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I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me.twitter:maggieNYT twitterde op maandag 27-01-2020 om 19:09:30 RNC sends out email attacking Bolton https://t.co/rgrfSS6awN reageer retweetI hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me.Niet heel slim als een van de aanklachten "obstruction of congress" is.twitter:Santucci twitterde op maandag 27-01-2020 om 19:01:47 Senior level White House sources tell @ABC the president’s legal team is preparing for the possibility of witnesses in the impeachment trial. Sources tell @jonkarl @KFaulders & me legal team preparing aggressive, drawn out legal fight to block testimony of potential witnesses. reageer retweetI hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me.twitter:kylegriffin1 twitterde op maandag 27-01-2020 om 20:20:04 Several Republican senators had angrily called the White House trying to determine who at the admin knew about Bolton's manuscript, which aides there have had for several weeks, and what was in it. They told the White House they felt blindsided. https://t.co/SZgZiY7fjp reageer retweet
Intussen gaan ze gewoon door alsof het Bolton-bommetje niet gevallen is. Een duidelijk gebrek aan flexibiliteit binnen het defense team.twitter:tribelaw twitterde op maandag 27-01-2020 om 20:27:21 Jay Sekulow and Mike Purpura are arguing the “facts” as though the Bolton bombshell hadn’t exploded. This displays incomprehensible argumentative ineptitude. Adapting to radically changed circumstances is the least that respect for one’s audience demands. reageer retweet“The fundamental cause of the trouble in the modern world today is that the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt.”— Bertrand Russellquote:Op maandag 27 januari 2020 20:33 schreef Kijkertje het volgende:
Intussen gaan ze gewoon door alsof het Bolton-bommetje niet gevallen is. Een duidelijk gebrek aan flexibiliteit binnen het defense team.twitter:tribelaw twitterde op maandag 27-01-2020 om 20:27:21 Jay Sekulow and Mike Purpura are arguing the “facts” as though the Bolton bombshell hadn’t exploded. This displays incomprehensible argumentative ineptitude. Adapting to radically changed circumstances is the least that respect for one’s audience demands. reageer retweetquote:Ken Starr, one of President Trump’s defense lawyers, is arguing now in an impeachment trial in dramatically changed circumstances. John R. Bolton, the former national security adviser, revealed in a manuscript that Mr. Trump wanted to continue freezing security aid to Ukraine until he got help with investigations into Democrats, and now calls are intensifying for witnesses to appear in the trial. Mr. Starr, whose investigation of former President Bill Clinton led to Mr. Clinton’s impeachment, said that “like war, impeachment is hell.”
Republicans are angrily pressing the White House in private about the revelations from the manuscript, saying they were blindsided by the former adviser’s account — especially because the administration has had a copy of it since Dec. 30. Many Republicans have adopted the arguments offered by Mr. Trump’s defense team, but Mr. Bolton’s assertions directly contradict them.
Senator Mitch McConnell privately urged his colleagues to “take a deep breath” at a luncheon before the trial resumed. Just after midnight, President Trump denied Mr. Bolton’s account, accusing his former adviser of trying to sell books. Mr. Trump has survived numerous scandals that could have been turning points for past presidents, but Mr. Bolton’s revelations could hardly come at a worse time for the president.twitter:SethAbramson twitterde op maandag 27-01-2020 om 20:31:32 Trump's lawyers are now making their *strangest* argument: the fact that Ukraine is infamously corrupt *across the board* means that Trump *only* caring about the alleged corruption of a single *American* with *no business* in Ukraine—his political rival, Joe Biden—is exculpatory reageer retweettwitter:SethAbramson twitterde op maandag 27-01-2020 om 20:33:16 A related *insane* defense: Trump's lawyers say the fact that Trump could easily have confirmed that the EU was giving *tons* of aid to Ukraine but decided to ignore that data and accept *instead* the representations of foreign agents, including Kremlin agents, means he did good reageer retweettwitter:SethAbramson twitterde op maandag 27-01-2020 om 20:34:59 You know who told Trump that the EU wasn't aiding Ukraine? LEV PARNAS, the employee of Ukrainian oligarch and international fugitive DMYTRO FIRTASH who Trump, his legal team, and all his defenders now say is a criminal and scoundrel who *no one should ever believe about anything* reageer retweet
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“The fundamental cause of the trouble in the modern world today is that the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt.”— Bertrand Russelltwitter:kylegriffin1 twitterde op maandag 27-01-2020 om 21:00:13 "I'm already hearing a number of Republicans who are moving toward voting to at least hear from John Bolton," Sen. Angus King said.When asked if four Republicans would vote for witnesses: "I think there'll be more. My bold prediction will be five or 10."https://t.co/LT2ZZUixb3 reageer retweet
“The fundamental cause of the trouble in the modern world today is that the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt.”— Bertrand RussellYeah!twitter:kylegriffin1 twitterde op maandag 27-01-2020 om 21:00:13 "I'm already hearing a number of Republicans who are moving toward voting to at least hear from John Bolton," Sen. Angus King said.When asked if four Republicans would vote for witnesses: "I think there'll be more. My bold prediction will be five or 10."https://t.co/LT2ZZUixb3 reageer retweetI hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me.Niet loyaal aan wie? Aan een crimineel?twitter:oliverdarcy twitterde op maandag 27-01-2020 om 20:31:40 Rush Limbaugh today: "I’ve had dinner with John Bolton a couple times. I’ve met him two or three times, and if this passage in the book is true, and this is actually what he’s intending, it’s not the John Bolton I thought I knew, this kind of disloyalty." reageer retweetI hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me.
Nog even over de hypocrisie van Ken Starr: een betoog houden over het gevaar van een te lage drempel van het middel van impeachment om een president af te zetten? Really?
Tien pakken boter op zijn hoofd
twitter:SethAbramson twitterde op maandag 27-01-2020 om 19:40:37 (FACT) Starr's funky math aside, the Trump impeachment trial is only the *second* presidential impeachment trial in the last 151 years—and the other was the shameful one Starr himself forced upon America after *7 years* of failing to find any misconduct by the president in office reageer retweet“The fundamental cause of the trouble in the modern world today is that the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt.”— Bertrand Russelltwitter:SethAbramson twitterde op maandag 27-01-2020 om 21:25:38 Hopefully some of these courtroom artists will be able to capture GOP senators wincing visibly each and every time Jane Raskin says the name "Giuliani" reageer retweetwauw, geen zee te hoog, geen argument te gektwitter:SethAbramson twitterde op maandag 27-01-2020 om 21:27:26 The Trump impeachment trial is the first time in U.S. legal history a man (Sondland) speaking directly and repeatedly to another man (Trump) both in person and on the telephone is referred to as "third-hand information" reageer retweeten hij was niet op een political errand... hij was op zoek naar bewijs voor iets dat allang weerlegd was.twitter:SethAbramson twitterde op maandag 27-01-2020 om 21:30:58 And there it is: Jane Raskin has just accused Giuliani of *going rogue*, despite Giuliani saying for nine months that everything he did was on Trump's behalf and with Trump's knowledge reageer retweetDus....twitter:kylegriffin1 twitterde op maandag 27-01-2020 om 21:20:19 .@AriMelber: "This was a disaster for Republicans. A total unmitigated legal and constitutional disaster. Ken Starr, at no point in this dramatic, at times mournful, opening explained in any factual or legal way what's different." @MSNBC reageer retweetI hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me.'Giuliani is just a minor player'quote:Op maandag 27 januari 2020 21:29 schreef la_perle_rouge het volgende:
twitter:SethAbramson twitterde op maandag 27-01-2020 om 21:25:38 Hopefully some of these courtroom artists will be able to capture GOP senators wincing visibly each and every time Jane Raskin says the name "Giuliani" reageer retweetwauw, geen zee te hoog, geen argument te gektwitter:SethAbramson twitterde op maandag 27-01-2020 om 21:27:26 The Trump impeachment trial is the first time in U.S. legal history a man (Sondland) speaking directly and repeatedly to another man (Trump) both in person and on the telephone is referred to as "third-hand information" reageer retweeten hij was niet op een political errand... hij was op zoek naar bewijs voor iets dat allang weerlegd was.twitter:SethAbramson twitterde op maandag 27-01-2020 om 21:30:58 And there it is: Jane Raskin has just accused Giuliani of *going rogue*, despite Giuliani saying for nine months that everything he did was on Trump's behalf and with Trump's knowledge reageer retweet
“The fundamental cause of the trouble in the modern world today is that the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt.”— Bertrand RussellFilmpje zonder geluid, waarin Nadler leek op iets dat je zo in de Efteling bij de laven kon neerzetten.
Niet zo goed voorbereid. En ook niet zo soepel als Schiff gereageerd op een niet-werkend filmpje.Giuliani wordt binnenkort opgepakt, lijkt me duidelijk. Ze hebben zich echt niet voor niets zojuist van hem ontdaan.Jane Raskin zong evenwel zijn lof in alle toonaarden, als misdaad- en corruptiebestrijder, overal ter wereld zeer gewaardeerd en meer hyperbolen. Toch?quote:
Giuliani wordt binnenkort opgepakt, lijkt me duidelijk. Ze hebben zich echt niet voor niets zojuist van hem ontdaan.
Ophemelen voor neersabelen?Idd. Giuliani heeft als privépersoon diplomatie beoefend zonder opdracht. Dat is toch wel verboden.I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me.quote:Niet loyaal aan wie? Aan een crimineel?twitter:oliverdarcy twitterde op maandag 27-01-2020 om 20:31:40 Rush Limbaugh today: "I’ve had dinner with John Bolton a couple times. I’ve met him two or three times, and if this passage in the book is true, and this is actually what he’s intending, it’s not the John Bolton I thought I knew, this kind of disloyalty." reageer retweettwitter:jgeltzer twitterde op maandag 27-01-2020 om 21:30:42 Wouldn’t the more natural conclusion from Limbaugh be: “if this passage in Bolton’s book is true, it’s not the DONALD TRUMP I thought I knew” . . . ? https://t.co/dAC3HkprdT reageer retweet“The fundamental cause of the trouble in the modern world today is that the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt.”— Bertrand Russelltwitter:petridishes twitterde op maandag 27-01-2020 om 21:46:58 so if i am understanding correctly, a fair process should happen neither in public nor behind closed doors, not with witnesses nor without witnesses, quickly but in due time, neither by day nor by night reageer retweet
“The fundamental cause of the trouble in the modern world today is that the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt.”— Bertrand Russelltwitter:SethAbramson twitterde op maandag 27-01-2020 om 21:49:46 I have to think that sometime within the next few hours—in some small office somewhere in the Capitol, where Trump's legal team is huddling during a recess—the door will suddenly slam open and a red-faced McConnell will burst in shouting, "What in actual f*ck are you *doing*...?" reageer retweetquote:twitter:petridishes twitterde op maandag 27-01-2020 om 21:46:58 so if i am understanding correctly, a fair process should happen neither in public nor behind closed doors, not with witnesses nor without witnesses, quickly but in due time, neither by day nor by night reageer retweettwitter:skolanach twitterde op maandag 27-01-2020 om 21:47:42 @petridishes Schrödinger’s Impeachment reageer retweet
twitter:SethAbramson twitterde op maandag 27-01-2020 om 21:49:46 I have to think that sometime within the next few hours—in some small office somewhere in the Capitol, where Trump's legal team is huddling during a recess—the door will suddenly slam open and a red-faced McConnell will burst in shouting, "What in actual f*ck are you *doing*...?" reageer retweettwitter:SethAbramson twitterde op maandag 27-01-2020 om 21:51:39 McConnell would go on to underscore the *insanity* of having a whole presentation about Rudy Giuliani, having Ken Starr be Team Trump's "expert witness" on (OMG) restraint in impeachment proceedings, having Purpura pretend for 20 minutes that Bolton's bombshell never happened.... reageer retweetI hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me.twitter:HouseIntel twitterde op maandag 27-01-2020 om 21:57:51 White House Claim: The House denied due process.Reality: President Trump was offered the same or better procedural privileges than those given to Nixon and Clinton. He chose not to avail himself of these privileges. #TruthMatters https://t.co/qIxNYbiv1d reageer retweet
RNC sends out email attacking Bolton 
Senior level White House sources tell @
Several Republican senators had angrily called the White House trying to determine who at the admin knew about Bolton's manuscript, which aides there have had for several weeks, and what was in it. They told the White House they felt blindsided. 
Jay Sekulow and Mike Purpura are arguing the “facts” as though the Bolton bombshell hadn’t exploded. This displays incomprehensible argumentative ineptitude. Adapting to radically changed circumstances is the least that respect for one’s audience demands. 
Trump's lawyers are now making their *strangest* argument: the fact that Ukraine is infamously corrupt *across the board* means that Trump *only* caring about the alleged corruption of a single *American* with *no business* in Ukraine—his political rival, Joe Biden—is exculpatory 
Rush Limbaugh today: "I’ve had dinner with John Bolton a couple times. I’ve met him two or three times, and if this passage in the book is true, and this is actually what he’s intending, it’s not the John Bolton I thought I knew, this kind of disloyalty." 
Wouldn’t the more natural conclusion from Limbaugh be: “if this passage in Bolton’s book is true, it’s not the DONALD TRUMP I thought I knew” . . . ? 
so if i am understanding correctly, a fair process should happen neither in public nor behind closed doors, not with witnesses nor without witnesses, quickly but in due time, neither by day nor by night 
@petridishes Schrödinger’s Impeachment 
White House Claim: The House denied due process.Reality: President Trump was offered the same or better procedural privileges than those given to Nixon and Clinton. He chose not to avail himself of these privileges. 
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