9/11 # 29 MIHOP

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Op vrijdag 1 oktober 2010 14:48 schreef Oblivion het volgende:

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Jawel! Kan je even zoeken op youtube! Ik heb het gezien. Bij een vlieg show.

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WTC Victims May Have Been "Vaporized" According to Medical Examiner


The Washington Post Online
By Richard Pyle
Associated Press Writers
Tuesday, December 4, 2001; 2:21 PM

NEW YORK –– Three months after the World Trade Center attack, victims' families are being forced to face the ghastly possibility that many of the dead were "vaporized," as the medical examiner put it, and may never be identified.

So far, fewer than 500 victims have been positively identified out of the roughly 3,000 feared dead. Sixty were identified solely through DNA.

The city and state have allowed victims' families to obtain death certificates without proof of a body, but many families place great importance on an ID based on actual remains.

"Until you have something tangible, you just keep hoping – maybe there'll be some sort of miracle," said Jeanne Maurer, whose 31-year-old daughter, Jill Campbell, is presumed dead. "You can't accept it until you have something.

"I still say, 'My daughter's missing,'" Maurer said.

Many victims will undoubtedly be identified. Nearly 10,000 body parts have been pulled from the mountains of mangled metal and matchstick-size splinters at ground zero.

But Dr. Charles Hirsch, the chief medical examiner, triggered an angry response two weeks ago when he told grieving relatives that many bodies – no one is sure how many – had been "vaporized" and were beyond identification.

Hirsch declined to be interviewed. But spokeswoman Ellen Borakove said he meant that bodies were consumed by blazing fuel from the two crashed airliners, or "rendered into dust" when the 1,100-foot skyscrapers collapsed, one concrete slab floor onto another.

Dr. Michael Baden, the state's chief forensic pathologist and a top expert in the field, said in September that most bodies should be identifiable because the fires – while hot enough to melt steel – did not reach the 3,200-degree, 30-minute level necessary to incinerate a body.

Borakove said her office agrees with Baden's calculation – as applied to a full body. "But when the planes hit the buildings, the bodies that were in the planes as well as some of the bodies that were in the buildings were fragmented upon impact, and those fragments burn more quickly," she said.

The combination of fire and compression from tons of rubble could reduce a human body to a small amount of tissue and bone, said Dr. Cyril Wecht, a top forensic pathologist in Pittsburgh. And finding such small samples of DNA in 1.2 million tons of rubble spread over 16 acres is a difficult proposition.

"There are pieces," he said. "But how do you identify and extract it from other similarly appearing pieces at the site – bricks, mortar, rubble?"

Marian Fontana, president of the Sept. 11 Widows and Victims' Families Association, said: "My fear is that financial incentives will cause the city to clean up the site quickly, rather than to treat it as a retrieval site and do things in a dignified way."

Her firefighter husband, Dave, is among the missing.

In particular, families are worried that remains will end up at the Staten Island landfill where trade center debris is taken and sorted.

"The remains shouldn't end up in the garbage heap," Maurer said.
Forensic pathologists are trying to match the DNA of tissue taken from ground zero with the DNA of known victims. Victims' families have supplied clothes, hairbrushes and other personal items from which DNA could be lifted for comparison.

Hirsch's task is unprecedented in size. After the Oklahoma City bombing, all 168 people killed were eventually identified. But even after four years, some of the recovered tissue and bone were never linked to any of the victims.

Borakove said recently developed computer software enables more efficient DNA identification.

In the meantime, some families, like the Maurers, are waiting to schedule services.

"We're not ready really for a memorial," said her father, Joseph Maurer. "We'll do a funeral with remains – if we find them."
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Associated Press writers Verena Dobnik and Larry McShane contributed to this story.
© 2001 The Associated Press

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"Dr. Michael Baden, the state's chief forensic pathologist and a top expert in the field, said in September that most bodies should be identifiable because the fires – while hot enough to melt steel – did not reach the 3,200-degree, 30-minute level necessary to incinerate a body."

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Op vrijdag 1 oktober 2010 15:44 schreef Oblivion het volgende:

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Ja, maar dan kan het dus wel...

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Op vrijdag 1 oktober 2010 15:51 schreef JohnnyKnoxville het volgende:

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Ze waren niet onervaren, ze hebben bij notabene een Nederlander vlieglessen genomen. Daarnaast is er in (ik meen) Zembla aangetoond dat iemand zonder al te veel ervaring in een vliegsimulator een gebouw kan raken.

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Op vrijdag 1 oktober 2010 16:52 schreef JohnnyKnoxville het volgende:
Alsof mijn mening zaligmakend is. .
Ik zeg alleen maar hoe ík dat zie.
Er was een hoop paniek en onduidelijkheid op die dag, dat weet ik nog wel. Dat een nieuwszender op informatie afgaat die foutief is kan gebeuren, maar niet alles wat die dag op tv is geweest is gedubbelcheckt in alle paniek.
Een ander zal er een fout in de samenzwering in zien.

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Op vrijdag 1 oktober 2010 19:45 schreef oompaloompa het volgende:

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nee jij zegt dat mach4 nodig is, ik geloof dat niet en vraag waar je die claim op baseert.

9/11 New FOIA WTC 7 Explosions and Cars Destroyed by Pyroclastic Cloud

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Een pyroclastische stroom of gloedwolk is een van de verwoestendste effecten van een vulkaanuitbarsting. De golven bestaan uit vaste of halfvloeibare lava, gas, rotsen en as. Ze kunnen temperaturen bereiken tot circa 850 °C[1] en – afhankelijk van het volume materiaal, de verhouding vaste stof/gas en de hellingsgraad - snelheden tot circa 725 km/u[2]. Hun grootte kan variëren van enkele honderden kubieke meters tot enkele kubieke kilometers. De meeste golven zijn 10 km3 groot en kunnen enkele kilometers lang doorgaan.

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Op vrijdag 1 oktober 2010 21:30 schreef oompaloompa het volgende:

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Je zegt nu gewoon nog een keer hetzelfde. Mijn vraag was op basis waarvan jij denkt dat het onmogelijk is dat een aluminium vliegtuig door een stalen balk heen komt.

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Thursday, July 16, 2009
John Lear's No Plane Affadavit

No Boeing 767 airliners hit the Twin Towers as fraudulently alleged by the government, media, NIST and its contractors. Such crashes did not occur because they are physically impossible as depicted for the following reasons:

A. In the case of UAL 175 going into the south tower, a real Boeing 767 would have begun 'telescoping' when the nose hit the 14 inch steel columns which are 39 inches on center. The vertical and horizontal tail would have instantaneously separated from the aircraft, hit the steel box columns and fallen to the ground.

B. The engines when impacting the steel columns would have maintained their general shape and either fallen to the ground or been recovered in the debris of the collapsed building. One alleged engine part was found on Murray Street but there should be three other engine cores weighing over 9000 pounds each. Normal operating temperatures for these engines are 650°C so they could not possibly have burned up. This is a photo of a similar sized engine from a McDonnell-Douglas MD-11 which impacted the ocean at a high rate of speed. You can see that the engine remains generally intact.(photo, http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/...rld/main546355. shtml)

C. When and if the nose of an airplane came in contact with the buildings 14 inch by 14 inch steel box columns and then, 37 feet beyond, the steel box columns of the building core the momentum of the wings would have slowed drastically depriving them of the energy to penetrate the exterior steel box columns. The spars of the wing, which extend outward, could not possibly have penetrated the 14 inch by 14 inch steel box columns placed 39 inches on center and would have crashed to the ground.

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Sowieso veroorzaakt een explosief niet een pyroclastische wolk, maar zelfs wanneer er een geweest was had dat niet tot zulke wrakken geleid