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Thx, but i was looking for the area of the v/d Sloot place, there is a building construction site there now but i wanted to know how this was back in 2005. Would be a good place to burry a body...quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 02:15 schreef WallOfStars het volgende:
this is from 2005, overflights
http://community.webshots.com/album/263351571mCGylP
But not the entire island en some angels need to be changed.
@Observer
If you can copy and paste my posts on FOK onto SM (selective however) maybe you can also give me an answer on my question
Was this looked into?
FBI statement Whatley
WHATLEY advised the security guard at the hotel were suspicious during their stau n Aruba. While WHATLEY, LEE ASHFORD, MCVEIGH, and HOLLOWAY were taking a nap one afternoon, someone tried to open the sliding glass door to the hotel room. The curtain was half drawn on the door when they saw an arm pulling on the door, she told he others ahe saw a "dark uniform go around a corner". WHATLEY advised the security guards at the hotel wore dark uniforms.
WHATLEY advised their was a weird message on the phone of their horel room. A woman voice left a message and called twice for "ROSEMARY", one of the girls on the trip. The message said ROSEMARY was scheduled for a massage of the hotel property.
If you can copy and paste my posts on FOK onto SM (selective however) maybe you can also give me an answer on my question
Was this looked into?
FBI statement Whatley
WHATLEY advised the security guard at the hotel were suspicious during their stau n Aruba. While WHATLEY, LEE ASHFORD, MCVEIGH, and HOLLOWAY were taking a nap one afternoon, someone tried to open the sliding glass door to the hotel room. The curtain was half drawn on the door when they saw an arm pulling on the door, she told he others ahe saw a "dark uniform go around a corner". WHATLEY advised the security guards at the hotel wore dark uniforms.
WHATLEY advised their was a weird message on the phone of their horel room. A woman voice left a message and called twice for "ROSEMARY", one of the girls on the trip. The message said ROSEMARY was scheduled for a massage of the hotel property.
Ik ben niet labiel. Ik ben emotioneel flexibel.
I have not studied anthropology to know what that bone was,so I told you exactly what was reported. First it was a simian(Monkey Bone)then it was a human prop,now the Venezuelan Authorities say a pelican bone. Whatever it was it is long gone now,but there was another pic on the net and those certainly appear to be fingers and not a hoov like the picture you showed or whatever it is called. Certainly appears to be a primate if you ask me as well as many others.
As for the tarp I have no idea like I stated if it has anything to do with this case. In the very beginning of 2005,3 seperate people claimed to see a woman wrapped in a blue tarp and a white pickup truck being used the day she dissapeared. One of those people claimed to even help bury her. That is why I showed that picture. I have no clue what is in that tarp if anything.
As for the tarp I have no idea like I stated if it has anything to do with this case. In the very beginning of 2005,3 seperate people claimed to see a woman wrapped in a blue tarp and a white pickup truck being used the day she dissapeared. One of those people claimed to even help bury her. That is why I showed that picture. I have no clue what is in that tarp if anything.
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
These are my search results when I search for 'pelican bone' sorry I couldn't find a more clear photo.. but here you can see the fingers, so the other picture must have had some parts missing or something.
Now you're talkin' Jackanese.
What's a hoov? The pic I showed is a pelican bonequote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 02:37 schreef observer777 het volgende:
I have not studied anthropology to know what that bone was,so I told you exactly what was reported. First it was a simian(Monkey Bone)then it was a human prop,now the Venezuelan Authorities say a pelican bone. Whatever it was it is long gone now,but there was another pic on the net and those certainly appear to be fingers and not a hoov like the picture you showed or whatever it is called. Certainly appears to be a primate if you ask me as well as many others.
As for the tarp I have no idea like I stated if it has anything to do with this case. In the very beginning of 2005,3 seperate people claimed to see a woman wrapped in a blue tarp and a white pickup truck being used the day she dissapeared. One of those people claimed to even help bury her. That is why I showed that picture. I have no clue what is in that tarp if anything.
I hope you don't feel "attacked" again by my post because I do feel an undertone here... I really just wanted to know if you knew (or SM for that matter) what was in that tarp? But hey, you don't know. Anyway, thanks for answering my question
Ik ben niet labiel. Ik ben emotioneel flexibel.
BwennieBren
You clearly have another agenda and it is quite obvious. Yes I copied Mr.Van Nie's post that you took from his website and translated it,which I have done in the past from his website. I am sure that statement was looked into,what the results were I have no clue. I do not work for the FBI,ALE or KLPD. I would like to know the what the results were of that PV myself. I think the phone call is very strange.
I would also like to know who Natalee had lunch with,and if that person is related to one of the suspects or witnesses. As well as about a hundred unanswered questions,like if that is PVDS seen at the casino talking to Natalee hours before she vanished.
You clearly have another agenda and it is quite obvious. Yes I copied Mr.Van Nie's post that you took from his website and translated it,which I have done in the past from his website. I am sure that statement was looked into,what the results were I have no clue. I do not work for the FBI,ALE or KLPD. I would like to know the what the results were of that PV myself. I think the phone call is very strange.
I would also like to know who Natalee had lunch with,and if that person is related to one of the suspects or witnesses. As well as about a hundred unanswered questions,like if that is PVDS seen at the casino talking to Natalee hours before she vanished.
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
Jeeez come on Observer, I am just like you said you are: sceptical and I cannot agree with all your findings but some of them are interesting. Pffff.... I wrote that down,.... I guess 4 times now?FYI, I also would like to see this case solved. Wel;, in that we agree right? However, if you think I clearly have another agenda, well dear,.... whatever rocks your worldquote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 02:52 schreef observer777 het volgende:
BwennieBren
You clearly have another agenda and it is quite obvious. Yes I copied Mr.Van Nie's post that you took from his website and translated it,which I have done in the past from his website. I am sure that statement was looked into,what the results were I have no clue. I do not work for the FBI,ALE or KLPD. I would like to know the what the results were of that PV myself. I think the phone call is very strange.
I would also like to know who Natalee had lunch with,and if that person is related to one of the suspects or witnesses. As well as about a hundred unanswered questions,like if that is PVDS seen at the casino talking to Natalee hours before she vanished.
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Ik ben niet labiel. Ik ben emotioneel flexibel.
Nope, definitely not. Why do you ask?quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 02:59 schreef letsgetthiscasesolved het volgende:
Just a question: is valium the same as GHB or rohypnoll?
Ik ben niet labiel. Ik ben emotioneel flexibel.
Close to Rohypnol :quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 02:59 schreef letsgetthiscasesolved het volgende:
Just a question: is valium the same as GHB or rohypnoll?
As a date rape drug
The drug has been referred to in the media as a date rape drug, in much the same way as alcohol and Rohypnol. As it is colourless and odorless,[23] it has been described as "very easy to add to drinks".[23] GHB has been used in many cases of drug-related sexual assault, usually when the victim is vulnerable due to intoxication with a sedative, generally alcohol or more rarely cannabis, and as such are less likely to notice a strange taste to his or her drink.[24] However it is difficult to establish how often GHB is used to facilitate rape as it is difficult to detect in a urine sample after a day, and many victims may not recall the rape until some time after this.[25] GHB produced as a sodium salt (sodium oxybate) may provide a noticeable salty character to the drink, although individual sensitivity to the taste of salt varies[26]. GHB can also be produced as different salts, some of which may not have a taste as distinctive as the sodium salt (e.g., magnesium oxybate), or much less commonly in the unstable free-acid form.[27]
Source Wikipedia
Welcome Mr. President, How can we serve you,
In Dutchquote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 02:59 schreef letsgetthiscasesolved het volgende:
Just a question: is valium the same as GHB or rohypnoll?
GHB = http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/4-hydroxybutaanzuur
Valium = http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diazepam
Rohypnol = http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flunitrazepam
Ik ben niet labiel. Ik ben emotioneel flexibel.
Don't be daft.quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 03:05 schreef WallOfStars het volgende:
Close to Rohypnol :
As a date rape drug
The drug has been referred to in the media as a date rape drug, in much the same way as alcohol and Rohypnol. As it is colourless and odorless,[23] it has been described as "very easy to add to drinks".[23] GHB has been used in many cases of drug-related sexual assault, usually when the victim is vulnerable due to intoxication with a sedative, generally alcohol or more rarely cannabis, and as such are less likely to notice a strange taste to his or her drink.[24] However it is difficult to establish how often GHB is used to facilitate rape as it is difficult to detect in a urine sample after a day, and many victims may not recall the rape until some time after this.[25] GHB produced as a sodium salt (sodium oxybate) may provide a noticeable salty character to the drink, although individual sensitivity to the taste of salt varies[26]. GHB can also be produced as different salts, some of which may not have a taste as distinctive as the sodium salt (e.g., magnesium oxybate), or much less commonly in the unstable free-acid form.[27]
Source Wikipedia
Who the fuck can sleep with all this shit going on?
Thanksquote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 02:46 schreef I.B het volgende:
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These are my search results when I search for 'pelican bone' sorry I couldn't find a more clear photo.. but here you can see the fingers, so the other picture must have had some parts missing or something.
a pelican feet has 4 fingers, so I see...
Ik ben niet labiel. Ik ben emotioneel flexibel.
Well, they differ quite a bit. With Valium being the least powerful and Rohypnoll being the most effective rape drug of the three as it can cause short term memory loss. GHB tends to be liquid instead of in pill form, so it's easier to get an overdose from GHB then from Rohypnol. They can all be pretty lethal and/or cause seizures in combination with alcohol.quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 02:59 schreef letsgetthiscasesolved het volgende:
Just a question: is valium the same as GHB or rohypnoll?
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Dan hoopt gij vurige kolen op zijn hoofd.
Excellent video from dutch show aboard the persistence.
http://player.omroep.nl/?aflID=6472985
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http://player.omroep.nl/?aflID=6472985
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"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
Ok all, thanks I'm just looking for some clues about the Johan Stellingwerf case and Joran Van der sloot, JS was always called the ghb raper and now they call him the Valium rapist in dutch newspapers some hours ago.
Some coincidenses:
-He , JoHan never claimed he did it
-Not only his dad but also his mother is a lawyer
-JoHan is agressive, has a two persons in one kind of appereance.
-and so on
He is convicted to prison for 10 years.The thing is, all(well let's say most they still search for his story about one girl which died) are still alive and they could say:'That's the guy who did this to me'
This case needs IMO just only one person who says: Yes, I went out with ... and next morning I was a mess and I cant remember a thing, and my friends saw the unit I was with last night before I left...
Some coincidenses:
-He , JoHan never claimed he did it
-Not only his dad but also his mother is a lawyer
-JoHan is agressive, has a two persons in one kind of appereance.
-and so on
He is convicted to prison for 10 years.The thing is, all(well let's say most they still search for his story about one girl which died) are still alive and they could say:'That's the guy who did this to me'
This case needs IMO just only one person who says: Yes, I went out with ... and next morning I was a mess and I cant remember a thing, and my friends saw the unit I was with last night before I left...
I think this has the makings of an 'unsolved crime'. There are a lot of these crimes. As there are a lot of suspisious disappearances. Sometimes they are solved, sometimes they're not.quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 01:22 schreef Caesu het volgende:
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i don't necessarily think that is going to happen.
i am just saying in that region there are a lot more interests than just joran van der sloot.
it is not the quietest part of the world.
if aruba was lying just of the coast of antarctica it would have been an whole different story.
just yesterday chávez was threatening to cut the oil supply to the usa for example.
i am sure chávez has never heard about joran. but IF all of a sudden a corruption scandal comes to light on aruba, i am sure he will take notice.
maybe i am writing in a way that i think that this is really going to happen.
well, i doubt that is going to happen - because it is in a lot of parties interest that it is NOT going to happen.
governments have always a lot of plans ready in case something is going happen.
like contingency plans in case this happens, and that party does that - and then this etc.
for example, the usa had since 1930 'war plan red' ready to attack canada!
http://www.washingtonpost(...)005122901412_pf.html
top-secret: declassified in the seventies.
i am sure countries, especially in volatile regions have a lot of contingency plans ready for all kind of scenario's.
remember venezuela is part of the 'beyond the axis of evil' group.
the usa is waging a so called 'war on drugs' in colombia.
to quote joran: "Joran Forc@ Barc@!! Schaak Master, altijd 1 stap voor"
i am just trying to think how this could turn out.
I´m back.
Observer777..will you ask this to the SM board? I'm not Adrian Monk but I read more about girls in this state at SM, that's why I am figuring if...quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 03:39 schreef letsgetthiscasesolved het volgende:
Ok all, thanks I'm just looking for some clues about the Johan Stellingwerf case and Joran Van der sloot, JS was always called the ghb raper and now they call him the Valium rapist in dutch newspapers some hours ago.
Some coincidenses:
-He , JoHan never claimed he did it
-Not only his dad but also his mother is a lawyer
-JoHan is agressive, has a two persons in one kind of appereance.
-and so on
He is convicted to prison for 10 years.The thing is, all(well let's say most they still search for his story about one girl which died) are still alive and they could say:'That's the guy who did this to me'
This case needs IMO just only one person who says: Yes, I went out with ... and next morning I was a mess and I cant remember a thing, and my friends saw the unit I was with last night before I left...
Sorry, I said this too direct, 'more about girls in this state at SM, that's why I am figuring if...' means I read stories about girls that had the same experience on ...please 'aruba' or a cruiseship or so...or...
Yeah, sure everything that isn't Western to the bone is a 'roversnest' or are potential terrorists for all Geertje cares, I know, but what I'm interested in is whether Wilders made the same connection Ceasu made. That when push comes to shovel in this case, Balkenende IV'll fall and he'll be the next prime ministre of Holland.quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 04:26 schreef letsgetthiscasesolved het volgende:
Ryan3:LOL..he should..roversnest
I´m back.
Hi,What would you like me to ask them? What stae of mind? You mean under a date rape drug? They won't be familiar with that other Dutch case.quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 04:11 schreef letsgetthiscasesolved het volgende:
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Observer777..will you ask this to the SM board? I'm not Adrian Monk but I read more about girls in this state at SM, that's why I am figuring if...
We had a guy here in the states called Andrew Luster that was a heir to a large cosmetic company. He drugged and filmed many women using GHB and eventually he got caught and fled to Mexico. He will serve the rest of his days in Prison. He never killed anyone but had plenty of video tapes and evidence to put him away for life.
http://www.crimelibrary.c(...)andrew_luster/2.html
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
well, ther aresome reports:
Happy reading!
http://www.tni.org/detail_page.phtml?page=archives_tblick_aruba
Or: the banks of Aruba on- the under and upper-ground:...
Title:The Rothschilds of the Mafia on Aruba
Quote:
'"A magnificent washing-machine is sold here, its trademark is Aruba. The machine is an Aruban-Colombian product, its model called Cartel. The brand is well-known for its good performance in the United States and Europe. It is recommended by former ministers, members of Parliament, owners of casinos, supermarkets, cosmetics manufacturers and importers of cars and batteries. The washing-machine fits everybody who has become inexplicably rich from one day to another."
please read ifyou want to know about aruba and the timeplan..
Happy reading!
http://www.tni.org/detail_page.phtml?page=archives_tblick_aruba
Or: the banks of Aruba on- the under and upper-ground:...
Title:The Rothschilds of the Mafia on Aruba
Quote:
'"A magnificent washing-machine is sold here, its trademark is Aruba. The machine is an Aruban-Colombian product, its model called Cartel. The brand is well-known for its good performance in the United States and Europe. It is recommended by former ministers, members of Parliament, owners of casinos, supermarkets, cosmetics manufacturers and importers of cars and batteries. The washing-machine fits everybody who has become inexplicably rich from one day to another."
please read ifyou want to know about aruba and the timeplan..
Ryan3: I'm confident they will play this game...but..did you read the report about aruba,,
and of course we don't hear a thing..from Tacopinia and the dutch..must be a Gambini case that has to be solved....
and of course we don't hear a thing..from Tacopinia and the dutch..must be a Gambini case that has to be solved....
quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 04:17 schreef Ryan3 het volgende:
Is there btw any statement of Geert Wilders known on this subject?
clickquote:Pinguïnpak
vrijdag 08 februari 2008
Deze week vroeg mijn fractiegenoot Raymond de Roon om een spoeddebat naar aanleiding van de opzienbarende ontwikkelingen rond de verdwijning van Natalee Holloway. Het verzoek werd door de andere partijen afgewezen. Heel Nederland praat erover, maar de Tweede Kamer zwijgt. Weer een schoolvoorbeeld van de enorme kloof tussen de burgers en de Haagse politiek
SPOILEROm spoilers te kunnen lezen moet je zijn ingelogd. Je moet je daarvoor eerst gratis Registreren. Ook kun je spoilers niet lezen als je een ban hebt.Dostojewski: "Je kunt je niet van je eigen gezond verstand overtuigen door je buurman op te sluiten."
Quote Rene van Nie
Bron
quote:Dit artikel stond vandaag in de Diario en leek me belangrijk om te lezen.
We weten dat het onderzoek vanaf dag 1 een teringzooi was. En we weten ook dat het nu te laat is om nog wat nieuws te vinden. Ondertussen telde ik 14 cameraploegen en komt mamma Twitty en haar ex vandaag ook naar Aruba. De hemel beware ons want die dame is niet te vertrouwen!
Kortom, we zitten weer diep in de ellende. Zoals te verwachten was. Daarom stel ik voor - als het nieuwe bewijs flinterdun of 'opgewarmde prak' is zoals de advokaten het noemen en uiteindelijk tot niets zal leiden, het hele O.M. en zeker de macamba's onder hen - per omgaande te ontslaan, inclusief de rechter die over het vasthouden van de jongens heeft beslist. Want dan hebben ze Aruba weer een bijna onherstelbare schade toegebracht.
Bron
Ik ben niet labiel. Ik ben emotioneel flexibel.
Presistence bit was good!quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 03:20 schreef observer777 het volgende:
Excellent video from dutch show aboard the persistence.
http://player.omroep.nl/?aflID=6472985
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Renfro at the end was nasty...
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Dostojewski: "Je kunt je niet van je eigen gezond verstand overtuigen door je buurman op te sluiten."
Ryan here is part of what is in the Archives,There is still a interview that I can't find at the moment with one of the girls Fathers who says what happened to his daughter is eerily familiar to what he read happened to Natalee. She was drugged and assaulted by Joran and also 2 of her classmates.
Aug. 1, 2005 Jossy on OReilly
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWePBCccJiE
Known to have problems with anger and anger management..Flies off the bat most often..At school he had problems,Problems where he goes to drink..He goes to conquer these tourist girls..etc..Jossy confirms rumors about Joran dropping drugs into girls drinks or having someone else do it..Kids from Joran's school at the ISA have informed him that Joran has bragged about it..
Paul VDS was very permissive with him..Let him get away with everything..Father was been seen with him gambling in the Casino and letting him drink.
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Two Observations Thursday, June 23, 2005
Snip from RWV Archive
The second observation will sound like gossip, which basically, it is - please take that into account. If it didn't come through an extremely reliable source on the island, I would not mention it at all.
In talking with an adult professional from Aruba who knew Joran, the individual stated that Joran often bragged to him of his many "sexual conquests" resulting from the use of an illicit substance slipped into a woman's drink and the Aruban individual suggested Joran was a "psychopath."
I doubt that the source of these statements is a certified psychologist, but if he is repeating these types of statements to individuals in and around the investigation, it will likely come out and be proven or disproven in any potential trial. And noone should be considered guilty of anything without one.
http://www.riehlworldview(...)two_observation.html
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Joran
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,186880,00.html
March 6, 2006
VAN SUSTEREN: What — one of the things in this lawsuit that you mention is there's the accusation that you are essentially — that you're a — that you're a predator of some sort, that you've had these relationships with three other American young girls that have gone bad. Do you want to respond to that?
VAN DER SLOOT: Yes, that's something that — everything in that lawsuit is (DELETED). That's something that, you know...
VAN SUSTEREN: That is not true?
VAN DER SLOOT: All those accusations are — nothing in there is true at all. And I mean, they're going to have a hard time. I don't know how they're going to prove that, if nothing of that is true. I mean...
VAN SUSTEREN: Have you ever been accused by a girl...
VAN DER SLOOT: Never. Never.
CONFLICTS
Beth Twitty
http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=3365.0
hannity & colmes - 4/11 with beth
Beth: Well, those young girls...those are the girls, who came forward this summer...I believe they came forward in August, and were giving statements to the police as to what Joran had done to them. And from what I am reading in the same papers that you are, that these young girls, obviously, will feel more comfortable coming forward in New York. I mean, they were really pressured by several different people and officials on the Island of Aruba to retract their statements. And it was difficult enough for them to come forward as it was.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11590518/
February 24, 2006
TWITTY: There were two—I know of two young girls. One was 16 and one was 14 years of age, and it was difficult for these girls to do, but they did come forward. They had to hire an attorney. They gave statements to the police. You know, these were real girls that were coming forward.
We don't know what happened or what transpired, why that never went any further than it did. We don't know if it had something to do with—I was told that Dennis Jacobs (ph) had strongly—had talked to the girls and was really putting the pressure on them to retract this, so you know, we just don't know how far that some individuals in that police department were going to go to put a stop to those girls coming forward. But they were real girls and they had been assaulted by Joran under the influence of drugs.
Jossy Mansur
http://www.scaredmonkeys.(...)rward-against-joran/
August 23, 2005
This is contrary to what also reached the editorial desk, indicating that there is a girl of 17 years old who apparently will press charges against Joran to the authorities for rape. According to this information that reached our editorial desks, apparently there are 3 girls who want to press charges, but that two of them have not yet decided, but that the other does have the intention of pressing charges soon.
Michelle Kosinsi
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9051533/
August 23, 2005
MICHELLE KOSINSKI, NBC CORRESPONDENT …… Well, now this private investigator who has been working on this island for weeks says that he has tracked down one of these young ladies through her attorney. And her attorney says that this young woman claims - and she‘s 17 years old—that she was drugged and that she had unwanted sexual contact of some kind with Joran Van Der Sloot. Furthermore, she claims through her attorney that two of her classmates had a similar experience. And the private investigator sat down with his attorney, talked to her at length about this 17-year-old girl. And he says that she is now willing to go to prosecutors and try to press charges against Van Der Sloot.
Helen Lajuez
http://www.hyscience.com/archives/2005/08/thursday_evenin.php
August 25, 2005
Helen Lajuez reports that a young lady has come to her office and told her that she was drugged and raped by Joran. The girl is a minor, so Helen has to respect her privacy. Helen says the girl was upset as to what had happened. Greta asks: Is there evidence to back up this girl? Helen was unresponsive. Helen described her relationship with the girl as a counselor. When asked about the resolution with Natalee Holloway, Helen just provides hope. Helen did not know the reason why the prosecutor asked for a DNA sample from Joran. She dodged most of Greta's questions.
Arlene Ellis-Schipper
http://www.hyscience.com/archives/2005/08/thursday_evenin.php
Arlene Ellis-Schipper mentions that some girls on a Aruba have been reporting unfortunate encounters with Joran. If the rape is real, it will handled as a separate case. At best, Arlene feels the rape might evolve into a modus oprandi. Prosecutor can arrest Joran for this rape, and it would toll the Natalee Holloway case.
Dave and Robin Holloway
http://www.hyscience.com/archives/2005/08/thursday_evenin.php
Dave Holloway responds to the comment that other women might come forward to complain about Joran. Dave and Robin are so grateful to the girls for coming forward against Joran, the predator. He is so-so on the progress of the investigation. Dave encouraged the prosecutor to go with the charges that they know with which they can prosecute Joran. Robin reveals that one girl on Aruba claims another girl claims to have been drugged and date-raped by Joran. Dave comments that Joran has admitted to sexually assaulting Natalee. He feels Joran will be charged with sexual assault, and sums up with the fact that he doesn't know what happened to Natalee.
Dave Holloway and Beth Twitty
Summons and Complaint
Elizabeth Ann Twitty and Dave Edward Holloway
vs. Joran van der Sloot and Paulus van der Sloot
http://news.findlaw.com/cnn/docs/hw...s21606cmp5.html
12. On at least three occasions prior to May 2005, young Aruban women alleged that they were victims of “date rape” perpetrated by Joran and his accomplices.
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http://news.findlaw.com/cnn/docs/hw...21606cmp15.html
81. Defendant Paulus van der Sloot knew his minor child, Joran van der Sloot, had a long history of sexual assaults on young women.
Tito Lacle/Joran's Lawyer
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,167372,00.html
August 30, 2005
VAN SUSTEREN: Tito, last night we had on the new lawyer for Natalee Holloway's family, who said that a young woman came to her office and said that she had been sexually assaulted by Joran. Are there other women or young women who have come forward? I mean, there seems to be a lot of people are talking a lot about it, but do you know specifically if this is fact?
TITO LACLE, ARUBA TODAY: This is fact, Greta. The lawyer for Joran van der Sloot did confirm yesterday that not one but several people had been interrogated, or he confirmed my story that I heard from my sources, and he confirmed that many people had come forward. He did not give a specific number. He did mention the States and Aruba, that this has happened, and based on that information, that they put this accusation on Joran van der Sloot yesterday.
VAN SUSTEREN: So there are women here in the United States who are also making that allegation against Joran?
LACLE: That is what we were told, Greta.
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DECATUR DAILY
August 31, 2005
ORANJESTAD, Aruba (AP) — ...... A third man was arrested with the Kalpoes but his lawyer said Monday that it was unrelated to Holloway's disappearance.
Freddy Alexander Zedan-Arambatzis, a friend of van der Sloot and the Kalpoes, was arrested on suspicion of having unspecified "physical contact" with a female minor, said his lawyer, Diana Emerencia.
Zedan-Arambatzis, 21, is also suspected of photographing the girl in "tempting poses" and showing the images to other people, Emerencia said.
The Kalpoe brothers and van der Sloot are also suspected of involvement in the incidents, which allegedly occurred before Holloway disappeared, she said.
Emerencia said Zedan-Arambatzis has denied having any physical contact with the girl or taking photos of her, but has admitted to being present when the photos were taken.
The prosecutor's office declined to comment on the case.
Aug. 1, 2005 Jossy on OReilly
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWePBCccJiE
Known to have problems with anger and anger management..Flies off the bat most often..At school he had problems,Problems where he goes to drink..He goes to conquer these tourist girls..etc..Jossy confirms rumors about Joran dropping drugs into girls drinks or having someone else do it..Kids from Joran's school at the ISA have informed him that Joran has bragged about it..
Paul VDS was very permissive with him..Let him get away with everything..Father was been seen with him gambling in the Casino and letting him drink.
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Two Observations Thursday, June 23, 2005
Snip from RWV Archive
The second observation will sound like gossip, which basically, it is - please take that into account. If it didn't come through an extremely reliable source on the island, I would not mention it at all.
In talking with an adult professional from Aruba who knew Joran, the individual stated that Joran often bragged to him of his many "sexual conquests" resulting from the use of an illicit substance slipped into a woman's drink and the Aruban individual suggested Joran was a "psychopath."
I doubt that the source of these statements is a certified psychologist, but if he is repeating these types of statements to individuals in and around the investigation, it will likely come out and be proven or disproven in any potential trial. And noone should be considered guilty of anything without one.
http://www.riehlworldview(...)two_observation.html
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Joran
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,186880,00.html
March 6, 2006
VAN SUSTEREN: What — one of the things in this lawsuit that you mention is there's the accusation that you are essentially — that you're a — that you're a predator of some sort, that you've had these relationships with three other American young girls that have gone bad. Do you want to respond to that?
VAN DER SLOOT: Yes, that's something that — everything in that lawsuit is (DELETED). That's something that, you know...
VAN SUSTEREN: That is not true?
VAN DER SLOOT: All those accusations are — nothing in there is true at all. And I mean, they're going to have a hard time. I don't know how they're going to prove that, if nothing of that is true. I mean...
VAN SUSTEREN: Have you ever been accused by a girl...
VAN DER SLOOT: Never. Never.
CONFLICTS
Beth Twitty
http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=3365.0
hannity & colmes - 4/11 with beth
Beth: Well, those young girls...those are the girls, who came forward this summer...I believe they came forward in August, and were giving statements to the police as to what Joran had done to them. And from what I am reading in the same papers that you are, that these young girls, obviously, will feel more comfortable coming forward in New York. I mean, they were really pressured by several different people and officials on the Island of Aruba to retract their statements. And it was difficult enough for them to come forward as it was.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11590518/
February 24, 2006
TWITTY: There were two—I know of two young girls. One was 16 and one was 14 years of age, and it was difficult for these girls to do, but they did come forward. They had to hire an attorney. They gave statements to the police. You know, these were real girls that were coming forward.
We don't know what happened or what transpired, why that never went any further than it did. We don't know if it had something to do with—I was told that Dennis Jacobs (ph) had strongly—had talked to the girls and was really putting the pressure on them to retract this, so you know, we just don't know how far that some individuals in that police department were going to go to put a stop to those girls coming forward. But they were real girls and they had been assaulted by Joran under the influence of drugs.
Jossy Mansur
http://www.scaredmonkeys.(...)rward-against-joran/
August 23, 2005
This is contrary to what also reached the editorial desk, indicating that there is a girl of 17 years old who apparently will press charges against Joran to the authorities for rape. According to this information that reached our editorial desks, apparently there are 3 girls who want to press charges, but that two of them have not yet decided, but that the other does have the intention of pressing charges soon.
Michelle Kosinsi
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9051533/
August 23, 2005
MICHELLE KOSINSKI, NBC CORRESPONDENT …… Well, now this private investigator who has been working on this island for weeks says that he has tracked down one of these young ladies through her attorney. And her attorney says that this young woman claims - and she‘s 17 years old—that she was drugged and that she had unwanted sexual contact of some kind with Joran Van Der Sloot. Furthermore, she claims through her attorney that two of her classmates had a similar experience. And the private investigator sat down with his attorney, talked to her at length about this 17-year-old girl. And he says that she is now willing to go to prosecutors and try to press charges against Van Der Sloot.
Helen Lajuez
http://www.hyscience.com/archives/2005/08/thursday_evenin.php
August 25, 2005
Helen Lajuez reports that a young lady has come to her office and told her that she was drugged and raped by Joran. The girl is a minor, so Helen has to respect her privacy. Helen says the girl was upset as to what had happened. Greta asks: Is there evidence to back up this girl? Helen was unresponsive. Helen described her relationship with the girl as a counselor. When asked about the resolution with Natalee Holloway, Helen just provides hope. Helen did not know the reason why the prosecutor asked for a DNA sample from Joran. She dodged most of Greta's questions.
Arlene Ellis-Schipper
http://www.hyscience.com/archives/2005/08/thursday_evenin.php
Arlene Ellis-Schipper mentions that some girls on a Aruba have been reporting unfortunate encounters with Joran. If the rape is real, it will handled as a separate case. At best, Arlene feels the rape might evolve into a modus oprandi. Prosecutor can arrest Joran for this rape, and it would toll the Natalee Holloway case.
Dave and Robin Holloway
http://www.hyscience.com/archives/2005/08/thursday_evenin.php
Dave Holloway responds to the comment that other women might come forward to complain about Joran. Dave and Robin are so grateful to the girls for coming forward against Joran, the predator. He is so-so on the progress of the investigation. Dave encouraged the prosecutor to go with the charges that they know with which they can prosecute Joran. Robin reveals that one girl on Aruba claims another girl claims to have been drugged and date-raped by Joran. Dave comments that Joran has admitted to sexually assaulting Natalee. He feels Joran will be charged with sexual assault, and sums up with the fact that he doesn't know what happened to Natalee.
Dave Holloway and Beth Twitty
Summons and Complaint
Elizabeth Ann Twitty and Dave Edward Holloway
vs. Joran van der Sloot and Paulus van der Sloot
http://news.findlaw.com/cnn/docs/hw...s21606cmp5.html
12. On at least three occasions prior to May 2005, young Aruban women alleged that they were victims of “date rape” perpetrated by Joran and his accomplices.
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http://news.findlaw.com/cnn/docs/hw...21606cmp15.html
81. Defendant Paulus van der Sloot knew his minor child, Joran van der Sloot, had a long history of sexual assaults on young women.
Tito Lacle/Joran's Lawyer
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,167372,00.html
August 30, 2005
VAN SUSTEREN: Tito, last night we had on the new lawyer for Natalee Holloway's family, who said that a young woman came to her office and said that she had been sexually assaulted by Joran. Are there other women or young women who have come forward? I mean, there seems to be a lot of people are talking a lot about it, but do you know specifically if this is fact?
TITO LACLE, ARUBA TODAY: This is fact, Greta. The lawyer for Joran van der Sloot did confirm yesterday that not one but several people had been interrogated, or he confirmed my story that I heard from my sources, and he confirmed that many people had come forward. He did not give a specific number. He did mention the States and Aruba, that this has happened, and based on that information, that they put this accusation on Joran van der Sloot yesterday.
VAN SUSTEREN: So there are women here in the United States who are also making that allegation against Joran?
LACLE: That is what we were told, Greta.
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DECATUR DAILY
August 31, 2005
ORANJESTAD, Aruba (AP) — ...... A third man was arrested with the Kalpoes but his lawyer said Monday that it was unrelated to Holloway's disappearance.
Freddy Alexander Zedan-Arambatzis, a friend of van der Sloot and the Kalpoes, was arrested on suspicion of having unspecified "physical contact" with a female minor, said his lawyer, Diana Emerencia.
Zedan-Arambatzis, 21, is also suspected of photographing the girl in "tempting poses" and showing the images to other people, Emerencia said.
The Kalpoe brothers and van der Sloot are also suspected of involvement in the incidents, which allegedly occurred before Holloway disappeared, she said.
Emerencia said Zedan-Arambatzis has denied having any physical contact with the girl or taking photos of her, but has admitted to being present when the photos were taken.
The prosecutor's office declined to comment on the case.
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
I just checked the show over the internet, not much new info was given.quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 03:20 schreef observer777 het volgende:
Excellent video from dutch show aboard the persistence.
http://player.omroep.nl/?aflID=6472985
[ afbeelding ]
I know the ocean overhere (I'm a diver), also in the area of the California Lighthouse and I doubt if they ever will find the body of Nattalee after such a long time.
You saw/heared the locals who blame the US for boycotting Aruba and punishing them for the incident that took place.
You probably also heared mr. Croes saying that JvdS before was known as a local, while he was born and raised on Aruba, but is called a 'persona non grata' nowadays because of the damage he has done to the image and economy of Aruba...?
How does that fit to the coverup-conspiracy in your opinion?
BwennieBren,
You are a big time troll and it is obvious. You are nothing like me,everything I have posted is the truth while you are leading everyone in the opposite direction with lies and dis-information.I am trying to solve this case and find the truth you are trying to misinform these people here with absurd,ridiculous and wrong information. I knew it from your first post,you were not misinformed you have a agenda and that is a shame. Rene'e Gielen,Julia Renfro and your 2 fake psychics have been caught lying as much as Joran has. This dis-information campaign is so ludicrous,ridiculous and no one believes it. Everything you post has no credibility at all. You really should go back to RU as you are waisting your time and bandwith on this board.
[ Bericht 10% gewijzigd door observer777 op 13-02-2008 05:54:55 ]
You are a big time troll and it is obvious. You are nothing like me,everything I have posted is the truth while you are leading everyone in the opposite direction with lies and dis-information.I am trying to solve this case and find the truth you are trying to misinform these people here with absurd,ridiculous and wrong information. I knew it from your first post,you were not misinformed you have a agenda and that is a shame. Rene'e Gielen,Julia Renfro and your 2 fake psychics have been caught lying as much as Joran has. This dis-information campaign is so ludicrous,ridiculous and no one believes it. Everything you post has no credibility at all. You really should go back to RU as you are waisting your time and bandwith on this board.
[ Bericht 10% gewijzigd door observer777 op 13-02-2008 05:54:55 ]
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
Excuse me? I'm on this board since 1999 wtf are you to tell me to go to another board. Maybe you are the troll here providing us with your SM crock of bullshit, assumptios, blablabla but no facts! Stick that in your.... whatever! And you are right, you are nothing like me not at the least....quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 05:49 schreef observer777 het volgende:
BwennieBren,
You are a big time troll and it is obvious. You are nothing like me,everything I have posted is the truth while you are leading everyone in the opposite direction with lies and dis-information. I knew it from your first post,you were not misinformed you have a agenda and that is a shame. Rene'e Gielen,Julia Renfro and your 2 fake psychics have been caught lying as much as Joran has. This dis-information campaign is so ludicrous,ridiculous and no one believes it. Everything you post has no credibility at all. You really should go back to RU as you are waisting your time and bandwith on this board.
BTW My last post is a from the newspaper The Dario (your friend Jossy Mansur remember? written by your friend Art Wood?) I didn't typed it myself.... fool! [insert]middlefinger[/insert]
Ik ben niet labiel. Ik ben emotioneel flexibel.
Mag ik na je post hierboven even gniffelen of wordt dat verkeerd uitgelegd hier...?quote:Ik ben niet labiel. Ik ben emotioneel flexibel.
Wat mij betreft heb je groot gelijk...
Observer777quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 05:49 schreef observer777 het volgende:
BwennieBren,
You are a big time troll and it is obvious. You are nothing like me,everything I have posted is the truth while you are leading everyone in the opposite direction with lies and dis-information.I am trying to solve this case and find the truth you are trying to misinform these people here with absurd,ridiculous and wrong information. I knew it from your first post,you were not misinformed you have a agenda and that is a shame. Rene'e Gielen,Julia Renfro and your 2 fake psychics have been caught lying as much as Joran has. This dis-information campaign is so ludicrous,ridiculous and no one believes it. Everything you post has no credibility at all. You really should go back to RU as you are waisting your time and bandwith on this board.
if some one is critical of your reseach, and starts taking away things you present as FACTS, With "counter fact" That's a discussion, apperently you only see what you want to see, believe reports from FOX news as the truth, (Now even you should know that's a joke those people allmost never get the facts strait (according to them Holland is a different country then the Netherlands) it's not true just beacause someone said so. Back up you data with facts
And i'm sorry to say but...the picture with an arm looks more like a pelican leg (i not an expert so it could be something different)
If you look at BwennieBren history here at FOK, you should figure out that he's a true user of the forum and not some just here for the Joran case)
You are starting to sound like a distressed american trying to bent the intelligence to to support facts that arn't there,
and that my dear will set you on a path of ignorance. be open for discussion's about the things you present and let the people at FOK make up there own minds. Just like you did at SM.
If you cant stand the heat.....get out of the kitchen.
Welcome Mr. President, How can we serve you,
quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 06:09 schreef MadMaster het volgende:
[..]
Mag ik na je post hierboven even gniffelen of wordt dat verkeerd uitgelegd hier...?
Wat mij betreft heb je groot gelijk...
Lach, gier, brul, ik doe het nu ook
Ik ben niet labiel. Ik ben emotioneel flexibel.
Hello MM..They are concentrating on one area off the NW tip,as you know there is so much more ocean around Aruba. But they did say they can locate anything bigger than a baseball,that is if she was put in something like a cage or a barrel.. As you know being a diver if she was just dumped in the ocean she will never be found. I hope for the people of Aruba and Natalee's Family she is found as this search cannot go on forever. Have you ever dived on the North East shore before? How difficult is it to launch a boat by where the old Natural bridge was?quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 05:41 schreef MadMaster het volgende:
[..]
I just checked the show over the internet, not much new info was given.
I know the ocean overhere (I'm a diver), also in the area of the California Lighthouse and I doubt if they ever will find the body of Nattalee after such a long time.
You saw/heared the locals who blame the US for boycotting Aruba and punishing them for the incident that took place.
You probably also heared mr. Croes saying that JvdS before was known as a local, while he was born and raised on Aruba, but is called a 'persona non grata' nowadays because of the damage he has done to the image and economy of Aruba...?
How does that fit to the coverup-conspiracy in your opinion?
The Aruban people have been fed a boatload of bad info on this case and I am glad they saw the real Joran and it made everyone at SM feel good to see them finally get some truth. I pray someone else speaks up or they question the dirty cops and prosecuters that killed this case back in 2005,because Joran will never tell the truth. Sorry,but I do not trust Rudy Croes at all and it was all for public consumption. You know my opinion and it has been stated on the media a few times recently,they knew what happened to Natalee in the first few days,but here we are almost 3 years later with still no resolution.
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
Een reaktie op SM:
Now I'm realy scared...quote:Saoirse on February 12th, 2008 1:47 am
Netherlands - Is not what happened to Natalee a violation of Article 3(prohibition of inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment) of the European COnvention on Human Rights?
Like what you did to Eduardo Matthew?
Refunjol must fall. Then all fall. He is DirtyHand.
Write letters to Dutch Embassy in the U.S.
Write letters to the Queen Bea.
Make reservations to Aruba and do not cancel them. That will tie up rooms. Do not travel there, just book the reservations.
Write the 5 major airlines that travel there.
Petition to have Aruba & Netherlands listed as dangers to women by U. S State Department.
Boycott products made/owned by the Netherlands.
I Can’t Believe It’s Not Butter
Ben & Jerry’s Ice Cream
Phillips Light products
Lumileds LEDs
Royal Dutch Airlines
Heineken
Amstel
Groslch
IKEA
Unilever
Tom Tom PGS
Norellco
Royalties from every DVD you purchase
Fudgsicle
Hellman’s mayonaise
Imperial Margarine
Karo Syrups
Lipton Tea
Popsicle
Ragu
Skippy peanut butter
SLim Fast
Wish Bone Salad Dressing
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Dutch_companies
Refunjol must fall. Then all fall. DirtyHand walks in all circles.
Although there are some small bays, it's impossible to get a boat into the water at the north-side of Aruba.quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 06:21 schreef observer777 het volgende:
[..]
As you know being a diver if she was just dumped in the ocean she will never be found. I hope for the people of Aruba and Natalee's Family she is found as this search cannot go on forever. Have you ever dived on the North East shore before? How difficult is it to launch a boat by where the old Natural bridge was?
Most of the north-side of the island has high rocks and the water is smashing on it.
I would never go in the water on that side of the island, not even with a boat.
The chance you will be smashed against the rocks is almost 100%, I think...
The Aruban people...quote:The Aruban people have been fed a boatload of bad info on this case and I am glad they saw the real Joran and it made everyone at SM feel good to see them finally get some truth. I pray someone else speaks up or they question the dirty cops and prosecuters that killed this case back in 2005,because Joran will never tell the truth. Sorry,but I do not trust Rudy Croes at all and it was all for public consumption. You know my opinion and it has been stated on the media a few times recently,they knew what happened to Natalee in the first few days,but here we are almost 3 years later with still no resolution.
How many of the 120.000 people did that?
Still disagree on the bold part of your opinion, but we'll see what comes out. Maybe I'm wrong, in that case you will have my credits. Maybe you're wrong, hopefully I will have your credits too in that case...
No!!quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 06:22 schreef MadMaster het volgende:
Een reaktie op SM:
[..]
Now I'm realy scared...
No Skippy Peanut Butter!! 
Ik ben niet labiel. Ik ben emotioneel flexibel.
LOL!! SHe hasn't taken away one thing I presented as fact or the truth. She looked through all my posts and all she came up with was one post about one bone found in Venezuela that was reported to be monkey bones,then a prop and now a pelican? Are you kidding me? DId I say it was a fact what it was? Take a look at her first post to me and you will see her agenda,she doesn't look for the truth but instead pushes her own agenda,and you are doing the same. It is all too obvious..Maybe you both believe Rene'e Gielen,Julia Renfro et al..And can never be convinced othewise. I don't know and don't care..I have seen it all too often throughout this nightmare. You can follow the disinformation story and wrong info,it doesnt matter to me because I will continue to tell people the truth what happened in Aruba.quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 06:10 schreef WallOfStars het volgende:
[..]
Observer777
if some one is critical of your reseach, and starts taking away things you present as FACTS, With "counter fact" That's a discussion, apperently you only see what you want to see, believe reports from FOX news as the truth, (Now even you should know that's a joke those people allmost never get the facts strait (according to them Holland is a different country then the Netherlands) it's not true just beacause someone said so. Back up you data with facts
And i'm sorry to say but...the picture with an arm looks more like a pelican leg (i not an expert so it could be something different)
If you look at BwennieBren history here at FOK, you should figure out that he's a true user of the forum and not some just here for the Joran case)
You are starting to sound like a distressed american trying to bent the intelligence to to support facts that arn't there,
and that my dear will set you on a path of ignorance. be open for discussion's about the things you present and let the people at FOK make up there own minds. Just like you did at SM.
If you cant stand the heat.....get out of the kitchen.
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
Thanks MM! I didn't realize it was impossible! The reason I ask is because PVDS was spotted there one day early in the case on the road from the Alto Vista church early in the morning before search teams arrived. It was a weird situation as it was a day after they found that belt and he made eye contact with one of the lead searchers as they drove by each other. Also some speculate about the shallow grave found and possibly Natalee's top that they said was fish net was also on that North Eastern part of the island.quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 06:28 schreef MadMaster het volgende:
[..]
Although there are some small bays, it's impossible to get a boat into the water at the north-side of Aruba.
Most of the north-side of the island has high rocks and the water is smashing on it.
I would never go in the water on that side of the island, not even with a boat.
The chance you will be smashed against the rocks is almost 100%, I think...
[..]
The Aruban people...
How many of the 120.000 people did that?
Still disagree on the bold part of your opinion, but we'll see what comes out. Maybe I'm wrong, in that case you will have my credits. Maybe you're wrong, hopefully I will have your credits too in that case...
Remember I have spoken to Aruban people and I like them,it is the perps,the people that covered up and the Aruban Govt that I despise. Sounds like the majority of the Aruban people are starting to feel the same way. I know in the past the ones I spoke to felt that way but were scared,didn't want to get involved and felt there was nothing they could do about it.
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"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
Maybe we should all start writing Shell/BP, Unilever, Heineken, ABN-AMRO, ASML, to stop doing buisness with the US,quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 06:22 schreef MadMaster het volgende:
Een reaktie op SM:
[..]
Now I'm realy scared...
apperenlty the haven't figured out that out, Let see what happens when Philips stop shipping lightbulbs.
They need us a lot harder then we need them. after Japan, we are the biggest investors in the US economy.
we are small, but economicly power full. lets ask te rest of europe to help devaluate the Dollar a little more.
lets say....5 dollars for a euro.....
Welcome Mr. President, How can we serve you,
quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 06:48 schreef WallOfStars het volgende:
[..]
Maybe we should all start writing Shell/BP, Unilever, Heineken, ABN-AMRO, ASML, to stop doing buisness with the US,
apperenlty the haven't figured out that out, Let see what happens when Philips stop shipping lightbulbs.
They need us a lot harder then we need them. after Japan, we are the biggest investors in the US economy.
we are small, but economicly power full. lets ask te rest of europe to help devaluate the Dollar a little more.
lets say....5 dollars for a euro.....
ik ben weg want ik verveel me met het aapje. 
Slaapze/werkze lui
Ik ben niet labiel. Ik ben emotioneel flexibel.
Observer777quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 06:35 schreef observer777 het volgende:
[..]
LOL!! SHe hasn't taken away one thing I presented as fact or the truth. She looked through all my posts and all she came up with was one post about one bone found in Venezuela that was reported to be monkey bones,then a prop and now a pelican? Are you kidding me? DId I say it was a fact what it was? Take a look at her first post to me and you will see her agenda,she doesn't look for the truth but instead pushes her own agenda,and you are doing the same. It is all too obvious..Maybe you both believe Rene'e Gielen,Julia Renfro et al..And can never be convinced othewise. I don't know and don't care..I have seen it all too often throughout this nightmare. You can follow the disinformation story and wrong info,it doesnt matter to me because I will continue to tell people the truth what happened in Aruba.
I cant tell you i don't have an agenda. And im pretty much PRO-US in allmost all cases, my Icon if haven't figured it out is the memorial wall at the CIA.
I dont believe Rene gielen or Julia Renfo, and i think there is a big coverup in the holoway case.But you state that you tell the truth, as an reader of a lot of Intelligence issue's around the globe, i can garantee you that the "media" isn't doing its job to tell the Thruth but to make money, even more so on your side of the water then over here.
But a media report, is not the thruth, it's fact intermixed with opninion's and marketing value. If the story doesnt make money it's not run. NOT of FOX, not on CNN, and not even on RTL4 (dutch T.v)
and in most cases (expect where you provide PSV or other documents that are fact) you base a lot of your work on the media reports. wich are unprovable for you and me without direct acces to the information.
You shouldn't accept the media reports as the truth. The MEDIA (thanks to influances from the outside) was sure there were WMD in iraq. and we all know how that turned out.
[ Bericht 0% gewijzigd door WallOfStars op 13-02-2008 07:07:16 ]
Welcome Mr. President, How can we serve you,
Your very wrong about that. Our news reporters here in the states are terrible when they report about this case. Not one of them knows what they are talking about and they present wrong info because of that. Often they have breaking news about things that we knew at SM long before them,in some cases we knew it years before. I read,listen and observe everything written and talked about before I make a decision what I believe in. Often its from many many different credible sources,people that were there and saw it,investigated it in Aruba or the words right from the very same people in this case. So much happened in this case that never was reported in the Media/American TV,it took years of research and fact finding to find what was credible and what was not.quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 07:00 schreef WallOfStars het volgende:
[..]
Observer777
I cant tell you i don't have an agenda. And im pretty much PRO-US in allmost all cases, my Icon if haven't figured it out is the memorial wall at the CIA.
I dont believe Rene gielen or Julia Renfo, and i think there is a big coverup in the holoway case.But you state that you tell the truth, as an reader of a lot of Intelligence issue's around the globe, i can garantee you that the "media" isn't doing its job to tell the Thruth but to make money, even more so on your side of the water then over here.
But a media report, is not the thruth, it's fact intermixed with opninion's and marketing value. If the story doesnt make money it's not run. NOT of FOX, not on CNN, and not even on RTL4 (dutch T.v)
and in most cases (expect where you provide PSV or other documents that are fact) you base a lot of your work on the media reports. wich are unprovable for you and me with direct acces to the information.
You shouldn't accept the media reports as the truth. The MEDIA (thanks to influances from the outside) was sure there were WMD in iraq. and we all know how that turned out.
[ Bericht 0% gewijzigd door observer777 op 13-02-2008 07:17:32 ]
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
Then why the hell, do you Quote all these sources if you know the media in the US sucks bigtime....quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 05:40 schreef observer777 het volgende:
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Aug. 1, 2005 Jossy on OReilly
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWePBCccJiE
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Two Observations Thursday, June 23, 2005
Snip from RWV Archive
http://www.riehlworldview(...)two_observation.html
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Joran
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,186880,00.html
March 6, 2006
VAN SUSTEREN: What — one of the things in this lawsuit that you mention is there's the accusation that you are essentially — that you're a — that you're a predator of some sort, that you've had these relationships with three other American young girls that have gone bad. Do you want to respond to that?
VAN DER SLOOT: Yes, that's something that — everything in that lawsuit is (DELETED). That's something that, you know...
VAN SUSTEREN: That is not true?
VAN DER SLOOT: All those accusations are — nothing in there is true at all. And I mean, they're going to have a hard time. I don't know how they're going to prove that, if nothing of that is true. I mean...
VAN SUSTEREN: Have you ever been accused by a girl...
VAN DER SLOOT: Never. Never.
CONFLICTS
Beth Twitty
http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=3365.0
hannity & colmes - 4/11 with beth
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11590518/
February 24, 2006
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9051533/
August 23, 2005
Helen Lajuez
http://www.hyscience.com/archives/2005/08/thursday_evenin.php
August 25, 2005
Arlene Ellis-Schipper
http://www.hyscience.com/archives/2005/08/thursday_evenin.php
Dave and Robin Holloway
http://www.hyscience.com/archives/2005/08/thursday_evenin.php
http://news.findlaw.com/cnn/docs/hw...s21606cmp5.html
http://news.findlaw.com/cnn/docs/hw...21606cmp15.html
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,167372,00.html
August 30, 2005
LACLE: That is what we were told, Greta.
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DECATUR DAILY
August 31, 2005
ORANJESTAD, Aruba (AP) — ...... A third man was arrested with the Kalpoes but his lawyer said Monday that it was unrelated to Holloway's disappearance.
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all of these are MEDIA reports. then please give me the raw info, i can provide mail adres where you can send it.
Encrypted if you want
[ Bericht 25% gewijzigd door WallOfStars op 13-02-2008 07:27:05 ]
Welcome Mr. President, How can we serve you,
Sorry guys...MADMaster is on board...get rid of this really BIG TROL....even tried to get on SM..hey madman, how's the diving?
The reporters in the media suck big time,and you are twisting things around as usual and looking foolish. It is the people that investigated it that is important,the ones being interviewed by the media. Ryan wanted to know more why the hell I thought Joran gave Natalee a date rape drug,that is just a small fraction of the data I looked at and theres still a lot more. That happened to be mostly TV programs interviewing Jossy Mansur,Beth Holloway,Dave Holloway,Jorans Psychologist,The Holloway Attorney and others. I also saw the interview with the Father of one of the girls that Joran drugged and raped,plus I read all the PV'S about Natalee in and out of conscioussness as Joran sexually assaulted her. I look at everything before I make a decision,just because Greta Van Idiot says something I certainly don't believe it without seeing it backed up by people who know,saw,talked to,investigated it..etc.quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 07:16 schreef WallOfStars het volgende:
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Then why the hell, do you Quote all these sources if you know the media in the US sucks bigtime....
all of these are MEDIA reports.
Just like when someone here said it was BS that blood was ever reported in Deepak's car. I showed that Rudy Croes,Nelson Oduber,FBI and some ALE all reported it. Yes it was in the media,but they reported it right out of the mouths of the people themselves.You remind me of the guy that wanted a official source on PVDS'S supreme court decision,I translated it and gave him the link. He complained it wasn't it dutch so I gave him the translator,then he complained because he wanted a official newspaper. I pointed out that it was diario Aruba's biggest newspaper,havent heard anything more about that since. You keep twisting things around and I am not gonna play your game..G-Night!
[ Bericht 5% gewijzigd door observer777 op 13-02-2008 07:37:23 ]
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
BTW: if you are looking for a girl that has stil to come forward;;here is something;:
VAN SUSTEREN: Tito, last night we had on the new lawyer for Natalee Holloway's family, who said that a young woman came to her office and said that she had been sexually assaulted by Joran. Are there other women or young women who have come forward? I mean, there seems to be a lot of people are talking a lot about it, but do you know specifically if this is fact?
TITO LACLE, ARUBA TODAY: This is fact, Greta. The lawyer for Joran van der Sloot did confirm yesterday that not one but several people had been interrogated, or he confirmed my story that I heard from my sources, and he confirmed that many people had come forward. He did not give a specific number. He did mention the States and Aruba, that this has happened, and based on that information, that they put this accusation on Joran van der Sloot yesterday.
VAN SUSTEREN: So there are women here in the United States who are also making that allegation against Joran?
LACLE: That is what we were told, Greta.
VAN SUSTEREN: Tito, last night we had on the new lawyer for Natalee Holloway's family, who said that a young woman came to her office and said that she had been sexually assaulted by Joran. Are there other women or young women who have come forward? I mean, there seems to be a lot of people are talking a lot about it, but do you know specifically if this is fact?
TITO LACLE, ARUBA TODAY: This is fact, Greta. The lawyer for Joran van der Sloot did confirm yesterday that not one but several people had been interrogated, or he confirmed my story that I heard from my sources, and he confirmed that many people had come forward. He did not give a specific number. He did mention the States and Aruba, that this has happened, and based on that information, that they put this accusation on Joran van der Sloot yesterday.
VAN SUSTEREN: So there are women here in the United States who are also making that allegation against Joran?
LACLE: That is what we were told, Greta.
you could have sended the data....if it wasnt a media report.....you just lost at your own game.quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 07:30 schreef observer777 het volgende:
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The reporters in the media suck big time,and you are twisting things around as usual and looking foolish. It is the people that investigated it that is important,the ones being interviewed by the media. Ryan wanted to know more why the hell I thought Joran gave Natalee a date rape drug,that is just a small fraction of the data I looked at and theres still a lot more. That happened to be mostly TV programs interviewing Jossy Mansur,Beth Holloway,Dave Holloway,Jorans Psychologist,The Holloway Attorney and others. I also saw the interview with the Father of one of the girls that Joran drugged and raped,plus I read all the PV'S about Natalee in and out of conscioussness as Joran sexually assaulted her. I look at everything before I make a decision,just because Greta Van Idiot says something I certainly don't believe it without seeing it backed up by people who know,saw,talked to,investigated it..etc.
Just like when someone here said it was BS that blood was ever reported in Deepak's car. I showed that Rudy Croes,Nelson Oduber,FBI and some ALE all reported it. Yes it was in the media,but they reported it right out of the mouths of the people themselves.You keep twisting things around and I am not gonna play your game..G-Night!
Good luck. And just like you i hope Natalee Holoway case will be solved on day. and the people who are responsible will go to jail.
John 8:32
Welcome Mr. President, How can we serve you,
Read this:
'I showed that Rudy Croes,Nelson Oduber,FBI and some ALE all reported it. Yes it was in the media,but they reported it right out of the mouths of the people themselves.You keep twisting things around and I am not gonna play your game..G-Night!'
thats what has happened to some dutch news-cases in papers too..the links are there and whoops..off the board..strange.
Jossy, he knows a lot of stuff if all..he should give an interview with the dutch News (ANP or RTL)
'I showed that Rudy Croes,Nelson Oduber,FBI and some ALE all reported it. Yes it was in the media,but they reported it right out of the mouths of the people themselves.You keep twisting things around and I am not gonna play your game..G-Night!'
thats what has happened to some dutch news-cases in papers too..the links are there and whoops..off the board..strange.
Jossy, he knows a lot of stuff if all..he should give an interview with the dutch News (ANP or RTL)
Beth Holloway & Peter R. DeVries on Dana Pretzer Show on Scared Monkeys Radio
This will be available on Podcast for those in Holland who cannot listen to it live!
Tune in Wednesday night at 9 PM EDT (Thursday 3AM in Holland)for the Dana Pretzer Show on Scared Monkeys radio when Dana will be interviewing special guests:
Beth Holloway – The mother of missing Natalee Holloway. Beth has battled and persevered the many ups and downs of Natalee’s case and has remained steadfast in her fight for answer and Justice for Natalee. Beth has not only continued her fight for missing Natalee Holloway, but also has become the voice for other missing persons and has made an effort to make people aware of traveling abroad in speeches and The International Safe Travels Foundation.
Peter R. DeVries – The Dutch Crime Investigator (Bio) who captured Joran Van der Sloot’s admissions and confessions on secret video tape. Peter_r_devries4Peter R. DeVries did what the Aruban police could not. DeVries lulled Joran into a false sense of security and got Joran Van der Sloot to admit his involvement in Natalee’s death and disappearance. DeVries has been on Joran Van der Sloot’s tail for quite some time and it would appear that Peter R. DeVries has finally gotten his man.
http://tinyurl.com/ysqsmz
http://scaredmonkeys.com/(...)cared-monkeys-radio/
This will be available on Podcast for those in Holland who cannot listen to it live!
Tune in Wednesday night at 9 PM EDT (Thursday 3AM in Holland)for the Dana Pretzer Show on Scared Monkeys radio when Dana will be interviewing special guests:
Beth Holloway – The mother of missing Natalee Holloway. Beth has battled and persevered the many ups and downs of Natalee’s case and has remained steadfast in her fight for answer and Justice for Natalee. Beth has not only continued her fight for missing Natalee Holloway, but also has become the voice for other missing persons and has made an effort to make people aware of traveling abroad in speeches and The International Safe Travels Foundation.
Peter R. DeVries – The Dutch Crime Investigator (Bio) who captured Joran Van der Sloot’s admissions and confessions on secret video tape. Peter_r_devries4Peter R. DeVries did what the Aruban police could not. DeVries lulled Joran into a false sense of security and got Joran Van der Sloot to admit his involvement in Natalee’s death and disappearance. DeVries has been on Joran Van der Sloot’s tail for quite some time and it would appear that Peter R. DeVries has finally gotten his man.
http://tinyurl.com/ysqsmz
http://scaredmonkeys.com/(...)cared-monkeys-radio/
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
Thats a good find! I guess because it was in the media wall won't believe it. Tito said it was fact that he heard this through his sources so I guess he will need a video of Joran doing the dirty deed? The Lawyer who spoke to the young girl I guess isn't credible either?quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 07:32 schreef letsgetthiscasesolved het volgende:
BTW: if you are looking for a girl that has stil to come forward;;here is something;:
VAN SUSTEREN: Tito, last night we had on the new lawyer for Natalee Holloway's family, who said that a young woman came to her office and said that she had been sexually assaulted by Joran. Are there other women or young women who have come forward? I mean, there seems to be a lot of people are talking a lot about it, but do you know specifically if this is fact?
TITO LACLE, ARUBA TODAY: This is fact, Greta. The lawyer for Joran van der Sloot did confirm yesterday that not one but several people had been interrogated, or he confirmed my story that I heard from my sources, and he confirmed that many people had come forward. He did not give a specific number. He did mention the States and Aruba, that this has happened, and based on that information, that they put this accusation on Joran van der Sloot yesterday.
VAN SUSTEREN: So there are women here in the United States who are also making that allegation against Joran?
LACLE: That is what we were told, Greta.
Shall we start counting how many credible people have said Joran had sexually assaulted and drugged others before Natalee? Shall we see how many different sources we can find before the nay sayers and spinners will agree that maybe it is true? Obviously some aren't here to learn the truth and after one thing is proven they move on to something else to attack.
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
"He complained it wasn't it dutch so I gave him the translator,then he complained because he wanted a official newspaper. I pointed out that it was diario Aruba's biggest newspaper,havent heard anything more about that since. You keep twisting things around and I am not gonna play your game..G-Night!"
Keep this in mind...wel all well it started at the dutch, don't give much about money, clothes, house, but power.....
This about power US don't know what it means..serious..for example see the move 06/05 by theo van gogh.
the dutch just like to have the power to win some, doesn't matter what kind of case.
Said this about the power etc feel free to comment, to me!
Keep this in mind...wel all well it started at the dutch, don't give much about money, clothes, house, but power.....
This about power US don't know what it means..serious..for example see the move 06/05 by theo van gogh.
the dutch just like to have the power to win some, doesn't matter what kind of case.
Said this about the power etc feel free to comment, to me!
if I compare it with another case in NL you need those (formal) girls..otherwise there is a story but no girl, to say it at least a bit rough...lets go back to the pimps etc. Just curious:What about Lor. v. Rijn....quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 07:59 schreef observer777 het volgende:
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Thats a good find! I guess because it was in the media wall won't believe it. Tito said it was fact that he heard this through his sources so I guess he will need a video of Joran doing the dirty deed? The Lawyer who spoke to the young girl I guess isn't credible either?
Wat is hier aaan de handquote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 07:19 schreef letsgetthiscasesolved het volgende:
Sorry guys...MADMaster is on board...get rid of this really BIG TROL....even tried to get on SM..hey madman, how's the diving?
Een verstandig mens doet wat ik ook al een tijdje deed en nu weer verder ga doen : de vooringenomen figuren negeren. Laat ze maar lekker onder elkaar verder gaan, met bij elkaar geraapte onzin kletsen !!!!
Ga fietsen jij !! ikke niet hoor..
that was uncalled for.quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 09:04 schreef letsgetthiscasesolved het volgende:
deedeetee:
Sorry...ff doorbijtten...klein beetje en klaar!
i want to hear MadMaster's take on things too.
after all he is afaik the only one here who is actually ON the island.
Dostojewski: "Je kunt je niet van je eigen gezond verstand overtuigen door je buurman op te sluiten."
Observer777quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 07:59 schreef observer777 het volgende:
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Thats a good find! I guess because it was in the media wall won't believe it. Tito said it was fact that he heard this through his sources so I guess he will need a video of Joran doing the dirty deed? The Lawyer who spoke to the young girl I guess isn't credible either?
I'll believe the report, when she goes public. Not if it's just some girl somewhere....not verifiable for anyone.
Not everthing the media reports is untrue...but the motive why the report it ...isnt the search for the truth, but the amount of viewers (in most cases)
think about what natalee's mom claimed on the Dr. Phil show...and kept saying for some time, it is proven the tape was altered to fit Dr. Phils case.
give me facts, not hear say.
Welcome Mr. President, How can we serve you,
Mij ook best hoor, veel plezier nog verderquote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 09:05 schreef Caesu het volgende:
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that was uncalled for.
i want to hear MadMaster's take on things too.
after all he is afaik the only one here who is actually ON the island.
Ga fietsen jij !! ikke niet hoor..
Ook leuk
JORAN SPEELT MET DE ONDERZOEKERS
Volgens mij speelt Joran een spelletje met justitie. Nu weer met die schoenen. Volgens Joran is hij de bewuste nacht zijn schoenen kwijt geraakt. Gekleurde gymschoenen, liet hij weten. En heel Aruba weer druk in de weer om een ondergelopen stuk land leeg te pompen. Zonder resultaat. Natuurlijk zonder resultaat want Jossy Mansur van de Diario kwam met een foto van Joran in Carlos en Charlie op de bewuste avond en daarop is te zien dat hij een paar stevige bruine stappers droeg. Hij stuurt iedereen dus in het rond, komt gisteren met dit en vandaag met dat en het is allemaal flauwekul. Maar hij houdt daarmee een heel eiland in de greep en lacht zich suf daar in zijn cel want hij weet dat hij binnenkort toch vrij man is. Ik vraag me wel af of de familie v.d.Sloot nog op Aruba kan blijven wonen.Ik dacht het niet, maar het zou me ook niets verbazen als Pappa en Zoon maling hebben aan iedereen en Joran de volgende maand weer in Carlos en Charlie aan het swingen is en Pappa met wachtgeld van de Nederlandse Staat op zijn platte kont in de zon op het Arubaanse strand ligt.
Ik geloof dus absoluut niet meer dat er duidelijkheid komt in deze zaak. Al blijven CNN en FOX ook nog zo hard doorhameren elke avond. Want mocht Joran het hebben gedaan dan heeft hij de perfecte moord gepleegd. Ondertussen is Aruba in de ban van de komende verkiezingen gekomen en dan is Natalie nog minder dan een bijzaak.
http://www.renevannie.com/inhoud/kritisch/_kritisch2005.html
Het is wel DE Jossy Mansur natuurlijk die het zegt.... Zou dat ook hearsay zijn en niet gebaseerd op feiten? Ja? Dan zit ik hier vast op het goede adres
JORAN SPEELT MET DE ONDERZOEKERS
Volgens mij speelt Joran een spelletje met justitie. Nu weer met die schoenen. Volgens Joran is hij de bewuste nacht zijn schoenen kwijt geraakt. Gekleurde gymschoenen, liet hij weten. En heel Aruba weer druk in de weer om een ondergelopen stuk land leeg te pompen. Zonder resultaat. Natuurlijk zonder resultaat want Jossy Mansur van de Diario kwam met een foto van Joran in Carlos en Charlie op de bewuste avond en daarop is te zien dat hij een paar stevige bruine stappers droeg. Hij stuurt iedereen dus in het rond, komt gisteren met dit en vandaag met dat en het is allemaal flauwekul. Maar hij houdt daarmee een heel eiland in de greep en lacht zich suf daar in zijn cel want hij weet dat hij binnenkort toch vrij man is. Ik vraag me wel af of de familie v.d.Sloot nog op Aruba kan blijven wonen.Ik dacht het niet, maar het zou me ook niets verbazen als Pappa en Zoon maling hebben aan iedereen en Joran de volgende maand weer in Carlos en Charlie aan het swingen is en Pappa met wachtgeld van de Nederlandse Staat op zijn platte kont in de zon op het Arubaanse strand ligt.
Ik geloof dus absoluut niet meer dat er duidelijkheid komt in deze zaak. Al blijven CNN en FOX ook nog zo hard doorhameren elke avond. Want mocht Joran het hebben gedaan dan heeft hij de perfecte moord gepleegd. Ondertussen is Aruba in de ban van de komende verkiezingen gekomen en dan is Natalie nog minder dan een bijzaak.
http://www.renevannie.com/inhoud/kritisch/_kritisch2005.html
Het is wel DE Jossy Mansur natuurlijk die het zegt.... Zou dat ook hearsay zijn en niet gebaseerd op feiten? Ja? Dan zit ik hier vast op het goede adres
Ik ben niet labiel. Ik ben emotioneel flexibel.
Pss.. we zoeken naar een meisje dat het ook overkomen is..geen natalee en geen joran en bang...Madwhat-ever is hier..LOL ON the island..ja, en nu?quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 09:05 schreef Caesu het volgende:
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that was uncalled for.
i want to hear MadMaster's take on things too.
after all he is afaik the only one here who is actually ON the island.
Volgens mij zijn er foto's van joran die avond in de C n C dus dat lijkt me vrij simpel na tegaanquote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 09:20 schreef BwennieBren het volgende:
Ook leuk
JORAN SPEELT MET DE ONDERZOEKERS
http://www.renevannie.com/inhoud/kritisch/_kritisch2005.html
Het is wel DE Jossy Mansur natuurlijk die het zegt.... Zou dat ook hearsay zijn en niet gebaseerd op feiten? Ja? Dan zit ik hier vast op het goede adres
Welcome Mr. President, How can we serve you,
ik ben al aan het sjoekenquote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 09:33 schreef WallOfStars het volgende:
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Volgens mij zijn er foto's van joran die avond in de C n C dus dat lijkt me vrij simpel na tegaan
Ik ben niet labiel. Ik ben emotioneel flexibel.
heren.....quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 09:35 schreef letsgetthiscasesolved het volgende:
Heren rustig...laten we dit ook op fok.nl netjes oplossen
daar ga je bij mij al de fout in
Ik ben niet labiel. Ik ben emotioneel flexibel.
ik wil zijn mening over verschillende zaken horen hier.quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 09:23 schreef letsgetthiscasesolved het volgende:
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Pss.. we zoeken naar een meisje dat het ook overkomen is..geen natalee en geen joran en bang...Madwhat-ever is hier..LOL ON the island..ja, en nu?
dus jaag hem niet weg.
Dostojewski: "Je kunt je niet van je eigen gezond verstand overtuigen door je buurman op te sluiten."
http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/article9234541.ecequote:Fraudeofficier verdacht van illegale bouw huis
door de redactie
di 30 mrt 2004, 10:30
Fraudeofficier verdacht van illegale bouw huis
AMSTERDAM - De Roermondse officier van justitie Karin Janssen is in opspraak geraakt vanwege het illegaal bouwen van een woning. De Limburgse aanklager heeft in het agrarische buitengebied Sint Odiliënberg
De illegale bouw ligt gevoelig omdat Janssen in Limburg tot voor kort was belast met alle grote fraudezaken. Begin dit jaar is zij voor drie jaar is benoemd tot hoofdofficier van justitie op Aruba. De gemeente Ambt Montfort, waartoe Sint Odiliënberg behoort, is inmiddels gestart met een onderzoek naar de illegale bouwpraktijken. De fraudeofficier die over drie jaar weer terugkeert naar het arrondissementsparket Roermond, blijkt tegen alle regels van het bestemmingsplan in, te hebben gehandeld. De schuur werd tot voor kort gebruikt als paardenstal.
http://www.telegraaf.nl/b(...)d_.html?pageOffset=4quote:De Vries meldde ook dat de Arubaanse advocaat van Joran, A. Carlo, op zijn eigen initiatief een vertrouwelijk gesprek met hoofdofficier van justitie Karin Janssen heeft gevoerd. De raadsman deed dat, omdat hij zijn geweten wilde ontlasten. Carlo vertelde Janssen in het geheime onderhoud dat Joran een voorname rol bij de verdwijning van Natalee heeft gehad. Het was aan justitie om bewijs hierover te vergaren.
Janssen bevestigt het geheime gesprek, maar ging niet op de inhoud in. Ook Carlo wilde in de uitzending niet zeggen waarover hij met de hoofdaanklager op Aruba heeft gesproken.
those articles don't proof anything but it shows to me that dutch officials who are fraudulent or incompetent get often sent to Aruba.
like dutch scum builds up over there (afvoerputje).
i don't know enough about the entire case.
but from what i've seen of it am getting the feeling that it stinks quite a lot.
add to that the whole Joran / Paul van der Sloot disaster we have seen unfolding in the last four weeks.
and al those lawyers on three continents trying to spin the whole thing.
i am inclined to start thinking about corruption and cover-up.
like Joran, the stoned punk with a poker addiction is just a supporting card in a house of cards.
i don't think that's too far fetched at all.
but feel free have blind believe in justice on Aruba if that makes you feel better.
Dostojewski: "Je kunt je niet van je eigen gezond verstand overtuigen door je buurman op te sluiten."
Pic's van die avond
http://www.riehlworldview(...)zed/joran_at_cnc.jpg
weet niet of dit de zelfde avond is, wel het zelfde shirt, mocht het die avond zijn......
kijkt naar zijn schoenen http://farm1.static.flickr.com/21/27786717_6a6d14bce4.jpg?v=0
http://www.riehlworldview(...)zed/joran_at_cnc.jpg
weet niet of dit de zelfde avond is, wel het zelfde shirt, mocht het die avond zijn......
kijkt naar zijn schoenen http://farm1.static.flickr.com/21/27786717_6a6d14bce4.jpg?v=0
Welcome Mr. President, How can we serve you,
Still don't know what role he plays if any. Personally my opinion is he is Daury and was the one Joran described in the secret video. He said to Patrick "I prefer not to tell names,Because he has always had my back""Look,this friend is quite clever and he's a bit older,We have been friends since **kids**"quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 08:41 schreef letsgetthiscasesolved het volgende:
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if I compare it with another case in NL you need those (formal) girls..otherwise there is a story but no girl, to say it at least a bit rough...lets go back to the pimps etc. Just curious:What about Lor. v. Rijn....
"I've never told anyone about this man.Its not easy""I'll never tell his name,I will take it to my grave"
"I'd give my life to help him" "I have stuff on him too" Of course he was also talking about his father when he mentioned he had to go to school and do normal things.MO..It is also possible he was talking about Koen G.
Many people in Aruba talk about him when they mention this case and one of the first names talked about. We were told from Jossy Mansur that it is more than rumor he is the half brother of Joran,they were very close and seen together quite often. Joran caught the bus near LVR"S house the day after NH went missing or the day after that. Many Arubans spoke about him in the beginning and said he was involved before the mis-information campaign started. Much rumor/speculation and mystery about this character but much of what was said about him turned out to be true from june 2005,the rest is still to be determined. His father was found hung in 2001 who owned a VW dealership and export business in Aruba. Lorenzo inherited money and is known to be crazy,borders on edge of insanity and likes to party,has a disco at his house and throws many after hour rave party's. It was rumored Natalee's clothes were found in his basement. It was reported his boat was searched and his mothers house but no forensics were done nor did they search his house at Jaraweg. He lives by himself in a big house,surrounded by barbwire,camera's and guard dogs. In 2005 a PI went to talk to him and he had armed Colombian guards guarding his property. He was questioned at least twice in this case but it was reported that the night Natalee went missing he was having a small party and one of the people provided a alibi for him. Many think he is the 5th suspect talked about in the riddles of Shango.
He was arrested in june 2007 with over 100 pot plants but he never went to trial or was convicted. We found out he met privately with a Dutch Judge and never will go to trial,and that Paul VR was not his natural father(same source). A Aruban reporter who often gives bad info said the OM made mistakes and because of that he would never go to trial.
Early post on Lorenzo mostly from Arubans(Also Pics)
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1291.0
clubarias.com (Was his mothers house that was searched in this case)
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
my solution to this whole trainwreck is to have the Dutch OM issue a warrant to search the Aruban OM.
i think there might be some leads over there.
but i don't know if this is legally even possible... probably not.
i think there might be some leads over there.
but i don't know if this is legally even possible... probably not.
Dostojewski: "Je kunt je niet van je eigen gezond verstand overtuigen door je buurman op te sluiten."
upper right corner,
with high confidance natalee on the bar
http://www.riehlworldview(...)possibly_lee_b_1.jpg
Outfit color and print match
with high confidance natalee on the bar
http://www.riehlworldview(...)possibly_lee_b_1.jpg
Outfit color and print match
Welcome Mr. President, How can we serve you,
Nou kan ze niet vinden hoor, wel van Natalee maar niet van Joranquote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 09:33 schreef WallOfStars het volgende:
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Volgens mij zijn er foto's van joran die avond in de C n C dus dat lijkt me vrij simpel na tegaan
Ik ben niet labiel. Ik ben emotioneel flexibel.
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/21/27786717_6a6d14bce4.jpg?v=0quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 09:49 schreef BwennieBren het volgende:
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Nou kan ze niet vinden hoor, wel van Natalee maar niet van Joran
heeft iemand hier een datum van??
Welcome Mr. President, How can we serve you,
quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 09:44 schreef WallOfStars het volgende:
Pic's van die avond
http://www.riehlworldview(...)zed/joran_at_cnc.jpg
weet niet of dit de zelfde avond is, wel het zelfde shirt, mocht het die avond zijn......
kijkt naar zijn schoenen http://farm1.static.flickr.com/21/27786717_6a6d14bce4.jpg?v=0
je bent goehoed!Ik weet niet of de laatste die avond was, ik heb hem wel eerder gezien die foto, inderdaad op zijn flickr site
Ik ben niet labiel. Ik ben emotioneel flexibel.
foto's van flickr al in HEX bekeken maar er zit geen data in : iemand
help i need a date for this picture : http://farm1.static.flickr.com/21/27786717_6a6d14bce4.jpg?v=0
help i need a date for this picture : http://farm1.static.flickr.com/21/27786717_6a6d14bce4.jpg?v=0
Welcome Mr. President, How can we serve you,
Your lost and apparently don't read well or understand what I posted in this forumquote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 09:10 schreef WallOfStars het volgende:
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Observer777
I'll believe the report, when she goes public. Not if it's just some girl somewhere....not verifiable for anyone.
Not everthing the media reports is untrue...but the motive why the report it ...isnt the search for the truth, but the amount of viewers (in most cases)
think about what natalee's mom claimed on the Dr. Phil show...and kept saying for some time, it is proven the tape was altered to fit Dr. Phils case.
give me facts, not hear say.
Thats a total lie about the Dr.Phil tapes..Now your making stuff up. It was edited for TV and nothing was changed so he says,certainly was not proven he did anything to change deepak's words...That is all still to be decided by the courts,but now you are saying it is proven..You have proof? I will provide you what the research and the truth says and that is all. I could care less what your opinion is and I certainly don't have to prove anything to you. I came here to share knowledge and to let the dutch people know what really happened in Aruba. All in hopes of solving the case and combining research,I certainly will not argue with you anymore. I see you are researching things they we analyzed well over two years ago! Maybe in two years from now you will understand what I was trying to tell you?
[ Bericht 4% gewijzigd door observer777 op 13-02-2008 10:15:14 ]
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
BY observer777
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Your lost and apparently don't read well or understand what I posted in this forum
Thats a total lie about the Dr.Phil tapes..Now your making stuff up. It was edited for TV and nothing was changed so he says,certainly was not proven he did anything to change deepak's words...That is all still to be decided by the courts,but now you are saying it is proven..You have proof? I will provide you what the research and the truth says and that is all. I could care less what your opinion is and I certainly don't have to prove anything to you. I came here to share knowledge and to let the dutch people know what really happened in Aruba. All in hopes of solving the case and ,I certainly will not argue with you anymore. I see you are researching things they we analyzed well over two years ago! Maybe in two years from now you will understand what I was trying to tell you?
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by me :
that's an easy court case then.
Not sure if these are real. but the sound the same even with the same background noises
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELxTwuoveLA dr. Phil
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXD3hJu2-kY&feature=related actual tape
[ Bericht 27% gewijzigd door WallOfStars op 13-02-2008 10:11:48 ]
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Your lost and apparently don't read well or understand what I posted in this forum
Thats a total lie about the Dr.Phil tapes..Now your making stuff up. It was edited for TV and nothing was changed so he says,certainly was not proven he did anything to change deepak's words...That is all still to be decided by the courts,but now you are saying it is proven..You have proof? I will provide you what the research and the truth says and that is all. I could care less what your opinion is and I certainly don't have to prove anything to you. I came here to share knowledge and to let the dutch people know what really happened in Aruba. All in hopes of solving the case and ,I certainly will not argue with you anymore. I see you are researching things they we analyzed well over two years ago! Maybe in two years from now you will understand what I was trying to tell you?
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by me :
that's an easy court case then.
Not sure if these are real. but the sound the same even with the same background noises
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELxTwuoveLA dr. Phil
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXD3hJu2-kY&feature=related actual tape
[ Bericht 27% gewijzigd door WallOfStars op 13-02-2008 10:11:48 ]
Welcome Mr. President, How can we serve you,
The pic fits his statement for May 30.quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 09:55 schreef WallOfStars het volgende:
foto's van flickr al in HEX bekeken maar er zit geen data in : iemand
help i need a date for this picture : http://farm1.static.flickr.com/21/27786717_6a6d14bce4.jpg?v=0
Joran's statement, 9/6/2005 http://www.hollowaycase.com/archive/police_documents/joran69.htmquote:To your question as to what clothes I was wearing when I was picked up by Deepak and Satish, I can answer the following. I wore a white/blue shirt, a blue/white jeans trouser or a three-quart black trouser and a couple of white shoes or crème coloured boots.
Where facts are few, experts are many.
Sorry but Joran is is source i dont trust AT ALLquote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 10:04 schreef Atreidez het volgende:
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The pic fits his statement for May 30.
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Joran's statement, 9/6/2005 http://www.hollowaycase.com/archive/police_documents/joran69.htm
Welcome Mr. President, How can we serve you,
Dutch experts say Dr. Phil tape in case of teen missing in Aruba ‘manipulated"
ORANJESTAD, Aruba (AP) - Forensic investigators in Holland have found someone altered a taped interview in which a Surinamese man allegedly claimed to have had sex with a U.S. teen who disappeared while visiting Aruba, the island's police chief said Wednesday.
The tape was an interview with Deepak Kalpoe by an investigator hired by the U.S. television program, the Dr. Phil show. In it, Deepak allegedly claimed to have had sex with Natalee Holloway, an Alabama student, before she disappeared in May.
"The tapes played on U.S. television appear to have been altered to suggest Deepak admitted to a sexual act, our forensic investigators tell us, the original tape did not say that," Gerald Dompig, chief of police for the Dutch Caribbean island, said in a statement.
On the tape, Deepak allegedly said Holloway "dressed like a ***," and he, his brother, Satish, and Dutch national Joran van der Sloot had sex with Holloway, who would have turned 19 in October.
"I have reviewed the findings of the Forensic Institute in Holland...those results state that the tapes were not authentic in regard to statement made by Deepak Kalpoe," Dompig said.
http://newsgroups.derkeil(...)005-11/msg02434.html
ORANJESTAD, Aruba (AP) - Forensic investigators in Holland have found someone altered a taped interview in which a Surinamese man allegedly claimed to have had sex with a U.S. teen who disappeared while visiting Aruba, the island's police chief said Wednesday.
The tape was an interview with Deepak Kalpoe by an investigator hired by the U.S. television program, the Dr. Phil show. In it, Deepak allegedly claimed to have had sex with Natalee Holloway, an Alabama student, before she disappeared in May.
"The tapes played on U.S. television appear to have been altered to suggest Deepak admitted to a sexual act, our forensic investigators tell us, the original tape did not say that," Gerald Dompig, chief of police for the Dutch Caribbean island, said in a statement.
On the tape, Deepak allegedly said Holloway "dressed like a ***," and he, his brother, Satish, and Dutch national Joran van der Sloot had sex with Holloway, who would have turned 19 in October.
"I have reviewed the findings of the Forensic Institute in Holland...those results state that the tapes were not authentic in regard to statement made by Deepak Kalpoe," Dompig said.
http://newsgroups.derkeil(...)005-11/msg02434.html
Ik ben niet labiel. Ik ben emotioneel flexibel.
pwnedquote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 10:03 schreef WallOfStars het volgende:
BY observer777
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Your lost and apparently don't read well or understand what I posted in this forum
Thats a total lie about the Dr.Phil tapes..Now your making stuff up. It was edited for TV and nothing was changed so he says,certainly was not proven he did anything to change deepak's words...That is all still to be decided by the courts,but now you are saying it is proven..You have proof? I will provide you what the research and the truth says and that is all. I could care less what your opinion is and I certainly don't have to prove anything to you. I came here to share knowledge and to let the dutch people know what really happened in Aruba. All in hopes of solving the case and ,I certainly will not argue with you anymore. I see you are researching things they we analyzed well over two years ago! Maybe in two years from now you will understand what I was trying to tell you?
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by me :
that's an easy court case then.
Not sure if these are real. but the sound the same even with the same background noises
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELxTwuoveLA dr. Phil
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXD3hJu2-kY&feature=related actual tape
Ik ben niet labiel. Ik ben emotioneel flexibel.
Observer777
I'm not arguing with you, we have the same goal, but i see a lot of media reports from you, wich COULD be true YOU and I cant verify that. Or else please provide me with the data as stated before
I'm not claiming the truth.... sometimes i have the feeling you are, without facts.
i'm trying to give facts, but i'll be the first to let you know when i'm not 100% sure
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I'm not arguing with you, we have the same goal, but i see a lot of media reports from you, wich COULD be true YOU and I cant verify that. Or else please provide me with the data as stated before
I'm not claiming the truth.... sometimes i have the feeling you are, without facts.
i'm trying to give facts, but i'll be the first to let you know when i'm not 100% sure
[ Bericht 4% gewijzigd door WallOfStars op 13-02-2008 10:18:19 (spelling errors) ]
Welcome Mr. President, How can we serve you,
There are pics of Joran in the Casino wearing white shoes, so maybe he changed them when they took a short stop at his house?quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 10:04 schreef Atreidez het volgende:
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The pic fits his statement for May 30.
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Joran's statement, 9/6/2005 http://www.hollowaycase.com/archive/police_documents/joran69.htm
btw ff off-topic jij zat vroeger toch ook veel in FMT?
Ik ben niet labiel. Ik ben emotioneel flexibel.
off topic denk het niet want ik weet niet wat je met fmt bedoelt?
Welcome Mr. President, How can we serve you,
I see this forum has been taken over by BwennieBren and Wallofstars who continue to post mis-information, attack the truth,wreak havoc and derail every topic.. It was obvious they have another agenda,especially BwennieBren and I have better things to do with my time then argue with two that have no intention of letting the truth be known on this forum. Like I was telling you all earlier there are paid ATA members,friends of the perps and just weird internet people that have done this since the beginning and it is no suprise it happened here. I knew it would happen and not much I could do about it. If someone is genuine here and wants to know the truth I will help them with what I know,it takes alot more than this to stop me from educating people what really happened in Aruba and what they did to Natalee and her Family.. I will not respond to another post of theres.
[ Bericht 9% gewijzigd door observer777 op 13-02-2008 10:51:49 ]
[ Bericht 9% gewijzigd door observer777 op 13-02-2008 10:51:49 ]
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
dear Observer777,quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 10:36 schreef observer777 het volgende:
I see this forum has been taken over by BwennieBren and Wallofstars who continue to post mis-information, attack the truth and wreak havoc.. It was obvious they have another agenda,especially BwennieBren and I have better things to do with my time then argue with two that have no intention of letting the truth be known on this forum. Like I was telling you all earlier there are paid ATA members,friends of the perps and just weird internet people that have done this since the beginning and it is no suprise it happened here. I knew it would happen and not much I could do about it. If someone is genuine here and wants to know the truth I will help them. I will not respond to another post of theirs.
then please give me all the factual information you have collected over the last couple of years. I can understand that it frustrating to have to defend what you believe is the truth. And i'll join your point of view if you give me facts, that are verifiable for you and me.
sources like FOX news or CNN are not verifiable for me, i dont have acces to that information.
if you have please share it with me, PM or i'll give you a mail adres.
But please dont accuse me of spreading Dis-info, everything i've posted in this topic is verifable for EVERYONE in this topic. I never assaulted you or told you lied. Just that you at some point dont convince me
with the sources you state. I'm not attacking the truth, the truth cannot be attach as it is fact.
but you have to provide that fact before you can claime it as the truth.
Welcome Mr. President, How can we serve you,
ik bedoelde ook Atreidezquote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 10:26 schreef WallOfStars het volgende:
off topic denk het niet want ik weet niet wat je met fmt bedoelt?
en FMT =Fok Movie Trivia waar ik een paar jaar geleden verslaafd aan was.;)Ik denk dat je beter niets meer kan zeggen die die overspannen, overemotionele monkey want die is echt niet goed bij haar/zijn hoofd. Die denkt dat hij/zij hier modereert
Zonde van je energie.[ Bericht 0% gewijzigd door BwennieBren op 13-02-2008 11:07:46 ]
Ik ben niet labiel. Ik ben emotioneel flexibel.
i very much doubt that they have an agenda.
i think it is pretty healthy to always stay sceptical especially in a case so messed up like this one.
so dutchies want to try to verify as much as possible for themselves too.
but peter r. is on the case. i am sure he is not going let is legacy be tainted by this joran van der sloot-scandal.
i am sure he has a lot more leads.
i can't wait to listen to him and beth on scaredmonkeysradio tomorrow.
i think it is pretty healthy to always stay sceptical especially in a case so messed up like this one.
so dutchies want to try to verify as much as possible for themselves too.
but peter r. is on the case. i am sure he is not going let is legacy be tainted by this joran van der sloot-scandal.
i am sure he has a lot more leads.
i can't wait to listen to him and beth on scaredmonkeysradio tomorrow.
Dostojewski: "Je kunt je niet van je eigen gezond verstand overtuigen door je buurman op te sluiten."
Thank you very much for this clarification.quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 10:51 schreef Caesu het volgende:
i very much doubt that they have an agenda.
i think it is pretty healthy to always stay sceptical especially in a case so messed up like this one.
so dutchies want to try to verify as much as possible for themselves too.
but peter r. is on the case. i am sure he is not going let is legacy be tainted by this joran van der sloot-scandal.
i am sure he has a lot more leads.
i can't wait to listen to him and beth scaredmonkeysradio tomorrow.
I think Observer doesn't realize that maybe also the crew of Peter R. de Vries is lurking here as well, even posting here for usuable information. And by his/her stupid remarks like "friends of the perps", "tell your friends they're going down"
he/she loses all credibility.... but hey... there is so many information about this case on the net, different opinions to verify what is true or not.
Ik ben niet labiel. Ik ben emotioneel flexibel.
i do understand his frustration.quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 11:02 schreef BwennieBren het volgende:
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Thank you very much for this clarification.
I think Observer doesn't realize that maybe also the crew of Peter R. de Vries is lurking here as well, even posting here for usuable information. And by his/her stupid remarks like "friends of the perps", "tell your friends they're going down"
i mean they have been working nearly 3 years almost 24/7 on it.
just unbelievable that those people were translating dutch / papiamento media al those years.
i am sure they know much more about aruba than the average dutchie.
really an extraodinary effort.
but dutchies just can't pick up all information in just one or two weeks.
i am not even going to try anymore.
i have established for myself it is one big mess.
i am only trying to figure out how this is going get spinned by the Aruban / Dutch officials.
very interesting how this is going to work out with so much attention both sides of the Atlantic.
Dostojewski: "Je kunt je niet van je eigen gezond verstand overtuigen door je buurman op te sluiten."
I told that several times to Observer that I understand the frustration, but it seems that my written English is not clear enough or her/his eyes need glasses or he/she just don't want to understand. Reading is difficult for some peoplequote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 11:11 schreef Caesu het volgende:
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i do understand his frustration.
i mean they have been working nearly 3 years almost 24/7 on it.
just unbelievable that those people were translating dutch / papiamento media al those years.
i am sure they know much more about aruba than the average dutchie.
really an extraodinary effort.
but dutchies just can't pick up all information in just one or two weeks.
i am not even going to try anymore.
i have established for myself it is one big mess.
i am only trying to figure out how this is going get spinned by the Aruban / Dutch officials.
very interesting how this is going to work out with so much attention both sides of the Atlantic.
And it's exactly what you say, the dutchies can't pickup this information that fast, with links and transcripts and vague stories about pics and so few actual FACTS. For example Observer say he/she knows for a FACT that the tapes of Skeeter (may he rest in peace) are not altered. Then WallofStars proves differently and BAM she/he is not responding the his posts anymore, talking about credibility..... snapje wat ik bedoel?
Ik ben niet labiel. Ik ben emotioneel flexibel.
Absolutely, there effort in this case is amezing, and I absoluutly understand observer777's frustration with my questions and staments, However i hope he will be back and will still talk to me. else mabye tommorow with PrdV on SM, he will be able to share the info with him. But im pretty sure he would like to have facts, and would dismiss media reports. Because he (PrdV) knows very well the worth of the reports without having the facts to back it up. And he will probably not use other media sources in his contining quest for the truth about natalee. (So far he didnt use them, to my knowledge)quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 11:11 schreef Caesu het volgende:
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i do understand his frustration.
i mean they have been working nearly 3 years almost 24/7 on it.
just unbelievable that those people were translating dutch / papiamento media al those years.
i am sure they know much more about aruba than the average dutchie.
really an extraodinary effort.
[ Bericht 0% gewijzigd door WallOfStars op 13-02-2008 12:01:30 ]
Welcome Mr. President, How can we serve you,
Observer777 NEVER CLAIMED the he knows for a FACT that the were not altered, he claimed it wasnt proven in a court case, and that is absolulty true, it not proven in court.quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 11:19 schreef BwennieBren het volgende:
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For example Observer say he/she knows for a FACT that the tapes of Skeeter (may he rest in peace) are not altered. Then WallofStars proves differently
but when you have them both side by side. You decide. And i think, as a lot of people, Also in the US that there think were altered.
and i have the feeling the court case wil do the same
Welcome Mr. President, How can we serve you,
quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 11:34 schreef WallOfStars het volgende:
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Observer777 NEVER CLAIMED the he knows for a FACT that the were not altered, he claimed it wasnt proven in a court case, and that is absolulty true, it not proven in court.
but when you have them both side by side. You decide. And i think, as a lot of people, Also in the US that there think were altered.
and i have the feeling the court case wil do the same
Oh well... sounds factual to mequote:Thats a total lie about the Dr.Phil tapes..Now your making stuff up. It was edited for TV and nothing was changed so he says,certainly was not proven he did anything to change deepak's words...
Ik ben niet labiel. Ik ben emotioneel flexibel.
But hey, we are blabbing here about a discussion which is no discussion at all...
Let see the facts
Let see the facts
Ik ben niet labiel. Ik ben emotioneel flexibel.
Ow en nog ff voor de duidelijkheidquote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 09:14 schreef deedeetee het volgende:
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Mij ook best hoor, veel plezier nog verder
: ik heb niks tegen MADMaster hoor. Die zit idd dáár en wij niet. Ik bedoelde dat ik die Observer van het begin af aan al een zeer merkwaardig figuur vond. Heleboel geschreeuw en niks geen wol
Ik vond de discussie zonder hem en zijn apen - die ons wel worden belooft worden, maar nog steeds niet uit de mouw komen - een stuk interessanter.
zo en nu ga ik ff kijken hoe het nou zat met dat pelicaan bot, vanochtend geen tijd voor ik moest werken
Ga fietsen jij !! ikke niet hoor..
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