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  Moderator zondag 14 mei 2023 @ 17:54:00 #201
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0s.gif Op zondag 14 mei 2023 16:21 schreef Jan_Onderwater het volgende:

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NL ook btw
Alleen tot op zekere hoogte, wij hebben geen Tory partij met een absolute meerderheid aan de macht.
"The enemy isn't men, or women, it's bloody stupid people and no one has the right to be stupid." - Sir Terry Pratchett.
  zondag 14 mei 2023 @ 18:01:57 #202
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Alleen tot op zekere hoogte, wij hebben geen Tory partij met een absolute meerderheid aan de macht.
Nee, maar zijn wel een paradijs voor belastingontwijking, de hele Zuidas draait op financiële dienstverlening. Was trouwens niets anders toen Labour aan de macht was. Al die economische en belastingtechnische zaken die Conservatieven onder Thatcher en Mayor invoerden zijn onder Blair ook niet teruggedraaid. Waarom niet? Omdat ze goed werken.
UK heeft 1 grote fout gemaakt, dat is uit de EU te stappen.
  maandag 15 mei 2023 @ 01:23:43 #203
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De (financieele) diensten sector is nu eenmaal geen fraaie, het VK wordt nogal geregeld beschouwd als een land waar je geld verdient met malafide praktijken prima kan onderbrengen.
Teveel toezicht en regulering op deze sectoren werd afschrikkend op dergelijke...eh..."investeerders" dus vandaar deze koers.

Voeg daarbij dat veel geld ook veel invloed koopt (zie de nauwe banden tussen Russische & Arabische oligarchen en de Conservatieven) en het plaatje is rond.
De ironie van dat plaatje is dat er maar een manier is om een dergelijke economie toch van producten en arbeidskrachten te voorzien en dat is import...en laat de EU daar nu een perfect vehikel voor geweest zijn. Maar dat is niet meer dus nu importeert men mensen van veel verder weg.
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For many, the situation is reminiscent of the 1970s, when high debt, punishing inflation and widespread protests brought the country to its knees – leading Henry Kissinger, who was U.S. secretary of state at the time, to grumble from across the Atlantic: "Britain is a tragedy, reduced to begging, borrowing and stealing."
https://www.spiegel.de/in(...)f3-bd27-743364dd675c
  maandag 15 mei 2023 @ 14:52:34 #204
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0s.gif Op zondag 14 mei 2023 13:46 schreef Tijger_m het volgende:

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De (financieele) diensten sector is nu eenmaal geen fraaie, het VK wordt nogal geregeld beschouwd als een land waar je geld verdient met malafide praktijken prima kan onderbrengen.
Teveel toezicht en regulering op deze sectoren werd afschrikkend op dergelijke...eh..."investeerders" dus vandaar deze koers.

Voeg daarbij dat veel geld ook veel invloed koopt (zie de nauwe banden tussen Russische & Arabische oligarchen en de Conservatieven) en het plaatje is rond.
De ironie van dat plaatje is dat er maar een manier is om een dergelijke economie toch van producten en arbeidskrachten te voorzien en dat is import...en laat de EU daar nu een perfect vehikel voor geweest zijn. Maar dat is niet meer dus nu importeert men mensen van veel verder weg.
Maar als land zou je idealiter de financiële sector in de context van het geheel moeten plaatsen. Een financiële sector kan ook te groot worden namelijk en dan is de bijdrage van zo'n sector aan het land een negatieve. Daar is onderzoek naar gedaan en je mag toch hopen dat de verstandige bestuurder daar wat mee doet. In Nederland is de financiële sector al te groot en dat zal in het VK denk ik niet anders zijn.
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Grote financiële sector in Nederland schaadt economie
De Nederlandse financiële sector is zo groot dat het de economie schaadt. Als financiële sectoren boven een bepaalde grens zijn gegroeid, slaat hun positieve invloed op de economische groei om in een negatieve, blijkt uit onderzoek van econoom Dirk Bezemer van de Rijksuniversiteit Groningen. Eerdere studies van onder meer het IMF en de Bank voor Internationale Betalingen (BIS) komen tot gelijksoortige conclusies.

Jonathan Witteman 10 juni 2015, 02:00
Het betreft hier de inleiding van een artikel uit de Volkskrant. In verband met eventueel een betaalmuur heb ik ook nog een artikel over dit onderwerp van de onderzoeker zelf.
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Geld als water
Dirk Bezemer

15 april 2015

ABN Amro-bestuursleden, met een vast salaris van 608.000 euro per jaar, hadden zichzelf vorige maand een ton opslag toebedacht.

Ze slikten die zeventien procent salarisverhoging pas in na protesten van de samenleving, politiek en eigen medewerkers. De bestuurders steken nog zuinig af bij de topmannen van ING en Nationale Nederlanden, die 28 en 39 procent opslag ontvingen.

Waarom verdienen bankiers zoveel meer dan andere mensen? Zelf wijzen ze er graag op dat zonder krediet de economie op z’n gat ligt – iets wat we de afgelopen jaren aan den lijve hebben ondervonden. Klopt dus. Welnu, vervolgt de bankier, de maatschappij heeft zo ongelooflijk veel baat bij goed draaiende banken, dat ze er dus ook een forse vergoeding voor over heeft.

Hier zit de denkfout. Omdat haperende banken zoveel schade aanrichten, moeten goed draaiende banken dus wel bijzonder waardevol zijn voor de economie. Dat lijkt logisch, maar is het niet. Ter vergelijking: omdat droogte zo schadelijk is, moet een overstroming wel bijzonder heilzaam zijn. Geld als water? Inderdaad, je kunt er ook te veel van hebben.

Dat is precies wat de wetenschap de laatste jaren vindt. Stel je een grafiek voor met economische groei op de verticale as en de omvang van de financiële sector, gemeten door de hoeveelheid uitstaande leningen, op de horizontale. Het lijntje geeft aan of een grotere financiële sector goed is voor economische groei (stijgende lijn) of slecht (dalend). Economen hebben de data van tientallen economieën over de laatste halve eeuw erbij gezocht en de stipjes verbonden. Wat blijkt? De curve heeft de vorm van een hobbel (download Too Much Finance ‘pdf’ van het IMF). Links, op het opgaande stuk, zitten landen met weinig bank. Zij hebben baat bij meer bank: hun economie gaat er harder van groeien. Rechts, voorbij de top, liggen landen die langzamer gaan groeien naarmate ze een grotere financiële sector hebben. De top zelf ligt ongeveer op de plek waar de totale hoeveelheid uitstaand krediet (van banken en andere financiële instellingen) even groot is als het bruto binnenlands product (bbp).

Schrik niet: dat punt passeerde Nederland in 1978. De financiële sector is hier al een kwart eeuw groter dan gemiddeld gesproken gezond is. De hoeveelheid uitstaande leningen is nu bijna [tweeënhalf keer zo groot](1. http://www.bis.org/statistics/credtopriv.htm )als onze economie. De helft daarvan is bankkrediet. Om even bij de metafoor te blijven: de bankier die ons toeroept dat we zonder hem financieel uitdrogen, heeft niet door dat het water ons tot de lippen staat.

De vraag is niet hoeveel meer groei onze economie behaalt met behulp van banken. Groei van de financiële sector kostte ons economische groei (1). Op ons stukje van de curve geldt: meer bankleningen betekent minder groei van lonen, banen, investeringen – kortom alles wat we met economische groei meten.

De cijfers zijn van de gezaghebbende Bank for International Settlements, en onomstreden. Toch krijg ik in beleidsdiscussies regelmatig straf tegengas van bankiers. Ze willen er niet aan dat onze financiële sector ongezond groot is. De rotsvaste overtuiging dat florerende banken goed voor ons zijn, zit ook in de haarvaten van de politiek. In de wetenschap is het een gepasseerd station. Den Haag, het is tijd om wakker te worden.

Hoe werkt dat dan, meer bankkrediet dus minder groei? Het antwoord is niet ingewikkeld: krediet is ook schuld. De vraag is of krediet zó wordt gebruikt dat er inkomen gegenereerd wordt. Daaruit kan de schuld dan worden afbetaald. Bij leningen aan bedrijven is dit vaak het geval; bij hypotheken aan huishoudens niet. De schuld groeit er wel van, maar het toekomstig inkomen niet. In mijn onderzoek vind ik dat in de meeste westerse economieën de kredietverlening sterk verschoven is richting huishoudens.

Nederland loopt daarin voorop. Meer dan de helft van alle uitstaande leningen bestaat hier uit hypotheken aan huishoudens. Er is dus een duidelijke reden om je zorgen te maken over de rol van banken in Nederland. In één woord: schuld. En dan heb ik het niet over de overheidsschuld, waar ons kabinet zo druk mee is. Die is slechts zeventig procent van het bbp. Ik heb het over de schuld van de private sector, die 240 procent bedraagt. We staan daarin op eenzame hoogte (2) Maar hoe vaak hoort u Rutte of Dijsselbloem hierover?

Internationaal onderzoek laat verder zien dat economieën met veel private schuld langere recessies kennen, en lagere groei (3). We hebben sinds 2008 in reële termen procentueel meer bbp verloren dan de eurozone als geheel. Meer dan België of Frankrijk, zelfs meer dan IJsland of Ierland. Hoog tijd om nog eens goed na te denken over de zegeningen van een grote financiële sector – en van dikbetaalde bankbestuurders.

https://www.groene.nl/artikel/geld-als-water
De lobbykracht van de financiële sector is wel groot dus die kan politici met succes beïnvloeden. In Nederland is Medy van der Laan van D66 bijvoorbeeld zo'n lobbyist. Maar gelukkig zijn niet alle politieke partijen even gevoelig voor dat gelobby dus daar kan je rekening mee houden in het stemhokje. Labour lijkt mij algemeen meer gemotiveerd om de financiële sector weer terug te brengen naar een gezonde omvang dan de Tories.
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Tory MPs accuse Suella Braverman of making bid for party leadership

Party colleagues condemn home secretary’s ‘outrageous’ National Conservatism conference speech, and say it undermined Sunak

Despairing Conservative MPs have accused Suella Braverman of undermining Rishi Sunak’s authority and making a bid for the future leadership of the party with a partisan speech railing against experts and elites.

The home secretary delivered a highly personal blueprint for a political philosophy to take on the “radical left” in what was interpreted as a pitch to be the right’s next candidate, at a National Conservatism conference in London.

Senior Tory MPs privately condemned her making an overture to become the party’s leader should the Conservatives lose the next election. One said: “Rishi needs to make it clear to her that she is either a team player or a backbencher.”

In an attempt to reclaim the right wing of his party, Sunak will on Tuesday urge European leaders to crack down on immigration through tighter policing of its borders, after his surprise meeting with Ukraine’s president was overshadowed by Braverman’s rhetoric.

Tory MPs have grown increasingly uneasy after a damning set of local election results and with ministers braced for a record increase in immigration figures next week, which threatens to undermine their pledge to cut arrivals.

Sunak has also faced criticism from the pro-Brexit right of his party since it was announced that just 600 of the 4,000 EU laws he pledged to revoke by the end of the year would be scrapped.

Conservative MPs were invited for drinks with the prime minister to mark the coronation in the Downing Street garden on Monday night. Sunak was expected to try to calm nerves there and draw a line under any potential mutiny.

However, MPs suggested Sunak should warn Braverman to stick to her role as home secretary and get to grips with problems in the immigration system, rather than giving her permission to undermine his leadership.

One minister said: “She’s not waiting for the election, but is pitching for prime minister now. And she’s not the only one. Being in the cabinet is no longer a collective endeavour but a position to pitch for the next job. It would be better if she and others focused on the jobs they actually had. You would think being home secretary was some side hustle.”

Another MP described her speech as “outrageous”, saying: “It was rather rich that she was highlighting the problems with our immigration system when she’s been in charge of it for the past nine months. It was all about her ambitions, not about improving things.”

A third MP said the majority of Tory colleagues were “rolling their eyes” at Braverman’s “unhelpful” appearance at the conference when she should be concentrating on tackling migration.

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https://www.theguardian.c(...)ning-sunak-authority
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Nigel Farage geeft toe: Brexit has failed, maar het ligt/lag niet aan hem. Het zijn de anderen. Alle anderen eigenlijk.

James O'Brien op LBC:

"I have said from the start: contempt for the conmen. And there was no bigger conman than Nigel Farage. Compassion for the conned."

Ik doe het ff rustig aan.
  Moderator zaterdag 20 mei 2023 @ 14:51:37 #207
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Nigel Farage geeft toe: Brexit has failed, maar het ligt/lag niet aan hem. Het zijn de anderen. Alle anderen eigenlijk.

James O'Brien op LBC:

"I have said from the start: contempt for the conmen. And there was no bigger conman than Nigel Farage. Compassion for the conned."

Dat was al meteen duidelijk toen niemand van de aanvoerders van Brexit het aandurfde om duidelijk te maken wat Brexit nu eigenlijk inhield behalve de meest vage termen en slogans. Er werd door critici vanaf het begin al opgemerkt dat Brexit dusdanig ongrijpbaar was dat het nooit kon slagen of kon falen als idee, het kon alleen maar gefaald worden.

Deze zelfde aanvoerders is nooit gevraagd om rekenschap af te leggen over beloftes als dat het VK in de EU markt zou blijven of beloftes als dat het VK eenzelfde positie als Noorwegen zou kunnen innemen (Farage claimde dat, luttlele maanden na het referendum was een poging om in de EFTA te komen als landverraad bestempelt).
Het mag ook opgemerkt worden dat de media in het VK hier een rol in speelden en bepaald geen positieve.

Daarmee werd bedoeld dat indien de gouden bergen die beloofd werden niet gerealiseerd werden het aan de uitvoering maar nooit aan het idee Brexit zou liggen. En zo geschiedde het.

Men zal het moeten redden met wat ze hebben (en importeren) nu, de weg terug naar de EU is lang en moeilijk en het wordt wel hoog tijd dat het besef in het VK moet indalen dat die weg lang en moeilijk is, ik hoor nog veel te veel mensen roepen dat de EU ze wel even meteen weer in de armen gaat sluiten. Dat betwijfel ik ten zeerste.
"The enemy isn't men, or women, it's bloody stupid people and no one has the right to be stupid." - Sir Terry Pratchett.
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Dat was al meteen duidelijk toen niemand van de aanvoerders van Brexit het aandurfde om duidelijk te maken wat Brexit nu eigenlijk inhield behalve de meest vage termen en slogans. Er werd door critici vanaf het begin al opgemerkt dat Brexit dusdanig ongrijpbaar was dat het nooit kon slagen of kon falen als idee, het kon alleen maar gefaald worden.

Deze zelfde aanvoerders is nooit gevraagd om rekenschap af te leggen over beloftes als dat het VK in de EU markt zou blijven of beloftes als dat het VK eenzelfde positie als Noorwegen zou kunnen innemen (Farage claimde dat, luttlele maanden na het referendum was een poging om in de EFTA te komen als landverraad bestempelt).
Het mag ook opgemerkt worden dat de media in het VK hier een rol in speelden en bepaald geen positieve.

Daarmee werd bedoeld dat indien de gouden bergen die beloofd werden niet gerealiseerd werden het aan de uitvoering maar nooit aan het idee Brexit zou liggen. En zo geschiedde het.

Men zal het moeten redden met wat ze hebben (en importeren) nu, de weg terug naar de EU is lang en moeilijk en het wordt wel hoog tijd dat het besef in het VK moet indalen dat die weg lang en moeilijk is, ik hoor nog veel te veel mensen roepen dat de EU ze wel even meteen weer in de armen gaat sluiten. Dat betwijfel ik ten zeerste.
Zeker.
En ja: het was vele mensen toentertijd ook allemaal wel duidelijk. Waaronder O'Brien zelf.
Ik vond het niettemin een goede (en oprecht boze) samenvatting van de leugens en de hypocrisie die menig aanvoerder van het pro-Brexitkamp toen en nu ten toon spreidde en spreidt.
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  zaterdag 20 mei 2023 @ 16:35:49 #209
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  maandag 22 mei 2023 @ 19:14:08 #210
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  vrijdag 2 juni 2023 @ 23:00:53 #211
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Hoe voer je een discussie met een Brexit aanhanger?

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Nadine Dorries is geen MP meer.
Volgens the Times was haar naam van Boris Johnson's honours list geschrapt omdat de resulterende byelection nadelig zou kunnen zijn voor Sunak (als ze naar het House of Lords zou gaan verdwijnt ze uit het lagerhuis, en dan moet er een byelection komen om een nieuwe MP voor haar district te verkiezen). Nu ze opstapt komt die byelection er toch. Haar manier om wraak te nemen?
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Nadine Dorries stands down as MP with immediate effect

Nadine Dorries, the Conservative former culture secretary, has announced she is standing down as an MP with immediate effect.

She made the announcement in a tweet after having reportedly been dropped from Boris Johnson’s resignation honours. The move means there will be a byelection in her Mid Bedfordshire constituency where, in 2019, the Conservatives won a 24,000 majority.

It will be the first byelection where the Tories will seek to retain a seat since Rishi Sunak became prime minister in October 2022.

Dorries tweeted: “I have today informed the chief whip that I am standing down as the MP for Mid Bedfordshire with immediate effect. It has been an honour to serve as the MP for such a wonderful constituency but it is now time for someone younger to take the reins.”

Dorries, a staunch Johnson loyalist, had previously detailed her plan to quit as an MP at the next election. Hours before her dramatic announcement, Dorries told TalkTV that “the last thing I would want to do would be to cause a byelection” in her seat.

Speaking to the broadcaster, where she hosts a chatshow, on Friday morning, Dorries said she had not heard anything but did not expect to be entering the Lords “any time soon”.

“I know nothing,” she said. “There is a process and the last thing I would want to do would be to cause a byelection in my constituency. I don’t believe I will be going into the House of Lords any time soon.”

Her next TalkTV show is due to air on Friday.

The Times earlier reported Dorries, as well as Sir Alok Sharma, the president of the Cop26 climate summit in Glasgow, were struck from Johnson’s trimmed-down honours list to avoid damaging byelections as they would have stood down to take the peerages.

The prospects of such an electoral test would be more challenging for the prime minister in Sharma’s marginal Reading West constituency, where he has a 4,000-vote majority over Labour.

Dorries, who has been an MP since 2005, has been a vocal critic of Sunak’s government since he entered No 10 and is to release a book on the downfall of Johnson.

After her promotion to culture secretary under Johnson’s leadership, Dorries led the now-ditched plan to privatise Channel 4.

She was no stranger to controversy during her time in parliament, losing the Conservative whip in 2013 as a result of her appearance on ITV’s I’m a Celebrity … Get Me Out of Here!
https://www.theguardian.c(...)ith-immediate-effect

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  Moderator / Redactie FP + Sport vrijdag 9 juni 2023 @ 21:12:20 #213
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Trots daw veur Twente bint!
We zijn gehaat en asociaal
We zijn de allermooiste club van allemaal
  vrijdag 9 juni 2023 @ 21:16:28 #214
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How do we turn this world-class fuck-up into a world-class learning experience?
  Moderator / Redactie Sport vrijdag 9 juni 2023 @ 21:16:58 #215
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T was ook z’n laatste kunstje
Berichten van de Guardian's livefeed:
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Boris Johnson stepping down as an MP with immediate effect and says he is 'bewildered and appalled' at being 'forced out'

Boris Johnson is standing down as the Conservative MP for Uxbridge and South Ruislip, it has been reported.

The move by the former prime minister will trigger an immediate by-election.

He took the move after the Privileges Committee of the House of Commons reportedly found he misled Parliament & recommended sanction of more than 10 days.

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Boris Johnson said he had received a letter from the committee which is investigating whether he lied to MPs over Partygate “making it clear, much to my amazement, that they are determined to use the proceedings against me to drive me out of Parliament”.

He said: “I have today written to my association in Uxbridge and South Ruislip to say that I am stepping down forthwith and triggering an immediate by-election.

“I am very sorry to leave my wonderful constituency. It has been a huge honour to serve them, both as mayor and MP.”

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Boris Johnson says Tories must 'recapture momentum' in stinging resignation rebuke to Sunak government

In a rallying call to his followers, Boris Johnson used his resignation statement to deliver a stinging attack on Rishi Sunak’s government.

“When I left office last year the government was only a handful of points behind in the polls. That gap has now massively widened,” he said.

“Just a few years after winning the biggest majority in almost half a century, that majority is now clearly at risk. Our party needs urgently to recapture its sense of momentum and its belief in what this country can do.

“We need to show how we are making the most of Brexit and we need in the next months to be setting out a pro-growth and pro-investment agenda. We need to cut business and personal taxes - and not just as pre-election gimmicks - rather than endlessly putting them up. We must not be afraid to be a properly Conservative government.

“Why have we so passively abandoned the prospect of a Free Trade Deal with the US? Why have we junked measures to help people into housing or to scrap EU directives or to promote animal welfare?

“We need to deliver on the 2019 manifesto, which was endorsed by 14 million people. We should remember that more than 17 million voted for Brexit. “

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Johnson says 'not a shred of evidence' he misled Commons as he steps down

Boris Johnson accused the Standards Committee, led by Labour’s Harriet Harman but including Tory MPs, of having “still not produced a shred of evidence that I knowingly or recklessly misled the Commons”.

“Their purpose from the beginning has been to find me guilty, regardless of the facts. This is the very definition of a kangaroo court,” he wrote.

“Most members of the Committee - especially the chair - had already expressed deeply prejudicial remarks about my guilt before they had even seen the evidence. They should have recused themselves.

“In retrospect it was naïve and trusting of me to think that these proceedings could be remotely useful or fair. But I was determined to believe in the system, and in justice, and to vindicate what I knew to be the truth.”

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Boris Johnson added he thought the Privileges Committe members knew “in their hearts” he did not lie.

In his statement, he added: “They know perfectly well that when I spoke in the Commons I was saying what I believed sincerely to be true and what I had been briefed to say, like any other minister.

“They know that I corrected the record as soon as possible; and they know that I and every other senior official and minister - including the current Prime Minister and then occupant of the same building, Rishi Sunak - believed that we were working lawfully together.

“I have been an MP since 2001. I take my responsibilities seriously. I did not lie, and I believe that in their hearts the Committee know it. But they have wilfully chosen to ignore the truth because from the outset their purpose has not been to discover the truth, or genuinely to understand what was in my mind when I spoke in the Commons.”

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Boris Johnson claimed an attempt to reverse Brexit lay behind the Privileges Committee finding he had misled parliament.

He said it was his “faith in the impartiality of our systems” which led him to commissioner the former civil servant Sue Gray to investigate parties in Downing Street.

“It is clear that my faith has been misplaced”, Johnson said. “Of course, it suits the Labour Party, the Liberal Democrats, and the SNP to do whatever they can to remove me from parliament.

“Sadly, as we saw in July last year, there are currently some Tory MPs who share that view. I am not alone in thinking that there is a witch hunt underway, to take revenge for Brexit and ultimately to reverse the 2016 referendum result.

“My removal is the necessary first step, and I believe there has been a concerted attempt to bring it about. I am afraid I no longer believe that it is any coincidence that Sue Gray - who investigated gatherings in Number 10 - is now the chief of staff designate of the Labour leader.

“Nor do I believe that it is any coincidence that her supposedly impartial chief counsel, Daniel Stilitz KC, turned out to be a strong Labour supporter who repeatedly tweeted personal attacks on me and the government.”

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Boris Johnson added the Privileges Committee had a “very important job” and should not be using their powers to mount “a political hitjob on someone they oppose”.

He said he was resigning because “it is in no one’s interest” that the process of the privileges committee “should continue for a single day further”.

But I am proud that after what is cumulatively a 15 year stint I have helped to deliver among other things a vast new railway in the Elizabeth Line and full funding for a wonderful new state of the art hospital for Hillingdon, where enabling works have already begun.

Johnson said he remained “hugely proud” of all that he said had been achieved during his time in office as Prime Minister.

He said they included “getting Brexit done, winning the biggest majority for 40 years and delivering the fastest vaccine roll out of any major European country, as well as leading global support for Ukraine.”
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0s.gif Op vrijdag 9 juni 2023 19:14 schreef crystal_meth het volgende:
Nadine Dorries is geen MP meer.
Volgens the Times was haar naam van Boris Johnson's honours list geschrapt omdat de resulterende byelection nadelig zou kunnen zijn voor Sunak (als ze naar het House of Lords zou gaan verdwijnt ze uit het lagerhuis, en dan moet er een byelection komen om een nieuwe MP voor haar district te verkiezen). Nu ze opstapt komt die byelection er toch. Haar manier om wraak te nemen?
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https://www.theguardian.c(...)ith-immediate-effect

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Yep, zo dom als maar zijn kan.
"The enemy isn't men, or women, it's bloody stupid people and no one has the right to be stupid." - Sir Terry Pratchett.
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0s.gif Op zaterdag 10 juni 2023 00:25 schreef Tijger_m het volgende:

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Yep, zo dom als maar zijn kan.
Op twitter zag ik ook speculatie dat ze opstapte om Boris de mogelijkheid te geven zich kandidaat te stellen in een safe Tory district. Een optie die ook in een eerder artikel in de Guardian (15 april) vermeld werd:
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Some of Johnson’s allies have also speculated privately that he would be better off relocating to Mid Bedfordshire, the constituency soon to be vacated by Nadine Dorries, one of his most loyal supporters.

Dorries is widely expected to be made a peer in Johnson’s resignation honours list, which is yet to emerge. Her seat is one of the Tories’ safest.
https://www.theguardian.c(...)-safer-seat-election
Ich glaube, dass es manchmal nicht genügend Steine gibt und
Ich bin mir sicher, dass auch schöne Augen weinen
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Volledige honours list van Boris Johnson

DBE's (Dames Commander of the Order of the British Empire) voor oa Priti Patel en Andrea Jenkyns


Knights Bachelor Knighthoods (KBE's?) voor oa Rees-Mogg en Michael Fabricant


MBE (Member of the Order of the British Empire) voor oa Kelly Jo Dodge, "long-time parliamentary hairdresser".
Ich glaube, dass es manchmal nicht genügend Steine gibt und
Ich bin mir sicher, dass auch schöne Augen weinen
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Inmiddels 3 opstappers, zal de tories waarschijnlijk een paar zetels kosten. Niet dat het veel uit maakt.
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Furious Tories turn against Boris Johnson after ‘bias’ outburst

Rishi Sunak is under growing pressure to bar Boris Johnson from standing as a Conservative candidate at the next election, as senior Tories accused the former prime minister and his allies of a coordinated attempt to derail the government.

Amid anger at Johnson within the party over his explosive departure, in which he said he was only leaving Westminster “for now” and accused a cross-party committee of “egregious bias”, there is now a concerted push among senior Tories to ensure Johnson has no route back to the Commons for the foreseeable future.

One senior member of the 1922 Committee of Tory backbenchers, a former backer of Johnson, said it was the clear view among colleagues that he should be blocked from standing for another Tory seat at the next election.

“The pantomime has to end. He has to be stopped by whatever means and the sooner the better,” said the senior figure.

Another grandee on the backbenches, who is close to Sunak and who used to support Johnson, added: “The way he has behaved in insulting the process of the House of Commons is disgraceful. He thinks he can just casually insult parliament. If he is allowed to stand again he will continue to undermine the government.”

Writing in the Observer, former Tory deputy prime minister Michael Heseltine says Johnson’s angry resignation and threat of a return have “all the characteristics of a disaster turned into an opportunity”.

He should not be allowed to run for the party again, Lord Heseltine says. “That is Boris’s basic problem,” he writes. “Words are designed to make his audience believe whatever they want to believe. There is no anchor to any discernible truth or sense of integrity.

“To me it is inconceivable that in these circumstances he could stand as a Conservative member of parliament again. It is up to Conservative central office to affirm an official Conservative candidate. No doubt he will now go out into the world and make huge sums of money, writing history as he thinks it was conducted. But it will have little to do with the reality of the mess he left behind.”

There has been wild speculation in Westminster over Johnson’s next move, with some suggesting he could even attempt to run in the Mid Bedfordshire byelection caused by the resignation of Nadine Dorries, one of his staunchest backers. However, Tory sources dismissed the idea as a non-starter.

It comes as another close Johnson ally, Nigel Adams, triggered a third potentially damaging byelection by announcing on Saturday that he was stepping down with immediate effect. Sunak was already facing byelections in Johnson’s Uxbridge seat, which Labour are confident of winning, and Dorries’s constituency, which is being targeted by the Lib Dems.

Some senior figures in Sunak’s team believe that the activities of a rump of MPs who remain fiercely loyal to Johnson are designed to cause maximum disruption. “It’s a Thelma and Louise moment, deciding to drive off the cliff together,” said a minister.
https://www.theguardian.c(...)gel-adams-byelection
Ich glaube, dass es manchmal nicht genügend Steine gibt und
Ich bin mir sicher, dass auch schöne Augen weinen
  zaterdag 10 juni 2023 @ 22:06:57 #223
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#MakeLanciaGreatAgain
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...There is no anchor to any discernible truth...
^O^
How do we turn this world-class fuck-up into a world-class learning experience?
  zondag 11 juni 2023 @ 15:43:45 #224
70357 Hyperdude
#MakeLanciaGreatAgain
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Nicola Sturgeon arrested in SNP finances inquiry
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Nicola Sturgeon has been arrested by police investigating allegations of financial misconduct by the Scottish National party.

Sturgeon, who quit as first minister and SNP leader in early April, is the third person to be arrested as part of Operation Branchform, the Police Scotland investigation into allegations that more than £600,000 in donations for an independence campaign was misspent by the party.
https://www.theguardian.c(...)are_AndroidApp_Other



Zo dan!

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Nu ben ik eens benieuwd of zij ook met Rigged, Witch Hunt etc. gaat komen :P
"Und Niemals Vergessen - Eisern Union!"
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Dat duurde niet lang:
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Nicola Sturgeon released without charge pending further investigation

Nicola Sturgeon has been released without charge pending further investigation after being arrested as part of a police probe into the funding and finances of the SNP, Police Scotland said.
https://www.theguardian.c(...)urther-investigation
Ich glaube, dass es manchmal nicht genügend Steine gibt und
Ich bin mir sicher, dass auch schöne Augen weinen
  zondag 11 juni 2023 @ 19:39:06 #227
70357 Hyperdude
#MakeLanciaGreatAgain
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Blijft een raar verhaal.

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The former first minister was taken into custody and questioned by detectives at a police station after she attended voluntarily shortly after 10:00.

Officers had up to 12 hours from the time Ms Sturgeon was arrested before they had to decide whether to charge her with a crime or release her while their inquiries continue.

She was released from custody, pending further inquiries, at about 17:25 on the same day - well before the deadline expired.
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/uk-scotland-65872495
How do we turn this world-class fuck-up into a world-class learning experience?
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Nadine 5 dagen geleden: "I have today informed the chief whip that I am standing down as the MP for Mid Bedfordshire, with immediate effect."

Nu:
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Kan me vergissen, maar politici die hun eigen partij of partijleider zo openlijk tegenwerken lijkt vooral voor te komen in landen waar men first-past-the-post toepast. Is dat maar een indruk?
Ich glaube, dass es manchmal nicht genügend Steine gibt und
Ich bin mir sicher, dass auch schöne Augen weinen
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Een tweet (van een Lib Dem) die me opviel:
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Ich glaube, dass es manchmal nicht genügend Steine gibt und
Ich bin mir sicher, dass auch schöne Augen weinen
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0s.gif Op woensdag 14 juni 2023 14:51 schreef crystal_meth het volgende:

Kan me vergissen, maar politici die hun eigen partij of partijleider zo openlijk tegenwerken lijkt vooral voor te komen in landen waar men first-past-the-post toepast. Is dat maar een indruk?
Ik denk dat het hebben van een districtenstelsel (en dus een achterban hebben die in theorie los staat van de partij - in de praktijk lift je natuurlijk mee met de groep “ik stem altijd partij X” stemmers) zwaarder weegt dan FPTP. Wat natuurlijk wel het geval is, is dat FPTP sterk een twee partijen stelsel aanmoedigt zodat je mensen in dezelfde partij hebt zitten die in een PR systeem vermoedelijk competitie zouden zijn.
A gentleman is a man who can play Jump on an Oberheim and chooses not to.
  Moderator donderdag 15 juni 2023 @ 10:54:52 #231
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Well, well, well....

Johnson loog bewust en met opzet tegen het Parlement en als hij niet opgestapt was had hij een schorsing van 90 dagen opgelopen (wat een automatische by-election inhoudt)

https://www.theguardian.c(...)c6988f0834349c1d6e1c
"The enemy isn't men, or women, it's bloody stupid people and no one has the right to be stupid." - Sir Terry Pratchett.
  donderdag 15 juni 2023 @ 10:59:12 #232
38496 Perrin
Toekomst. Made in Europe.
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0s.gif Op donderdag 15 juni 2023 10:54 schreef Tijger_m het volgende:
Well, well, well....

Johnson loog bewust en met opzet tegen het Parlement en als hij niet opgestapt was had hij een schorsing van 90 dagen opgelopen (wat een automatische by-election inhoudt)

https://www.theguardian.c(...)c6988f0834349c1d6e1c
Past iig prima bij zijn persoonlijkheid..
Vóór het internet dacht men dat de oorzaak van domheid een gebrek aan toegang tot informatie was. Inmiddels weten we beter.
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0s.gif Op donderdag 15 juni 2023 10:54 schreef Tijger_m het volgende:
Well, well, well....

Johnson loog bewust en met opzet tegen het Parlement en als hij niet opgestapt was had hij een schorsing van 90 dagen opgelopen (wat een automatische by-election inhoudt)

https://www.theguardian.c(...)c6988f0834349c1d6e1c
Wel goed dat zo'n commissie daar integer opereert en dat ze iemand om die reden uit het parlement kunnen knikkeren. Goed voor het vertrouwen in de politiek.
  vrijdag 16 juni 2023 @ 13:34:05 #234
70357 Hyperdude
#MakeLanciaGreatAgain
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How do we turn this world-class fuck-up into a world-class learning experience?
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Boris verdient absoluut een tweede kans. Het is alleen waarschijnlijk dat hij die tweede kans al ergens in de jaren 80 opgebruikt heeft en de teller intussen een heel stuk hoger staat B-).
A gentleman is a man who can play Jump on an Oberheim and chooses not to.
  vrijdag 16 juni 2023 @ 13:45:53 #236
496005 Jan_Onderwater
Culinair tegen Corona
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0s.gif Op donderdag 15 juni 2023 10:54 schreef Tijger_m het volgende:
Well, well, well....

Johnson loog bewust en met opzet tegen het Parlement en als hij niet opgestapt was had hij een schorsing van 90 dagen opgelopen (wat een automatische by-election inhoudt)

https://www.theguardian.c(...)c6988f0834349c1d6e1c
Geef toe, met opstappen heeft ie een slimme zet gedaan, voor zijn fans is hij nu een held
  Moderator vrijdag 16 juni 2023 @ 14:21:48 #237
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0s.gif Op vrijdag 16 juni 2023 13:45 schreef Jan_Onderwater het volgende:

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Geef toe, met opstappen heeft ie een slimme zet gedaan, voor zijn fans is hij nu een held
Ze kunnen volop van hem gaan genieten in zijn nieuwe rol als columnist voor de Daily Mail.
"The enemy isn't men, or women, it's bloody stupid people and no one has the right to be stupid." - Sir Terry Pratchett.
  vrijdag 16 juni 2023 @ 14:31:25 #238
496005 Jan_Onderwater
Culinair tegen Corona
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0s.gif Op vrijdag 16 juni 2023 14:21 schreef Tijger_m het volgende:

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Ze kunnen volop van hem gaan genieten in zijn nieuwe rol als columnist voor de Daily Mail.
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UK delis could be forced to put up prices after new Brexit tax

Plan to charge £43 per consignment could see some small businesses struggle to stay open

Many UK businesses which import food products from the European Union will have to pay a special “Brexit tax” that will further drive up prices, particularly in smaller shops such as delicatessens, under proposals set out by the government last week.

The planned charge of £43 per consignment, outlined in a consultation document issued by the Department for Agriculture, Food and Rural Affairs (Defra), was described on Saturday by a leading industry figure as “the sting in the tail of a post-Brexit food inspection regime” that was already fuelling inflation.

Shane Brennan, director of the Cold Chain Federation, told the Observer: “This government tax for importing food goods from Europe comes on top of the costs of vets’ and customs agents’ fees, as well as increased supply chain costs, all arising from the post-Brexit realities of trying to service the UK. Forty-three pounds doesn’t sound like a lot but, given that we import thousands of consignments of food goods through Dover every day, it amounts to a border tax costing the industry millions. It is unavoidable that these costs will filter through to consumers.”

Industry sources say they fear in particular for smaller retailers in the UK such as delis and other specialist food outlets which import lots of small amounts of special items from the EU such as Parma ham, French cheeses or Belgian chocolates.

In its consultation document for the industry, Defra admits that it is planning the new charging regime in order to “recover operating costs for government-run border control posts in England”, many of which were built shortly after Brexit to conduct a regime of checks on goods of plant and animal origin that has never come into force because of a series of government U-turns.

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https://www.theguardian.c(...)after-new-brexit-tax
Ich glaube, dass es manchmal nicht genügend Steine gibt und
Ich bin mir sicher, dass auch schöne Augen weinen
  Moderator zondag 18 juni 2023 @ 00:52:02 #240
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Monty Python in de regering.

Erger nog, de eerste berichten van de covid inquiry geven aan dat de Britse regering te druk bezig was met Brexiten om tijdig aandacht te schenken aan de Covid pandemie.
"The enemy isn't men, or women, it's bloody stupid people and no one has the right to be stupid." - Sir Terry Pratchett.
  zondag 18 juni 2023 @ 12:35:06 #241
61891 zakjapannertje
rijksmonument
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Honours row grows after claim Charlotte Owen ‘worked as maternity cover’

The youngest life peer in UK history at the age of 29, the former assistant to Boris Johnson was covering maternity leave in his office

Concern is growing within Whitehall over Boris Johnson’s decision to make a former political aide the UK’s youngest ever life peer, amid claims that she only entered Downing Street’s political office to cover for another official’s maternity leave.

The former prime minister’s resignation honours list caused months of angst within the government as a result of some of the names that Johnson intended to either place in the House of Lords or award with another gong. It has already been confirmed that eight people that Johnson had wanted to place in the second chamber were rejected by the commission tasked with vetting new peers.

However, one of the seven who were approved was Charlotte Owen, 29, who is set to be Britain’s youngest ever peer. “She was perfectly inoffensive, but she is the most junior person in political history to have received a peerage,” said one Whitehall source. “She was maternity leave cover in the political office.”

The Observer attempted to contact Owen about the claim. A source close to Johnson said: “The former prime minister made nominations for peerages and honours in line with precedents. He believes that all those who were nominated were meritorious and will contribute to public service.”

Those who have worked with Owen are concerned over the attention she has received since being awarded a peerage, arguing that she was good at her job and was easy to work with. However, government insiders said she performed a role more like an executive assistant than a top adviser. While no one suggested she had performed badly in her No 10 job, a Whitehall source said that her junior position and short length of service meant she was “the most egregious” addition to Johnson’s peerage list. “It is impossible to defend, even as somebody who broadly thinks the current peerage system is right,” they said. “She was just incredibly junior.”

There is already a dispute over how long Owen served in Downing Street. While her own LinkedIn profile states that she served as a No 10 special adviser from February 2021 until October 2022, she is not listed in the official government directory of special advisers published in June 2021. She does appear in the official list published in July 2022. Even then, she split her time between working for Johnson and the then chief whip, Chris Heaton-Harris.

Owen’s career in Westminster began in earnest in 2017. After stints as an intern, including in Johnson’s office, she worked in the offices of Tory MPs Alok Sharma, Jake Berry and Johnson before becoming a senior parliamentary assistant to the former prime minister in 2020. She later took a post in the political office in No 10. One former Downing Street figure said she did not attend the most senior meetings for most of her time there.

However, close allies of Johnson have issued a strong defence of Owen. Sir James Duddridge, who served as the former prime minister’s private parliamentary secretary from February to July 2022, spoke out in support of her role last week.

“As Boris’s PPS I can confirm Charlotte worked in No 10 as an adviser since February 2021 and did an outstanding job working for the boss,” he said. “She was in the shadows but was a serious player but never wanted to be in the limelight like so many inferior people.”

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https://www.theguardian.c(...)d-as-maternity-cover

Dat ze jong is en weinig jaren ervaring heeft staat vast, maar dat ze iemand verving die met maternity leave ging lijkt me weinig relevant. Wel opvallend dat men daar nu pas achter komt, en dat de naam van die persoon die met maternity leave ging niet eens vermeld wordt (omdat men niet weet wie het was?)
Ich glaube, dass es manchmal nicht genügend Steine gibt und
Ich bin mir sicher, dass auch schöne Augen weinen
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Het VK (en zeker de ambtenarij) is meer van ancienniteit boven merites, dus ik kan me best voorstellen dat vanuit die cultuur iemand die alleen maar tijdelijk op een positie zit voelt als “voordringen”.
A gentleman is a man who can play Jump on an Oberheim and chooses not to.
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Caroline Lucas flagged by disinformation unit over Covid criticism

Exclusive: Green MP calls for inquiry after being named by government units after she criticised ministers

The Green party MP Caroline Lucas has called for an inquiry into a government unit intended to combat disinformation after it emerged she had been flagged by it for criticisms of ministers and government policy over Covid.

Lucas, who lodged a subject access request along with the campaign group Big Brother Watch for details held on her by the counter-disinformation unit (CDU), said her inclusion in a series of reports amounted to “staggering overreach” by ministers.

A government spokesperson said the work of the CDU and the now-defunct rapid response unit (RRU) media monitoring service, which also cited Lucas, was more broad, and that inclusion did not mean someone was suspected of disinformation.

Among examples of information about Lucas held by the CDU was her inclusion in an RRU report on “vaccine hesitancy” based on what was described as a “prominent tweet” by her in 2021 arguing that booster vaccines should be sent to countries with shortages.

In April 2020, she was featured in a CDU “Covid mis/disinformation report” after being critical of the way the government had purchased medical equipment during the pandemic.

She was included again after a 2020 tweet she sent alleging poor government preparedness for a pandemic.

On another occasion in 2020, she was included in an RRU briefing about a tweet she sent about prime minister’s questions, where Dominic Raab stood in for Boris Johnson. Lucas called him “arrogant, complacent and patronising”.

In 2021, Lucas’s name appeared in a CDU report about “mis/disinformation narratives” ahead of that year’s local elections after she was included in a report in the Independent accusing Boris Johnson of being a liar.

Officials argue that many of the examples come from the RRU, which they said acted largely as a straightforward media-monitoring unit. It was closed last year.

The subject access request sets out that some of the examples of Lucas being named were not connected to potential disinformation, or “specific” to it.

But Lucas, who has said she will stand down as an MP at the next election, told the Guardian she was alarmed at the work of the CDU, which was set up in 2019 as part of the Department of Culture, and is now within the Department for Science, Innovation and Technology.

“This is simply staggering overreach from a government which has had, at the very least, a socially distanced relationship with the truth on multiple occasions in recent years,” she said.

“The right of citizens to share entirely valid and objective criticisms of government ministers without fear of the consequences is a cornerstone of our democracy, and must be protected.

If these disinformation units focused their efforts on genuine disinformation, dangerous conspiracy theories and foreign hostility, rather than my tweets, our politics might be in a better place. The CDU is clearly not fit for purpose, and a full investigation must be opened immediately.”

Silkie Carlo, the director of Big Brother Watch, said the information showed the government “has dangerously blurred the lines between genuine disinformation and legitimate political dissent”.

She said: “It’s particularly alarming to see an elected MP’s criticisms of the government logged in reports on so-called ‘election misinformation’, which could then be subject to the most harsh restrictions, including around election periods.”

A government spokesperson said: “The CDU tracks narratives using publicly available information – it has never monitored the activity of any individual and has a blanket ban on referring content from journalists and MPs to social media platforms.

“Mentions in subject access requests are not evidence that the unit considered those references to be disinformation. We are happy to discuss the work of the CDU with any parliamentarian should they wish to find out more about the important work of the unit.”
https://www.theguardian.c(...)over-covid-criticism

Ik zie kritiek op de regering, geen mis/disinformation. Misschien werden haar uitspraken geciteerd door anderen die wel disinformation verspreiden, en zijn ze daarom in die rapporten opgenomen. Maar of dat nodig of verstandig was? Je kan voorspellen dat zoiets controverse en kritiek zal uitlokken. Van een dienst als de CDU die zelf reeds controversieel is zou je verwachten dat ze zouden vermijden hun critici extra munitie te leveren.

Van gov.uk:
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Fact Sheet on the CDU and RRU

Published 9 June 2023

A number of media reports have appeared in recent days concerning the government’s Counter Disinformation Unit.

Here you can read the facts about how it operates and what it does and does not do. It also includes information on the Rapid Response Unit, which was closed in summer 2022.

1. Fact Sheet on the Counter-Disinformation Unit

What is mis/disinformation?

The UK government defines disinformation as the deliberate creation and spreading of false and/or manipulated information that is intended to deceive and mislead people, either for the purposes of causing harm, or for political, personal or financial gain. Misinformation is the inadvertent spread of false information.

Misinformation and disinformation are not new. But social media and new technologies have made it easier, quicker and cheaper than ever before for both domestic and foreign malign actors to spread disinformation to huge audiences and specific targeted groups.

What is the Counter Disinformation Unit?

The Counter Disinformation Unit (CDU) was first set up within the Department for Digital, Culture, Media and Sport in 2019 and it has since responded to periods of acute disinformation risk including Covid-19.

Following Machinery of Government changes in February this year, the unit sits with the new Department for Science, Innovation and Technology.

The team works with partners across government, civil society and in tandem with the regulatory approach through the Online Safety Bill and DSIT’s Media Literacy Strategy.

Its purpose is to understand disinformation narratives and attempts to artificially manipulate the information environment to ensure that the government understands the scope and reach of harmful mis and disinformation and can take appropriate action. Such action can include posting a response on social media rebutting the claim, awareness raising campaigns to promote the facts, and working with social media companies to encourage them to promote authoritative sources of information and consistently enforce their terms of service.

What areas does the CDU work across?

The CDU focuses on content targeted at UK audiences across which poses a risk to:

Public health,
Public safety, or
National security.

Through the COVID-19 pandemic, this has seen the CDU counter disinformation threats that have suggested bleach is an effective way to cure COVID-19 and that 5G masts should be burned down to prevent the spread of the virus. It is currently focused on disinformation related to Russia’s illegal invasion of Ukraine, and has already countered Russian disinformation about Ukraine including denials of mass casualty events – including the Bucha massacre and the bombing of the maternity hospital in Mariupol.

How does the CDU conduct its monitoring work?

The CDU uses publicly available data, including material shared on social media platforms, to develop an understanding of disinformation narratives and trends. It does not, and has never, monitored individuals and all data is anonymised wherever possible.

See the CDU Privacy Notice for further details

How does the CDU work with social media platforms?

The CDU works closely with the major social media platforms to understand their terms of service and to encourage them to promote authoritative sources of information, for example providing links to NHS information on covid vaccines.

It is not the CDU’s primary purpose to monitor for harmful content to flag to social media platforms.

However, where the unit encounter content which meets the two criteria below, content may be referred to the platform concerned for their consideration:

The content poses a demonstrable risk to public health, safety or national security
Is assessed to breach the platform’s terms of service

No action is mandated by the government and it is up to the platform to independently decide whether or not to take any action in line with their terms of service. The Online Safety Bill will require the biggest platforms to have transparent terms of service and to consistently enforce them.

What sort of disinformation did the CDU refer to social media companies?

Examples of narratives the CDU has referred to social media platforms includes:

COVID-19 disinformation narratives, such as claims pushing harmful ‘cures’ for COVID-19 e.g. bleach.
Disinformation related to the Russian invasion of Ukraine, such as denial of mass casualty events by Russian Embassy accounts, e.g. claims the Bucha massacre and the bombing of the maternity hospital in Mariupol, Ukraine, were both hoaxes.

Since the Russian invasion of Ukraine, over 95% of referrals made by the CDU related to state backed disinformation.

How does the CDU ensure freedom of expression?

Preserving freedom of speech is extremely important as part of the CDU’s work. It does not monitor political debate and the CDU does not refer any content from journalists, politicians or political parties to social media companies.

The Online Safety Bill will put in place legal protections to ensure that platforms enforce their terms and conditions and cannot arbitrarily remove content.
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/fact-sheet-on-the-cdu-and-rru
Ich glaube, dass es manchmal nicht genügend Steine gibt und
Ich bin mir sicher, dass auch schöne Augen weinen
  Moderator zondag 18 juni 2023 @ 19:47:21 #245
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6s.gif Op zondag 18 juni 2023 18:24 schreef Litpho het volgende:
Het VK (en zeker de ambtenarij) is meer van ancienniteit boven merites, dus ik kan me best voorstellen dat vanuit die cultuur iemand die alleen maar tijdelijk op een positie zit voelt als “voordringen”.
Nou ja, het is ook Boris Johnson die een lange geschiedenis heeft van...eh...."relaties" met jonge blonde medewerksters. Die verdenking zal er ongetwijfeld ook zijn al heeft niemand die uitgesproken.

Iemand van 29 wiens enige "prestatie" is geweest om Johnson's assistente (whatever that means) geweest te zijn in het Hogerhuis te plaatsen is wel behoorlijk ridicuul.

Maar ja, zonnekoninkjes, he?
"The enemy isn't men, or women, it's bloody stupid people and no one has the right to be stupid." - Sir Terry Pratchett.
  zondag 18 juni 2023 @ 20:06:28 #246
70357 Hyperdude
#MakeLanciaGreatAgain
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Belachelijk systeem.
How do we turn this world-class fuck-up into a world-class learning experience?
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0s.gif Op zondag 18 juni 2023 19:47 schreef Tijger_m het volgende:
Iemand van 29 wiens enige "prestatie" is geweest om Johnson's assistente (whatever that means) geweest te zijn in het Hogerhuis te plaatsen is wel behoorlijk ridicuul.

Maar ja, zonnekoninkjes, he?
Ik was ook al verwijzingen naar Dorries tegengekomen als Incitatus. Boris als connaisseur van de klassieken zou dat toch moeten waarderen.
A gentleman is a man who can play Jump on an Oberheim and chooses not to.
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Children raised under UK austerity shorter than European peers, study finds

British children who grew up during the years of austerity are shorter than their peers in Bulgaria, Montenegro and Lithuania, a study has found.

In 1985, British boys and girls ranked 69 out of 200 countries for average height aged five. At the time they were on average 111.4cm and 111cm tall respectively.

Now, British boys are 102nd and girls 96th, with the average five-year-old boy measuring 112.5cm and the average girl, 111.7cm. In Bulgaria, the average height for a five-year-old boy is 121cm and a girl, 118cm.

Experts have said a poor national diet and cuts to the NHS are to blame. But they have also pointed out that height is a strong indicator of general living conditions, including illness and infection, stress, poverty and sleep quality.

“They have fallen by 30 places, which is pretty startling,” said Prof Tim Cole, an expert in child growth rates at the Great Ormond Street Institute of Child Health, University College London. “The question is, why?”

GPs in poorer areas of the country have reported a resurgence of Victorian diseases such as rickets and scurvy caused largely, they say, by nutritional deficiencies. NHS data shows that about 700 children a year are admitted to hospital with malnutrition, rickets or scurvy in England.

Separate research suggests that dietary inequalities in children from poorer backgrounds are driving higher rates of problems including obesity, type 2 diabetes and dental decay.

Cole, who was not involved in the study, said the data suggests that growing up in the 2010s “which happens to coincide with the period of austerity … tells me that austerity has clobbered the height of children in the UK”.

Food experts point out that a diet of cheap junk food makes people simultaneously overweight and undernourished.

“Children in the poorest areas of England are both fatter and significantly shorter than those in the richest areas at age 10 to 11,” said Henry Dimbleby, the former government food adviser.“This is a big enough problem to have an impact at an international level.”

In the Netherlands, the average five-year-old boy is 119.6cm and the average girl is 118.4cm tall. In France, the figures are 114.7cm and 113.6cm respectively. In Germany they are 114.8 and 113.3. Danish boys are on average 117.4cm tall, and Danish girls 118.1cm.

Dimbleby said that in modern Britain the way we eat is one of the clearest markers of inequality: annual surveys show children from the poorest fifth of families consume about a third less fruit and vegetables, 75% less oily fish, and a fifth less fibre than children from the most well-off families.

The data is taken from national measurement programmes, collated by the Non-communicable diseases risk factor collaboration, a global network of health scientists.

A government spokesperson said: “There are a range of factors that can impact children’s growth, which are not just limited to diet, and we are taking steps to support families by providing record financial support to families who need it most.”
https://www.theguardian.c(...)european-peers-study

Met "years of austerity" wordt blijkbaar de periode bedoeld onder Cameron en Osborne (Chancellor of the Exchequer 2010-2016)
Ich glaube, dass es manchmal nicht genügend Steine gibt und
Ich bin mir sicher, dass auch schöne Augen weinen
  donderdag 22 juni 2023 @ 14:30:23 #249
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Broertje van Katlaah
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Rente onverwachts met 50 basispunten verhoogd om de blijvende inflatie te beteugelen. Dat zal ook wel weer een fors effect hebben op de Engelse huizenmarkt.
Opgeblazen gevoel of winderigheid? Zo opgelost met Rennie!
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https://www.theguardian.c(...)-brexit-success-poll

Only 18% of 2016 leave voters believe Brexit has been a success, according to polling for the thinktank UK in a Changing Europe.

A large majority of those polled – 72% – said they would vote again the way they did in 2016 even knowing what they know seven years later; while 72% also said they wanted to stop discussing Brexit.


Hopeloos die 72%.
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