Chemtrails feit of fictie? deel 3

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Formed at 12,000 and the weather caught us. Couldn't climb fast enough to keep out of it. So we took off on our own to avoid any planes in the clouds. Six of our wing men went home when they became separated from us. We left England on our own and headed across France for Strassbourg. The contrails were dense, persistent - really hard to even see our own squadron. Our Air Leader really got worried about us being by ourselves. Jack and I had to argue like the devil before he saw the light on the bomb run. He wanted to bomb in group formation with just anyone. We wanted to take our 7 plane squadron in by ourselves. On account of Whitt is really an expert on PFF (couldn't bomb Micro-H - too far from the beacons). Then - on the bomb run the bombsight froze up, due to lack of precautions by our visiting bombardier, and Whitt dropped the bombs, aimed PFF at the center of Mannheim.

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Yes, we certainly did. Contrails were so thick that they became clouds. We often said that we created weather over Europe. They would persist for many hours, maybe days. We flew a different route coming back than going in partly to avoid the contrail clouds that we created. There are some pictures of contrails on my web site - none of these are shown to be very heavy but there were time when we were near the end of the bomber stream and the contrails were so dense that it was no dfferent than flying in clouds. A thousand or more
planes (4000 internal combustion engines) can make a lot of contrail at 25000 feet or more.

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As you've assumed, the bomber crews as well as our fighter escort saw contrails about every day even though an effort was made to avoid them. As was often said, they represented large fingers pointing to the bombers. Obviously of assistance to the enemy fighters who could spot us at a considerable distance.

The nature of the contrails was such that they required certain atmospheric conditions to form. thus, they were principally affected by altitude. At the pre-mission briefings, they typically advised us of the altitude that the formation of contrails could be expected with an effort made to avoid that particular altitude. More often than not though, we did in fact make contrails indicating that their information was faulty or that flying at that altitude couldn't be avoided. We in B-24s typically bombed from about 22,000 feet while the B-17s, which could fly higher, bombed from around 27,000, particularly at tough targets where higher was better in an effort to avoid the flak as much as possible.

My recollection is that the contrails persisted for some time. While I don't recall timing them, I would guess that they could be seen for fifteen minutes or more. At times, Germany appeared to be almost covered by contrails as far as you could see. Essentially creating a cloud layer which could possibly persist for hours I suppose. The bombers' in more or less straight lines, the fighters', usually above us, more random as they criss crossed or circled. A common sight was the escorts dropping their tanks and heading off after the bad guys.

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Op donderdag 18 mei 2006 21:36 schreef Circle het volgende:
Wombcat,

Volgens mij startte je dit topic met de vraag of contrails == chemtrails ? Contrails zijn tegenwoordig goed begrepen: waterdamp uit verbrandingsmotoren van vliegtuigen, door grote hoogte/lage druk/lage temperatuur supergekoeld zodat waterdamp direct ijs vormt. Vanaf het moment dat ze gevormd zijn, worden de ijsdeeltjes alle kanten op bewogen, zodat de strakke trails langzaamaan oplossen. Onder invloed van de zwaartekracht zullen de ijskristallen dalen en opwarmen, zodat ze weer van ijsvorming naar gasvormig overgaan. Contrails verdwijnen dus zonder andere sporen dan wat water achter te laten.

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Op donderdag 18 mei 2006 21:46 schreef Circle het volgende:


Wat is je punt dan? Er moet toch een reden zijn waarom deze discussie voort blijft duren.