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5:35 p.m.: Judge, prosecutors spar over pace of the case

Late in the afternoon Monday, prosecutors sparred notably with Judge T.S. Ellis III over the pace of the case.
The heated confrontation came as prosecutors attempted to enter into evidence Rick Gates’s passport to show details of his travels to Ukraine and Cyprus. Ellis interrupted them.

“Let’s get to the heart of the matter,” he scowled.

“Judge, we’ve been at the heart …” prosecutor Greg Andres interrupted.

“Just listen to me!” Ellis bellowed from the bench.

By the judge’s way of thinking, Manafort’s defense was not contesting the places where Gates had traveled, and thus there was no reason to show jurors pictures of Gates’s passport. By Andres’s telling, Gates’s travels were relevant to the case, and defense attorneys had not conceded to any sort of instruction that would tell jurors where Gates had gone.

Ellis told Andres he was looking for ways to “expedite.” Andres responded, “We’re doing everything we can to move the trial along.” The dispute seemed to die for a moment, but later, as Andres asked questions about Gates’s work overseas, Ellis again grew irritated.

“We need to focus sharply,” Ellis told the prosecutor. Andres tried to explain his line of inquiry.

“Next question,” the judge snapped.

“The government … ” Andres started to say.

“Next question,” Ellis snapped again, his voice rising.

Andres moved on.
“The fundamental cause of the trouble in the modern world today is that the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt.”— Bertrand Russell
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Intussen is Trump voor de verandering maar weer eens aan een serie feitenloze propaganda tweets begonnen. :')
“The fundamental cause of the trouble in the modern world today is that the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt.”— Bertrand Russell
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Manafort, seated between his lawyers in a dark suit, blue shit and purple tie, stared intently at his former business partner as he spoke.
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“The fundamental cause of the trouble in the modern world today is that the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt.”— Bertrand Russell
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After dismissing the jury, Judge Ellis laid into prosecutor Greg Andres for what he saw as unnecessary questioning about the motivations of billionnaires involved in politics in Ukraine.

Andres pushed back angrily, prompting a heated exchange that went on for over ten minutes.

Ellis repeatedly criticized Andres for not making eye contact, saying “look at me” and saying he “looked down as if to say, ‘that’s BS.'”

Andres responded with frustration saying, “You continue to interpret our reactions in some way,” when the lawyers don’t do the same to the judge.

“You never rolled your eyes,” Ellis said, a reference to when he criticized the attorneys for doing so last week, “but you’re not the only one sitting at that table.”

The substance of the argument is how prosecutors can characterize the people who paid Manafort through companies in Cyprus.

He has already barred prosecutors from using the word “oligarch.” Andres had asked Gates whether these men were billionaires who benefited financially when their political party did well, and Gates agreed.

After court, Andres said he had to have Gates explain their financial motivations because Ellis had interjected and called their spending “political contributions.”

“These people are not like any Americans,” Andres said, after Ellis for the second time invoked the Koch brothers and George Soros for comparison.

“These people are oligarchs, and that means they control a segment of the economy based on the government’s allowing them to do that,” Andres said. Ellis cut in, laughing, “That makes it even clearer to me that it doesn’t have anything to do with the allegations in this case,” he said. “It throws dirt on these people. They may deserve it; I don’t know and I don’t care.” It’s irrelevant, the judge said, to whether Manafort reported and paid taxes on the money they paid him.

Andres said that “respectfully” he disagreed.

“It proves the flow of money,” he said. “We’re just trying to prove these men in Ukraine are the payers.” The payments come from companies in Cyprus that are not in their names to companies in Cyprus not in Manafort’s names, and so they need to show these people “have the ability to make these payments” and the motivation.

Ellis disputed that he had limited prosecutors significantly or interrupted them often and said the record would support him on that.

“I will stand by the record as well,” Andres retorted.

“All right, then you will lose,” Ellis responded.

Testimony has wrapped for the day and will resume at 9:30 a.m. Tuesday.
“The fundamental cause of the trouble in the modern world today is that the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt.”— Bertrand Russell
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Action star Steven Seagal was named Russia’s special envoy to the US

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Interesting move by someone who once starred in a movie called The Patriot.

If you thought things between the US and Russia couldn’t get any weirder, there’s this: The Kremlin has named famed martial artist and actor Steven Seagal as a special envoy to the United States.

Yes, this is a thing that is really happening in 2018.

Seagal’s unpaid and mostly ceremonial position will have him working with US officials on humanitarian issues between the US and Russia, as well as other matters that come up “in the field of culture, arts, science, education, sports, public and youth exchanges,” according to a statement by Russia’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs on Facebook.

Seagal is excited about the opportunity. “I am deeply humbled and honoured to have been appointed as a special representative of the Russian Foreign Ministry in charge of Russian and American Humanitarian ties,” Seagal tweeted on Sunday afternoon. I take this honour very seriously.”

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SethAbramson twitterde op maandag 06-08-2018 om 22:48:26 TRUE STORY: I'd just finished writing a chapter on how Bob Van Ronkel tried to connect Trump and Putin in 2013--and how he did that for Steven Seagal, and how Van Ronkel may've been with Seagal and Trump in Moscow during the 2013 pageant--when this happened: https://t.co/OKqueqLvnh reageer retweet
Wat een shit show 8)7

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“The fundamental cause of the trouble in the modern world today is that the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt.”— Bertrand Russell
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kylegriffin1 twitterde op dinsdag 07-08-2018 om 01:25:34 A federal judge has ruled that the Trump admin cannot enforce an updated policy barring certain transgender people from serving in the U.S. military, becoming the second court in the country to rule against the government. https://t.co/DkM1xWsfPR reageer retweet
“The fundamental cause of the trouble in the modern world today is that the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt.”— Bertrand Russell
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RudyGiuliani twitterde op dinsdag 07-08-2018 om 01:14:57 There is a moron on Fox claiming I chain smoke cigarettes worrying about the President’s tweets. Don’t smoke cigarettes. Hate ‘me. Smoke only premium cigars and I hope this idiot is not a lawyer because if he is he should sue his Law School. reageer retweet
Rudy ! _O_
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Over shit show gesproken, mooi artikel:

Amusing ourselves to Trump

We are buried under ignorance disguised as information.

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In his classic 1985 book Amusing Ourselves to Death, Neil Postman wrote of the difference between George Orwell’s and Aldous Huxley’s visions of fascism.

“Orwell feared those who would deprive us of information,” wrote Postman. “Huxley feared those who would give us so much that we would be reduced to passivity and egoism. Orwell feared that the truth would be concealed from us. Huxley feared the truth would be drowned in a sea of irrelevance.”

Postman’s warning rang out in a different era. He worried over the rise of television, not Twitter; he was reacting to Ronald Reagan, not Donald Trump. And yet the facts of our age are more absurd and insulting than anything Postman prophesied.

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'Roger Waters, ooit de leadzanger van Pink Floyd, werd geïnspireerd door een boek van mij om een cd genaamd Amused to Death te maken. Dit veroorzaakte een groei in mijn populariteit onder studenten. Toch zal ik Waters of zijn muziek nooit evenaren' - Neil Postman in The End of Education
“The fundamental cause of the trouble in the modern world today is that the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt.”— Bertrand Russell
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0s.gif Op dinsdag 7 augustus 2018 01:41 schreef Nintex het volgende:
RudyGiuliani twitterde op dinsdag 07-08-2018 om 01:14:57 There is a moron on Fox claiming I chain smoke cigarettes worrying about the President’s tweets. Don’t smoke cigarettes. Hate ‘me. Smoke only premium cigars and I hope this idiot is not a lawyer because if he is he should sue his Law School. reageer retweet
Rudy ! _O_
Weer een hersenloze onzin post van een demente has been
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Op dinsdag 7 augustus 2018 01:52 schreef Tijger_m het volgende:
Weer een hersenloze onzin post van een demente has been.
En Giuliani is ook niet helemaal tof in z'n bolletje.
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kylegriffin1 twitterde op dinsdag 07-08-2018 om 01:55:30 The AP found that 35.4% of Trump counties have shed jobs in the past year, compared with just 19.2% of Clinton counties. https://t.co/BdcimRDKBE reageer retweet
Jobs boom favors Democratic counties, not Trump strongholds

• The AP found that 35.4 percent of Trump counties have shed jobs in the past year, compared with just 19.2 percent of Clinton counties.

• As more money pools in such corporate hubs as Houston, San Francisco or Seattle, prosperity spills over less and less to smaller towns and cities in America’s interior.

• Yet the lack of transformative job growth in Trump areas hasn’t seemed to erode his support among Republicans, while hiring in Democratic areas have done little to improve his standing with those voters.

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The United States is on pace to add about 2.6 million jobs this year under President Donald Trump's watch. Yet the bulk of the hiring has occurred in bastions of Democratic voters rather than in the Republican counties that put Trump in the White House.

On average for the year-ended this May, 58.5 percent of the job gains were in counties that backed Democrat Hillary Clinton in 2016, according to an Associated Press analysis of monthly government jobs data by county.

Despite an otherwise robust national economy, the analysis shows that a striking number of Trump counties are losing jobs. The AP found that 35.4 percent of Trump counties have shed jobs in the past year, compared with just 19.2 percent of Clinton counties.

The jobs data shows an economy that is as fractured as the political landscape ahead of the 2018 midterm elections. As more money pools in such corporate hubs as Houston, San Francisco or Seattle, prosperity spills over less and less to smaller towns and cities in America's interior. That would seem to undercut what Trump sees as a central accomplishment of his administration — job creation for middle class and blue-collar workers in towns far removed from bustling urban centers.

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“The fundamental cause of the trouble in the modern world today is that the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt.”— Bertrand Russell
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Rapport bevestigt wat mensen met gezond verstand al lang wisten:

Gov't report warns Trump's wall may bust the budget, face delays, won't work as planned

The GAO study found that the Department of Homeland Security has not done the necessary cost estimates to develop future budget requests.

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As a businessman, Donald Trump boasted of finishing buildings "under budget" and "ahead of schedule."

But when it comes to the president's most coveted construction project — the long-promised border wall — a government report Monday warned that the Department of Homeland Security risks blowing through its budget, not meeting key deadlines and that it may not work as planned.

The report by the Government Accountability Office, an internal government watchdog agency, found that DHS has not provided a complete analysis required to efficiently build the proposed barrier along the Mexico border — which could result in wasted taxpayer money.

"DHS plans to spend billions of dollars developing and deploying new barriers along the southwest border," the study said. "However, by proceeding without key information on cost, acquisition baselines, and the contributions of previous barrier and technology deployments, DHS faces an increased risk that the Border Wall System Program will cost more than projected, take longer than planned, or not fully perform as expected."

"Without assessing costs when prioritizing locations for future barriers, CBP (Customs and Border Protection) does not have complete information to determine whether it is using its limited resources in the most cost-effective manner and does not have important cost information that would help it develop future budget requests," the report continued.

The GAO's did not estimate how much money could be wasted.

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“The fundamental cause of the trouble in the modern world today is that the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt.”— Bertrand Russell
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En soms is het ook best wel amusant :@




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“The fundamental cause of the trouble in the modern world today is that the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt.”— Bertrand Russell
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0s.gif Op maandag 6 augustus 2018 12:38 schreef Ulx het volgende:
Data shows a surprising campus free speech problem: left-wingers being fired for their opinions

Dit is ook wel een aardige. Men heeft een keertje onderzocht of de rechtsen nu echt zo onderdrukt worden. Maar dat lijkt dus niet het geval.

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Ik heb even het artikel doorgenomen, alsmede de verdere verwijzingen, en dan krijg ik een wat genuanceerder beeld. Sowieso zijn dit soort claims heel moeilijk hard te maken, vanwege de nogal vage omschrijving, en het hoge subjectieve karakter.

Quote uit een gelinkt artikel op Medium https://medium.com/inform(...)ame-few-bda3105ad347:
Some disclaimers are warranted here: The selection of incidents documented on the Free Speech Tracker is by no means comprehensive and never will be. The results thus far are anecdotal, and despite efforts to avoid it, there could be a selection bias in the incidents chosen. And the classification of people whose expression is compromised as being on the “right” or the “left” may well be subjective and arbitrary.

Dan het "onderzoek" naar professoren die ontslagen zijn vanwege politieke voorkeur (ook al een erg schimmig en lastig te bepalen fenomeen) https://niskanencenter.or(...)ook-at-the-evidence/:
In het commentaar komt dezelfde strekking terug:
Concerning the firings of professors over speech all I can say is "Oh c'mon." First of all you make no attempt to figure out from what perspective "liberal" thought was being targeted. The only dimension you add is whether an institution was "religious" or not, religion being a stand-in for right of center thinking (a dubious contention for almost any Catholic institution for example). That is nonsense since many of the "liberal" firings were targeted by those espousing a further leftist worldview.

Also, in regards to the imbalance of left of center vs right of center voices on campus, you make it sound like there is a handful more left of center professors. That is simply dishonest. Even by the modest numbers of conservatives removed from campus in 2015 and 2016 represent an actual purge given their scarcity. If we were actually seeing a random distribution of firing results the 2017 numbers would seem more in line with the ideological distribution.

Additionally this report largely ignores the greatest threat to Free Speech on campus which arises not from the attitudes of students or from ideologically motivated faculty, but from university administrators. I'm not sure why they get a pass.


De laatste paragraaf is een nogal onderschat punt. Wanneer ik naar de excessen (je kunt dat géén incident meer noemen) kijk bij Evergreen college, dan is dat een duidelijke illustratie van wat er op bepaalde instituten mis is. Ik heb nog géén enkel geval gezien wat ook maar in de buurt komt van Evergreen, waarbij rechts de "boosdoener" is.

Dus samengevat:
- De verhouding tussen mensen met een "linkse" of "rechtse" achtergrond is niet gelijk, en daarvoor wordt niet gecorrigeerd.
- Waarom mensen ontslagen zijn is niet duidelijk genoeg omschreven. Gezien de nare gewoonte van regressief links om iedereen, die het niet met ze eens is, aan te vallen, is de kans groot dat ook "linkse" mensen zijn ontslagen, omdat ze niet "links" genoeg zijn. Ik denk bijvoorbeeld aan Bret Weinstein in de Evergreen affaire in deze.
- Er wordt géén duidelijk onderscheid gemaakt in de aard en intensiteit van de "incidenten". In welke gevallen gaat het om vermeende Twitter bedreigingen, versus daadwerkelijk fysiek geweld.
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Ik heb even het artikel doorgenomen, alsmede de verdere verwijzingen, en dan krijg ik een wat genuanceerder beeld. Sowieso zijn dit soort claims heel moeilijk hard te maken, vanwege de nogal vage omschrijving, en het hoge subjectieve karakter.

Quote uit een gelinkt artikel op Medium https://medium.com/inform(...)ame-few-bda3105ad347:
Some disclaimers are warranted here: The selection of incidents documented on the Free Speech Tracker is by no means comprehensive and never will be. The results thus far are anecdotal, and despite efforts to avoid it, there could be a selection bias in the incidents chosen. And the classification of people whose expression is compromised as being on the “right” or the “left” may well be subjective and arbitrary.

Dan het "onderzoek" naar professoren die ontslagen zijn vanwege politieke voorkeur (ook al een erg schimmig en lastig te bepalen fenomeen) https://niskanencenter.or(...)ook-at-the-evidence/:
In het commentaar komt dezelfde strekking terug:
Concerning the firings of professors over speech all I can say is "Oh c'mon." First of all you make no attempt to figure out from what perspective "liberal" thought was being targeted. The only dimension you add is whether an institution was "religious" or not, religion being a stand-in for right of center thinking (a dubious contention for almost any Catholic institution for example). That is nonsense since many of the "liberal" firings were targeted by those espousing a further leftist worldview.

Also, in regards to the imbalance of left of center vs right of center voices on campus, you make it sound like there is a handful more left of center professors. That is simply dishonest. Even by the modest numbers of conservatives removed from campus in 2015 and 2016 represent an actual purge given their scarcity. If we were actually seeing a random distribution of firing results the 2017 numbers would seem more in line with the ideological distribution.

Additionally this report largely ignores the greatest threat to Free Speech on campus which arises not from the attitudes of students or from ideologically motivated faculty, but from university administrators. I'm not sure why they get a pass.


De laatste paragraaf is een nogal onderschat punt. Wanneer ik naar de excessen (je kunt dat géén incident meer noemen) kijk bij Evergreen college, dan is dat een duidelijke illustratie van wat er op bepaalde instituten mis is. Ik heb nog géén enkel geval gezien wat ook maar in de buurt komt van Evergreen, waarbij rechts de "boosdoener" is.

Dus samengevat:
- De verhouding tussen mensen met een "linkse" of "rechtse" achtergrond is niet gelijk, en daarvoor wordt niet gecorrigeerd.
- Waarom mensen ontslagen zijn is niet duidelijk genoeg omschreven. Gezien de nare gewoonte van regressief links om iedereen, die het niet met ze eens is, aan te vallen, is de kans groot dat ook "linkse" mensen zijn ontslagen, omdat ze niet "links" genoeg zijn. Ik denk bijvoorbeeld aan Bret Weinstein in de Evergreen affaire in deze.
- Er wordt géén duidelijk onderscheid gemaakt in de aard en intensiteit van de "incidenten". In welke gevallen gaat het om vermeende Twitter bedreigingen, versus daadwerkelijk fysiek geweld.
Het komt je niet goed uit?
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1s.gif Op dinsdag 7 augustus 2018 09:46 schreef Ulx het volgende:

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Het komt je niet goed uit?
Ik heb de moeite gedaan om het artikel en verdere links door te nemen, en je hebt géén beter argument dan dit? Leg mij even uit of er überhaupt iets is wat in de buurt komt van wat er in Evergreen heeft plaatsgevonden. Ik wil best meegaan in de strekking van het artikel, maar dit broddelwerk is bepaald niet overtuigend.
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Ik neem het onderzoek en de conclusie maar even voor waar aan tot een ander onderzoek het tegengestelde weet te bewijzen.
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https://edition-m.cnn.com(...)ne-his-son-dantonio/

Aardig stuk over Trump die gewoon zijn zoon (en schoonzoon) voor de bus gooide.
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10s.gif Op dinsdag 7 augustus 2018 00:01 schreef Kijkertje het volgende:
Intussen is Trump voor de verandering maar weer eens aan een serie feitenloze propaganda tweets begonnen. :')
Hij krijgt ook antwoord, zal hem niet bevallen:
California fire officials swung back at President Donald Trump after he tweeted over the weekend that the state’s devastating wildfires have been exacerbated by a water shortage resulting from “bad environmental laws.”

Scott McLean, deputy chief of the California Department of Forestry and Fire Protection, told HuffPost on Monday that his state has “plenty of water to fight these wildfires.” He noted the lakes near the Carr and Mendocino Complex fires.

What’s driving these raging infernos, McLean said, is a crisis that Trump has in the past dismissed as “bullshit” and a Chinese hoax.

“It is our changing climate that is leading to more severe and destructive fires,” McLean said.

In a Sunday tweet, Trump had pointed his finger at environmental protections and, possibly, a lack of logging. The fires, he said, are “being magnified” because California has “diverted” a “massive amount” of water to the Pacific Ocean.
https://www.huffingtonpos(...)engmodushpmg00000004
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Trump's oplossing voor bosbrand: kap alle bomen om.

Simpleton.
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0s.gif Op dinsdag 7 augustus 2018 10:18 schreef Ulx het volgende:
Ik neem het onderzoek en de conclusie maar even voor waar aan tot een ander onderzoek het tegengestelde weet te bewijzen.
Volgens mij is het gewoon gefundeerde kritiek van Drex, dat verdient een beter antwoord dan een jij-bak. Hou de discussie inhoudelijk en maak het niet persoonlijk.
Choking on those tossed salads and scrambled eggs
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7s.gif Op dinsdag 7 augustus 2018 11:55 schreef Euribob het volgende:

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Volgens mij is het gewoon gefundeerde kritiek van Drex, dat verdient een beter antwoord dan een jij-bak. Hou de discussie inhoudelijk en maak het niet persoonlijk.
Hardstikke leuk voor je.
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0s.gif Op dinsdag 7 augustus 2018 10:16 schreef Ulx het volgende:
Jij weet het in een paar uurtjes lezen beter dan wat onderzoekers?
Als dit wetenschappelijk onderzoek zou zijn op het gebied van een "harde" wetenschap, dan zou je een punt hebben. Maar dat is niet waar we het hier over hebben. De "onderzoekers" geven zelf al enige vormen van voorbehoud aan (dat is wel netjes trouwens). Dat is een goed uitgangspunt voor discussie lijkt me.

Mijn voornaamste discussiepunt is wat men als incident beschouwt. Is dat geweld, "microagressions", tweets die mensen niet kunnen bekoren; waar ligt de grens? De "incidenten" die breed uit werden gemeten in de pers, waarbij geweld werd gebruikt, waren duidelijk aan één extreme kant van het spectrum te vinden.
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