Kerncentrales Japan #29

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Op dinsdag 19 juli 2011 10:00 schreef niels0 het volgende:
Er zou ook nog gedacht kunnen worden aan relokatie van energie-intensieve industrieen (Hoogoven ed.) zodat er meer capaciteit op de kabel overblijft voor huizen en 'gewone' bedrijven.

Echt hoor guys, ik ben hier al een tijdje mee bezig. 2.5 miljard voor de centrale (700MW), 1 - 1.5 miljard voor de kabel. Kan IJsland z'n schulden aan UK en NL inlossen zonder dat hun bevolking daar onder lijdt. Is dat terugbetaalt dan mogen ze het zaakje overnemen (ook weer betalen met energie).

Ik vind het aardig gek dat men warmte verkrijgt door kern-energie terwijl de warmte onder onze voeten ligt.

Hier nog even een grafiekje over de kosten voor de bouw van diverse vormen van opwekking:

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En vergeet niet dat de operationele kosten van geothermal- laag zijn.

Wat snap je niet aan:

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Op dinsdag 19 juli 2011 09:52 schreef Pheno het volgende:

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En voor de rest: Kernenergie - Een alternatief, of juist niet

Dit topic is voor nieuws uit Japan, niet voor ideeën die veel geld kosten en waar er heel veel hoge heren niet rijk door worden.

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Overigens zie ik dat die vol zit, maar er is een nieuwe: Kernenergie - Oplossing of ondergang #2
Daar kun je verder over jouw ideeën

Ik vond hier geen info meer, alleen discussies. Dus ben ik zelf even gaan zoeken.
Sterker nog, ik moest er een account voor aanmaken

Het is een lap teks maar het beschrijft duidelijk de huidge status.

Press Release (Jul 20,2011)
Plant Status of Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Station (as of 10:00 am, July 20)


*Updates are underlined.

All 6 units of Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Station have been shut down.

Unit 1 (Shut down)
- Explosive sound and white smoke were confirmed after the big quake
occurred at 3:36 pm on March 12. It was assumed to be hydrogen explosion.
- At approximately 2:30 am on March 23, seawater injection to the reactor
through the reactor feed water system was initiated.
- From 3:37 pm on March 25, we started injecting freshwater by a motor
driven pump which is now powered by the off-site transmission line.
Water is currently injected at approx. 3.7m3/h through reactor feed water
system piping arrangement.
- We commenced injection of nitrogen gas into Primary Containment Vessel
at 1:31am on April 7.

Unit 2 (Shut down)
- At approximately 6:00 am on March 15, an abnormal noise began emanating
from nearby Pressure Suppression Chamber and the pressure within the
chamber decreased.
- From 10:10 am on March 26, we started injecting freshwater to the reactor
and are now injecting fresh water by a motor driven pump powered by the
off-site transmission line. From 2:25pm on July 17, the motor driven pump
of Unit 2 is injecting the freshwater to the Unit 1 and 2 reactors.
Water is currently injected at approx. 3.8m3/h through reactor feed water
system piping arrangement.
- At 8:06 pm on June 28, we started injecting nitrogen gas into the Primary
Containment Vessel.

Unit 3 (Shut down)
- Explosive sound and white smoke were confirmed at approximately 11:01am
on March 14. It was assumed to be hydrogen explosion.
- From 6:02 pm on March 25, we started injecting fresh water to the reactor
and are now injecting fresh water by a motor driven pump powered by the
off-site transmission line.
Water is currently injected at approx. 9.0m3/h through reactor feed water
system piping arrangement.
- At 8:01 pm on July 14, injection of nitrogen gas into the Primary
Containment Vessel started.

Unit 4 (Outage due to regular inspection)
- At approximately 6:00 am on March 15, we confirmed the explosive sound
and the sustained damage around the 5th floor rooftop area of Reactor
Building.
- At this moment, we do not consider any reactor coolant leakage inside
the primary containment vessel has occurred.

Unit 5 (Outage due to regular inspection)
- Sufficient level of reactor coolant to ensure safety is maintained.
- At 5:00 am on March 19, we started the Residual Heat Removal System Pump
(C) in order to cool the spent fuel pool.
- At 2:30 pm on March 20, the reactor achieved cold shutdown.
- At 2:45pm on July 15, we started the operation of the original Residual
Heat Removal System Pump (B).
- At this moment, we do not consider any reactor coolant leakage inside the
primary containment vessel has occurred.

Unit 6 (Outage due to regular inspection)
- Sufficient level of reactor coolant to ensure safety is maintained.
- At 10:14 pm on March 19, we started the Residual Heat Removal System Pump
(B) of Unit 6 in order to cool the spent fuel pool.
- At 7:27 pm on March 20, the reactor achieved cold shutdown.
- At this moment, we do not consider any reactor coolant leakage inside the
primary containment vessel has occurred.

Operation for cooling the spent fuel pools
- At 5:21 pm on May 31, we started cyclic cooling of the spent fuel pool
in Unit 2 using alternative cooling system for fuel pool cooling and
filtering system.
- At 7:47 pm on June 30, we started cyclic cooling of the spent fuel pool
in Unit 3 using alternative cooling system for fuel pool cooling and
filtering system.
- We will continuously conduct further water spray depending on the
conditions of spent fuel pools, if needed.

Injury accident
- Around 10:06am on July 18, a worker of the partner company fell from the
distribution pole during the connection work of the optical cable near
the observatory entrance of the station. He was transported to the Iwaki
Kyouritsu Hospital by the helicopter emergency medical service (called
"Doctor Heli").

Others
- At 11:00 am on May 10, we started transferring accumulated water from the
underground level of reactor building to the radiation waste treatment
facility of Unit 6.
- At approximately 10:00 am on June 13, we started the operation of the
circulating seawater purification facility installed at the screen area
of Unit 2 and 3.
- From 8:00 pm on June17, we started operation of water treatment of
accumulated water at accumulated water treatment facility.
- At 6:00 pm on July 2, we started the circulating injection cooling to
inject the water, which was treated by the accumulated water treatment
system, to the reactors through the buffer tank.
- At 10:50 am on July 16, we started transfer of the accumulated water
from the Turbine Building of Unit 3 to the Process Main Building of the
Centralized Radiation Waste Treatment Facility.
- At 10:56 am on July 16, we started transfer of the accumulated water from
the Turbine Building of Unit 2 to the Process Main Building of the
Centralized Radiation Waste Treatment Facility.
- From 8:30am on July 18, we started an installation work of a temporary
roof for the Unit 3 turbine building in order to cover the roof's opening
as a measure for rainwater.
- At 11:00 am on July 19, we stopped the operation of the cesium adsorption
system at accumulated water treatment facility in order to replace the
cesium adsorption towers. At 3:03 pm on the same day, we started-up the
facility and at 3:17 pm, we restarted the treatment for accumulated water.
- We will continue to take all measures to ensure the safety and to continue
monitoring the surrounding environment around the power station.

Bron: http://www.tepco.co.jp/en/press/corp-com/release/11072001-e.html

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Op woensdag 20 juli 2011 09:16 schreef Ryker het volgende:

Het is een lap teks maar het beschrijft duidelijk de huidge status.

De huidige status? En daarvoor kijk je op de Tepco site??

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"Reactors are almost in the same situation as the early days of the accident"


Er wordt nog steeds domweg water in de reactoren gepompt. Een deel ontsnapt als radioactieve stoom en de rest komt als radioactief water terug. Dus alles is "volledig onder controle" om in Tepco termen te spreken.

Update van Arnie Gundersen


De Japanners hebben radioactief koeienvlees gegeten omdat de overheid alleen de huid van geslachte dieren controleerde. ( ) God ja want dat koeien gras en rijstplanten van het land eten en dat die gewassen wellicht net als de rest van het omgeving besmet zijn geworden, en de koeien dus oraal radioactief besmetting opliepen, nee dat had echt helemaal niemand kunnen voorzien...

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Beef from 648 cows suspected of being contaminated with radioactive cesium had been shipped to at least 43 prefectures around Japan as of July 19, according to an Asahi Shimbun investigation.

The government on July 19 instructed that shipment of beef cattle from Fukushima Prefecture be banned. bron

Verboden nadat er waarschijnlijk al honderden koeien tot glow-in-the-dark biefstuk en hamburger verwerkt zijn...

Lekker op tijd weer joh.

[ Bericht 0% gewijzigd door NorthernStar op 21-07-2011 06:03:07 ]

Het probleem zit m in de bronnen; Arnie Gundersen / Fairewinds gebruikt erg veel speculaties en oude foto's om te vertellen wat er is of gebeurd. En hij verteld erg vaak eht zelfde met andere woorden. Check maar eens zijn vele lezingen op Youtube. en cnn...ja die is van de zelfde gradatie als de Tepco berichtgeving.
(Hoor jij op CNN / Gov. TV nog iets over Nebrasca of New mexico met hun Nulcleare crisis?)

In het begin volgde ik @diederiksamsom via Fok want ik heb zelf geen Twitter. (en NHK. news) Nu is het probleem als je een search doet bv via google krijg je zo veel verschillende informatie.
Dat je niet meer weet wat nieuws is.

Wat ik wel interressant vind is http://www.world-nuclear-news.org/default.aspx
en de Fukushima portal http://www.world-nuclear.(...)hoku_earthquake.html

Fukushima emissions down
20 July 2011
Emissions of radioactivity from the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant are a tiny fraction of those during the height of the accident as Tokyo Electric Power Company moves to the next phase of its stabilisation roadmap.

Provisional analyses based on radiation dose rates at the site boundary show that emissions to air have reduced by a factor of two million compared to those at the height of the crisis, when the torus suppression chamber of unit 2 ruptured on 15 March.

Someone standing at the western border of the power plant today could expect to receive a maximum of 1.7 millisieverts per year (mSv/y) from airborne radioactivity from the three ruined reactors. This compares to the 2.4 mSv/y average that people worldwide receive from background sources, and the operational limit for nuclear power plants in Japan to limit public exposure to 1.0 mSv/y.

Dose rates from emissions drop dramatically away from the site: five kilometres away the maximum rate from newly released radiation is 0.3 mSv/y; ten kilometres away it is 0.09 mSv/y; and 20 kilometres away it is 0.03 mSv/y.

It is important to note that these figures apply only to the rate of release of radiation now, and do not include the effects of any materials already deposited on the ground, some of which will continue to emit radiation for many years. There are areas totalling about 1000 square kilometres where dose rates have been elevated beyond 20 mSv/y due to caesium-137 deposited on the ground.

However, the lowering of release rates from about two tera-becquerels per hour to around one giga-becquerel per hour means that Tokyo Electric Power Company is approaching a landmark in its control of the site.

One of the Step 1 roadmap targets, now officially completed, was 'mitigation of dispersion'. Towards that aim the company sprayed about 400,000 square metres of the site with dust control agents and removed 500 containers of contaminated debris. Work is ongoing now in preparation to install an airtight structure over unit 1, which will further control airborne emissions. Similar structures may be put in place over the other three damaged units.

Emissions to sea have been tackled separately. These too have been stopped, and water in the plant's port area filtered through zeolite blocks to reduce radioactivity from caesium. Water trapped in the basements of the power plant is being pumped to a storage and filtration centre before re-use as coolant for injection. Overall water levels in the buildings have fallen marginally as the system has come into operation, reducing the risk that any could overflow to the sea.

One other target area is in sight - cold shutdown of the reactors. A definition published yesterday by Tepco specified that cold shutdown is achieved when the temperature at the bottom of the reactor vessel is 'in general' below 100ºC. While the three crippled reactor cores have usually been above this, today the reported temperature of unit 1 was 100.0ºC, placing that goal in reach. Tepco expects emission rates from the power plant to go down further as temperatures are reduced.

Documents on the roadmap for restoration show that Tepco has met the conditions of Step 1, summarised as 'stable cooling' on schedule. It is now moving to Step 2, described as 'more stable cooling', which covers in a three to six month period:

•Ensuring the robustness of water injection and treatment facilities
•Installation of heat exchangers for the used fuel ponds of units 1 and 4
•A detailed investigation of groundwater conditions
•Expansion of water treatment and management of the sludge produced
•Installation of the cover on unit 1
•Removal of debris from the roofs of units 3 and 4
•Beginning 'full-fledged' decontamination
Researched and written
by World Nuclear News

Maar ik weet niet hoe objectief deze site is ondanks hun "eigen" research.

Gundersen legt het zo uit dat het voor een leek te begrijpen is en heeft de meest duidelijke antwoorden gegeven.

Alle vragen van wat is er gebeurd, wat is de huidige status, wat zijn de opties, waar zit het gevaar etc.

Hij interpreteert de informatie en geeft zijn visie dus ja in die zin is het achteraf. Desondanks is zijn uitleg achteraf telkens veel preciezer gebleken dan de info van Tepco of de Japanse regering. Die gaven pas na anderhalve maand de meltdowns toe.

Dat bericht klopt verder wel, zolang ze kunnen voorkomen dat er ergens opnieuw kernmateriaal kritiek gaat zal de hoeveelheid straling dalen. Voorlopig kunnen ze dat alleen door water te blijven pompen. Over die emissies heb ik wel mijn twijfels. Ze lozen nog steeds radioactieve stoom.

Wat oud nieuws


Eigenlijk is die laatste meer dan voldoende.
Total fuck up.
Ben Atheist, maar... God bewaar ons.

Cesium, Strontium, Tritium, etc.

Plutonium , God van de onderwereld.


» Er is al 30/600/240.000 jaren niet in dit topic gepost. Bedenk je of het zinvol is dit topic omhoog te schoppen. Klik hier om tóch te reageren.

Toch doen....






Alleen de data:
De echte DATA ?

Hoort dit onder de spoiler hoaxes in de OP ? Of is dit "nieuws" ?

Zijn er al definitieve oplossingen?

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Op zondag 31 juli 2011 19:32 schreef phpmystyle het volgende:
Zijn er al definitieve oplossingen?

Helaas...

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Fukushima: Dr. Leuren Moret accuses Stephen Harper and Barack Obama of genocide.

Independent scientist Leuren Moret, MA, PhD (ABT) has stated in exclusive April 4, 2011 interviews with reporter Alfred Lambremont Webre that the effects of the tectonic nuclear war against the populations and breadbaskets of North America (Canada, United States, Hawaii, and Mexico) are being intentionally covered up by the administrations of Barack Obama in the United States and Prime Minister Stephen Harper in Canada.

Ms. Moret has stated that the “Japan earthquake and ‘accidents’ at the Fukushima’s 6 nuclear power plant units starting March 11, 2011 are in fact deliberate acts of tectonic nuclear warfare using a sophisticated HAARP-aerosol/chemtrails plasma weapons system, and carried out against the populations and ecology of Japan and the nations of the Northern Hemisphere, including the U.S., Canada, and Mexico.

http://www.agoracosmopolitan.com/news/nature/2011/07/31/343.html

Stralingsniveau Fukushima bereikt recordhoogte


http://www.ad.nl/ad/nl/37(...)t-recordhoogte.dhtml

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Op maandag 1 augustus 2011 18:59 schreef THEFXR het volgende:
Stralingsniveau Fukushima bereikt recordhoogte

http://www.ad.nl/ad/nl/37(...)t-recordhoogte.dhtml

De overheid laat het flink afweten dus:

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Japanese Find Radioactivity on Their Own

So starting in April, Mrs. Okoshi began using her dosimeter to check nearby forest roads and rice paddies. What she found was startling. Near one sewage ditch, the meter beeped wildly, and the screen read 67 microsieverts per hour, a potentially harmful level. Mrs. Okoshi and a cousin who lives nearby worked up the courage to confront elected officials, who did not respond, confirming their worry that the government was not doing its job.
http://www.nytimes.com/20(...)1radiation.html?_r=1

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Op maandag 1 augustus 2011 20:19 schreef Resonancer het volgende:

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De overheid laat het flink afweten dus:

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Natuurlijk..... De overheid staat ook machteloos. Tegen de verspreiding van het nucleaire materiaal in het milieu is simpelweg niets te ondernemen op korte termijn. Wat je de overheid kwalijk kan nemen is het verkeerd inschatten van de risico's en de slechte voorlichting van het publiek.

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Op maandag 1 augustus 2011 20:24 schreef xenobinol het volgende:

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Natuurlijk..... De overheid staat ook machteloos. Tegen de verspreiding van het nucleaire materiaal in het milieu is simpelweg niets te ondernemen op korte termijn. Wat je de overheid kwalijk kan nemen is het verkeerd inschatten van de risico's en de slechte voorlichting van het publiek.

Ik denk daar anders over. Ten tijde van Tsjernobyl werden er 600.000 "vrijwilligers" nauwelijks voorzien van beschermende middelen naar het gebied gestuurd om verspreiding tegen te gaan.
'N grote macht van de overheid is het militaire apparaat, laat ze dat dan gebruiken als de nood aan de man is.
Ben eigenlijk wel benieuwd hoe dat in NL geregeld is ?
Wie de rotzooi moet "opruimen " , tussen haakjes want verplaatsen, isoleren, is n beter term.

http://news.nationalgeogr(...)iquidators-pictures/

Volgens de kernenergy lobby zijn er daar maar 'n paar aan de gevolgen van straling overleden (58 lees ik)

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The Chernobyl Forum report says that people in the area have suffered a paralysing fatalism due to myths and misperceptions about the threat of radiation, which has contributed to a culture of chronic dependency. Some "took on the role of invalids." Mental health coupled with smoking and alcohol abuse is a very much greater problem than radiation, but worst of all at the time was the underlying level of health and nutrition. Apart from the initial 116,000, relocations of people were very traumatic and did little to reduce radiation exposure, which was low anyway. Psycho-social effects among those affected by the accident are similar to those arising from other major disasters such as earthquakes, floods and fires.
http://www.world-nuclear.org/info/chernobyl/inf07.html

Niks aan de hand toch ? Waarom lukt het nu dan niet om mensen te werven ?

Qua onduidelijkheid ben ik het wel zeer met je eens.

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Paul Jobin: Ten days ago, there were four teams of fifty, or two hundred workers. According to the most recent information, there would be six hundred. This figure might include fire fighters and soldiers, but this remains unclear. In a week, how many will there be? TEPCO had to mobilize its network of subcontractors for emergency recruiting in the region or even beyond.

Read more http://inteldaily.com/201(...)ar-contract-workers/

Ik ga in ieder geval geen radioactieve troep opruimen

Laat de voorstanders van deze gevaarlijke vorm van energieopwekking het maar doen

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1-8-2011

Iwate to join cattle ban; hundreds more suspected tainted
Kyodo

SAGA — The government decided Sunday to ban shipment of all beef cattle from Iwate Prefecture after cesium above the government limit of 500 becquerels per kilogram was found in the meat of a sixth animal, sources said.

The order, based on a special law on nuclear power plant-related accidents, is expected to be officially issued on Monday.

http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/nn20110801a2.html

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1-8-2011

Highly radioactive water flows into another place

Highly radioactive water has been found in the basement of a building at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant near the storage facility for contaminated water.

Tokyo Electric Power Company said on Monday that it discovered about 700 tons of contaminated water on Saturday in the basement of an on-site building.

The utility said the water contained 19,000 becquerels of radioactive cesium 134 per cubic centimeter, and 22,000 becquerels of cesium 137 --- both very high levels.

Until June, the building was connected by a hose with another building where highly radioactive water is now being stored. The buildings are located next to each other and are part of the plant's waste disposal facility...



http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/01_32.html

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2-8-2011

Fukushima radiation reaches lethal levels

On Tuesday Tepco said it found another spot on the ventilation stack itself where radiation exceeded 10 sieverts per hour, a level that could lead to incapacitation or death after just a short period of exposure.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/aug/02/japan-nuclear

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3-8-2011

Chiba, Tochigi to test rice for cesium traces

The Chiba and Tochigi prefectural governments say they will test the rice harvested in their prefectures for radiation.

The decision comes after radioactive cesium was detected in rice straw, vegetables and compost following the Fukushima nuclear accident.



http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/01_12.html

Achtergrondinfo:

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U.S. pressing for deal with other countries to build nuclear fuel repository in Mongolia

Momentum has been quickly building behind the scenes for an ambitious and controversial project led by the United States and Japan to build a nuclear fuel repository in Mongolia as Washington is trying to secure a memorandum of understanding (MOU) with other countries concerned by the end of this year.
http://mdn.mainichi.jp/mdnnews/news/20110801p2a00m0na022000c.html

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Mongolia eyes first nuclear power plant by 2020

Mongolia plans to have its first nuclear power plant by 2020 and build nuclear fuel production capacity by tapping the country's rich uranium resources, undeterred by the recent nuclear crisis in Japan, a senior official at the state-owned MonAtom LLC said on Thursday.

http://www.reuters.com/ar(...)dUSTRE73625A20110407

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Geëvacueerd uit Fukushima, en nu?
Nieuwsuur besteedt in twee uitgebreide reportages aandacht aan de nasleep van de kernramp in Japan. Vorige week werd het eerste deel uitgezonden, waarin onder meer een gesprek met twee medewerkers van getroffen centrale Fukushima Dai'ichi. Vanavond deel 2: een impressie uit de provincie Fukushima, waar dorpen gedeeltelijk of helemaal veranderd zijn in spookdorpjes door de aanhoudende hoge straling.

Deel 1: Medewerkers Fukushima spreken
Deel 2: Geëvacueerd uit Fukushima, en nu?

Maanden later spreekt men:

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Canada Admits Massive Fukushima Radiation Over Canada
http://www.setyoufreenews(...)diation-over-canada/

Wat meer recent:

Aardbeving weer?

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Op donderdag 11 augustus 2011 22:40 schreef tralalala het volgende:
Aardbeving weer?

\
ja

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diederiksamsom Diederik Samsom
Aardbeving in #Fukushima, kracht 6. Even adem in, want reactoren/ruïnes zijn nog niet allen aardbevingsproof, maar TEPCO meldt "geen schade"

Als TEPCO dat zegt zal het wel waar zijn

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Op donderdag 11 augustus 2011 22:51 schreef Darklight het volgende:
Als TEPCO dat zegt zal het wel waar zijn

hebben ze ons ooit voorgelogen?