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This is a complete list of comments Anders Behring Breivik has left at Document.no.

2010-10-29 14:08:40
Thanks for the great effort to date, Hans and Document. You are doing an incredibly important job and is considered today to be one of very few ideological alternative voices. And you will be noticed from the country's parliamentary representatives and journalists. I would even argue that the Document has become a political force in Norway, as we all know that the country's elites secretly read Document weekly! :-) You continue to make Norway a great service! :-)

I wish however to make some constructive criticism when it comes to Documents organizational and financial plans. Please do not take it personally:)

Considering Documents modest economy and that in any case, are 50 talented writers in Norway who had willingly helped more active, I think it would be a very bad idea to focus 90% of Documents assets of a permanent reporter position. Today there are a plethora of essays and articles that requested distributed without financial compensation so why spend all the funds in a reporter position? I'm pretty sure that, under the circumstances, very costly position is liquidated in the course of a two-year period when I expect that you will eventually get to the same conclusion.

It would be a pity if you ignored the suggestions and decided to squandered all the money in a potentially "politically correct" person with a background in the Marxist boot camp: Volda University College or any other journalist (Marxist) camps, etc.

What you, however should focus economic is to develop "Concept Document" socially and organizationally, primarily through the development of this blog to a solution more like a social networking f such that is linked to similar organizations in other countries (similar to a beginning of a cultural Euro-version of a Tea Party movement).

Alternatively, should you give out a monthly magazine that is distributed through Narvesen. I have already presented a detailed strategy for how this can be done. I collected all the offers from suppliers, I contacted even Narvesen and then submit this to you, Hans. Full distribution through Narvesen (2000 copies monthly magazine), can be produced for less than £. 35 000 per month, an investment guaranteed to provide "break-even" and could potentially result in twice the revenue! I do not understand why someone from the Document have not wanted to consider my proposal?

You have, at present, access to a fleet of some of the brightest talents in most industries, that would be willing to work for free. This talent is now unused. So why use up 90% of Documents agents on a reporter position?

I have worked with the project for 14 years with several projects related to web solutions, have the financial education + two other Bachelor's degrees, earned my first million as an entrepreneur at the age of 24 and have many friends who today are successful entrepreneurs in most industries. Several of my friends are experts on the development of social networking sites (one of them runs Deiligst.no, Norway's probably the most profitable online communities despite the frayed moral concept).

The point of the illustration is that you have access to very valuable skills, free, as you now refuse you to use.

I hope you will be willing to receive help in a much greater extent than you are today and instead use the modest funds for more essential costs, as outlined above.

Anyway, get on! I support you 100% no matter what you ultimately have to choose ;-)


2010-09-21 23:20:25
The main axes are the economy and culture.

They were right-wing culturally but economically leftist (not as extreme as the planned economy but still strong socialist). So it is equally wrong to call them right wing as the left extreme. They were both: P

Liberals like of course to tag them as right wing, as well as anti-socialists refer to them as the left extreme.

The third axis: authoritarian vs liberal is inappropriate to use as the main marker.


2010-09-01 08:19:15
Lasse Moer,

Japan and South Korea is much clearer examples of countries that consistently and very direct dismissed multiculturalism. This stadfested those in the 70 -, 80 -, 90-number and this confirms the very day.

The UN has for years been trying to push them to receive hundreds of thousands of refugees but the number has ended in a tiny fraction of the original claim. Europe has never chosen to run the psychological and economic warfare against them for this reason (as they do to European nations / individuals who espouse the same arguments and principles)

Multiculturalists will be very embarrassed if you mention Japan and South Korea as these nations proves quite obvious that mass immigration is only a result of specific Marxist doctrines and very rarely economically or culturally privileged. Japan / South Korea has a border and border guards. If one lacks the visa one is denied passage ... (Europe had known this scheme prior 1950-1960)

The interesting question is the, why are not Japanese and South Koreans demonized as the Nazis and fascists? The answer, we know ...

2010-06-15 11:11:55
Very good and very important article. Great work, Hans!


2010-02-17 10:56:52
The problem is that it often does not help about 80% of Muslims are "moderates", ie they ignore the Quran. "It takes very few people to overthrow a plane."

What percentage is the Taliban of Pakistan's population? 1%, 3%, 5%? And how much chaos is there today?

In every society where Islam exists there will be a certain percentage of the Muslims who actually follow the traditional interpretations of the Koran.

And then we have the relationship between conservative Muslims and so-called "moderate Muslims".

There is moderate Nazis, too, that does not support fumigation of rooms and Jews. But they're still Nazis and will only sit and watch as the conservatives Nazis strike (if it ever happens). If we accept the moderate Nazis as long as they distance themselves from the fumigation of rooms and Jews?

Now it unfortunately already cut himself with Marxists who have already infiltrated-culture, media and educational organizations. These individuals will be tolerated and will even work as professors and lecturers at colleges / universities and are thus able to spread their propaganda.

For me it is very hypocritical to treat Muslims, Nazis and Marxists differ. They are all supporters of hate-ideologies. Not all Muslims, Nazis and Marxists are conservative, most are moderate. But does it matter? A moderate Nazi might, after having experienced fraud, choose to be conservative. A moderate Muslim can, after being refused to enter a club, be conservative, etc.

It is obvious that the moderate supporters of hate-ideologies, at a later date may choose conservatism.

Islam (ism) has historically led to 300 million deaths
Communism has historically led to 100 million deaths
Nazism has historically led to 6-20 million deaths

ALL hate ideologies should be treated equally.

2010-02-16 19:25:24
According to two studies supports 13% of young British Muslims between 15 and 25 Al Qaeda ideology. UK representative for Norway, so I would guess that at least 15-20% of Norwegian Muslims support murder of gays. There is certainly no fewer that supports the killing of gays than to support Al Qaeda.

2010-02-02 13:35:11
I completely agree that Obama is a brilliant retoriker and communicator, one of the best we've seen over the past 30 years.

But firstly, we can not and should not compare the cultural struggle in the U.S. with that in Europe. Rhetoric must and should be different. The average "right click" - Republican in the U.S. is a "libertarian" (anti-socialist but pro multikulti) while the average conservative in Europe is much more anti-multikulti but arguments based on cultural resistance against Islamization.

The so-called anti-multiculti in the U.S. based their rhetoric on ethnocentrism alone which thus differs greatly from Europeans. This is the main reason that we must separate the American and European cultural struggle. I usually stay away from American issues as a result.

Regardless of whether we are in the U.S. or Europe, it is essential you have to ask about the following:

When was that multiculturalism ceased to be an ideology designed to deconstruct a European culture, traditions, identity and nation-states? If you support a leader who propagate multikulti (ideology as of this writing systematically deconstructs Western civilization), one can not then just as well stick to the class struggle or the MSM?

And if we then think that multiculturalism wonderful doctrines is the main cause of the ongoing Islamization of Europe and the U.S., one should not criticize multiculturalism while leading No. 1, the one Jesus Christ Obama for his fundamental principles?

Failure to criticize him, you have not then accepted the multiculturalism wonderful premise?

2010-01-25 05:20:24
Public Enemy, Carl Christian,

What you manages to come up with here is nothing but very nasty control techniques.

You claim that all Norwegians who do not follow landsmo (s) container Gro Harlem Brundtland definition, is racist:

"Everyone always holds a Norwegian passport is full Norwegians" ... Which means that even Somali coach (with a Norwegian passport) who chew qat all day, banks send the wife and half the benefit of al-Shabaab should be viewed as a full Doe.

If anyone in this country dared to look at the Somali coach as anything other than a full-Smith are the racists and need to burn marked public. And you say that everyone who disagrees with their extreme kulturmarxistiske world view - the utopian, global citizen definition are racists?

In that case, I think you have labeled 95% of the population that just this but it does just a minor role for you?

You are only committed to paralyze all the debate in society, to silence all those who are not of the same opinion as you, to exercise social control in line with the conservative Muslims in Greenland? Once a person takes off his "ideological veil" his is where you as soon as the troll you are.

Sorry, but it does not work anymore. More will be increasingly immune to rule techniques due to their massive inflation rhetoric.

I think the majority of Norwegians require full cultural assimilation (European culture) to calculate the second as full Norwegians. His his analysis is thus correct. Norwegian passport is irrelevant in this context. Get over it ...!

:-)

2010-01-24 10:45:19
The problem with the Progress Party have become that in their etterstrebenhet after reaching up to the multiculturalism fantastic claims and humanism suisidale ideals they have in many ways thrown out the baby with the bath water.

Genuine resistance has been reduced to listening to the PR agency and do 2-3 tactical statements before each election, to ensure the voices of the core.

The vast majority of new faces in the Progress Party is now politically correct career politicians and not in any way idealists who are willing to take risks and work for idealistic goals.

The comic is that even though they have thrown almost all principles of garbage dump and reduced cultural struggle to "reduce the flow of asylum with a couple of thousand" is still burning brand in public, ridiculed, harassed and isolated by the humanist-Marxist.

Parliamentary Representatives from the Progress Party, should at least read the document every single day and involved a bit when it is their duty to be the people's voice. Unfortunately, very few of them at all know what the document is about something, and fewer than 5% of them know what taqiyya and naskh is.

F example. when a combined force chose to ignore the Swedish and French intifada before the last election for strategic reasons, which later cost FrP maybe 5%, should Siv have instructed all of his people to call the ARK and other newsrooms and forced them to cover this about this.

I have great respect for how the Marxist-humanist networks in Norway are able to use their power optimally through "force Multiplication" and cooperation.

They are insanely hard-working, skilled in the consolidation and hard-working and most on the right side has a lot to learn from them.

2010-01-22 02:53:39
I'm tempted to get in touch with the owners and would reflect their success through restructuring through my leadership. This will involve kicking all remaining kulturmarxister and start with the cultural conservative coverage as the first major newspaper in Norway (critical of multiculturalism / Islamization). It is realistic to believe that the circulation will then have the potential to reach up to 120-200k.

It surprises me that there are no more "cultural conservative entrepreneurs" in the Kingdom of Norway?

Do you think the owners will have a positive attitude to such proposals?, P

I will not be a good option when I have absolutely zero knowledge of editorial processes. I think however, Hans Rustad should be responsible for the editorial and invite them to consider his concept. I think the timing of this is optimal at this moment!

There are 15 kulturmarxistiske politically correct tree trunk, back in Norway and not a single cultural conservative. The first cultural conservative (not politically correct) the publication will be GUARANTEED success.


2010-01-19 11:25:11
Very good article:) It helps to push the debate to a new level.

2010-01-02 14:20:13
There are political forces in Oslo who want to mass-act subsidized / low cost "Islam-blocks" in Oslo West for "better integration". As far as I know, only the Progress Party / Conservatives who oppose the moment so it can actually become a reality over the next decade.

If this ever becomes the case, many of Oslo West move to Bærum (and most will eventually follow).

Hm, but where do you move when this policy when Bærum?


2009-12-31 14:12:48
Lars M,

"Globalization and modernity are irreversible phenomena."

Classic multiculturalism drug propaganda. What is globalization and modernity to do with mass Muslim immigration?

And you may not have heard and Japan and South Korea? These are successful and modern regimes even if they rejected multiculturalism in the 70's. Are Japanese and South Koreans goblins?

Can you name ONE country where multiculturalism is successful where Islam is involved? The only historical example is the society without a welfare state with only non-Muslim minorities (U.S.).

This I expect that everyone knows when it is elementary documented truths.

What I can never understand is why multiculturalism seats (which traditionally has consisted of and / or have been supported by the labor movement) have failed to understand that multiculturalism will destroy the future welfare (as social Cohesion / confidence / willingness to let the tax) dollars in line with the spread of multiculturalism?

Best case scenario for Europe is that we end up with a super-capitalist system such as the U.S. with large sub-class / class differences.

It does not sound very humanistic out:) But then we are certainly not goblins anymore?


2009-12-31 09:30:01
Supra, Aesop, Ira

It's getting only two basic concepts many use to describe the cultural point of view.

Conservative Culture (of order preservation / patiot / nationalist / monokulturalist) and kulturmarxistisk (internationalist / multiculturalists / kosmopolitanist / globalist).

Although the majority of humanists but also many liberals are anti-nationalists, and is therefore by definition kulturmarxister. Promote either multiculturalism (cultural Marxism) or monoculture (nationalist), there is nothing in between, even though most do not dare to admit this yet. Well, there's the multi-culture without Islam is a middle ground.

However, it is possible that THE does not meet the criteria for a Marxist / Communist but all internationalists are kulturmarxister.

It's also a known fact that street newspaper is an anarcho-Marxist newspaper and NOT an anarchist newspaper. Anarchism can be both Marxist-oriented and nationalist-oriented. Street newspaper is far from nationalistic one can get;)

The old definitions often do not apply anymore. Eg. the British Tories who actually still dare to call themselves conservatives support kulturmarxisme / multiculturalism and should be renamed.

One can not support kulturmarxisme / multiculturalism and simultaneously call themselves conservative, although some might not agree with me:)

The majority on the right side has unfortunately not yet found out that one must defeat multiculturalism in order to defeat the Islamization as many still see themselves as multiculturalists.

This will inevitably change and clarified to a greater extent for most of the next decade when the polarization will increase.

Sometime in the future, most will have to flag the point of view, you will have to make a choice: nationalism or internationalism.

Unfortunately, there is still much stigma attached to the word "nationalism" as I usually use the word culture conservative:)

2009-12-30 07:14:01
The problem is that Europe lost the Cold War already in 1950, the moment they allowed Marxists / anti-nationalists to ravage freely, without restrictions for the positions they could have and the power positions they had the opportunity to obtain the (teacher / professor positions in particular).

The result, in particular Norway and Sweden is the extreme Marxist attitudes have become acceptable / everyday while the old-established truths of patriotism and cultural conservatism today is branded as extremism (of kulturmarxister and humanists). Anti-nationalist attitudes have unfortunately not only become mainstream but is now required as a basis attitudes to be able to climb in PK hierarchies.

There are not many prominent kulturmarxister actually admits the purpose behind dennne anti-national and "Marxist grand scheme" but nobody can say it better than Thomas Hylland Eriksen:

"The main challenge is now to deconstruct the majority and do it thoroughly so that it can never be called majority anymore"

"Something like that could contribute both to understanding and liberation."

http://www.culcom.uio.no/nyheter/2008/hylland-eriksen.html

This is clearly the extremist hate-speech. It admits Eriksen, on behalf of many European kulturmarxister that the goal is to create a Marxist utopia, a world without borders ruled by the UN, an opinion which is the main doctrine of Marxist thinking. To achieve this, the people declared insane (racist / Nazi) and anti-democratic methods can therefore be allowed to replace the people by allowing the systematic colonization of the developing world.

In a society where Marxist extremists Thomas Hylland Eriksen is allowed to practice freely within the bounds of political correctness, other more moderate humanists / kulturmarxister (extremists), as Mads Gilbert and Erik Fosse appear frigjørngshelter (Nazis (Jews) should be crushed just like the Nazi Germany).

Had Western Europe and the U.S. decided to imprison all Marxists (Nazis and Marxists) after WW2 and swearing Marxist principles of hate ideology similar to Nazism, we had never been in the current situation.

But we learn at least as long as we live. I doubt that a future patriotic regime will make that mistake again, if we manage to save the West before it is too late ...:-)

2009-12-25 09:58:33
I have never understood why the West focus so disproportionately on Iran and so little on the Wahhabi Saudi leadership, which after all is the most dangerous and most powerful Muslim central power. We should, of course, as soon as the bombing suspect their facilities but otherwise focus much more on Saudi. Could it be something that Iran is not a major oil exporter?

Shias make up a relatively small proportion of Muslims and has absolutely no influence on the Sunnis.

I would actually argue that we undermine our own interests by unilaterally attacking the only relatively weak alternative to Sunni Islam. If Iran falls to Wahhabi position strengthened considerably, since they have no competitors.

We should not forget that Saudi Arabia and several other Sunni Muslim countries want to destroy Iran. Nor is Iran that has built 300-500 Wahhabi centers around around Europe of the finances only 2 of 30 Jihad Fronts around the around the world.

2009-12-17 18:36:54
Hans, Aesop,

Article Series Ekstremistan I, II, III is one of the best that has ever been here. Incredibly well written, Hans:)

Well, I think one of our problems is that for many individuals (especially liberals) on the right side helps to cannibalizing their own opinion allies. The reason is related to some of the many decades of brainwashing kulturmarxistisk. For others it may be due to cowardice or fear of helping to create something that may one day evolve to an even worse alternative.

Many people who try to consolidate on the right side of the present organizational structure, bulleted lists or ideological banners (and to push for specific agendas and deadlines are followed to achieve the organizational goals) will be criticized by individuals who want to limit opposition to the "essay critique / criticism of the system ". They hope well that this alone will be NOK that the kulturmarxistiske elites / hegemony will realize how stupid and ugly they have been?

Before "we" can do something, there must be a "we". Consolidation is the only option and resistance can not be limited to "essay critique / criticism of the system." Progress Party is already established. But it must work actively to ensure cultural conservative control over NGOs (old or new) and also help to create youth organizations (national newspaper is obviously the most important but this is already on the agenda).

I know that Hans and Aesop disagree with me ang this (because they are afraid to help create a monster which they later will lose control over) but this will take you wrong :-)

And I hope you are tough NOK to discuss this rather than to censor it out:).

Key words for discussion:

"Can dissidence, alone, save us or are we going to finally start to consolidate the cultural conservatives on all fronts?"

2009-12-09 17:14:41
Here is a nice overview - 10 reasons why the modern church will die:

http://gku...ist-christianity-will-die.html

I myself am a Protestant and baptized / confirmed to me by my own free will when I was 15

But today's Protestant church is a joke. Priests in jeans who march for Palestine and churches that look like the minimalist shopping centers. I am a supporter of an indirect collective conversion of the Protestant church back to the Catholic. In the meantime, I vote for the most conservative candidates in church elections.

The only thing that can save the Protestant church is to go back to basics.

2009-12-09 10:50:32
The day Dokument.no launched as a national publication in papir-/nett edition with a circulation of 2000 + should editors / management of the company moderating them, of course, whichever is the goal in terms of circulation and ideological goals. F example, one can allow themselves to be less moderate in an edition of 2000 100 000 This is obvious.

It is essential that editors acting in a manner that is appropriate for the company and its ideological goal (if documented at all have any ideological goals). It must also be considered whether in the future (at 20, 50, 100K circulation) should be allowed to comment on articles, in addition to specifying the restrictions to express themselves in that way.

- If only individuals who believe that the other party is "weak" to express themselves?
- Are individuals who believe that parts of the other party acting under conscious ideological affiliations being censored?

- If only individuals who have a humanistic view of news reporting to express themselves?
- Are those individuals who want to convey clear cultural conservative ideological affiliations being censored?

These questions can only be answered when setting up their ideological principles. In all cases there should be an open and honest line to himself and his readers as much as possible.

I think the editors of the future (soon) will have to go in themselves and specify their objectives (the goal of humanistic nature or will it be clear ideological principles of reason). I'm curious about the editorial staff at all have a clear ideological beliefs / goals (an ideological agenda as other publications seem to have: class struggle, the Times, partly Broadcasting Corporation, etc.) or is the goal of humanistic art?

Humanities in the sense that it is a duty to examine the other side of an issue (where other publications certainly fail). Is it true that the basis for dokument.no should be driven by a "humanistic duty" and not driven by any kind of ideological ambition (cultural conservative or otherwise)?

This discussion should not be taken here of course but should be note for editors and, if possible, be discussed on Thursday:)

It is important to clarify these fundamental issues early when a possible involvement of other parties, such as culture, conservative political parties / NGOs / investors / volunteers will be depended on to clarify this before any are willing to give their financial / organizational support to the Document.

It is well known that commercial publications (ranging from CNN, BBC, Dagbladet, Fox) is clear but often "unofficial ideological platforms" as it is expected that employees will follow. Such ideological principles is necessary to have an unofficial "ideological mutiny clause" that prevents unwanted future developments.

F as Lou Dobbs of CNN was hit by the unofficial section and he ultimately chose to go. It is not unlikely that he was forced out because he changed his ideological standpoint in the course of his career. He became more and more critical of Muslim mass immigration to the U.S. which was not consistent with CNN's politically correct line.

The document is currently relatively innocent, but the price one must pay for success is often loss of innocence:) For better or for worse.

All idealistic projects / individuals experiencing this identity phase / crisis as soon as they want to cross a certain more or less commercial barrier:)


2009-12-06 23:39:10
Hårstad,

I strongly doubt that your theory is correct. The whole conflict between GDP and EDL started with a change of leadership in the EDL for a few months ago. They threw out the racist and denounced the BNP. They chose instead SIOE's ideological basis that is more or less mainstream view on the right side in Western Europe now (Vienna School of Thought).

Nick was very offended and began to demonize the EDL. Although they are now attacking each other as they compete not at all as these are two quite different fronts. 90% of all votes in the EDL continued GDP (Since this is the only alternative to multikulti in the UK) and 90% of GDP supports EDL regardless of what Nick had to think.

Second, Labour governs intelligence service. They had never in his life supported the EDL as these create a lot of positive attention for the cultural conservative movement in the UK.

I have on some occasions discussed with SIOE and EDL and recommended them to use conscious strategies.

The tactics of the EDL is now out to "entice" an overreaction from Jihad Youth / Extreme-Marxists something they have succeeded several times already. Over The reaction has been repeatedly shown on the news which has booster EDLs ranks high. This has also benefited GDP. WinWin for both.

But I must say I am very impressed with how quickly they have grown but this has to do with smart tactical choice by management.

EDL is an example and a Norwegian version is the only way to prevent Flash / SOS to harass Norwegian cultural conservatives from other fronts. Creating a Norwegian EDL should be No. 3 on the agenda after we have started up a cultural conservative newspaper with national distribution.

The agenda of the Norwegian cultural conservative movement over the next 5 years are therefore:

1. Newspaper with national distribution
2. Working for the control of several NGOs
3. Norwegian EDL

2009-12-06 13:26:53
Jarle J

You raise many interesting points. I've even made lists of these networks, which I will launch my book. It is essential to counter this is to continue the consolidation (the paste into charts earlier of specific tasks and activities, annual plans etc. to systematically regain control of specific NGOs and strengthen the cultural conservatives of all 7 different political fronts. Another important task is to create a cultural conservative media company with national distribution. We are in the process.

Ang your choice of an ideological basis. 50 years of efforts by the ethnocentric organizations / movements (from 1960-2009) has failed completely. We know this and further focus, illumination of these strategies will only be counter-productive and potentially very damaging to the current Norwegian and European cultural conservative movement.

Ethnocentric movements that BNP, National Front is not successful and will never be able to get over 10% support (GDP 5%, the UN has 7%). One can not fight racism (multikulti) with racism. Ethnocentrism is therefore the complete opposite of what we want to achieve.

We have selected the Vienna School of Thought as the ideological basis. This implies opposition to multiculturalism and Islamization (on cultural grounds). All ideological arguments based on anti-racism.

This has proven to be very successful which explains why the modern cultural conservative movement / parties that use the Vienna School of Thought is so successful: the Progress Party, Geert Wilders, document and many others.

Ethnocentrism is contrary to the principles of the Vienna School of Thought which is why you surely have been censored in the past.

I have worked several years for the Progress Party and guarantee you that the Progress Party had less than 10% support if they had not chosen Vienna School of Thought as an ideological basis.

Yes, we will defeat the multiculturalism / kulturmarxisme finally (as this is very discriminatory and racist). But we must do it in the correct ideological grounds.

2009-12-05 15:50:16
Hårstad,

It had been strategically and fun PR stunt, Hårstad:)

It is actually very interesting for us younger generations to learn about Norwegian Marxist movement, the former power conflicts, etc.

I got the impression that the more "hardcore" Marxists have been denied key posts in the AP after WW2. They were instead predicted leading positions in various colleges / universities, newspaper managements and NGOs?

Can you confirm whether there have been some organizational incentives / assisting behind this or is simply Marxists exceptional career conscious and able to climb in the cultural hierarchy?

I've always wondered what happened to the Norwegian fascist movement in Norway? Has it never existed or cut they are simply the politics and focused on the business after WW2?

Do you know exactly how Aftenposten was the coup and when that happened? They supported the NS during WW2. Was leadership imprisoned or replaced immediately after the war?

2009-12-05 08:42:59
In all cases.

It is very important that we here in the document does not restrict our "political commitment" to this page. There is great political upheavals taking place in Western Europe at this moment (a subversion of gressrotnivå). The cultural conservative movement is growing at record speed and it is a consolidation process going on in all Western European countries. ANYONE can contribute and every contribution counts:) The best thing you can do in Norway is to support Dokument.no either financially or through volunteer work. Visit the various Norwegian debate forum and market articles on the Dokument.no. With dedicated effort, I am sure that the document has the potential to become the new "Event".

He will soon present their ideas for how this can be done.

I recommend to you all also strongly recommended to extend Facebook their networks, using the daily quota of 50 invitations to connect with Brits, French, Swedes, etc. Join groups that SIOE - Stop the Islamisation of Europe, Against Multiculturalism, join Progress Party, if anything:)

Watch the pages gatesofvienna, brussels journal, Jihad Watch, religionofpeace etc.

Read Fjord Man's work "Defeating Eurabia". This is f as the perfect Christmas gift for family and friends.

Add: Analekta Informatics on Facebook. This group communicates news articles that are unknown to most people. Very good news that the document can use if desired.

It is especially important that we, the Norwegian cultural conservatives, are making an effort. Norway and Sweden are among the world's most repressive regimes the press (press censorship) when it comes to a critical view of Islamization and multiculturalism.

The biggest mistake most people make is they assume that "someone else" to make efforts for them. There is no other, it's just us;)

Looking forward to meeting as many as possible of you on Thursday:). Let's hope his not choose Blitz Café or International:)).

(To Adde me on Facebook please send an email to year2083@gmail.com)

2009-12-05 07:41:50
Speaking of stubborn multiculturalists. I remember a story from the Oslo newspaper Aftenposten for approx. 6 months ago very good (I find, unfortunately, not this).

I can remember that it was a school in the City Center East, in a class where there was only a single Norwegian boy again (the majority were Muslims). Most others had taken their children out of school. The mother of this boy was, of course, a hardcore Marxist who died and life was to prove that multiculturalism and Islam will be functioning. She refused to move to another area or take him out of school. Her son would prove once and for all that Islamophobes on documents and other cultural conservatives were wrong and that it WAS possible.

The poor boy was harassed for several years until satisfactory one day he began to self harm. He told his marxistmor that he wanted to die. Only after this the mother realized that she had been wrong. The result was that they moved to another neighborhood and changing schools.

So one should not underestimate the fact how "hardcore" some of these kulturmarxistene is. I'm sure some of these actually had sacrificed their own children just to prove this sick Marxist theory.

But there are, after all, some justice up in it all. The positive for us, the cultural conservatives, is that we are among the first to protect our children, we move to safe areas where our children do not need to live in dhimmitude.

It is often the children of the boundless naive and Marxist kids who end up as victims. The irony here is that those who survive with psyche intact ends up as a dedicated cultural conservatives or to with which etnosentrerte of great frustration for their kulturmarxistiske or humanist parents:))

2009-12-05 07:14:39
Lars M,

tell me one country where Muslims have lived peacefully with non-Muslims without the Jihad against Kafr (dhimmitude, systematic slaughter or demographic warfare)?

I could name 40 countries / areas where this has had catastrophic consequences for non-Muslims. Can you please name ONE single example where it has managed to assimilate the Muslims? You seem limitless naive. Of course, some integrate but it is completely the result that counts (everything else is irrelevant).

How many thousands of new Europeans must die, how many one hundred thousand European women should be raped, millions robbed and tractor discarded before you understand that multiculturalism + Islam does not work?

Why do you think Norway will be the first country in the world for the last 1400 years in which this will succeed?

History repeats itself forever.

2009-12-04 23:40:02
Trondb: There is no doubt that what I say ang mass exodus match any documents proving the following:

http://www.dagsavisen.no/innenriks/article418561.ece

And you can check back in 10 years, then the number will be 70-80 schools, 100-120 in 20 years:) The majority of these are Muslims, although this is not mentioned.

Supra, we all know that people on the right Aslak Nore can forget about getting anything published. Believe me, we have tried at all for years. We had of course had a greater chance to penetrate the kulturmarxistiske press censorship if any of us had had a Somali background, or was an Egyptian copter but I am unfortunately not:). You must also remember that there is no free press in Norway. Aftenposten was the ONLY culture conservative newspaper in Norway, but they were known as the coup of kulturmarxister in 1972. 100% of the national media companies now support multiculturalism full heart and none of these will help to undermine this ideology.

It should at least be mentioned that the situation improves drastically from the man is 18 years. The reason is that most of the Muslims I spoke not have grades to get into good VGS. Many of these are either craftsmen, unemployed or criminals. It is especially in the age group 12-18 that a large group of Norwegian have it hard when they have to go to open public schools with the most hateful Muslims in the city.

quote:

2009-12-04 20:08:02
Hans,

Well, the essence is that Muslim boys learn æreskodekser, pride in their own religion, culture and cultural conservative values ​​at home while Norwegian men have been feminized and teacher excessive tolerance. This makes them totally unprepared for what awaits them ... The curriculum at the school now consists also largely of the demonization of our ancestors (evil imperialists, big farmers who raped maids, bloodthirsty Crusaders who invaded the peaceful Muslims) as it gives a victim the role of Muslims. The result is that Norwegian girls aged 12-18 are particularly vulnerable and often oppressed. They lack pride, æreskodekser and a correct understanding of Islam.

There have now been a mass exodus of non-Muslims from Oslo East in 20 years, even if the media refuses to cover this trend. The reason is simple. People do not want to be oppressed, they do not want to live like other citizens rangs (dhimmitude). Parents observe but can not do much. There are of course very dependent on the situation. If it is 50% Muslims in school or only 2%. It is often easiest to move in instead of letting your child carry the "integration issue" on their shoulders.

In many ways intensified the polarization between Muslim and non-Muslim youth among the younger generations. There are ten times as many Muslim gangs as non-Muslim. Abuse and harassment is perceived as clear racism and frustration is high because the media ignores this racism in total. 100 racial / Jihadi murder of Norwegians in the last 15 years are totally ignored as a single murder of a Norwegian racist resulting in a torchlight procession in which 50 000 participants and establishing a Memorial Fund.

Many young people are apathetic as a result, others are very racist.

I got the impression that the younger generations in Oslo not quite manage to see the political context here. They see the racist attack but do not fully understand that this is Jihad (political / cultural attacks). They repay why they perceive as racism with racism.

My hope is that they will see the cultural / political context, but one should not ignore the fact that the new generations of young people going in the direction of ethnocentrism.

Young people need solutions, and currently there are no anti-racist youth culture conservative options. Some people choose the options that exist, that it is ethnocentric.

I dare not even think of how many Norwegian children who have been suicide because of these experiences (assault, robbery, rape, psychological terror committed by Muslim youths). There are probably several hundred in the last 15 years.

Well, this is certainly part of the reason that the Progress Party was larger than the AP at the last school elections ...

The special thing here is that if we had removed the Muslim vote at the last school elections in Oslo, the Progress Party ended up about 30-40% support.

2009-12-04 17:01:55
Non-Muslim youth in Oslo aged 12-18 are in a particularly vulnerable situation in terms of harassment of Muslim youth. I myself am born and raised here and chose out of necessity to the friendships / alliances with A and B team to move freely. The alternative is that you stick to your neighborhood or west side. I know of hundreds of incidents where non-Muslims were robbed, beaten and harassed by Muslim gangs. Top My friend aged 12-17 was Pakistan that I was one of the protected sphere "potatoes" who had protection. But I saw hypocrisy at close range and was disgusted. Muslim gangs have / could devastate free (racism / Jihad behavior), while all attempts "potatoes" do / did to make the same thread are systematically stamped on racism and deconstructed by the local police.

No wonder the Progress Party won the school election. It grows up to a new generation dhimmifisert youth who actually know what Islam and dhimmitude is in contrast to the white politicians and journalists who choose to move to Oslo in 20-30 years of age.

I'm glad I've always lived in Oslo West. For it must be hell on the Oslo East: o

Arild,

There's a bunch of no-go zones in most American cities. The LA's most famous - Compton, Crenshaw, Watts, Inglewood, etc. but it can not be directly compared with the situation in Europe while the Afro-Americans are Christians, etc.

2009-12-04 04:10:42
Yellow - here is the definition of an "Islamic no-go zone"

There are more than 30 Islamic no-go zones in Norway and those in other Western European countries, proportional to the Muslim concentrations in various cities. There are probably many more than 751 in France. Guaranteed more than 1000, and it is growing every day!

Here is the definition:

An Islamic no-go zone:

1. There, drunk, scantily clad non-Muslim girls / women can travel without the imminent threat of rape, violence, robbery, harassment.

2. Where non-Muslim young people can travel without imminent danger of harassment, robbery, violence by Muslim gangs and / or individuals.

3. Where non-Muslim people to express individuality in all the free forms (including religious, sexual, cultural) without the imminent threat of physical / psychological harassment or robbery from Muslims.

Parts of Holmlia, Furuset and many other areas of the Oslo East / Oslo is obvious Islamic no-go zones.

Why do you think non-Muslims move from these areas? Why do you think the Muslim enklavisering continue? The existing 30 Islamic no-go zonene in Norway is increasing every day.

Large parts of Serbia is today a no-go zone for non-Muslim Serbs (Kosovo), to name an extreme. Muslims now require passports from the Christians! An Islamic no-go zone is being developed from the first Muslim family moves into an area where non-Muslims must live in a varying degree of dhimmitude. No one accepts this, so they move away from these Islamic no-go zones. This in turn makes it even harder for the remaining dhimmis to live normally. The results is that the Muslim no-go zonene / enclaves are growing dramatically every day!

Non-Muslims want to live in freedom, not under dhimmitude.

Any area where the non-Muslim citizens or those who travel are experiencing varying degrees of dhimmitude (restriction of their freedom, violence, harassment because they are Muslims and follow the sharia, go with the hijab, etc) is by definition an Islamic no-go zone .

Yellow, I'm impressed regardless of your knowledge related to the rhetorical deconstruction and your rhetorical skills in general. We have much to learn from kulturmarxister in this area.

2009-12-03 12:29:47
Donald,

The number is 270-300 million (not billion). Approximately 80 to 150 were Hindus who were killed in the east-Jihad campaigns (Hindu Kush) before and after the conquest of Sindh, which lasted in an organized manner until the British arrived.

Hindus and Buddhists were shown no mercy whatsoever in the first centuries, in contrast to the book.

Today's "space folk / Gypsies" are descendants of the Hindu slaves who were brought over the Hindu Kush. Tens of thousands of these gypsies fled when the Caliphate lost in 1683, in Vienna (they brought about 100,000 slaves in the Vienna-campaign). There were so many of them made it to Europe.

Hindu Kush genocide is the largest in human history. Ironically NOK is the government of India worse when it comes to indulgence than self kulturmarxistene in Western Europe.

To hide the genocide similar Hitler x 45 can not be described as anything but insane.

2009-12-03 01:21:04
Hlund, Fjordman, Hårstad, Rust

I'm NOK much later in the game than him when I have only been politically active for 13 years. I førstegenerasjonsdhimmi (Generation Y). I was active Oslo FrP / FpU in the first 6-7 years (in the cultural conservatives + laissez faire capitalist / liberal camp) and contributed to the Progress Party's success before I stopped. I felt the time was more important to help develop / promote the political doctrines abroad especially British, German, French, American). I ran the business a few years while I studied and earned a few million so I could finance a inntektsløs politically active life. I now use these funds to be able to work full time to further develop / promote the Vienna Academy (Vienna school of thought) that Fjordman, Bat Yeor, Spencer + many others have already contributed so much till. The last three years I worked full time with a cultural conservative works that will help to further develop / promote these political doctrines further.

Anyway, I consider the future consolidation of the cultural conservative forces on all seven fronts as the most important in Norway and in all Western European countries. It is essential that we work to ensure that all these 7 fronts using the Vienna school of thought, or at least parts of the grunlag for 20-70 year-struggle that lies in front of us.

The book is called, by the way 2083 and is in English, 1100 pages).

To sums up the Vienna school of thought:

- Cultural Conservatism (anti-multiculturalism)
- Against Islamization
- Anti-racist
- Anti-authoritarian (resistance to all authoritarian ideologies of hate)
- Pro-Israel/forsvarer of non-Muslim minorities in Muslim countries
- Defender of the cultural aspects of Christianity
- To reveal the Eurabia project and the Frankfurt School (ny-marxisme/kulturmarxisme/multikulturalisme)
- Is not an economic policy and can collect everything from socialists to capitalists

Frankfurt School (kulturmarxisme) is a very ambitious unofficial ideology (and quite unknown to most) and they have succeeded in most areas (except to smash capitalism, European Christianity and European identity, traditions, culture). Vienna school is more a defense against this where we often use the Marxist 'own creations against them (sexual liberation, feminism, liberalism, anti-racism, anti-autoriære arguments).

Vienna school of thought is far from a complete ideology but consists of principles and ideas that are constantly under development. It is unofficial and does not necessarily ever to be recognized.

2009-12-02 19:57:10
I think that people often forget the very definition of the word "conspiracy". What is it?

To conspire is to work in common (among peers) to another group / the other group's interests (conspiracy) or to implement a particular goal / agenda.

All groups with a political agenda conspire directly or indirectly. Whether they will admit this or not is irrelevant. Document, like all other political led entities (such as class struggle, N (A) RK, cnn, daily newspaper. The clue is that everyone working toward a specific political goal conspire (us included, we are cultural conservatives (> 10%), the other is kulturmarxister (> 10%), Muslim (supports kulturmarxistene by default) (> 5%) kapitalistglobalister (> 1%), and so we have the gray mass in the middle (consisting of many humanists, and others who either sympathize with Marxists or the conservative. This is the group (80%) that we all try to "win the favor of."

A large proportion of multiculturalism seats are not Marxists but rather either naive humanists (KrF, V, Cr, half said, half-Right) or gobalist capitalists (half right).

Many of these "true humanists" being manipulated by "false humanists" (Marxists) that so often hides his true agenda by playing on humanism.

This is obvious to me, but still theories. I know that many want to implement a Marxist agenda (they have a Marxist background) but we can not prove it 100%, ergo there will be theories.

People can of course do not prove this unless all from a political group had admitted it (and they are not going to do). It does not mean that the truth about people's political motives are obvious.

Individual's background tells all about their intentions). Eg. It is a known fact that Barroso was a member of the Portuguese Communist Party in the past. But it is harder to roll up and prove that he and hundreds of other central European elites want to implement the Marxist doctrines through the EU. This is where the martyr-ideologues rails. They come with the charges, presents theories, do battle plan, other more moderate helping themselves from this and look at what this theoretical material that can be used at the present time, as appropriate, etc.

To get back to the point. The word "conspiracy theory" is often associated with something very negative. But it is in fact very often the central truths that still lack evidence, only assertions that have not yet been proven. In time the truth will come out for ALL;)

In the meantime, we share with the mainstream what is "appropriate" at this time;)

A little theory is appropriate if it is in line with people's perceptions:) And of course it's important to consistently (slowly) stretching the elastic to help ensure that these perceptions are moving towards the truth.

Hårstad,

I'm generally quite reluctant to move, and theorize too much ang U.S. due to the conditions which are different from those in Europe. They are dominated by Christian immigration, which is not the case here. We are indigenous to Europe, some Americans are not in the U.S., etc. This does not mean that the development does not unfold the way you describe (though it currently lacks evidence NOK), but I do not think it's necessarily appropriate to put too much emphasis on the U.S. geopolit. at this time. I actually believe the U.S. their fate (and the fate of multiculturalism / kulturmarxisme) will be settled in France in 20-70 years. The indications suggest it.

It is actually essential that people like yourself and Fjordman continues to develop theories of their (our). These are about to lay the foundation for our "Vienna School". What moderate cultural conservatives believe this work should worry less about. They will come after a few years and shout "hallelujah" when "NOK" evidence supporting these claims;)

2009-12-02 00:56:39
Hårstad / Fjordman,

Do not take it personally but rather as a compliment. You will have to read between the lines sometimes (we have actually gone so far that we have learned some of the Marxists - war is deceit, etc. ..). The truth is there. But do not believe that truth can only benefit us, it can actually harm us if we do not use it properly. The truth is so ugly that it has the potential to scare many moderates cultural conservatives back into apathy. Yes, you (we are right), but we have not such a bad self-image that we have to gloat with it all the time?

To put it another way. It is critical that individuals / ideologues who Fjordman / Hårstad presents the unpackaged truth to other moderate but experienced cultural conservatives. These moderate cultural conservatives will then make their own judgments and take the necessary precautions. If you believe that the broad strata (individuals who do not have the same intellectual conservative culture knowledge like us) are ready for the full packaged truth will take you wrong. I, with several years of study of this truth is still sick and poor to think about it. What do you think an a-political people had been? He had most likely been shocked and moved to Svalbard or continue to lie to themselves.

Dokument.no has the potential to become an even more influential media company if they play their cards right. When the goal is to reach the broad masses must Dokument.no thus moderating them. The purpose of the media companies / NGOs is to convey as much of sanheten that is "appropriate", the goal is after all the important, not the means. Thus, there is also in the cards that they can and want to acknowledge doctrines of very specific individuals ONLY if it is appropriate.

I see such ideologues as a martyr-ideologues (I might be in this category, even with similar theories, even though I was not familiar with Fjord Man's works until 2008). They provide the basic ideological lines to more moderate individuals, the ugly truth beauty, foundation, other more moderate build on this. It will often be expedient to distance himself from these martyr-ideologues for tactical reasons (especially if your goal is to reach out to the large masses). How is the game whether we like it or not. Individuals have different functions. Do not be offended because of that, but take it rather as a compliment;)

Do you think kulturmarxister will ever be so stupid that they admit that they want to implement Marx's doctrines? The fact that they use humanism to advance a Marxist utopia? No, they distance themselves from Marx for strategic reasons. They are not born yesterday and it is not we.

We were honest once, but Marx and Muhammad has forced us to become more like them, unfortunately.

They had their "Frankfurt School". We are going to develop our own "Vienna School" of necessity.

Embrace it! DE has made the rules, we just follow them.

2009-12-01 12:02:38
Eddy,

Controllers - dominate, not necessarily very big difference. The common denominator in all historical cases, dhimmitude + demographic warfare. Are non-Muslims on Furuset, Holmlia today dhimmis? Yes, of course they do. Why do you think they systematically choose to move?

Why do you think Furuset, Holmlia and other areas in Oslo soon be emptied of non-Muslims? Enklaviseringen in Oslo East continues slowly but surely every day.

For those words must have it with a teaspoon (this may be fine with a small demographic history reminder now and then):


Kosovo demographical development [1]:

1900 40% Islam
1913 50%
1925 60%
1948 72%
1971 79%
1981 85%
2008 93%

Source:

1. http://www.serbianna.com/columns/savich/011.shtml # 6


Lebanon demographical development - (Christian / Muslim pop) [1]:

1911 to 21% Islam
1921 to 45%
1932 to 49%
1943 to 48%
1970 to 58% (Civil War 1975-1990 started When Islam reached 60%)
1990 to 65% (Christians lost the war)
2008 to 75%

Source:

1. Tomass Mark, Game Theory with instrumentally irrational players: A Case Study of Civil War and Sectarian Cleansing, Journal of Economic Issues, Lincoln, June 1997.


Bethlehem

Source 1

1948 85% Christian [1]
2006 12% Christian [1]

Source 2

1948 to 60% Christian [2]
1983 to 20% Christian [2]

Source:

1. http://littlegreenfootbal(...)_from_Bethlehem&only
2. http://www.danielpipes.or(...)s-in-the-middle-east
3. http://www.danielpipes.or(...)s-in-the-middle-east


Anatolia (Turkey)

1300 to 99% Christian
1450 to 90% (3 years before the fall of Constantinople)
1600 to 55%
1850 to 35% (Genocide / forceful conversions intensifies)
1900 to 20%
1920 to 15%
1945 to 6% (Focus shift two persecution of Muslim Kurds)
1980 to 3%
2009 to 1%

1. http://home.att.net/ ~ dimostenis / greektr.html
2. See all sources from Historic Balkans and Anatolia demo graphics


Syria [1]

1920 to 33% Christian
2007 to 10% (Would ask for less than 5% if it Were not for the Christian immigration from Iraq).

1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Mandate_of_Syria.png
2. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syria


Pakistan (Hindu / Muslim Population) [1]

1941 to 25% Hindus
1948 to 17%
1991 to 1.5%
2007 to 1%


Bangladesh (Hindu / Muslim Population) [1]

1941 to 30% Hindus
1948 to 25%
1971 to 15%
1991 to 10%
2007 to 8%


2008 - Numbers and Percentage of Muslims in many European cities (legal / illegal Including city suburbs) [1] [2] [3]:

Marseilles 38%
Malmo 35%
Brussels 35%
Amsterdam 30%
Stockholm 20%
London 20%
Paris 20%
Oslo 20%
Moscow 16-20%
Berlin 18%
The Hague 17%
Copenhagen 17%
Utrecht 15%
Rotterdam 15%
Antwerp 15%
Hamburg 15%

Sources:

1. http://www.globalpolitician.com/24799-europe
2. http://tinyfrog.wordpress.com/2009/05/03/muslim-demographics/
3. Indymedia.be Notes That Brussels is 25.5% Muslim


What then is the common denominator in all these historical cases?

Islam + dhimmitude + demographic warfare (Jihad)

2009-11-30 19:29:02
This is only the beginning of a protracted campaign of psychological warfare against the Swiss people. The worst of all, it works very effectively, as we saw in Austria a few years ago. The Swiss people will succumb to demonization, as Østerikerne and Serbs before them.

The fact that kulturmarxistene controls the Euro / U.S. MSM, 95% of NGOs and 80% of the political parties is perhaps the main reason that we must expect to struggle with multiculturalism (kulturmarxisme) and the Islamization of at least 20-70 years.

Until this happens, the Hårstad points out further polarization between kulturmarxistene (elites) and the cultural conservatives (the people). Muslims make today 20-25% of the Oslo and similar areas in other European capitals. 50-60% is the magic enklaviseringsgrensen and there are several cities that gradually approaches this. Marseilles is the worst example in Western Europe at the moment with 38% Muslims. The city will have a Muslim majority within 20 years. It is thus conceivable that the battle for Islam's future in Europe will unfold in just France within 20 years. Perhaps the consequence that France breaks out of the nåværeden U.S. / Euro dominated multiculturalism wonderful world order and seeking a new political alliance with Russia and some other mini-nations (hopefully followed by several European nations).

20 years earlier, my bet (70 years maximum). So change will come, guaranteed, we just have to smear us with a little patience.


2009-11-30 02:32:30
The attack was most likely carried out by Muslims of Ingushetia, Dagestan and Chechnya.

There are now several key Jihadists who are wanted.

No "bomb" in other words ..., p

http://www.dagbladet.no/2(...)r/togulykke/9247105/

I do not understand why cnn mention the extreme right and the National Socialists? I have never ever heard of a right extreme or NS terrorist attacks of importance on European soil. This sounds like kulturmarxistisk wishful thinking.


2009-11-30 02:13:40
Very well written, Hans:)

Euro / US kulturmarxistisk MSM is now working on a comprehensive motkampanje consisting of psychological warfare against the Swiss people (as we saw against Østerikerne a few years ago). They will be latterligjort, mocked, and threatened to change his point of view. They will be portrayed as Nazis, racists and fascists (monsters) and they are going to be intimidated into silence. It is possibly a new referendum in a few months where only 40% ish is going to vote for. This is how game works, unfortunately.

We should not underestimate the MSM and their highly efficient power to shape people's opinions.

2009-11-29 22:39:59
Daniel Pipes: Leftism and Islam. Muslims, the warriors Marxists Have Been praying for.

Bekijk deze YouTube-video

The following summarizes the agenda of many kulturmarxister with Islam, it explains also why those on death and life protecting them. It explains so well why we, the cultural conservatives, are against Islamization and the implementation of these agendas.

Yellow,

I have great respect for kulturmarxister that are tough NOK to admit his true intentions. It is very annoying however, that 90% of all kulturmarxister directly lying to the people by hiding / hide their agenda behind the "humanism and human rights".

Are you tough NOK to admit that this is your agenda, Yellow, or claiming you are still you run of "humanism"? It is the sense to discuss if one side refuses to admit his true intentions.

Most of us cultural conservatives are honest NOK to admit that we are working towards Marxism and Marxist principles (which is the main reason we are against the ongoing Islamization when we look at the Ummah as an entity that promotes the Marxist principles, among others). So why can not you be tough NOK to admit that it really your agenda is to work for the implementation of Marxist principles and that you look at Muslims as a natural ally (for practical reasons and not the humanities).

We know by the way all of what happened to the Christians Marxists in Lebanon. Lebanon was once a Christian country (80% in 1911). When the Muslims were in majority in 1970 (an increase of 40% in just 60 years), they declared war. The reason that they were in that situation was due to the Marxist's appeasement policy (they allowed demographic warfare). Marxists thought that they would get an extra special dhimmi status, which of course did not happen. There are now fewer than 25% Christians in Lebanon and even the Christian Marxists living in a difficult situation. Do you really think you will get a special dhimmistatus few decades in Western Europe when all the historical examples show that Christians Marxists being stabbed in the back end again and again?

It is strange why they never learn from historical examples? Kulturmarxister have much in common with Muslims, but at the end of the day the matter considered by the Ummah as gudshatende and gay-loving infidel, which is incompatible with Islam. The result is that they once again will be betrayed by the Ummah.

It is quite ironic that the Ummah has more respect for their opponents, the cultural conservative, than their allies, kulturmarxistene, they only see as "temporary" useful idiots.

They get to enjoy the alliance as long as it lasts:)

2009-11-29 03:34:23
The document was intended to be "approved" stamp by Lars M and yellow, they immediately become irrelevant. It is reasonably safe;)

Most people here have nothing against Muslims in general, Muslims do not follow the Quran that is. It is the political doctrine of Islam is the problem.

The problem is that key Islamic concepts such as al-taqiyya and naskh (Quranic abrogation) makes it more or less impossible to distinguish "moderate Muslims" (individuals who do not follow the Quran) from orthodox Muslims.


Who do you first introduced the concept of "War is deceit "?;).

Lars M. and Yellow,

What are your reflections on the political concepts of al-taqiyya and naskh?

2009-11-28 18:04:44
The document was intended to be "approved" stamp by Lars M and yellow, they immediately become irrelevant. It is reasonably safe;)

Most people here have nothing against Muslims in general, Muslims do not follow the Quran that is. It is the political doctrine of Islam is the problem.

The problem is that key Islamic concepts such as al-taqiyya and naskh (Quranic abrogation) makes it more or less impossible to distinguish "moderate Muslims" (individuals who do not follow the Quran) from orthodox Muslims.


Who do you first introduced the concept of "War is deceit "?;).

Lars M. and Yellow,

What are your reflections on the political concepts of al-taqiyya and naskh?

2009-11-28 00:00:55
I assumed that the attackers were Muslims immediately south Philippines was mentioned. Everyone knows that the Southern Philippines is one of the world's 40 Jihad Fronts.

It makes little difference whether the victims were Christians or Muslims. Muslims in the continent is known to use very brutal methods.

There are a number of extremely brutal Islamist groupings in southern Philippines - Abu Sayyaf Islamists (Al-Harakat al-Ansar) are one of them. They fund their organizations through kidnappings and avkapping of heads of civilian Christians are part of their methods. Now, of course not kulturmarxistiske Euro / U.S. MSM attempt to find connections between these groups and attacked. Again, we ordinary citizens have to do journalistic work FOR them ...

Again, try European and U.S. MSM to lead his people deceived. I have not yet read a single place in the MSM that the attackers were Muslims.

So what was it that happened? A more conservative Muslim clan that made an example out of a more secular clan for unknown reasons?


Here you can read more about the Abu Sayyaf and other Islamist groupings in Southern Philippines:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Sayyaf

For almost 30 years Various Muslim groups Have Been Engaged in an insurgency for an independent province in the country.


Abu Sayyaf-al Qaeda group

The group Received funding from Al-Qaeda in the early 1990s through Mohammad Jamal Khalifa, a brother-in-law of Osama bin Laden. [17] [18] Al-Qaeda Collaborator Ramzi Yousef operated in the Philippines in the mid-1990s and Trained Abu Sayyaf soldiers. The 2002 edition of the United State Department's Patterns of Global Terrorism mention links to Al Qaeda.

Abdurajik Abubakar Janjalani's first recruit were soldiers of the Moro National Liberation Front (MNLF) and the Moro Islamic Liberation Front (MILF). However, the M.I.L.F. and M.N.L.F. HAVING deny links with Abu Sayyaf. Both officially distance restriction elves from Abu Sayyaf Because of its Attacks on Civilians and its supposed profiteering. The Philippine military, however, ha claimed That element of bothering groups Provide support to the Abu Sayyaf.

2009-11-26 20:47:00
Sanobet,

Mini Nations such as Norway has never recognized an independent, sovereign foreign policy.

They, however, has always followed the big three European heavyweights - France, UK, Germany, to the letter. In other words, Norway has always copied these heavyweights and will always do so.

It is like comparing Belarus and Russia. We will always be Belarus and Russia are our three tigers.

UK is no different from Germany and France have all chosen to multiculturalism. The fact that the UK is wary of the EU is not about multikulti but more that the UK will continue to have a special relationship with the U.S. (which is also 100% multikulti).

The only "Western" nations that refused to implement multikulti were Japan, South Korea, Taiwan and partly Finland.

Japan, South Korea and Taiwan have been protected from the EU / US 's witch hunt because they are not Europeans.

If they had been Europeans had been demonized as the Nazis, fascists and racists.

Why Norway is "more European" than the EU has something to do with "Little Man Syndrome". It can be likened to a "convert to Islam," which often is much more fundamentalist than even conservative Arab Muslims because they themselves feel they have much to prove ("Little Man Syndrome").

2009-11-24 07:33:49
The main problem when cultural conservatives and kulturmarxister debate is that the perception of reality are too different.

Many kulturmarxister look at Israel as a "racist" state.

Cultural conservatives disagree when they believe the conflict is based on Islamic imperialism, that Islam is a political ideology and not a race. Cultural conservatives believe Israel has a right to protect themselves against the Jihad.

Kulturmarxistene refuses to recognize the fact that Islam's political doctrine is relevant and essential. They can never admit to or support this because they believe that this is primarily about a race war - that Israel hates Arabs (breed).

As long as you can not agree on the fundamental perceptions of reality are too naive to expect that one to come to any conclusion.

Before one at all can begin to discuss this conflict must first agree on the fundamental truths of Islam's political doctrine.

Most people here have great insight in key Muslim concepts that al-taqiiya (political deceit), naskh (Quranic abrogation) and Jihad. The problem is that kulturmarxister refuses to recognize these concepts.

They can not recognize these key Muslim concepts. For if they do so erodes the primary argument that Israel is a "racist state" and that this is a race war (Israelis vs. Arabs) and not defense against Jihad (Kafr vs. Ummah).

The fact that there are 40 different Jihad Fronts (wars) throughout the world chooses to ignore. For those do not exist Jihad. For them, this 40 ethnic fronts (40 race wars) that does not have anything to do with Islam.

The Marxist theory is very poorly conceived. F example, the so-called Bosnian Swedes are ethnic Serbs. The only thing that separates the two groups is Islam. The examples are many.

2009-11-22 23:43:08
Do not know quite where to take it up but our own Fjordman is about to be cut to 3 position among the most recognized / influential European intellectuals anti-Jihad/anti-multikulti/anti-Marxist / bloggers.

After Gates of Vienna (No. 1) and New English Review (2). Ovverraskende NOK Fjordman is actually possible to turn himself Brussels Journal!

In other words. Those who have not yet read Fjord Man's book, "Defeating Eurabia" has not been followed by an hour. I know it's hard to be prophet in his own country but this is beyond all expectations. Congratulations Fjordman:)

See the list here: http://infidelbloggerawards.blogspot.com/

2009-11-17 22:04:20
New Muslim riots in Marseilles

Check the youtube video:)


2009-11-06 17:24:40
January Hårstad.

You have of course absolutely right. What I was referring to were individuals Yellow (leader of the Humanist Association), which only attacks Christianity while ignoring the spread of Islam.

It is tragicomic that an important NGO that NHA has been the coup of a cultural Marxist, then it should be led by a liberal anti-Jihadist-type Bruce Bawer.

The next 20 years, we must work hard to regain control of at least five major NGOs. The fact that the Progress Party has been living clean makes this task easier.

It is wonderful to reflect that multiculturalism is a self-destructive ideology. The European cultural conservative movement is small at the moment but we are growing every day. And within 70 years, it's time for regime changes in Europe. At this point, the multi-cultural neo colonial regimes either imploded or become very Stalinist.

Before that, we must focus on the following:

1. Creating a cultural conservative newspaper with national distribution
2. Regaining control of several NGOs
3. Develop and consolidate the cultural conservative intellectual movement
4. Build an "EDL" type of youth

2009-11-05 06:57:21
Lars Gule, "This is simply unacceptable in a modern and democratic state, based on religious freedom and other human rights."

The problem is that many kulturmarxister actually cares very little about religious freedom and human rights. They are kulturmarxister driven by contempt and hatred for the cultural conservatives, for European cultures, etc. Many are hiding behind the false allegations of human rights and religious freedom as it serves as the perfect obfuscation of their true motives.

Where have they been for the past 20 years with regard to criticism of Islam? Why have they been totally absent in this area? They have however, spent much of your time to attack Christian ...

It is very difficult to deal with individuals who deliberately use deception to advance their agenda. Kulturmarxistene has for 40 years hiding behind the humanistic principles as their real agenda was to crush the European tradition, culture, identity and sovereignty of nations. All in the name of human rights ...

You can not have a dialogue if one side deliberately lying, again and again.


2009-11-04 17:07:25
National Socialism has always been an extreme left ideology then why are they trying constantly to strategically place it on the right side?

If you hate capitalism and the free market, such as Marxists, Nazis and Islamists do, attained the left side, period.

2009-11-02 01:05:02
Hate propaganda against Italy and Denmark is incredibly hypocritical. Norway's own violent "Marxist / Islamist Jugend" (Red Youth, SOS Racism, Blitz, in partnership with Jihad youth) that have harmed and terrorized hundreds of cultural conservatives in recent years in Oslo is not mentioned with one word ... It may be fine as long as multiculturalism seat control the violent mob?

It is unacceptable that the Labour Party, Socialist Party, Left, SP, CDP financing these violent extremists.

Funny to see every single European cultural Marxist "foam around the mouth" of hatred against Denmark and Italy. The only Western European countries that have a hint of wise leadership.

It is our duty to make sure to support the only anti-racist cultural conservative organization that has the guts NOK to walk the streets of Oslo - SIOE. FpU is another anti-racist cultural conservative organization. Unfortunately they have not the guts to demonstrate to other than tolls and high gas prices, etc.

However, it is understandable. No one dares because they know they are being harassed and attacked. But people are getting tired of this insecurity. The result is organizations such as the EDL and other forms of vigilante.

2009-10-31 09:43:58
The problem is fairly under-analyzed.

If we are working to "temporary secular" Islam in Europe by supporting individuals Kokkvold, it will be the same as shooting ourselves. The only thing that will be secular, the "visual aspect" of Islam while the destructive aspects - the demographic warfare will continue in silence. This war is accepted as long as the "visual" is a factor.

Moderate multiculturalists who Kokkvold may thus prove to be even more destructive for Europe than the more extreme multiculturalists.


2009-10-31 08:39:09
What most people still do not understand is that the ongoing Islamization (secondary process) of Europe can not be stopped before taking a settlement with the political doctrines that allow this (and the individuals who fronts these doctrines). There must be more focus on multicultural doctrines (multiculturalism = kulturmarxisme) as it is this ideology that allows the political mechanisms that result in continued Islamization (Islamic demographic warfare). People must learn what multiculturalism wonderful doctrines do with Europe:

Systematic breakdown:

- European Christianity
- European tradition
- European Cultures
- European (a national) identity
- Sovereigns


Of course, it is known that kulturmarxistene and humanities in Europe think they are going to reform Islam but they will fail like all before them have done. We, for our part, the cultural conservatives and anti-Marxist liberal, must focus on the basic problem - multiculturalism (kulturmarxisme) and how to combat this hatideologien. Multiculturalism can only be stopped through the continued consolidation of the cultural conservatives and accountability of individuals as fronts ideology. We need to focus more on defending the "Feedback" option, and our doctrines. A further consolidation of the cultural conservatives are the solution. We need to awaken people and help more contribute through political activism (against specific targets).

Four important tasks we have to work with the next twenty years are the following:

1. Have in place a cultural conservative newspaper with national distribution (which will be the only newspaper that will support the Progress Party in 4 years). For believe me, the Progress Party is going to be sabotaged and torpedoed by every choice (a voter base of 35% are "scared" down to 20%).

2. Develop an alternative to the violent extremes Norwegian Marxist organizations Blitz / SOS Racism / Red Youth. This can for example be done by supporting the development of SIOE. Conservatives dare not currently flagging their views on the street when they know that extreme Marxists clubs them down. We can not accept that Labour subsidize these violent "Stoltenberg Art" that systematically terrorize political conservatives.

3. Working to gain control of 10-15 NGOs (kulturmarxistene controls currently 10-15 while we only have 2-3).

4. Initiate a partnership with the conservative forces within the Norwegian Church. I know that the liberal forces within the European anti-Jihad movement (Bruce Bawer, among other things, and some other liberals) will have a problem with this but the conservative forces within the church is actually one of our best allies. Our main opponents must not be Jihadists Jihadists but facilitators - namely multiculturalism seats.

A nightmare scenario as I see it is if multiculturalism seats do a "Ataturk" in Western Europe. The result in this case is a long and painful death for Europe's part, as in Lebanon. Tykriaeksempelet prove that a Muslim population can restrain himself (no requirements) under an authoritarian regime, to demand Sharia 100 years (or longer) in the future as soon as it opens up a possibility. This combined ability for continued Islamic demographic warfare is going to end in disaster.

It should be noted that the majority of the Christians in Lebanon were kulturmarxister who fronted multiculturalism wonderful doctrines from 1911 (there were too few who fronted nationalism and separatism of Muslims). As we all know that ended in tragedy:


Lebanon demographical development - (Christian / Muslim pop) [1]:

1911 to 21% Islam (79% Christian)
1921 to 45%
1932 to 49%
1943 to 48%
1970 to 58% (Civil War 1975-1990 started When Islam reached 60%)
1990 to 65% (Christians lost the war)
2008 to 75%


Worst of all is that there are more such examples that can be documented. Western Europe is a Lebanon in effect ...

So please. Focus on the real evil - multiculturalism and not the result of evil. If there is a water leak then you have to focus on stopping the leak first, do not sweep up the water;).

Source:

1. Tomass Mark, Game Theory with instrumentally irrational players: A Case Study of Civil War and Sectarian Cleansing, Journal of Economic Issues, Lincoln, June 1997.

2009-10-25 18:40:34
Good post by the way, Fjordman.

2009-10-25 15:24:16
Yep. This case should not be underestimated! It helps to prove the following:

Labour wants mass immigration two engineer multi-cultural UK, says Blair and Straw forms adviser.

Labour threw open Britain's borders two mass immigration two full socially engineer a "truly multi-cultural" country, a form Government adviser ha Revealed.

The shapes Labour adviser said the Government opened up the UK borders Mostly two humiliate Right-wing opponents of immigration.

This proves therefore that some of the motivation for mass immigration is not based on humanism (cloak) but more due.

Anders B

Hilde

Anders B

Great that you found sources for the survey:)

This process (Marxist-infiltration in European universities) began in 1945 after the Communists won the war.

Europe's biggest mistake was that they allowed Marxists to operate freely after the war. 45-50 generation of Marxists was learning champions to 68-generation that today manages everything.

Infiltration of Marxists in European universities (1945-1968) described in great detail here:

http://www.freecongress.org/centers/cc/index.aspx

2009-09-08 15:46:51
Xebeche

You argue very good for your eyesight. I have no doubt that you have good intentions. In all cases, we fundamentally disagree when it comes to goals. I wish it was possible to discuss it freely.

"When you said what you want, you must say what you want instead. If not, nothing happens."

The problem is that the assumptions for the discussion is not present in Norway and Western Europe. We, the cultural conservatives, is already being branded as fascists / racists / Nazis of the political and media establishment because we dare to criticize multiculturalism (cultural Marxism) which is totally unacceptable. It is as bad as the persecution of the Jews for 30 years or under the Inquisition. No / very few thus wishes to share the solution-oriented ideas / concepts in an open forum at this stage as this can help to stigmatize people further in the future.

Fjordman,

I have worked full time in more than three years of a solution-oriented work (lecture notes written in English). I have taken a view to contributing in areas that are on the side of what has been the main focus. Much of the info I'm sitting on is unknown to most, even for you.

If you send me an email at year2083@gmail.com I will send an electronic version when I'm finished.

Norway has for me been absolutely no interest until now. The main focus should be on an intellectual platform consolidation of European cultural conservative organizations / individuals. This alliance should have as its main focus is to de-legitimizing multiculturalism (cultural Marxism) of the "European ideology of hate" it actually is. Its purpose (or indirect result) is known to completely destroy western civilization, nation-states, Western culture / norms / traditions, Christianity - European / Norwegian identity.

If this rough work is completed there is the basis for a Marxist superstate (EUSSR) without the necessary cultural conservative / nationalist components that could be stopped from Islam to dominate this new entity.

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Op zaterdag 23 juli 2011 14:17 schreef LB06 het volgende:
Overigens geloof ik best dat hij aanhanger is van de PVV/Geert Wilders, maar het gaat me veel te ver om Geert hiervoor persoonlijk voor verantwoordelijk te houden. Die link gaat wat mij betreft niet verder dan de links die hij heeft met MW2 en WoW (zie z'n FB-profiel).

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Het echte motief is denk ik gericht tegen de sociaal-democraten. Zijn psychopatische persoonlijkheid heeft mogelijk gemaakt dat hij in extremum heeft gedaan wat hij dacht dat nodig was. Ik bedoel in Nederland en andere landen zijn ook genoeg mensen met een hekel aan de PvdA, maar gelukkig niet veel met de persoonlijkheid, de middelen, de kennis en het doorzettingsvermogen om vrij minutieus twee aanslagen te plegen

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Op zaterdag 23 juli 2011 14:38 schreef LB06 het volgende:
Ik ben het met je eens dat het waarschijnlijk een psychopaat is met een diepgewortelde haat tegen 'links'. Echter ben ik er nog niet zeker van dat zijn religie geen rol heeft gespeeld. Zeker omdat hij volgens een ooggetuige liep te bidden. Dat zijn acties niet breed worden gedragen in die hoek wil niet zeggen dat hij daardoor toch is geïnspireerd.

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Op zaterdag 23 juli 2011 15:05 schreef slashdotter3 het volgende:
Hij was dus extreem rechts en anti-islam, nu snap ik niet waarom hij dan Noorse kinderen overhoop knalt ipv in Malmo of Oslo moslims.

Maar wat ik begrepen heb is dat er een politieke jongeren bijeenkomst daar was. Was het soms een linkse partij en wilde hij de toekomstige linkse regering (die moslims de hand boven het hoofd houdt) uitschakelen oid?

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Op zaterdag 23 juli 2011 15:12 schreef slashdotter3 het volgende:
Waar hij die bomaanslag pleegde, was dat een links bolwerk?

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Op zaterdag 23 juli 2011 15:14 schreef Klaudias het volgende:

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Dat was een regeringsgebouw.

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Op zaterdag 23 juli 2011 15:14 schreef Klaudias het volgende:
Dat was een regeringsgebouw.

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Op zaterdag 23 juli 2011 15:16 schreef MouzurX het volgende:
Hij is anti-islam, maar hij vind het de schuld van links.

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Op zaterdag 23 juli 2011 15:19 schreef MouzurX het volgende:
Hoe ik het nu zie is dat hij de bom niet gigantisch goed heeft geplanned, de bom fungeerde alleen als afleiding.

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Op zaterdag 23 juli 2011 15:19 schreef Eyjafjallajoekull het volgende:

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Hij zou kritiek op de Islam hebben gehad. Maar dat heeft de helft van de Nederlanders ook. Wat mij betreft zegt dat dus niet zo heel veel.

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Op zaterdag 23 juli 2011 15:20 schreef Eyjafjallajoekull het volgende:

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Dat is nog steeds speculatie. Misschien wilde hij met die bom ook gewoon veel slachtoffers maken. Goed, het kan als afleiding gediend hebben, maar niet als pure afleiding. Ik denk wel dat hij met die bom ook veel slachtoffers wou maken. Het was zeg maar deel 1 van zijn operatie, en niet een afleidingsmanouvre vooraf.

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Op zaterdag 23 juli 2011 14:32 schreef LXIV het volgende:

Zijn haat was vooral tegen sociaal democraten gericht (vgl in NL de PVDA). Als hij bijv. sterk tegen de Islam was geweest, dan had hij als doelwit toch wel een moskee oid genomen?

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What most people still do not understand is that the ongoing Islamization (secondary process) of Europe can not be stopped before taking a settlement with the political doctrines that allow this (and the individuals who fronts these doctrines). There must be more focus on multicultural doctrines (multiculturalism = kulturmarxisme) as it is this ideology that allows the political mechanisms that result in continued Islamization (Islamic demographic warfare).

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Focus on the real evil - multiculturalism and not the result of evil. If there is a water leak then you have to focus on stopping the leak first, do not sweep up the water;).

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Op zaterdag 23 juli 2011 15:21 schreef MouzurX het volgende:

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Ik denk het niet, want dit was een slechte locatie voor veel slachtoffers.
Alhoewel dat kamp duurt maar een paar dagen, dus dan had hij misschien niet veel andere opties.

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Op zaterdag 23 juli 2011 15:35 schreef Eyjafjallajoekull het volgende:

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Opzich is het wel een logische plek. Niet kwa slachtoffers maar het zijn wel allemaal regeringsgebouwen. Onder andere van de partij die hij zo haat.

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Op zaterdag 23 juli 2011 15:22 schreef Iblardi het volgende:

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Dat beschouwt hij als dweilen met de kraan open. Hij (of de kring waarin hij zich begeeft) ziet links kennelijk als de drijvende kracht achter de 'islamisering' van Europa. Uit het citaat hierboven:

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Op zaterdag 23 juli 2011 14:32 schreef LXIV het volgende:
Op de eerste plaats is het gewoon een psychopaat. Dat hij daarnaast nog politieke/religieuze ideeën heeft staat daar los van. Er zijn miljoenen Christelijk-fundamentalisten die dat niet doen.
Als je naar een daderprofiel kijkt, denk ik eerder dat deze man:
- Weinig sociale contacten had
- Geen vaste relatie of gezin had
- Weinig vrienden had
- Geen vaste baan, sociale werkkring met collega's had.

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Op zaterdag 23 juli 2011 14:32 schreef LXIV het volgende:
Op de eerste plaats is het gewoon een psychopaat. Dat hij daarnaast nog politieke/religieuze ideeën heeft staat daar los van. Er zijn miljoenen Christelijk-fundamentalisten die dat niet doen.
Als je naar een daderprofiel kijkt, denk ik eerder dat deze man:
- Weinig sociale contacten had
- Geen vaste relatie of gezin had
- Weinig vrienden had
- Geen vaste baan, sociale werkkring met collega's had.

Dat zijn de kenmerken van al dit soort nutcases. Dat hij op een internetforum een keer melding maakt van de PVV is niet zo relevant. Op Facebook omschrijft hij zichzelf als 'conservatief-Christelijk, anti-racistisch en een bewonderaar van Churchill'. Dit soort acties worden binnen de conservatief-Christelijke kringen natuurlijk totaal niet gedragen.

Zijn haat was vooral tegen sociaal democraten gericht (vgl in NL de PVDA). Als hij bijv. sterk tegen de Islam was geweest, dan had hij als doelwit toch wel een moskee oid genomen?

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Op zaterdag 23 juli 2011 17:07 schreef LB06 het volgende:
Boris van der Ham (D66) verwoordt de 'gekte' rondom de parallellen met Wilders en dergelijke andere figuren heel mooi vind ik:

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Op zaterdag 23 juli 2011 14:41 schreef LB06 het volgende:
Tsja, moslims zullen hetzelfde zeggen als er iemand een gebouw invliegt. En daar hebben ze ook gelijk in, maar feit blijft dat in dat geval he motief nog steeds religieus was.

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Op zaterdag 23 juli 2011 17:07 schreef LB06 het volgende:
Boris van der Ham (D66) verwoordt de 'gekte' rondom de parallellen met Wilders en dergelijke andere figuren heel mooi vind ik:

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Op zaterdag 23 juli 2011 17:49 schreef LB06 het volgende:

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Zie de regel daarna:

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Hij heeft het dus over de berichten dat uit sommige linkse hoeken (ik neem aan dat hij ook refereent aan o.a. de demagogiek van Joop.nl) enorm smalend wordt gereageerd nu blijkt dat niet de islam, maar mogelijkerwijs de PVV gedeeltelijk diende als inspiratiebron. Daar is Boris v/d Ham het niet mee eens.

Zelf zie ik de ironie hier ook wel van in, maar net als Boris vind ik het veel te makkelijk om deze aanslagen te linken aan Wilders. Er wordt van D66 wel eens gezegd dat het enige wat ze kunnen het schoppen tegen de PVV is, maar het blijkt maar weer eens dat dat uit de lucht gegrepen is.

In plaats van net als Joop heel makkelijk tegen Wilders te gaan lopen ageren en je eigen agenda zo te dienen, kiest Boris ervoor om dat niet te doen en Wilders als het ware te verdedigen.

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Op zaterdag 23 juli 2011 14:17 schreef LB06 het volgende:
Overigens geloof ik best dat hij aanhanger is van de PVV/Geert Wilders, maar het gaat me veel te ver om Geert hiervoor persoonlijk voor verantwoordelijk te houden. Die link gaat wat mij betreft niet verder dan de links die hij heeft met MW2 en WoW (zie z'n FB-profiel).

Het echte motief is denk ik gericht tegen de sociaal-democraten. Zijn psychopatische persoonlijkheid heeft mogelijk gemaakt dat hij in extremum heeft gedaan wat hij dacht dat nodig was. Ik bedoel in Nederland en andere landen zijn ook genoeg mensen met een hekel aan de PvdA, maar gelukkig niet veel met de persoonlijkheid, de middelen, de kennis en het doorzettingsvermogen om vrij minutieus twee aanslagen te plegen

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Op zaterdag 23 juli 2011 17:58 schreef Stezo het volgende:
1. De bomaanslag was gericht op het ministerie van Olie. Die beheren het Norway Oil Fund en sinds vorig jaar boycotten die Israelische firma's die zaken doen in de bezette gebieden.

2. Dat Labour Youth kamp had als hoofdthema dit jaar: International Solidarity. Een thema wat vooral toegespitst is op de Palestijnse zaak.

3. De dader was een Wilders fanboy.

Ik kan niet anders concluderen dan dat dit een Zionistische terreuraanslag is geweest.

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Op zaterdag 23 juli 2011 17:45 schreef Gia het volgende:

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Er waren groepen moslims, wereldwijd, blij met de aanslagen van 911.
Nog meer moslims veroordeelden het wel, maar hadden er wel begrip voor.
Ik geloof niet dat er maar één Christen feest viert vanwege deze moordpartij, of er begrip voor heeft.

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Op zaterdag 23 juli 2011 18:08 schreef Mutant01 het volgende:

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Of het Christenen zijn weet ik niet, maar op verscheidene fora (nationalistisch, extreem-rechtse fora) zijn er wel degelijk westerlingen die er volledige begrip voor tonen.

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Op zaterdag 23 juli 2011 18:08 schreef Mutant01 het volgende:

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Of het Christenen zijn weet ik niet, maar op verscheidene fora (nationalistisch, extreem-rechtse fora) zijn er wel degelijk westerlingen die er volledige begrip voor tonen.

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Op zaterdag 23 juli 2011 18:21 schreef Eyjafjallajoekull het volgende:

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Reactie op een onofficieel PVV forum.

Te ziek voor woorden als je het mij vraagt. Eigenlijk zouden ze dit soort lui moeten oppakken.

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Op zaterdag 23 juli 2011 18:25 schreef Ryan3 het volgende:

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Ja, die mag een bezoekje verwachten mag ik hopen van de AIVD...

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Op zaterdag 23 juli 2011 18:32 schreef Gulo het volgende:

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Waarom? Hij doet toch geen strafbare uitlatingen, of vergis ik me daar in?

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Op zaterdag 23 juli 2011 18:34 schreef Ryan3 het volgende:

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Hij zit op het randje hè, of vind jij van niet?

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Op zaterdag 23 juli 2011 17:59 schreef Ryan3 het volgende:

Waarmee niet gezegd is dat de aanhang van de PVV er volledig mee samenvalt. Kan ook niet want er lopen nu eenmaal gelukkig zoveel idioten rond, maar ze worden juist door partijen als de PVV aangetrokken, denk ik. En die gevolgtrekking is niet een vorm van triomfalisme...

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Op zaterdag 23 juli 2011 18:36 schreef Gulo het volgende:

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Ik ben geen jurist.

Kijk, je kan het wel een verwerpelijke uitspraak vinden, maar dat maakt het nog niet strafbaar.

Hij roept niet op tot geweld of zo.

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Op zaterdag 23 juli 2011 18:21 schreef Eyjafjallajoekull het volgende:

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Reactie op een onofficieel PVV forum.

Te ziek voor woorden als je het mij vraagt. Eigenlijk zouden ze dit soort lui moeten oppakken.

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Op zaterdag 23 juli 2011 18:36 schreef Gulo het volgende:

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Ik ben geen jurist.

Kijk, je kan het wel een verwerpelijke uitspraak vinden, maar dat maakt het nog niet strafbaar.

Hij roept niet op tot geweld of zo.

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Op zaterdag 23 juli 2011 18:38 schreef Staal het volgende:

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Heb jij een linkje naar die bewuste forumpost?

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Op zaterdag 23 juli 2011 18:38 schreef Monidique het volgende:

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Henk en Ingrid zullen dit ook verschrikkelijk vinden, maar inderdaad, extremistische bewegingen als de PVV trekken ook dit soort terroristen aan en eerlijk gezegd, de retoriek over dat we in oorlog zijn met de Islam en dat sociaal-democratie een vijfde colonne is, of weet ik veel wat de huidige opvattingen zijn, hitsen dergelijke lui ontzettend op.

Als blijkt dat hij het specifiek gemunt had op de linkse politiek of iets in die richting, dan kun je heel terecht stellen, denk ik, dat Anders Breivik de trekker overhaalde, maar rechts-extremistische "vrijheids"-bewegingen hebben hem ingefluisterd wie de vijand is.

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Op zaterdag 23 juli 2011 18:42 schreef Eyjafjallajoekull het volgende:

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http://www.forum-voor-de-(...)=146539&postcount=17

...verwijderd.

Dit plaatje kwam weer uit een andere discussie voort op het forum van skyscrapercity.com. Ik heb de screen zelf niet gemaakt.

Ik heb zo'n idee dat de poster zelf ook al nattigheid begon te voelen. Hopelijk was het een trol die erachter kwam dat hij te ver is gegaan.

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Beste mensen, laten we nu niet gaan ruziën. Ik ga trouwens geen kaarsjes aansteken voor die ellendige jeugdige Sociaal Democraatjes die het slachtoffer zijn geworden van deze misdaad. Die ellendelingen zouden de nieuwe generatie leiders worden die de multi-culturele hel in Europa verergeren. Dat betekent heel wat meer dan 90 slachtoffers aan onze kant, door verkrachting, moord en beroving.

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Op zaterdag 23 juli 2011 18:46 schreef Eyjafjallajoekull het volgende:
Je kan nog wel het topic doorlezen, en ik zie nu dat het daar ook nog vol staat met andere posts van hem. Gelukkig vinden de users daar het ook te ver gaan.

http://www.forum-voor-de-vrijheid.nl/showthread.php?p=146539

Edit: zijn andere reacties zijn ook niet veel beter helaas... veel vreemd gebrabbel ook over Europese burgeroorlogen enzo...

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Op zaterdag 23 juli 2011 18:46 schreef Eyjafjallajoekull het volgende:
Je kan nog wel het topic doorlezen, en ik zie nu dat het daar ook nog vol staat met andere posts van hem. Gelukkig vinden de users daar het ook te ver gaan.

http://www.forum-voor-de-vrijheid.nl/showthread.php?p=146539

Edit: zijn andere reacties zijn ook niet veel beter helaas... veel vreemd gebrabbel ook over Europese burgeroorlogen enzo...


Edit 2: Na het lezen van deze reactie van heel iemand anders denk ik maar dat ik die pagina sluit en daar nooit meer op terug kom. Wat een kansloze reacties zeg.

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Op zaterdag 23 juli 2011 18:46 schreef Eyjafjallajoekull het volgende:
Je kan nog wel het topic doorlezen, en ik zie nu dat het daar ook nog vol staat met andere posts van hem. Gelukkig vinden de users daar het ook te ver gaan.

http://www.forum-voor-de-vrijheid.nl/showthread.php?p=146539

Edit: zijn andere reacties zijn ook niet veel beter helaas... veel vreemd gebrabbel ook over Europese burgeroorlogen enzo...


Edit 2: Na het lezen van deze reactie van heel iemand anders denk ik maar dat ik die pagina sluit en daar nooit meer op terug kom. Wat een kansloze reacties zeg.

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Op zaterdag 23 juli 2011 18:57 schreef Stezo het volgende:
Het zal me niks verbazen als Wilders hem kent. Ze blijken in ieder geval gemeenschappelijke vrienden te hebben (o.a. Pamela Geller & Baron Bodissey).

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Op zaterdag 23 juli 2011 18:57 schreef Stezo het volgende:
Het zal me niks verbazen als Wilders hem kent. Ze blijken in ieder geval gemeenschappelijke vrienden te hebben (o.a. Pamela Geller & Baron Bodissey).

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Op zaterdag 23 juli 2011 18:56 schreef Eyjafjallajoekull het volgende:
Deze mensen zijn niet minder extreem en ongenuanceerder in hun opvattingen dan datgene wat ze denken te bestrijden. En dat zijn juist de gevaarlijkste mensen. 'Het doel heiligt de middelen' is in hun ogen zelfs nog terecht als dat middel erger is dan het doel.

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Op zaterdag 23 juli 2011 19:00 schreef sigme het volgende:

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Tsjonge poeh nou. Nationalisten hebben vaak een nogal internationaal netwerk, dus er zullen vast gemeenschappelijke kennissen zitten tussen PVV-nationalisten en aan die Noor gekoppelde nationalistische bewegingen.

Ik kom meer van de andere kant, en ik heb dan ook gemeenschappelijke kennissen met Volkert vd G. Of ouderwetse Rara-leden. De wereld is klein.

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Op zaterdag 23 juli 2011 16:14 schreef sigme het volgende:

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Ben wel benieuwd hoe de kring waarin hij zich begeeft gaat denken over zijn acties. Natuurlijk zal er niemand de moord op 84 pubers goedkeuren, maar toch..

Die verzamelde posts van hem zijn ook fascinerend om te lezen. Klinkt toch niet als een doorgedraaide idioot.

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Op zaterdag 23 juli 2011 19:15 schreef OllieA het volgende:

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Ik vind dat ie klinkt als een doorgedraaide POL-libertarier.
Dat je dat niet idioot vindt klinken betekent misschien dat je teveel tijd op Fok doorbrengt.

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Op zaterdag 23 juli 2011 18:59 schreef Gulo het volgende:

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Die Pamela Geller is een zeer radicale zionist. In hoeverre was de dader daarmee bevriend? Waar maak je dat uit op?

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Op zaterdag 23 juli 2011 19:15 schreef OllieA het volgende:

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Ik vind dat ie klinkt als een doorgedraaide POL-libertarier.
Dat je dat niet idioot vindt klinken betekent misschien dat je teveel tijd op Fok doorbrengt.

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Op zaterdag 23 juli 2011 19:18 schreef Stezo het volgende:

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Dat maakte ik hieruit op: http://atlasshrugs2000.ty(...)7/heads-explode.html
Naja vrienden, ze hebben in ieder geval een professionele relatie. Zij ontkent trouwens dat de dader Fjordman is, maar gek genoeg kan ze dat niet bewijzen.

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Op zaterdag 23 juli 2011 19:15 schreef OllieA het volgende:

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Ik vind dat ie klinkt als een doorgedraaide POL-libertarier.
Dat je dat niet idioot vindt klinken betekent misschien dat je teveel tijd op Fok doorbrengt.

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Op zaterdag 23 juli 2011 19:22 schreef Monidique het volgende:
Kunnen jullie je obsessie met sigme even laten varen?

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Op zaterdag 23 juli 2011 19:24 schreef Ryan3 het volgende:

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Het is wel waar wat Staal zegt...
Daarnaast is ze een gemankeerde libertariër idd, ze zal een vraag over stel dat je een genocide mag plegen ook wel heeeeeeel interessant hebben gevonden... . Of niet?
Maar goed er lopen veel idioten rond idd op internet.

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Op zaterdag 23 juli 2011 19:23 schreef sigme het volgende:

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Hij klinkt zéker als een politiek extremist. Maar ik zou het op basis van die teksten niet inschatten als iemand die een kleine 100 pubers gaat doodschieten. Politiek extremisten ben ik wel gewend ja, mede op fok. Ik zou die posts van Anders ook best op fok kunnen zien; ik vind het nou niet echt posts die zo extreem zijn dat ze hier geweerd zouden worden en alleen op obscure sites als vrije volk of zo'n andere extreemrechts forum geplaatst kunnen worden.

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Op zaterdag 23 juli 2011 19:26 schreef Gulo het volgende:

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Niet alleen op internet.

Needless to say, maar toch.

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Op zaterdag 23 juli 2011 19:26 schreef Ryan3 het volgende:

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Nee, idd, het barst hier van dezelfde soort posts, en die posts zijn btw juist niet heeeeeel interessant, of vind je van wel?

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Op zaterdag 23 juli 2011 19:28 schreef Ryan3 het volgende:

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IRL kom ik dit soort mensen nooit tegen. Jij wel?
Dat is juist het leuke van internet, dat gaat allemaal anoniem (min of meer althans).

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Op zaterdag 23 juli 2011 19:29 schreef sigme het volgende:

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Hier kan ik geen chocola van maken.

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Op zaterdag 23 juli 2011 19:41 schreef Ryan3 het volgende:

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Laat ik dat dan maken voor je. Je was juist van die users gecharmeerd die dit soort postjes maakten hier op FOK!. Het is dus wmb niet verbazingwekkend dat jij de reacties van die dader op internet interessant vindt. Maar je legt de link niet dat zijn gedachtegoed tot zijn daden leidden. Je wast je handen in onschuld. Je ziet niet dat de waanzin is. Voor jou zijn het wrs deugden, ergens in je brein, toch?

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Op zaterdag 23 juli 2011 19:46 schreef sigme het volgende:

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Ik voel inderdaad heel weinig schuld aan de Noorse doden. Wou je ze me in de schoenen schuiven ?

Voor de rest lijkt het me allemaal weinig relevant als analyse voor de Noorse aanslagen, dus ik pas voor de rest.

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Op zaterdag 23 juli 2011 19:53 schreef LB06 het volgende:

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Sociopaat, psychopaat, er is geen eenduidige definitie (http://blogs.psychcentral(...)athy-vs-psychopathy/). Maar in principe ben ik het met je eens.

Verder over het standpunt van Sigme: het ligt er maar een beetje aan hoe ze het bedoelt. Als Sigme met 'klinkt niet als een doorgedraaide idioot' bedoelt dat hij niet overkomt als iemand die niet weet wat hij doet en geen verantwoordelijkheid kan nemen voor zijn daden, dan ben ik het met je eens.

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Op zaterdag 23 juli 2011 19:55 schreef BrandX het volgende:
@ Ryan3 en Sigme, hier gaat het topic niet over. Ieder heeft zo zijn motieven en gevoelens bij dit drama, laten we het in dit topic bij de analyse van het drama houden, en niet verzanden in (persoonlijke) discussies .

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Op zaterdag 23 juli 2011 19:56 schreef Ryan3 het volgende:

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Is geen persoonlijk discussie.
Ze staat wel achter dat soort gedachtegoed. Ze vindt dat niet doorgedraaid.

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Op zaterdag 23 juli 2011 19:15 schreef OllieA het volgende:

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Ik vind dat ie klinkt als een doorgedraaide POL-libertarier.
Dat je dat niet idioot vindt klinken betekent misschien dat je teveel tijd op Fok doorbrengt.

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50 jaar durende inspanningen van de etnocentrische organisaties / bewegingen (van 1960-2009) zijn compleet mislukt. We weten dit en verdere focus, nadruk op deze strategie zal alleen maar contraproductief zijn en potentieel gevaarlijk voor de huidige Noorse en Europese cultureel conservatieve beweging. Etnocentrische bewegingen zoals BNP (British National Party, red. Joop), National Front zijn niet succesvol en zullen nooit meer dan 10% steun krijgen. Je kunt niet racisme (multikulti) bestrijden met racisme.

Etnocentrisme is daarom compleet het tegenovergestelde van wat we willen bereiken. Wij hebben de Vienna School of Thought als ideologische basis gekozen. Dit betekent oppositie tegen multiculturalisme en islamisering (op culturele gronden)

Alle ideologische argumenten zijn gebaseerd op anti-racisme. Dit heeft bewezen succesvol te zijn en verklaart waarom de moderne conservatie beweging / partijen die de Vienna School of Thought toepassen zo succesvol zijn: De Vooruitgangspartij (Noorse populistische partij, red. Joop), Geert Wilders, Document.no en vele anderen.

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Op zaterdag 23 juli 2011 20:01 schreef LXIV het volgende:

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Wat is dit nu voor uitval op de vrouw! Je kunt toch best van mening zijn dat iemands uitlatingen op zich rationeel klinken, dat staat toch los van wat voor acties hij later doet! Zoveel heb ik er nog niet van gelezen, alleen een stukje op Joop:

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Ik vind dit ook niet irrationeel of als een tekst van een waanzinnige klinken. Dagelijks lees ik meer opmerkingen die ik eerder aan een Spree-killer zou toekennen. Ik vind hem er ook niet als een idioot uitzien. Waar alleen maar uit blijkt dat je niet aan iemands buitenkant en/of zijn postjes kunt opmaken.

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Op zaterdag 23 juli 2011 20:09 schreef Mutant01 het volgende:
Interessant dat dit nog niet opgepikt is door de media:

http://islamversuseurope.(...)-was-in-contact.html

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Op zaterdag 23 juli 2011 20:13 schreef Mutant01 het volgende:
Is de EDL de Europese versie van de JDL?

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Op zaterdag 23 juli 2011 20:13 schreef Mutant01 het volgende:
Is de EDL de Europese versie van de JDL?

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Op zaterdag 23 juli 2011 20:14 schreef Ryan3 het volgende:

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European Defense Ligue toch? Soort hooligans die stonden te proetsteren tegen het niet toelaten van Geertje in de UK destijds toch?

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Op zaterdag 23 juli 2011 20:17 schreef Gulo het volgende:

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English geloof ik.

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Op zaterdag 23 juli 2011 20:09 schreef Mutant01 het volgende:
Interessant dat dit nog niet opgepikt is door de media:

http://islamversuseurope.(...)-was-in-contact.html

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Op zaterdag 23 juli 2011 20:18 schreef Ryan3 het volgende:

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Ja, English idd, maar wel hooligans iig.

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Op zaterdag 23 juli 2011 20:20 schreef Gulo het volgende:

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Ja, het is gewoon dom volk, zonder ideologische basis.

Ze zijn gewoon geïnstrumentaliseerd door radicale zionisten als de eerder genoemde Geller.

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Op zaterdag 23 juli 2011 19:29 schreef sigme het volgende:
Hij profileert zich vooral als anti-marxist/ anti-islam en pro-westers / pro-nationalistisch, maar van die pro-punten van hem zie ik niet veel argumentatie. Maar ik kan eroverheen gelezen hebben; de tweede set posts was me wat warrig.

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Op zaterdag 23 juli 2011 20:18 schreef Stupendous76 het volgende:

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Is dat deze club? (English Defence League)

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Op zaterdag 23 juli 2011 20:04 schreef Ryan3 het volgende:

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Het gaat niet over Joop.nl, dude.
Het is ook niet zo maar een spree killer. Was maar waar hè.
Het gaat erom dat dit soort idioten zich aangetrokken voelen door gedachtegoed dat volgens mij jij ook heel aantrekkelijk vindt.

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Op zaterdag 23 juli 2011 20:28 schreef NorthernStar het volgende:
Ik begrijp niet waarom PVV'ers en soortgelijke in heel Europa zich nu van Anders distantieren.

Hij heeft de daad bij het woord gevoegd en de "linkse kerk" bij de fundamenten aangepakt. De linkse kerk die verantwoordelijk is voor de massa immigratie, de islamisering en de multikul.

Waarom is hij geen held? Of is het naar buiten toe afkeuren en in het geniep stiekem toejuigen?

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Op zaterdag 23 juli 2011 14:32 schreef LXIV het volgende:
Op de eerste plaats is het gewoon een psychopaat. Dat hij daarnaast nog politieke/religieuze ideeën heeft staat daar los van. Er zijn miljoenen Christelijk-fundamentalisten die dat niet doen.
Als je naar een daderprofiel kijkt, denk ik eerder dat deze man:
- Weinig sociale contacten had
- Geen vaste relatie of gezin had
- Weinig vrienden had
- Geen vaste baan, sociale werkkring met collega's had.

Dat zijn de kenmerken van al dit soort nutcases. Dat hij op een internetforum een keer melding maakt van de PVV is niet zo relevant. Op Facebook omschrijft hij zichzelf als 'conservatief-Christelijk, anti-racistisch en een bewonderaar van Churchill'. Dit soort acties worden binnen de conservatief-Christelijke kringen natuurlijk totaal niet gedragen.

Zijn haat was vooral tegen sociaal democraten gericht (vgl in NL de PVDA). Als hij bijv. sterk tegen de Islam was geweest, dan had hij als doelwit toch wel een moskee oid genomen?

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Op zaterdag 23 juli 2011 20:29 schreef Claudia_x het volgende:

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Goeie posting, ik denk dat je gelijk hebt. Het is denk ik iemand die weinig voeling heeft met alledaagse beslommeringen en die volledig in beslag is genomen door De Goede Zaak. Wat die goede zaak inhoudt doet er niet zo toe. Nu ja, het doet ertoe in zoverre die goede zaak afwijkt van de ideëen en handelingen van het establishment. Er is een diepgeworteld onbegrip voor nodig om je zo van 'de anderen' te keren.

Maar goed, dan heb je het over de noodzakelijke voorwaarden. Ik vind het nog steeds onbegrijpelijk wat hem tot zo'n berekenbare, koelbloedige moordenaar heeft gemaakt.

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Op zaterdag 23 juli 2011 20:29 schreef Claudia_x het volgende:

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Goeie posting, ik denk dat je gelijk hebt. Het is denk ik iemand die weinig voeling heeft met alledaagse beslommeringen en die volledig in beslag is genomen door De Goede Zaak. Wat die goede zaak inhoudt doet er niet zo toe. Nu ja, het doet ertoe in zoverre die goede zaak afwijkt van de ideëen en handelingen van het establishment. Er is een diepgeworteld onbegrip voor nodig om je zo van 'de anderen' te keren.

Maar goed, dan heb je het over de noodzakelijke voorwaarden. Ik vind het nog steeds onbegrijpelijk wat hem tot zo'n berekenbare, koelbloedige moordenaar heeft gemaakt.

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Op zaterdag 23 juli 2011 20:28 schreef NorthernStar het volgende:
Ik begrijp niet waarom PVV'ers en soortgelijke in heel Europa zich nu van Anders distantieren.

Hij heeft de daad bij het woord gevoegd en de "linkse kerk" bij de fundamenten aangepakt. De linkse kerk die immers verantwoordelijk is voor de massa immigratie, de islamisering en de multikul ed.

Waarom is hij geen held? Of is het naar buiten toe afkeuren en in het geniep stiekem toejuigen?

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Op zaterdag 23 juli 2011 20:29 schreef LXIV het volgende:

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Het is geen held omdat het een idioot is die op kinderen schiet. Is dat nu zo moeilijk?

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Op zaterdag 23 juli 2011 20:32 schreef Mutant01 het volgende:

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Ik vind het eerlijk gezegd helemaal geen goede posting, aangezien er helemaal niets bekend is over zijn sociale situatie. Hij had een woning in de stad en nog een boerderij daarbuiten. Hij was op het internet zeer politiek actief en er is niets wat wijst op een soort van sociaal geisoleerd persoon.

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Op zaterdag 23 juli 2011 20:25 schreef LXIV het volgende:

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Ik ben ook conservatief, economisch liberaal met een Christelijke moraal. Dat klopt. Het is echter idioot om dat gedachtengoed zelf in verband te brengen met die aanslagen. Vanuit alle drie de stromingen is er geen enkele oproep richting geweld.
Verder moet ik van het PVV-gedachtengoed niks hebben, zoals je weet. Links en anti-islam.

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Op zaterdag 23 juli 2011 20:33 schreef NorthernStar het volgende:

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Ja maar het was socialistische jeugd. De toekomstige multikul politici en dhimmis.

De afgelopen jaren heb ik contant woorden als landverraders, doodschieten en opknopen gelezen. Burgeroorlog zelfs. Nou voegt een uit hun eigen gelederen de daad bij het woord en nu keurt men het ineens af? Niet erg consistent.

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Op zaterdag 23 juli 2011 20:29 schreef Claudia_x het volgende:

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Goeie posting, ik denk dat je gelijk hebt. Het is denk ik iemand die weinig voeling heeft met alledaagse beslommeringen en die volledig in beslag is genomen door De Goede Zaak. Wat die goede zaak inhoudt doet er niet zo toe. Nu ja, het doet ertoe in zoverre die goede zaak afwijkt van de ideëen en handelingen van het establishment. Er is een diepgeworteld onbegrip voor nodig om je zo van 'de anderen' te keren.

Maar goed, dan heb je het over de noodzakelijke voorwaarden. Ik vind het nog steeds onbegrijpelijk wat hem tot zo'n berekenbare, koelbloedige moordenaar heeft gemaakt.

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Op zaterdag 23 juli 2011 20:29 schreef LXIV het volgende:

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Het is geen held omdat het een idioot is die op kinderen schiet. Is dat nu zo moeilijk?

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Op zaterdag 23 juli 2011 20:35 schreef Ryan3 het volgende:

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Blijkbaar is er dus wel een link. Of niet?
Ben jij misschien degene die het niet goed begrijpt en die dude in Noorwegen wel?
Hoe vaak wordt er hier op FOK! door mensen met hetzelfde gedachtegoed ook niet gezinspeeld op geweld, burgeroorlog, genocide op...? Ga me niet vertellen dat je dat nooit gelezen hebt hier.
De vijand is Islam, maar de vijand binnenin, en veel venijniger, alles wat links is? Volgens mij hebben we dat heel vaak kunnen lezen hier. En die gozer daar in Noorwegen... die dacht daar precies eender over.

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Op zaterdag 23 juli 2011 20:29 schreef LXIV het volgende:

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Het is geen held omdat het een idioot is die op kinderen schiet. Is dat nu zo moeilijk?

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Op zaterdag 23 juli 2011 20:32 schreef Mutant01 het volgende:

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Ik vind het eerlijk gezegd helemaal geen goede posting, aangezien er helemaal niets bekend is over zijn sociale situatie. Hij had een woning in de stad en nog een boerderij daarbuiten. Hij was op het internet zeer politiek actief en er is niets wat wijst op een soort van sociaal geisoleerd persoon. Verder is zijn ideologie voor zover bekend aardig een kopie van waar de PVV voor staat en dat is wellicht wel interessant voor de mogelijke motieven.

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Op zaterdag 23 juli 2011 20:35 schreef LXIV het volgende:

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Jij bent toch moslim? Als moslims morgen in Baghdad een moskee opblazen, zijn dat voor jou dan helden of idioten? En distantieer jij je ervan of geef je ze steun? Is toch precies hetzelfde!

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Op zaterdag 23 juli 2011 20:36 schreef Mutant01 het volgende:

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Het socialisme was in zijn ogen het kwaad, dat blijkt ook uit zijn postings. Hij ziet hen als cultuurrelativisten die verantwoordelijk zijn voor o.a. de zogenaamde islamisering van zijn land. Dat lijkt mij de meest logische reden om nu juist deze targets te kiezen (het partijkantoor van de socialistische partij en de toekomstige socialisten zelf).

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Op zaterdag 23 juli 2011 20:37 schreef LXIV het volgende:

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Deze nutcase had dit gedachtengoed. Er zijn precies zulke nutcases met socialistisch (RAF), veganistisch (Volkert), islamitisch (Moordenaar van Gogh), racistish (Oklahoma) gedachtengoed. De gemene deler is einzelgänger en extremist. Niet wat anders.

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Op zaterdag 23 juli 2011 20:37 schreef LXIV het volgende:

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Deze nutcase had dit gedachtengoed. Er zijn precies zulke nutcases met socialistisch (RAF), veganistisch (Volkert), islamitisch (Moordenaar van Gogh), racistish (Oklahoma) gedachtengoed. De gemene deler is einzelgänger en extremist. Niet wat anders.

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Op zaterdag 23 juli 2011 17:59 schreef Ryan3 het volgende:

Feit is wel - en ik loop al heel wat jaren mee op FOK! - dat je het soort idiote ideeën en/of motieven dat mogelijk ten grondslag ligt aan de daden van deze man idd regelmatig op internet en ook op FOK! tegenkomt en dat die uit de koker komen van die rechtse figuren. Onlangs was er in POL nog een topic waarin de lezer werd uitgenodigd een genocide te plegen en wie zou je dan liezen; één usual wilde alle linkse stemmers afknallen... Dat kun je dus gewoonweg niet ontkennen, ook Boris van der Ham in zijn ivoren toren niet. Dat soort idiotie zie je nu eenmaal niet bij users die zich D66'er noemen, of PvdA'er of SP'er. Waarmee niet gezegd is dat de aanhang van de PVV er volledig mee samenvalt. Kan ook niet want er lopen nu eenmaal gelukkig zoveel idioten rond, maar ze worden juist door partijen als de PVV aangetrokken, denk ik. En die gevolgtrekking is niet een vorm van triomfalisme...

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Op zaterdag 23 juli 2011 20:35 schreef LXIV het volgende:

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Jij bent toch moslim? Als moslims morgen in Baghdad een moskee opblazen, zijn dat voor jou dan helden of idioten? En distantieer jij je ervan of geef je ze steun? Is toch precies hetzelfde!

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Op zaterdag 23 juli 2011 20:32 schreef Mutant01 het volgende:

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Ik vind het eerlijk gezegd helemaal geen goede posting, aangezien er helemaal niets bekend is over zijn sociale situatie. Hij had een woning in de stad en nog een boerderij daarbuiten. Hij was op het internet zeer politiek actief en er is niets wat wijst op een soort van sociaal geisoleerd persoon. Verder is zijn ideologie voor zover bekend aardig een kopie van waar de PVV voor staat en dat is wellicht wel interessant voor de mogelijke motieven.

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Op zaterdag 23 juli 2011 20:39 schreef LXIV het volgende:

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Geen enkele reden om daarop te gaan schieten. Mensen met het woord/de pen overtuigen is wezenlijk anders dan dit. Als Noorwegen als maatschappij kiest voor zogenaamde islamisering is dat uiteindelijk nog altijd de keuze van Noorwegen. Er is geen dictatuur die de islamisering oplegt.

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Op zaterdag 23 juli 2011 20:37 schreef Ryan3 het volgende:

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Linkse jongeren toch, het linkse multiculturele establishment van de toekomst van Noorwegen... dat zal toch niet zo onschuldig klinken, ook voor jou niet.

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Op zaterdag 23 juli 2011 20:40 schreef Mutant01 het volgende:

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Dat vind jij. En dat vind ik. Maar hij niet. Hij ziet de onafgebroken macht (30 jaar) van de sociaal-democraten wel als een dictatuur kennelijk.

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Op zaterdag 23 juli 2011 20:39 schreef mane het volgende:

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Uitingen van extreem geweld zie je over het hele politieke spectrum plaatsvinden: een politieke mening, of die nu rechts, conservatief of links en anarchistisch is, zegt niets over de vraag of iemand in staat is extreem geweld in te zetten. Dit soort acties valt niet te verklaren aan de hand van een ideologie. Het is eerder andersom: de mensen die zulk geweld gebruiken of het goedkeuren, passen hun meningen aan, en maken een eigen (geschifte) ideologie die uiteindelijk helemaal los staat van welke andere ideologie dan ook. Het is meer voer voor psychiaters dan voor politicologen, toch? Maar een diagnose kun je toch nooit stellen aan de hand van wat internetteksten?

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Op zaterdag 23 juli 2011 20:39 schreef mane het volgende:

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Uitingen van extreem geweld zie je over het hele politieke spectrum plaatsvinden: een politieke mening, of die nu rechts, conservatief of links en anarchistisch is, zegt niets over de vraag of iemand in staat is extreem geweld in te zetten. Dit soort acties valt niet te verklaren aan de hand van een ideologie. Het is eerder andersom: de mensen die zulk geweld gebruiken of het goedkeuren, passen hun meningen aan, en maken een eigen (geschifte) ideologie die uiteindelijk helemaal los staat van welke andere ideologie dan ook. Het is meer iets voer voor psychiaters dan voor politicologen, toch? Maar een diagnose kun je toch nooit stellen aan de hand van wat internetteksten?

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Op zaterdag 23 juli 2011 20:39 schreef NorthernStar het volgende:

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Ik ben een atheist en heb niks met geloof of religie.

Maar ik als ieder mens wel mijn overtuigingen en principes. En als iemand anders zou handelen in wat ik daarvoor in woord had gesteund zou ik hem achteraf niet afvallen maar naast hem staan.

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Op zaterdag 23 juli 2011 20:41 schreef LXIV het volgende:

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Waaraan zou ik ze dan schuldig achten?

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Op zaterdag 23 juli 2011 20:41 schreef LXIV het volgende:

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Waaraan zou ik ze dan schuldig achten?