[AMV] #942 Genoeg Stemmen!

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Op donderdag 14 januari 2021 00:41 schreef hhh38 het volgende:

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En wie gaat dat handhaven? De lokale sheriff?

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Filing: Amazon warned Parler for months about “more than 100” violent threats

Parler's volunteer mods allegedly had a backlog of more than 26,000 posts.

Amazon on Tuesday brought receipts in its response to seemingly defunct social networking platform Parler's lawsuit against it, detailing AWS' repeated efforts to get Parler to address explicit threats of violence posted to the service.

In the wake of the violent insurrection at the US Capitol last Wednesday, AWS kicked Parler off its Web-hosting platform at midnight Sunday evening. In response, Parler filed a lawsuit accusing Amazon of breaking a contract for political reasons and colluding with Twitter to drive a competitor offline.

But the ban has nothing to do with "stifling viewpoints" or a "conspiracy" to restrain a competitor, Amazon said in its response filing (PDF). Instead, Amazon said, "This case is about Parler's demonstrated unwillingness and inability" to remove actively dangerous content, including posts that incite and plan "the rape, torture, and assassination of named public officials and private citizens... AWS suspended Parler's account as a last resort to prevent further access to such content, including plans for violence to disrupt the impending Presidential transition."

"If there is any breach, it is Parler's demonstrated failure and inability to identify and remove such content," Amazon added. "Compelling AWS to host content that plans, encourages, and incites violence would be unprecedented."

https://arstechnica.com/t(...)100-violent-threats/

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Once Trump leaves office, the Senate can’t hold an impeachment trial
Opinion by J. Michael Luttig
Jan. 12, 2021 at 11:42 p.m. GMT+1
(J. Michael Luttig served as a judge on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 4th Circuit from 1991 to 2006.)

It appears that even if the House of Representatives impeaches President Trump this week, the Senate trial on that impeachment will not begin until after Trump has left office and President-Elect Biden has become president on Jan. 20. That Senate trial would be unconstitutional.

On Sunday, House Majority Whip James E. Clyburn (D-S.C.) said that, while House Democrats would take up articles of impeachment this week against President Trump, the House might delay sending to the Senate any articles passed by the House until after President-elect Biden’s first 100 days in office. Biden proposed an alternative, under which the new Senate would immediately begin working on his legislative agenda and confirming his Cabinet appointments in the mornings and conduct the impeachment trial in the afternoon.

The sequencing of the House impeachment proceedings before Trump’s departure from office and the inauguration of the new president, followed by a Senate impeachment trial, perhaps months later, raises the question of whether a former president can be impeached after he leaves office.

The Constitution itself answers this question clearly: No, he cannot be. Once Trump’s term ends on Jan. 20, Congress loses its constitutional authority to continue impeachment proceedings against him — even if the House has already approved articles of impeachment.

Therefore, if the House of Representatives were to impeach the president before he leaves office, the Senate could not thereafter convict the former president and disqualify him under the Constitution from future public office.

The reason for this is found in the Constitution itself. Trump would no longer be incumbent in the Office of the President at the time of the delayed Senate proceeding and would no longer be subject to “impeachment conviction” by the Senate, under the Constitution’s Impeachment Clauses. Which is to say that the Senate’s only power under the Constitution is to convict — or not — an incumbent president.

The purpose, text and structure of the Constitution’s Impeachment Clauses confirm this intuitive and common-sense understanding.

The very concept of constitutional impeachment presupposes the impeachment, conviction and removal of a president who is, at the time of his impeachment, an incumbent in the office from which he is removed. Indeed, that was the purpose of the impeachment power, to remove from office a president or other “civil official” before he could further harm the nation from the office he then occupies.

The plain text of the Constitution’s several Impeachment Clauses confirms this understanding of this limit on Congress’ impeachment power. For example, Article II, Section 4 of the Constitution reads, “The President, Vice President and all civil officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.” In the same constitutional vein, Article I, Section 3 provides in relevant part: “Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States.”

It has been suggested that the Senate could proceed to try the former president and convict him in an effort to disqualify him from holding public office in the future. This is incorrect because it is a constitutional impeachment of a president that authorizes his constitutional disqualification. If a president has not been constitutionally impeached, then the Senate is without the constitutional power to disqualify him from future office.

Some constitutional scholars take support for their view that the Congress can impeach a former president from two instances in which early Congresses impeached “civil officials” after they had resigned their public offices — the impeachments of Sen. William Blount in 1797 and the impeachment of Secretary of War William Belknap in 1876.

These congressional impeachment cases provide some backing for the argument that Congress can conclude that it has the power under the Constitution to impeach a former president. And Congress’s understanding of its constitutional powers would be a weighty consideration in the ultimate determination whether the Congress does possess such authority. When and if the former president goes to court to challenge his impeachment trial as unconstitutional, Congress is sure to make its argument based on these congressional precedents, as well as others, a case that would almost certainly make its way to the Supreme Court.

In the end, though, only the Supreme Court can answer the question of whether Congress can impeach a president who has left office prior to its attempted impeachment of him. It is highly unlikely the Supreme Court would yield to Congress’s view that it has the power to impeach a president who is no longer in office when the Constitution itself is so clear that it does not.

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Op donderdag 14 januari 2021 01:15 schreef The_Playmaker het volgende:
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Dat is nooit een goed teken als je zelf moet aangeven dat je niet gek bent.

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Op donderdag 14 januari 2021 01:25 schreef Toby56 het volgende:
Was dit al langsgekomen?
Uit de Washington Post: Once Trump Leaves Office, Senate Can't Hold An Impeachment Trial

https://www.washingtonpos(...)n-impeachment-trial/
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M.a.w.: tenzij de eerstvolgende bijeenkomst van de Senaat forst naar voren schuift, zit een impeachment door het gehele Congres er gewoon niet in... volgens deze jurist.

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The Senate appears unlikely to take up the article of impeachment against President Trump before his term ends next Wednesday. That does not require the end of proceedings against him. The Senate retains the constitutional authority — indeed, the constitutional duty — to conduct an impeachment trial against the soon-to-be-former president.

The Constitution, Article II, Section 4, provides that the president and other civil officers “shall be removed from Office” following impeachment and conviction by the Senate. Some scholars, most prominently former federal appeals court judge J. Michael Luttig, have argued that because Trump’s term will have already ended and he, by definition, cannot be removed, the impeachment power no longer applies.

With all respect, I disagree. The Constitution references impeachment in six places but nowhere answers that precise question. Article I, Section 3 comes closest to delineating the contours of the Impeachment Power, instructing that “Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States.”

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Op donderdag 14 januari 2021 01:35 schreef Kijkertje het volgende:

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Professor Tribe was het daar niet mee eens:

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The Senate can constitutionally hold an impeachment trial after Trump leaves office
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Op donderdag 14 januari 2021 01:41 schreef Toby56 het volgende:

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Het zijn allebei opinies/interpretaties van de grondwet, door 2 zeer wijze heren.

De discussie erover geeft in ieder geval aan hoe uniek de politieke situatie nu is. (Maar dat wisten we al.)

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Op donderdag 14 januari 2021 00:37 schreef Tijger_m het volgende:
Oh hey, gaan we Rudy weer zien om Trump te verdedigen bij zijn impeachment of zal hij tegen die tijd disbarred zijn?

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Op donderdag 14 januari 2021 01:40 schreef The_Playmaker het volgende:
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Misschien vraagt ze Q wel om te komen getuigen.

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Op donderdag 14 januari 2021 01:45 schreef Kijkertje het volgende:

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Nou ik vind wel dat prof Tribe hierin duidelijk meer standing heeft. Bovendien geeft hij argumenten en precedenten waarom het niet geinterpreteerd kan worden zoals Luttig dat doet.

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Op donderdag 14 januari 2021 01:40 schreef The_Playmaker het volgende:
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Misschien vraagt ze Q wel om te komen getuigen.

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Op donderdag 14 januari 2021 02:09 schreef Kijkertje het volgende:
QAnon-wappie Taylor Greene kondigt nu al Articles of Impeachment aan tegen Biden zodra hij geinaugureerd is

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Oh sorry stond er al

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Op donderdag 14 januari 2021 02:20 schreef The_Playmaker het volgende:
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Op donderdag 14 januari 2021 00:32 schreef Felixa het volgende:

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Hij sprak zelfs "unequivocally" zonder haperen uit.

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Op woensdag 13 januari 2021 22:53 schreef wdn het volgende:

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Niet teveel films geloven

Lanceren van nukes kan een president niet. Het pentagon moet daar dan aan meewerken.

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Op donderdag 14 januari 2021 07:10 schreef AnneX het volgende:
A hot mike after Impeachment is done, picks up mrs. Pelosi voice to an aide:
“Thats right. What is next?”

Mw. Pelosi heeft blijkbaar de serie TWW gezien.