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  Redactie Games vrijdag 7 juli 2017 @ 00:23:51 #201
436761 crew  Puddington
Ja, die nerd!
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Pence en Trump dromen groot en inspireren veel mensen.
Nou ja, hij inspireert me wel om nooit zo'n seniele oude zak te worden op die leeftijd, als je dat bedoelt...
Don't weep for the stupid, you'll be crying all day
  vrijdag 7 juli 2017 @ 00:40:37 #202
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Rick Perry offered a ‘little economics lesson.’ It didn’t go so well.

taykuy twitterde op donderdag 06-07-2017 om 18:24:57 DOE Rick Perry at coal plant:"Here’s a little economics lesson: supply and demand. You put the supply out there and the demand will follow." reageer retweet
_O- :')
“The fundamental cause of the trouble in the modern world today is that the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt.”— Bertrand Russell
  Moderator vrijdag 7 juli 2017 @ 00:41:38 #203
54278 crew  Tijger_m
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Rick Perry offered a ‘little economics lesson.’ It didn’t go so well.

taykuy twitterde op donderdag 06-07-2017 om 18:24:57 DOE Rick Perry at coal plant:"Here’s a little economics lesson: supply and demand. You put the supply out there and the demand will follow." reageer retweet
_O- :')
Ja, ja, da's de Republikeinse intelligentsia.
"The enemy isn't men, or women, it's bloody stupid people and no one has the right to be stupid." - Sir Terry Pratchett.
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Rick Perry is dan ook een soort van poor mans George W. Bush imitator.
  vrijdag 7 juli 2017 @ 01:20:31 #205
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Nog zo'n pareltje _O-

McConnell: If we can't repeal Obamacare, we'll fix it

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Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell said Thursday that if the chamber's fledgling Republican Obamacare repeal effort falls short, Congress will have to pass a more limited bill to shore up health insurance markets.

"If my side is unable to agree on an adequate replacement, then some kind of action with regard to the private health insurance market must occur," McConnell said at a Rotary Club luncheon in Glasgow, Ky., the Associated Press reported. "No action is not an alternative. ... We've got the insurance markets imploding all over the country, including in this state."

A bill to strengthen the insurance markets would presumably need Democratic support to get 60 votes to overcome a filibuster. McConnell in the past has warned fractious GOP lawmakers that if the Republican-only repeal effort failed, he would be forced to work with top Democrat Chuck Schumer on legislation that conservatives would likely oppose much more than the GOP repeal bill. He repeated that after a White House meeting with the president last week.

The remarks could be aimed at Senate conservatives who argue the bill doesn't repeal enough of the health care law and contend that Republican leaders are turning their back on their eight-year-old campaign pledge to do away with the Affordable Care Act. Sens. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) and Mike Lee (R-Utah) have proposed an amendment to allow insurance companies that sell Obamacare plans to also sell non-Obamacare plans, an idea that health care experts say would tank the markets.

Thursday's comments came after McConnell canceled a planned vote before the July Fourth recess on a repeal bill after it became clear it wouldn’t get support from 50 of the 52 Senate Republicans. McConnell and GOP leaders are redrafting their legislation with hopes of passing it before the August recess.

Several Republicans have come out against the Senate plan, including the conservatives. Moderate Republicans oppose it, too, arguing it would harm people with existing coverage or with pre-existing conditions.

Indeed, McConnell's remarks Thursday are a far cry from his own rhetoric. In his contentious 2014 reelection campaign, McConnell repeatedly promised that he and Republicans would repeal Obamacare "root and branch."

After McConnell raised the prospect of working on the insurance markets, his Democratic counterpart said he's ready to start talking.

“It’s encouraging that Sen. McConnell today acknowledged that the issues with the exchanges are fixable, and opened the door to bipartisan solutions to improve our health care system," Schumer said in a statement. "As we’ve said time and time again, Democrats are eager to work with Republicans to stabilize the markets and improve the law. At the top of the list should be ensuring cost-sharing payments are permanent, which will protect health care for millions.”
Hadden ze beter gelijk op het aanbod van de Democraten in kunnen gaan. Maar ja, al doende leert men en beter laat dan nooit zullen we maar zeggen :D
“The fundamental cause of the trouble in the modern world today is that the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt.”— Bertrand Russell
  Overall beste user 2022 vrijdag 7 juli 2017 @ 05:56:57 #206
3928 Ulx
you aint no punk you punk
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Wat een gezichtsverlies.
I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me.
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Wat, Mevr Merkel heeft een speech gehouden?
Sinds wanneer is anti-homohuwelijk Merkel de leider van de vrije wereld? :?
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Sinds wanneer is anti-homohuwelijk Merkel de leider van de vrije wereld? :?
Sinds Trump de complete wereld van zich aan het vervreemden is, met uitzondering van de leiders van S-A, Egypte, Polen en de Filipijnen.
Op maandag 3 februari 2014 08:10 schreef Enchanter het volgende:[/b]
In discussie gaan met Koos Vogels :') , een grotere mongool is er niet :r
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Het begint al met dingen als:
"There are threats but we will defeat them"

Mindset is heel belangrijk. Het eeuwige geleuter over 'crisis' werkt niet. Trump is met sheer force of will president geworden: "I'm going to win, we're going to win", "We're going to win this state!"

Dat is precies wat Churchill / Kennedy ook veelvuldig gebruikte. De boekhouders en bureaucraten zijn leuk, maar je wint er soms letterlijk geen oorlogen mee.

Obama trouwens net zo in zijn eerste campagne: "Yes we can!"
Zozo, Trump zegt dat er bedreigingen zijn maar dat we die zullen overwinnen.

Dat is echt Churchilliaanse en Rooseveltiaanse shizzle inderdaad.
Op maandag 3 februari 2014 08:10 schreef Enchanter het volgende:[/b]
In discussie gaan met Koos Vogels :') , een grotere mongool is er niet :r
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Welke oorlog heeft Kennedy trouwens gewonnen?
Hoeren neuken, nooit meer werken.
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Sinds Trump de complete wereld van zich aan het vervreemden is, met uitzondering van de leiders van S-A, Egypte, Polen en de Filipijnen.
Oh. Dus de keuze is enkel tussen Trump en Merkel?
:D

Erg apart dat liberalen en linksen de religieuze en discriminerende Merkel als leider van de vrije wereld zien. Hoe laag ze zijn gezakt de afgelopen decennia, puur en alleen om het multicultureel fabeltje in stand te houden. Migratiepolitiek lijkt echt de enige criteria te zijn om te bepalen of je "vrij" bent of niet. Al het andere kan in de stront zakken.
  vrijdag 7 juli 2017 @ 08:19:52 #212
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Laat maar lekker draaien
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De scheidslijn ligt denk ik eerder tussen gek en gezond van verstand, niet per se langs ideologische lijnen.
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Oh. Dus de keuze is enkel tussen Trump en Merkel?
:D

Erg apart dat liberalen en linksen de religieuze en discriminerende Merkel als leider van de vrije wereld zien. Hoe laag ze zijn gezakt de afgelopen decennia, puur en alleen om het multicultureel fabeltje in stand te houden. Migratiepolitiek lijkt echt de enige criteria te zijn om te bepalen of je "vrij" bent of niet. Al het andere kan in de stront zakken.
Aan de andere kant is het juist door Merkel gekomen dat het homohuwelijk nu wel geregeld is in Duitsland, ondanks haar tegenstem. Zij brak immers de tot dan toe gebruikelijke fractiedwang door aan te geven dat het een gewetenskwestie moest zijn voor de partijleden. Zonder de dissidenten uit het CDU was die wet er niet gekomen, en zonder Merkel waren die dissidenten er niet geweest.

Dat terzijde, uiteraard. De reden dat zij gezien wordt als 'leider' van de vrije wereld is dat het na Amerika zo'n beetje het meest invloedrijke land binnen de democratische wereld is, zeker binnen Europa, en dat zij zich ook nog altijd inzet voor een koers van samenwerking, tegenover het isolationisme van Trump.
Hoeren neuken, nooit meer werken.
  vrijdag 7 juli 2017 @ 08:23:47 #214
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The North Remembers
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Oh. Dus de keuze is enkel tussen Trump en Merkel?
Ja.
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Erg apart dat liberalen en linksen de religieuze en discriminerende Merkel als leider van de vrije wereld zien. Hoe laag ze zijn gezakt de afgelopen decennia, puur en alleen om het multicultureel fabeltje in stand te houden. Migratiepolitiek lijkt echt de enige criteria te zijn om te bepalen of je "vrij" bent of niet. Al het andere kan in de stront zakken.
Zie daar het verschil tussen een democratisch leider en een autoritair leider.

Het verschil tussen: "Ik ben er zelf geen voorstander van, maar als de meerderheid ervoor is zal ik me er naar schikken" en "Ik wil het niet, dus het gebeurd niet!"
"The north remembers, Lord Davos. The north remembers, and the mummer’s farce is almost done.”
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Oh. Dus de keuze is enkel tussen Trump en Merkel?
:D

Erg apart dat liberalen en linksen de religieuze en discriminerende Merkel als leider van de vrije wereld zien. Hoe laag ze zijn gezakt de afgelopen decennia, puur en alleen om het multicultureel fabeltje in stand te houden. Migratiepolitiek lijkt echt de enige criteria te zijn om te bepalen of je "vrij" bent of niet. Al het andere kan in de stront zakken.
Wie komt dan in aanmerking?

Macron? May? Rutte? Xi? Poetin?
Op maandag 3 februari 2014 08:10 schreef Enchanter het volgende:[/b]
In discussie gaan met Koos Vogels :') , een grotere mongool is er niet :r
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En nee Refregmental, met de migratiepolitiek heeft het niets te maken. Trump is druk bezig om zich te vervreemden van de traditionele bondgenoten (lees: West-Europa). Hij probeert keer op keer een wig te drijven tussen de EU-landen, waardoor de afstand nog groter wordt.

Niemand in de vrije wereld moet iets hebben van Trump. Daarom kijkt men naar Merkel.
Op maandag 3 februari 2014 08:10 schreef Enchanter het volgende:[/b]
In discussie gaan met Koos Vogels :') , een grotere mongool is er niet :r
  vrijdag 7 juli 2017 @ 09:06:25 #217
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Pleens treens en ottomobile
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Nou ja, hij inspireert me wel om nooit zo'n seniele oude zak te worden op die leeftijd, als je dat bedoelt...
:D
Mag ik je vandaag weer eens irriteren?
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Oh. Dus de keuze is enkel tussen Trump en Merkel?
:D

Erg apart dat liberalen en linksen de religieuze en discriminerende Merkel als leider van de vrije wereld zien. Hoe laag ze zijn gezakt de afgelopen decennia, puur en alleen om het multicultureel fabeltje in stand te houden. Migratiepolitiek lijkt echt de enige criteria te zijn om te bepalen of je "vrij" bent of niet. Al het andere kan in de stront zakken.
Ik vind het erg apart dat je je beklaagt dat anti-Trumpers op een hoop worden gegooid maar dat je zelf nu ook behoorlijk generaliseert.
Hint: Dat helpt de discussie niet. :N
  Overall beste user 2022 vrijdag 7 juli 2017 @ 10:35:44 #219
3928 Ulx
you aint no punk you punk
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Aardig stuk over waarom Trump de plank misslaat met zijn gelul over bijdragen aan een niet bestaand NATO-fonds.

http://www.politico.com/m(...)-trump-poland-215345

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As far as Trump’s bragging goes, the reality is that Germany and other nations have been increasing defense spending in recent years, but not because of anything Trump has said or done. The growing spending in Europe is a direct result of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine and the destabilizing and menacing policies it has adopted in the past five years, such as its own surge in defense spending; its revamping of conventional forces; its blatant violation of the 1987 INF Treaty by deploying a missile specifically banned by the treaty; its modernization of strategic nuclear forces on land and at sea; its dangerous intentional challenges to NATO operations at sea, on land and in the air; and, of course, its interference in democratic elections in the United States, France and others in Europe. It is this rising Russian threat across the board that led to increases in defense spending, and those increases started well before Trump even became a candidate for president.

The real danger on the horizon is that Trump’s diplomacy of brag and bash is starting to take a toll on U.S. long-term security, as these repeated assaults on allies during these past six months are weakening bonds of friendship and trust that took decades to build in countries like Germany and South Korea.

Trump officials might think disrupting the status quo is a political plus. But this disruption diplomacy has reached dangerous proportions, and it reflects a fundamental lack of knowledge about what makes the United States so powerful and gives that power long-term stability. American global leadership has been so successful these past 70 years because it is based on worldwide alliances that are voluntary, alliances that are more stable than the empires created by the United Kingdom or Rome because they are not based on invasion, colonization or bribery. One of the incalculable advantages the United States now has in power politics is a result of alliances and basing rights that allow U.S. forces to be deployed all over the world—a capability China and Russia can only imagine.
I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me.
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Sinds wanneer is anti-homohuwelijk Merkel de leider van de vrije wereld? :?
Ja, sinds wanneer? :?
“Integrity is doing the right thing, even when no one is watching.”
― C.S. Lewis
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Sinds Trump de complete wereld van zich aan het vervreemden is, met uitzondering van de leiders van S-A, Egypte, Polen en de Filipijnen.
En Israël :)
“Integrity is doing the right thing, even when no one is watching.”
― C.S. Lewis
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Ja, sinds wanneer? :?
Sinds wanneer niet? Vraag je eens af wat de term 'leader of the free world' inhoudt. Het is feitelijk die voorkomt uit de koude oorlog en doelt op Amerikaanse presidenten. Wat dat betreft was Obama eigenlijk de enige 'leader of the free world' die geen tegenstander was van het homohuwelijk. Of dacht je dat Reagan, de Bushes of Bill Clinton groot voorstander waren van het homohuwelijk?
Volkorenbrood: "Geen quotes meer in jullie sigs gaarne."
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En Israël :)
Niet bepaald 'de vrije wereld', in ieder geval.

Eerder een soort alternatieve As van het Kwaad.
Op maandag 3 februari 2014 08:10 schreef Enchanter het volgende:[/b]
In discussie gaan met Koos Vogels :') , een grotere mongool is er niet :r
  Redactie Games vrijdag 7 juli 2017 @ 10:53:40 #224
436761 crew  Puddington
Ja, die nerd!
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[ Bericht 100% gewijzigd door Puddington op 07-07-2017 10:57:16 ]
Don't weep for the stupid, you'll be crying all day
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The Republican Backlash Against Trump's Vote-Fraud Commission
GOP secretaries of state have pushed back on a request for voter data, and former Secretary of Homeland Security Michael Chertoff says it could endanger national security.

Republicans officials and officeholders were, for the most part, not pleased about the rise of Donald Trump as their party’s candidate, but they found themselves powerless to stop his winning the nomination and then the presidency.

Since Trump became president, however, Republicans have become some of his most effective antagonists, stymieing a range of efforts. House members defeated a first attempt at repealing Obamacare; a Senate bill to do the same is looking precarious. (Democrats, although unified in opposition, have played no real role.) Congress has pursued an investigation into Russian interference Trump dislikes, and may strengthen sanctions he wants to lift. And now Republicans are posing a serious challenge to Trump’s ballyhooed election-fraud commission.

But first, let’s back up a step. The board has always looked like a cynical ploy. Stung by his failure to win the popular vote, even as the electoral college gave him the presidency, Trump has insisted that there were 3 to 5 million votes cast by ineligible voters during the presidential election. This number seems to be based on wildly speculative figures produced by an activist named Gregg Phillips.

A clique of conservatives has been warning for years that elections are irreparably tainted by vote fraud, but repeated investigations have failed to turn up meaningful numbers of fraudulent votes. Meanwhile, the laws that many states have passed, requiring photo ID to vote, making it harder to register and vote, and other changes, have disproportionately made it harder for minorities as well as student and the elderly—all Democratic constituencies—to vote. Some federal courts have even ruled that disenfranchising minorities is the goal of such laws.

Caught making baseless claims, Trump announced he would impanel a commission to investigate voter fraud. (This is a favorite move for the president: When he was caught making a baseless claim that Barack Obama had surveilled him, he demanded that intelligence agencies and Congress investigate his flight of fancy, then said the truth would only come out once those inquiries were completed.) The de facto leader of the commission is Kris Kobach, the Kansas secretary of state and one of the most outspoken and successful proponents of the claim of widespread voter fraud.

At the end of June, Kobach made his first big move, requesting all publicly available voter data from the states, including names, addresses, voting history, party affiliation, felony convictions, and the last four digits of Social Security numbers. That’s in keeping with Kobach’s Interstate Voter Registration Crosscheck Program, which has sought to create a database of registered voters across the entire country.

Unsurprisingly, several Democratic state secretaries of state (or their equivalents) immediately rejected the request. More interesting was the response by Republicans officials at the state level. A number of them have also rejected the request either in part or in full, citing taxpayer costs, privacy intrusions, or the fact that they doubt Kobach’s request can do much to stop fraud.

The most colorful response came from Mississippi Secretary of State Delbert Hosemann, a Republican.

“My reply would be: They can go jump in the Gulf of Mexico and Mississippi is a great State to launch from,” he said in a statement. “Mississippi residents should celebrate Independence Day and our State’s right to protect the privacy of our citizens by conducting our own electoral processes.”

Other officials said that they were not legally permitted to disclose the data the commission requested. Maryland Secretary of State Luis Borunda, a member of the commission, resigned from the group without explanation. Ari Berman, a progressive journalist who covers voting issues closely, found that 45 states had rejected the request in part or in full.

That prompted a sharp statement from Kobach, issued through the White House press office, on Wednesday:
"In all, 36 states have either agreed or are considering participating with the Commission's work to ensure the integrity of the American electoral system. While there are news reports that 44 states have "refused" to provide voter information to the Commission, these reports are patently false, more "fake news". At present, only 14 states and the District of Columbia have refused the Commission's request for publicly available voter information."

Kobach has a point, as far as it goes: Some states have agreed to provide that portion of the information that Kobach requested which is actually publicly available. But then again, that information is already publicly available. North Carolina’s elections board, for example, made clear that it was releasing information because it was legally obligated to do so, and added that everything it was releasing was already available on its website. (In a moment of unintentional humor, Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach had to inform election-panel co-chair Kris Kobach that this state would not hand over Social Security numbers.)

Meanwhile, Michael Chertoff, a Republican who served as secretary of homeland security in the Bush administration, wrote in a Washington Post column on Thursday that Kobach’s attempt to gather so much personal information constitutes a grave threat to national security, because such a database would be vulnerable to hacking. The overall effect has been that Republican officials are creating a major obstacle to the Kobach commission putting together the database it sought.

That shouldn’t pose much of a danger to electoral integrity, though. If there were actually millions of ineligible voters casting ballots, it would have been detected before. A painstaking 2007 Department of Justice search failed to turn it up, as have other investigations. (Philip Bump illustrated the physical implausibility of these claims in October, too.) In-person voter fraud is extremely rare, yet voter-ID laws and databases like Interstate Crosscheck continue to focus on rooting it out. But simply matching names tends to turn up false positives. That’s something Kobach encountered in Kansas: After he dramatically announced that there were nearly 2,000 dead voters on state rolls, newspapers starting finding the alleged dead voters alive and well. Similar names often produce false positive results for fraudulent or duplicative registrations.

Yet that’s precisely what Kobach intended to do with the information he collected for the panel, as Jessica Huseman confirmed: The idea is to run the names collected against federal databases to try to find improper registrations. That would likely produce a raft of false positives; some would be successfully challenged, but other eligible voters might see their registrations erroneously thrown out. Given the history of voter-ID laws and Kobach’s results with previous databases, the cynics can be forgiven for suspecting that was the goal all along.
bron

Verkapte poging tot voter purging dus weer.
Volkorenbrood: "Geen quotes meer in jullie sigs gaarne."
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0s.gif Op vrijdag 7 juli 2017 08:19 schreef ExtraWaskracht het volgende:
De scheidslijn ligt denk ik eerder tussen gek en gezond van verstand, niet per se langs ideologische lijnen.
Wir schaffen das behoort dan in de categorie gek-krankzinnig.

Gekke Merkel. 8)7
  Overall beste user 2022 vrijdag 7 juli 2017 @ 11:35:55 #227
3928 Ulx
you aint no punk you punk
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Wir schaffen das behoort dan in de categorie gek-krankzinnig.

Gekke Merkel. 8)7
Wat schafft ze niet? De ziektekostenverzekering afschaffen? Oh nee, dat lukt Trump niet.
I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me.
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Nog een opiniestukje over de speech van Trump in Polen:

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The Racial and Religious Paranoia of Trump's Warsaw Speech
When the president says being Western is the essence of America’s identity, he’s in part defining America in opposition to some of its own people.

In his speech in Poland on Thursday, Donald Trump referred 10 times to “the West” and five times to “our civilization.” His white nationalist supporters will understand exactly what he means. It’s important that other Americans do, too.

The West is not a geographic term. Poland is further east than Morocco. France is further east than Haiti. Australia is further east than Egypt. Yet Poland, France, and Australia are all considered part of “The West.” Morocco, Haiti, and Egypt are not.

The West is not an ideological or economic term either. India is the world’s largest democracy. Japan is among its most economically advanced nations. No one considers them part of the West.

The West is a racial and religious term. To be considered Western, a country must be largely Christian (preferably Protestant or Catholic) and largely white. Where there is ambiguity about a country’s “Westernness,” it’s because there is ambiguity about, or tension between, these two characteristics. Is Latin America Western? Maybe. Most of its people are Christian, but by U.S. standards, they’re not clearly white. Are Albania and Bosnia Western? Maybe. By American standards, their people are white. But they are also mostly Muslim.

Steve Bannon, who along with Stephen Miller has shaped much of Trump’s civilizational thinking, has been explicit about this. In a 2014 speech, he celebrated “the long history of the Judeo-Christian West struggle against Islam” and “our forefathers” who “bequeathed to use the great institution that is the church of the West.”

During the Cold War, when the contest between Soviet and American power divided Europe along geographic lines, American presidents sometimes contrasted the democratic “West” with the communist “East.” But when the Cold War ended, they largely stopped associating America with “the West.” Every president from George H.W. Bush to Barack Obama emphasized the portability of America’s political and economic principles. The whole point was that democracy and capitalism were not uniquely “Western.” They were not the property of any particular religion or race but the universal aspiration of humankind.

To grasp how different that rhetoric was from Trump’s, look at how the last Republican President, George W. Bush, spoke when he visited Poland. In his first presidential visit, in 2001, Bush never referred to “the West.” He did tell Poles that “We share a civilization.” But in the next sentence he insisted that “Its values are universal.” Because they are, he declared, “our trans-Atlantic community must have priorities beyond the consolidation of European peace. We must bring peace and health to Africa. … We must work toward a world that trades in freedom … a world of cooperation to enhance prosperity, protect the environment, and lift the quality of life for all.”

In 2003, Bush returned, and in his main speech didn’t use the terms “West” or “civilization” at all. After celebrating Poland’s achievements, he said America and Europe “must help men and women around the world to build lives of purpose and dignity” so they don’t turn to terrorism. He boasted that America was increasing its funding to fight global poverty and AIDS because “we add to our security by helping to spread freedom and alleviate suffering.” And he said “America and Europe must work closely to develop and apply new technologies that will improve our air and water quality, and protect the health of the world’s people.”

Bush’s vision echoed Francis Fukuyama’s. America and Europe may have been further along the road to prosperity, liberty, capitalism, and peace than other parts of the world, but all countries could follow their path. And the more each did, the more America and Europe would benefit. In deeply Catholic Poland, Bush sprinkled his speeches with religious references, but they were about Christianity as a universal creed, a moral imperative that knew no civilizational bounds. By contrast, when Trump warned Poles about forces “from the south or the east, that threaten … to erase the bonds of culture, faith, and tradition,” he was talking not about Christianity but about Christendom: a particular religious civilization that must protect itself from outsiders.

In his 2003 speech, Bush referred to democracy 13 times. Trump mentioned it once. And for good reason. Ideologically, what links the current American and Polish governments is not their commitment to democracy—both are increasingly authoritarian. It is their hostility to Muslim immigration. The European Union is suing Poland’s government for refusing to accept refugees. Among Trump’s biggest applause lines in Warsaw was, “While we will always welcome new citizens who share our values and love our people, our borders will always be closed to terrorism and extremism of any kind.” Given that Trump had linked “our values” to America and Poland’s “tradition,” “faith,” “culture,” and “identity,” it wasn’t hard to imagine whom that leaves out.

When Bush spoke in Poland, America’s leaders still mostly discussed globalization as a process by which America improved the rest of the world. Trump generally discusses globalization—the movement of both goods and people—as a process by which the rest of the world cheats, weakens, and threatens America. In his two speeches in Poland combined, Bush used variations of the word “defend” five times. Trump used them 21 times in a single speech.

The most shocking sentence in Trump’s speech—perhaps the most shocking sentence in any presidential speech delivered on foreign soil in my lifetime—was his claim that “The fundamental question of our time is whether the West has the will to survive.” On its face, that’s absurd. Jihadist terrorists can kill people in the West, but unlike Nazi Germany or the Soviet Union, they cannot topple even the weakest European government. Jihadists control no great armies. Their ideologies have limited appeal even among the Muslims they target with their propaganda. ISIS has all but lost Mosul and could lose Raqqa later this year.

Trump’s sentence only makes sense as a statement of racial and religious paranoia. The “south” and “east” only threaten the West’s “survival” if you see non-white, non-Christian immigrants as invaders. They only threaten the West’s “survival” if by “West” you mean white, Christian hegemony. A direct line connects Trump’s assault on Barack Obama’s citizenship to his speech in Poland. In Trump and Bannon’s view, America is at its core Western: meaning white and Christian (or at least Judeo-Christian). The implication is that anyone in the United States who is not white and Christian may not truly be American but rather than an imposter and a threat.

Poland is largely ethnically homogeneous. So when a Polish president says that being Western is the essence of the nation’s identity, he’s mostly defining Poland in opposition to the nations to its east and south. America is racially, ethnically, and religious diverse. So when Trump says being Western is the essence of America’s identity, he’s in part defining America in opposition to some of its own people. He’s not speaking as the president of the entire United States. He’s speaking as the head of a tribe.
bron
Volkorenbrood: "Geen quotes meer in jullie sigs gaarne."
  Moderator vrijdag 7 juli 2017 @ 11:47:16 #229
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Wir schaffen das behoort dan in de categorie gek-krankzinnig.

Gekke Merkel. 8)7
En toch doen ze het gewoon in tegenstelling tot de blaaskaak die niets klaarspeelt in positieve zin tot dusverre.
"The enemy isn't men, or women, it's bloody stupid people and no one has the right to be stupid." - Sir Terry Pratchett.
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I Found HanAssholeSolo’s anti-Semitic Posts. Then, the Death Threats Started

Eng verslag. Er lopen een hoop zieke figuren rond, daar in de VS.
Op maandag 3 februari 2014 08:10 schreef Enchanter het volgende:[/b]
In discussie gaan met Koos Vogels :') , een grotere mongool is er niet :r
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Nog een stukje over wat China kan en wil doen aan de nucleaire ambities van Noord-Korea:

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What Can China Do About North Korea?
President Trump says Beijing isn’t doing enough, but it’s difficult to measure the country’s actual influence.

President Trump meets with the leaders of South Korea and Japan Thursday evening to discuss the North Korean crisis. Absent from their dinner is Chinese President Xi Jinping, who Trump has said is key to resolving the impasse over Pyongyang’s nuclear-weapons and missile programs. His absence is reportedly intended to put pressure on Beijing over its perceived inaction on North Korea.

Trump has made China’s role a centerpiece of his North Korea policy. Even before his inauguration, he said Beijing has “been taking out massive amounts of money & wealth from the U.S. … but won’t help with North Korea,” which he has described as “a real threat to the world.” But after meeting Xi at Mar-a-Lago in April, Trump said the Chinese president had convinced him that “it’s not so easy.” Then this week, after North Korea tested what it said was an intercontinental ballistic missile that experts say could reach Alaska, Trump tweeted:
"Trade between China and North Korea grew almost 40% in the first quarter. So much for China working with us - but we had to give it a try!"

Whether or not that figure is reliable, China has more influence on the North Korean leadership than any other nation does. But is that influence is enough to persuade Kim Jong Un, the North Korean leader, to stop testing missiles and nuclear devices?

Chinese experts have long maintained that the West overstates their country’s influence over North Korea, especially in the Kim Jog Un era. They acknowledge that China has economic leverage over Pyongyang, but at the same time point out that China is boxed in because its ultimate goal is a stable North Korea—and because any international pressure could lead to instability on the Korean Peninsula, Beijing is reluctant to take forceful action.

“It is difficult to estimate China’s influence over Pyongyang,” Lu Chao, director of the Border Study Institute at the Liaoning Academy of Social Sciences, a government think tank, told NK News in an interview in 2015. He said that in the era of Kim Jong Il, Kim Jong Un’s father, “the two countries followed the practice of notifying each other on serious issues. But the ties are going through a relative low point, and there seems to be no such practice now.” In an interview in May with the Globe and Mail, Luo reiterated those comments: “Frankly speaking, we are right now at the lowest point in the relationship between China and North Korea.”

Americans who have dealt with Chinese diplomats on North Korea empathize, but say there’s no question China still wields enormous influence on the leadership in Pyongyang.

“I think it’s a fair statement that China is experiencing a significantly different dynamic with Kim Jong Un than with his predecessor, which should be extremely concerning to all of us, and which I think is legitimately concerning to Beijing as well,” said David Pressman, a former U.S. ambassador to the UN for special political affairs during the Obama administration. “I think there was a time when there was more predictability in the relationship between China and North Korea and the leadership of both countries.”

But Pressman, who is now partner at Boies Schiller Flexner LLP, added while China has the “ability to influence” North Korea’s calculus on its weapons programs, “we’re not even seeing a significant effort from Beijing to attempt to do that.” He noted that in early 2016, China was willing to adopt strong sanctions against North Korea at the UN, but “proved systematically prepared to look for excuses to not implement and not force the measures, including the measures that they’ve supported, being implemented.”

Indeed, at the time the UN imposed sanctions—which, among other things, prohibited North Korea’s sale of coal—China insisted on an exemption that permitted Pyongyang to export coal to facilitate the livelihoods of individual North Koreans.

“What the Chinese then proceeded to do with the livelihood exemption was funnel enormous amounts of coal trade under the guise of this exemption,” Pressman said. “So they were prepared to support the political message of banning the export of coal, but they weren’t prepared to deliver in practical terms that would actually make the North Korean regime feel some financial pain. And for sanctions to work, obviously that has to happen.”

The Chinese continued to exploit this loophole until February of this year when Beijing announced that it was halting coal imports from the North—though it continues to import, in small amounts, other commodities from North Korea.

“Unless North Korea starts a war against China or some other country, China will not cut off all trade,” Shi Yinhong, an international relations specialist at People’s University in Beijing, told the Associated Press. “Some [economic] activities are not for making money but for political concerns, so the people in Pyongyang will want to listen to us sometimes when we talk.”

But Trump has argued the stakes in North Korea are too high for diplomacy as usual. The president, in remarks Thursday in Warsaw, said the U.S. would take “pretty severe” steps to retaliate against the North’s latest missile test. It’s that possibility—an unstable nation with a nuclear weapon capable of reaching the U.S.—that most concerns U.S. officials, and indeed the nations surrounding North Korea.

“I think Kim Jong Un is dangerous enough and certainly has the instruments of lethality in his possession that threaten international peace and security,” Pressman said, “such that … no one is going to be comfortable with this man continuing to possess and threaten the world with nuclear weapons.”

Zhang Tuosheng, director at the China Foundation for International and Strategic Studies, said it’s not in China’s interests for North Korea to become a de facto nuclear state. “It will ... be a disaster for China,” he said Thursday at a panel discussion at the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS) in Washington. He said the goal of international diplomacy should be, first, to freeze North Korea's nuclear program and, ultimately, denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula.

"We should strive for the best," he said. "We should prepare for the worst."

Zhu Feng, a professor of international relations at Nanjing University, who also spoke at the CSIS panel, was less sanguine about the prospect of persuading Pyongyang to renounce its nuclear program. He said nuclear weapons were the only way for Kim "to magnify how magnificent he is" to the North Korean people.
bron
Volkorenbrood: "Geen quotes meer in jullie sigs gaarne."
  vrijdag 7 juli 2017 @ 13:40:02 #232
12621 tcr
*nix 4ever
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Donald Trump 'has trouble finding hotel room at G20 summit'
There is no Trump hotel in the city
http://www.independent.co(...)etings-a7827166.html

Lastig een hotel boeken, zeker voor iemand die hotels in zijn portfolie heeft...
  vrijdag 7 juli 2017 @ 13:59:40 #233
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Laat maar lekker draaien
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http://www.independent.co(...)etings-a7827166.html

Lastig een hotel boeken, zeker voor iemand die hotels in zijn portfolie heeft...
Is waarschijnlijk onwaar. Zoals een reddit user schreef:

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So I really like exposing indepedent articles for the political pieces of crap they are. They are lazy journalism with half quotes pretending to be realy journalism.

I went back to the buzzfeed article they quoted (they always quote buzzfeed) and then found the previous article in german. This was the article buzzfeed was quoting. Were literally playing telephone here

https://www.welt.de/polit(...)eim-G-20-Gipfel.html

Now if you read the article. Remember this is what Buzzfeed and the Independent are basing there 'incompetent administration' hit pieces on. Youll see it just says they dont know where trump is staying; having no direct source but only asking around hotels. This article was also published more than a week ago. Its very likely the info is out of date or could have changed. Idk why this is continuously allowed to be a reliable source. This is so easy to debunk and the journalism standard of the independent is so lazy. They always take half quotes and spin them into trump hit pieces.

Edit: Im all for good journalism but seriously guys, look at the quote the indepdent has and go back and reread the original article. Always do this with them, there are so many inconsistencies with their work. I was able to prove the same thing with the syrian gas thing a week ago. Theu are lazy journalist who shouldnt be supported.

Edit 2: im surprised how well this is being received. In other news and political boards I cannot critize articles like this without being called some alex jones conspiracy theorist. Its relatively nice
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"We're going to fix the mess that you bureaucrats made!" 8-)
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Aut viam inveniam, aut faciam
There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die.
  Overall beste user 2022 vrijdag 7 juli 2017 @ 14:22:19 #236
3928 Ulx
you aint no punk you punk
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I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me.
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ABC twitterde op vrijdag 07-07-2017 om 14:11:42 Video shows Pres. Trump, Russian Pres. Putin shaking hands at G-20 summit ahead of their high-stakes meeting today.… https://t.co/9P8t9ONFPe reageer retweet
Juncker duikt als een zielepoot ineen als Trump langszij komt om Putin een hand te geven.



Juncker ziet er al weer aardig bezopen uit :')
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Die gast spoort niet.
Het is gewoon ronduit bizar om te zien hoe onwetend Trump eigenlijk is...
Aut viam inveniam, aut faciam
There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die.
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0s.gif Op vrijdag 7 juli 2017 14:23 schreef Nintex het volgende:
ABC twitterde op vrijdag 07-07-2017 om 14:11:42 Video shows Pres. Trump, Russian Pres. Putin shaking hands at G-20 summit ahead of their high-stakes meeting today.… https://t.co/9P8t9ONFPe reageer retweet
Juncker duikt als een zielepoot ineen als Trump langszij komt om Putin een hand te geven.

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Juncker ziet er al weer aardig bezopen uit :')
Waarom deed hij de stoere, mannelijke handdruk waar je normaal gesproken zo'n fan van bent eigenlijk niet?
Hoeren neuken, nooit meer werken.
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Waarom deed hij de stoere, mannelijke handdruk waar je normaal gesproken zo'n fan van bent eigenlijk niet?
Nu je het zegt dat zie ik hem steeds minder vaak doen de laatste tijd.
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0s.gif Op vrijdag 7 juli 2017 14:29 schreef Nintex het volgende:

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Nu je het zegt dat zie ik hem steeds minder vaak doen de laatste tijd.
Stuur even een berichtje naar Scott Adams of die het kan duiden voor je, dan wacht ik jouw mening verder even af.
Hoeren neuken, nooit meer werken.
  † In Memoriam † vrijdag 7 juli 2017 @ 14:33:59 #242
159335 Boze_Appel
Vrij Fruit
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10s.gif Op vrijdag 7 juli 2017 14:26 schreef Ludachrist het volgende:

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Waarom deed hij de stoere, mannelijke handdruk waar je normaal gesproken zo'n fan van bent eigenlijk niet?
Oh, de roeihanddruk?
Carpe Libertatem
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10s.gif Op vrijdag 7 juli 2017 14:33 schreef Boze_Appel het volgende:

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Oh, de roeihanddruk?


Deze totaal normale manier van handenschudden, inderdaad.

Bij Putin geeft hij gewoon een handje en een kneepje in de onderarm waarna hij hem even over zijn rug wrijft. Vandaar dat ik benieuwd was wat een lichaamstaalexpert als Nintex daarover te zeggen had.
Hoeren neuken, nooit meer werken.
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14s.gif Op vrijdag 7 juli 2017 14:36 schreef Ludachrist het volgende:

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Deze totaal normale manier van handenschudden, inderdaad.

Bij Putin geeft hij gewoon een handje en een kneepje in de onderarm waarna hij hem even over zijn rug wrijft. Vandaar dat ik benieuwd was wat een lichaamstaalexpert als Nintex daarover te zeggen had.
Je ziet in het filmpje hoe Trump de hand van Putin schudt en zijn arm pakt en Putin naar hem wijst met zijn vinger zo van: "Jij gaat niet aan mijn arm trekken heh?" :')
FoxNews twitterde op vrijdag 07-07-2017 om 13:53:14 Video shows the first handshake between @POTUS and President Vladimir Putin. https://t.co/RxrhvIu0y9 (Credit:... https://t.co/fel6DRMaIk reageer retweet
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Blijft verbazingwekkend hoe relevant veel mensen iets knulligs als handen schudden achten. :')
Internationale deals zijn geen handjeklap tussen wereldleiders.
Volkorenbrood: "Geen quotes meer in jullie sigs gaarne."
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0s.gif Op vrijdag 7 juli 2017 14:43 schreef Monolith het volgende:
Blijft verbazingwekkend hoe relevant veel mensen iets knulligs als handen schudden achten. :')
Internationale deals zijn geen handjeklap tussen wereldleiders.
Ik heb het dan ook niet per sé over een internationale deal tussen beide landen die hier besproken wordt, ik vind het gewoon grappig om te zien dat Donald bij iedere internationale partner die Amerika heeft probeert om de arm uit de kom te rukken omdat hij dat in Intimidatie voor Beginners gelezen heeft, en op het moment dat dan eindelijk de eerste handdruk met Poetin komt, over wiens regering hij een dag eerder nog had gezegd dat ze hebben geprobeerd de verkiezingen te beïnvloeden, hij opeens over zijn rug gaat wrijven.

Maar je hebt gelijk, op het gebied van beleidsmatige kwesties zal de wijze van handen drukken weinig uithalen.
Hoeren neuken, nooit meer werken.
  Overall beste user 2022 vrijdag 7 juli 2017 @ 15:12:06 #247
3928 Ulx
you aint no punk you punk
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0s.gif Op vrijdag 7 juli 2017 14:43 schreef Monolith het volgende:
Blijft verbazingwekkend hoe relevant veel mensen iets knulligs als handen schudden achten. :')
Internationale deals zijn geen handjeklap tussen wereldleiders.
Alles is relevant.
I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me.
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0s.gif Op vrijdag 7 juli 2017 14:43 schreef Monolith het volgende:
Blijft verbazingwekkend hoe relevant veel mensen iets knulligs als handen schudden achten. :')
Internationale deals zijn geen handjeklap tussen wereldleiders.
In de marges van dit soort bijeenkomsten gebeurd altijd veel meer dan bij de gesprekken zelf.

Voorgaande jaren was er een hevig diplomatiek gesteggel achter de schermen over Syrie en Oekraine om het hele feest om. Er worden juist wel knopen doorgehakt tijdens de diners, onderonsjes en persoonlijke gesprekken. Wereldleider zijn is een eenzaam bestaan, maar weinig mensen snappen dat, logisch dat dat mensen dichter bij elkaar brengt.

In de Koude oorlog zijn we door het oog van de naald gegaan, omdat de Amerikaanse president dacht te weten in welke moeilijke situatie zijn Russische ambtsgenoot zat. Deze erkenning van elkaar is heel belangrijk als het gaat om deals maken en de vrede bewaken.

Het kan ook gruwelijk fout gaan, zoals in Vietnam. Toen de Amerikanen dachten dat ze tegen het wereldwijde communisme vochten, maar de Vietcong de Amerikanen beschouwden als nieuwe bezetters, zoals de Fransen voor hen.

Kijk ook 'The Fog of War' de docu over Robert McNamara die uitgebreid over dit onderwerp spreekt de Secdef tijdens de Vietnam oorlog.
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Wat hebben Vietnam en de Koude Oorlog met als een wezenloze handjes schudden te maken?
"Bleach is healthy. It's mostly water. And we are mostly water. Therefore, we are bleach."
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0s.gif Op vrijdag 7 juli 2017 15:21 schreef OMG het volgende:
Wat hebben Vietnam en de Koude Oorlog met als een wezenloze handjes schudden te maken?
Nontex houdt er van om met onzinnige en irrelevante 'feiten' op de proppen te komen.
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