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  donderdag 6 maart 2008 @ 13:16:06 #1
89730 Drugshond
De Euro. Mislukt vanaf dag 1.
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Welkom in Bulls, Bears & Bucks, de WGR reeks (begonnen in NWS) die is voortgekomen uit de topics mbt tot de val van de dollar en de koersval op de beurzen. In dit topic kun je dan ook alles kwijt over recente ontwikkelingen op de financiële markten. Komt die recessie er nu wel of niet? Wat doen de Europese en Amerikaanse centrale banken met de hoge inflatie? Heeft de AEX op 400 een bodem gezet? Hoe gaat het nu verder met die subprime crisis? Gaat de olieprijs nu op weg naar de 200 dollar? Komt die val van de dollar er ooit, is het een sluipmoordenaar of is dit een tijdelijke dip voor een sterke munt? Bulls, Bears & Bucks is hèt topic voor iedereen die benieuwd is naar het antwoord op één van deze vragen...

Enkele definities.
quote:
Deflation – A fall in the general price of goods and services. This problem, seen during the Great Depression, hurts economic growth as consumers wait for prices to fall. By contrast, "disinflation" is a benign reduction in the inflation rate.

Inflation – A rise in the general price of goods and services. When out of control, it constrains saving and investment in the economy. The rate of inflation is most often measured by changes in the Labor Department's consumer price index.

Recession – A sharp contraction in economic activity and employment. A common but informal measure is two consecutive quarters with a decline of national output. A recession is officially declared by a committee of the National Bureau of Economic Research in Boston – this occurs after the fact when final data have arrived and been analyzed.

Stagflation – A combination of stagnation (manifested as significant unemployment and slow or negative economic growth) and entrenched inflation – a phenomenon that characterized the 1970s in America.
Eerdere topics

[NWS] Dollar
De dag dat de dollar viel #01 : Gaat de VS failliet ?
De dag dat de dollar viel #02 : Groei Amerikaanse economie valt bijna stil
De dag dat de dollar viel #03 : De Fed en ECB springen bij
De dag dat de dollar viel, #04: Bloedbad op beurzen Azie
De dag dat de dollar viel, #05: op naar de $ 1.40 per ¤
De dag dat de dollar viel, #06: spannende ontwikkelingen!
De dag dat de dollar viel #07 : 1.4087 !!! 1.41??
De dag dat de dollar viel #08 : Dollar zakt verder weg
De dag dat de dollar viel #09 : 1.42 in zicht.
De dag dat de dollar viel #10: Spelen rond de 1.42 grens
De dag dat de dollar viel #11: $pel zonder grenzen.
De dag dat de dollar viel #12: Zhe crisis havs returned!
De dag dat de dollar viel #13: Nieuwe Dollars.
De dag dat de dollar viel #14: De 1.50 komt erg dichtbij
De dag dat de dollar viel #15: Geld is overgewaardeerd.

[WGR] Dollar
De dollar... Hoe diep gaat hij zinken?
De Amerikaanse dollar in verval: hoe diep zinkt-ie? deel 2.

[WGR] Koersval beurzen
Wereldwijde koersval beurzen #01: Recessievrees.
Wereldwijde koersval beurzen #02: Fors herstel
Wereldwijde koersval beurzen #03: Fase two in de BEAR market
Wereldwijde koersval beurzen #04: Free money for the poor.
Bulls, Bears & Bucks #05: Einde financiële crisis nog niet in zicht

Ook handig...

Tegenlicht: De dag dat de dollar viel
Yahoo: Europese indices
Yahoo: Aziatische indices
Yahoo: Amerikaanse indices
Marketwatch: laatste nieuws en koersen Amerikaanse markten
De Financiële Telegraaf: Nederlands nieuws en koersen
US Markets: live koersen meeste indices, commodities
FxStreet: streaming (live) valutakoersen


Intraday en meerjarige grafieken

Euro/Dollar - 1 jaar


Euro/Dollar - intraday


Yen/Dollar


Dow Jones - 5 jaar


S&P 500 - 5 jaar


Dow Jones - intraday


Dow Jones, S&P 500 en Nasdaq - intraday


AEX - 3 jaar


AEX - intraday


AEX / Dow Jones - 2 jaar


Hang Seng - 2 jaar


Hang Seng - intraday


[ Bericht 0% gewijzigd door ItaloDancer op 06-03-2008 19:38:38 ]
  donderdag 6 maart 2008 @ 13:23:07 #2
89730 Drugshond
De Euro. Mislukt vanaf dag 1.
pi_57195782
quote:
The Economic & Financial NO SPIN Zone...
Bron : TraderView
March 3 , 2008

Foreword

For greater insight into our publication, have a look at the Overview of Tedbits. It helps current and potential subscribers understand our mission in serving you. It also gives a broad description of what’s unfolding globally and what you can expect from Tedbits as a regular reader.


In This Issue
  • True Values!

    I can’t tell you how wonderful it is to be alive in today’s markets. This past week was one of great importance as the markets really signaled enormous new realities which now have to be priced in over the coming years. Volatility is opportunity and it is abundant. What makes it even juicier for the prepared investor is that it is now apparent on WEEKLY and MONTHLY charts, signaling the enormous timeframes in which we are anticipating BIG MOVES! We’re only in the second inning in a 9-inning ballgame. Re-pricing of everything to its TRUE VALUE is underway and creating mega opportunities for prepared investors.

    Every mainstream financial media pundit is in full firefighting mode trying to deny reality and what it means to the sheep who rely on them for advice. I just finished reading a financial newsletter claiming inflation is about to wane and that you can expect crude oil to fall. I hope you all are taking notes and keeping records of what your TRUSTED advisors are saying, and if you find the GUIDANCE not so good I hope that you then vote with your feet. Some of the greatest illusions in history are being unwound as we sit here! The only way you can think commodity prices are headed lower is to believe the purchasing power of FIAT currencies is headed higher and the incremental expansion of demand of the emerging world is suddenly going to DISAPPEAR.

    The crushing blows of declining income signaled by the pattern of the year (Wolf wave, see 2008 Outlook at www.TraderView.com ) coupled with being overly indebted is signaling quite a waterloo for the G7 and the financial alchemists. The de-leveraging is unfolding at a quickening pace and G7 Central Bank balance sheets are expanding at quite a rate, as they take in the trash paper and provide liquidity for impaired financial institutions. The money printing is barreling along, the unadjusted monetary base measured by M1 is FLAT, but MZM (Money with Zero Maturity) is growing at a 22% annual pace while reconstructed M3 is growing at an approximate pace of 15% plus.

    Helicopter Ben Bernanke made his semi-annual trip to congress on Tuesday and in a speech he said quite a mouthful. There is now only one mandate on his plate and that is to INFLATE! He tacitly endorsed the government establishing a facility to buy troubled mortgages and mortgage reduction, and Barney Frank of the House Ways and Means Committee has legislation ready to go. Can you say MORAL hazard? What do you say to a lender when the Federal Reserve says they should FORGIVE part of the principle owed? Thirty-year fixed mortgages which normally price at about 120 basis points above 10-year treasury notes are now over 200 basis points above 10 years and widening rapidly. This is not what the Fed hoped for when they lowered rates. It illustrates what lenders do when the prospect of not getting repaid is front and center. Uncertainty anyone?

    He clearly expressed his intentions to print whatever sum of money is necessary to underpin the financial system and economic growth regardless of the inflationary implications. What about the people who did not behave irresponsibly and over borrow, they are now on the hook for those who did. He demonstrated his total incompetence in suggesting the OIL markets were signaling lower prices this summer as they are in BACKWARDIZATION; unfortunately he didn’t speak to anyone in the futures industry as this signals JUST THE OPPOSITE. Crude oil finished the week and month solidly in breakout mode with projections to $115 dollars directly ahead (see Crossroads in the Tedbits archives at www.TraderView.com ).

    Fannie Mae signaled its intention to create small bridge loans for troubled borrowers with the qualifications eerily similar to LIAR loans, also known as NINJA loans (No income, No Job or Assets). Of course they did, as the quality of their own insured portfolios is crumbling as we speak. So it’s a policy of loaning deadbeats MORE money to pay back their previously un-payable obligations. A finger in the dike so to speak as they announced 5 billion dollars worth of losses for the 4th quarter of 2007 on their multi-trillion dollar guarantees. Meanwhile, the US government raised the amount of mortgages they can insure to over $700,000 dollars, and simultaneously raised the ceilings of mortgages and securities they can hold. Can you say “ballooning balance sheets” as the American taxpayer takes every crappy lending decision onto the liability side of the government which they guarantee?

    The credit markets are in disarray and the Muni bond and mortgage markets suffered withering blows as capital losses are the order of the day, reflecting both the coming debasement of the money in which they are denominated and, contrary to popular belief, the poor quality of the credit of the various municipalities and borrowers. S&P and Moody’s reiterated the Monolines Ambac and MBIA’s Triple AAA ratings, while grade inflation is readily apparent to anyone who wishes to peek behind the headlines. Take a look at this balance sheet comparison of MBIA versus pharmaceutical powerhouse Pfizer provided by Bill King and, by extension, Mish Shedlock’s Blog:
    https://www.thefuturestra(...)edbitsMar03-img1.jpg

    There is no way to read this but REGULATOR forbearance, as this illusion was broadcast throughout the financial headlines without even a whimper from the Federal Reserve, US treasury and SEC. This signaled their implicit approval of these clearly illusionary declarations as to the soundness of these enterprises. An economic tsunami is headed the way of the States and municipalities as the imploding credit and real estate bubbles combine with the WOLF wave to rob them of their revenues and costs spiral higher and higher for everything in which they are engaged. The ratings agencies have now become comic book characters and purveyors of totally unreliable indications of financial soundness, you can now rely on them for NOTHING!

    As business taxes collapse so are their finances, so expect increasing municipal bankruptcies to unfold in the near future. Chicago/Cook County raised the total sales tax rates to 10.5% and scheduled to create another 1,000 patronage job - spending restraint is NOT being considered. Spending restraint is a ticket to retirement and a real job in the private sector for the public servants who support it! So they don’t!

    Municipalities and States borrowing costs are headed to the moon to reflect the poor quality of their income streams and the enormous new spending and expense liabilities they are increasingly faced with. They have extended their budgets in reckless fashion and assumed that income and tax receipt growth will always materialize; they are about to get a lesson in reality. Anything chained to GENERAL revenues will fair especially poorly. The Monolines are done, their business models fatally flawed and the liabilities, now and in the future, are un-payable. The government will have to nationalize these financial guarantors and print the money to meet their obligations! THEY WILL DO SO!

    Plans for bank bailouts are firmly underway in Washington DC as hundreds of small banks wrestle with imploding construction loans and big banks wrestle with the toxic loans they were holding when the tide of liquidity receded last July. The number being bandied about is 700 to 800 billion dollars and IT WILL HAPPEN!! The chorus for a bailout is growing by the day (Bernanke, the big banks, Mohammed El Arian of Pimco, Barney Frank House Ways and Means Chair, Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, Chris Dodd of Senate Banking and Finance, just to name a few) and the PUBLIC servants in congress will do anything to avoid derailing their RE-ELECTION hopes!

    Hi ho, hi ho, its off to the printing press we go! Look no further then Mega whale Citigroup which declined to less then BOOK VALUE yesterday for the first time since the S&L crisis in 1990-1992. Can the other money center and investment banks be far behind? NO. The next wave of write-down’s for the banking industry looms dead ahead with the estimate of Citigroup’s next revelation to be over $18 billion. Can you believe Citigroup paid out 38 billion dollars of bonuses and dividends last year when they are basically bankrupt? That 38 billion sure would have gone a long way at fixing their balance sheet.

    In Europe and the United States huge spreads are widening between Sovereign Treasuries and anything that is not government guaranteed. Mortgage and corporate borrowing costs are skyrocketing while investors seek the safety of the taxpayer-guaranteed credits. The Euro zone is also being torn apart by the level of the Euro and the additional borrowing costs of Spain, Italy, Greece and other banana republic/socialist members. Germany gets funds for one price and the others get it for a much higher rate. Huge pressures are building between countries with the worst policies and those that are creating more wealth and which are business-friendly.

    In Japan and the European Union the level of their currencies versus the dollar are front page issues signaling the coming competitive devaluations that are looming. Politicians everywhere believe they can devalue their way to prosperity in the ever-increasing GLOBAL economy. REMEMBER, CURRENCIES DON’T FLOAT THEY JUST SINK AT DIFFERENT RATES. They believe they must devalue their currencies to remain competitive exporters. They are being priced out in their minds. So its back to the competitive devaluation raceway we have been on for thirty + years, since Bretton woods II in the early 1970’s which forever tore currencies from gold and precious metal underpinnings.

    In conclusion: THERE IS NO SHORTAGE OF MONEY OR LIQUIDITY, IT IS ABUNDANT. Look no further than the commodities sectors, government treasuries and gold; those prices are not indicative of shortages of liquidity. Interest rates to non-government borrowers will continue to climb regardless of what Sovereign Treasuries and Central Banks do. Interest rates and funding costs will continue to rise until GREED outweighs FEAR, at which point the money will leave the sidelines and engage in lending once again. Re-pricing risk is the order of the day. Inflation is the POLICY OF THE G7 governments, make a note of it!

    Mortgage lending is dead except when it is for conforming loans that Freddie, Fannie or the FHA will guarantee the funding. As long as Washington believes they can rewrite terms and forgive balances for borrowers the mortgage markets are CLOSED for business. So public servants will just extend the reach of the fiat currency and credit creation to these new markets in addition to the deficit spending they are currently underpinning. Look for federal bailouts of State and Municipal shortfalls as well. Auction rate securities and over-the-counter debt markets continue to implode as lack of a secondary marketplace or exchange with price discovery mechanisms doom holders of these products to fire sale prices. This reflects the absence of organized marketplaces with buyers and sellers performing price discovery and providing liquidity.

    With everyone’s attention on the housing, stock and credit bubble implosions nobody is looking at what’s coming down the road politically. The something for nothing G7 social trend is setting up more nails in the future of wealth creation. Businessmen and corporations are being placed on the dinner table for the deadbeats in the populous at large. Trillions of Dollars, Euros, Pounds and Yen are about to be TAKEN from the most productive parts of these economies and fed to the weakest and least productive in exchange for support at the BALLOT box. This is not a recipe for higher growth, wages, tax receipts or wealth creation. To substitute for the lost income they will once again say; “Hi ho, hi ho it’s off to the printing press we go.” Government policy is destroying what’s left of CAPITALISM in the G7.

    The “Crack up Boom” is moving into a higher gear (see the Tedbits archives at www.TraderView.com ). Revel in it as it represents huge opportunities for YOU! If you are holding paper, DON’T! Learn to short circuit the printing presses, then learn to invest to take advantage of it! Markets are going to move as far as the eye can see. What is about to unfold is inconceivable to most people, but opportunities for YOU.
  •   donderdag 6 maart 2008 @ 13:31:16 #3
    59287 Grumpey
    Het zonnetje in huis
    pi_57195919
    tvp, altijd erg interessante info hier
      donderdag 6 maart 2008 @ 13:35:52 #4
    10119 appelsientje
    Het beste onder de zon
    pi_57196015
    Gunstig.. over een paar weken ga ik naar Mexico... waarschijnlijk zal het daar nu wel goedkoper zijn
    To deny our impulses would deny the very thing that make us human.
    pi_57196165
    ECB time
    pi_57196196
    Onveranderd, of courzzz

    Nou kijken wat Trichet te vertellen heeft
      donderdag 6 maart 2008 @ 13:56:17 #7
    55709 Stereotomy
    Mens sana in corpore sano
    pi_57196381
    Bom chika wah wah.
    Confidence through competence
    pi_57196498
    Goed voor m'n studie dit topic
      donderdag 6 maart 2008 @ 14:25:52 #9
    48840 Xtreem
    Minimalist in training
    pi_57196970
    Gaat hard de laatste weken!
    Benieuwd naar wat Trichet te melden heeft
    The secret to happiness is freedom...
    And the secret to freedom is courage.
    Thucydides
    pi_57197158
    En wat me wederom opviel, maar wat ik nog niet had gemeld hier;

    In de 1.5 jaar ruim dat ik nu in Indonesie ben heb ik de prijs van doodgewone bakolie (zonnebloemolie o.a.) van 6.000 Rupiah per liter naar 13.000 per liter zien gaan. Meer dan 100% in die korte tijd. Iedereen heeft het nodig, maar een steeds kleinere groep kan het betalen.

    Dit zijn sluipende factoren in inflatie die uiteindelijk een grote invloed zullen hebben. Voedselprijzen zijn niet gestegen - de porties worden ook niet kleiner - maar er komt een dag dat dit wel noodzakelijk is, dit nog zonder naar de andere grondstoffen te kijken.

    Bizar eigenlijk nu ik er over nadenk.. fucking 100% in 20 maanden.
    pi_57197458
    Trichet heeft hetzelfde te melden als altijd...
    Inflatie groot risico, belangrijke reden om de rente niet te verlagen.
    Economische groei zwakt iets af.

    Maar toch schrikken ze er altijd weer een beetje van
    pi_57197528
    "depression" mist in het lijstje definities
    Your mind don't know how you're taking all the shit you see
    Dont believe anyone but most of all dont believe me
    God damn right it's a beautiful day Uh-huh
    pi_57197745
    Ja, die hoort er momenteel eerder tussen dan deflation.

    Gaat lekker trouwens -1,3%. Tis dat we Akzo nog hebben.
    pi_57197776
    quote:
    Op donderdag 6 maart 2008 14:52 schreef simmu het volgende:
    "depression" mist in het lijstje definities
    wordt op dit moment ge-herdefinifieerd
      FOK!fotograaf donderdag 6 maart 2008 @ 15:34:01 #16
    18921 freud
    Who's John Galt?
    pi_57198446
    Kan iemand in de VS uitleggen dat 'van uitstel komt afstel' maar een gezegde is, en geen economisch beleid?
    Ik nuf je seuk!
    Ik hier?
    If it's free, you're the product!
      donderdag 6 maart 2008 @ 15:35:59 #17
    145172 gronk
    adulescentulus carnifex
    pi_57198492
    Zo, dat was bijna 1.54

    (hrm, ik heb in januari nog wat spullen besteld in de US --die nu 2 maanden op de plank liggen-- toen de USD op 1.46 stond. )
    I'm trying to make the 'net' a kinder, gentler place. One where you could bring the fuckin' children.
    pi_57198611
    quote:
    Op donderdag 6 maart 2008 14:49 schreef ItaloDancer het volgende:
    Trichet heeft hetzelfde te melden als altijd...
    Inflatie groot risico, belangrijke reden om de rente niet te verlagen.
    Economische groei zwakt iets af.

    Maar toch schrikken ze er altijd weer een beetje van
    Europa zit toch een beetje in hetzelfde schuitje doordat wij ook veel te veel gaan betalen aan buitenlandse energie .
    pi_57198660
    quote:
    Op donderdag 6 maart 2008 15:34 schreef freud het volgende:
    Kan iemand in de VS uitleggen dat 'van uitstel komt afstel' maar een gezegde is, en geen economisch beleid?
    laat ze nou gewoon in de waan; over een jaar of wat doet een USD nog 1000 Rupiah (nu 9050, twee weken geleden 9400), kunnen de Indonesiers ook goedkoop naar de VS
    pi_57198746
    quote:
    Op donderdag 6 maart 2008 15:38 schreef pberends het volgende:
    http://www.nu.nl/news/146(...)ijna_106_dollar.html

    Hopsakee, olie naar 106$.
    de dollar daalde he... dus dat is wel te verklaren.
    pi_57198823
    quote:
    Op donderdag 6 maart 2008 15:40 schreef pberends het volgende:

    [..]

    Europa zit toch een beetje in hetzelfde schuitje doordat wij ook veel te veel gaan betalen aan buitenlandse energie .
    Volgens sommmigen niet zoals ik al in Olie doorbreekt $100 per vat poste.
    quote:
    "In our opinion, oil will go as high as the dollar goes low," said Deutsche Bank analyst Paul Sankey. "Name your target."
      donderdag 6 maart 2008 @ 15:49:10 #23
    38496 Perrin
    Toekomst. Made in Europe.
    pi_57198827
    Trichet:
    quote:
    'Op de middellange termijn spreken we geen verwachtingen uit', zo stelde Trichet. Volgens hem was de beslissing om het renteniveau te handhaven op 4% vandaag een unanieme beslissing van de bankpresidenten.

    Het was de centralebankier ook opgevallen dat Amerikaanse bankofficials 'een sterke dollar' nastreven. 'De condities aan beide kanten van de Atlantische oceaan zijn niet hetzelfde', zo vervolgde hij.

    De Fransman stelde in zijn toespraak ook dat het verankeren van de inflatieverwachting de hoogste prioriteit heeft voor de centrale bank. 'Wij houden de ontwikkelingen sterk in de gaten', zo vervolgde hij. 'Het handhaven van de prijsstabiliteit is ons primaire doel.'
    And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
    Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?
    pi_57199245
    pending home sales januari: onveranderd tov december, -19,6% tov januari 2007

    En...
    quote:
    U.S. foreclosures hit another record high, MBA says
    Last update: 10:00 a.m. EST March 6, 2008

    CHICAGO (MarketWatch) -- The percentage of mortgages that were in foreclosure hit a record high in the fourth quarter, while mortgage delinquencies rose to a 23-year high, the Mortgage Bankers Association said Thursday. A record 2.04% of U.S. mortgages were somewhere in the foreclosure process at the end of the year, while a record-high 0.83% of loans entered foreclosure in the fourth quarter, the trade group's quarterly survey found. More homeowners fell behind on payments as well, with 5.82% of loans past due in the quarter. That was the highest delinquency rate since 1983. MBA Chief Economist Doug Duncan said declining home prices were the driving force behind the foreclosure record.
    Bron
    pi_57199307
    quote:
    Op donderdag 6 maart 2008 15:49 schreef Perrin het volgende:
    Trichet:
    [..]
    Yep de man verdient een lintje
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