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Op dinsdag 23 september 2008 19:14 schreef henkway het volgende:

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Amerikanen zijn altijd positief, en misschien denken ze, als de overheid ook alle creditcardpositiies overneemt van de particulieren, dan kunnen die ook weer verder.
De belastingbetalers nemen de creditcardposities over van de ... belastingbetalers?

Henry Paulson is linkser dan Jan Marijnissen

Dow tuimelt nu trouwens een beetje
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Op dinsdag 23 september 2008 19:06 schreef ItaloDancer het volgende:

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westen bedoel je
Oh ja...
  dinsdag 23 september 2008 @ 20:24:35 #278
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POLL-CNBC
Who stands to gain the most from the proposed bailout plan? * 18774 responses

  • 65 % Wall Street
  • 17 % Both
  • 7,4 % Neither
  • 5,6 % Don't know
  • 4,7 % Main Street
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    Op dinsdag 23 september 2008 19:33 schreef ItaloDancer het volgende:

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    De belastingbetalers nemen de creditcardposities over van de ... belastingbetalers?

    Henry Paulson is linkser dan Jan Marijnissen

    Dow tuimelt nu trouwens een beetje
    Ja ik voel me ook altijd rijker met 100 euro op zak en een lege bankrekening dan andersom
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    Op dinsdag 23 september 2008 20:24 schreef Drugshond het volgende:

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    Wat een poll.
      dinsdag 23 september 2008 @ 21:01:54 #281
    78918 SeLang
    Black swans matter
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    Het blijkt allemaal de schuld te zijn van de linksen!
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    How the Democrats Created the Financial Crisis

    Commentary by Kevin Hassett


    Sept. 22 (Bloomberg) -- The financial crisis of the past year has provided a number of surprising twists and turns, and from Bear Stearns Cos. to American International Group Inc., ambiguity has been a big part of the story.

    Why did Bear Stearns fail, and how does that relate to AIG? It all seems so complex.

    But really, it isn't. Enough cards on this table have been turned over that the story is now clear. The economic history books will describe this episode in simple and understandable terms: Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac exploded, and many bystanders were injured in the blast, some fatally.

    Fannie and Freddie did this by becoming a key enabler of the mortgage crisis. They fueled Wall Street's efforts to securitize subprime loans by becoming the primary customer of all AAA-rated subprime-mortgage pools. In addition, they held an enormous portfolio of mortgages themselves.

    In the times that Fannie and Freddie couldn't make the market, they became the market. Over the years, it added up to an enormous obligation. As of last June, Fannie alone owned or guaranteed more than $388 billion in high-risk mortgage investments. Their large presence created an environment within which even mortgage-backed securities assembled by others could find a ready home.

    The problem was that the trillions of dollars in play were only low-risk investments if real estate prices continued to rise. Once they began to fall, the entire house of cards came down with them.

    Turning Point

    Take away Fannie and Freddie, or regulate them more wisely, and it's hard to imagine how these highly liquid markets would ever have emerged. This whole mess would never have happened.

    It is easy to identify the historical turning point that marked the beginning of the end.

    Back in 2005, Fannie and Freddie were, after years of dominating Washington, on the ropes. They were enmeshed in accounting scandals that led to turnover at the top. At one telling moment in late 2004, captured in an article by my American Enterprise Institute colleague Peter Wallison, the Securities and Exchange Comiission's chief accountant told disgraced Fannie Mae chief Franklin Raines that Fannie's position on the relevant accounting issue was not even ``on the page'' of allowable interpretations.

    Then legislative momentum emerged for an attempt to create a ``world-class regulator'' that would oversee the pair more like banks, imposing strict requirements on their ability to take excessive risks. Politicians who previously had associated themselves proudly with the two accounting miscreants were less eager to be associated with them. The time was ripe.

    Greenspan's Warning

    The clear gravity of the situation pushed the legislation forward. Some might say the current mess couldn't be foreseen, yet in 2005 Alan Greenspan told Congress how urgent it was for it to act in the clearest possible terms: If Fannie and Freddie ``continue to grow, continue to have the low capital that they have, continue to engage in the dynamic hedging of their portfolios, which they need to do for interest rate risk aversion, they potentially create ever-growing potential systemic risk down the road,'' he said. ``We are placing the total financial system of the future at a substantial risk.''

    What happened next was extraordinary. For the first time in history, a serious Fannie and Freddie reform bill was passed by the Senate Banking Committee. The bill gave a regulator power to crack down, and would have required the companies to eliminate their investments in risky assets.

    Different World

    If that bill had become law, then the world today would be different. In 2005, 2006 and 2007, a blizzard of terrible mortgage paper fluttered out of the Fannie and Freddie clouds, burying many of our oldest and most venerable institutions. Without their checkbooks keeping the market liquid and buying up excess supply, the market would likely have not existed.

    But the bill didn't become law, for a simple reason: Democrats opposed it on a party-line vote in the committee, signaling that this would be a partisan issue. Republicans, tied in knots by the tight Democratic opposition, couldn't even get the Senate to vote on the matter.

    That such a reckless political stand could have been taken by the Democrats was obscene even then. Wallison wrote at the time: ``It is a classic case of socializing the risk while privatizing the profit. The Democrats and the few Republicans who oppose portfolio limitations could not possibly do so if their constituents understood what they were doing.''

    Mounds of Materials

    Now that the collapse has occurred, the roadblock built by Senate Democrats in 2005 is unforgivable. Many who opposed the bill doubtlessly did so for honorable reasons. Fannie and Freddie provided mounds of materials defending their practices. Perhaps some found their propaganda convincing.

    But we now know that many of the senators who protected Fannie and Freddie, including Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton and Christopher Dodd, have received mind-boggling levels of financial support from them over the years.

    Throughout his political career, Obama has gotten more than $125,000 in campaign contributions from employees and political action committees of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, second only to Dodd, the Senate Banking Committee chairman, who received more than $165,000.

    Clinton, the 12th-ranked recipient of Fannie and Freddie PAC and employee contributions, has received more than $75,000 from the two enterprises and their employees. The private profit found its way back to the senators who killed the fix.


    There has been a lot of talk about who is to blame for this crisis. A look back at the story of 2005 makes the answer pretty clear.

    Oh, and there is one little footnote to the story that's worth keeping in mind while Democrats point fingers between now and Nov. 4: Senator John McCain was one of the three cosponsors of S.190, the bill that would have averted this mess.

    (Kevin Hassett, director of economic-policy studies at the American Enterprise Institute, is a Bloomberg News columnist. He is an adviser to Republican Senator John McCain of Arizona in the 2008 presidential election. The opinions expressed are his own.)

    To contact the writer of this column: Kevin Hassett at khassett@aei.org

    Last Updated: September 22, 2008 00:04 EDT
    "If you want to make God laugh, tell him about your plans"
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    Met 125.000 dollar veegt Obama z'n reet af
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    Goed stuk van Kevin Hassett. Ik heb al eerder een stuk neergeplempt dat op hetzelfde neerkwam.
    Good intentions and tender feelings may do credit to those who possess them, but they often lead to ineffective — or positively destructive — policies ... Kevin D. Williamson
      dinsdag 23 september 2008 @ 21:55:38 #284
    89730 Drugshond
    De Euro. Mislukt vanaf dag 1.
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    Op dinsdag 23 september 2008 21:01 schreef SeLang het volgende:
    Het blijkt allemaal de schuld te zijn van de linksen!
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    Throughout his political career, Obama has gotten more than $125,000 in campaign contributions from employees and political action committees of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac
    Wow, 0.125 miljoen dollar. En dat van de vele duizenden employees.

    Obama totale campagne kan dit jaar uitlopen tot 500 miljoen dollar, of misschien wel 1000 miljoen.
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    Op dinsdag 23 september 2008 21:01 schreef SeLang het volgende:
    Het blijkt allemaal de schuld te zijn van de linksen!
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    Ja, ik hoorde al dat men Clinton de schuld wilde geven en Kennedy en Roosevelt en een wetje uit 1585.
    daarom krijgen de banken nu 700 miljard en kost IRAK ook 700 miljard, maar de taxcut voor de rijken is geregeld

    En Bush was acht jaar op vakantie, dus die kan er niets aan doen
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    Futs knallen omhoog nu... ?

    Toch niet alleen op dit? Of wel?

    5:54 p.m.
    [GS] Berkshire also to get $5 bln in Goldman common warrants
    5:53 p.m.
    [GS] Goldman to sell $5 bln preferred stock to Berkshire Hathaway
    5:53 p.m.
    [GS] Goldman to raise $2.5 bln in public equity offering
    5:52 p.m.
    [GS] Goldman Sachs evening-traded shares jump 9% to $136.85
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    Buffett gaat zich ermee bemoeien dus?
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    Op woensdag 24 september 2008 00:22 schreef Bananenman het volgende:
    Buffett gaat zich ermee bemoeien dus?
    Veel centjes verloren met de kredietcrisis en gaat ze dus terug proberen verdienen.
    Het lijkt net een gokverslaafde alleen zal het hem vast nog lukken ook
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    Maar ja waar hebben we het over, een paar losse miljardjes de afgelopen weken zijn we toch andere bedragen gewend.
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    Op woensdag 24 september 2008 00:32 schreef ItaloDancer het volgende:
    Maar ja waar hebben we het over, een paar losse miljardjes de afgelopen weken zijn we toch andere bedragen gewend.
    tjah, kinderspel
      woensdag 24 september 2008 @ 09:24:03 #292
    219615 drummerdude
    Wat een kutplaatje
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    Ik las laatst dingen over de rotte-appel theorie... Weet iemand waar dat staat uitgelegd?
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    Op dinsdag 23 september 2008 21:01 schreef SeLang het volgende:
    Het blijkt allemaal de schuld te zijn van de linksen!
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    Alleen het feit dat Freddie en Fannie alle rotte leningen opkopen, betekent toch niet dat de banken geen verantwoordelijkheid hebben? Het is verkeerd om op deze manier de risico's voor de banken af te dekken, maar de banken hebben er ook schaamteloos misbruik van gemaakt.
    "I can accept failure. I can not accept not trying."
      woensdag 24 september 2008 @ 12:55:32 #294
    89730 Drugshond
    De Euro. Mislukt vanaf dag 1.
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    Ziezo... eindelijk kan ik er weer op

    Kees van vandaag
    Grote huillie huillie van de financiele sector, en Paulson en Benny zijn gewoon in paniek geraakt.
    En proberen nu paniek te creëren om huillie huillie mannetjes te redden.
      woensdag 24 september 2008 @ 12:58:12 #295
    89730 Drugshond
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    Op woensdag 24 september 2008 00:22 schreef Bananenman het volgende:
    Buffett gaat zich ermee bemoeien dus?
    Alleen met een goeie regeling.... en reken maar dat hij die heeft afgedwongen (low-risk... max rendement).
      woensdag 24 september 2008 @ 12:59:46 #296
    89730 Drugshond
    De Euro. Mislukt vanaf dag 1.
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    (Received by email from NigeriaWashington, DC)

    From: Minister of the Treasury Paulson

    Subject: REQUEST FOR URGENT CONFIDENTIAL BUSINESS RELATIONSHIP

    Dear American:

    I need to ask you to support an urgent secret business relationship with a transfer of funds of great magnitude.

    I am Ministry of the Treasury of the Republic of America. My country has had crisis that has caused the need for large transfer of funds of 800 billion dollars US. If you would assist me in this transfer, it would be most profitable to you.

    I am working with Mr. Phil Gram, lobbyist for UBS, who will be my replacement as Ministry of the Treasury in January. As a Senator, you may know him as the leader of the American banking deregulation movement in the 1990s. This transactin is 100% safe.

    This is a matter of great urgency. We need a blank check. We need the funds as quickly as possible. We cannot directly transfer these funds in the names of our close friends because we are constantly under surveillance. My family lawyer advised me that I should look for a reliable and trustworthy person who will act as a next of kin so the funds can be transferred.

    Please reply with all of your bank account, IRA and college fund account numbers and those of your children and grandchildren to wallstreetbailout@treasury.gov so that we may transfer your commission for this transaction. After I receive that information, I will respond with detailed information about safeguards that will be used to protect the funds.

    Yours Faithfully
    Minister of Treasury Paulson
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    Op woensdag 24 september 2008 12:59 schreef Drugshond het volgende:

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    Op woensdag 24 september 2008 12:59 schreef Drugshond het volgende:

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    Op woensdag 24 september 2008 12:59 schreef Drugshond het volgende:

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    Weet je zeker dat het uit Nigeria komt en niet uit Washington zelf?
      woensdag 24 september 2008 @ 13:37:11 #300
    78918 SeLang
    Black swans matter
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    Op woensdag 24 september 2008 12:58 schreef Drugshond het volgende:

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    Alleen met een goeie regeling.... en reken maar dat hij die heeft afgedwongen (low-risk... max rendement).
    Buffett heeft GS een poot uitgerukt!
    Uitstekende deal voor hem.

    Er zijn mensen die dit weer zien als bewijs dat de bodem is bereikt, maar laat het even duidelijk zijn dat Buffett hier geen rotzooi koopt want GS is bepaald geen slechte bank. En dan heeft hij ook nog eens een enorm goede deal. Een geval van 'cherry picking' van een goede deal voor een goede bank tussen heel erg veel rotzooi. Buffett vist hier even de lekkere krenten uit de pap.
    "If you want to make God laugh, tell him about your plans"
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