[AMV] Amerikaanse politiek #903 Bidentime is coming to town

quote:

Op dinsdag 8 december 2020 09:47 schreef Belabor het volgende:
Foutje in topicnummer, my bad.

quote:

Op dinsdag 8 december 2020 09:18 schreef Bocaj het volgende:
Maar toen had men daar ook geen poststemmers

quote:

Op dinsdag 8 december 2020 11:04 schreef Tijger_m het volgende:

[..]

In de verkiezingen van 2016 is 12.6% van de stemmen per post uitgebracht. Dus inderdaad, dat is onwaar.

quote:

Op dinsdag 8 december 2020 10:59 schreef Vis1980 het volgende:

[..]

Dat lieg je.

quote:

Op dinsdag 8 december 2020 11:07 schreef Bocaj het volgende:

[..]

Nou nou nou 12.6%
Maargoed, technically heb je natuurlijk gelijk!

quote:

Op dinsdag 8 december 2020 11:09 schreef Bocaj het volgende:

[..]

Grootschalig bedoelde ik eigenlijk. (Je hebt natuurlijk altijd oversea voters en miltaren and what not.)

quote:

Op dinsdag 8 december 2020 11:07 schreef Bocaj het volgende:

[..]

Nou nou nou 12.6%
Maargoed, technically heb je natuurlijk gelijk!

quote:

Op dinsdag 8 december 2020 11:13 schreef Vis1980 het volgende:

[..]

[..]

Dat is grootschalig. Je zei overigens letterlijk dat het helemaal niet gebeurde en nu verleg je de doelpalen alweer. Niet zo liegen, graag.

quote:

Op dinsdag 8 december 2020 11:22 schreef Bocaj het volgende:

[..]


Jij weet best wel wat ik bedoelde!

quote:

Op dinsdag 8 december 2020 11:45 schreef Monolith het volgende:
Er is geen significante fraude en gezever over verloren verkiezingen door fraude hoort gewoon in BNW en niet in POL. Het is natuurlijk tragisch dat de GOP haar ziel heeft verkocht en braaf achter de grote leider aankwijlt, maar dat lijkt me geen reden om die onzin hier te gaan tolereren.

quote:

Op dinsdag 8 december 2020 11:54 schreef Bocaj het volgende:

[..]

Ik kan alleen maar zeggen dat ik hoop je straks hiermee niet om de oren hoef te slaan met deze volstrekt belachelijke opmerking!

quote:

Trump blows a hole in the GOP on his way out
The president’s last-gasp efforts to overturn the election are reshaping the party.

Donald Trump’s efforts to overturn the presidential election have met with defeat in every swing state and in nearly every court where his cases have been heard. But Trump’s campaign to pressure GOP elected officials to support his baseless claims of a rigged election — and his success in convincing a majority of the party that widespread voter fraud occurred — is already showing signs of having far-reaching effects that will reshape the Republican Party for years to come.

State party chairs are tearing into their governors. Elected officials are knifing one another in the back. Failed candidates are seizing on Trump’s rhetoric to claim they were also victims of voter fraud in at least a half dozen states.

As his presidency comes to a close, Trump has not only imprinted his smash-mouth style on the GOP, he has wrenched open the schism between the activist class and the elected class, according to interviews with more than a dozen Republican Party officials and strategists in the states.

“This is Hatfield and McCoy stuff, but it’s McCoy on McCoy, or Hatfield on Hatfield,” said Michael Brodkorb, a former deputy chair of the Minnesota Republican Party. “To see activists across the country really just with pitchforks and torches at the capitols … it’s just bonkers.”

In the short term, the forces unleashed by Trump threaten the party’s prospects in the Jan. 5 Georgia Senate runoff. But the infighting also stands to reshape the party for the long haul, with implications for the midterm elections and the presidential nominating contest in 2024.

In recent weeks, the chair of the Arizona Republican Party, Kelli Ward, told the state’s Republican governor to shut up on Twitter in a feud over the integrity of Arizona’s election, which Biden won — choosing Trump over the state’s highest ranking Republican Party official. Ward’s counterpart in Georgia, David Shafer, joined the state’s two Republican senators in attacking the state’s Republican secretary of state, Brad Raffensperger, while leaving Trump to tear into Republican Gov. Brian Kemp.

In Michigan, the state Republican Party chair, Laura Cox, stood by Trump’s campaign as it pressed Republican lawmakers to override the popular vote in her state — something Republican legislative leaders have said repeatedly they won’t do.

Enmity between the Republican Party’s populist and establishment wings has existed in some form for years, long predating Trump. But Trump’s domination of the party has exacerbated the gulf between them, and his persistent demand that Republicans choose sides has left little room for compromise.

He is leaving the party at an unfamiliar crossroads: The outgoing president is a defeated candidate, but unlike recent one-term presidents, he is adored by the base and is the source of a significant expansion of the GOP’s ranks. Millions of Republican voters remain convinced, without evidence, that the election was unfairly taken from him. And Trump will leave behind a party apparatus controlled by loyalists unbeholden to less populist, less Trumpian holdovers.

The result is that many of the party’s field officers in the states are preparing to dig in to ensure that Trump — and his style of politics — remains the party’s guiding light. That is putting them at cross-purposes with more traditionalist Republicans, such as Sen. Ben Sasse (R-Neb.) and Maryland Gov. Larry Hogan, who are positioning themselves as alternatives to Trump.

Trump has suggested that he will run again, but many Republicans aren’t convinced. Saul Anuzis, a former chairman of the Michigan Republican Party, said, “I suspect we’ll see 15 people running for president again next time around.”

The signs already point to a protracted intraparty war. In Arizona, where Trump was the first GOP nominee to lose since 1996, Daniel Barker, a former Arizona Court of Appeals judge who started a PAC of Republicans supporting Biden, said “there clearly is a major problem” in the Republican Party, even with Trump’s loss.

“If people for the next two or three years view Trump as having 60 or 70 million votes, it’s going to be hard to say no to him,” Barker said, fearful that Trump or Trumpian candidates will maintain a hold on the party. In response, members of Barker’s group are weighing whether to begin recruiting Republican-minded independents to run in Arizona if Trump-oriented candidates clog the Republican Party field.

Stan Barnes, a former ArIzona state lawmaker and longtime Republican consultant, predicted the name-calling between Republicans is “a fever that will come and go.” Still, he said, “it’s acute.”

After Ward’s back and forth with Arizona Gov. Doug Ducey last week, Barnes said, “You just don’t often get the leader of the party willing to say out loud, ‘Hey, governor, shut the hell up,‘ and then the governor responds in kind.”

He called it a “special occurrence I’ve never seen before.”

And it isn’t just in Arizona. Fearful of alienating Trump’s base in Georgia, Sen. Kelly Loeffler (R-Ga.) over the weekend declined to answer multiple questions during a debate with the Rev. Raphael Warnock, her Democratic opponent, about whether it was wrong for Trump to attack Kemp — the governor who appointed her to her seat in 2019.

In New Hampshire, a small group of Republicans are openly discussing impeachment of Gov. Chris Sununu, a popular Republican who just won reelection in a landslide. The crime was his imposition of a coronavirus-related mask order, though the state party chair, Stephen Stepanek, defended the governor.

And in Massachusetts, Gov. Charlie Baker — who is highly popular in his state — has been hammering the president for his "wildly inappropriate" challenge of the election, while the GOP chair, Jim Lyons, advances the “Trump movement” in his heavily Democratic state.

Rob Gray, a veteran Republican strategist who advised Baker and three former Massachusetts governors — Mitt Romney, Paul Cellucci and Bill Weld — said the relationship between Hogan and Lyons isn’t caustic, but “uncomfortable.”

“I would say the Trump element of the party here is a faction,” Gray said. “The push and pull on the party are Trump supporters versus [more moderate] Weld Republicans and practical institutionalist members of the Republican state committee.”

In red swaths of the country, that push and pull is heavily lopsided in Trump’s favor — and for good reason. Despite Trump’s loss last month, the GOP’s success in congressional and legislative races across the country was widely viewed as a testament to Trump’s appeal to voters previous Republicans have been unable to turn out — something state party chairs will be loath to let go.

Jeff Kaufmann, chair of the Iowa Republican Party, had planned to retire after the election, but said he intends to stay on in part because he sees the party expanding — with a coalition that will depend on maintaining “an element of our party that is populist, that is blue-collar. And that’s something that Trump gave to us.”

Kaufmann, a former Iowa state lawmaker who has been the state party chairman since 2014, said that “as the party chair, we have to ensure that Donald Trump’s attitude toward establishment-era politics” is maintained, describing part of that appeal as giving “the middle finger to the establishment.”

“The Mitt Romney-lites of the world, the Ben Sasse-lites of the world, they’re hanging on, they’re waiting, and they’re going to appear again, and they’re going to be well-funded,” Kaufmann said. “Whether it be 2024 or 2028, one way or another, we’re going to all have that ‘come to Jesus’ moment when we decide who do we want as our candidate again, and God help us if it’s a Mitt Romney-type again.”

Publicly, the national party is taking all comers for 2024. Last week, Ronna McDaniel, the chair of the Republican National Committee, invited about a dozen potential 2024 presidential candidates to the RNC’s meeting in Amelia Island, Fla., in what was widely viewed as a show of neutrality ahead of the next nominating process. Even if the party isn’t neutral, the rise of outside fundraising in recent years has diminished the significance of party organizations. And Trump’s romp through the 2016 primary field demonstrated the ability of a candidate to overcome the GOP’s existing infrastructure in the states.

“One of the best-kept secrets in politics today is that the party structure is not as relevant as it used to be, because each candidate is a free agent,” said Pat McCrory, the former Republican governor of North Carolina. “After the candidates are selected is when [the party] becomes more important to help get a ground game going.”

But in the run-up to the campaign, the deck will be stacked in favor of Trump — or candidates who are in his good graces. Many state party chairs who were viewed as disloyal to the president have been ousted since his 2016 election, and many chairs who were initially skeptical of Trump have been won over by his popularity with the party’s base.

“All of these people, ironically or brilliantly, Trump was able to unite, to a large extent,” Anuzis said. “The hawks got a defense build-up, the Rand Pauls got a pull-out from the Middle East, … conservatives got their judges. … You can go through there and see how he was very adept at dealing with the various constituencies and making people feel good.”

That goes from top to bottom — from the RNC down to state and county parties, as well as local clubs that remain instrumental in off-year voter registration efforts and in fielding down-ballot candidates.

In a measure of how deeply Trump’s influence penetrates in the states, Michael Burke, chair of the Republican Party in Pinal County, Arizona, sent Ducey a letter last month on behalf of 13 of the 15 Republican county chairs across Arizona that called for the governor to reconvene the legislature to address GOP concerns about the vote in that state.

Burke said the “chances are getting slimmer every day” that Trump will prevail in his challenges to the election. But regardless, Burke said, “it’s still Donald Trump’s party. He’s probably, I believe, going to be the most consequential former president in our lifetime.”

Of tension in the party, he said, “I think it will be long-lasting.”

quote:

Op dinsdag 8 december 2020 11:54 schreef Bocaj het volgende:

[..]

Ik kan alleen maar zeggen dat ik hoop je straks hiermee niet om de oren hoef te slaan met deze volstrekt belachelijke opmerking!

quote:

Op dinsdag 8 december 2020 12:28 schreef Ulx het volgende:
[ twitter ]

Heeft iemand meer info over deze uitspraak?

Dit lijkt me wel een beetje bizarre bullshit van LadyG.
Law and order is tenslotte erg belangrijk.

quote:

Op dinsdag 8 december 2020 11:54 schreef Bocaj het volgende:

[..]

Ik kan alleen maar zeggen dat ik hoop je straks hiermee niet om de oren hoef te slaan met deze volstrekt belachelijke opmerking!

quote:

Op dinsdag 8 december 2020 13:15 schreef Knipoogje het volgende:

[..]

Dat had gekund als er gerede twijfel was geweest maar na 1-49 in rechtzaken, beoordeeld door republikeinen en door Trump aangestelde rechters kunnen we daar toch niet echt van spreken.
Verlies de realiteit niet uit het oog Bocaj. Want dát is de realiteit en niet iets anders wat in het rechtse bubbeltje verspreid wordt.

Jij bent inmiddels 49 keer om je oren geslagen.

quote:

Op dinsdag 8 december 2020 12:43 schreef Ulx het volgende:
heeft Trump nog iets gezegd of geschreven over Pearl Harbour?