Crisis in Oekra�ne #95 nationalisme en zijn nadelen

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ystriya twitterde op zaterdag 17-05-2014 om 14:34:35 Home-made grenades.#Slavyansk http://t.co/OdZGpEUgt7 reageer retweet

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Op zaterdag 17 mei 2014 14:57 schreef meth1745 het volgende:

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ystriya twitterde op zaterdag 17-05-2014 om 14:34:35 Home-made grenades.#Slavyansk http://t.co/OdZGpEUgt7 reageer retweet

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Op zaterdag 17 mei 2014 14:58 schreef SureD1 het volgende:

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Met een fragmentatiemantel... Dat is geavanceerde huisvlijt!

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GrahamWP_UK twitterde op zaterdag 17-05-2014 om 16:04:52 Civil servants in Donetsk Republic no idea when will return to work as unclear who will pay salaries formerly paid by Kiev. #Ukraine reageer retweet

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Spain allows Russia to use its port

Spain has sparked an international outcry after it let Russian ships dock at its port in African exclave Ceuta.

The country has been accused of ‘absurdity and hypocrisy’ after allowing three Russian navy ships to dock in its North African territory.

UK MPs have criticized Madrid’s decision to allow the vessels, which included a heavily-armed destroyer, to take on food, fuel and supplies.

The ships docked in Ceuta just two weeks ago as tensions increased between NATO and Russia over the Ukraine crisis.

Spain, which is a NATO member, is being accused of double standards as they form part of an alliance which is standing up against Russia over the ongoing Ukraine conflict.

The Ceuta disclosure has highlighted Spain’s hypocrisy over Gibraltar and recent tension over British sovereignty while Spain persists in controlling Ceuta and Melilla, their territories some fifty miles away in Morocco.

In Parliament last night (Wednesday) Conservative MP Andrew Rosindell said: “How is the defence alliance supposed to work if members of NATO behave like this?

“It is completely perverse and highlights the absurdity and short-sightedness of Spain’s position. We are supposed to be allies.

“It is also blatantly hypocritical to allow Russian warships to use a territory which is not part of mainland Spain while complaining to the UK about us having Gibraltar.

“Spain is going to achieve nothing by pursuing these shoddy and nonsensical policies.”

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Ukraine crisis like WWI eve: German ex-chancellor

Former German Chancellor Helmut Schmidt has blamed bureaucrats from the European Union for the crisis in Ukraine, likening it to the lead-up to the World War I.

In an interview with German paper Bild on Friday, the 95-year-old Social Democratic politician said that the situation in the country recalls the eve of the WWI.

"I think very little of talking up the threat of World War III, and especially of demands for more money to arm NATO," said Schmidt, who was the German chancellor from 1974 to 82, adding, "But the danger that the situation gets ever more tense, as it did in August 1914, is growing day by day."

“The situation to me seems increasingly comparable to the eve of war a century ago. He stated, adding that the world powers were "acting the way author Christopher Clark describes the start of World War I in his very readable book, like 'sleepwalkers'."

Schmidt also slammed the European Commission for interfering in the world’s politics, of which "most commissioners understand very little."

"The latest example is the attempt of the European Commission to annex Ukraine and also to try to draw in Georgia. Just a reminder: Georgia lies outside of Europe. This is megalomania. We have no business being there. The officials and bureaucrats in Brussels... are confronting Ukraine with the apparent choice of having to choose between West and East."

The crisis in Ukraine began last November, after the country’s then president, Viktor Yanukovych, refrained from signing a deal with the EU in favor of closer ties with neighboring Russia.

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NewEastEurope twitterde op zaterdag 17-05-2014 om 16:06:41 #Ukraine: Yatsenyuk in Kharkiv promises decentralization, special status for Russian and other languages and amnesty for separatists. reageer retweet

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ulvdis twitterde op zaterdag 17-05-2014 om 16:07:55 WTF Orban again calls for autonomy for Hungarians in #Ukraine. https://t.co/V4bmIz8tdA #Hungary #diplomacy #fail via Kresy-Siberia reageer retweet

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hdevreij twitterde op zaterdag 17-05-2014 om 16:21:22 #Ukraine Video (graphic): bodies of insurgents killed near #Kramatorsk https://t.co/vThXuDSI5n reageer retweet

Под Краматорском в окружение попала банда террористов. Ликвидированный боевик,пытался вырваться.

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GrahamWP_UK twitterde op zaterdag 17-05-2014 om 16:18:10 Video to come as I revist this scene, Andrievka,of this morning's latest shelling by Ukrainian army upon #Slavyansk -https://t.co/PFYxeuYc3e reageer retweet

Ukrainian Army Fire on Slavyansk - Morning May 17th

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Op zaterdag 17 mei 2014 17:05 schreef meth1745 het volgende:

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hdevreij twitterde op zaterdag 17-05-2014 om 16:21:22 #Ukraine Video (graphic): bodies of insurgents killed near #Kramatorsk https://t.co/vThXuDSI5n reageer retweet

Под Краматорском в окружение попала банда террористов. Ликвидированный боевик,пытался вырваться.

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GrahamWP_UK twitterde op zaterdag 17-05-2014 om 16:18:10 Video to come as I revist this scene, Andrievka,of this morning's latest shelling by Ukrainian army upon #Slavyansk -https://t.co/PFYxeuYc3e reageer retweet

Ukrainian Army Fire on Slavyansk - Morning May 17th

Op 4:50 en 6:07 wordt vanaf de heuvel geschoten

Welk wapen/kaliber zou het zijn? Geen mortier alvast want de shell komt aan voor je het afvuren hoort, gaat dus sneller dan het geluid.

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Op zaterdag 17 mei 2014 14:36 schreef deelnemer het volgende:
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Op zaterdag 17 mei 2014 16:29 schreef meth1745 het volgende:

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NewEastEurope twitterde op zaterdag 17-05-2014 om 16:06:41 #Ukraine: Yatsenyuk in Kharkiv promises decentralization, special status for Russian and other languages and amnesty for separatists. reageer retweet

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ulvdis twitterde op zaterdag 17-05-2014 om 16:07:55 WTF Orban again calls for autonomy for Hungarians in #Ukraine. https://t.co/V4bmIz8tdA #Hungary #diplomacy #fail via Kresy-Siberia reageer retweet

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Op zaterdag 17 mei 2014 21:12 schreef Gabrunal_2013 het volgende:

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Wijze woorden van de oud Bondskanselier! De EU moet zijn neus niet in andermans zaken steken. De bemoeienis van de EU met de Crisis in Oekraine en het gestook in Georgie zijn een levensgevaarlijke inmenging in gebieden waar wij niets te zoeken hebben. Ook interessant de positie van Spanje en de heimelijk steun aan de Russen om de Britten onder druk te kunnen zetten.

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Op zaterdag 17 mei 2014 21:12 schreef Gabrunal_2013 het volgende:

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Wijze woorden van de oud Bondskanselier! De EU moet zijn neus niet in andermans zaken steken. De bemoeienis van de EU met de Crisis in Oekraine en het gestook in Georgie zijn een levensgevaarlijke inmenging in gebieden waar wij niets te zoeken hebben. Ook interessant de positie van Spanje en de heimelijk steun aan de Russen om de Britten onder druk te kunnen zetten.

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Op zaterdag 17 mei 2014 21:12 schreef Gabrunal_2013 het volgende:

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Wijze woorden van de oud Bondskanselier! De EU moet zijn neus niet in andermans zaken steken. De bemoeienis van de EU met de Crisis in Oekraine en het gestook in Georgie zijn een levensgevaarlijke inmenging in gebieden waar wij niets te zoeken hebben. Ook interessant de positie van Spanje en de heimelijk steun aan de Russen om de Britten onder druk te kunnen zetten.

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Op zaterdag 17 mei 2014 21:31 schreef waht het volgende:

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Orban is een idioot. Lekker conflict aanwakkeren, zo komen we er wel.

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Op zaterdag 17 mei 2014 18:30 schreef SureD1 het volgende:

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Bij het eerste schot leek zowel het mondingsvuur als de daadwerkelijke ontploffing groter dan bij het tweede, dat deed me denken aan twee soorten munitie? De baan lijkt ook vrij vlak, dat kan zijn omdat de afstand vrij kort is... Mijn gok, maar niet meer dan dat, zou tankgeschut zijn... Wat hebben die T-70's 120mm of zo?

Edit: dat rood witte geval is de TV toren bij Slaviansk waarom zoveel te doen is? Iemand in de comments bij het filmpje (aan zijn avatar te zien pro-Ukra�ns) zegt dat de tv toren elke avond vanuit de fabriek die je op de voorgrond ziet beschoten wordt.

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As with other Ultra groups, the fans of Crimea’s biggest club Tavriya Simferopol were involved in Ultra groups’ collective defence of ‘ordinary’ protesters, which took place not only in Kyiv but all across Ukraine. In the previous article “Ukrainian Ultras and the Unorthodox Revolution” attention focused on the involvement of Ukraine’s Ultras scene during the Maidan demonstrations.

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vicktop55 twitterde op zaterdag 17-05-2014 om 21:53:43 Explosions heard in #Slavyansk, reports of fighting — RT News http://t.co/Q0ULCJs2R7 reageer retweet

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LarsGyllenhaal twitterde op zaterdag 17-05-2014 om 21:48:28 BREAKING: New statements by supreme commander Strelkov/Girkin - says have enough weapons but alarmingly few troops: http://t.co/ljeg7vWcB4 reageer retweet

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Op zaterdag 17 mei 2014 21:31 schreef waht het volgende:

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Orban is een idioot. Lekker conflict aanwakkeren, zo komen we er wel.

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Op zaterdag 17 mei 2014 22:21 schreef deelnemer het volgende:
Als Rusland aanschuift bij Het Westen, ipv voor tegenpool te spelen, dan omvat Het Westen:

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Lessons from the Thirties show us why we can’t appease Vladimir Putin

I was amazed to see a recently released film by the Eurosceptic Bruges Group devoted to blaming the EU for the Ukrainian crisis. Here is an organisation named after Margaret Thatcher’s famous appeal that the capitals of the Soviet Bloc should be seen as “great European cities” cut off from their roots by Communism. Yet it is feeling all sorry for the ex-KGB thug now in charge of the post-1989 residue.

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During a 1988 speech in Bruges she outlined her opposition to proposals from the European Community (EC), forerunner of the European Union, for a federal structure and increased centralisation of decision making.
"We have not successfully rolled back the frontiers of the state in Britain, only to see them re-imposed at a European level, with a European super-state exercising a new dominance from Brussels".

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GrahamWP_UK twitterde op zaterdag 17-05-2014 om 21:41:36 Shooting stopped, so back indoors checking up what @EuromaidanPR think of me ) http://t.co/uCS24CCjTa reageer retweet

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GrahamWP_UK twitterde op zaterdag 17-05-2014 om 17:59:35 A look a the destroyed barricades sw of #Slavyansk, as Ukraine army plans to enter city focus in on this entrance - https://t.co/ikGASanyRM reageer retweet

Slavyansk - Andrievka Destruction

SPOILER: edit, nevermind, staat half uur later nog steeds op 224 stemmen...

Om spoilers te kunnen lezen moet je zijn ingelogd. Je moet je daarvoor eerst gratis Registreren. Ook kun je spoilers niet lezen als je een ban hebt.

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Op zaterdag 17 mei 2014 22:29 schreef deelnemer het volgende:

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En ook de mijnwerkers uit Donbass. Het begon als een nationaal volksprotest.

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Op zaterdag 17 mei 2014 22:21 schreef deelnemer het volgende:

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Even Geopolitieken:

Als Rusland aanschuift bij Het Westen, ipv voor tegenpool te spelen, dan omvat Het Westen:
- N-Amerika + Europa + Rusland
- de hele noordkant van de aardbol
- een miljard mensen
- met gemeenschappelijke wortels in het Griekse oudheid en Christelijke religie
- met voldoende grondstoffen, water en vruchtbare grond.

Voor het geval dat er machtsblokken gevormd worden, is dit een natuurlijk blok met voldoende omvang om zich zich te kunnen meten met iedere andere partij.

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Op zaterdag 17 mei 2014 22:54 schreef meth1745 het volgende:

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Misschien moet ik opnieuw tv aanschaffen voor het "algemene nieuws". Met internet ben ik altijd op ��n zaak gefocused, wil ik nieuws lezen dan kom ik niet verder dan het eerste interessante bericht, rest van de dag gaat op aan details en achtergronden uitzoeken.

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Op zaterdag 17 mei 2014 23:17 schreef SureD1 het volgende:

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Gisteren was het algemene nieuws hier (en ik neem aan bij jullie zeker) Bende van Nijvel... Als je daarover gaat lezen ben je ook zo een paar dagen kwijt

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A mysterious "consultant" from Moscow who helped steer through Russia's annexation of Crimea has been appointed prime minister of the self-declared Donetsk People's Republic in eastern Ukraine.

"In essence, I am what can be called a professional consultant," the burly Aleksandr Borodai told journalists at his first press conference Saturday in a plush Donetsk hotel.

"I have resolved all kinds of complicated conflict situations," the 41-year-old said. "For that reason, personally speaking, my specialisation was what was needed here."

The unshaven Muscovite -- who says his expertise is in ethnic conflict -- was chosen as premier by the parliament of the Donetsk rebel republic on Thursday just days after it declared independence from Kiev following a disputed referendum and appealed to join Russia.

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Maidan scenario may repeat itself in Azerbaijan, says US envoy

The United States’ ambassador to Azerbaijan said his close monitoring of the situation in the country signals the likelihood of developments similar to those in Ukraine’s Euromaidan.
In an interview with the Azerbaijani service of RFE/RL (Azadliq), Richard Morningstar particularly pointed out to pressures against opposition activists, and their arrests.
Noting that the topic has always been on his country’s spotlight, the diplomat referred to Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s remark (made in the course of her 2012 visit to Azerbaijan’s capital, Baku) that the United States builds close ties only with democratic countries.
Morningstar said a tougher government stance on the civil society will increase the likelihood of the Maidan scenario in Baku sooner or later.
Commenting on the statement made by the US co-chair of the OSCE Minsk Group, James Warlick, earlier this month, the ambassador said his call for returning the seven regions surrounding Nagorno-Karabakh is in line with the United States’ position. He said it is important for Armenia and Azerbaijan to finally agree over peace in Nagorno-Karabakh, adding that the only impediment to such efforts may be Russia (which, according to him, may seek to increase influence on both states).

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DMITRY TYMCHUK: Tonight terrorists preparing to withdraw special cargo into Russia.
Posted on May 18, 2014 by tilamuse
Dmitry Tymchuk, Coordinator, Information Resistance

05.17.2014
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information_resistance_logo_engAccording to the Information Resistance group, tonight terrorists are preparing to withdraw convoys with special cargo from the territory of Ukraine into the territory of Russia.

In particular, they will remove the dead bodies of terrorists killed in armed clashes with Ukrainian law-enforcers. There are several hundred corpses.

According to our data, the passage of convoys of corpses across the State border is planned for the Luhansk Oblast [region].

Earlier, during withdrawals after clashes with security forces, terrorists have always sought to take the bodies of the dead terrorists with them–to avoid their identification as citizens of Russia and members of the armed forces of the Russian Federation.

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FBI-Agenten offenbar in der Ukraine get�tet

Nach Angaben von Separatisten haben die Truppen der ukrainischen Regierung mehr Verluste erlitten, als sie bisher bekannt gaben. Viele Opfer waren Geheimdienstmitarbeiter

Das teilte der selbst ernannte �Volksb�rgermeister� der umk�mpften Grossstadt Slawjansk, Wjatscheslaw Ponomarjow, am Samstag der Agentur Interfax zufolge mit. Unter den �Verlusten� seien auch 13 get�tete und 12 verletzte Mitarbeiter des US-Geheimdienstes CIA sowie vom FBI.

Bei der �Anti-Terror-Operation� im Osten der Ukraine haben die Regierungstruppen nach Informationen prorussischer Kr�fte bisher h�here Verluste erlitten als offiziell einger�umt. Mindestens 650 Menschen seien seit Anfang Mai verletzt, gefangen oder get�tet worden.

Wie der Separatistenf�hrer gem�ss Interfax in einer von der selbst ernannten �Volksrepublik Donezk� ver�ffentlichten Videobotschaft behauptete, seien allein 90 Mitarbeiter des ukrainischen Geheimdienstes SBU bei den K�mpfen im S�dosten der Ex-Sowjetrepublik gestorben.

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Madeleine Albright to head US observer team in Ukraine’s presidential election – reports

Former US Secretary of State Madeleine Albright will head a team of US observers to supervise Ukraine's upcoming presidential election, scheduled for May 25, the Voice of America radio station said on Friday.

Jane Harman, former congresswoman and Director of the Woodrow Wilson Center, told the Voice of America that US observers would be monitoring “standard things” at polling stations.

The observers will air their conclusions about how the election was held at a news conference after the vote, Harman said.

Foreign observers in Ukraine will include a large delegation from the International Republican Institute as well as lots of monitors from the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE) and other international organizations, she said

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Op zondag 18 mei 2014 08:59 schreef michaelmoore het volgende:
hoe kunnen ze nu dode Oekrainse opstandelingen terugbrengen naar Rusland ??

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Op zondag 18 mei 2014 01:16 schreef deelnemer het volgende:

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Ideeen over een moderne staat zijn een belangrijk verkoopverhaal voor de VS. Ze hameren op "the rule of law","free trade", "mensenrechten", "democracy" & "civil society". In allerlei landen waar het bestuur niet goed functioneert, wordt dit verhaal uitgerold. Het is de oppositie die dit verhaal overneemt en daarmee hun eigen overheid het vuur aan de schenen legt. Revoluties, in allerlei kleuren, zijn het gevolg. De Oranje revolutie in Oekraine is een goed voorbeeld. De huidige crisis is daarvan een voortzetting.

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Op zondag 18 mei 2014 10:28 schreef haags_kwartiertje het volgende:
Volgens mij gaat deze crisis langzaam maar zeker uit als een nachtkaars...

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Op zondag 18 mei 2014 14:52 schreef Gabrunal_2013 het volgende:

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dat denk ik niet!

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Failing Ukraine state plays in to Russia's hands

<sub>By Elizabeth Piper

KIEV Sun May 18, 2014 4:41am EDT


A portrait of Russian President Vladimir Putin is displayed on a table in the hall of a regional administration building occupied by pro-Russian activists in the eastern Ukrainian city of Luhansk May 17, 2014.</sub>

(Reuters) - In late February, just two days after pro-Russian president Viktor Yanukovich fled Kiev, Ukraine's parliament repealed a law enshrining the rights of Russian-speakers to use their first language.

Ukraine's Russian speakers, concentrated in the east and the south where the law applied, viewed the action as vengeful. In Moscow, Russia's leaders saw an opportunity.

Ukraine's new rulers took just five days to reverse course to once again allow the use of Russian in some schools, courts and other state institutions. Shocked by the outcry it caused, Ukraine's acting president had refused to sign the legislation.

But those five days were enough for Russian President Vladimir Putin to set in motion a chain of events that have undermined Kiev's pro Western government and drawn large areas of the country back into Russia's orbit, abetted by a divided West.

While Putin has presented separatist violence in eastern Ukraine as spontaneous, interviews with Ukrainian politicians and security sources with knowledge of Russian thinking suggest months of detailed planning by Moscow.

A key plank of Russia's plan, they say, was to deepen splits in a country that has struggled to form an identity since it emerged from the Soviet Union in 1991. To that end, Russia sought to exploit its connections to Ukrainian business, youth groups, the church, politicians and criminal networks.

The sources point to a paper from June 2013, described as a Kremlin consultation document by the Ukrainian newspaper Dzerkalo Tyzhnia and first made public in August that year. It sets out Moscow's fear of losing influence in Ukraine and its desire to draw its neighbor into an economic union.

The Kremlin declined to comment on the document, entitled "On the complex of measures to involve Ukraine in the Eurasian integration process", and Russian officials have previously written it off as a "provocation" by pro-Western politicians in Ukraine.

Bearing no signature or stamp, it is hard to trace its provenance, but a former security source in Ukraine corroborated its contents. He said he was present during conversations about the document involving officials in Ukraine with close connections to Moscow. Like others interviewed for this article he declined to be identified because of political sensitivities.

The document indicates that as far back as early 2013 Russia was nervous about Ukraine. Yanukovich's rule was widely seen as corrupt and the Kremlin was worried the president's unpopularity could harm Putin's plan to create a Russian-led "Eurasian" economic union to reunite part of the former Soviet Union.

Many Ukrainians believed Yanukovich was a Kremlin puppet, according to the document. Moscow was worried it would lose all influence in a new Ukraine if Yanukovich and his Party of the Regions were toppled.

"This aggravates the threat of a seizure of power by forces hostile to the Russian Federation," the document said.

"As the Party of the Regions has suppressed any independent pro-Russian movement, the collapse of the Yanukovich regime would leave us in a "scorched earth" situation, without any influential political forces on which we could rely."

It said Russia should apply pressure to oligarchs who enjoyed preferential trade with Russia but at the same time publicly criticized Putin's plan to create a Russian-led economic union.

A month after the report was written, Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev decided to scrap quotas for steel pipe supplies, hitting at least one prominent oligarch. Russian pipe makers had taken issue with cheap Ukrainian pipe imports.

In the same month, Russia's consumer watchdog banned imports of sweets from the Roshen factory belonging to Ukrainian billionaire Petro Poroshenko, now front runner in a presidential election due on May 25.

The watchdog cited health concerns for the ban, saying a carcinogenic substance had been found in Roshen's chocolate.

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The document pinpointed one political movement in Ukraine that could help influence opinion, Ukrainian Choice led by Viktor Medvedchuk, a one-time adviser to Ukraine's former President Leonid Kuchma. Putin is godfather to one of Medvedchuk's children.

On Ukrainian Choice's website, Medvedchuk is sometimes critical of the roles of the United States and European Union in the crisis that has followed Yanukovich's fall and Russia's annexation of the Crimea region. He denies being pro-Russian.

In a statement to Reuters, he said Ukrainian Choice was pro-democracy. One of its founding principles was the "decentralization of power followed by the transition to a federal structure, while maintaining the territorial integrity and unity of Ukraine".

Russia too has spoken in favor of a "new federal constitution" for Ukraine, a system which would strengthen regional governors, possibly allowing Moscow to retain its influence in Ukraine's industrial east.

In response to questions from Reuters, Medvedchuk denied he was a go-between for Russia in Ukraine. He said he always had Ukraine's interests at heart and had nothing to do with the document.

"At this level all politicians are independent and act on the basis of their understanding of the public interest," he said.

Even so, a former intelligence source, who was present during conversations involving Ukrainian officials with close contacts to Moscow, said Russia had hoped Medvedchuk would become the savior when Yanukovich suppressed what it saw as inevitable protests.

But the protests came sooner than Russia expected and Moscow's plans changed. In November 2013 thousands of Ukrainians took to the streets angered by Yanukovich's decision to spurn closer ties with the European Union in favor of Moscow.

At this time, according to two sources in Ukraine's political and security apparatus, two of Putin's close allies took charge of "Project Ukraine", designed to spread the message that many Ukrainians would lose out if the country looked West.

Vladislav Surkov, a Putin aide, cultivated ties in Crimea, and Sergei Ivanov, Putin's chief of staff, took over Ukrainian operations, the sources said. The Kremlin declined to comment. Surkov and Ivanov did not respond to a request for comment.

NO NEED TO SET FOOT
With Russia's interests entrenched in Ukraine, many of those interviewed doubted whether Russia, which has massed troops at the border, needed to cross into Ukrainian territory to fuel the uprising in its east, where two regions have voted for self-rule.

The chaos in eastern Ukraine may already have achieved many of Putin's aims.

The Kremlin denies playing any role in the uprising.

Mykola Malomuzh, director of Ukraine's foreign intelligence service for five years until 2010, said Russia's target now was the presidential election - to have it postponed or make it impossible to be seen as legitimate.

"Putin has a network of his own among the special services, pro-Russian organizations, and the old regime which wields incredible influence through the mafia-type organizations which dominate the economy here," said Malomuzh, who is also running for president on May 25.

He suggested pro-Russian forces were already trying to influence the front runners in the election or lobby for its delay, although this could not be independently confirmed.

"If there's no legitimate leader who the people believe in, with whom to hold talks .... there will be no leader enough in control to move towards Europe," he said.

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Mustafa Dzhemilev, Rights Activist, 70 years old, Kyiv: Rules of Life

“I have some very stupid dreams: for example that I am arguing about something with Saddam Hussein.”

Since early childhood I knew that we had been vilely evicted from the Crimea, and that the Soviet government is not good.

In Uzbekistan, propaganda work had been carried out – they are bringing Crimean tatars, traitors of their Motherland, because of whom your fathers and grandfather had died, your children, your brothers and sisters. When we were getting off the trains, stones were thrown at us. Later, however, they came to their senses, started thinking: what kind of traitors are they – there are women, children on the station.

When Stalin died, they made us stand in line in the morning. Everyone cried – both the children and the teachers. Only one boy, Rishat Bekmambetov, who was a leader among us, said: “Guys, look. Everyone is crying, except for us, Crimean Tatars. I brought onions from home, let’s rub it on our eyes, or our parents will get arrested.”

At the lineup, the deputy headmaster started talking about the “great leader” with a tragic tone, however he couldn’t finish his phrase, he started crying. I then thought: “He’s acting. Father said that Stalin, the dog, had died, and the deputy headmaster is lamenting so much as if the end of the world had come.” When the deputy headmaster fled the lineup in hysterics, I wasn’t too lazy to follow him. I saw him walk into an empty classroom, he was beating his head against the wall and crying.

My parents told me a lot about their native village of Ai-Serez. There, every rock had its own name, and the sea splashed almost against the houses. However in reality Ai-Serez is located within seven kilometres of the sea.

They expelled me from university with a lot of pomp: they summoned me to the united assembly of the deans, deccans and the party-comsomol activists. Formally the accused me of publicising among the students the machine-typed text called “Brief historical outline of the culture of the Crimea in 13-18th centuries.” The outline was qualified as highly nationalistic and anti-Soviet. I told them: “Just read the title! In the thirteenth and eighteenth centuries there had been none of your Soviet government!” I tried to argue within my limit of power, I was thrown out into the corridor, and five minutes later invited into the dean’s office. I come in – and there is a state security colonel sitting next to the dean. Such a strange thing: at the discussion there had been no such colonel, when I was sitting in the corridor, he did not pass me by. It seemed as though during the discussion he had been standing behind a curtain. The dean says: “If you refuse your views and write a statement that henceforth you will be a normal Soviet person, we will consider whether to let you stay or not.” I answered: “So as not to engage you in deep thought, just tell me, when can I take my documents.” I turned to the KGB colonel and added: “Congratulations with yet another victory over the counter-revolution.” I was so enraged that I was afraid I would hit him. And he hissed in my wake: “Vermin.”

When someone lives in the same place for a long time, they inevitably grow accustomed to it, it becomes a home. But I have no such feelings for Uzbekistan: for me, it is associated with the Tashkent prison – as soon as I was arrested, they took me there in the first place. The attitude there was quite vile. I have seven convictions – some of them I served in Russia, however I sat quite a lot in Tashkent too.

I was taken for the first time for refusing to serve in the Soviet army. I was just among loving people and then lo and behold – a dark cell. The space was overcrowded, the faces were dark. I am walking around the cell, worried, and one prisoner is lying on the bed: “Compatriot, why are you running around? Go to your place, you’re not letting me rest!” I knew that everything depended on how you behave yourself in the first moment: if the cell sees your fear, there will be no life. I approach this lying prisoner, and he is twice my size, his fingers outstretched. I shout: “Did you say that to me? You’ll rest at home, you goat! This is not a resort for you!” I learned the local customs very well in advance.

I went hungry for ten months. You don’t eat anything for a week, then a doctor comes, touches you. If you are near death and there is a corpse stench from your mouth, they start force-feeding you. The jailer hold your hands, and the medics open your mouth, they put a tube into it, and pour in nutritional fluid through a funnel. I understood quickly that I shouldn’t resist, or they would knock out my teeth or pour in boiling water to burn my gastric tract.

Hunger is a monotonous process. A single cell, force-feeding once every eight days. They leave a piece of sausage in the cell – so that you break and start eating.

In Omsk prison I was afraid I wouldn’t be able to take it. I always had a razor for such cases – taking into account that I would always be able to slit my wrists. During one of the searches the razor was discovered. For me it became a real tragedy: I no longer had a backup way out.

The prisoners in the cell played dominoes frequently. Once they played that the loser would have to pour boiling hot water on the guard. There was one guard there, by the nickname of Khrushchev, quite dishonourable in character. Other guards walked around the corridors in shoes, and until they reached your cell, you would manage to hide everything prohibited. And Khrushchev approached the cell in socks and then ratted you out. For lunch they didn’t give soup, but hot water with vegetables. Khrushchev, as opposed to other guards, did not just put the soup into the “feeder,” but also stuck his face in after it. This is when the loser poured water on him. He screamed like a pig! The guards run in: “Who did it?” The cell has twenty-six people. Everyone is called one by one, they reached me. I come into the office, some young devil is sitting there, an investigator: “How are you? How’s life? Would you like to walk free on parole?” “Who doesn’t?” I answer. “So,” he tells me, “if you help us, then we will help you. Maybe someone has drugs, or, for example, thoughts of fleeing?” I answer: “Compatriot, are you trying to recruit me as a rat? How many denouncements would I have to write for you to free me? Write me a letter: how many denouncements I need to write, or you will fool me, and one smart person said that only fools believe plain words.” He told me: “What kind of idiot told you this?” “Lenin,” I answer. “Volume 22, page 315. You should have found out what I’m in for before recruiting me as a rat.”

In Soviet times all of your sentences were reflected, ricocheting against your family. It’s easier for you to serve your sentence, than for your wife to bring packages, with the constant please to get a meeting. As opposed to your family, you don’t have to listen to the rudeness of the policemen. You cannot prohibit your family from bringing things, they will bring them regardless.

I married in exile, in Yakutia. My bride came to me as a Decabrist – she was in our movement, we met as pen pals. At first she sent me information, then I asked her to send me her photograph, and then I invited her over to gather mushrooms. My wife then joked: “I would have fallen in love with you because you went hungry for three hundred and three days. And when I came to Yakutia I saw that you have to be cooked for every day.”

When my wife says, “I don’t know what to cook for you,” I always answer: “If you don’t know – make chebureki.”

When I flew to the Crimea for the first time in 1973, a girl was sitting next to me on the plane. In the airport she asked me: “How do you like our Simferopol?” And I answered: “And how do you like our Crimea?”

During my first visit I did not appreciate the treasures of the Crimea as much as the supervision of the KGB.

Moscow is denying that I will no longer be let into the Crimea, but in Simferopol airport I was given a paper: “Prohibition on entry on the territory of Russia for five years.” That made me laugh: I came back from your Russian Magadan twenty-six years ago and I am not going back to you. Who would have guessed that the Crimea would become Russia and it would be taken away from me.

I have some very stupid dreams: for example, I am arguing about something with Saddam Hussein.

I spent about half an hour talking on the phone with Putin. He asked us not to become a weapon of provocation and for there not to be bloodshed in the Crimea. I said that our points of view coincide, nobody wants bloodshed in the Crimea. As to the provocations, for their prevention it would be smart to remove the Russian army from the Crimea and hold talks with the leadership of the Mejlis. Putin reacted very interestingly: “I did not expect a different answer from you. Any honest person, a patriot of their country, has to answer just like you did. But let’s hold a referendum, find out the opinion of the Crimean people.” My attempts to explain that there is no such thing as Crimean people by themselves, but there is an indigenous population – the Crimean Tatars, which would never acknowledge a referendum and would boycott it, led to nothing.

I am religious, of course, but to come to the mosque five times a day – that’s a no. I can rarely come on Friday, and of course on holidays. But I did the Umrah thrice to Saudi Arabia. I remember that when I came to the Kaabah for the first time in 1996, our representative said: “Mustafa-aga, when someone sees the Kaabah, they have to say their most sacred wish to Allah, and it will definitely come true.” Later he asked me: “What did you ask of the Almighty, if this is not a secret?” I answered: “I asked Allah for national-territorial autonomy within Ukraine.” “Mustafa-aga, what have you done?” he cried.

As of lately I cannot read books – mostly the press or the Internet. I read the majority of my books in Lefortovo. Every day a new book. There was a rich stolen library there. Sometimes ex-libris’ of the shot owners were found on the pages.

For a long time it seemed to me that I had forgotten how to cry. Before in 1992 in one of the self-constructed houses next to our mosque, a gas tank blew up. Two children died in the fire. We came from the Mejlis, I walked on the ashes. The children had long been taken away, and suddenly I discovered a burnt school notebooks. I don’t remember this myself, but my friends said: “As soon as you started leafing through this notebook, tears started pouring from your eyes.”

I did not make big mistakes in my life. -Esquire.ru

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Oekra�ense nationalist vormt guerrillagroep

Dmitri Jarosj, de leider van de rechtsradicale Oekra�ense beweging Pravi Sektor (Rechtse Sector), heeft twee groepen gewapende vrijwilligers samengesteld.

Die moeten in het oosten van Oekra�ne een guerrillaoorlog tegen pro-Russische separatisten gaan voeren.

Jarosj zei dit zaterdagavond laat tijdens een debat in Kiev over de presidentsverkiezingen van 25 mei in Oekra�ne. Hij zei dat Kiev zich niet moet neerleggen bij afscheiding van de oostelijke regio's Donetsk en Loehansk. Jarosj riep de Oekra�ense strijdkrachten op leiders van de pro-Russische groepen ''fysiek te liquideren''.

Ook zei hij dat Kiev zich niet moet neerleggen bij de annexatie van de Krim door Kiev. ''Het is noodzakelijk om daar voor destabilisatie te zorgen'', zei Jarosj. ''Want de Krim was Oekra�ens en zal dat moeten blijven.''

Rusland vaardigde in maart een arrestatiebevel uit tegen Jarosj. Hij wordt verdacht van het aanzetten tot terrorisme. Hij zou hebben opgeroepen de gasleidingen van Rusland in Oekra�ne te saboteren.

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AP twitterde op maandag 19-05-2014 om 10:22:05 BREAKING: Kremlin says President Putin has ordered troops near Ukraine to return to their home bases. reageer retweet

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Op maandag 19 mei 2014 10:29 schreef JimmyJames het volgende:

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AP twitterde op maandag 19-05-2014 om 10:22:05 BREAKING: Kremlin says President Putin has ordered troops near Ukraine to return to their home bases. reageer retweet

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De nadenkende mens snapt natuurlijk meteen dat alle commotie over de anti-islamsticker van Wilders een wondermiddeltje is om de PVV van een monsterzege bij de aanstaande Europese verkiezingen af te houden. De sticker is inmiddels al oude koek, maar de koektrommel werd nog even aan het vroegmiddeleeuwse regime van Saoedi-Arabi� gepresenteerd, zoals destijds Balkenende over de heg met zijn megafoon richting moslimlanden Fitna komt eraan! stond te tieren. En dat in de hoop dat de angst voor een economische boycot de Nederlandse kiezers ervan zou weerhouden op de PVV te stemmen.

Maar als een handelsboycot werkelijk een angstvisioen is, dan zou Frans Timmermans niet richting Riyad moeten reizen om de export van de linksdraaiende yoghurt te verdedigen, maar stande pede naar Moskou moeten reizen, want de teller van de export naar Saoedi-Arabi� staat op nog geen 2 miljard euro, de export naar de Russen op maar liefst 7 miljard euro.

Toen Hans van Baalen in Kiev de Nederlandse export in gevaar bracht met zijn anti-Russische knuistjes en het voltallige kabinet zich vervolgens man- en vrouwmoedig inzette voor bonje met de Russen, gingen zij een flink stuk verder dan Wilders met dat reepje groen. Wilders vertegenwoordigt niet de regering, is slechts onderdeel van de oppositie en maakt dus rechtmatig gebruik van zijn recht op de vrijheid van meningsuiting.

Rutte heeft zonder instemming van de Nederlandse bevolking, willens en wetens de werkgelegenheid in de waagschaal gesteld en dus de economie die net uit een dal trachtte te klauteren, schade toegebracht door het illegale regime van Oekra�ne, inclusief de nationaalsocialisten van Svoboda, moreel en materieel te steunen.

Partijen die het haat zaaiende Saoedi-Arabi� strelen en tegen Rusland haat zaaien, brengen ernstige schade aan de toch al slechte gezondheid van de Nederlandse economie toe.

Met de verkiezingen van het Europees parlement voor de kiezen, verdient het optreden van Rutte II inzake de toenemende staat van ellende met Rusland het daarom in fel opflikkerend neonlicht op het Nederlandse electoraat neer te dalen

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Op maandag 19 mei 2014 10:02 schreef deelnemer het volgende:

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Volgens de titel is dit footage van Slviansk van 19 mei (maar uploaded op Youtube op 18 mei)

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Catherina_News twitterde op maandag 19-05-2014 om 14:54:08 TT @ygfront: Clashes in outskirts of #Donetsk Fights at roadblock near #Mariinsky. Exact # of victims unspec http://t.co/3tFigojdyG #Ukraine reageer retweet

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EuroMaidanFranc twitterde op maandag 19-05-2014 om 14:52:04 Enqu�te du Service de S�curit� d'#Ukraine sur les �v�nements tragiques � #Odessa: 32 personnes sont mortes intoxiqu�s par le Chloroforme. reageer retweet

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RT_com twitterde op maandag 19-05-2014 om 14:33:35 Traces of chloroform detected at scene of #Odessa tragedy - #Ukraine Interior Ministry http://t.co/VEWkRrxJ8e reageer retweet

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Op maandag 19 mei 2014 12:16 schreef deelnemer het volgende:

. Als alles ondergeschikt is aan het groepsgedrag dat ten grondslag ligt aan marktwaarden, regeert de middelmatigheid en de waan van de dag.

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Op maandag 19 mei 2014 12:16 schreef deelnemer het volgende:

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Ik vind de suggestie, dat alleen economische voordeel de God is die men moet aanbidden, ongeacht welke standpunten daarvoor omarmd moeten worden, getuigen van een grenzeloos opportunisme die al heel lang kenmerkend is voor Nederland handelsland.

Als je alleen maar uit bent op je voordeel, ben je pas echt onbetrouwbaar voor anderen en manipuleerbaar door anderen. Met dat hoerige gedrag dwing je bij niemand respect af.

Het is schadelijk voor de ontwikkelingen in Nederland, want het streven naar waarden (wetenschappelijk, humaan, artistiek) wordt er structureel door ondermijnt. Als alles ondergeschikt is aan het groepsgedrag dat ten grondslag ligt aan marktwaarden, regeert de middelmatigheid en de waan van de dag.

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Op maandag 19 mei 2014 21:47 schreef deelnemer het volgende:

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Ik heb geen inzake in het plannen van de EU. Of hier sprake was van een staatsgreep weet ik niet. Velen, die dat ook niet kunnen beoordelen, zullen het zo noemen. Labelen is waar framing om draait.

Maar ik sluit niet uit, zonder de term staatsgreep te hoeven gebruiken, dat de EU een agenda heeft die gericht is op haar uitbreiding, en deze actief bevorderd. Maar de komende decennia is Oekraine nog niet rijp voor een feitelijke toetreding.

De reactie van Rusland is niet vanzelfsprekend onze schuld. Het idee van soevereine naties staat haaks op het idee supermachten en invloedssferen. Als Oekraine een soevereine staat is, dan kan Rusland wel een blauwtje lopen, maar dat rechtvaardigt geen inmenging / dwang.

Dan zou ik eerder de VS verdenken, dan de EU. De VS spreekt wel van soevereine landen, maar tevens rechtvaardigen zij hun inmenging door te wijzen op de Amerikaanse belangen die op het spel staan. In dat geval valt heel West-Europa binnen de invloedssfeer van de VS, en handelen wij hier niet autonoom (dwz onafhankelijk van de VS).

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VS ziet geen terugtrekking Russen bij grens Oekra�ne

Niets wijst erop dat de Russische regering haar militairen bij de grens met Oekra�ne heeft teruggetrokken. Dat heeft een woordvoerder van het Witte Huis maandag gezegd.

Het Kremlin deelde maandag mee dat het de troepen in de grensstreek had opgedragen naar hun kazernes terug te keren.

Woordvoerder Jay Carney zei dat de VS het zou weten en ook bekend zou maken als de Russen zich daadwerkelijk terugtrekken.

Hij benadrukte dat het niet de eerste keer is dat de Russische president Vladimir Poetin de terugtrekking van de troepen aankondigde. De NAVO zei eerder maandag ook al geen bewijzen te hebben gezien dat de Russen terug zijn naar hun bases.

De naar schatting veertigduizend Russische troepen waren volgens het Kremlin in het gebied voor eerder geplande militaire oefeningen.

Volgens het Westen probeert Moskou de Oekra�ense regering, die het aan de stok heeft met pro-Russische separatisten in het oosten van het land, onder druk te zetten.

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Ukraine Defines Captured Russian Journalists as “Terrorist” Spies

(FINNBAY-ANSA) – Kiev, 19 May 2014. A Ukrainian security official on Monday said two Russian reporters for LifeNews were “not journalists” but spies for “terrorist groups”.

Ukrainian Security Council Deputy Secretary Victoria Siumar added that the Russian reporters would be “treated as foreseen by the law”. The Russian embassy in Ukraine had called for the “immediate release” of the reporters, Oleg Sidiakin and Marat Saicendo, who were captured in Kramatorsk on Sunday by Ukrainian government troops, the Russian news agency Interfax reported Monday.

Russian Foreign Minister Serghei Lavrov asked the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe (OSCE) to intervene for the journalists’ release.

Video: Russian troops re-deploy to base after Ukraine border drills

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Ukrainian Soldiers Captured a Group of Terrorists


Within the antiterrorist operation near Kramatorsk Ukrainian soldiers managed to capture a number of terrorists who introduced themselves as Russian journalists. This information was confirmed by the Director of the Center for Political and Military Studies Dmytro Tymchuk.

“Ukrainian soldiers received information regarding preparation of the attack on airfield near Kramatorsk from a portable antitank missile launcher. Within the antiterrorist operation Ukrainian soldiers managed to capture the antitank launcher itself as well as a number of terrorists. Two of them introduced themselves as Russian journalists. They happened to have a TV camera and were filming the positions of Ukrainian armies and their preparation for the operation,” said Dmytro Tymchuk.

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Wer hat auf die Demonstranten in Kiew geschossen? - Monitor 10.04.2014

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Op donderdag 15 mei 2014 16:48 schreef SadPanda het volgende:

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En zo zijn er 300.000 mensen staatsloos in Letland omdat ze Russisch zijn, maar liefst 13% van de bevolking.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-citizens_(Latvia)
En de EU doet ook daar niks aan.

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Op maandag 19 mei 2014 23:13 schreef meth1745 het volgende:
Veel russische bronnen die verhaal van gearresteerde Russische journalisten brengen, dit is de enige niet-Russische bron die ik zie, al is niet-Russich relatief..

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ITAR-TASS: Russian journalists systematically detained in Ukraine — embassy
Group of Russian VGTRK journalists leave Ukraine on Kiev authorities' demand
Ook berichten in Russische media dat de OSCE de vrijlating eist, maar daar zie ik niets van op de OSCE site. (wel een algemeen bericht, niets over deze specifieke journalisten).

Terugtrekking van Russische troepen?

Video: Russian troops re-deploy to base after Ukraine border drills

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Op dinsdag 20 mei 2014 10:25 schreef HD9 het volgende:

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ze kunne toch een EU paspoort aanvragen ??
net als andere vluchtelingen ??

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Op dinsdag 20 mei 2014 10:54 schreef SadPanda het volgende:

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Nee, ze moeten eerst Lets leren.

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lennutrajektoor twitterde op dinsdag 20-05-2014 om 10:47:00 КОРД 6П60 12.7mm MG is not exported anywhere, even not to #India. Only manufactured & issued for #Russian army. http://t.co/NcWdWF8Rqj reageer retweet

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di 20 mei 2014, 12:19


'Massaprotest tegen separatisten Oekra�ne'

KIEV - De rijkste man van Oekra�ne, Rinat Achmetov, roept op tot massaal protest tegen de pro-Russische separatisten.
De kolen- en staalmagnaat, die zo'n 300.000 mensen op zijn loonlijst heeft staan, heeft zijn werknemers opgeroepen dinsdagmiddag vreedzaam te protesteren totdat „de vrede is hersteld”.

Rinat AchmetovFoto: TLG
Achmetov, die vroeger goede vriendjes was met de afgezette, pro-Russische president Viktor Janoekovitsj, keert zich nu tegen de pro-Russen die het oosten van Oekra�ne willen losweken van Kiev. Volgens hem dreigt er een 'genocide' door mensen die niet representatief zijn voor de bevolking.

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Op dinsdag 20 mei 2014 12:20 schreef deelnemer het volgende:

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Het woord 'Junta' geeft aan, dat de bron van dit bericht de Rada in Kiev beschouwd als illegitiem. Dat zij bovendien gifgas inzet tegen de burgerbevolking klinkt nog extremer. Eerdere meldingen in dit topic, dat er 32 dodelijke slachtoffer zijn door het gebruikt van gifgas, lijkt helemaal waanzinnig. Ik zou deze info zien als stuitende propaganda.

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Op dinsdag 20 mei 2014 12:57 schreef Zith het volgende:

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lennutrajektoor twitterde op dinsdag 20-05-2014 om 10:47:00 КОРД 6П60 12.7mm MG is not exported anywhere, even not to #India. Only manufactured & issued for #Russian army. http://t.co/NcWdWF8Rqj reageer retweet

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The concerns over accidental explosions were evident here in Ichnya, where firefighting equipment was neatly arranged near the gate and laborers hacked at saplings and thigh-high grass, removing material that might kindle flame or block the passage of the depot's armored fire trucks.

Throughout the depot, which consists of 47 warehouses and 47 house-size stacks of ammunition, the military has erected 80-feet-high lightning rods to divert lightning from ammunition stores. At least two of the rods have been struck, said the depot commander, Col. Oleksandr Bogdan.

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Ukrainian officials suspect the existing security has been thwarted, as recently as last winter, when two manpads are thought to have been stolen from a depot in the Crimea. The losses were not the first. "We have had several cases when manpads disappeared," Mr. Polyakov said.

He added that these missiles, because of the dangers they pose, were guarded more closely than most other munitions. He also noted that the government did not disclose which depots had stockpiles, or how many missiles Ukraine possessed in all, other than to say there are at least 10,000. "We want not to provoke too much interest," he said.

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Tuesday, August 30, 2005

DONETSK, Ukraine – U.S. Senators Dick Lugar (R-IN) and Barack Obama (D-IL) called for the immediate destruction of 15,000 tons of ammunition, 400,000 small arms and light weapons, and 1,000 man-portable air defense systems (MANPADS) or shoulder missile launchers that are often sought by terrorists.

Lugar and Obama toured the Donetsk State Chemical Production Plant, a conventional weapons destruction facility where the U.S. has taken the lead in a three-year NATO program to destroy the weapons. Another 117,000 tons of ammunition and 1.1 million small arms and light weapons are slated for destruction within 12 years.

So far, the U.S. has contributed $2.1 million to the project, and Austria, Bulgaria, Luxembourg, Lithuania, Netherlands, Norway, Slovakia, Switzerland, and the United Kingdom have contributed $1.2 million.

While the destruction is ready to begin, the Ukrainian Rada (parliament) first must pass a law exempting the foreign assistance from taxation. Lugar and Obama discussed this issue with Rada Speaker Volodymyr Lytvyn, Prime Minister Yuliya Tymoshenko and President Viktor Yushchenko in meetings yesterday. All three leaders indicated they would promote action before the March 2006 parliamentary elections.

The visit underscores the importance of legislation Lugar and Obama have authored that would commit additional U.S. resources and expand authorities in cooperative threat reduction of conventional weapons around the world. The bill is part of the Foreign Relations Authorization Bill that is pending in the Senate and will be introduced as a free-standing bill by the senators this fall.

“We discussed MANPADS, landmines and other very highly dangerous explosives. Ukraine has huge stockpiles leftover from previous times that are dangerous to people of this country as well as the possibility for proliferation to other countries,” Lugar said. “We are working to obtain funds to secure and destroy these weapons in cooperative threat reduction. We are encouraging the U.S. and Ukraine to work together and to obtain more funds. We came here to see the problem and the solution with our own eyes.”

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Flashback: Senator Obama pushed bill that helped destroy more than 15,000 TONS of ammunition, 400,000 small arms and 1,000 anti-aircraft missiles in Ukraine


As a U.S. senator, Barack Obama won $48 million in federal funding to help Ukraine destroy thousands of tons of guns and ammunition – weapons which are now unavailable to the Ukrainian army as it faces down Russian President Vladimir Putin during his invasion of Crimea.

In August 2005, just seven months after his swearing-in, Obama traveled to Donetsk in Eastern Ukraine with then-Indiana Republican Senator Dick Lugar, touring a conventional weapons site.

The two met in Kiev with President Victor Yushchenko, making the case that an existing Cooperative Threat Reduction Program covering the destruction of nuclear weapons should be expanded to include artillery, small arms, anti-aircraft weapons, and conventional ammunition of all kinds.

After a stopover in London, the senators returned to Washington and declared that the U.S. should devote funds to speed up the destruction of more than 400,000 small arms, 1,000 anti-aircraft missiles, and more than 15,000 tons of ammunition.

Many of the artillery shells shown in photographs from Donetsk, multiple weapons experts told MailOnline, would be the same types of ammunition required to repel advancing Russian divisions as they advanced to the west, had they not been destroyed.

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Op dinsdag 20 mei 2014 07:02 schreef Synthercell het volgende:
Uiteindelijk is overbevolking het probleem van conflicten en oorlogen, te weinig leefruimte terriroria.
Oorlogen zorgen voor meer ruimte voor de overlevenden.
Want zo primitief is de mens nog altijd.
Zelfbewustzijn duurt nog wat eeuwtjes, zowel bij machthebbers als bevolkingen, overleving is oud en dus primitief (niemand kan het helpen, nog te weinig zelfbewustzijn in de mensheid)

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Op dinsdag 20 mei 2014 16:45 schreef DUTCHKO het volgende:

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Mogen jullie wel uitkijken in Nederland.

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Op dinsdag 20 mei 2014 17:48 schreef SadPanda het volgende:
Ukrainian MPs call for immediate troop withdrawal from country’s east
http://rt.com/news/160224-ukraine-troops-withdrawal-constitution/

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Strategische overeenkomst Rusland en China

Rusland en China, ooit twee rode bolwerken die een haat-liefde verhouding met elkaar hadden. Na het uiteenvallen van de Sovjet-Unie zoeken de twee buurlanden elkaar steeds nadrukkelijker op. Vandaag sloten ze een strategische overeenkomst over energie, transport en infrastructuur. Maar de langverwachte deal over gasleveranties van Rusland aan China, daar staan nog geen handtekeningen onder.

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Ukraine’s military and pro-Russian separatists face shortcomings in their fight in restive east

KRAMATORSK, Ukraine — At a frontline post near pro-Russian rebels, a Ukrainian military unit gave off a vibe that did not exactly convey a readiness to fight.

One soldier — without helmet, flak jacket or rifle — stood off to the side of the unit’s roadblock to sun himself as a line of vehicles waited to pass. Other soldiers hung out laundry. Then came a burst of machine-gun fire just east of the checkpoint and an awkward dash for helmets, flak jackets and weapons.

Ukraine talks mark the start of tenuous negotiation: A day after Ukrainian troops suffered their single heaviest loss of life against pro-Russian separatists in an ambush attack, Ukraine’s interim leaders began discussions on national unity amid grandstanding and accusations in Kiev.

The disorder on the road to rebel-held Slovyansk on a recent afternoon underscored the severe challenges facing Ukraine as it seeks to regain control of its restive east — even as the momentum of the conflict may have begun to shift.

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Russia firm about size of Ukraine’s gas debt, though eases up on schedule

Russia insists that Ukraine has to pay off $3.5 billion of gas debt which is counted on the basis of $485 price for the thousand cubic meters, said Russian Prime Minister Dmitriy Medvedev in an interview with Bloomberg on May 20. However, Russia agrees to reschedule the payments if Ukraine asks for it.

“We aren’t saying they have to pay $3.5 billion all at once, but give us a timetable for paying off these debts, especially since Ukraine has just received a tranche from the IMF, and both the Americans and Europeans have promised loans,” he said.

Medvedev’s comments echoed remarks made earlier this month by Russian Energy Minister Alexander Novak, who stated clearly that Russia expected part of Ukraine’s IMF loans would go toward paying off its gas debts.

Ukraine’s Ministry of Energy, however, has indicated it is unwilling to pay after Russia in April raised the price Ukraine pays for gas by over 80 percent, to $485 per 1,000 cubic meters. By comparison, the new Ukrainian price is 18 to 25 percent higher than what Germany and Italy pay Gazprom, according to Interfax newswire.

However, Ukraine agreed to pay the debt if it is counted on the basis of $285 price which was effective in the first quarter of the current year.

Medvedev addressed this imbalance, indicating that in the long-run, he believes the Ukrainian price will be “fair and totally comparable to the price of European supplies.”

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Staking Claims in Ukraine's Upcoming Presidential Election
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Then I finally came upon the Poroshenko booth.

When I asked the people why they were voting for him they simply replied, there is no one else to vote for–there are no other real candidates. Poroshenko is leading in the polls with his pitch to create more jobs. Fundamentally, Ukrainians want to restart their economy and move forward. Poroshenko’s vision of a no visa regime and no restrictions to trade and travel will create the Ukraine of the future they said.

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UNHCR says internal displacement affects some 10,000 people in Ukraine

GENEVA, May 20 (UNHCR) – The UN refugee agency on Tuesday said the tension in Ukraine had displaced an estimated 10,000 civilians and added that the number of people affected was continuing to rise.

"A needs assessment has recently been completed and we are working closely with local authorities, other UN agencies and NGO partners to help those who are most affected. So far this includes providing legal assistance, integration grants for 150 families, cash assistance for 2,000 people, and improved shelters for 50 families," UNHCR spokesman Adrian Edwards told journalists in Geneva.

He said the displacement in Ukraine started before the March referendum in Crimea, that led to that region joining Russia, and has been rising gradually since. Registration numbers are being compiled on the basis of data UNHCR is receiving from local authorities.

Among the affected population are people who have been displaced twice – first from Crimea, and then again from the eastern part of the country. Most of those displaced are ethnic Tatars, although local authorities have also reported a recent increase in registrations of ethnic Ukrainians, Russians and mixed families.

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Op dinsdag 20 mei 2014 21:51 schreef J.B. het volgende:

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Dat zijn ze niet, het gaat om dit apparaat (6P60):
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Enige verschil is dat dat ding op het einde van de loop vierkant is i.p.v. rond, maar dat is op die foto net slecht te zien (hoewel de bovenkant wel plat lijkt) en daarbij komt dat het waarschijnlijk verwisselbaar is.

Ополченцы подбили БТ� нацгвардии между Славянском и Краматорском

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Poetin en Ban Ki-moon eens over oplossing crisis Oekra�ne

De Russische president Vladimir Poetin en secretaris-generaal van de Verenigde Naties Ban Ki-moon zijn overeengekomen dat de crisis in Oekra�ne alleen met politieke middelen kan worden opgelost.

Dat heeft Bans woordvoerder dinsdag bevestigd. Beide leiders pleiten voor een 'alomvattende politieke dialoog'.

Ban en Poetin spraken elkaar op een tweedaagse Aziatische veiligheidstop in Shanghai. Ban prees de naderende Oekra�ense presidentsverkiezingen als 'een mogelijkheid om een duurzame vrede en stabiliteit in het land te bevorderen'.

De heren spraken ook over Syri� en andere grootschalige conflicten. Ook in Syri� pleitten zowel Poetin als Ban voor een politieke oplossing.

twitter:

EuromaidanPR twitterde op dinsdag 20-05-2014 om 23:03:59 InteriorMinistry launched a web site-map elections-related violations across #Ukraine http://t.co/g98ZIozDcJ |EMPR http://t.co/Y1bUdGtx5F reageer retweet

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Russia Today British reporter detained in Ukraine
British reporter Graham Phillips who is working with the Russia Today television company, has been detained in Ukraine, the television company said on its website on Tuesday.

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UK Embassy probing arrest of journalist Phillips in Ukraine
The British Embassy in Moscow is ready to provide consular support, if need be, in relation to the detention of British journalist Graham Phillips in Ukraine.

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Allegiances wane after Ukraine killing
Village woman's roadside execution highlights escalating tension between civilians and armed groups.

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Putin yet to seal gas deal on China visit, wins support on Ukraine

SHANGHAI (Reuters) – China and Russia failed to sign a $400 billion gas supply agreement on Tuesday, despite growing urgency for the Kremlin to seal a deal as it faces economic and political isolation in the West over the crisis in Ukraine.

Negotiators from both countries have been unable to bridge differences on price, a spokesman for Russian President Vladimir Putin said in Shanghai, meaning that the contract was not signed on Tuesday as many in the industry had predicted.

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Op woensdag 21 mei 2014 09:11 schreef J.B. het volgende:
De prijs die de Chinezen willen betalen is ook een stuk lager dan Europa betaalt, gezien de huidige ontwikkelingen betreft het gemeenschappelijke energiebeleid zal Poetin de bui al zien hangen: Europa wil ook die lage prijs. Logisch dus dat hij vooralsnog niet tekent, mogelijkerwijs treden er echter nieuwe ontwikkelingen op waardoor dat akkoord alsnog getekend zal worden.

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Op woensdag 21 mei 2014 11:15 schreef J.B. het volgende:

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Ik denk dat de urgentie nog te laag is voor de prijs die de Chinezen willen, er wordt niet voor niks al 10 jaar onderhandeld. Pas als de grond echt te heet onder de voeten wordt zal Poetin tekenen vermoed ik.

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Op woensdag 21 mei 2014 11:15 schreef J.B. het volgende:

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Ik denk dat de urgentie nog te laag is voor de prijs die de Chinezen willen, er wordt niet voor niks al 10 jaar onderhandeld. Pas als de grond echt te heet onder de voeten wordt zal Poetin tekenen vermoed ik.

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Mwah, als de VS ook die terminals zou bouwen is Rusland met de huidige gasprijzen zijn geld door de wc aan het spoelen, lijkt me niet dat ze daarop zitten te wachten.

Edit: volgens wiki zijn de Amerikanen dat dus ook van plan: The United States has had a massive shift in LNG terminal planning and construction starting in 2010-2011 due to rapid increase in domestic supply with the widespread adoption of hydraulic fracking. Many brand-new LNG import terminals are planning or have begun addition of liquefaction facilities to operate as export terminals, at the cost of billions of dollars each.

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Op woensdag 21 mei 2014 11:26 schreef deelnemer het volgende:

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Oekrainse gasprijs was $268.5 per 1000 m³ = 7.6 mmBtu

twitter:

ria_novosti twitterde op woensdag 21-05-2014 om 11:41:15 BREAKING: Russia's Gazprom, China's CNPC sign long-term contract on Russian gas deliveries to China reageer retweet

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Op woensdag 21 mei 2014 11:38 schreef J.B. het volgende:

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Maar die $5 a $6 zal ook gelden voor Rusland, dus dan ligt het nog altijd voor de hand om de Amerikanen te kiezen voor het leveren van LNG, daar doelde ik dus op

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Op woensdag 21 mei 2014 11:59 schreef deelnemer het volgende:

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Ja, maar ik ga uit van 35.3 mmBtu per 1000 m³ gas
In Oekraine vragen ze nu ineens $13.75 / mmBtu

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Op woensdag 21 mei 2014 12:17 schreef meth1745 het volgende:

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Uiteindelijk is een nieuw gascontract nodig, benieuwd wat de onderhandelingen zullen opleveren...

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Op woensdag 21 mei 2014 11:43 schreef deelnemer het volgende:

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Nee, dat denk ik niet. Het russische gas wordt niet vloeibaar gemaakt. Er moet wel pijpleiding aangelegd worden. De kosten voor de pijpleiding zal Rusland op eigen grondgebied voor zijn rekening nemen.

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Op woensdag 21 mei 2014 15:48 schreef deelnemer het volgende:
Al Jazeera Ukraine liveblog

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Misschien dat deze late bijdrage aan de sancties ook verklaarbaar is dmv tijdzones.

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A Critical Election in Ukraine

It is risky to see hopeful trends in the Ukrainian crisis. But a degree of calm seems to have settled over the rebellious southeast, which may bode well for the presidential election scheduled for Sunday. There are many things Moscow and its minions in Ukraine can still do to derail the election, of course, but President Vladimir Putin of Russia has refrained from publicly endorsing the “people’s republics” proclaimed by secessionists.

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Prince Charles's Putin remarks threaten to reignite tensions in Ukraine

The timing of the prince's comments apparently likening Putin to Hitler couldn't be worse, ahead of Ukraine's presidential elections on Sunday

There are times, and this is one of them, when the Prince of Wales seems to have made the transition from heir to the throne to flaky elder statesman without actually stopping to do the job to which he was born. His conversation in Canada with a former Polish refugee, when he reportedly compared Vladimir Putin's actions over Ukraine to Adolf Hitler's march across Europe, represents his latest dubious sortie into public affairs

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Deshchytsia: 'Ukraine election a chance to renew ties to Russia'

Ukrainian acting Foreign Minister Andriy Deshchytsia expects Russia to recognize whoever wins this weekend's election. He also told DW that he thinks he will live to see Ukraine join the European Union.

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Signs of Russian move from Ukraine border

WASHINGTON (CNN) -The United States has seen the first preliminary signs that Russian forces may be preparing to move away from the border with Ukraine, a U.S. defense official told CNN.

"There is some evidence of preparations for potential movement," the official said. "At a few locations there is evidence of troops packing up, but nothing has moved yet."

The official declined to be identified because of the sensitivity of the information. The official also declined to specify the locations and emphasized actual movement has not yet occurred.

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Op donderdag 22 mei 2014 12:29 schreef deelnemer het volgende:

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Zie post 133.

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Op donderdag 22 mei 2014 14:58 schreef deelnemer het volgende:
Het dodental is inmiddels 14.

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'Tientallen doden bij gevechten Oost-Oekra�ne'

Zo'n vijfhonderd pro-Russische separatisten zijn vrijdag in het oosten van Oekra�ne slaags geraakt met militairen. Daarbij zijn twintig pro-Russische strijders omgekomen.

Dat zegt het Oekra�ense ministerie van defensie.

De gevechten vonden donderdag plaats buiten het dorp Roebizjne toen een konvooi van Oekra�ense militairen door rebellen werd aangevallen, zei het ministerie.

Bij een ander gevecht in hetzelfde gebied vond volgens het ministerie vrijdag ook een militair de dood.

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Paramilitairen
Verslaggevers van persbureau AP troffen bij een uitgebrand caf� in het plaatsje de lijken van twee soldaten aan. Inwoners van Karlivka beweren dat regeringsgezinde paramilitairen er de stellingen van pro-Russische strijders hadden aangevallen.

Ook in Slovjansk houden de vijandelijkheden aan. Het Oekra�ense leger nam er wraak voor salvo's van de pro-Russische bezetters van de stad en schoten verscheidene huizen in puin. Of er ook slachtoffers zijn gevallen is niet bekend.

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Op zaterdag 24 mei 2014 00:32 schreef deelnemer het volgende:
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Karlovka. Aftermath of fatal gun battle. 23.05.2014 (Donetsk oblast)

twitter:

pravolivo twitterde op vrijdag 23-05-2014 om 16:47:31 All hostages from battalion Donbas captured by Bezler's fighters tday near #Karlivka r dead - chief comdr Semenchenko http://t.co/EaJN95ZyZX reageer retweet

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Op vrijdag 23 mei 2014 19:56 schreef JimmyJames het volgende:
http://www.reuters.com/ar(...)dUSBREA4M0J020140523

Volgens mij doen we nu zo stoer omdat we dondersgoed weten dat Poetin niks zal doen om de verkiezingen te verstoren. Waarom zou hij op dit punt?

Kunnen we onszelf achteraf op de borst kloppen dat we indruk op Poetin hebben gemaakt

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Op zaterdag 24 mei 2014 07:48 schreef Gabrunal_2013 het volgende:

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het is wel een beetje gek. Alsof Rusland er iets aan kan doen dat ze er in Oekraine een puinhoop van maken met die verkiezingen.

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Op zaterdag 24 mei 2014 07:48 schreef Gabrunal_2013 het volgende:

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het is wel een beetje gek. Alsof Rusland er iets aan kan doen dat ze er in Oekraine een puinhoop van maken met die verkiezingen.

Van elke onregelmatigheid in Oekraine zal Rusland de schuld krijgen, de havikken in Europa en de VS willen zwaardere sancties tegen Rusland, maar wachten nog op het excuus dat er zeker zal komen. want die verkiezingen kunnen onmogelijk op een eerlijke manier verlopen en Rusland zal hoe dan ook de schuld krijgen, ongeacht de aard van de onregelmatigheden.

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Op zaterdag 24 mei 2014 08:01 schreef TLC het volgende:

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Rusland is juist de veroorzaker, de bron van alle ellende

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Op zaterdag 24 mei 2014 08:01 schreef TLC het volgende:

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Rusland is juist de veroorzaker, de bron van alle ellende

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Op zaterdag 24 mei 2014 09:27 schreef michaelmoore het volgende:
en die regio Donetsk is straatarm

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Op zaterdag 24 mei 2014 09:27 schreef michaelmoore het volgende:
Mooie hoeren daar dat wel

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Op zaterdag 24 mei 2014 07:48 schreef Gabrunal_2013 het volgende:

de havikken in Europa en de VS willen zwaardere sancties tegen Rusland

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Op zaterdag 24 mei 2014 15:25 schreef haags_kwartiertje het volgende:
Is die crisis daar nu nog steeds niet afgelopen.
Je hoort er ook weinig meer over in de media...

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Op zaterdag 24 mei 2014 15:30 schreef Romanus het volgende:

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Het is zelfs erger geworden, er vallen nu volgens mij wekelijks doden