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Breaking911 twitterde op vrijdag 20-04-2018 om 17:50:14 The Democratic Party filed a federal lawsuit alleging a conspiracy by the Trump campaign, Russia and WikiLeaks to disrupt the 2016 presidential election. - Fox News reageer retweet
thehill twitterde op vrijdag 20-04-2018 om 18:04:04 JUST IN: Russia: Trump invited Putin to the White House https://t.co/Be0NwwT0OW https://t.co/muxtFzvegS reageer retweet
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  Moderator vrijdag 20 april 2018 @ 18:22:21 #132
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Breaking911 twitterde op vrijdag 20-04-2018 om 17:50:14 The Democratic Party filed a federal lawsuit alleging a conspiracy by the Trump campaign, Russia and WikiLeaks to disrupt the 2016 presidential election. - Fox News reageer retweet
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Voor degenen die net als Nintex willen lachen om de hoeveelheid shit waarin de republikeinen zitten, hier is het hele document: https://www.lawfareblog.c(...)lection-interference
In some matters there's no reality, only perception. Truth exists, but people have a vested interest in not knowing it.
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Wat is die jongen weer inhoudsloos aan het trollen. :')

Maar even weer een beetje niveau in het topic met een aardige analyse van de positie van Gorsuch in twee recente SC zaken:
https://www.theatlantic.c(...)cessful-week/558488/
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  vrijdag 20 april 2018 @ 20:54:00 #134
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Had eigenlijk wel meer reactie hierop hier verwacht?!

Anyway, hoewel het natuurlijk ook wel te lezen is in de stukkken... de aangeklaagden:

- The Russian Federation
- General staff of the armed forces of the Russian Federation ("GRU")
- GRU operative using pseudonym "Guccifer 2.0"
- Aras Iskenerovich Agalarov
- Emin Araz Agalarov
- Joseph Mifsud
- Wikileaks
- Julian Assange
- Donald J. Trump For President, Inc.
- Donald J. Trump, Jr.
- Paul J. Manafort, Jr.
- Roger J. Stone, Jr.
- Jared C. Kushner
- George Papadopoulos
- Richard W. Gates, III
- John Does 1-10

Wat zaken die ik me dan als leek afvraag: hoezo geen Trump zelf? Wie zouden John Does 1-10 zijn?
  vrijdag 20 april 2018 @ 20:59:41 #135
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De hack bracht al hun interne communicatie naar buiten, nu kunnen ze het Trump kamp hetzelfde aandoen. Met het discovery process kunnen ze veel meer te weten komen en openbaar maken dan wat Mueller's onderzoek zal opleveren.
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Under the law of the United States, civil discovery is wide-ranging and may seek disclosure of information that is reasonably calculated to lead to the discovery of admissible evidence.[4] This is a much broader standard than relevance, because it contemplates the exploration of evidence which might be relevant, rather than evidence which is truly relevant.
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Wat zaken die ik me dan als leek afvraag: hoezo geen Trump zelf?
Ik vermoed omdat er nog geen bewijs is dat Trump persoonlijk betrokken was. Je zou hem alleen maar de kans geven om dat te zeggen, maakt je zaak niet sterker. Daarnaast kom je dan in de sfeer van presidentiële immuniteit, al kan Trump daar geen beroep op doen voor zaken van voor hij president was.
  vrijdag 20 april 2018 @ 21:04:06 #137
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Ik vermoed omdat er nog geen bewijs is dat Trump persoonlijk betrokken was. Je zou hem alleen maar de kans geven om dat te zeggen, maakt je zaak niet sterker. Daarnaast kom je dan in de sfeer van presidentiële immuniteit, al kan Trump daar geen beroep op doen voor zaken van voor hij president was.
Ja, op zich wel logisch eigenlijk ... je kunt moeilijk random mensen gaan aanklagen en om Trump zelf aan te klagen zonder dat je bewijs hebt dat hij onderdeel uitmaakte van de samenzwering zou potentieel een PR fiasco zijn.
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Ja, op zich wel logisch eigenlijk ... je kunt moeilijk random mensen gaan aanklagen en om Trump zelf aan te klagen zonder dat je bewijs hebt dat hij onderdeel uitmaakte van de samenzwering zou potentieel een PR fiasco zijn.
Bovendien kan ik me nog voorstellen dat een aanklacht tegen de Trump org. indirect toch wel Trump raakt. Als je eenmaal hebt aangetoond dat de organisatie en haar medewerkers iets fout deden, is het voor de grote baas lastig te beweren dat hij er niets van wist.

Neem het met een korrel zout hoor, ik weet niet of dit echt gaande is.
  vrijdag 20 april 2018 @ 21:07:22 #139
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De hack bracht al hun interne communicatie naar buiten, nu kunnen ze het Trump kamp hetzelfde aandoen. Met het discovery process kunnen ze veel meer te weten komen en openbaar maken dan wat Mueller's onderzoek zal opleveren.

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Ja, dat gaat een groot mediafeest worden. Enig idee wat nu de procedure gaat zijn en met wat voor termijn discovery zou gaan beginnen?
  vrijdag 20 april 2018 @ 21:52:47 #140
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Voor degenen die net als Nintex willen lachen om de hoeveelheid shit waarin de republikeinen zitten, hier is het hele document: https://www.lawfareblog.c(...)lection-interference
Hoeveel shit, en wat is de kans van slagen? Ik lees verder niet in die link, of kijk ik verkeerd?
Géén kloon van tvlxd!
  vrijdag 20 april 2018 @ 21:54:00 #141
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Artikel uit WaPo uit 1972:

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O'Brien Sues GOP Campaign
Lays Blame For Bugging on White House

By Bob Woodward
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, June 21, 1972; Page A01

Democratic National Chairman Lawrence F. O'Brien, apparently seizing on the break-in and attempted bugging of party headquarters here as a major campaign issue, attempted yesterday to lay responsibility for the incident at the door of the White House.

He said there is "a developing clear line to the white House," and cited what he called the "potential involvement" of special counsel to the President, Charles Colson.

O'Brien made his remarks as the Democratic National Committee filed a $l million suit in U.S. District Court here against the Committee for the re-election of the President, whose chief security agent was one of five men arrested at the break-in at 2:30 a.m. on Saturday.

President Nixon's campaign chairman, former Attorney General John N. Mitchell, again deplored the bugging incident, denied any party responsibility for it and called the law suit "another example of sheer demagoguery on the part of Mr. O'Brien."

In other developments yesterday:

• White House consultant and former CIA employee Howard E. Hunt, whose name was found in two of the suspects' address books, was reported to be a "good friend" of the suspects' first attorney, Douglas Caddy.
• Federal sources close to the investigation said that a diagram that could have been used in a past or future bugging attempt on Miami Beach headquarters on Sen. George S. McGovern was found among the suspects' belongings.
• Sources in the FBI said that agents were ordered to question Hunt yesterday, but the sources were unable to indicate if Hunt had been reached. This was the first indication that the government thought Hunt might have some information about the bugging.

Sen. William Proxmire (D-Wis.) charged yesterday that the Federal Reserve Board "ducked, misled, hid out, avoided calls" and gave him "the idiot treatment" in connection with his request that the board produce the name of the bank involved in issuing 58 $l00 bills seized from the five suspects.

Proxmire, ranking Democratic member of the Senate Banking Committee, said that the board's failure to act "suggests they have something to hide."

Banks are required to record details of any transaction involving sums over 5,000 or large federal reserve notes.

O'Brien charged that Mitchell attempted to make it appear that former CIA employee James W. McCord Jr., the security agent who was arrested Saturday, had ended his employment with the Nixon committee some months ago.

Until Monday McCord was the salaried security chief for the committee. Mitchell's first statement Sunday on McCord's employment with the committee was that McCord was employed months ago.

"We know that as of the moment of his arrest at gunpoint just l0 feet from where I now stand, Mr. McCord was in the pay of the Committee for the Re-election of the President," O'Brien said.

"If John Mitchell's reflex attempt to conceal that fact is any signal of what is to come from the Republican Party and administration, I fear we shall be long in getting at the truth."

O'Brien went on to call the incident a "cheap cloak-and-dagger intrigue at the national political level. We learned of this bugging attempt only because it was bungled. How many other attempts have there been? And just who was involved?"

He said the lawsuit was an attempt to force the issue into examination by the court. A Democratic spokesman said court hearings on the matter could begin in "the near future."

"I believe we are about to witness the ultimate test of this administration that so piously committed itself to a new era of law and order just four years ago." O'Brien said.

In a prepared statement, Mitchell called O'Brien's suit a "political stunt."

"This committee did not authorize and does not condone the alleged actions of the five men apprehended Saturday morning. We abhor such activity.

"The Committee for the Re-election of the President is not legally, morally or ethically accountable for actions taken without its knowledge and beyond the scope of its control." Mitchell said.

In yesterday's editions, The Post reported the existence of Hunt's name in the suspects' address books and that he functioned at the White House as an assistant to Colson.

A White House aide confirmed that Colson, who is said to handle delicate assignments for the president, was the man who brought hunt to the White House. The aide, who said Hunt was hired because of his CIA expertise, said Hunt worked on declassifying the Pentagon Papers and, most recently, on narcotics intelligence.

He said Hunt last worked for the White House on March 20.

Presidential spokesman Ronald Ziegler said yesterday morning, "I talked to Mr. Colson after reading The Washington Post story this morning, and he made it clear that he is in no way involved with this matter..." Later Ziegler told reporters that he was finished with any comment on the subject.:

Federal sources close to the bugging investigation said two large ballrooms scheduled to be used as Miami headquarters for McGovern during the Democratic Convention were diagrammed in another address book taken by authorities from the suspects' belongings.

The rough diagram, a sketch, shows the Regency and Mediterranean rooms at the Doral Hotel on the Ocean in Miami.

It also denotes the location of two emergency exits from the rooms. The word "May" was written by the diagram, apparently a reference to the month, the sources said.

Asked about the diagram yesterday, McGovern's convention coordinator, Owen Donley, confirmed that the rooms have been slated for use by McGovern convention staff since January.

Donley said one room would be used by the news media and the other for staff or delegate caucuses.

"If they wanted to bug the two rooms, it wouldn't bother anyone anyway. They are both public rooms in the hotel. We will hold staff caucuses there, but they will be mass meetings. There wouldn't be anything said there that wouldn't be said out on the street."

Donley said the McGovern campaign staff was exploring various antibugging methods before the Democratic National headquarters incident.

"We didn't suddenly become paranoid. We were paranoid beforehand. That is just part of convention procedure," Donley said. He indicated that antibugging precautions would be taken at the headquarters in Miami.

Hunt, the White House consultant, has a full-time job in the public relations firm of Robert R. Mullen Co., l700 Pennsylvania Ave, NW, directly across from Nixon's re-election headquarters and the chief White House offices.

Yesterday, Robert E. Bennett, president of the Mullen firm, said that Hunt was a "good friend" of the suspects' first attorney, Caddy.

Hunt and Caddy once shared an office at the Mullen firm, according to Bennet. Caddy was not employed there but acted as liaison with General Foods Corp. where he was employed.

In Superior Court here Saturday when the five suspects appeared for arraignment, Caddy was secretive and stayed in the background, bringing in another attorney to represent the five men.

Shortly after 3 a.m. Saturday, Caddy told a reporter, he received a call from the wife of Bernard L. Baker, one of the five men arrested. "She said that her husband told her to call me if he hadn't called her by 3 a.m. that it might mean trouble," Caddy said.

Caddy said he had met Barker once, a year ago, and that they had had a "sympathetic conversation."

Barker, who owns a real estate firm in Miami, has been active in anti-Castro activities and is reported to have played a role in the Bay of Pigs invasion of Cuba in l961.

In addition to McCord and Barker, the other three suspects are: Frank Surges, also known as Frank Florini, an American who served in Fiddle Castor's revolutionary army and has since been a leader in the anti-Castro movement in Miami: Virgilio R. Gonzalez, a locksmith; and Eugenio R. Martinez, a real estate salesman for Barker.

McCord was still being held in D.C. jail yesterday on $30,000 bond. The other four were being held there on $50,000 bond. All are charged with attempted burglary and attempted interception of telephone and other communication.

Their attorney, Joseph A. Rafferty Jr., filed a motion yesterday seeking a reduction on the bond.

Meanwhile, yesterday Sen. Bob Dole, head of the Republican National Committee, denied as totally false reports that the Republicans had urged Spanish community leaders and other Republicans not to discuss the bugging incident with anyone.
  vrijdag 20 april 2018 @ 21:55:41 #142
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Hoeveel shit, en wat is de kans van slagen? Ik lees verder niet in die link, of kijk ik verkeerd?
Staat verder niks idd .. hier wel een WaPo artikel erover: Democratic Party files lawsuit alleging Russia, the Trump campaign and WikiLeaks conspired to disrupt the 2016 campaign

Of NYTimes: Democratic Party Alleges Trump-Russia Conspiracy in New Lawsuit
  vrijdag 20 april 2018 @ 22:02:41 #143
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Ja, dat gaat een groot mediafeest worden. Enig idee wat nu de procedure gaat zijn en met wat voor termijn discovery zou gaan beginnen?
Zal van de rechter afhangen of het zover komt. Geen idee hoe lang dat kan duren, ik zou verwachten dat de DNC daar rekening mee gehouden heeft toen ze het moment kozen om dit in te dienen... Wanneer zou het voor hen optimaal zijn?
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The DNC may well be hoping to use this new suit to surface more evidence of this, should it proceed to the discovery stage — but as of now, they don’t have the goods on any Trumpworld involvement with the hack and leak that damaged Democrats specifically. (Special counsel Robert Mueller is, of course, continuing to investigate the matter.)
https://www.vox.com/2018/(...)tions-hacking-emails
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Mr. Perez firmly denied that the lawsuit had a political purpose, but he appeared to allude at points to the possibility that civil litigation might bring to light damaging information about Mr. Trump and his associates.

The complaint is largely based on information that has previously been disclosed in news reports and subsequent court proceedings. But if the lawsuit proceeds, the president and his campaign aides could be forced to disclose documents and submit to depositions that require them to answer questions under oath.

To reach the discovery stage, lawsuits have to survive any motion to dismiss the litigation by the defendants.

Mr. Perez suggested, for instance, that Mr. Trump’s tax returns would reveal “shady conduct” if they were ever made public. Asked if part of the lawsuit’s aim was to force such disclosures, Mr. Perez demurred: “I haven’t given that any thought.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2(...)a-trump-lawsuit.html
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@Extra Waskracht...alsof WH staffers nú de geschiedenis kennen!?

Goede duidelijke feitelijke opsomming van Bob Woodward. _O_
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Avenatti is positief

https://twitter.com/Micha(...)397193463087104?s=20

En

https://twitter.com/Micha(...)409361860362240?s=20

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Always a bad sign when the judge tells you that your motion has “gaping holes in it,” as the judge told the attys for MC and DJT this AM. I don’t know why they continue to hide what they know about the FBI raids. Time to come clean and let the chips fall where they may
  vrijdag 20 april 2018 @ 22:46:55 #146
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De oelewapper is weer wakker.

realDonaldTrump twitterde op vrijdag 20-04-2018 om 12:34:16 So General Michael Flynn’s life can be totally destroyed while Shadey James Comey can Leak and Lie and make lots of money from a third rate book (that should never have been written). Is that really the way life in America is supposed to work? I don’t think so! reageer retweet
Shadey?
Het grappige is dat dit juist the American dream is.
Het antwoord op de belangrijkste vraag van alle vragen? 42!
  vrijdag 20 april 2018 @ 23:03:09 #147
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Het grappige is dat dit juist the American dream is.
Dit volg ik niet helemaal... je denkt dat de American dream is zelf oneerlijk groot te worden en de kleintjes te verpulveren oid?
  vrijdag 20 april 2018 @ 23:05:45 #148
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Hoeveel extra GDP groei levert de tax bill zoals de vlag nu hangt nou eigenlijk op? Een overzicht:



Edit: groei naar GDP groei ... het is niet de enige metriek... helaas wel de belangrijkste.
  vrijdag 20 april 2018 @ 23:12:37 #149
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Dit volg ik niet helemaal... je denkt dat de American dream is zelf oneerlijk groot te worden en de kleintjes te verpulveren oid?
sorry, het ging mij meer om het stukje: "...making lots of money with a third rate book.Is that really the way life in America is supposed to work?"

Maar inderdaad het 'liegen' over het hoofd gezien. Al maakt dat vaak niet heel veel uit, het doel is uiteindelijk veel geld verdienen.
Het antwoord op de belangrijkste vraag van alle vragen? 42!
  vrijdag 20 april 2018 @ 23:17:51 #150
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sorry, het ging mij meer om het stukje: "...making lots of money with a third rate book.Is that really the way life in America is supposed to work?"

Maar inderdaad het 'liegen' over het hoofd gezien. Al maakt dat vaak niet heel veel uit, het doel is uiteindelijk veel geld verdienen.
Ik dacht dat de American dream neer kwam op kansen en eerlijkheid van het belonen van hard werken. Dus dat je van arme sloeber zou kunnen opwerken naar rijkaard; met name op basis van inspanning en inzicht ipv vals spelen.
  zaterdag 21 april 2018 @ 00:06:06 #151
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The Intercept, dus de lekkers zullen weldra wel opgepakt worden ... Anyway:
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TRUMP FUNDRAISER OFFERED RUSSIAN GAS COMPANY PLAN TO GET SANCTIONS LIFTED FOR $26 MILLION (The Intercept)

SHORTLY AFTER PRESIDENT Donald Trump was inaugurated last year, top Republican fundraiser Elliott Broidy offered Russian gas giant Novatek a $26 million lobbying plan aimed at removing the company from a U.S. sanctions list, according to documents obtained by The Intercept.

Broidy is a Trump associate who was deputy finance chair of the Republican National Committee until he resigned last week amid reports that he had agreed to pay $1.6 million to a former Playboy model with whom he had an affair. But in February 2017, when he laid out his lobbying proposal for Novatek, he was acting as a well-connected businessman and longtime Republican donor in a bid to help the Russian company avoid sanctions imposed by the Obama administration. The 2014 sanctions were aimed at punishing Russia for annexing Crimea and supporting pro-Russia separatists in eastern Ukraine.

In February 2017, Broidy sent a draft of the plan by email to attorney Andrei Baev, then a Moscow- and London-based lawyer who represented major Russian energy companies for the firm Chadbourne & Parke LLP. Baev had already been communicating with Novatek about finding a way to lift U.S. sanctions.

Broidy proposed arranging meetings with key White House and congressional leaders and generating op-eds and other articles favorable to the Russian company, along with a full suite of lobbying activities to be undertaken by consultants brought on board. Yet even as he offered those services, Broidy was adamant that his company, Fieldcrest Advisors LLC, would not perform lobbying services but would hire others to do it. He suggested that parties to the deal sign a sweeping non-disclosure agreement that would shield their work from public scrutiny.

The plan is outlined in a series of emails and other documents obtained by The Intercept. Broidy and Baev did not dispute the authenticity of the exchanges but said the deal was never consummated.

SPOILER
Om spoilers te kunnen lezen moet je zijn ingelogd. Je moet je daarvoor eerst gratis Registreren. Ook kun je spoilers niet lezen als je een ban hebt.
Broidy, die RNC finance pipo in zeden-opspraak die afgetreden is, is ook hier weer terug te vinden ...
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Zojuist breaking Noord Korea stopt per direct met Nuleaire programma

BREAKING: North Korea says it will stop conducting nuclear tests and ICBM launches starting April 21 - state news agency KCNA https://t.co/R4BlSXqkBF

MORE: North Korea says it will abolish nuclear test site in northern area of country - state news agency KCNA

North Korea to "Open up" according to Kim's vision

[ Bericht 36% gewijzigd door Nintex op 21-04-2018 00:32:29 ]
  zaterdag 21 april 2018 @ 00:32:15 #153
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Ok, tof. Misschien kunnen we nu dan verder proberen onze kuststeden te beschermen van verdere zeespiegelstijging?
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Dat kan nadat mar-al-lago en bijliggend golf resort in de oceaan verdwijnt.
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Heeft Trump toch maar goed geregeld
  zaterdag 21 april 2018 @ 00:36:31 #156
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Heeft Trump toch maar goed geregeld
Wat heeft hij goed geregeld? Noord-Korea die een test stopzet en nog met ICBMs zit?
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Law & order lijkt niet heel populair op het moment:
https://www.theatlantic.c(...)er-attitudes/558425/
Volkorenbrood: "Geen quotes meer in jullie sigs gaarne."
  zaterdag 21 april 2018 @ 00:45:27 #158
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Sessions told White House that Rosenstein’s firing could prompt his departure, too

Attorney General Jeff Sessions recently told the White House he might have to leave his job if President Trump fired his deputy, Rod J. Rosenstein, who oversees the investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election, according to people familiar with the exchange.

Sessions made his position known in a phone call to White House counsel Donald McGahn last weekend, as Trump’s fury at Rosenstein peaked after the deputy attorney general approved the FBI’s raid April 9 on the president’s personal attorney Michael Cohen.

Sessions’s message to the White House, which has not previously been reported, underscores the political firestorm that Trump would invite should he attempt to remove the deputy attorney general. While Trump also has railed against Sessions at times, the protest resignation of an attorney general — which would be likely to incite other departures within the administration — would create a moment of profound crisis for the White House.

In the phone call with McGahn, Sessions wanted details of a meeting Trump and Rosenstein held at the White House on April 12, according to a person with knowledge of the call. Sessions expressed relief to learn that their meeting was largely cordial. Sessions said he would have had to consider leaving as the attorney general had Trump ousted Rosenstein, this person said.

Another person familiar with the exchange said Sessions did not intend to threaten the White House but rather wanted to convey the untenable position that Rosenstein’s firing would put him in.

A Justice Department spokeswoman declined to comment.

Rosenstein’s status remains uncertain, but the pressure he is facing seemed to subside after last week.

Last summer, when it appeared Trump was going to fire Sessions or pressure him to resign, Republican lawmakers and conservative advocacy groups rallied to Sessions’s side and warned the president not to move against him.

Trump had told senior officials last week that he was considering firing Rosenstein, who was confirmed by the Senate with overwhelming bipartisan support last year. Since then, alumni of the Justice Department have rallied to Rosenstein’s defense.

As of Friday afternoon, more than 800 former Justice Department employees had signed an open letter calling on Congress to “swiftly and forcefully respond to protect the founding principles of our Republic and the rule of law” if Trump were to fire the deputy attorney general, special counsel Robert S. Mueller III or other senior Justice Department officials. The group MoveOn.org has sought to organize nationwide protests if such an event were to occur.

Rosenstein, on behalf of the Justice Department, is set to argue a sentencing case, Chavez-Meza v. United States, before the Supreme Court on Monday. Appearing before the high court has long been a professional goal, people close to Rosenstein say.

A senior administration official said Sessions does not like the way Rosenstein has been treated by the president and had expressed such concerns for months. He has regularly sought guidance from the White House about Rosenstein’s standing with the president and asked about his interactions with Trump, this official said.

But Sessions has had little ability to do anything about it, given his own shaky standing with Trump for recusing himself from the Russia investigation, this official said. Trump has, at times, referred to Sessions as “Mr. Magoo” and Rosenstein as “Mr. Peepers,” a character from a 1950s sitcom, according to people with whom the president has spoken.

The relationship between Sessions and Rosenstein — and their staffs — has been strained at times over the first year of the Trump administration. But people familiar with Sessions’s thinking say that he has said several times that he would find it difficult to remain as attorney general if Trump fired for no good reason the veteran prosecutor in Baltimore that Sessions chose to be his deputy. The two men, along with Solicitor General Noel Francisco, were spotted in February dining together at a restaurant near the Justice Department, generating some speculation that they were attempting a display of solidarity.

Rosenstein, the Justice Department’s No. 2 official, is tasked with running the day-to-day operations of the sprawling agency of 113,000 employees who work for the FBI; the Drug Enforcement Administration; the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives; the Bureau of Prisons; U.S. attorneys offices; and Main Justice, the agency’s headquarters. But from the time he was confirmed in May of last year, the investigation into possible coordination during the 2016 presidential campaign between Trump associates and agents of the Russian government has overshadowed everything he has done.

James M. Trusty, a partner at Ifrah Law and a friend of Rosenstein’s, said the deputy attorney general “went into the job with a pretty fatalistic view,” but he “probably didn’t know it was going to be this much of a storm.”

“I remember him joking at his going-away party that nine months was the average tenure for the deputy attorney general,” Trusty said.

A wall of photographs outside Rosenstein’s fourth-floor office at the Justice Department illustrates the high-stress and political nature of the deputy attorney general’s position. President Barack Obama’s first deputy attorney general, David Ogden, stepped down from the job after less than a year. One of President Bill Clinton’s deputy attorneys general, Philip B. Heymann, lasted 10 months.

Trusty, who said he had spoken with Rosenstein about three weeks ago, said Rosenstein had kept his views on the situation largely private and had not sought surrogates or anyone else to press his case.

“I think he tends to view things in a very long-range way, kind of a this-too-shall-pass philosophy about the slings and arrows that will come at you,” Trusty said.

A month after Rosenstein became deputy attorney general, he was criticized for his role in the firing of FBI Director James B. Comey. Rosenstein authored a critical memo lambasting Comey for his handling of the Hillary Clinton email investigation, and the White House later used the document as a pretext to remove the FBI director. After a few days, though, Trump said he was thinking about the Russia investigation when he fired Comey. Comey has said in recent days he believed Rosenstein “acted dishonorably” and could not be trusted.

At that point, Rosenstein was overseeing the Russia investigation because Sessions had recused himself. On May 17, about a week after the Comey firing, Rosenstein announced that he had appointed Mueller as special counsel to conduct the Russia investigation.

Rosenstein took the action without first consulting Sessions and notified him when he was at the White House meeting with Trump. The decision took Trump by surprise and greatly angered him.

A person close to the White House and the Justice Department said Sessions has “vacillated, I think, from being concerned about the deputy leaving or being fired and recognizing that Rosenstein has not been a friend of either him or the department.”

During the past year, Rosenstein has been involved in several policy issues in the Justice Department, as well as complex prosecutions involving cybercrimes and the first charges against Chinese-based fentanyl manufacturers and distributors.

But Russia continues to consume his days. This week, two of Trump’s top legislative allies and leading members of the conservative House Freedom Caucus met with Rosenstein and pressed him for more documents about the conduct of law enforcement officials involved in the Russia probe. They warned him that he could face impeachment proceedings or an effort to hold him in contempt of Congress if he did not satisfy Republican demands for more documents.
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Die rechtszaak van de democraten, is dat niet gewoon een publiciteitsstunt? Wat hopen ze hiermee te gaan bereiken? Er is nog onvoldoende bewijs om een rechtszaak te winnen, toch?
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realDonaldTrump twitterde op zaterdag 21-04-2018 om 00:34:26 Just heard the Campaign was sued by the Obstructionist Democrats. This can be good news in that we will now counter for the DNC Server that they refused to give to the FBI, the Wendy Wasserman Schultz Servers and Documents held by the Pakistani mystery man and Clinton Emails. reageer retweet
Wendy :?
“The fundamental cause of the trouble in the modern world today is that the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt.”— Bertrand Russell
  zaterdag 21 april 2018 @ 01:02:56 #161
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Die rechtszaak van de democraten, is dat niet gewoon een publiciteitsstunt? Wat hopen ze hiermee te gaan bereiken? Er is nog onvoldoende bewijs om een rechtszaak te winnen, toch?
Ze willen net als de vorige keer, een schadevergoeding.
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Ze willen net als de vorige keer, een schadevergoeding.
Maar ze kunnen dat nog helemaal niet onderbouwen.. waarom gaan ze nu het onderzoek voor de voeten lopen? Ik vind het geen verstandige zet.
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realDonaldTrump twitterde op zaterdag 21-04-2018 om 00:34:26 Just heard the Campaign was sued by the Obstructionist Democrats. This can be good news in that we will now counter for the DNC Server that they refused to give to the FBI, the Wendy Wasserman Schultz Servers and Documents held by the Pakistani mystery man and Clinton Emails. reageer retweet
Wendy :?
Hij is dementerend hè. :')
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Trump admin announces abstinence-focused overhaul of teen pregnancy program

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The Trump administration will shift federal funding aimed at reducing teen pregnancy rates to programs that teach abstinence.

The Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) announced Friday the availability of grants through the Teen Pregnancy Prevention Program, (TPPP) a grant program created under former President Obama that funds organizations and programs working to reduce teen pregnancy rates.

Trump's HHS announced, however, that unlike under the Obama administration, grants will be geared toward organizations that teach abstinence education to teens instead of the comprehensive sex ed approach the previous administration supported.

One of the programs uses a "sexual risk reduction model," which is designed to reduce sexual risk behaviors.

The other program uses a "sexual risk avoidance model," which teaches teens to avoid sex completely.

"Projects will clearly communicate that teen sex is a risk behavior for both the physical consequences of pregnancy and sexual transmitted infections; as well as sociological, economic and other related risks," the funding announcement reads. "Both risk avoidance and risk reduction approaches can and should include skills associated with helping youth delay sex as well as skills to help those youth already engaged in sexual risk to return toward risk-free choices in the future."

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DeVos Education Dept. Begins Dismissing Civil Rights Cases in Name of Efficiency

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The Education Department’s Office for Civil Rights has begun dismissing hundreds of civil rights complaints under a new protocol that allows investigators to disregard cases that are part of serial filings or that they consider burdensome to the office.

Department officials said the new policy targeted advocates who flooded the office with thousands of complaints for similar violations, jamming its investigation pipeline with cases that could be resolved without exhausting staff and resources. But civil rights advocates worry that the office’s rejection of legitimate claims is the most obvious example to date of its diminishing role in enforcing civil rights laws in the nation’s schools.

Liz Hill, a spokeswoman for the Education Department, said the new provision was part of the office’s revision of its manual that lays out procedures for processing civil rights cases. The goal of the new manual, which took effect last month, is to help the office better manage its docket, investigations and resolutions, she said.

Among the changes implemented immediately is a provision that allows the Office for Civil Rights to dismiss cases that reflect “a pattern of complaints previously filed with O.C.R. by an individual or a group against multiple recipients,” or complaints “filed for the first time against multiple recipients that” place “an unreasonable burden on O.C.R.’s resources.”

So far, the provision has resulted in the dismissal of more than 500 disability rights complaints.

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Stormy Daniels’s former lawyer said to be cooperating with federal probe of Michael Cohen

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Keith Davidson, the former attorney for two women who were paid to keep quiet about their alleged affairs with Donald Trump, has been contacted by federal authorities investigating Trump attorney Michael Cohen and is cooperating with them, a spokesman for Davidson confirmed.

Davidson was asked to provide “certain limited electronic information” for the probe led by prosecutors in the Southern District of New York, spokesman Dave Wedge said. “He has done so and will continue to cooperate to the fullest extent possible under the law,” Wedge said in a statement Friday.

Shortly before the 2016 election, Davidson negotiated a confidentiality agreement with Cohen under which porn star Stormy Daniels was paid $130,000.

Davidson also represented Karen McDougal, a Playboy centerfold, in the $150,000 agreement she struck in August 2016 with the National Enquirer’s parent company, American Media Inc., for the rights to her story. AMI never published the story.

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  zaterdag 21 april 2018 @ 04:30:53 #167
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Wat heeft hij goed geregeld? Noord-Korea die een test stopzet en nog met ICBMs zit?
Trump is impulsief, luistert niet naar z'n adviseurs, is gevoelig voor vleierij. Kim denkt misschien dat ie met Trump meer kan bereiken dan met een normale president. Kan me zelfs voorstellen dat Trump een betere relatie met Kim dan met Moon ontwikkelt: hij maakt zich meer druk over de handelsbalans dan over mensenrechten, de militaire aanwezigheid in Z Korea kost hem geld, en de Z Koreanen hebben een handelsoverschot tov de VS. N Korea daarentegen heeft economisch niets te betekenen, en als Trump bvb voedselhulp belooft in ruil voor ontwapening scoort ie meteen bij de Amerikaanse boeren...
are we infinite or am I alone
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Kim vindt de tests niet langer nodig maar is niet van plan om tot ontmanteling over te gaan.

North Korean Leader Says ‘We No Longer Need’ Nuclear or Missile Tests

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North Korea’s leader, Kim Jong-un, announced early Saturday that his country no longer needed to test nuclear weapons or long-range missiles and would close a nuclear test site.

“The nuclear test site has done its job,” Mr. Kim said in a statement carried by North Korea’s state media.

Mr. Kim’s announcement came just days before a scheduled summit meeting with President Moon Jae-in of South Korea; Mr. Kim is also planning to meet with President Trump soon. It was the second time in two days that he made what appeared to be a significant concession to the United States but in reality cemented the status quo. North Korea already had stopped testing its weapons.

Mr. Kim made no mention in his latest remarks of dismantling the nuclear weapons and long-range missiles North Korea has already built. On the contrary, he suggested he was going to keep them.

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realDonaldTrump twitterde op zaterdag 21-04-2018 om 05:13:07 James Comey illegally leaked classified documents to the press in order to generate a Special Council? Therefore, the Special Council was established based on an illegal act? Really, does everybody know what that means? reageer retweet
SethAbramson twitterde op zaterdag 21-04-2018 om 05:21:13 "Special Council"? No. No idea what that means.Unless it's when Steve Bannon and Erik Prince get together two weeks before the 2016 presidential election and, with your blessing, hatch a plot to peddle fake Clinton emails as part of a Breitbart domestic disinformation campaign. https://t.co/1Wttb4ELKU reageer retweet
“The fundamental cause of the trouble in the modern world today is that the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt.”— Bertrand Russell
  zaterdag 21 april 2018 @ 06:48:08 #170
65394 Montov
Dogmaticus Irritantus
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Was er een paar maanden geleden ook niet een incident waardoor de nucleaire installatie half ontploft was en daarmee onbruikbaar, dat NK nu hoopt te kunnen onderhandelen omdat ze toch al niet verder kunnen opbouwen van hun arsenaal?
Géén kloon van tvlxd!
  zaterdag 21 april 2018 @ 07:33:35 #171
70357 Hyperdude
#MakeLanciaGreatAgain
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Was er een paar maanden geleden ook niet een incident waardoor de nucleaire installatie half ontploft was en daarmee onbruikbaar, dat NK nu hoopt te kunnen onderhandelen omdat ze toch al niet verder kunnen opbouwen van hun arsenaal?
Deze:https://www.telegraph.co.(...)ite-leaves-200-dead/

October 2017.
Klinkt naar ultimatieve JB-actie ;)
How do we turn this world-class fuck-up into a world-class learning experience?
  zaterdag 21 april 2018 @ 08:21:33 #172
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Dirc die maelre
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De witte middelbare achterban vindt dit prachtig.
  zaterdag 21 april 2018 @ 09:40:49 #173
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Maar ze kunnen dat nog helemaal niet onderbouwen.. waarom gaan ze nu het onderzoek voor de voeten lopen? Ik vind het geen verstandige zet.
Hoe bedoel je? Is het niet een redenatie als: "De DNC is een organisatie die zaken wil bereiken... door de illegale diefstal van e-mails en de samenzwering in het verspreiden van deze e-mails zijn ze minder goed in staat geweest deze doelen te bereiken --> schade"?

Of het (on)verstandig is durf ik niet zo te zeggen. Perez gaf aan dat een aantal zaken ook tegen verjaring aan zouden zitten als ik me niet vergis... dus dat zou het nu wel soortement nodig maken.

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De witte middelbare achterban vindt dit prachtig.
Het is goedkoper dan gun control.

Als ik een amerikaanse teen zou zijn, neem ik niks aan van dit soort maatregelen, zolang de gun control niet is geregeld.
Al het (amerikaanse) nieuws volgen is toch ook een overbelaste dagtaak. -O-
Gister las ik dat scholieren en studenten alle vrijdagen 10 uur een walkout doen.
  zaterdag 21 april 2018 @ 10:06:04 #175
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Trump is impulsief, luistert niet naar z'n adviseurs, is gevoelig voor vleierij. Kim denkt misschien dat ie met Trump meer kan bereiken dan met een normale president. Kan me zelfs voorstellen dat Trump een betere relatie met Kim dan met Moon ontwikkelt: hij maakt zich meer druk over de handelsbalans dan over mensenrechten, de militaire aanwezigheid in Z Korea kost hem geld, en de Z Koreanen hebben een handelsoverschot tov de VS. N Korea daarentegen heeft economisch niets te betekenen, en als Trump bvb voedselhulp belooft in ruil voor ontwapening scoort ie meteen bij de Amerikaanse boeren...
Ik denk eerlijk gezegd dat Amerikaanse boeren het niet heel veel zullen interesseren wat bereikt zou worden in Noord Korea. De potentiële importheffingen van China zullen ze grosso modo meer geïnteresseerd in zijn lijkt me.
  zaterdag 21 april 2018 @ 10:41:12 #176
187810 Szura
Kijk eens aan!
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Een analyse van de optredens van Comey irt zijn besluit om wel de heropening van het Clinton-onderzoek te openbaren en niets te zeggen over het Trump-campagne/Rusland-onderzoek:

https://www.cnn.com/2018/(...)ror-lizza/index.html
Lekker zuipen, lekker dansen en daarna lekker neuken.
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...a new protocol that allows investigators to disregard cases that are part of serial filings or that they consider burdensome to the office.
Dit zinnetje alleen al... *ril* *bibber* :{
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...programs that teach abstinence.
Dat hoef je ze niet te leren, dat kunnen ze al.

Je kunt er beter voor zorgen dat er bv 's winters in Alaska ook nog andere dingen te doen zijn dan slapen, zuipen, vechten en neuken. :P

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Dit zinnetje alleen al... *ril* *bibber* :{

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Dat hoef je ze niet te leren, dat kunnen ze al.

Je kunt er beter voor zorgen dat er bv 's winters in Alaska ook nog andere dingen te doen zijn dan slapen, zuipen, vechten en neuken. :P
Niet iedereen daar is als de familie Palin hè? :P
Volkorenbrood: "Geen quotes meer in jullie sigs gaarne."
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kylegriffin1 twitterde op zaterdag 21-04-2018 om 01:00:10 Trump has, at times, referred to Sessions as “Mr. Magoo” and Rosenstein as “Mr. Peepers,” a character from a 1950s sitcom, people with whom the president has spoken tell WaPo. https://t.co/c2R8Y3cXbL reageer retweet
_O_ _O-
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Eigenlijk is het doodvermoeiend...geen dag zonder schandaal.
Pauper president en administratie.
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kylegriffin1 twitterde op zaterdag 21-04-2018 om 01:00:10 Trump has, at times, referred to Sessions as “Mr. Magoo” and Rosenstein as “Mr. Peepers,” a character from a 1950s sitcom, people with whom the president has spoken tell WaPo. https://t.co/c2R8Y3cXbL reageer retweet
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Wat een bruut getrol zeg. Iemand "Mr Magoo" noemen! Ha! Daar heeft hij mooi niet van terug. Wauw!
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De witte middelbare achterban vindt dit prachtig.
En terecht. Die kids moeten zich laten afschieten in plaats van neuken. Weet je plek.
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Dit zinnetje alleen al... *ril* *bibber* :{

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Dat hoef je ze niet te leren, dat kunnen ze al.

Je kunt er beter voor zorgen dat er bv 's winters in Alaska ook nog andere dingen te doen zijn dan slapen, zuipen, vechten en neuken. :P
Je zou toch denken dat pro-lifers voor seksuele voorlichting en anticonceptie zijn, zodat gezinnen gepland kunnen worden, en er kinderen worden gekregen wanneer die zeer gewenst zijn.
Ik begrijp dat slordige denken van die puriteinen niet...
And it's only the giving
That makes you
What you are
  zaterdag 21 april 2018 @ 14:32:39 #184
441090 crystal_meth
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Je zou toch denken dat pro-lifers voor seksuele voorlichting en anticonceptie zijn, zodat gezinnen gepland kunnen worden, en er kinderen worden gekregen wanneer die zeer gewenst zijn.
Ik begrijp dat slordige denken van die puriteinen niet...
Dat bevordert losbandig gedrag, een zonde.
are we infinite or am I alone
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Die rechtszaak van de democraten, is dat niet gewoon een publiciteitsstunt? Wat hopen ze hiermee te gaan bereiken? Er is nog onvoldoende bewijs om een rechtszaak te winnen, toch?
Het doel is om te zorgen dat een en ander goed wordt uitgezocht.

Strategisch denk ik dat ze beter met de toekomst bezig kunnen zijn dan met het verleden.
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Al het (amerikaanse) nieuws volgen is toch ook een overbelaste dagtaak. -O-

Gewoon Fox & Friends kijken. Dan weet je meteen het beleid voor de rest van de dag en soms zelfs de dag erop als Trump zijn geheugen een goede dag heeft.
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Toch zijn er volgens ultraconservatieve bronnen wel degelijk aanwijzingen dat abstinentietherapie helpt:


:o
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Toch zijn er volgens ultraconservatieve bronnen wel degelijk aanwijzingen dat abstinentietherapie helpt:

[ afbeelding ]
:o
:D
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Dat bevordert losbandig gedrag, een zonde.
Religie en vrouwvijandigheid... Tja, en dan krijg je dus dit soort zaken (artikel uit 2012):
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This week, the Virginia state Legislature passed a bill that would require women to have an ultrasound before they may have an abortion. Because the great majority of abortions occur during the first 12 weeks, that means most women will be forced to have a transvaginal procedure, in which a probe is inserted into the vagina, and then moved around until an ultrasound image is produced. Since a proposed amendment to the bill—a provision that would have had the patient consent to this bodily intrusion or allowed the physician to opt not to do the vaginal ultrasound—failed on 64-34 vote, the law provides that women seeking an abortion in Virginia will be forcibly penetrated for no medical reason. I am not the first person to note that under any other set of facts, that would constitute rape under the federal definition.*
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And it's only the giving
That makes you
What you are
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De vroegere advocaat van Daniels en McDougal werkt mee aan het onderzoek tegen Cohen. Ik ben benieuwd.

https://www.washingtonpos(...)c5a3da888_story.html


En Avenatti trollt weer lekker met dit nieuws.
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Religie en vrouwvijandigheid... Tja, en dan krijg je dus dit soort zaken (artikel uit 2012):

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Er worden allerlei vuile tactieken uit de kast getrokken. Vrouwen verplichten om een echo te ondergaan voor abortus is daar één van. Het doel is om de vrouw het kloppende hartje te laten zien etc zodat ze moreel bezwaard raakt om nog afstand te doen van het ongeboren kind.

John Oliver had er ook een interessant item over vorige week:

Echt weerzinwekkend.
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Er worden allerlei vuile tactieken uit de kast getrokken. Vrouwen verplichten om een echo te ondergaan voor abortus is daar één van. Het doel is om de vrouw het kloppende hartje te laten zien etc zodat ze moreel bezwaard raakt om nog afstand te doen van het ongeboren kind.

John Oliver had er ook een interessant item over vorige week:

Echt weerzinwekkend.
Inderdaad. Heb ik gezien, en ik heb er nog het een en ander over gelezen. Die CPC's hanteren leugens en bedrog om vrouwen ervan te weerhouden abortus te ondergaan.

Ik ben benieuwd of ze op het idee komen om de Magdalene Laundries te heropenen. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magdalene_asylum
And it's only the giving
That makes you
What you are
  zaterdag 21 april 2018 @ 15:12:26 #193
441090 crystal_meth
has new fav drug
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Religie en vrouwvijandigheid... Tja, en dan krijg je dus dit soort zaken (artikel uit 2012):

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Maarre:
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Herziene NVOG-richtlijn ‘Zwangerschapsafbreking tot 24 weken'

De intake kent drie onderdelen:
1.anamnese waarin een gesprek over de besluitvorming (paragraaf 1.a.), echoscopie van de
zwangerschap (paragraaf 1.b.) en laboratoriumonderzoek (paragraaf 1.c.), waaronder
bloedgroep/rhesus en seksueel overdraagbare aandoeningen.
2.informatie over de soorten procedures, inclusief de kans op complicaties.
3.bespreking van de nazorg. Het gesprek over procedure en nazorg vindt bij voorkeur plaats na verifiëring van de diagnose intacteintra-uteriene zwangerschap en de termijn

1.b. Echoscopisch onderzoek
•Voorafgaand aan de behandeling

Echoscopisch onderzoek heeft als doel een intra-uteriene graviditeit aan te tonen, de zwangerschapsduur te verifiëren en meerlingzwangerschap, mola, EUG of niet-intacte zwangerschap uit te sluiten. Het is belangrijk de vrouw te vragen of zij het echobeeld van haar zwangerschap wil zien. Het zien van de echobeelden in het eerste trimester wordt over het algemeen ervaren als positief en heeft nagenoeg geen invloed op de besluitvorming. Als zij het echobeeld niet wil zien, moet dit buiten haar gezichtsveld blijven. Bewaar wel een foto in het dossier; soms blijken vrouwen deze achteraf toch te willen zien (zie ook link naar NGvA richtlijn ‘begeleiding’

1.c. Laboratoriumonderzoek
•Bloedgroep/rhesus
Bij zwangerschapsafbrekingen dient de rhesusfactor bekend te zijn, behoudens bij vrouwen die een zwangerschapsafbreking voor 7 weken ondergaan.
http://nvog-documenten.nl(...)4%20weken%5B1%5D.pdf

De verplichte wachttijd van 5 dagen die in België en Nederland geldt wordt in de VS ook als een onaanvaardbare belemmering gezien.
are we infinite or am I alone
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Maarre:

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http://nvog-documenten.nl(...)4%20weken%5B1%5D.pdf

De verplichte wachttijd van 5 dagen die in België en Nederland geldt wordt in de VS ook als een onaanvaardbare belemmering gezien.
Tja, dat kan toch ook met een (externe) buikecho?
And it's only the giving
That makes you
What you are
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More "News of the Weak" ...

MUELLER SAYS THAT UNTIL YESTERDAY HE HAD ALMOST FORGOTTEN TO INVESTIGATE GIULIANI

WASHINGTON (The Borowitz Report)—The independent counsel, Robert Mueller, told reporters that, prior to news reports on Thursday, he had “almost forgotten” to investigate the former New York mayor Rudolph Giuliani.

“Like most Americans, I had totally forgotten about Rudy Giuliani’s existence,” he said. “But then when he popped up on the news I was, like, ‘Hold on—shouldn’t we be investigating him?’ ”

Mueller was at a loss to explain why he had failed to investigate Giuliani earlier. “I have no idea how it could have slipped my mind,” he said. “His role in Trump’s campaign was as fishy as all get-out.”

He said that other members of his team were “poking fun” at him for not deciding to investigate Giuliani before Thursday. “I mean, think about it: how do you do a criminal investigation of the Trump campaign and leave Rudy out of it?” he said. “I’ve got to say, I’m pretty darn embarrassed about the whole thing.”

When asked for an estimate of when the Russia inquiry might wrap up, Mueller responded, “I honestly can’t say. I was hoping to bring it to a close in the next month or two, but now that we’re also investigating Rudy Giuliani, God only knows how long it’ll take.”
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