Palestina & Israël #92

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Op dinsdag 11 september 2012 18:38 schreef moussie het volgende:

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Nee, waarom zou ik hogere straffen moeten willen in totaal andere situaties? Waarom zou ik iemand langdurig in de gevangenis willen stoppen als ik denk dat zowel hij alsook de maatschappij op de langere duur beter af zijn met bvb behandeling? Ik wil geen wraak, ik wil een gepaste straf binnen het kader van het daarvoor toepasselijke recht ..

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Op dinsdag 11 september 2012 08:23 schreef Peunage het volgende:
Wat is er raar aan als landen compensatie eisen voor schade die ze geleden hebben?
Duitsland betaalt sinds WO2 al miljarden euro's schadevergoeding aan een voorheen niet-bestaande staat in het MO. Maar landen die er echt onder geleden hebben krijgen niks? Ik denk dat Griekenland en Polen ook beiden recht hebben op 3 Dolphin onderzeeërs elk. Net als dat ene staatje.

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Op dinsdag 11 september 2012 23:14 schreef Kees22 het volgende:

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Oh? Heb je daar bronnen van?

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Op dinsdag 11 september 2012 18:46 schreef mossad_agent het volgende:

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Precies. Staat genoteerd....ik hoop dat je het dus ook in andere zaken kunt volhouden. Dus een gepaste straf voor bepaalde activiteiten.

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Op donderdag 13 september 2012 19:18 schreef Peunage het volgende:

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The first two (Dolphin and Leviathan) were fully donated by Germany and the third (Tekumah) was paid for halfway by Israel. During the first Gulf War, German firms were accused of helping Iraq with its chemical weapons program, which led to protests in both Germany and Israel."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolphin_class_submarine

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Keen to atone for its Holocaust history, Germany has in the past partially financed major Israeli military acquisitions.

In 2006, it agreed to cover up to a third of the cost of an Israeli contract for two German-built Dolphin-class submarines. Israel already has three Dolphins, acquired at deep discounts.
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http://www.reuters.com/ar(...)dUSGEE5AN12E20091125

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Op vrijdag 14 september 2012 00:11 schreef sp3c het volgende:
dit is trouwens vooral steun van de staat aan de wapenindustrie, op het moment dat de Israeli's voor een andere fabrikant kiezen is Duitsland ineens niet meer zo keen to attone for it's holocaust history met bv een zak geld om die andere subs te betalen

en geen Duitser durft er wat van te zeggen want: holocaust

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Israeli police shut down, attempt to raid Palestinian school in East Jerusalem

Israel Police yesterday shut down a Palestinian school in East Jerusalem for a period of a week. The school has over 1,200 students between the ages of 12 and 18 years old. The police justified their actions to the students and teachers by voicing suspicion that stones were thrown at settlers by students from the school. +972 magazine learned from students and teachers that the school doesn’t allow students to throw stones from the school, but they cannot monitor students outside the school. It is unreasonable and unrealistic, a teacher said, “to be held responsible for individual students’ actions outside the parameters of the school.”

Earlier in the day, stones were thrown in the At-Tur neighborhood at settlers, and one of them was hit. The police arrived immediately to the scene and launched an attack at the school, suspecting that students were involved in the stone-throwing. Residents from the neighborhood and teachers clashed with the police and stopped them from storming the school and arresting students. According to eye witnesses, the police resorted to punishing the teachers by issuing traffic violations and parking tickets to them upon leaving the school.

+972 magazine talked with some of the parents who refused to identify themselves or their children because of fear of retaliation from the police. One of the parents described a phone call he received from his son: ”I received a horrifying call from my son whose voice was shaking, he said he can’t leave the school and it is besieged by police. My son was terrified that he would be arrested or killed. He was begging me to get him out of school.”

Collective punishment against Palestinian communities and schools is not a new policy of the Israeli police. Throughout the First Intifada in the late 1980s, similar actions were taken to shut down universities and schools. However, this strategy never succeeded in stopping protests or stone-throwing during the First Intifada. The opposite process happened, with more people becoming active in protesting the occupation.

The police action raises another question regarding their response to stone-throwing at settlers. In an incident that I wrote about last month, a Palestinian beaten by Israeli Jews was barely given any attention by the police. The Palestinian community in Jerusalem is convinced that the Israeli police have double standards when it comes to dealing with violence. When a Palestinian throws a stone, it must be stopped at any price, but when a Jew does the same or worse, it is a minor incident that poses no danger.

This incident comes only few days after Palestinian Israelis commemorated the killing of 13 Palestinians citizens of Israel by police twelve years ago. Unfortunately, many Palestinians under Israel’s rule don’t believe that any lessons have been learned since then. Palestinians don’t believe the premise that the police is fair and doesn’t discriminate according to race or religion.

Closing the school for a week is an unjustifiable decision. First, such an action will not stop youth from throwing stones. On the contrary, they are now free with no school, homework, or activities to participate in. Throwing stones might become even more attractive to students who haven’t done so before. Additionally, attacking a school in this manner causes trauma to teenagers who may suffer from it for years to come. Such trauma could affects the decisions and actions of hundreds of young people. In conclusion, police behavior is counterproductive to their goal of putting an end to stone-throwing. Violence generates more violence and the Palestinian teenagers who encountered the police attack on their school are likely to remember this incident with bitterness and rage.

Lady Bird Johnson said that “children are likely to live up to what you believe of them.” If the police treats these children as terrorists or criminals, they could grow up as such. Schools should always be off-limits to police attacks, and collective punishment against children should never be tolerated.

Palestinian children in Jerusalem see growing number of extreme settlers moving into their neighborhood. They watch them take their land and enjoy superior rights and better infrastructure. These children are living the consequences of the occupation. They see injustice carried against their community on daily basis. Violence and collective punishment will not bring a resolution or peace. The solution is to end the occupation, not to terrify children.

As Nelson Mandela said, “We owe our children, the most vulnerable citizens in our society, a life free of violence and fear.” This is true for Palestinian children just as it is true for Israeli children. It is unacceptable that Palestinian parents have to send their children to schools not knowing if they will come home that afternoon or spend it in an Israeli jail. It is not acceptable that a mother has to convince a child to go to school every morning because he is afraid of the police, as is the case in many families. This is not a normal life, nor does it make Israelis safer when Palestinian children live in trauma and fear.

Perhaps my vision for the future is too naive, but I keep dreaming of a society that respects all humans regardless of race or religion. If that is too much then at least we must expect that children enjoy basic human rights and not be treated as criminals. Is too much to ask that Israeli police officer see a Palestinian 12-year-old child the same way he sees a Jewish one? Mother Teresa put it best when she said, “It’s the greatest poverty to decide that a child must die so that you may live as you wish.”

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Op zondag 7 oktober 2012 14:01 schreef Papierversnipperaar het volgende:

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Op vrijdag 14 september 2012 00:11 schreef sp3c het volgende:
dit is trouwens vooral steun van de staat aan de wapenindustrie, op het moment dat de Israeli's voor een andere fabrikant kiezen is Duitsland ineens niet meer zo keen to attone for it's holocaust history met bv een zak geld om die andere subs te betalen

en geen Duitser durft er wat van te zeggen want: holocaust

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Op maandag 8 oktober 2012 01:10 schreef DeParo het volgende:

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Waarom zouden ze er iets van zeggen, Israël levert gewoon kwaliteit, kijk naar het Turkse leger waar je nog steeds meer dan voldoende Israëlisch materiaal vindt.

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Op maandag 8 oktober 2012 04:36 schreef sp3c het volgende:

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huh?

dat heeft ook echt helemaal niets te maken met wat ik zei

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Op maandag 8 oktober 2012 06:34 schreef DeParo het volgende:

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Nou ja, wel iets, hoe dan ook Israel betaalt gewoon en wordt gezien als een bondgenoot er is geen reden om dan af te wijken omdat er een paar critici zijn die dat niet zien zitten.

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Op maandag 8 oktober 2012 12:39 schreef sp3c het volgende:

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nee helemaal niets

geen woord in die post ging over Israel en de kwaliteit van het Israelische materiaal

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Op dinsdag 9 oktober 2012 01:34 schreef DeParo het volgende:

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Je weet best dat het ergens op sloeg, namelijk exact jouw laatste zinnetje, aanvankelijk dacht ik dat je bedoelde de omgekeerde transportroute maar dat heb ik dan ook hierboven veranderd wat weinig af doet aan mijn centrale punt zo.

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Op dinsdag 9 oktober 2012 04:17 schreef sp3c het volgende:

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waarom is het zo enorm moeilijk voor je om toe te geven dat je fout zit?

je hebt niet goed gelezen, je post sloeg helemaal nergens op, klaar ... nobody cared
dat je blijft volhouden vind ik toch wel een beetje vreemd hoor

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Op dinsdag 9 oktober 2012 04:40 schreef sp3c het volgende:
ik heb het over feit dat de holocaust word gebruikt/misbruikt de verkapte staatssteun van de Duitse overheid voor de onderzeebootbouwer, ik gok zelfs dat er sprake is van oneerlijke concurrentie ook en geen Duitser die er wat van zegt vanwege die voorgenoemde holocaust

( bijna) niemand vraagt zich af of dat belastinggeld wel of niet beter besteed kan worden in andere takken van sport

jij begint vervolgens over de kwaliteit van het Israelische materiaal in het Turkse leger

de twee posts hadden echt helemaal niets met elkaar te maken

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Op dinsdag 9 oktober 2012 04:48 schreef DeParo het volgende:

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Flauwekul, dat was een voorbeeld om aan te tonen dat andere landen, zoals Turkije, waar het minder voor hand zou liggen ook lucratieve contracten hebben met Israel, wat gebaseerd is op bijvoorbeeld kwaliteit of het hoogste bod. Ik neem aan dat je dat toch nog wel kon begrijpen uit dat kleine stukje.

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Op dinsdag 9 oktober 2012 04:50 schreef sp3c het volgende:

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het is een onbegrijpelijk irrelevant stukje dat helemaal niets met de quote in kwestie te maken had

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EU urged to re-think trade deals with Israeli settlements in West Bank

Report accuses EU of hypocrisy for condemning settlements as illegal while simultaneously buying vast quantities of exports

The European Union imports around 15 times more produce from Israeli settlements in the West Bank than Palestinian products, despite its consistent condemnation of Israel's settlement policy as illegal under international law, according to a report.

Based on figures supplied by Israel to the World Bank, the estimated value of settlement imports to the EU is $300m (Ł187m) a year. The comparative figure for Palestinian produce is less than $20m. "With more than 4 million Palestinians and over 500,000 Israeli settlers living in the occupied territory, this means the EU imports over 100 times more per settler than per Palestinian," says Trading Away Peace: How Europe Helps Sustain Illegal Israeli Settlements, published by a consortium of 22 organisations across Europe.

Imports include agricultural produce, such as dates, grapes, avocados, herbs, and citrus fruit; cosmetics using Dead Sea minerals marketed under the Ahava brand; and SodaStream domestic carbonation devices.

Many settlement goods are misleadingly labelled "Made in Israel". The report calls on retailers to provide clear and accurate labelling to allow consumers to make informed choices.

"Europe says settlements are illegal under international law and yet continues to trade with them," said William Bell of Christian Aid UK and Ireland, one of the consortium partners. "Consumers are unwittingly contributing to the injustice by buying products that are inaccurately labelled as coming from Israel when in fact they are from settlements in the West Bank."

Other UK organisations behind the report include the Methodist church, Medical Aid for Palestinians, Quaker Peace and Social Witness, and the Council for Arab-British Understanding.

The report draws attention to a "discriminatory two-tier system" in the West Bank, under which settler businesses have the advantage of free movement unhindered by checkpoints and the security barrier, and greater access to land and water resources. In the Jordan Valley, where huge Israeli agricultural businesses are geared towards export, the settler population of fewer than 10,000 uses a quarter of the total amount of water consumed by 2.5m Palestinians living in the West Bank, it says.

It points out that the EU is the Palestinian Authority's biggest donor, allocating $677m last year. It cites a World Bank estimate that if Israel lifted its restrictions on Palestinian agriculture, the Palestinian economy would no longer need to depend on foreign aid.

"The EU spends hundreds of millions of euros in aid each year to support Palestinian state building but then undermines this assistance by trading with illegal settlements, thus contributing to their viability and expansion," said Phyllis Starkey, a trustee for Medical Aid for Palestinians.

Settlement growth has accelerated in the past two years, since the end of the temporary construction freeze brokered by the US. According to the report, "the settler population is growing at a much faster rate (an average of 5.3% annually over the last decade) than the Israeli population as a whole (1.8%)".

It cites the EU's position that Israeli settlements in occupied Palestinian territory are "illegal under international law, constitute an obstacle to peace and threaten to make a two-state solution impossible". Yet in practice, says the report, the EU is sustaining the settlement project.

It recommends that the EU, as a minimum measure, adopts the UK and Danish policy of encouraging correct consumer labelling of settlement produce. In 2009, the UK issued voluntary guidelines advising retailers that produce from the West Bank should be clearly marked "Israeli settlement produce" or "Palestinian produce". According to the report, "the guidelines … appear to be observed by major supermarkets" and most "have decided to stop sourcing own-branded food products from the settlements".

The EU should also discourage businesses from economic, commercial and investment links with settlements, the report concludes.

It also suggests the EU could, as a more comprehensive measure, ban the import of settlement goods. This, it adds, "is not a ban or boycott on trade with Israel, which the signatories to this report do not advocate".

It points out that the EU, as Israel's leading trading partner, receives 20% of total Israel exports. Settlement exports represent approximately 2% of total exports.

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Op maandag 8 oktober 2012 00:21 schreef Kees22 het volgende:
Ik was op zoek naar iets heel anders en kwam in het Utrechtsch Nieuwsblad in 1946 of 1947 een bericht tegen over een joodse aanslag op een station in Jeruzalem.
Een joods meisje (de leeftijd werd niet genoemd) had een tas met een bom erin geplaatst in een station in Jeruzalem. Daarna was ze gevlucht in een auto met twee joodse mannen erin.
De Britten hebben de auto nog achtervolgd en een Britse explosiedeskundige heeft geprobeerd de bom te ontmantelen.
Maar dat was niet gelukt.

Het bericht in de krant was schokkend nuchter, zoals in die tijd gebruikelijk.
Ik zal kijken of ik een link of een plaatje kan plaatsen, maar dat maakt natuurlijk niet veel uit.
De staat Israel is gebaseerd terreur en machtsmisbruik.

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Op dinsdag 30 oktober 2012 01:37 schreef Papierversnipperaar het volgende:

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Op dinsdag 30 oktober 2012 12:44 schreef Disana het volgende:

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Eveneens:

http://www.joop.nl/leven/(...)n_met_israel_etiket/

'De kolonisten verdienen zo elk jaar ruim 230 miljoen euro aan export naar Europese landen, terwijl Palestijnen met export naar Europa slechts 15 miljoen euro binnenhalen.'

Aan die misleiding moet maar eens gauw een einde komen.

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Op dinsdag 30 oktober 2012 13:17 schreef DeParo het volgende:

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Ik zou niet weten waarom, nogmaals, er is geen enkele duidelijkheid wat die Palestijnen met dat geld doen.

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Het risico is er dat het wordt uitgegeven aan wapens en dergelijke