although there were excesses in Europe and all around the world, by far the worst excesses in this credit bubble were here in America. We need to ask ourselves why this happened here so much worse than everywhere else. On this topic, the head of the Swiss central bank said recently, “What is going on in the American economy is unbelievable and shameful.” What is he talking about?

I think he was talking about our financial system, which for too many years has excessively rewarded extreme risk taking, especially on Wall Street, and has failed to sufficiently punish recklessness, incompetence, and even outright dishonesty. In fact, on too many occasions, bad behavior has gone completely unpunished or even rewarded. A great example of this recently has been the enormously lavish severance packages given to Wall Street CEOs who completely destroyed the balance sheets and possibly the entire futures of their respective companies.

What does it say about the character of a financial system that pays someone $150 million for destroying a company that he was hired to lead?

With this kind of example being set in the corporate boardrooms and on Wall Street, is it any surprise that so many Americans, even those who can afford it, see no reason to continue making their mortgage payments if they no longer have equity in their homes? This credit crisis in America, at its most basic level, is a crisis of character in this country, and character begins at the top. Alan Greenspan’s and Ben Bernanke’s refusal to accept responsibility for their obvious and horrendous failures of regulatory oversight and interest rate determination has trickled down to Wall Street and Main Street CEOs who gorge themselves on generous pay packages even as their companies sink into oblivion. That same lack of character has trickled down to bankers who see no reason to honestly underwrite loans or to take responsibility for their mistakes and honestly mark assets down to current market value. Borrowers, similarly lacking in character, frequently will not even consider trying to pay back a loan unless doing so in their own best interests. The basic concepts of responsible regulation, compensation, lending, and borrowing were largely thrown out the window for many years and this credit crisis is the inevitable and disastrous result of that reckless process.

How can we reverse this process and get our financial system back on track? Some people think government bail outs are the answer. While there is no doubt that the government must offer some assistance to save Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and stabilize the system, this is not the answer to our problems. I believe the real answer and antidote to future crises like this is for some people at the top of our financial system to start setting an example for everyone else and take some responsibility for their mistakes.

Here are a few of specific suggestions that I think would be very helpful and send the right message to the country. Alan Greenspan should make a public apology and donate all of his book proceeds and speaking fees to a charity that helps families who have lost their homes in foreclosure. Ben Bernanke should immediately resign and recommend that Paul Volcker, the last successful Fed Chairman, take over his job. Stan O’Neal and Chuck Prince should return all of their severance packages to the shareholders of Merrill Lynch and Citibank. Dick Fuld, the CEO of Lehman Brothers, and Kerry Killinger, the CEO of Washington Mutual, should resign and accept no severance. I am not saying that any of these individuals are bad people. I do not know any of them personally, and I will give all of them the benefit of assuming that they are all wonderful people. However, I think they are all very high profile examples of people who made horrible errors in judgment and have failed to take responsibility for those errors. We cannot begin to heal our financial system until people at the top start setting an example for the rest of us. How can we ask a struggling family to keep making their mortgage payments instead of walking away if the people at the top who created the system that caused this mess do not take responsibility for what they did?

Bankers are staring into the abyss. Will they find their character? I hope so.
  dinsdag 9 september 2008 @ 22:44:37 #295
19479 Mr.J
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Op dinsdag 9 september 2008 22:02 schreef ItaloDancer het volgende:
Boem

Lehman -45%
Washington Mutual -20%
Dow -2,4%
S&P -3,4%
Crude @ 102 $
Bah. Zit sinds maandag stevig long hopende op een rally.

Laten we afspreken dat gewoon deze week Lehman omflikkerd, de FED de rente 2% omhoog gooit en dat de banken samen nog eens 750 miljard afschrijven dan kunnen we volgende week maandag met een schone lei beginnen weer eens een langere periode up gaan.
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Op dinsdag 9 september 2008 22:44 schreef Mr.J het volgende:

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Bah. Zit sinds maandag stevig long hopende op een rally.

Laten we afspreken dat gewoon deze week Lehman omflikkerd, de FED de rente 2% omhoog gooit en dat de banken samen nog eens 750 miljard afschrijven dan kunnen we volgende week maandag met een schone lei beginnen weer eens een langere periode up gaan.
als de rente 2% omhoog gaat dan kunnen we de andere US hypotheken ook wel afschrijven
  dinsdag 9 september 2008 @ 23:06:10 #297
19479 Mr.J
Train, eat, sleep. Repeat.
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Ja ok, maar dan wel deze week dus. Beginnen we maandag met een Dow van 8000 en een AEX van 280.
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Op dinsdag 9 september 2008 23:06 schreef Mr.J het volgende:
Ja ok, maar dan wel deze week dus. Beginnen we maandag met een Dow van 8000 en een AEX van 280.
je zal nog een keer een DOW van 3000 zien
2010 dan gaan we weer up
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Op dinsdag 9 september 2008 22:17 schreef SeLang het volgende:
Lehman
Is Lehman's niet gewoon te groot om nu gewoon onder te laten gaan? Als dit zo doorgaat is straks de hele banksector in de VS genationaliseerd.
  woensdag 10 september 2008 @ 09:18:51 #300
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Op zondag 7 september 2008 18:24 schreef ItaloDancer het volgende:
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Alle details op www.marketwatch.com
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En wat is er opeens gebeurd met vrije markt werking, kapatilisme en de overheid moet zich niet bemoeien met private bedrijven? Al die principes overboord als het met al die grote jongens slecht gaat en hun verlies afwimpelen op de belastingcenten die, vooral in de USA, door de bevolking en middenstand wordt opgehoest.

En gaat de overheid van de USA zich nu ook echt bemoeien met de organisaties of wordt dit uiteindelijk enkel miljarden pompen in die bedrijven, waarna ze gewoon hun gang weer gaan? Zou me niks verbazen namelijk.
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