[UFO/UAP] #3 Pentagon bevestigt UFO's. Public hearing in US Congress

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Op dinsdag 16 augustus 2022 01:02 schreef Dutch_view het volgende:

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De foto's uit ons familiealbum uit die tijd zien er niet veel beter uit qua scherpte, kleur etc
Het feit dat er en de UAP en een normale straaljager op te zien zijn maakt het voor mij wel bijzonder.
Ook best goed getimed om dat op 1 foto in beeld te krijgen.
Qua geloofwaardigheid zie ik liever een foto uit 1990 dan eentje uit 2022.
Natuurlijk kon er ook toen mee gerommeld worden bij de ontwikkeling, maar laat de experts maar even goed kijken naar het origineel

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Op maandag 15 augustus 2022 22:00 schreef Akathisia het volgende:

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En filosofe.

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Op woensdag 17 augustus 2022 12:21 schreef Straatcommando. het volgende:

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Ik vind het maar toevallig dat UFOs altijd de tijdsgeest lijken te weergeven.

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Op woensdag 17 augustus 2022 23:33 schreef Akathisia het volgende:
Ik vind het wel opvallend dat ze veel boven de oceaan gezien worden door lucht/zeemacht maar je bootlui er zelden/niet over hoort.

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https://www.scientificame(...)science-behind-ufos/

With New Study, NASA Seeks the Science behind UFOs

Although modest in scope, a NASA research project reflects shifting attitudes toward the formerly taboo subject of UFOs

_{By Adam Mann on August 3, 2022}

On June 9, with only a few hours’ notice, NASA held a press conference to announce a study it was commissioning on unidentified aerial phenomena (UAPs). The acronym is a rebranding of what are more popularly known as unidentified flying objects, or UFOs, a topic usually associated with purported extraterrestrial visitations and government conspiracy theories. The question on the public’s mind was why one of the U.S.’s premier scientific agencies was getting involved in something often considered to be at the farthest fringes of respectability.

Yet the pronouncement also fit in with the suddenly more open-minded zeitgeist regarding UAPs. Last year saw the publication of a much-anticipated report on the Department of Defense’s own investigations into the subject, following the release of first-person accounts and video from U.S. fighter pilots claiming to show encounters with strange objects in the skies. High-profile coverage in mainstream media and open congressional hearings about UAPs have kept the matter circulating in the public realm. A month after the Pentagon’s report came out, theoretical astrophysicist Avi Loeb, former chair of Harvard University’s astronomy department, announced a private initiative called the Galileo Project, which is aimed at searching for potential evidence of alien technology here on Earth.

What NASA can bring to this discussion is as yet unclear. The agency has set aside a slim $100,000 for the nine-month study—less than the typical funding it provides for exploratory studies of unconventional technologies such as space telescopes with kilometer-scale mirrors or interstellar probes propelled by giant laser beams. Helmed by the well-respected Princeton University astrophysicist David Spergel, the investigation intends to identify existing and future data sets scientists could use to advance their understanding of UAPs. Even if it uncovers little of interest, the study’s existence suggests that something the agency once avoided talking about at all costs is on the cusp of becoming an appropriate topic of inquiry.

“There’s no question you have a lot more voices in scientific and academic circles who are willing to be public and say this is a legitimate enterprise,” says Greg Eghigian, a historian at Pennsylvania State University, who is writing a book about UFO sightings.

NASA’s unexpected UAP announcement is perhaps a bit less surprising in hindsight. The agency’s current administrator, former astronaut and senator Bill Nelson, told reporters last year that he was sure U.S. pilots who reported mysterious encounters “saw something, and their radars locked onto it.” The Office of the Director of National Intelligence and the Office of Naval Intelligence officials behind the Pentagon’s UAP task force had previously spoken about involving multiple branches of government in their investigations, Eghigian says. “NASA was one of the agencies mentioned,” he adds.

Yet exploring enigmatic incursions into American airspaces arguably makes more sense as a project for the military than one for a civil space agency. After all, these unidentified objects—if they exist—might be terrestrial in origin, perhaps constituting evidence of advanced Russian or Chinese aerospace technology rather than anything from beyond Earth. NASA’s study is aimed at categorizing data from Earth-observing satellites and other monitoring instruments that may have picked up some sliver of information relevant to such phenomena to see if there is anything whatsoever the agency can say about their nature. NASA already collects extensive information about the atmosphere using a suite of orbiting probes such as Terra, Suomi National Polar-Orbiting Partnership (NPP) and CloudSat, any of which may have picked up incidental data that could help identify UAPs.

“We have the tools and team who can help us improve our understanding of the unknown,” said Thomas Zurbuchen, associate administrator for science at NASA, in an official statement. “That’s the very definition of what science is. That’s what we do.”

In this, Zurbuchen sounds not unlike Loeb, the most high-profile researcher presently pursuing such inquiries. Loeb had in fact approached NASA about investigating UAPs and sent Zurbuchen a proposal last summer to use telescopes and other instruments to hunt for transient celestial events that might be relevant to the existence of unknown aircraft. He expressed annoyance upon learning that the agency had set up its own independent commission in which he wasn’t involved.

“To me, it’s really a contradiction,” Loeb says. “If there is someone pursuing the research agenda that you’re trying to study, why wouldn’t you collaborate with that person?”

Given that he is the head of the Galileo Project, which has overlapping aims, Loeb was told by NASA that it would be a conflict of interest to have him participate in the agency’s new endeavor. He eventually made peace with the issue. “What matters is the truth,” he says. “It doesn’t matter who tells it. I’m happy that I’m not alone.”

The Galileo Project has recently finished assembling its first telescope instruments on the roof of the Harvard College Observatory, which will begin capturing data in the coming weeks that might speak to the reality of UAPs (or not). Earlier this month, the collaboration held its first in-person conference, where Loeb presented the team’s initial year of progress and plans for the future. There are also 10 scientific papers in preparation from different team members regarding the workings of their telescope, which will be publicly available after they go through peer review.

Loeb is currently pulling together funding to go after the fragments of a roughly breadbox-size meteor named CNEOS 2014-01-08 that crashed off the coast of Papua New Guinea in 2014. Based on the speed at which it entered Earth’s atmosphere, a screaming 162,000 kilometers per hour, Loeb and his student Amir Siraj proposed that the space rock came from another star system (a hypothesis supported by subsequently declassified U.S. spy-satellite data). That pieces of such a small object didn’t entirely burn up suggested to Loeb and Siraj that it was made of a material tougher than iron.

“It makes me ask the question whether it was natural or artificial in origin,” Loeb says. He would like to lead an expedition to trawl the ocean floor with a magnet in an attempt to pick up pieces of what he believes could be an alien spacecraft.

That there are now multiple research projects investigating a formerly scorned subject speaks to how much the scientific landscape has shifted in recent years. “The way NASA has approached the UFO/UAP stuff over the decades, I think a generous and polite word would be ‘cautious,’” says Kate Dorsch, a historian of science at the University of Pennsylvania. The agency went to great lengths to make clear that no credible evidence exists for a linkage between UAPs and putative aliens, and even the level of funding dedicated to its new study implies that it’s not ready to do more than dip a toe in the murky waters around this matter. “$100,000 is a pittance,” Eghigian says. “I’m not sure, for a serious project, what you can do with $100,000.”

At the same time, talking about the possibility of life elsewhere in the cosmos no longer seems as outlandish or disreputable as it once was. Scientists of all stripes regularly draw up plans for probes to look for microbes on planets and moons in the solar system, and they have used their telescopes to search for chemical evidence of living ecosystems on worlds orbiting distant stars.

“I think the UAP stuff is emerging in a climate where we are already discussing life in the universe in a new way,” says Adam Frank, an astrophysicist at the University of Rochester. “Now that the ‘giggle factor’ for the scientific search for life in the universe has gone down, it’s possible this also makes it easier for people to discuss UAPs.”

Accounts of unidentified phenomena often include claims associated with extremely low standards of evidence, such as out-of-body experiences, alien abductions and crop circles, says Jacob Haqq-Misra, an astrobiologist at the Blue Marble Space Institute of Science. “When you lump all that together, I see why some scientists dismiss it all,” he adds. But focusing on eyewitness accounts from esteemed pilots convinced they saw something—accounts often backed up by sensor data—has allowed him to recognize to that there might be something concrete for scientists to investigate, even if the culprit ends up being mundane instrumentation problems.

“If you don’t care about it personally as a scientist, that’s fine.” Haqq-Misra says. “But to pretend like it’s not something interesting—that doesn’t help.”

Some might worry that NASA’s reputation could be sullied by becoming associated with a notoriously pseudoscientific subject or that nothing the agency says about this matter will ever satisfy true believers. “The danger is that NASA will not find anything, and people will be like, ‘Oh, NASA is in on the conspiracy. NASA’s not telling us what’s true,’” Frank says. But he also thinks there’s an opportunity for the study to spark a teachable moment about the process of science and how it investigates the world.

“Science only works because we have this rigorous means of evaluating our own biases,” which involves being willing to scrutinize “your claim that you know what you know,” he says.

By their very nature, UAPs point to events slightly beyond our understanding. They exist at the edges of the known, a realm that science is particularly adept at tackling. The proliferation of projects to investigate UAPs suggests that perhaps some researchers are willing to take a more relaxed attitude toward a subject that was formerly off-limits. But even increased scrutiny seems unlikely to entirely get rid of the questions surrounding them.

“Until somebody builds a perfect system that captures all data at all times at all levels of detail,” Dorsch says, “some of these UAPs are just going to evade knowing.”

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Op donderdag 18 augustus 2022 23:50 schreef Beathoven het volgende:
-De eerste keer dat men de stealth bommenwerper in de testfase zag werd er een "strange triangular black object" gerapporteerd.

-Bolbliksem heeft de eigenschappen van hoge acceleratie / snelheid en vreemde wendingen en kan door materiaal vliegen. Het gegeven dat niet iedereen dagelijks bolbliksem of andersoortige uitzonderlijke weersfenomenen ziet is een gegeven

Deze twee voorbeelden in het buitengewoon normale en buitengewoon natuurlijke zijn imho wat zulke vraagstukken rondom 2D opnames zo ongrijpbaar maakt. Je kunt wel de onderste steen boven willen krijgen, maar als niemand jouw zelfde bevestiging zoekende idee over die steen heeft dan valt er weinig te beginnen.

Dit bovenstaande zegt niet dat ik niet opensta voor buitenaardse signalen, maar hetgeen wat er is staat imho gelijk aan de waarheid over de toekomst in het koffiedikkijken willen horen. Er is niet veel en er valt niet veel mee te winnen. Men heeft geen ET in de kast.

Het dansjes doen rondom het onbekende maar niet openstaan voor debunken is imho de grootste bezigheidstherapie die er is en er zijn interessantere wegen om naar buitenaards leven te zoeken.

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Op vrijdag 19 augustus 2022 12:32 schreef Haushofer het volgende:

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Wat ik zelf nog wel interessant vind, is de folklore rondom UFO's. Er zijn bijvoorbeeld best veel verhalen over ontvoeringen en close encounters, of neem het beroemde Ariel School Incident in Zimbabwe, 1994:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ariel_School_UFO_incident

Kun je al deze verhalen "verklaren" als foklore, massa-hysterie etc.?

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Op donderdag 18 augustus 2022 20:49 schreef Brave_Sir_Robin het volgende:
NASA benadrukt nog eens dat het geen spielerij is.

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Op donderdag 18 augustus 2022 23:50 schreef Beathoven het volgende:
-De eerste keer dat men de stealth bommenwerper in de testfase zag werd er een "strange triangular black object" gerapporteerd.

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Op zondag 10 juli 2022 16:28 schreef SpecialK het volgende:
Hoeveel van die "nou jongens we gaan het eens echt goed onderzoeken" berichten ga je nog ombuigen tot "aliens bestaan en de mensen hogerop weten het wel maar moeten indiana-jones-achtige taferelen uithalen om die informatie naar onze burgers te brengen"

Ik heb bij veel verschillende bedrijven gewerkt en als er 1 ding is wat ik heb geleerd is het dat als je na 10 vergaderingen nog steeds alleen maar loze beloftes en "we gaan er echt naar kijken" hoort... dat er sowieso niks interessants gaat gebeuren. Het is op dat punt een rondje van elke manager die zijn 5 minutes of fame wil krijgen als de man die het echt voor elkaar krijgt... komt er vervolgens een week later achter dat het een grote nothingburger of dat het probleem een vastloper is en laat het over aan de volgende manager die denkt dat hij het wel voor elkaar gaat boksen. Rinse repeat. Totdat mensen zich niet meer laten strikken om zich er op stuk te gaan bijten.

Dat is exact wat hier aan de hand is. Mijn voorspelling is dat over 6 maanden je nog steeds niks (echt) nieuws gehoord zal hebben over progressie. Alleen weer herhaling van het oude materiaal en statements van persoon x,y,z die het wel of niet overtuigend vinden op basis van niks en eeuwige beloftes dat ze er nu ECHT eens hard naar zullen kijken.

En mijn donkerbruine vermoeden is dat al dit gedoe een circle-jerk is omdat er oprecht niks solide is om te rapporteren. Maar dat is moeilijk om dat circus te laten stoppen zonder een mooie bevredigende finale.

Soms is het antwoord uiteindelijk gewoon "... tsja we hebben totaal niet de informatie of het materiaal om een conclusie te trekken". Dat is saai maar vaak het eerlijkste wat je kan doen. En laat eerlijkheid en politici nou net lekker hand in hand gaan... <--- sarcasme (voor de mensen met hersenschade)

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Op vrijdag 19 augustus 2022 15:14 schreef Brave_Sir_Robin het volgende:

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Zoals je in het artikel had kunnen lezen:

"The study panel will consist of 15 to 17 people, Evans added. These folks will be "some of the world's leading scientists, data practitioners, artificial intelligence practitioners, aerospace safety experts, all with a specific charge, which is to tell us how to apply the full focus of science and data to UAP," he said."

100K is niet heel veel geld inderdaad, maar het is ook niet niks. Deze studie pakken ze in ieder geval serieus op.

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Op vrijdag 19 augustus 2022 15:17 schreef Eyjafjallajoekull het volgende:

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100K voor 17 mensen? Bij AH verdien je dus nog beter dan? Tenzij het een onderzoek van een weekje is.

Ik vind het alles behalve serieus klinken.

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Nasa wants to turn satellites into alien hunters
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Asked why the space agency is embarking on such a seemingly 'fringe' subject, it said one of its remits is to look for life outside Earth

Nasa is looking into repurposing satellites that are already in space to hunt for aliens.

Last month, the US Space Agency announced it was launching an eight-month inquiry to investigate hundreds of unexplained UFO sightings. The inquiry is being led by Dr Thomas Zurbuchen, of Nasa’s Science Mission Directorate, who has begun investigating whether satellites in space could be repurposed to give another view on strange aerial phenomena reported from Earth.

Speaking to journalists in London this week, Col Pam Melroy, the deputy administrator of Nasa, said: “This team is going to be looking at questions like: ‘do we have sensors that can see things, you know, take another look at the evidence?’.

“One of the big questions that Thomas asked is: ‘We have a tonne of satellites looking down at the Earth, are any of them useful?’ “I mean, before you build a rover that’s going to Mars, you ask yourself, ‘What’s the sensor I have to build to detect the most interesting thing?’ So they’re going to really focus on that. “How would you get the evidence that you need to be able to determine if it’s an optical phenomena or some other kind (of phenomena)?”

Even the greatest scientists were ridiculed

Bill Nelson, a Nasa administrator, told journalists that he had read all the classified documents relating to UFOs and was convinced that nobody knew what they were. Questioned as to why Nasa was embarking on such a seemingly “fringe” subject, Nelson said that one of the space agency’s remits was to hunt for life outside of Earth, and said that in the past, even the greatest scientists had been disbelieved and ridiculed.

“Remember that one of our missions is to reach out to see if there is life,” he said. “That’s why we’re digging on Mars right now.

“Is there the possibility of life in something as big as the universe? Of course there is the chance that in somewhere as big as that, conditions similar to Earth existed, and some other kind of life form developed.

“Look at what Galileo had to face - the Flat Earth Society - the ones who said everything revolves around the Earth, and he said: ‘No, we revolve around the Sun.’

"And 100 years ago we still only thought there was one galaxy, and then Hubble came along and suddenly said: ‘No there are a bunch of galaxies out there.’"
Last year, Lt Cmdr Alex Dietrich, a US Navy pilot, went public for the first time to describe how she had seen multiple UFOs while stationed off the coast of southern California on the USS Nimitz aircraft carrier in 2004.

The objects moved impossibly fast, she said, dropping a distance of 80,000ft in less than a second and jumping dozens of miles in seconds, in an incident which was caught on infrared camera and radar.

‘One of our missions is to look for life’

According to reports, Cmdr David Fravor, also stationed on the USS Nimitz, engaged one of the oblong objects, which he estimated to be 40ft in length. It disappeared, only to be picked up seconds later on ship radar 60 miles away.

Mr Nelson said he had spoken to both pilots and believed their stories. “I hope it’s not one of our adversaries,” he added. “Because if it is, they’ve got some real advanced technology if this thing is real, and not an optical illusion.

“So I went to our chief scientist, and I said, it seems like that we’re the scientific research agency and one of our missions is to look for life. And there’s this phenomenon that’s going on, so we should approach it from a scientific point of view.”

Last June, the Pentagon’s Unidentified Aerial Phenomena Task Force released a report into 144 UFO incidents between 2004 and 2021, many of which were spotted by military pilots. Even though investigators concluded that there was no evidence the objects had come from outer space, or a foreign adversary, they said that most could not be explained

The report authors said there was no doubt that the UAPs were physical objects, rather than optical illusions caused by atmospheric conditions or sensor malfunctions.

https://www.telegraph.co.(...)ellites-hunt-aliens/

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Op vrijdag 19 augustus 2022 14:39 schreef GwanGwaa het volgende:

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Een vroegere vriend van me bijt zich al jaren vast in deze "materie", is er stellig van overtuigd dat aliens bestaan en dringt zijn mening hierover(want dat is het) tot op het ziekelijke af aan anderen. Heel vermoeiend. Fundamentslistische gelovigen doen precies hetzelfde en die pruim ik evenmin.
Mij interesseert het geen ene barst. Ik denk heel simpel: we gaan er toch niet achter komen in ons leven. Ik kan mijn tijd wel beter besteden.

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Op maandag 22 augustus 2022 22:16 schreef Brave_Sir_Robin het volgende:
Gisteren in een nieuwe docu van Ross Coulthart deze opmerkelijk uitspraak van Garry Nolan:

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Op donderdag 25 augustus 2022 10:23 schreef Haushofer het volgende:
Ik heb net dit interview,

Dr. Garry Nolan on Tucker Carlson (FULL INTERVIEW)

gezien. Halverwege wordt het allemaal wel wat speculatief, maar dit blijft toch wel een heel bijzonder verhaal van iemand (Garry Nolan, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garry_Nolan ) die blijkbaar een goede wetenschappelijke reputatie heeft. Het blijft typisch dat je hier, buiten social media kanalen, toch zo weinig over hoort.

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Op vrijdag 26 augustus 2022 10:44 schreef SpecialK het volgende:
Heeft Garry Nolan de relevante wetenschappelijke credentials om specifiek dingen over natuurkunde of videografie te zeggen. Of is het gewoon een immunoloog met wat papers die zich buiten zijn vakgebied begeeft omdat mensen niet het verschil kunnen zien tussen wetenschappers in veld x en veld y?

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Op zaterdag 10 september 2022 20:58 schreef Brave_Sir_Robin het volgende:
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De website 'The Black Vault' vraagt continu aan de overheid om documenten openbaar te maken via FOIA verzoeken (de Amerikaanse versie van de Wet Openbaarheid van Bestuur).

Al geruime tijd liep er een aanvraag om meer UFO foto's en video's te openbaren, maar het besluit is helaas om die niet vrij te geven. Want de nationale veiligheid is dan in gevaar, omdat vijandelijke mogendheden dan inzicht krijgen in de gebruikte camera-technieken. Hoe plausibel die verklaring precies ik weet ik niet. Maar wel interessant dat er dus meer UFO's op beeld zijn vastgelegd.
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Op zaterdag 22 oktober 2022 07:54 schreef Brave_Sir_Robin het volgende:
Luistertip:
Voormalig US Navy piloot Ryan Graves in gesprek met Joe Rogan. Over de details van wat hij, en velen met hem, gezien heeft ('a cube inside a translucent sphere'), en wat er daarna is gebeurd. Erg interessant deze eerste hand getuigen.

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Listen to this episode from The Joe Rogan Experience on Spotify. Former Lt. U.S. Navy and F/A-18F pilot Ryan Graves was the first active duty pilot to publicly disclose regular sightings of Unidentified Aerial Phenomenon (UAP). Today, Graves serves as first Chair of� the American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics UAP Community of Interest, and is the Director of Business Development at Quantum Generative Materials. www.uncertainvector.com