quote:AJE - Wednesday, August 31, 2011 - 18:18 GMT+3 - Libya
Russia will take part in a French-hosted "Friends of Libya" conference on Thursday and seek to uphold its interests in the North African nation, President Dmitry Medvedev's Africa envoy said on Wednesday.
"At the president's instruction, Russia will participate in the conference on Libya," Mikhail Margelov said in comments confirmed by his spokeswoman, Varvara Paal.
"Our country was one of the first to be invited to this forum."
Margelov will represent Russia at the conference in Paris, where members of a Western-led contact group on Libya and others will discuss support for the political and economic rebuilding of the war-torn state.
http://blogs.aljazeera.net/liveblog/libya-aug-31-2011-2018
quote:AJE - Thursday, September 1, 2011 - 03:09 GMT+3 - Libya
China's top official newspaper warned Western powers to let the United Nations lead post-war reconstruction in Libya, saying that Beijing would seek to defend its economic stake after the ousting of Muammar Gaddafi, Reuters reported.
The People's Daily laid bare Beijing's qualms about the influence the US, European powers and NATO may claim in post-war Libya.
http://blogs.aljazeera.net/liveblog/libya-sep-1-2011-0309
Als je dat hele artikel op de site doorleest dan is het bewijs verder opmerkelijk mager, de kop dekt de lading niet echt, Al Jazeera speelt Telegraaf.quote:Op donderdag 1 september 2011 05:20 schreef svann het volgende:
Files: Americans aid Gaddafi in rebel fight
AJE - Wednesday, August 31, 2011 - 18:29 GMT+3 - Libya
The US has played a key role in the battle to end Muammar Gaddafi's rule over Libya.
But Al Jazeera has uncovered evidence that influential Americans have been trying to help Gaddafi cling to power.
The officials involved are a member of the Congress and a former ambassador.
The documents were found in the offices of Libyan intelligence building, which was abandoned as Libyan fighters took over Tripoli.
Al Jazeera’s Jamal El Shayyal filed this exclusive report.
quote:Op donderdag 1 september 2011 05:11 schreef svann het volgende:
Daar heb ik ook wel moeite mee.
Maar soldaten kunnen natuurlijk hun uniform uit doen om te proberen voor gewone burgers door te gaan.
Hoe kan je met beperkte middelen nagaan of het inderdaad gastarbeiders zijn of incognito huurlingen?
Met een veiligheidssituatie die voor burgers soms toch al hachelijk is, neemt men liever geen risico.
De donkere mercenaries hebben een extra slechte reputatie omdat die in februari in Bengazi betogers onder vuur namen vanuit jeeps.
Dilemma wel.
Dan biedt Gaddafi tenminste nog een bootreisje aan.
Zou het? 2 miljoen 'zwarten'?quote:In a country with 6 million inhabitants, one third are black (the most oppressed group in the country). Would not it be easier for the rebels to call for their solidarity and ask them join the rebel ranks? But not
only black Libyans do not join the rebellion - they flee in terror.
quote:In general, the status of black men of Libyan army's various units is civil servants.
In juli in Tripoli?quote:Michel Collon with a fact-finding delegation were in Libya in July and when he learned what had happened, he said:
"I met these people during my research in Tripoli. I could talk to some people. They were not "mercenaries," as the rebels and the media tell.
quote:How Cameron's secret unit choked off oil supplies to Gaddafi's frontline forces
'Libyan oil cell' was run by international development minister Alan Duncan and helped to strengthen sanctions against country
David Cameron has been operating a secret unit in Whitehall charged with undertaking covert economic operations to choke the Gaddafi regime of the one thing it had in abundance: oil.
The "Libyan oil cell" was run by the international development minister Alan Duncan and helped to strengthen sanctions against the oil-rich country, blocking supplies of crude oil to the dictator's side while allowing petrol and diesel to flow to the rebels.
But the government is likely to face intense scrutiny over the fact that the unit was involved in linking the rebels to a Swiss oil firm, Vitol, which has been credited with keeping the revolutionary engine running through the war. Duncan was previously a consultant with the firm and has close personal ties to its chairman, Ian Taylor. Taylor has also been a Conservative donor in the past.
The unit was backed by Cameron and William Hague, the foreign secretary, and involved half-a-dozen officials with help from MI6. It was tasked with working out how to control the flow of oil in and out of the country. Sources close to the project claim that in the last weeks of the dictatorship, Gaddafi struggled to keep his forces on the move with his refined oil stocks depleted by 90%, while rebels gathered momentum as they began to trade the nation's crude for refined petrol and diesel.
A Whitehall source said: "We have, as a British initiative, driven the entire significance of oil as the most crucial non-lethal weapon in this conflict. The energy noose tightened around Tripoli's neck. It was much more effective and easier to repair than bombs. It is like taking the key of the car away. You can't move. The great thing is you can switch it all back on again if Gaddafi goes. It is not the same as if you have bombed the whole city to bits."
The cell's links with Vitol are likely to trigger controversy, although it is understood that Vitol also had an existing relationship with the rebels and had chosen to back them over Gaddafi early in the conflict. Civil servants raised concerns about the possibility that the government was moving too far into commercial territory, although a Whitehall source told the BBC there was no conflict of interest because the Libya oil cell had no commercial relationship with the company.
Duncan praised the firm for taking the risks in supplying a country at war, and insisted the government played no role in the commercial relations between the two. "We were not awarding contracts or encouraging [the rebels] to take sides. Vitol has always been the supplier, but equally it could have been BP and Shell but they were the only ones prepared to take the risk," he told the Times.
He denied setting up meetings personally. "Very strict procedures were set up. I would never meet anyone from the oil sector without officials there … You can draw a link but it's a very small business, the oil business."
While Libya has crude oil in abundance, it has always relied on imports of refined products. Only one refinery, in Zawiya, was in operation during the conflict. But in April the sanctions regime was failing, with refined oil being smuggled across the Tunisian border. The sanctions also appeared to be to the disadvantage of the rebels more than Gaddafi's regime, which was finding ways to circumvent it.
From June, the oil cell's elaborate schemes involved deploying Nato operations to block ships bringing the dictator refined oil, enforcing sanctions on exports, and a naval chase of the Cartegena, a Libyan-owned ship which attempted to unload thousands of tonnes of fuel in Tripoli and ended up in a stand-off outside Malta. "The fact is that three months ago if we had not intervened on the oil side and made the NSC [national security council] and Nato and coalition partners understand this there would have been a massive reversal of fortune. The east would have run out of fuel and money and Gaddafi would have kept going," a Whitehall source claimed.
Wat wil je dan beweren, dat de oorlog niet decietful en agressief was? En is het wel zo ongewenst? Het heeft toch gewerkt? Het verhaal van de enge donkere huurlingen ging erin als koek.quote:[b]Op donderdag 1 september 2011 07:56 schreef svann het volgende:
"NATO's Deceitful Libya War of Aggression and Meaning for Africa."
Nou, fantastische bron zeg.
Er doen zich zeker ongewenste zaken voor, maar deze pro-Gaddafi site blaast het wel heel erg op.
men ziet het verschil niet, maar stuur ze allmaal terug de bush in dan ben je er vanafquote:Op donderdag 1 september 2011 00:16 schreef Ronaldsen het volgende:
Ik vond het wel schokkend om te zien dat iedere zwarte wordt opgepakt als verdachte huursoldaat, terwijl het veelal gewoon gastarbeiders zijn
97% is Berber of Arabier en er zijn ongeveer 165.000 die niet Libisch staatsburger zijn dus dat zal wel meevallen (via The World Factbook)quote:Op donderdag 1 september 2011 07:56 schreef svann het volgende:
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Zou het? 2 miljoen 'zwarten'?
Gaddafi was zooo geweldig voor de afrikaanse medemens in Libië, maar geen woord over de terror van de 'bootvluchtelingen' die hij de zee op stuurde om Lampedusa/Europa de hel te geven?
Die Pro-Ghadaffi lui zien er niet erg Libisch/Afrikaans uit..quote:Op donderdag 1 september 2011 16:21 schreef VladimirPoetin het volgende:
Pro en Anti Gadaffi mensen bij de ambassade in Moskou:
Dus het waren de VS die dat naar buiten gebracht hebben? Volgens mij kwam het van journalisten ter plekke.quote:Op donderdag 1 september 2011 17:17 schreef HAKIM_1988 het volgende:
Nu weten we ook waar die 'al qaeda' verhalen vandaan komen. Van Gaddafi zelf.
The documents read: "Any information related to al-Qaeda or other terrorist extremist organisations should be found and given to the American administration but only via the intelligence agencies of either Israel, Egypt, Morroco, or Jordan? America will listen to them? It's better to receive this information as if it originated from those countries...".
Meer nog, ze zien er erg slavisch uit.. Zijn die Russen weer op hun p*k getrapt?quote:Op donderdag 1 september 2011 17:18 schreef Ugjerke het volgende:
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Die Pro-Ghadaffi lui zien er niet erg Libisch/Afrikaans uit..
Blijkbaar zijn er nog genoeg Pro-Gadaffi mensen anders was alles allang in handen van de rebellen.quote:Op donderdag 1 september 2011 17:51 schreef Disana het volgende:
http://www.nu.nl/onrust-m(...)hangers-vechten.html
Misselijkmakend om te zien hoe geniepig Gadaffi-aanhangers zijn. Waarom verdedigen ze hun land niet ipv janken via internet?quote:Op donderdag 1 september 2011 20:37 schreef VladimirPoetin het volgende:
Nee hoor de rebellen zijn uiterst voor mensenrechten, aldus de Westerse landen.
Ze vechten wel hoor?quote:Op donderdag 1 september 2011 20:40 schreef msnk het volgende:
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Misselijkmakend om te zien hoe geniepig Gadaffi-aanhangers zijn. Waarom verdedigen ze hun land niet ipv janken via internet?
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