quote:'President Assad is de duivel die we kennen'
Uit beduchtheid voor 'the devil you don't know' ontziet de wereld andermaal een Syrische president Assad.
Wie nog dacht dat de Syrische president Bashar al-Assad een minder hardvochtig heerser is dan zijn vader Hafez, die weet nu beter. Zondagochtend liet hij het leger de stad Hama binnentrekken, waarbij de tanks voluit vuurden. Het resultaat: minstens vijftig doden, honderden gewonden.
Er schuilt een tragische symboliek in het feit dat juist in Hama alle geweldsregisters werden opengetrokken. De naam van deze stad is voor altijd verbonden met de massaslachting die Assad senior er in 1982 liet aanrichten om een soennitische opstand de kop in te drukken. Berichten over wat er was gebeurd, drongen destijds pas geleidelijk door tot de buitenwereld, die er nauwelijks consequenties aan verbond: Assad was een belangrijke speler in het Midden-Oosten, hij was 'the devil you know'.
Dankzij de moderne communicatiemiddelen kunnen de gebeurtenissen in Syrië niet meer zo vergaand aan het oog worden onttrokken als vroeger. Maar de geslotenheid van het land maakt het nog steeds moeilijk precies te achterhalen wat er gaande is. En tot op zekere hoogte is Assad jr. net als zijn vader 'the devil you know': er is gebrekkig zicht op wat er allemaal gist onder de etnische en religieuze lappendeken die Syrië is.
Vandaar dat ook nu het internationale protest tegen het gewelddadig optreden van het bewind-Assad aan de behoedzame kant is gebleven. Maar Syrië is nu vier maanden in de greep van het geweld, het dodental ligt al boven de 1.500, niets wijst erop dat de oppositie zich het zwijgen laat opleggen, noch dat het bewind een ander antwoord heeft dan brute repressie. Het wordt steeds onzinniger om Assad nog te ontzien uit angst voor 'the devil you don't know'.
quote:Key events in Syria's protest movement:
Nov 12 - The Arab League gives Syria three days to end its violent crackdown on anti-government protesters and implement an Arab peace deal or face suspension from the regional body.
Nov 9 - Syrian protesters pelt four opposition leaders with eggs outside Arab League headquarters in Cairo, preventing them from entering the building for talks. The protesters were apparently against the men agreeing to a dialogue with the government.
The UN says country runs risk of Libyan-style civil war as troops desert to back protesters.
Nov 8 - The UN said "more than 60" people had died in the central city of Homs since the announcement of the Arab League ceasefire plan.
Nov 2 - The Syrian government accepts several measures suggested by the Arab League aimed at halting the violence in the country, including the removal of tanks and armoured vehicles from the streets, the release of prisoners, and allowing the Arab League and media access to report on the situation.
Nov 1 - NATO Secretary-General Anders Fogh Rasmussen rules out the possibility of military intervention in Syria.
More at http://www.aljazeera.com/(...)111113440490791.html
Dan ben je nog niet medeplichtig aan de misdaden die een ander begaat. Zo werkt het natuurlijk niet. Daarnaast is het maar de vraag of "ingrijpen" zin heeft. Er zijn nu in een jaar tijd tienduizend (semi-officieel getal, plus nog wat) doden gevallen, dat zijn er tienduizend te veel, maar hoe gaat het helpen als je nog meer mensen doodt?quote:Op zaterdag 25 februari 2012 13:09 schreef Papierversnipperaar het volgende:
Op dit moment door niet in te grijpen vanwege een veto in de veiligheidsraad.
Klopt. En die invasie, die tot miljoenen slachtoffers heeft geleid, was toch verkeerd?quote:Voor de invasie van Irak hadden ze ook geen mandaad van de VN nodig.
Hypocrisie.quote:
Als jij een moordenaar wapens verkoopt en toe gaat staan kijken, ben je medeplichtig.quote:Op zaterdag 25 februari 2012 13:13 schreef Monidique het volgende:
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Dan ben je nog niet medeplichtig aan de misdaden die een ander begaat. Zo werkt het natuurlijk. Daarnaast is het maar de vraag of "ingrijpen" zin heeft. Er zijn nu in een jaar tijd tienduizend (semi-officieel getal, plus nog wat) doden gevallen, dat zijn er tienduizend te veel, maar hoe gaat het helpen als je nog meer mensen doodt?
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Vanwege de redenen en de methoden (geld en leugens), niet vanwege het ontbreken van een mandaad.quote:Klopt. En die invasie, die tot miljoenen slachtoffers heeft geleid, was toch verkeerd?
Ik snap echt niet waar je het over hebt, het is zeker een soort geheimtaal, want het lijkt op gebrabbel. Geld en leugens van wie zijn verantwoordelijk voor wat? Het Westen had, net als bij Irak, moeten binnenvallen en dan hopen dat het wat oplevert?quote:Op zaterdag 25 februari 2012 13:14 schreef Papierversnipperaar het volgende:
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Vanwege de redenen en de methoden (geld en leugens), niet vanwege het ontbreken van een mandaad.
De enige hypocrieten zijn de Arabische landen. Dat hebben we wel meegemaakt in Libië.quote:
Dat zijn de enige hypocrieten? Het Westen is niet hypocriet, Rusland is niet hypocriet, Afrika is niet hypocriet? Alleen Arabieren zijn hypocriet? Wat is dat nou voor semi-racistisch leugentje?quote:Op zaterdag 25 februari 2012 13:18 schreef Stephen_Dedalus het volgende:
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De enige hypocrieten zijn de Arabische landen. Dat hebben we wel meegemaakt in Libië.
Irak had geen massavernietigingswapens. Ze vielen Irak niet binnen omdat Saddam een dictator was, maar omdat hij de belangen van de VS niet langer diende.quote:Op zaterdag 25 februari 2012 13:15 schreef Monidique het volgende:
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Ik snap echt niet waar je het over hebt, het is zeker een soort geheimtaal, want het lijkt op gebrabbel. Geld en leugens van wie zijn verantwoordelijk voor wat? Het Westen had, net als bij Irak, moeten binnenvallen en dan hopen dat het wat oplevert?
Je springt van de hak op de tak. Wat hebben de motieven voor de Amerikaanse agressie tegen Irak, en dat zijn er wat mij betreft wel meer dan "belangen niet meer dienen", te maken met de vraag in hoeverre het Westen medeplichtig is aan het geweld in Syrië? Wat had het Westen moeten laten?quote:Op zaterdag 25 februari 2012 13:21 schreef Papierversnipperaar het volgende:
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Irak had geen massavernietigingswapens. Ze vielen Irak niet binnen omdat Saddam een dictator was, maar omdat hij de belangen van de VS niet langer diende.
De huidige onrust in het MO komt van de bevolking zelf die verandering wil, en je moet er alles aan doen om ze te helpen.
Nee, westerse landen zijn niet hypocriet, we zijn nooit vriendjes met Syrië geweest. Syrie is altijd de bondgenoot van Iran geweest. Bij de Kolonel lag dat heel wat anders.quote:Op zaterdag 25 februari 2012 13:19 schreef Monidique het volgende:
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Dat zijn de enige hypocrieten? Het Westen is niet hypocriet, Rusland is niet hypocriet, Afrika is niet hypocriet? Alleen Arabieren zijn hypocriet? Wat is dat nou voor semi-racistisch leugentje?
Ik heb het over een bredere context. Niet alleen Syrië.quote:Op zaterdag 25 februari 2012 13:28 schreef Stephen_Dedalus het volgende:
Nee, westerse landen zijn niet hypocriet, we zijn nooit vriendjes met Syrië geweest.
In Libië hebben de Arabieren wel troepen en wapens gestuurd, dat noem ik geen terugkrabbelen.quote:Ik neem de Arabieren omdat als het puntje bij paaltje komt ze niet over de boeg komen met effectieve militaire steun. Wel een grote bek maar zodra de bommen in Syrië begonnen te vallen krabbelden ze al terug. Dat zullen ze nu weer doen als het Westen militairen sturen.
Die paar vliegtuigen die CAP vlogen? Het waren de fransen en engelsen die alle bombardementen uitvoerden en daarvoor kregen ze meteen kritiek van de Arabische liga.quote:Op zaterdag 25 februari 2012 13:31 schreef Monidique het volgende:
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Ik heb het over een bredere context. Niet alleen Syrië.
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In Libië hebben de Arabieren wel troepen en wapens gestuurd, dat noem ik geen terugkrabbelen.
Nee, Arabische staten hebben troepen of special forces op de grond gehad en wapens gestuurd.quote:Op zaterdag 25 februari 2012 13:32 schreef Stephen_Dedalus het volgende:
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Die paar vliegtuigen die CAP vlogen? Het waren de fransen en engelsen die alle bombardementen uitvoerden en daarvoor kregen ze meteen kritiek van de Arabische liga.
Jammer dat Assad je mooie vakantiebestemming naar z'n grootje bombardeert.quote:Op zaterdag 25 februari 2012 13:20 schreef roos94 het volgende:
Syrie is echt een super land, ben er zelf twee keer geweest
Jij wilt Assad helpen het naar z'n grootje te bombarderen, toch?quote:Op zaterdag 25 februari 2012 13:43 schreef Papierversnipperaar het volgende:
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Jammer dat Assad je mooie vakantiebestemming naar z'n grootje bombardeert.
Irak bewijst dat je uitstekend kan ingrijpen zonder mandaad. Maar dat word niet gedaan voor mensen, maar voor bedrijven. Als het om mensen gaat kan er zogenaamd niets. Dat is de leugen, de hypocrisie.quote:Op zaterdag 25 februari 2012 13:23 schreef Monidique het volgende:
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Je springt van de hak op de tak. Wat hebben de motieven voor de Amerikaanse agressie tegen Irak, en dat zijn er wat mij betreft wel meer dan "belangen niet meer dienen", te maken met de vraag in hoeverre het Westen medeplichtig is aan het geweld in Syrië? Wat had het Westen moeten laten?
Omdat IK ook het westen ben, ik ik wil niet hypocriet zijn. Ik wil niet medeplichtig zijn aan massamoord vanwege geld en powerplay.quote:Op zaterdag 25 februari 2012 13:33 schreef Monidique het volgende:
En waarom zou het Westen niet hypocriet zijn?
Ik wil Assad zelf naar zijn grootje bombarderen.quote:Op zaterdag 25 februari 2012 13:44 schreef Monidique het volgende:
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Jij wilt Assad helpen het naar z'n grootje te bombarderen, toch?
En was dat zo'n goed iets, die Amerikaanse agressie tegen Irak?quote:Op zaterdag 25 februari 2012 13:45 schreef Papierversnipperaar het volgende:
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Irak bewijst dat je uitstekend kan ingrijpen zonder mandaad. Maar dat word niet gedaan voor mensen, maar voor bedrijven. Als het om mensen gaat kan er zogenaamd niets. Dat is de leugen, de hypocrisie.
Jij bent het Westen niet en jij bent niet medeplichtig aan wat er in Syrië gebeurt. Misschien wel, dan zou ik daar inderdaad maar mee stoppen, maar ik ben in ieder geval er niet aan medeplichtig.quote:Op zaterdag 25 februari 2012 13:46 schreef Papierversnipperaar het volgende:
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Omdat IK ook het westen ben, ik ik wil niet hypocriet zijn. Ik wil niet medeplichtig zijn aan massamoord vanwege geld en powerplay.
Door "in te grijpen", toch? Dat houdt bombardementen en oorlog in, een intensivering van de opstand, uitbreiding van het conflict naar andere delen van Syrië en misschien wel verder. Dat is wat jij wilt.quote:Op zaterdag 25 februari 2012 13:46 schreef Papierversnipperaar het volgende:
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Ik wil Assad zelf naar zijn grootje bombarderen.
Er was geen "popular uprising" in Irak. In het MO wel. Het is de bevolking zelf die in aktie komt. Irak was een solitaire aktie van de VS om hun eigen belangen veilig te stellen.quote:Op zaterdag 25 februari 2012 13:46 schreef Monidique het volgende:
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En was dat zo'n goed iets, die Amerikaanse agressie tegen Irak?
Nee, die volksopstand was jaren eerder al in de kiem gesmoord.quote:Op zaterdag 25 februari 2012 13:53 schreef Papierversnipperaar het volgende:
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Er was geen "popular uprising" in Irak.
Dan had de VS toen moeten ingrijpen. Maar toen kwam het ze zeker niet goed uit?quote:Op zaterdag 25 februari 2012 13:54 schreef Monidique het volgende:
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Nee, die volksopstand was jaren eerder al in de kiem gesmoord.
Dat was na de eerste golfoorlog? Toen hebben ze zich gewoon netjes aan het VN mandaat gehouden om Irak uit koeweit te verdrijven. Zo zie je maar weer, de VS kan toch nooit iets goeds doen, als ze zich aan de VN resoluties houden is het niet goed. Als ze zich niet aan de VN resoluties houden is het ook niet goed.quote:Op zaterdag 25 februari 2012 13:56 schreef Papierversnipperaar het volgende:
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Dan had de VS toen moeten ingrijpen. Maar toen kwam het ze zeker niet goed uit?
Het gaat ook niet om de resoluties, het gaat om het doel.quote:Op zaterdag 25 februari 2012 14:34 schreef Stephen_Dedalus het volgende:
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Dat was na de eerste golfoorlog? Toen hebben ze zich gewoon netjes aan het VN mandaat gehouden om Irak uit koeweit te verdrijven. Zo zie je maar weer, de VS kan toch nooit iets goeds doen, als ze zich aan de VN resoluties houden is het niet goed. Als ze zich niet aan de VN resoluties houden is het ook niet goed.
Het doel van de eerste golfoorlog was om Koeweit te bevrijden. Niet het regime van Saddam omverwerpen.quote:Op zaterdag 25 februari 2012 14:36 schreef Papierversnipperaar het volgende:
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Het gaat ook niet om de resoluties, het gaat om het doel.
Onzin. Het doel was Saddam te pakken. Hij vroeg bijna letterlijk of hij Koeweit mocht binnevallen en de VS hield z'n bek dicht.quote:Op zaterdag 25 februari 2012 14:40 schreef Stephen_Dedalus het volgende:
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Het doel van de eerste golfoorlog was om Koeweit te bevrijden. Niet het regime van Saddam omverwerpen.
twitter:SyriaParliament twitterde op zaterdag 25-02-2012 om 13:04:49Syrian state TV accuses Colvin and Ochlik of being terrorists, army spies or foreign intel. [Arabic]: ( http://t.co/Ww4yp8wT ) #Syria #Syrie reageer retweet
quote:Haniyeh’s speech was another sign of Hamas’ drift away from longtime backers Iran and Syria, as it finds new allies in the region. Hamas’ isolation has eased since its parent movement, the pan-Arab Muslim Brotherhood, gained political influence in the region, including in Egypt, in the wake of the Arab Spring uprisings.
quote:Arab World: 'Either Assad stays or we do'
IDLIB – A week ago, I traveled to Idlib province in Syria, to spend some time in the company of the Free Syrian Army. My intention was to gain an impression of this force – its unity, its strength – and whether the possibility that it could be the instrument to destroy President Bashar Assad’s regime was feasible.
Crossing over the mountains from Turkey with smugglers, I linked up with FSA members in the town of Bini’ish, deep in Idlib province, and spent the subsequent days in the company of the rebels. I spoke to them after their return from attacks on army positions, watched them maintain the roadblocks that guard the entry to the “free zones” and saw them guard the mass demonstrations that take place across Idlib every Friday.
The Assad regime’s war against its own people has been continuing for almost a year. The city of Homs is under daily bombardment by regime artillery. A humanitarian crisis is looming in Homs, with parts of the population denied access to food and medical attention.
Assad remains determined to pummel the revolt into submission.
In Idlib province, meanwhile, the precarious free zones carved out by the FSA and the civilian opposition defiantly await the coming attentions of the dictator.
The Assad regime no longer has any visible presence in these areas. The rebel flag flies everywhere.
But the regime’s agents are still present, and FSA and civilian activists know that the current balance cannot hold.
The rebels understand that they are now engaged in a war of attrition with the regime. Assad is sending his depleted forces from town to town to crush centers of revolt which spring up again once the army leaves. Assad knows he must completely extinguish the fire of revolt before his own forces grow too weak to do so.
THE FSA has gradually increased in importance in recent months, as it became clear that the Assad regime was not going to fade quietly, and thus the question – who was stronger, the regime or the protestors – became more central. What were the main impressions I gained from observing the FSA on the ground in Idlib, one of its heartland areas? My first observation was that the high quality and determination of many of the FSA fighters and officers was immediately apparent. The majority were recent deserters from Assad’s army, many from frontline infantry and armored units. The stories they told of the reasons for their defection were similar and similarly harrowing.
They described being ordered to shoot live ammunition at demonstrators, the presence of non Arabic- speaking personnel (Iranians) operating within Assad’s army units and terrible punishments – including execution – meted out to soldiers who refused to follow orders. In many cases, the FSA men had taken considerable risks to get away from the army and join the rebels.
Despite the odds against them, they appeared convinced of their eventual victory. “The regime has the heavy weapons,” one FSA officer in the town of Sarmin told me. “The people are with us...either Bashar [Assad] stays or we stay.”
Secondly, the absence of unity and a real chain of command was acutely apparent.
No one I met seemed to regard themselves as under the command or authority of the notional FSA leadership in Antakya, Turkey. In many ways, indeed, there is no single FSA. Rather, there is a collection of local militias, formed of a combination of army deserters and local men wanting to take up arms.
These militias are in contact, cooperate with one another and receive general directives. But each appears to regard itself as autonomous, and is mainly concerned with ensuring the integrity of its own area and the safety of the area’s civilian protestors.
My third impression was that the arms available to the FSA are basic, but not quite as basic as the “ragtag army with only Kalashnikovs” image might suggest. The AK-47 rifle is indeed the standard issue to all FSA fighters (who must purchase the rifles themselves if they do not already have them courtesy of Assad’s army). But the FSA units I saw also possess RPG-7s, heavy machine guns and mortars. They would not be able to resist a frontal assault from Assad’s forces on the free zones. But they would certainly be able to conduct a guerrilla campaign, should they elect to do so.
Lastly, I observed that the Syrian uprising is very much a sectarian affair, although the FSA activists prefer not to openly characterize it that way. Idlib is a very conservative, traditional Sunni province, and the FSA there is composed entirely of Sunnis.
Anger against the Alawites, on whom the regime relies for support, spills out at unguarded moments. The murderous “Shabiha” Alawite paramilitaries are an object of particular hatred.
The FSA fighters I spoke to said again and again that without arms from the West and the establishment of a buffer zone, the killing in Syria could continue “for years.”
Whether these calls will begin to be heeded by the West, as the carnage in Syria continues, is now the crucial question. A de facto international coalition stands behind Assad: Iran, well skilled in the art of suppressing civil revolt, is providing equipment and expertise. Russia continues to provide diplomatic cover and arms. Hezbollah, too, is lending manpower and expertise.
The FSA, from what I saw, possesses the raw material to become an effective and potent fighting force, and has the potential capabilities to protect the Syrian people from the rage of the dictator and challenge his rule. It does not yet constitute such a force, however.
The crucial variable will be whether the West begins to aid, advise and equip it – as Assad’s friends are doing for his regime. If so, the uprising has a chance. The outcome of the crisis in Syria may well now depend on this decision.
Hamas heeft zich duidelijk aangepast het afgelopen jaar. Goed nieuws voor de Palestijnen.quote:Op zaterdag 25 februari 2012 15:06 schreef zuiderbuur het volgende:
Assad blijft vrienden verliezen, Hamas neemt nu duidelijk afstand van Assad en steunt het protest:
http://www.washingtonpost(...)IQAZFs2XR_story.html
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CLF, ben je weer terug? lolquote:Op zaterdag 25 februari 2012 21:13 schreef ChristianLebaneseFront het volgende:
Dit laten ze natuurlijk niet zien op het NOS-journaal:
Zet dit ook maar even in de OP:
55 percent of Syrians support Assad
http://www.guardian.co.uk(...)d-western-propaganda
In God and Bashar we trust!
En dat is, zoals we allemaal weten, een vrijbrief voor een invasie.quote:Op zaterdag 25 februari 2012 14:57 schreef Papierversnipperaar het volgende:
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Onzin. Het doel was Saddam te pakken. Hij vroeg bijna letterlijk of hij Koeweit mocht binnevallen en de VS hield z'n bek dicht.
Verder aantallen gedode en gearresteerde journalisten over de wereld in 2010 en 2011.quote:Shoot the journalists: Syria's lesson from the Arab spring
The killing of the foreign correspondent Marie Colvin and the photographer Rémi Ochlik in the siege of Homs has led to growing international pressure on the regime of Bashar al-Assad
The media centre in the Homs suburb of Baba Amr is nothing more than a family house. Once it had four storeys and a satellite dish on the roof. Reporters, photographers and cameramen had been forced to move there after their previous bolthole came under attack.
Two weeks ago, the top of the house was reduced to rubble during a visit by a CNN television crew, who had placed their own dishes there to broadcast live footage. The assault continued until the dishes were knocked down.
If other evidence were needed that the building had been targeted, before the attack last week that led to the deaths of the Sunday Times correspondent Marie Colvin and the French photographer Rémi Ochlik, it was supplied by another of the group that travelled to Homs with them, Jean-Pierre Perrin, who described how the building's own dish had been peppered with sniper rounds.
Even after their deaths, the regime has continued to attack Colvin and Ochlik. Footage was shown on state television on Saturday of their bodies, accusing them of being "spies."
The regime of Bashar al-Assad has learned the lessons of the Arab spring when it comes to dealing with the media – both citizen journalists and international outlets. As the Committee to Protect Journalists noted in a 2011 report, the regime quickly "enforced an effective media blackout" as soon as the protests began last March.
It banned, arrested and expelled international journalists and detained local reporters who tried to cover the protests.
It disabled mobile phones, landlines, electricity, and the internet in cities where the protests broke out, and used violence to extract the passwords of social media sites from journalists, allowing the Syrian electronic army, a pro-government online group, to hack the sites and post pro-regime comments. "In April," the report continues, "al-Jazeera suspended its Damascus bureau after several of its journalists were harassed and received threats.
Three days after the brutal assault of the famed cartoonist Ali Ferzat in August, the government passed a new media law that 'banned' the imprisonment of journalists and allowed greater freedom of expression. It followed this by jailing several journalists. In November, cameraman Ferzat Jarban was the first journalist to be killed in Syria in connection with his work since the committee began keeping detailed records in 1992.
If Jarban was the first, he has not been the last. Gilles Jacquier, a French cameraman, was killed in Homs in January, while on a government sponsored press trip, a killing first blamed on opposition fighters but later blamed on the regime by two Swiss colleagues who accused the soldiers accompanying them of leading them into an "elaborate trap".
The regime went further. Those who had entered the country before, such as Anthony Shadid of the New York Times – who collapsed and died in Syria a few days before Colvin's death – were denounced on Syrian state television as "spies", while those visiting Homs illegally were warned that they would be killed by the regime.
Last week, all the evidence now suggests that the regime delivered on its promise, targeting not just the latest group of foreign reporters to visit Homs but also Rami al-Sayyed, a citizen journalist whose video link to Baba Amr had kept news of events in the city in the forefront of the world's attention.
The war in Syria has become not simply a conflict between a brutal regime and those who want to see it fall, but a war on information itself: a calculated desire to destroy the fractured opposition's centres and erase all knowledge of what happened.
On Friday the difficulties of reporting from Homs were reinforced in a series of tweets by Javier Espinosa of the Spanish newspaper El Mundo, who survived uninjured in the attack that killed and injured four colleagues, including Colvin, last week. He described drones flying overhead guiding the bombing of the suburb, saying: "I would love to interview who is launching the mortars right now. What he thinks when he is sending tons of shrapnel to kill people."
Asked to describe the drone, Espinosa said it was too dangerous to "get my head from where I am hiding".
Assad's war on the media, like that on his people, is unlikely to be successful in the long run. Journalists may have been pushed out of Syria, but it seems certain they will return yet more determined to tell the world what is happening.
As for the regime, Assad's ferocious tactics may be making short-term gains but in the long term the outcome is most likely to be the fall of his regime, the Chatham House thinktank said in the Political Outlook for Syria, a report last week. The question now is not if but when. And also in what circumstances.
As the "Friends of Syria" meeting ended in disarray in Tunis on Friday, it was not with suggestions about how to bring the violence to an end but amid threats from two key regional actors – Saudi Arabia and Qatar – who said that they supported military escalation against Assad. In doing so they have raised the terrifying spectre of a proxy war with Shia Iran, Assad's remaining regional ally, now that even Hamas has formally backed the uprising.
The remarks of the two countries – including a Saudi statement, before its delegation walked out of the conference, that arming the opposition was an "excellent idea" – came only hours after the disclosure by rebel sources that they were already receiving foreign arms and equipment.
The Saudi threat to arm the opposition has come amid increasing rhetoric from the US – including the US secretary of state Hillary Clinton's description of Russia's blocking tactics as "despicable". In a subtle shift in policy, US officials, quoted by the Washington Post, said that "steps toward arming the opposition were likely to become a reality the [US] would not oppose if the Syrian leader does not yield."
The Saudi intervention on Friday should not, perhaps, have been surprising. The day before, in a telephone call, King Abdullah told the Russian president Dmitri Medvedev in the bluntest terms that discussion on the issue was "useless", and criticised Russia for not co-ordinating with Arab states before vetoing a UN security council resolution. All of which appears to confirm the view of some regional analysts that Saudi Arabia decided some time ago that intervention was inevitable.
Another challenge facing the regime is not direct intervention by neighbours but an ever-growing isolation. The regime has been told that it is no longer welcome at the next Arab league summit in Baghdad. The move by Hamas, which for long kept its political bureau in Damascus, meant that there was now no Sunni group or government allied with the regime.
Russia too – despite its objection to intervention and its veto – in recent days has shown increasing frustration, calling for a ceasefire, although it has continued to supply weapons.
Few even among the closest observers of Syria have any certainty, however, of the endgame. The Chatham House report lists a menu of potential scenarios, from the survival of a deeply "embattled and unpopular" regime for several years, to a coup of Alawite officers against the Assad family, to various kinds of collapse that include a Yemen-style implosion.
And if the authors are cautious about predicting an outcome, they are deeply sceptical too about the opposition Syrian National Council. Britain and other governments recognised the council in Tunis on Friday as a "legitimate representative" of the Syrian people.
But the authors describe the group as "not necessarily representative of Syrians" and report concern that "it has focused excessively on wooing international support rather than building domestic strength". Overall, the message is clear, reinforced by the fallout from Tunis: the outcome in Syria is unpredictable and likely to be extremely messy.
None of this will bring comfort to civilians trapped in Syria by the fighting, or the two injured journalists, Paul Conroy of the Sunday Times and Frenchwoman Edith Bouvier, as they await evacuation from Homs.
While the Red Cross evacuated a small number of wounded women and children from the city on Friday, and was in negotiations on Saturday to bring out more, the attacks continued as the military took its bombardment of rebel-held Baba Amr into a fourth week.
Nadir al-Husseini, an opposition activist in the city, described desperate conditions in Baba Amr. "It would be good if they [the Red Cross] could bring in some aid. But even if they brought us some medical supplies how much would it really help?" he told the Reuters news agency. "We have hundreds of wounded people crammed into houses all around the neighbourhood. People are dying from lack of blood because we just don't have the capability of treating everyone. I don't think any amount they could bring in would really help."
The description of conditions in Baba Amr, which has been hit by Russian-made 240mm mortars – the world's largest – came as others in the city condemned the Tunis meeting.
"They [world leaders] are still giving opportunities to this man who is killing us and has already killed thousands of people," said Husseini. "I've completely lost faith in everyone but God. But in spite of that, I know we will continue this uprising. We'll die trying before we give up," he said. "The shelling is just like it was yesterday. We have had 22 days of this. The women and children are all hiding in basements."
"No one would dare try to flee the neighbourhood, that is instant death. You'd have to get past snipers and soldiers. Then there is a trench that surrounds our neighbourhood and a few others. Then you have to go past more troops."
For now the suffering of Homs continues without an end in sight.
Ik weet het ook niet hoor, maar ik vind een poll waarin maar 100 syriërs zijn ondervraagd niet echt betrouwbaarquote:55 percent of Syrians support Assad
http://www.guardian.co.uk(...)d-western-propaganda
In God and Bashar we trust!
Ze zullen de noordelijke helft van Syrië die in opstand is niet hebben ondervraagdquote:Op zondag 26 februari 2012 21:00 schreef Frikandelbroodje het volgende:
Toch wel opvallend dat Hamas de banden verbreekt met Assad. Haniyeh was een paar weken geleden nog in Teheran en daar leek alles nog koek en ei. Hebben Iran en Syrië al een reactie gegeven? Op Press TV heb ik nog niks gezien.
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Ik weet het ook niet hoor, maar ik vind een poll waarin maar 100 syriërs zijn ondervraagd niet echt betrouwbaar
Het artikel gaat verder.quote:Polen onderhandelt om evacuatie gewonde journalisten Syrië
Polen heeft aangegeven dat het naast, onder andere het Internationale Rode Kruis en Frankrijk, ook onderhandelt met de Syrische autoriteiten om de gewonde journalisten in Homs te evacueren.
Dat liet Marcin Bosacki, een woordvoerder van het Poolse ministerie van Buitenlandse Zaken, weten aan perbsureau AP. De Poolse ambassade behartigt de belangen van de Verenigde Staten in Syrië. Ook zei Bosacki dat Polen samen met de VS, Groot-Brittannië en Frankrijk samenwerkt om de lichamen van de Amerikaanse journalist Marie Colvin en de Franse fotograaf Remi Ochlik door Damascus te laten vrijgeven. Lees ook het indringende verhaal van onze correspondent Gert van Langendonck die bevriend was met Ochlik.
Afgelopen woensdag kwamen Colvin en Ochlik om bij een raketaanval op een geïmproviseerd perscentrum in Homs. Daarbij raakten ook twee andere journalisten gewond, de Franse Edith Bouvier en de Britse Paul Conroy. Op 23 februari kwamen beelden naar buiten waarop Conroy en Bouvier de internationale gemeenschap oproepen tot evacuatie. Vandaag liet de Franse president Nicolas Sarkozy weten dat plannen om de gewonde journalisten uit Syrië te krijgen in een vergevorderd stadium bevinden.
quote:Britse fotograaf 'veilig' in Libanon; onzekerheid over Franse verslaggeefster
De Britse journalist Paul Conroy die gewond raakte in Syrië, zou in veiligheid zijn in Libanon. Dat meldde een betrokken diplomaat vandaag aan persbureau Reuters.
Conroy, die als fotograaf voor dagblad The Sunday Times bij de gevechten in Homs aanwezig was, raakte vorige week woensdag tijdens een beschieting door het Syrische leger gewond. Volgens de diplomaat is de journalist inmiddels in veiligheid gebracht, nadat hij door onbekenden het land kon worden uit gesmokkeld.
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Het is nog onduidelijk of Edith Bouvier, een Franse verslaggeefster die net als Paul Conroy gewond raakte tijdens het geweldsincident, net als de Brit naar Libanon is gesmokkeld. Syrische activisten meldden dat Bouvier veilig is aangekomen in het buurland, maar dat werd later ontkend door andere bronnen.
Volgens een goed ingevoerde Franse diplomaat bevindt de verslaggeefster zich nog in Homs. Bouvier zou garanties over haar veiligheid willen van de Syrische autoriteiten, voordat ze zich laat verplaatsen.
Bij de aanval waarbij Conroy en Bouvier hun verwondingen opliepen, werden twee andere journalisten gedood. De lichamen van de Amerikaanse journaliste Marie Colvin van The Sunday Times en van de Franse fotograaf Remi Ochlik liggen nog altijd in Homs.
twitter:RAGreeneCNN twitterde op dinsdag 28-02-2012 om 12:40:35BREAKING: Wounded journalist Edith Bouvier REFUSING to leave #BabaAmr #Syria #Homs without promise govt won't confiscate photos/recordings reageer retweet
quote:Paul Conroy: Syrian activists killed during rescue
• Volunteers die while getting photographer out to Lebanon
• Three other journalists remain trapped in Homs
• UN human rights chief calls for immediate ceasefire
Paul Conroy, the British Sunday Times photographer who was wounded in the besieged city of Homs, has been smuggled out of Syria to Lebanon in a dramatic rescue.
According to those familiar with his escape a number of Syrian opposition activists died during the rescue effort after they came under artillery fire while leaving the city.
The evacuation party came under fire twice. Three activists were killed on the first occasion while more were reportedly killed when they came under fire again.
A spokesman for the paper said: "The Sunday Times can confirm that the photographer Paul Conroy is safe and in Lebanon. He is in good shape and good spirits."
"I have heard that he is out," Conroy's wife Kate Conroy said. "All I can say is that we are delighted and overjoyed at the news, but I am not going to say any more than that at this point."
An FCO spokesperson said: "We can now confirm that the injured British journalist Paul Conroy is safely in Lebanon, where he is receiving full consular assistance from our embassy."
Conroy's father Les, said his wife had spoken to their son and described him as being in "very good spirits", though he confirmed he had not personally talked to the photographer.
"We're all very relieved and happy that Paul's out," he said.
Despite the successful rescue of Conroy – whose colleague Marie Colvin was killed last week in Homs along with French photographer Rémi Ochlik during an attack on the makeshift media centre in the suburb of Baba Amr – three other journalists remain trapped in the city. They are Edith Bouvier of Le Figaro, who sustained a broken femur, French photographer William Daniels and the Middle East correspondent of El Mundo, Javier Espinosa.
The dramatic nature of Conroy's evacuation underlines the high level of risk being faced by those who have been trying to run medical, food and other supplies into the besieged suburbs of Homs and evacuate the injured, including foreign journalists.
The regime of President Bashar al-Assad, which has recently moved the elite 4th Division commanded by his brother Maher into the battle for Homs, has been using a foreign-supplied drone to target its artillery and mortar fire into the city.
Conroy had twice refused to leave Baba Amr without the body of Colvin, who was killed during a rocket attack last Wednesday. The group of reporters has been holed up in Baba Amr ever since and protracted negotiations to evacuate them have failed.
According to the Avaaz network, it had been working with 35 Syrian activists in Homs who volunteered to help free the reporters.
"Paul Conroy's rescue today is a huge relief but this must be tempered with the news that three remain unaccounted for, and with our respects for the incredibly courageous activists who died during the evacuation attempts," said Ricken Patel, executive director of Avaaz.
"The rescue is ongoing and we are deeply disappointed that sections of the media broke this story before all the journalists are safe."
According to activists, Bouvier and Daniels have been refusing to leave Baba Amr without an embassy escort to guarantee their safe passage.
In recent days the attacks on Homs have intensified, targeting up to six neighbourhoods of the city.
News of Conroy's rescue came as the UN's human rights chief called for an immediate ceasefire in Syria, saying the situation had deteriorated rapidly in recent weeks as authorities reinforced their onslaught against the opposition.
Navi Pillay, the United Nations high commissioner for human rights, said the international community has to take action to prevent Syrian security forces from continuing their attacks against civilians, which had resulted in "countless atrocities".
"There must be an immediate humanitarian ceasefire to end the fighting and bombardments," Pillay told an urgent meeting of the UN human rights council.
She urged Syria to end all fighting, allow international monitors to enter the country and give unhindered access for aid agencies to Homs and other embattled cities.
The appeal prompted a bitter riposte from Syria's ambassador to the UN in Geneva, who accused the 47-nation council of promoting terrorism in his country.
Before walking out of the room, Fayssal al-Hamwi said Tuesday's meeting would only prolong the crisis in his country, where the UN estimates at least 5,400 people have been killed since March. Anti-government activists say the real figure is much higher.
Pillay cited the report of a UN expert panel last week, which concluded that Syrian government officials were responsible for crimes against humanity committed by security forces against opposition members. The crimes included shelling civilians, executing deserters and torturing detainees. Some opposition groups had also committed gross abuses, it said.
The panel has compiled a confidential list of top-level Syrian officials who could face prosecution over the atrocities.
Pillay reiterated her call for Syria to be referred to the international criminal court "in the face of the unspeakable violations that take place every moment".
"More than at any other time, those committing atrocities in Syria have to understand that the international community will not stand by and watch this carnage and that their decisions and the actions they take today ultimately will not go unpunished," she said.
Members of the council are expected to pass a resolution on Tuesday condemning "widespread and systematic violations of human rights and fundamental freedoms by the Syrian authorities".
A draft resolution supported by many Arab and western nations says the regime's use of heavy artillery and tanks to attack civilian areas has contributed to the deaths of thousands of people since March.
Allemaal voor de show.quote:Op dinsdag 28 februari 2012 15:29 schreef Papierversnipperaar het volgende:
Rusland word nu ook kritischer, vanwege de tegenwerking die het Rode Kruis ondervindt.
Ze kunnen niet voor de show een volgende resolutie blokkeren.quote:
FSA ontkent het:quote:Op woensdag 29 februari 2012 16:24 schreef Cobra4 het volgende:
Syrische leger neemt opstandige wijk in
DAMASCUS - Syrische militairen hebben in de nacht dinsdag op woensdag een aanval ingezet op de wijk Baba Amr in het zuidwesten van de stad Homs. Een bij de aanval betrokken functionaris zei dat er huis aan huis word gezocht naar de laatste verzetshaarden in het stadsdeel.
Er zijn nog maar een paar verzetshaarden van terroristen, aldus de zegsman, die anoniem wenste te blijven. De wijk gold als een bolwerk van de rebellen van het Vrije Syrische Leger dat vooral uit deserteurs uit de strijdkrachten van de regering van president Bashar al-Assad bestaat.
Delen van Homs hebben al meer dan 3 weken onder zwaar vuur gelegen van de regeringsgetrouwe troepen die dit bolwerk van verzet belegeren.
Bron: http://www.telegraaf.nl/b(...)neemt_wijk_in__.html
http://www.facebook.com/baba.amr.eyequote:#homs #syria - The Free Syrian army in Baba Amr: We have caused huge loses in the 4th division Assad army, from their weaponry to their actual lives. The Assad army did not enter Baba Amr at all and they will never enter Baba Amr God willing with the brave Free Syrian Armies protection. The clashes continue nearby in an area called Alhakora, and please note the regime keeps trying to publish we are tired, exhausted...This is all lies and has no truth to it. We will continue.
quote:Spanish reporter escapes from Homs
Javier Espinosa, El Mundo correspondent trapped in besieged Syrian city, is smuggled to safety as fighting rages in Baba Amr
Javier Espinosa, the El Mundo correspondent who had been trapped in a besieged suburb of the Syrian city of Homs, has escaped to safety, according to executives on his paper.
While details were sketchy on Wednesday evening, it appears that Espinosa, who has written a series of dramatic dispatches from Homs – some published in the Guardian – was smuggled out afternoon after making the perilous journey out of the city.
In his dispatches, he detailed the suffering of the suburb of Baba Amr, which has been under siege for 25 days, and he was one of the tiny group of journalists trapped in Homs when two journalists, including the Sunday Times reporter Marie Colvin, were killed last week.
Espinosa's escape was announced as it was disclosed that the regime of President Bashar al-Assad had refused permission for the UN's humanitarian aid chief, Valerie Amos, to enter the country, despite the urgings of Moscow. Reports also emerged of heavy fighting on all four sides of Baba Amr.
Meanwhile, Kofi Annan, the newly appointed UN-Arab League envoy for Syria, said he would hold talks in New York with the UN secretary general, Ban Ki-moon, and member states. He will then meet the Arab League chief, Nabil Elaraby, in Cairo.
According to witnesses' accounts, the Syrian army's 4th Division has moved towards the outskirts of the suburb, where troops were involved in heavy clashes with members of the Free Syrian Army.
Espinosa's escape follows that of Colvin's colleague, the Sunday Times photographer Paul Conroy, who was smuggled to safety on Sunday evening after the journalists were split up during their escape attempt while under attack by government troops. Thirteen activists were killed trying to get them to safety.
The fate of two other remaining journalists – Edith Bouvier of Le Figaro and William Daniels, a photographer based in France – was uncertain. Some reports said they remained trapped in Baba Amr. Bouvier broke her leg badly during the attack that killed Colvin and the French photographer Remi Ochlik last week.
Espinosa's escape came as the situation in Baba Amr grew more precarious amid claims by a Syrian government official that it was preparing to "clean" the rebel-held areas of Homs.
Sources of reliable news from inside Homs were also scarce on Wednesday as activists in the city were cut off for long periods from communicating with the outside world.
The rebels have sworn to fight to the last man, according to Ahmed, an activist who said he had just left Baba Amr. He said other opposition areas of Homs were also under attack but gave no details of casualties. "Pray for the Free Syrian Army. Do not be miserly in your prayers for them," activists in the city said in a statement.
"We call on all Syrians in other cities to move and do something to lift the pressure off Baba Amr and Homs. They should act quickly," Ahmed said via Skype.
However, some activists said leaders of the Farouq Brigade had already left Baba Amr.
Homs, a symbol of opposition to Assad in a nearly year-long revolt, was without power or telephone links, Ahmed said.
YouTube footage posted by activists showed army trucks and tank carriers on a highway purportedly heading for Homs.
Reports from the city could not immediately be verified due to tight government restrictions on media work in Syria, where Assad is facing the gravest challenge of his 11-year rule.
A spokesman for the International Committee of the Red Cross, Hicham Hassan, said the violence was making the humanitarian situation more difficult.
"This makes it even more important for us to repeat our call for a halt in the fighting," he said.
"It is essential that people who are in need of evacuation – wounded people, women and children – that we are able to offer them that with the Syrian Arab Red Crescent."
Libya will donate $100m (£62m) in humanitarian aid to the Syrian opposition and allow them to open an office in Tripoli, a government spokesman said, in a further sign of its strong support for forces fighting Assad.
Representatives from the Syrian National Council visited Tripoli this week after Mustafa Abdel, chairman of Libya's National Transitional Council (NTC), made the initial offer earlier this month to host an office there.
The United Nations estimated on Tuesday that Assad's security forces had killed more than 7,500 civilians since the revolt began last March. This figure was significantly higher than previous estimates.
This is disputed by Syria's government, which said in December that "armed terrorists" had killed more than 2,000 soldiers and police during the unrest.
France said this week that the UN security council was working on a new Syria resolution and urged Russia and China not to veto it, as they have previous drafts.
An outline drafted by Washington focused on humanitarian problems to try to win Chinese and Russian support and isolate Assad, western envoys said.
But they said the draft would also suggest Assad was to blame for the crisis – a stance opposed particularly strongly by his long-time ally, Russia.
But China's foreign minister, Yang Jiechi, also called for political dialogue in Syria, something ruled out by Assad's opponents while the bloodshed goes on.
Russia has warned against interference in Syria under a humanitarian guise.
quote:Meeste rebellen zijn Baba Amr ontvlucht
De meeste Syrische rebellen hebben de wijk Baba Amr in Homs verlaten. Dat melden activisten op de facebookpagina van Baba Amr. Enkele rebellen zijn achter gebleven in het bolwerk van verzet om hun kameraden rugdekking te geven tijdens hun vlucht.
'Wij, de Baba Amr brigade, hebben besloten om ons terug te trekken vanwege de burgers die zoch nog in de wijk bevinden', schrijven de activisten. 'De humanitaire situatie is op zijn slechtst: er is geen voedsel meer, geen water, geen elektriciteit en er zijn geen medicijnen. Er is ook geen mogelijkheid om binnen de wijk met elkaar te communiceren. We hebben bovendien niet genoeg wapens om de burgers te verdedigen. Het leger van Assad heeft de huizen van de meeste burgers vernield door hen met raketten te beschieten. Helikopters hebben Baba Amr vanuit de lucht aangevallen en tanks schieten met mortieren.'
'Wijk in handen van leger'
De melding van de terugtrekking kwam kort nadat activisten berichtten dat de rebellen in Baba Amro standhielden en de aanval van de troepen van president Bashar al-Assad hadden afgeslagen. De regering meldde toen al dat ze bijna heel de wijk in handen had.
Eerder vandaag zwoer het Syrische regime Baba Amr na bijna vier weken van bombardementen 'schoon te vegen'. Syrië kondigde een groot offensief aan om de wijk binnen enkele uren te 'zuiveren van alle gewapende elementen'.
De activisten roepen het Internationale Rode Kruis op om de wijk direct binnen te gaan en alle burgers te verplaatsen. 'Zij hebben de verantwoordelijkheid om mensen te redden en alle hulp te geven die nodig is om hen in leven te houden.'
Syrische Nationale Raad
Een overkoepelend orgaan van verschillende oppositiegroepen die zich vooral vanuit het buitenland tegen Assad keren, de Syrische Nationale Raad (SNC), wil de gewapende opstand gaan coördineren. SNC-voorzitter Burhan Ghalioun zei vandaag in zijn woonplaats Parijs dat daar een militaire raad voor wordt opgezet. De SNC stond aanvankelijk erg terughoudend tegenover het Vrije Syrische Leger.
twitter:OpPinkPower twitterde op vrijdag 02-03-2012 om 01:44:40RT @AnonOpsSweden: In 5 days swedish anon fieldmedics will bring medication into #Syria #OpTripToSyria http://t.... http://t.co/FW4rZSDm reageer retweet
quote:Syria's deadly neighbourhood and the desperate attempts to escape
After days in Baba Amr with little food or water, the journalists and activists had no choice except to leave
In the bitterly cold darkness of last Sunday morning, four western reporters and a group of activists protecting them made a decision they had twice tried to avoid – to flee Baba Amr.
Led by local people determined to see their guests to safety, but themselves resigned to staying behind, the group made for a passageway that was to be their only way out of one of the most dangerous neighbourhoods on earth.
The Briton, Paul Conroy, whose wounds were minor, was one of the first to climb into the 5 metre hole in the centre of the ravaged district. He was followed by Javier Espinosa, the veteran Middle East correspondent for the Spanish newspaper El Mundo, and a number of activists, among them a young Syrian known simply as Abu Hanin.
Last came two French reporters, Edith Bouvier and William Daniels, both of whom had been wounded in the shelling that claimed the lives of their colleagues, Marie Colvin and Rémi Ochlik only metres away four days earlier.
Bouvier's wounds were by far the most serious. Her femur was shattered and the basic medical care available to her in Baba Amr could not ward off the main risk she faced in being moved – a blood clot. If that happened on the journey, it would probably be fatal.
However, by then it had become clear that staying behind meant certain death. For four days and nights, the group had been huddled in the hallway as Syrian rockets thundered down on buildings around them. They had no food and next to no water. One of the group had taken to eating tobacco leaves.
"The Syrians were firing at them from four different directions," said one observer familiar with the evacuation. "They were trying to kill them."
Somehow the regime's gunners had zeroed in on the group's location. However, not one rocket tube or tank turret had a direct angle of fire. To achieve that, the regime would have to whittle away the building in front of the refuge – a task it was attempting with vigour. "The building was crumbling by the hour," the observer said. "They didn't have a choice but to leave."
The only passage out was no longer easy. For months the access route had been a lifeline to the neighbourhood. Even as the Syrian military formed a stranglehold around rebel-held parts of the country's third city, it had still been used for a while as a sole supply line.
But that changed in the second week of February, when loyalist forces got wind, blowing up parts of the access point and stationing troops all around. The reporters and activists suspected Syrian forces would be waiting somewhere along the line. And they were.
Paul Conroy was towards the front of the group when the shooting started. He had been among the most reluctant to flee Baba Amr, partly because it meant leaving behind his slain colleague, the veteran Sunday Times correspondent, Marie Colvin. But also because two evacuation attempts suggested earlier would have meant leaving the badly wounded Bouvier's fate to Syrian Red Crescent officials.
Attempts to negotiate a ceasefire and a humanitarian corridor had all failed. And at that point, there seemed little reason to trust that Damascus had Bouvier's interests at heart.
Conroy moved forward, away from the fire. Espinosa was nearer to the firefight – and in trouble. In the frenetic minutes that followed, three of the group's Syrian escorts are believed to have been hit by gunfire and died. Espinosa is understood to have given aid to some of the wounded before managing to move forward. He and Conroy were met separately down the access point by activists.
Bouvier, Daniels and their escorts, however, had no option but to turn back. By that point, the evacuation was in shambles. Getting separated had been a terrible outcome and half the group being forced to return to the living hell they had fled was even worse.
Conroy was taken to a small town, notionally in the control of the Free Syria Army, which spilt southwards towards lands that the opposition guerillas could more confidently control. Espinosa was soon able to follow a similar route, smuggled from point to point by activists and guerillas, none of whom could talk to each other via mobile phones (the regime had brought down the mobile network), or by radio (because of the risk of interception).
For Bouvier and Daniels, things looked grim. On Tuesday, however, the Homs activists managed to smuggle the pair out of Baba Amr and into another part of Homs. It was a remarkable feat, given how tightly controlled the neighbourhood had become.
From this point – Tuesday afternoon – details of the three separate journeys are sketchy. Conroy made it to Lebanon early on Tuesday morning, where he was met by the Sunday Times photographic editor and staff from the British embassy in Beirut.
News of his rescue led to fears the Syrian military would make extra efforts to hunt down the other three – all of whom had witnessed the final days of the regime's assault on Homs, which on Thursday led to a long-expected ground invasion.
Espinosa made it to Lebanon on Wednesday. This morning he took to Twitter to pay tribute to the bravery of his hosts, in particular Abu Hanin, who ran Baba Amr's media centre for at least the last six months, and the citizen journalists there who have chronicled the battle for the heartland of the Syrian uprising with a stream of uploaded videos. "I never saw 'journalists' so brave," he said.
Late on Thursday, after the most fraught of the journeys, the wounded French reporters also made it to the Bekaa valley in Lebanon. French president Nicolas Sarkozy said he had spoken to Bouvier, yet to make her way to Beirut. Heavy snow on the mountain passes may delay the final part of her journey.
Minutes after the last of the group made it to safety, a reminder of what they were forced to leave behind was posted online. Doctors at the Baba Amr medical clinic, who had used valuable fuel to preserve the bodies of Colvin and Ochlik in the hope that they too could be evacuated, recorded a video of a simple burial.
A torch beam shone through the gloom to confirm Colvin's identity before her shroud was covered with soil. It was the last act of a grim week in Homs that has forever changed the Syrian uprising and how it is reported.
bron: http://english.ahram.org.eg/News/35858.aspxquote:18 French officers and 100 paratroopers captured in Homs, a Lebanese MP claims
A Lebanese parliament member, Asem Konsoa, claims that the French are interfering in Syria's politics, citing 118 French military caught in Homs fighting alongside rebels
A pro-Syria Lebanese Member of Parliament (MP) accused France of secretly sending troops to Syria.
The Lebanese Baathist MP Asem Konsoa claimed that the Syrian regime forces arrested 18 French officers and 100 paratroopers, along with 70 Lebanese for joining and fighting within the ranks of the protesters in the restless city of Homs.
Konsoa added that such a "scandal" might threaten the political future of the French President Nicolas Sarkozy. The MP vowed to divulge more information kept under wraps about the Lebanese "conspirators."
The Lebanese MP anticipates that the armed conflict will cease within a month's time, claiming the Syrian army is increasingly imposing its control on the Baba Amr neighbourhood in Homs.
Dat lijkt me toch wel belangrijk nieuws, zijn hier nog andere bronnen voor?quote:Op vrijdag 2 maart 2012 15:16 schreef t-8one het volgende:
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bron: http://english.ahram.org.eg/News/35858.aspx
dat er Fransen aanwezig zijn wil ik nog wel geloven maar een volledige compagnie parachutisten?quote:Op vrijdag 2 maart 2012 15:16 schreef t-8one het volgende:
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bron: http://english.ahram.org.eg/News/35858.aspx
Jan Eikelboom twitterde hetquote:Op vrijdag 2 maart 2012 20:41 schreef sp3c het volgende:
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dat er Fransen aanwezig zijn wil ik nog wel geloven maar een volledige compagnie parachutisten?
en die lopen dan nog op een kluitje tegen de lamp ook?
I don't buy it
Ik doe trouwens geen enkele uitspraak of het waar is of niet.twitter:janeikelboom twitterde op vrijdag 02-03-2012 om 15:01:08Vorige week twitterde ik dit als gerucht, nu is er ook een bron: Franse militairen opgepakt in Homs http://t.co/QHsE04o4 (via @jacquessmits) reageer retweet
Het regime claimt om de zoveel tijd dat het Franse/Israëlische/Amerikaanse troepen gevangen heeft genomen, maar laat nooit het bewijs zien. Dit lijkt me dus ook weer bullshit.quote:Op zaterdag 3 maart 2012 15:24 schreef TargaFlorio het volgende:
Maar als het waar is had de Syrische TV toch al lang beelden laten zien?
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[b]Op dinsdag 6 januari 2009 19:59 schreef Papierversnipperaar het volgende:[/b]
De gevolgen van de argumenten van de anti-rook maffia
Heb je weer centjes gekregen van Assad? Moest je een paar weekjes op propaganda-stage?quote:Op zaterdag 3 maart 2012 21:41 schreef ChristianLebaneseFront het volgende:
Het wordt langzamerhand weer rustig in Homs.
De Al-Qaeda ratten dachten het even op te nemen tegen het Syrische leger. lol
He de christelijke Ba'ath cyberwarrior is weer terug!quote:Op zaterdag 3 maart 2012 21:41 schreef ChristianLebaneseFront het volgende:
Het wordt langzamerhand weer rustig in Homs.
De Al-Qaeda ratten dachten het even op te nemen tegen het Syrische leger. lol
Daar hebben we onze grote vriend weer met z'n propaganda...quote:Op zaterdag 3 maart 2012 21:41 schreef ChristianLebaneseFront het volgende:
Het wordt langzamerhand weer rustig in Homs.
De Al-Qaeda ratten dachten het even op te nemen tegen het Syrische leger. lol
quote:Op zaterdag 3 maart 2012 21:58 schreef Papierversnipperaar het volgende:
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Heb je weer centjes gekregen van Assad? Moest je een paar weekjes op propaganda-stage?
Zelfde als in Iran. Demonstraties georganiseerd door de staat (geen spontaniteit) waarbij de demonstranten vaak financieel onder druk worden gezet om eraan deel te nemen.quote:Op zaterdag 3 maart 2012 22:29 schreef ChristianLebaneseFront het volgende:
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Die worden ook allemaal betaald he.
De Syriers in de VS, Australie en Europa worden ook financieel onder druk gezet door de overheid?quote:Op zaterdag 3 maart 2012 22:32 schreef AryaMehr het volgende:
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Zelfde als in Iran. Demonstraties georganiseerd door de staat (geen spontaniteit) waarbij de demonstranten vaak financieel onder druk worden gezet om eraan deel te nemen.
19 juli 2011quote:Op zaterdag 3 maart 2012 22:29 schreef ChristianLebaneseFront het volgende:
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Die worden ook allemaal betaald he.
Dat zijn grotendeels alewieten en christenen.quote:Op zaterdag 3 maart 2012 22:34 schreef ChristianLebaneseFront het volgende:
De Syriers in de VS, Australie en Europa worden ook financieel onder druk gezet door de overheid?
Net als CLF.quote:Op zaterdag 3 maart 2012 22:35 schreef Billy-jazz het volgende:
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Dat zijn grotendeels alewieten en christenen.
Oh, ik wil best geloven dat een kleine minderheid achter Assad staat hoor, maar de overgrote meerderheid zeker niet. Dat zijn vaak de alewieten en christenen.quote:Op zaterdag 3 maart 2012 22:34 schreef ChristianLebaneseFront het volgende:
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De Syriers in de VS, Australie en Europa worden ook financieel onder druk gezet door de overheid?
Speciaal voor jou:quote:Op zaterdag 3 maart 2012 22:34 schreef Billy-jazz het volgende:
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19 juli 2011
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Dat mag jij vinden. Zijn volk staat gelukkig achter hem.quote:En al-Qaeda vecht wel degelijk zij aan zij met het Westen tegen Assad, dat klopt. Maar dat maakt Assad geen engel, hij is een smerige baathist.
Ja, vandaar die enorme nervositeit wanneer de Syriërs weer de straat opgaan. Als de bevolking echt achter Assad zou staan dan lijkt me alle maatregelen die het regime van Assad neemt een beetje lachwekkend.quote:Op zaterdag 3 maart 2012 22:44 schreef ChristianLebaneseFront het volgende:
Dat mag jij vinden. Zijn volk staat gelukkig achter hem.
Want andere landen zouden terroristen met fluwelen handschoenen behandelen? Niemand vind het ook erg opvallend dat Al-Qaeda in Irak ineens lijkt uitgestorven?quote:Op zaterdag 3 maart 2012 22:47 schreef AryaMehr het volgende:
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Ja, vandaar die enorme nervositeit wanneer de Syriërs weer de straat opgaan. Als de bevolking echt achter Assad zou staan dan lijkt me alle maatregelen die het regime van Assad neemt een beetje lachwekkend.
Zijn die honderdduizenden mensen bereid om hun levens te geven voor Assad?quote:Op zaterdag 3 maart 2012 22:44 schreef ChristianLebaneseFront het volgende:
Dat mag jij vinden. Zijn volk staat gelukkig achter hem.
Die extreme maatregelen werden anders ook getroffen voordat de Syriërs zich gewapend gingen verzetten. Mijn moeder is een aantal jaar geleden in Damascus geweest en de enorme aantallen geheime agenten op straat is bijna onrealistisch. Dat Al-Qaeda een slaatje uit alles probeert te slaan is begrijpelijk, maar ook enorm opgeblazen. De Syriërs die zich verzetten en demonstreren zijn niet religieus gemotiveerd, maar hoogstens religieus geïnspireerd.quote:Op zaterdag 3 maart 2012 22:49 schreef ChristianLebaneseFront het volgende:
Want andere landen zouden terroristen met fluwelen handschoenen behandelen? Niemand vind het ook erg opvallend dat Al-Qaeda in Irak ineens lijkt uitgestorven?
quote:Edith Bouvier's escape from Homs
Journalist was left taped to a stretcher inside the tunnel rebels had dug to smuggle her out when Syrian forces bombed it
French journalist Edith Bouvier feared her escape from of Homs had come to an end after the tunnel through which she was smuggled out of the besieged Syrian city came under bmobardment from Assad's forces.
Her leg broken by a shell, which killed Sunday Times journalist Marie Colvin and French photographer Rémi Ochlik days earlier, Bouvier was abandoned, taped to a makeshift stretcher, as rebels and dozens of wounded fled the explosions and headed back to Baba Amr district.
"One of them placed his Kalashnikov on me. He put his hand on my head and said a prayer. It wasn't very reassuring. Then he left," Bouvier told Le Figaro newspaper, for which she was working in Syria.
"I didn't know what was going to happen. Was the exit blocked? Were Syrian soldiers going to enter? I wanted to run away before remembering that I was taped to a stretcher."
Bouvier and French photographer William Daniels, who stayed with her throughout, were finally rescued by a rebel who drove down the 1.6-metre high tunnel on a motorbike and carried them back to Baba Amr.
With the tunnel blocked and Baba Amr close to falling to the army, the two journalists, the objects of a manhunt after their faces were broadcast on Syrian television, decided to risk everything by slipping out of the city in a vehicle under cover of darkness.
"We were exhausted, physically and mentally. We had to get out of there," Bouvier said. Details of their escape route were not published by the newspaper to protect those who aided them.
Moving from safe house to safe house, changing vehicles frequently and taking rocky mountain roads amid a snowstorm, it took the journalists and their rebel escort four days to travel the 25 miles to the Lebanese border. Everywhere strangers greeted them by name, welcoming them warmly.
"They really put themselves in danger for us. They did everything for us," said Bouvier, who called her parents as soon as she crossed into Lebanon under cover of darkness. "I didn't tell them where I was, just that I was safe and sound."
quote:10.50am: Rastan, another opposition stronghold which lies between Hama and Homs has come under bombardment today, according to the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights.
The organisation's Rami Abdelrahman told AFP: "Since dawn, the positions of deserters in the north of Rastan have been subject to intensive shelling."
According to the Israeli newspaper Ha'aretz, it was bombed form the air.
The Violation Documentation Centre, a website maintained by activists aimed at documenting the names of those killed, claimed 14 people were killed in Rastan on Saturday when a demonstration was attacked.
It says four children were among the dead.
quote:Meer dan duizend Syriërs vluchten naar Libanon vanwege geweld
Meer dan duizend Syriërs hebben de grens met het noorden van Libanon overgestoken op de vlucht voor het geweld in hun thuisland. Dat zegt een woordvoerder van de VN-Vluchtelingenorganisatie (UNHCR) tegen persbureau Reuters.
“Tussen de één- en tweeduizend (Syriërs) zijn bezig met de oversteek van Syrië naar Libanon”, zo verklaart plaatsvervangend vertegenwoordiger van de UNHCR in Libanon, Jean Paul Cavalieri. “De aantallen zullen duidelijk worden in de komende uren. Dit is wat we horen van onze teams ter plaatse en van lokale overheden.”
Een getuige aan de Libanese grens hoorde eerder vandaag zware beschietingen vanuit het nabijgelegen Syrische stadje Qusair en zag vooral vrouwen en kinderen op de vlucht, te voet onderweg naar Libanon.
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