Oorlog Oekraïne - Rusland #139 Gaat de NAVO wapens leveren??

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Op vrijdag 5 september 2014 15:13 schreef theunderdog het volgende:

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Waarom is het toegeven van Rusland zo belangrijk dan?

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Op vrijdag 5 september 2014 15:16 schreef michaelmoore het volgende:

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alleen soldaten die met vakantie zijn dan

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Op vrijdag 5 september 2014 15:16 schreef Zith het volgende:

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Omdat Rusland nu kan zeggen dat het voldoent aan de eisen van Kiev (''Geen russische troepen in Oost ukraine")

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Op vrijdag 5 september 2014 15:17 schreef theunderdog het volgende:

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Uiteraard, maar zijn woorden belangrijker dan beelden?

Dat er Russische troepen zijn in Oekraïne, dat staat toch gewoon op beeld?

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Op vrijdag 5 september 2014 15:19 schreef Zith het volgende:

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Nou en... Met deze situatie:

#BREAKING Kiev says Russian troops must withdraw from Ukraine under truce terms

komt er antwoord:

#BREAKING Russia says Russian troops are not in Ukraine under truce terms

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Op vrijdag 5 september 2014 15:18 schreef vigen98 het volgende:

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Kan jij ze even sturen?

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Op vrijdag 5 september 2014 15:28 schreef vigen98 het volgende:
NATO members agree to substantive measures to help advance Georgia towards NATO membership, responding to Russian warnings against Ukraine's bid to join - @BBCGavinHewitt

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Op vrijdag 5 september 2014 15:30 schreef michaelmoore het volgende:
internationale coalitie tegen ISIS om de onthoofdingen te wreken

http://www.nu.nl/buitenla(...)ionale-coalitie.html

kunnen ze daarna gelijk door naar de Russen

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Op vrijdag 5 september 2014 15:34 schreef michaelmoore het volgende:

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turkije is toch lid van de NATO

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Op vrijdag 5 september 2014 15:36 schreef michaelmoore het volgende:

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dat is het nadeel van lid te zijn

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Op vrijdag 5 september 2014 14:51 schreef deelnemer het volgende:
OSCE mission reports continuous worsening of situation in Mariupol

The OSCE Special Monitoring Mission to Ukraine has reported the worsening of the situation in Mariupol and the risk of military confrontation in the city.

"The situation in Mariupol and the surrounding area raises concern due to increased military activity, primarily to the east of Mariupol city," the mission said in a report published on the OSCE Web site on September 4.

According to the report, heavy fighting in the area of Shyrokyne (24 kilometers east of Mariupol) and Bezimenne (34 kilometers east of Mariupol) is taking place. Observers also reported shelling in these localities, as well as the destruction of a power plant in Shyrokyne, which left the village without electricity.

"The SMM was informed by local inhabitants that they heard 50-60 explosions and that at 1715 four explosions were heard from the direction of Shyrokyne. In Berdiansk village the SMM was told by local inhabitants that Shyrokyne was shelled and that there had been casualties," reads the report.

"Local residents are nervous and fear that Mariupol may be attacked soon," observers said.

The mission, referring to the Ukrainian authorities, told observers that the situation in Mariupol was worsening by the hour and that there was "a danger that irregular armed groups could move into the city tonight."

According to the report, the mission visited the checkpoint in the eastern part of Mariupol on the E58 road towards Novoazovsk.

"The SMM noticed approximately 16 units of military hardware there (eight trucks and eight armored personnel carriers) leaving the checkpoint and moving in the direction of the city," reads the statement.

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Op vrijdag 5 september 2014 15:20 schreef theunderdog het volgende:

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KIEV kan de beelden geven, Rusland alleen woorden.

Dan staat KIEV toch veel sterker??

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Op vrijdag 5 september 2014 15:38 schreef theunderdog het volgende:

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Nee hoor, dat is diplomatiek.

Maar dat maakt het niet minder ironisch. Er kwam toch wel even een glimlach op mijn gezicht toen ik las dat Turkije deel gaat nemen aan de strijd tegen ISIS.

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Gorbachev on Ukraine: Terrifying massacre in store for Europe

To resolve the conflict in Ukraine, it is highly important to resume the dialogue between Moscow and Washington, as "their role and responsibility is special," first president of the USSR, Mikhail Gorbachev believes. Earlier, Gorbachev stated that Europe may face "terrifying massacre" because of the current crisis in Ukraine. According to him, "too much is at stake; dangers and risks are too high."

Mikhail Gorbachev has recently finished working on a new book, which is going to be published soon. The book, titled "After the Kremlin," is devoted to events in Russia and the world over the past two decades. In the epilogue to the book, Gorbachev wrote that the deep cause of what is currently happening in Ukraine was the failure of perestroika and "opportunistic dissolution of the USSR." Gorbachev blamed the then Russian administration for that.

"At the same time, I must remind you, the Ukrainian leadership sabotaged the process of transformation of the Union - both before the August 1991 coup and after it, despite the fact that the majority of republics had coordinated the text of the Union Treaty," said Gorbachev.

He was fighting to preserve the unified state with all available political tools and offered Kiev to discuss opportunities of creating an economic union, the former Soviet president said. During those talks, he added, one could solve all problems, including the ones on the status of the city of Sevastopol and the Crimean Peninsula.

"They did not listen to suggestions and warnings. Having forgotten the fact that one should exercise as much caution as possible in the relations between nations and think through consequences of each step, the Supreme Council of the Russian Federation approved the destruction of the Union to applause. Some would say: "That's a matter of the past." No - the past is through many threads related to present, and it reminds of politicians' mistakes again and again," the first president of the USSR wrote.

According to Gorbachev, the only way to solve the Ukrainian crisis is to conduct a constructive dialogue both on the international level and among Ukrainian political forces. "I still believe that for peace in Ukraine, in Europe and in the world, it is vitally important to resume dialogue between Russia and the United States. Their role and responsibility is special," said Gorbachev.

According to him, representatives of Moscow and Washington, as well as other members of the UN Security Council, should prepare a joint draft resolution, which would break the negative course of events.

In late August, the UN reported that the armed conflict in Ukraine claimed the lives of more than 2,500 people. The military operation against Ukrainian citizens that Kiev calls "anti-terrorist" and Moscow "punitive" was launched in April 2014.

On September 4, at the NATO summit in Wales, President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko said that he was ready to cease fire in the south-east of the country should the meeting in Minsk take place. Later, representatives of the self-proclaimed Donetsk and Luhansk people's republics also declared their readiness to cease fire.

Officials at the US State Department said that Kiev should negotiate cease fire agreement with Moscow, rather than with representatives of breakaway republics. However, Russia insists that the crisis in Ukraine is an internal conflict, in which Russia does not interfere. Moreover, Russia and Ukraine are not at war with each other.

Mikhail Gorbachev earlier said that Europe may eventually face "terrifying massacre," should the conflict in Ukraine spread to Europe. Gorbachev supports the policy of the Russian administration as far as the Ukrainian crisis is concerned.

In an interview with the Russian News Service, Gorbachev stressed out that the Russian Federation must not interfere in the conflict in Ukraine, "If our country interferes, it may trigger the fire that the whole world will not be able to extinguish," he said.

"One should do everything to stop killings. This is one nation. If other countries get involved, and the scale of it grows, we can come to the worst massacre in Europe. This must not be allowed," said the ex-president.

"Our offer was to open passages and take people out of those mousetraps. Someone sit in warm offices and does the talking. Look at what happens to people, children and women at the same time. They shell maternity hospitals, schools, destroy hospitals," said Gorbachev.

As for Russia's move to reunite with the Crimea, Mikhail Gorbachev said that it was a move "to correct the mistake of the USSR."

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Op vrijdag 5 september 2014 16:08 schreef DUTCHKO het volgende:

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Laat die beelden dan eens zien?

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Op vrijdag 5 september 2014 16:10 schreef DUTCHKO het volgende:

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Ik denk zomaar dat ISIS de Turken ook als non-Moslims zien....dus maffe Erdogan vreest voor zijn positie...

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Op vrijdag 5 september 2014 16:13 schreef theunderdog het volgende:

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