Revolutie in Libië #111: Waar Khadaffi nog steeds niet is gevonden.

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Op dinsdag 30 augustus 2011 04:43 schreef svann het volgende:

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Grappig zeg.

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Kijk lekker verder naar RussiaToday. Ook Alex Jones kan ik je aanraden.

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Op dinsdag 30 augustus 2011 04:43 schreef rakotto het volgende:
Mujahedeen

Seriously. Sommigen hier. Libie wordt nog erger dan Afghanistan.

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Op dinsdag 30 augustus 2011 06:25 schreef NorthernStar het volgende:

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Je zou ook op de reactie in kunnen gaan.

Jij presenteert het als een sprookje

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maar dat sprookje eindigde hier.

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Eugh ja mujahideen? Is gewoon de correcte naam voor jihadstrijders. Je mag ze ook moslimstrijders noemen. Is allemaal hetzelfde. Ze vechten vanuit religie en ideologie.

En ik zeg nergens dat het "erger dan Afghanistan" wordt. Jullie doen alleen alsof ze niet bestaan. Er lopen een hoop zwaarbewapende moslimstrijders rond en er is maar heel weinig berichtgeving over wat er zich precies in de straten afspeelt.

Misschien leveren ze straks allemaal netjes hun wapens in en gaan naar huis. Of misschien willen ze inspraak. In het laatste geval heb je een probleem.

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Op maandag 29 augustus 2011 19:57 schreef NorthernStar het volgende:
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Mahmoud Jibril, Prime Minister of the National Transitional Council of Libya

From 2007 to early 2011, he served in the Gaddafi regime as head of the National Economic Development Board.

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Op maandag 29 augustus 2011 23:35 schreef Pietverdriet het volgende:
http://www.dumpert.nl/med(...)i_belt_astro_tv.html
Gaddafi belt Astro TV

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Op dinsdag 30 augustus 2011 11:38 schreef paddy het volgende:
Welke niet-westerse landen hebben nu uiteindelijk ook meegeholpen, of stonden achter de no-fly zone en de hulp van de rebellen?

Ik kan het niet terug vinden.

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Op dinsdag 30 augustus 2011 11:42 schreef lutser.com het volgende:

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Ik kan zo snel egypte en qatar bedenken.

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Op dinsdag 30 augustus 2011 11:38 schreef paddy het volgende:
Welke niet-westerse landen hebben nu uiteindelijk ook meegeholpen, of stonden achter de no-fly zone en de hulp van de rebellen?

Ik kan het niet terug vinden.

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Op dinsdag 30 augustus 2011 07:01 schreef Die_Hofstadtgruppe het volgende:

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Dat maakt hem nog niet perse een fout persoon (wat hij wel zou kunnen zijn hoor, ik ken hem niet). Maar het is gewoon een feit dat je niet iedereen die voor het vorige regime heeft gewerkt eruit kan gooien. Ten 1e is dan je complete infrastructuur qua openbaar bestuur, ordehandhaving, economie etc weg en ten 2e kan je dan het halve land vast gaan gooien.

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Op woensdag 31 augustus 2011 04:40 schreef Schenkstroop het volgende:
Doet me denken aan de achterban van Bush -> Obama..

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Op woensdag 31 augustus 2011 08:17 schreef zuiderbuur het volgende:
Vreemd dat hier niet meer ruchtbaarheid aan gegeven wordt:

Misrata rebels defy Libya's new regime
De betogers in Misrata nemen het niet dat Albarrani Shkal tot hoofd van beveiliging benoemd is in Tripoli. Hij is pas in mei overgelopen en zou daarvoor mee verantwoordelijk zijn geweest voor het geweld in Misrata.

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Fighters from the western mountain city of Zintan control the airport. The fighters from Misurata guard the central bank, the port and the prime minister’s office, where their graffiti has relabeled the historic plaza “Misurata Square.” Berbers from the mountain town Yafran took charge of the city’s central square, where they spray-painted “Yafran Revolutionaries.”

A week after rebels broke into Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi’s former stronghold, much of its territory remains divided into fiefs, each controlled by quasi-independent brigades representing different geographic areas of the country. And the spray paint they use to mark their territory tells the story of a looming leadership crisis in the capital, Tripoli.

The top civilian officials of the Libyan rebels’ Transitional National Council — now styling itself as a provisional government to be based in the capital — are yet to arrive, citing personal safety concerns even as they pronounce the city fully secure.

There are growing hints of rivalry among the various brigades over who deserves credit for liberating the city and the influence it might bring. And attempts to name a military leader to unify the bands of fighters have instead exposed divisions within the rebel leadership, along regional lines but also between secularists and Islamists.

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Op woensdag 31 augustus 2011 08:17 schreef zuiderbuur het volgende:
Vreemd dat hier niet meer ruchtbaarheid aan gegeven wordt:

Misrata rebels defy Libya's new regime
De betogers in Misrata nemen het niet dat Albarrani Shkal tot hoofd van beveiliging benoemd is in Tripoli. Hij is pas in mei overgelopen en zou daarvoor mee verantwoordelijk zijn geweest voor het geweld in Misrata.

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Op woensdag 31 augustus 2011 11:26 schreef pinine het volgende:
elke keer als ik Libië in het nieuws zie hoor ik ze constant allah akhbar roepen en dan echt zo overdreven veel dat het gewoon een cliché is geworden, ze roepen dit trouwens in beide kampen, de rebellen vuren een raket af en allah akhbar, de kadaffiaanhangers roepen hetzelfde als ze een raket afvuren, roepen ze het ook als ze een scheet laten?

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Op woensdag 31 augustus 2011 17:04 schreef HAKIM_1988 het volgende:

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_cry

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AJE - Wednesday, August 31, 2011 - 18:18 GMT+3 - Libya

Russia will take part in a French-hosted "Friends of Libya" conference on Thursday and seek to uphold its interests in the North African nation, President Dmitry Medvedev's Africa envoy said on Wednesday.

"At the president's instruction, Russia will participate in the conference on Libya," Mikhail Margelov said in comments confirmed by his spokeswoman, Varvara Paal.

"Our country was one of the first to be invited to this forum."

Margelov will represent Russia at the conference in Paris, where members of a Western-led contact group on Libya and others will discuss support for the political and economic rebuilding of the war-torn state.
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AJE - Thursday, September 1, 2011 - 03:09 GMT+3 - Libya

China's top official newspaper warned Western powers to let the United Nations lead post-war reconstruction in Libya, saying that Beijing would seek to defend its economic stake after the ousting of Muammar Gaddafi, Reuters reported.

The People's Daily laid bare Beijing's qualms about the influence the US, European powers and NATO may claim in post-war Libya.
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Op donderdag 1 september 2011 05:20 schreef svann het volgende:
Files: Americans aid Gaddafi in rebel fight

AJE - Wednesday, August 31, 2011 - 18:29 GMT+3 - Libya

The US has played a key role in the battle to end Muammar Gaddafi's rule over Libya.

But Al Jazeera has uncovered evidence that influential Americans have been trying to help Gaddafi cling to power.

The officials involved are a member of the Congress and a former ambassador.

The documents were found in the offices of Libyan intelligence building, which was abandoned as Libyan fighters took over Tripoli.

Al Jazeera’s Jamal El Shayyal filed this exclusive report.

Files: Americans aid Gaddafi in rebel fight

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Op donderdag 1 september 2011 05:11 schreef svann het volgende:
Daar heb ik ook wel moeite mee.

Maar soldaten kunnen natuurlijk hun uniform uit doen om te proberen voor gewone burgers door te gaan.
Hoe kan je met beperkte middelen nagaan of het inderdaad gastarbeiders zijn of incognito huurlingen?
Met een veiligheidssituatie die voor burgers soms toch al hachelijk is, neemt men liever geen risico.
De donkere mercenaries hebben een extra slechte reputatie omdat die in februari in Bengazi betogers onder vuur namen vanuit jeeps.
Dilemma wel.

Dan biedt Gaddafi tenminste nog een bootreisje aan.

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In a country with 6 million inhabitants, one third are black (the most oppressed group in the country). Would not it be easier for the rebels to call for their solidarity and ask them join the rebel ranks? But not
only black Libyans do not join the rebellion - they flee in terror.

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In general, the status of black men of Libyan army's various units is civil servants.

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Michel Collon with a fact-finding delegation were in Libya in July and when he learned what had happened, he said:

"I met these people during my research in Tripoli. I could talk to some people. They were not "mercenaries," as the rebels and the media tell.

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How Cameron's secret unit choked off oil supplies to Gaddafi's frontline forces

'Libyan oil cell' was run by international development minister Alan Duncan and helped to strengthen sanctions against country

David Cameron has been operating a secret unit in Whitehall charged with undertaking covert economic operations to choke the Gaddafi regime of the one thing it had in abundance: oil.

The "Libyan oil cell" was run by the international development minister Alan Duncan and helped to strengthen sanctions against the oil-rich country, blocking supplies of crude oil to the dictator's side while allowing petrol and diesel to flow to the rebels.

But the government is likely to face intense scrutiny over the fact that the unit was involved in linking the rebels to a Swiss oil firm, Vitol, which has been credited with keeping the revolutionary engine running through the war. Duncan was previously a consultant with the firm and has close personal ties to its chairman, Ian Taylor. Taylor has also been a Conservative donor in the past.

The unit was backed by Cameron and William Hague, the foreign secretary, and involved half-a-dozen officials with help from MI6. It was tasked with working out how to control the flow of oil in and out of the country. Sources close to the project claim that in the last weeks of the dictatorship, Gaddafi struggled to keep his forces on the move with his refined oil stocks depleted by 90%, while rebels gathered momentum as they began to trade the nation's crude for refined petrol and diesel.

A Whitehall source said: "We have, as a British initiative, driven the entire significance of oil as the most crucial non-lethal weapon in this conflict. The energy noose tightened around Tripoli's neck. It was much more effective and easier to repair than bombs. It is like taking the key of the car away. You can't move. The great thing is you can switch it all back on again if Gaddafi goes. It is not the same as if you have bombed the whole city to bits."

The cell's links with Vitol are likely to trigger controversy, although it is understood that Vitol also had an existing relationship with the rebels and had chosen to back them over Gaddafi early in the conflict. Civil servants raised concerns about the possibility that the government was moving too far into commercial territory, although a Whitehall source told the BBC there was no conflict of interest because the Libya oil cell had no commercial relationship with the company.

Duncan praised the firm for taking the risks in supplying a country at war, and insisted the government played no role in the commercial relations between the two. "We were not awarding contracts or encouraging [the rebels] to take sides. Vitol has always been the supplier, but equally it could have been BP and Shell but they were the only ones prepared to take the risk," he told the Times.

He denied setting up meetings personally. "Very strict procedures were set up. I would never meet anyone from the oil sector without officials there … You can draw a link but it's a very small business, the oil business."

While Libya has crude oil in abundance, it has always relied on imports of refined products. Only one refinery, in Zawiya, was in operation during the conflict. But in April the sanctions regime was failing, with refined oil being smuggled across the Tunisian border. The sanctions also appeared to be to the disadvantage of the rebels more than Gaddafi's regime, which was finding ways to circumvent it.

From June, the oil cell's elaborate schemes involved deploying Nato operations to block ships bringing the dictator refined oil, enforcing sanctions on exports, and a naval chase of the Cartegena, a Libyan-owned ship which attempted to unload thousands of tonnes of fuel in Tripoli and ended up in a stand-off outside Malta. "The fact is that three months ago if we had not intervened on the oil side and made the NSC [national security council] and Nato and coalition partners understand this there would have been a massive reversal of fortune. The east would have run out of fuel and money and Gaddafi would have kept going," a Whitehall source claimed.

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[b]Op donderdag 1 september 2011 07:56 schreef svann het volgende:

"NATO's Deceitful Libya War of Aggression and Meaning for Africa."

Nou, fantastische bron zeg.
Er doen zich zeker ongewenste zaken voor, maar deze pro-Gaddafi site blaast het wel heel erg op.

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Op donderdag 1 september 2011 00:16 schreef Ronaldsen het volgende:
Ik vond het wel schokkend om te zien dat iedere zwarte wordt opgepakt als verdachte huursoldaat, terwijl het veelal gewoon gastarbeiders zijn

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Op donderdag 1 september 2011 07:56 schreef svann het volgende:

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Zou het? 2 miljoen 'zwarten'?
Gaddafi was zooo geweldig voor de afrikaanse medemens in Libië, maar geen woord over de terror van de 'bootvluchtelingen' die hij de zee op stuurde om Lampedusa/Europa de hel te geven?

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Op donderdag 1 september 2011 16:21 schreef VladimirPoetin het volgende:
Pro en Anti Gadaffi mensen bij de ambassade in Moskou:

Pro- & anti-Gaddafi rallies in Moscow as Libya embassy raises rebel flag

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Op donderdag 1 september 2011 17:17 schreef HAKIM_1988 het volgende:
Nu weten we ook waar die 'al qaeda' verhalen vandaan komen. Van Gaddafi zelf.

The documents read: "Any information related to al-Qaeda or other terrorist extremist organisations should be found and given to the American administration but only via the intelligence agencies of either Israel, Egypt, Morroco, or Jordan? America will listen to them? It's better to receive this information as if it originated from those countries...".

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Op donderdag 1 september 2011 17:18 schreef Ugjerke het volgende:

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Die Pro-Ghadaffi lui zien er niet erg Libisch/Afrikaans uit..

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Op donderdag 1 september 2011 17:51 schreef Disana het volgende:
http://www.nu.nl/onrust-m(...)hangers-vechten.html

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Op donderdag 1 september 2011 20:37 schreef VladimirPoetin het volgende:

Libyan Rebels crimes

Nee hoor de rebellen zijn uiterst voor mensenrechten, aldus de Westerse landen.

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Op donderdag 1 september 2011 20:40 schreef msnk het volgende:

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Misselijkmakend om te zien hoe geniepig Gadaffi-aanhangers zijn. Waarom verdedigen ze hun land niet ipv janken via internet?