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Op vrijdag 19 december 2008 19:34 schreef Arcee het volgende:
Je gaat short voor de eindejaarsrally?
iig short gaan voor het nieuwe jaar.
  FOK!-Schrikkelbaas vrijdag 19 december 2008 @ 19:37:20 #102
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Op vrijdag 19 december 2008 19:36 schreef pberends het volgende:
iig short gaan voor het nieuwe jaar.
Dat zeker, ja. Ik denk dat niemand met z'n aandelen 2009 in durft.:')
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Op vrijdag 19 december 2008 19:37 schreef Arcee het volgende:

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Dat zeker, ja. Ik denk dat niemand met z'n aandelen 2009 in durft.:')
Je moet wel gek zijn inderdaad. Vooral de Amerikaanse beurzen zijn nauwelijks nog goedkoop te noemen met de huidige niveau's. En als die naar beneden gaan, gaan de Europese beurzen nog dubbel zo hard naar beneden, zeker als olie en de dollar nog verder gaan dalen.

Na het nieuwjaar zal de volatiliteit weer sterk toenemen, en ik denk niet dat de volatiliteit omhoog is. De beurzen kunnen in ieder geval niet meer opveren omdat centrale banken of overheden nog zoveel middelen of leuke plannen hebben.
  FOK!-Schrikkelbaas vrijdag 19 december 2008 @ 20:22:54 #104
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Volatiliteit is toch ideaal voor daytraders zoals hier, neem ik aan, veel zitten?
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Op vrijdag 19 december 2008 20:22 schreef Arcee het volgende:
Volatiliteit is toch ideaal voor daytraders zoals hier, neem ik aan, veel zitten?
Volatiliteit geeft meestal aan dat de paniek groot is, en dat de beurzen vooral neerwaarts gaan.
  FOK!-Schrikkelbaas vrijdag 19 december 2008 @ 20:27:15 #106
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Maar gedurende de dag heb je ook veel pieken. Of je dan uiteindelijk lager sluit maakt dan niet zoveel uit.
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Dow 8,579.11 -25.88 (-0.30%)
S&P 500 887.58 +2.30 (0.26%)
Nasdaq 1,564.32 +11.95 (0.77%)

Niet best.
  FOK!-Schrikkelbaas vrijdag 19 december 2008 @ 22:10:23 #108
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Waarom niet? S&P in de plus, man.
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Stuk slechter dan toen de AEX sloot bedoel ik .
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Zeg ik open zo een topic waarin iedereen 5 aandelen kiest voor 2009
(en aan het eind van 2009 is dan bekend wie het meeste verdiend zou hebben)

Maar nu zit ik te dubben: mag je tussentijds een aandeel eruit gooien en een ander erin (bv: 1x per maand ofzo)? Of moeten de 5 aandelen gewoon voor heel 2009 gelden (minder interessant maar misschien wel beter)?
  FOK!-Schrikkelbaas vrijdag 19 december 2008 @ 23:21:58 #111
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1 keer kiezen maakt het wel overzichtelijker.

En is misschien wel net zo spannend.
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1 keer lijkt mij het spannendst en het leukst, lijkt ook het meest op lange termijn beleggen.
De discussie is niet privacy tegenover veiligheid maar vrijheid tegenover controle
Overzicht privacy-inperkende maatregelen/wetten/voorstellen
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  FOK!-Schrikkelbaas vrijdag 19 december 2008 @ 23:29:43 #114
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Inderdaad, hoewel in dit topic een week al lange termijn lijkt.
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Chrysler, GM Get $3.3 Billion Canada Loan, Could Receive More

Dec. 21 (Bloomberg) -- General Motors Corp. and Chrysler LLC will get C$4 billion ($3.3 billion) in government loans from Canada and the province of Ontario, Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper said yesterday, refusing to rule out further aid.

A day after the U.S. agreed to lend the two automakers $13.4 billion in emergency loans to keep them operating, Canada and Ontario said they will advance General Motors’ Canadian unit C$3 billion while Chrysler will receive C$1 billion. GM had asked for a total of C$2.4 billion in aid from Canada through the second quarter and Chrysler LLC had not disclosed a sum.

“It’s pretty striking that they’re lending more money than was asked for,” Dmitry Anastakis, a professor of history and Canadian auto policy at Trent University in Peterborough, Ontario, said in an interview yesterday. “This totally conflicts with the rhetoric we’ve heard from Ottawa about the need to protect the interest of the taxpayers.”

“I cannot rule it out,” the prime minister told reporters at a briefing yesterday in Toronto when asked whether he may offer the automakers additional aid. “We have a social responsibility that goes beyond the marketplace.”

The automakers must accept limits on executive compensation and report “material” transactions of more than C$125 million, the governments said in a joint statement. Harper declined to say what penalties Chrysler and GM would face if they had to file for bankruptcy and could not repay the loans.

“We will not allow a catastrophic failure” of the Canadian auto industry, Harper said. “They will not fail in my judgment” but “the auto companies have to change the way they do their business in a very serious way.”

‘Proportional’ Loan

Canadian Industry Minister Tony Clement on Dec. 12 pledged to offer GM, Chrysler and Ford Motor Co.’s Canadian units federal and provincial aid “proportional” to their contribution to North American production, which is about 20 percent. Ontario, the country’s automaking hub, last year built more cars than Michigan.

The aid package is “not a blank check” and Canadian taxpayers expect the money to be used to renew the industry and involve all stakeholders in that process, Harper said.
Ontario will contribute C$1.3 billion to the package and the Canadian government C$2.7 billion, Ontario Premier Dalton McGuinty said at the same news conference.

“This is about 400,000 jobs and 400,000 families,” said McGuinty. “There’s a lot at risk,” he said, adding that there is a “real possibility” that Chrysler and GM will ask for more money, which, he said, will have to be considered if and when that happens.

Announcement Praised

The Canadian units of both GM and Chrysler praised the announcement.

This support is a “welcome financial bridge,” Arturo Elias, president of GM’s Canadian business said in a Marketwire statement. “GM Canada intends to earn the trust being placed in us.”

“Chrysler is very pleased with the decision by the Canadian government to provide this loan, which will ensure Chrysler has sufficient funds to continue our restructuring activities during this unprecedented downturn,” the automaker’s Canadian unit said in an e-mailed statement.

The Canadian Auto Workers union, which represents about 27,800 active GM, Chrysler and Ford Motor Co. workers in Canada, lauded the package and pledged to continue working with the companies and governments to ensure the industry’s survival in Canada, Ken Lewenza, president of the union said.

The pledge “was important for our industry, our workers and for all citizens of Canada,” Lewenza said yesterday in a press briefing.

Declined to Speculate

He declined to speculate on whether his membership will have to take wage-and-benefit cuts as part of the package.

The U.S. package requires companies to have pay-and-work rules in place by the end of 2009 that make them competitive with those of overseas automakers with plants in the U.S.

The C$600 million in loans beyond what GM had asked for may be a sweetener to keep more jobs or assembly projects in Canada, Trent’s Anastakis said.

“Canada is in a position here that it can’t make too many demands and may be making a generous offer so Ontario doesn’t get left behind when the real restructuring begins,” he said.

GM will receive C$800 million Dec. 29, C$1.2 billion on Jan. 30 and a further C$1 billion on Feb. 27. Chrysler gets C$400 million immediately with another C$400 million at the end of January and the balance in February. The loans are for three years and are charged at 3 percentage points above the London Interbank Offered Rate, or Libor. Libor is currently 1.5 percent for 3-month loans in dollars.

Auto Suppliers Insurance

The Canadian government said it will extend insurance to auto suppliers for their accounts receivable to ensure that they can continue to secure credit. The government said it will also improve access to credit for consumers and businesses to stimulate car purchases and help car dealers without giving details.

The industry will have to restructure and will probably end up being smaller, said Harper. “This will be a difficult restructuring,” said McGuinty.

Ford’s Canadian unit had asked for access to as much as C$2 billion in “standby” credit, to be used if the current economic crisis worsens. Today’s statement did not address the status of that request.
Het is niet veel maar GM haalt de kerst in ieder geval wel!
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Op zondag 21 december 2008 10:58 schreef pberends het volgende:
http://www.geenstijl.nl/m(...)een_de_autoberg.html

Vliegveld vol met auto's .
Drugshond was je voor
Nieuw fenomeen! De Autoberg

En wat moeten jullie allemaal op Geenstijl?
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Dat zijn flink wat auto's!
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  zondag 21 december 2008 @ 16:52:15 #122
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Weet iemand of er een lijst bestaat met rendementen als je precies de adviezen van Vlug, Davids en van Mourik opvolgt? Dus als zij het advies buy geven, jij gelijk de aandelen koopt en als zij sell opgeven, ze gelijk weer verkoopt?
  FOK!-Schrikkelbaas zondag 21 december 2008 @ 23:43:25 #125
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Weet iemand iets van hoe indextrackers werken? Die horen toch gelijk aan de index te lopen?

Maar als je bijvoorbeeld kijkt naar donderdag en vrijdag:

2008-12-18: 24,65 249,88
2008-12-19: 24,87 249,54
(datum, tracker, AEX)

De tracker stijgt met 0.89% en de AEX zelf zakt met 0.14%.

Hoe kan dat?
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