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Aha, thanxquote:Op maandag 11 februari 2008 16:25 schreef kabouterjong het volgende:
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Nee, als de Twitty's met vrienden en PVDS bij de Wyndham gaan kijken (joran zat daar in een tournament) zegt één van de medewerksters dat ze de foto van Natalee herkend als iemand die samen met een lange jongen daar 'smiddags zou zijn geweest. Dat is volgens mij 31/05/2005... Maar er zijn verder geen meldingen meer over, dus kon e.e.a. niet bevestigd worden, denk ik...
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foto dus.... hoewel in het verslag staat "camera van het Wyndham"
Ik ben niet labiel. Ik ben emotioneel flexibel.
Yes indeed the Excelsior Casino in the Holliday Innquote:Op maandag 11 februari 2008 16:32 schreef Atreidez het volgende:
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This statement is about May 31, when the family arrived and met Deepak and Joran at the VDS home. The casino they are talking about is the security tape of Natalee and Joran playing blackjack on the same table. This is to my knowledge not the Wyndham Casino but the HI Casino.
Joran did play in Wyndham on Monday though. Could be a mixup.
I know this statement is about May 31, but I read it differently, my bad.
Ik ben niet labiel. Ik ben emotioneel flexibel.
Give me a minute...quote:Op maandag 11 februari 2008 17:02 schreef Harajuku. het volgende:
Ik word een beetje moe van die meningen die als feiten gebracht worden.
Ik ben niet labiel. Ik ben emotioneel flexibel.
Jij denkt dat het voeren van een discussie op een forum tot doel heeft de publieke opinie te beinvloeden?quote:Op maandag 11 februari 2008 13:16 schreef BwennieBren het volgende:
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Laat ik dat nou zien gebeuren hier
Ok...
Waarom moet er steeds geprobeerd worden de discussie af te leiden van het onderwerp naar naastliggende dingen als bijvoorbeeld de discussievoerders zelf? Het is zooo vermoeiend. Ga je dan uitleven in R&P ofzo. Daar is misschien wel iemand die op je projecties zit te wachten. Mijn hemel, wat een gepijpzeik zeg.
Ach comeon zeg, jij weet best wel waarom ik dat stukje gequote hebt van jou. Ik leid de discussie in het geheel niet af van het onderwerp, sommige verhalen hier daarentegen wel en die zijn veel te ver gezocht. En ik ben blijbaar niet de enige die er zo over denkt. Ik ga alleen uit van de verklaringen die bekend zijn en niet van aannames, laten we wel zijn.quote:Op maandag 11 februari 2008 18:55 schreef NorthernStar het volgende:
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Jij denkt dat het voeren van een discussie op een forum tot doel heeft de publieke opinie te beinvloeden?
Ok...
Waarom moet er steeds geprobeerd worden de discussie af te leiden van het onderwerp naar naastliggende dingen als bijvoorbeeld de discussievoerders zelf? Het is zooo vermoeiend. Ga je dan uitleven in R&P ofzo. Daar is misschien wel iemand die op je projecties zit te wachten. Mijn hemel, wat een gepijpzeik zeg.
En in R&P kom ik nooit en pijpzeiken is lekker.
Well this an example...quote:Op maandag 11 februari 2008 12:24 schreef -jos- het volgende:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ko3XpZOBod0&feature=related
This video is from 30 nov 2006 where Beth says Joran had confessed to interrogators that he raped Natalee? Is this true?
Rape is not a crime within the Dutch Government?
Do not travel to Aruba or the Dutch territories?
Was that necessary to say?
So:
1. There is a porno tape from the Kalpoe brother with a 14-year old girl? Where is that tape and who'd seen it?
In one of the statements of Deepak/Kalpoe it is stated that during the ride on May 30th, 2005 with Natalee they played a porno tape in the car??
2. Beth stated she had seen 5 statements from Joran.
Actually there are 7:
On June 6, 2005
On June 10, 2005
On June 13, 2005
On June 14, 2005
On June 18, 2005 (2 statements)
On June 24, 2005
That being said, so according to the dissapeared statements (so I've read)
3. Joran is heaving sex with Natalee (in his home?) See my post above of statement of Joran dated 14 june 2005, that they went to his home)
Here is a statement of Joran, dated June 14, 2005 (page 3) saying: "wij hadden droog sex met elkaar gedaan. Ik lag op het zand en zij kwam op mij zitten en zij deed net alsof wij sex aan het doen waren", {Transl: We had dry sex with each other. I was lying on the sand she she was sitting on me and pretended like we were having sex.)
3. Natalee went in and out consiousness
Statement Joran dated June 9, 2005 (page 11): "Driving past the front of the Marriot Hotel Natalee half fell asleep/half dozed off. After that she startled awake* and I asked her if she was OK."
Statement Joran dated June 14, 2005 (page 14): "Natalee was still asleep"
and in earlier statements of also Deepak and Satish Natalee fell asleep in the car when they arrived at the lighthouse (the statements where all of them lied that the dropped Natalee off at the Holiday Inn)
Deepak statement dated June 9, 2005 (page 7)
Satish statement dated June 11, 2005 (page 7)
Deepak statement dated June 29, 2005 (page 3)
According to :
See: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159252,00.htmlquote:You know, we were told the report would come out the next day. Later that night, we saw the reports that confessions had been made, that something bad had happened. Shortly thereafter, it was retracted. The next morning, there was a report that said Natalee was confirmed dead. And these reports came from the deputy commissioner. They came from the spokesperson from the Ministry of Justice.
And then, all of a sudden, these statements and these confessions just disappeared.
Here is a statement of Deepak dated 11 june 2005 (last page):
"I think he raped her and is afraid to say so".
Here is a statement of Joran dated June 13, 2005 saying Natalee was raped by Deepak and did something to Natalee
So in other words, from every statement you can make up a story...
Ook aannemelijk toch?
Ja? Nee?
Nou, zoiets dus...
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Ik ben niet labiel. Ik ben emotioneel flexibel.
yes! slip of the tongue or something else...?quote:Op maandag 11 februari 2008 17:30 schreef Atreidez het volgende:
Was just watching pieces of tape again and saw the following. Joran mentioned in the car tapes that he only knew/has been with Natalee for 2 days, then correcting himself by saying "oh 1 day, I met her that day". This actually gives the idea that he was not yet finished disposing her on the first night and he got busy with it again the day after? Bah, sometimes I wished it would be just a scary movie and soon we will see the end of it
2 days or a few hours makes a big difference.
this is whole thing is such a nasty trainwreck
i can't help but think it's a massive house of cards with proportions beyond believe.
Joran is just one of the cards supporting the structure...
Dostojewski: "Je kunt je niet van je eigen gezond verstand overtuigen door je buurman op te sluiten."
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Was just watching pieces of tape again and saw the following. Joran mentioned in the car tapes that he only knew/has been with Natalee for 2 days, then correcting himself by saying "oh 1 day, I met her that day". This actually gives the idea that he was not yet finished disposing her on the first night and he got busy with it again the day after? Bah, sometimes I wished it would be just a scary movie and soon we will
see the end of it
That very well could be true. As I said before when Natalee's Family arrived at the VDS house,Deepaks car was gone but was spotted just shortly before in the sloot property. PVDS came out of the house after 10 minutes of sirens and honking with a cell phone already in hand. PVDS called Anita's phone which Joran was using and he said he was playing poker at the Wyndham I believe. They all drove to the casino and he wasn't there. PVDS talked to him again and him and Deepak were waiting at the VDS house. Later the Family found out he was never at that Casino and he never played tennis,koen lied about that. The boys were dirty and sweaty and did not look like they were in a casino at all. What were they doing?
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This website does a decent job of theorizing what happened the next day,PVDS going to the bank,Joran playing tennis and at the Wyndham. None of those events happened I do not think.
IN THE FACE OF EVIL
What was going on between 7:00 pm and 8:30 pm?
We believe this is when Paulus and Joran took Miss Holloway's remains out to sea on the Gottenbos boat. Here Joran sets himself up to be highly visible that night after 8:00 pm .
Part 3 detailed the most likely movements of Paulus van der Sloot during this time, and here now are Joran's activities for this timeframe.
JORAN SAYS TENNIS LESSON ENDED AT 7:00, HE SHOWERED AND THEN CALLED ANDRE ANDRE AGREES TO MEET HIM AT 8:00 AT THE WYNDHAM
Approximately 19.00 pm, I was ready with playing tennis. I showered in the clubhouse. After I had finised showering I got dressed. Then I called "Andre". We had agreed that we would meet at the Wyndham Hotel at approximately 20.00 pm to play poker.
JVDS 6-14
JORAN SAYS HE ALSO CALLS GUIDO AND ASKS HIM TO GO TO THE WYNDHAM GUIDO DECLINES SAYING HE HAS TO WORK, BUT MIGHT COME LATER
Approximately 19.00 pm, I was ready with playing tennis. I had then also called Guido. Guido had told me that he had to go to work. He would come later and try to enter the tournament for half time
JVDS 6-14
According to Paulus, this conversation took place in person, not over the phone. What then was the true nature of this phone call from Joran to Paulus at around 7:00 pm?
Giving confirmation that the boat was at the launch and ready to go?
JORAN SAYS HE THEN CALLED PAULUS TO ASK PERMISSION TO GO TO THE WYNDHAM TO GAMBLE
Approximately 19.00 pm, I was ready with playing tennis. I showered in the clubhouse. After I had finised showering I got dressed. I had also called my father and asked if I could play poker at the Wyndham Casino. My father gave me permission.
JVDS 6-14
Then we have Joran claiming to have been bouncing from one casino to the next for the hour of 7:00 - 8:00 pm
http://nataleesfreebirds.(...)-may-30-2005_19.html
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This is interesting reading and if you hear Juniors accounts he says he saw PVDS and the boys dumping Natalees body at the Landfill. A lot of suspicious activity took place there and continious attempts were made on impeding the efforts of the searchers. Eventually they made them get a permit to search,blamed a fire on them and then filled all the holes up ending weeks of work in that hell hole.
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ON THE MORNING OF MAY 30, 2005 ... A DECEASED NATALEE IS PLACED IN A WHITE PICKUP.
Jossy Mansur
NANCY GRACE
July 29, 2005
GRACE: OK. Jossy, is there any way to tie in a white pick-up to this scenario?
MANSUR: Yes, ma`am, because there`s another witness that, before that, told someone that works at the hotels that he saw a white pick-up over there by the Holiday Inn, in which three persons were also in, all of them male, carrying what looked like the body of a girl, putting it in the back of the white pick-up and driving away with it.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/29/ng.01.html
ON THE MORNING OF MAY 30, 2005 ... THERE IS A RUMORED 6:30 AM CALL FROM ONE OF THE SUSPECTS CELL IN THE SANTA LUCIA AREA OF THE ISLAND AND ... JORAN IS ALLEGEDLY PICKED UP BY THE SCHOOL BUS NEAR THE HOME OF LORENZO VAN RIJN.
Thursday, June 16, 2005 at 04:53 AM in Natalee Holloway | Permalink | Comments (270) | TrackBack (2)
On Natalee's Yahoo forum there there is a report that a helicopter is searching Santa Lucia area because according to the cell phone records of one of the three suspects there was a call in the Santa Lucia area at 6:30 am the morning Natalee was to have met up with the group to leave for airport.
http://www.riehlworldview(...)rvative/2005/week24/
Greta Van Susteren
On the Record w/ Greta
July 3, 2005
SUSTEREN: .... I am also curious whether Paul van der Sloot used his phone between midnight and 7 a.m. on May 30. He told me no... he told the Dutch TV correspondent on camera no... but after the interview with the Dutch TV correspondent, he pulled him aside and said maybe he did make a call and that he was not sure.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,161474,00.html
Dave Holloway
Question and Answer Chat - BFN
January 23, 2006
14. Why was the school bus driver called the next morning and told to pick up Joran at Lorenzo's house?
DAVE: Joran was allegedly dropped off at a bus stop on the main highway. The bus driver had not made it there yet and saved Paulus about 30 minutes. Lorenzo's house was nearby.
http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=2256.0
ON JUNE 1, 2005 ... NATALEE'S REMAINS ARE OBSERVED BY JUNIOR BEING TAKEN FROM A WHITE PICKUP AND PLACED IN THE LANDFILL.
Jossy Mansur
NANCY GRACE
July 29, 2005
MANSUR: … But it`s very important to note that the witness on the beach by the Holiday Inn has absolutely no knowledge of the witness over there to the east side of the island by the landfill or dump. They don't know each other, but still they give the same description of the same white pick-up.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/29/ng.01.html
Susan Candiotti - Cnn Correspondent
NANCY GRACE
July 29, 2005
CANDIOTTI:his same witness claims to have told police that he saw a vehicle and was able to provide a tag number to police. I am told that this is a registered car in Aruba, but I can`t tell you more than that.
JUNIOR CONVEYS HIS OBSERVATION TO HIS BROTHER WHO ... ON JUNE 3, 2005 ... CONVEYS THE ACCOUNT TO THE ARUBAN AUTHORITIES.
Tim Miller
CBS NEWS
July 30, 2005
The witness told his brother what he saw soon afterward, and the brother told police, he said.
http://www.cbsnews.com/st(...)?source=search_story
Edwin Comenencia
Associated Press
August 1, 2005
Police spokesman Edwin Comenencia said police searched the landfill after receiving the tip days after Holloway's disappearance May 30th, but found nothing.
http://www.wtvynews4.com/home/headlines/1756907.html
COULD JUNIOR'S OBSERVATION IMPLIES THAT THE "POWERS THAT BE" IN THE COVERUP REMOVED NATALEE'S REMAINS FROM THE LANDFILL AND ... SHE WAS BURIED OR ... TAKEN OUT TO SEA OR ... BOTH.
Tim Miller
RED - SCARED MONKEYS
July 24, 2005
RED: There have been reports that a shallow grave was discovered in the area of Boca Tortuga, on the eastern part of the island. There are also reports that cell-phone calls made by Joran earlyin the morning came from a location on the eastern side of the island. It seems plausible that thisarea could yield more clues
TIM MILLER: We found a site that we feel as though was a possible gravesite. Our thoughts are that Natalee may have been buried in that hole for 1 or 2 days then moved. We have information that the cell phones were possibly being used in that area
http://scaredmonkeys.com/(...)ller-july-24th-2005/
Dave Holloway
NANCY GRACE
April 24, 2006
GRACE: Well, Dave Holloway, aren`t there logs and isn`t there surveillance in place in Aruba of all the ships that go out of the tiny island, even at night?
HOLLOWAY: Well, there is but on one of those nights, I think it was June the 7th or June the 8th, the electricity went out on the island for about two hours so you wonder if that would have been the prime opportunity to do it. Small boats, I don`t think, can be picked up as well as the big ones.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/24/ng.01.html
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"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
Grapefield Beach where the Bloody Mattress was found is on the very southern part of the island not to far from the VCB Shirt and other items found the next day on June 6th 2005. "Another search took place near Weg Fontein Rd. Here Volunteers,Police and Warda Nos Costa members started searching intensely after police received a suspicious phone call. According to officials,an anxious sounding person told them to focus on the area of Weg Fontein"
After talking with Aruban authorities, Tacopina says his investigators believe the suspect, identified only as "G-V-C," was picked up because of a T-shirt with "relevant forensic information."
Items found were a VCB security shirt with blood on it,styraphone with teeth marks,sunglasses and a lysol bottle with suspicious substance in it. Joran's American Attorney has said several times that the shirt has forensic evidence on it that is part of Natalee's case.
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This Video talks about a bloody Mattress found on June 5th 2005 and sandles were found with it. Even more suspicious,because we know Joran killed his own Dog and Lorenzo was rumored to kill dogs as well. Did this Mattress have anything to do with Natalee? DId someone slaughter a dog to cover forensic evidence already on the Mattress?
(Click to see Video)
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Did Deepak slip in his statement about Joran's Mattress?
Deepak Kalpoe
Suspect Statement
June 13, 2005
The police officers drove from the Holiday Inn to Joran's house. The police had dropped us off at Joran's house.
We then went to Joran's room because Joran's dad wanted to talk to us so we sat down on the floor, because Joran's mattresses were on the floor in his room.
It was already about 06:10 hours, and I said that it really is late and that I had to go home. I got up and walked to the door.
I said my goodbyes and drove home. I went with my car and drove home via the road leading through Paradera. At approximately 06:45 hours, I got home.
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June 4th 2005 AM Digital reports after Interrogating the three young men that were last with Natalee,The Three Young Men declared that they took Natalee to that area,had sex with her and then dropped her off at the HI.
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After talking with Aruban authorities, Tacopina says his investigators believe the suspect, identified only as "G-V-C," was picked up because of a T-shirt with "relevant forensic information."
Items found were a VCB security shirt with blood on it,styraphone with teeth marks,sunglasses and a lysol bottle with suspicious substance in it. Joran's American Attorney has said several times that the shirt has forensic evidence on it that is part of Natalee's case.
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This Video talks about a bloody Mattress found on June 5th 2005 and sandles were found with it. Even more suspicious,because we know Joran killed his own Dog and Lorenzo was rumored to kill dogs as well. Did this Mattress have anything to do with Natalee? DId someone slaughter a dog to cover forensic evidence already on the Mattress?
(Click to see Video)
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Did Deepak slip in his statement about Joran's Mattress?
Deepak Kalpoe
Suspect Statement
June 13, 2005
The police officers drove from the Holiday Inn to Joran's house. The police had dropped us off at Joran's house.
We then went to Joran's room because Joran's dad wanted to talk to us so we sat down on the floor, because Joran's mattresses were on the floor in his room.
It was already about 06:10 hours, and I said that it really is late and that I had to go home. I got up and walked to the door.
I said my goodbyes and drove home. I went with my car and drove home via the road leading through Paradera. At approximately 06:45 hours, I got home.
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June 4th 2005 AM Digital reports after Interrogating the three young men that were last with Natalee,The Three Young Men declared that they took Natalee to that area,had sex with her and then dropped her off at the HI.
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"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
I just love when hypocrits come here and add nothing but wrong information and attack good people trying to help a country,a murdered girl and victims. Talk about the need for getting a life!!quote:Op maandag 11 februari 2008 22:08 schreef Nielsch het volgende:
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"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
I watched the interview with David Kock who was then Satish's attorney early in the case on TV and he clearly said they made a stop at another Bar after C&C. Deepak ran in briefly and then they left. Why are they keeping this out of the timeline,PV'S and series of events? What are they trying to hide if this is irrelevant? Did they stop at Choose-A-Name Bar..If they did,does it have anything to do with Pitbull who was murdered and then the bar he worked at burned down?
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"They said they left the bar around 1:30 a.m. with van der Sloot and an intoxicated Holloway in the back seat, then stopped briefly at another restaurant about a block away before heading out of town", Kock said.
http://tinyurl.com/2tbgfz (June 9th)
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"They said they left the bar around 1:30 a.m. with van der Sloot and an intoxicated Holloway in the back seat, then stopped briefly at another restaurant about a block away before heading out of town", Kock said.
http://tinyurl.com/2tbgfz (June 9th)
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"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
they are trying to hide because Deepak came in to buy some GHB and everybody knows it and then Deepak said to Natalee here sniff some GHB very nice and then Natalee said no I just had cocaine those two don't mix and last but not least I've epilepsy so I'm gonna freak out you know, so Joran said shut up bitch, sniff! but Natalee didn't want to and then all of a sudden she freaked out, she shaked so much everyone was freakin' out and then she dropped dead and then they said to each other 'what now?' and then Joran said let's rape her and Deepak said yeah good idea, so they raped her, and then Joran said I know some people here, some higher forces you know, so they left Natalee on the beach while the higher forces came with a boat and went to Venezuela and the higher forces turned Natalee into a donkey so that no one nows the bones of the donkey were in fact those of Natalee and then Joran and Deepak and Satish went to the place where they bought GHB and they punished Pitbull for the bad quality of the drugs so they killed Pitbull and burned the place down and then the great forces came with the elephant with the big snout and blew the story out.quote:Op maandag 11 februari 2008 23:29 schreef observer777 het volgende:
I watched the interview with David Kock who was then Satish's attorney early in the case on TV and he clearly said they made a stop at another Bar after C&C. Deepak ran in briefly and then they left. Why are they keeping this out of the timeline,PV'S and series of events? What are they trying to hide if this is irrelevant? Did they stop at Choose-A-Name Bar..If they did,does it have anything to do with Pitbull who was murdered and then the bar he worked at burned down?
Interesting video just minutes ago from John Q Kelly (Holloway Attorney)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94X3TaqaXWo
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Geraldo 2/10/08 Beth and Peter
Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=178zR_ul7Yw
Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OaIMz5Oz9E
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94X3TaqaXWo
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Geraldo 2/10/08 Beth and Peter
Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=178zR_ul7Yw
Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OaIMz5Oz9E
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"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
Yeah, this story with Pitbull was a strange thing... They found wih with his legs cut off, but it was decided that he committed suicide...quote:Op maandag 11 februari 2008 23:29 schreef observer777 het volgende:
I watched the interview with David Kock who was then Satish's attorney early in the case on TV and he clearly said they made a stop at another Bar after C&C. Deepak ran in briefly and then they left. Why are they keeping this out of the timeline,PV'S and series of events? What are they trying to hide if this is irrelevant? Did they stop at Choose-A-Name Bar..If they did,does it have anything to do with Pitbull who was murdered and then the bar he worked at burned down?
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"They said they left the bar around 1:30 a.m. with van der Sloot and an intoxicated Holloway in the back seat, then stopped briefly at another restaurant about a block away before heading out of town", Kock said.
http://tinyurl.com/2tbgfz (June 9th)
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And then the bar was set in flames... It could be a total coincidence, but somehow i feel it's related. Just as strange is the fact that the woman who helped PVDS at his bank died shortly thereafter. It gets crazier and crazier the more you read about it.
http://arubanboycott.blog(...)urdered-bouncer.htmlquote:SURRIE said...
dineSH
djOeGAN
SHANGO
CHOOSE-A-NAME-BAR
TATTOOS
SHANGO HAS NOT DANCED WITH THE LIONS, NOR ARAWAKS, AND DOES NOT KEEP THEIR COMPANY.
SHANGO LOOKS FROM AFAR BUT SPEAKS WITH TRUTH. HE DOES NOT CONVERSE WITH THE SIMIAN, OR ANY OTHER WORLDLY SOURCES, AND ATTEMPTS TO BRING DIRECTION TO SPECULATION.
THIS IS WHAT SURRIE BELIEVES.
MAY 7, 2006
BLESS Dinesh Djoegan's family. My sincerest sympathies to your family.
May he have not died in vain. He was just getting ready to tell the Americans who is responsible for Natalee and what has happened to her and where her family can find her. But the Arubian Goverment/CARTEL sent Americans sent us a message through this horrible event. This soul was mutilated, tortured, like an animal, worse than an animal and the Arubian Government wishes to tell Americans that there is no crime on the island.
Yet, bodies keep stacking up and then, POOF, dissapearing.
Again, my deepest sympathies to the Djoegan family.
May 7, 2006
Sun May 07, 06:36:00 PM EDT
The address doesn't really allow for any decent reactions being posted there, but quoted reaction about this guy is very disturbing. I red some of those Shango things, but mainly out of context since I didn't read them at the time they were posted, but from what ive heard he was very well informed. Could it be that this bouncer was idd Shango?
Where facts are few, experts are many.
Yes,and Also Rene Van Heyningen who worked for Valero Refinery(Rumored to run the Incinerater) and Part time at the Hospital Incinerater. His Murder is almost as supicious as Pitbulls. Both Famalies complained to the newspapers,arrests were made and it became even more suspicious after that for many reasons. In Rene's case they arrested and convicted his GF who said she didn't do it and that it was two men. The timeline of events of questioning in Natalee's case is very interesting leading up to finding his almost decapitated body on June 18th 2005. Just a day or two before the Gottenbo's were questioned,Lorenzo Van Rijn,Steve Croes and Max Arendsz(Provided Alibi for LVR)quote:Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 00:17 schreef kabouterjong het volgende:
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Yeah, this story with Pitbull was a strange thing... They found wih with his legs cut off, but it was decided that he committed suicide...
(Bank employee who met with PVDS on June 30th 2005)He mentions her in his PV
Ruth Gisela Dijkhoff-Holtmann
17 May 1955 - 18 Jun 2005
http://www.mementomori.net/05148.html
Rene Van Heyningen
12 Jan 1973- 18 jun 2005
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10/14/05
Victim’s family is none too happy
“While they can’t even resolve the case of Natalee Holloway…what is of a poor dark skinned San Nicolas born Arubian?” This is the reaction of the family of the deceased, Rene van Heinegin, which they indicated to DIARIO in a telephone interview from St. Maarten.
http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2005_10_09_archive.html
More on Rene Van Heyningen
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2481.msg322067#msg322067
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Relatieproblemen gingen aan moord vooraf
ORANJESTAD — Aan de dood van René van Heyningen, in de nacht van donderdag 16 op vrijdag 17 juni 2005, gingen relatieproblemen vooraf. De man zou gewelddadig zijn en de vrouw jaloers. De rechter doet vrijdag uitspraak en dan zal duidelijk zijn of de vrouw Y.C.H. een slachtoffer was dat in een roes van angst handelde, of met voorbedachten rade een moord heeft gepleegd.
Het stel zou die donderdagavond samen gaan stappen, maar Van Heyningen ging in zijn eentje weg. C.H. was teleurgesteld en dacht na over hun relatie. Ze dronk daarbij een fles wijn. Volgens C.H. kwam haar vriend rond vier uur ’s nachts thuis en kregen ze ruzie. Van Heyningen zou een machete hebben gepakt en haar gedreigd hebben te doden als ze zich met zijn leven zou blijven bemoeien. Daarna ging hij slapen.
Rond half zes ’s morgens pakte C.H. het kapmes en stak in zijn hals. De man werd hiervan wakker, maar was niet meer in staat om geluid uit te brengen. Hij kwam uit bed en probeerde weg te lopen. C.H. bleef echter op hem inhakken, tot hij in de keuken neerviel en niet meer reageerde.
C.H. zag dat Van Heyningen dood was en sleepte zijn lichaam naar de slaapkamer van hun nog geen jaar oude dochtertje. Dit meisje sliep op dat moment in de ouderslaapkamer. Daarna hing ze een laken voor het raam, zodat er van buitenaf niets zichtbaar zou zijn. Ze maakte haar dochtertje wakker, bracht haar naar de oppas en ging naar haar werk. Ze belde verschillende mensen om te vragen of zij wisten waar haar vriend was, omdat hij die nacht niet zou zijn thuisgekomen.
Toen C.H. in de loop van de ochtend weer thuiskwam, wikkelde ze naar eigen zeggen het lijk in een laken, legde het in zijn pick-up en bracht het naar begraafplaats te Sabana Basora. De politie ontdekte het lichaam een dag later. Op dat moment werd C.H. niet als verdachte beschouwd. Pas toen agenten in de woning van C.H. in een plas bloed een voetafdruk aantroffen die van C.H. bleek te zijn, werd ze verdachte. Op 24 juni legde de vrouw een bekentenis af.
MACHETE
De officier van justitie zette vraagtekens bij het in huis hebben van een pasgeslepen machete. Volgens C.H. gebruikten ze het mes om de tuin te kappen. “Welke tuin? Op de foto’s die van het huis en de omgeving zijn gemaakt, zie ik geen tuin en ook niets om te kappen.” C.H. zei dat haar vriend haar had gevraagd de machete te laten slijpen om in de tuin mee te werken. Ze bracht de machete op 9 juni naar een slijper en haalde het mes op 15 juni weer op.
Op de kwitantie stond de voornaam van C.H., maar een compleet andere achternaam. C.H. gaf aan dat ze alleen haar voornaam had opgeschreven en de slijper de achternaam noteerde. Toen ze echter goed naar het handschrift keek, erkende ze dat ze het zelf had opgeschreven. “Het was erg druk bij de slijper en ik denk dat ik daardoor een fout heb gemaakt. Maar ik begrijp niet hoe dat kan.”
Op de vraag van de rechter waarom C.H. haar vriend had omgebracht, reageerde ze huilend. “In mijn hoofd klikte iets, ik had een black-out. Die nacht kwam een duivel in mij.” Ze vertelde over hun jarenlange relatie. “Niets was goed voor hem. Ik moest alles voor hem doen, hij deed niets voor mij. Tijdens mijn zwangerschap was hij er niet voor me en hij kwam niet opdagen bij de doop van onze dochter. Jarenlang deed hij me emotioneel pijn. Toch houd ik nog van hem. Het doet pijn dat hij er niet meer is.”
HULP
Bij de reconstructie op de begraafplaats van Sabana Basora bleek dat het zware lijk niet door één persoon over de omheining getild had kunnen worden. De Technische Recherche heeft geen sleepsporen gevonden en geen geknakte takken. C.H. zei dat ze dat toch echt had gedaan. “Ik had onverklaarbare kracht in me.”
Volgens het psychiatrisch onderzoek was de vrouw op het moment van de steekpartij volledig toerekeningsvatbaar, is er geen kans op herhaling en vormt ze geen gevaar voor de maatschappij.
Het OM schetst C.H. als een vrouw die heftig reageerde als haar vriend niet deed wat ze wilde en jaloers was omdat Van Heyningen er meerdere vriendinnen op na hield. Dat C.H. de dag na het ombrengen van haar vriend gewoon ging werken en mensen belde om te vragen waar hij was, vond de officier van justitie een toneelstuk. “Het ging dus om een doelbewuste daad.” De officier van justitie was ook van mening dat C.H. liegt dat ze het in haar eentje heeft gedaan.
De advocaat van C. vond de bewijslast niet sluitend. Uit de lijkschouwing bleek bijvoorbeeld dat er vermoedelijk meerdere wapens zijn gebruikt. “Wat zou het tweede wapen dan zijn geweest?”, vroeg de advocaat zich af.
Ze ging ook in op de machete. “In elke tuin groeit yerba en een machete is niet ongewoon om dit gras mee weg te halen.” De dag na het ombrengen van Van Heyningen beschouwt de advocaat als een dag van ontkenning. Volgens haar is pijn het motief voor deze daad. “Veel vrouwen gaan jarenlang gebukt onder een gewelddadige relatie, maar houden zoveel van hun partner dat ze de relatie niet kunnen verbreken. Hier is inderdaad sprake van een crime passionnel: een daad als gevolg van psychische overmacht.” (Amigoe)
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Dutch posters discussing the events after Lorenzo Van Rijn,Steve Croes and Max Arendsz were questioned
Op zondag 19 juni 2005 19:33 schreef milagro het volgende:
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Ms is het wel raar, ja.
Die zoon heeft dacht ik een soort van eigen appartementje, aan zijn ouderlijk huis, eigen opgang dus ook neem ik aan, dus ik neem wederom aan, dat zoonlief kan komen en gaan zonder dat Pa en Ma in de gaten hebben hoe of wat en met wie etc.
Zoonlief heeft om 06.30 die morgen gebeld met de 5e verdachte, dat is dus onlangs pas gebleken, daarom is die 5e man nu ook verdachte,.
mss willen ze daarom nu pas weten van Pa of hij iets gemerkt heeft die morgen van af en aan rijden van derden, of zo
Vermist meisje op Aruba #2
[ Bericht 0% gewijzigd door observer777 op 12-02-2008 00:47:43 ]
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
I am not a expert on Shango and Simian and have avoided these discussions for facts,but it is speculated that could have been him or even Charles Croes. Many believe Simian was ALE. Some posters at SM have discussed these two at great lengths.quote:Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 00:32 schreef Atreidez het volgende:
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http://arubanboycott.blog(...)urdered-bouncer.html
The address doesn't really allow for any decent reactions being posted there, but quoted reaction about this guy is very disturbing. I red some of those Shango things, but mainly out of context since I didn't read them at the time they were posted, but from what ive heard he was very well informed. Could it be that this bouncer was idd Shango?
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1952.0
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
Its 2008 what has so far been result of your help?quote:Op maandag 11 februari 2008 22:49 schreef observer777 het volgende:
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I just love when hypocrits come here and add nothing but wrong information and attack good people trying to help a country,a murdered girl and victims. Talk about the need for getting a life!!
“I'm in trouble because I'm normal and slightly arrogant. A lot of people don't like themselves and I happen to be totally in love with myself.”
I have done everything I can from the very beginning to help solve this case and support Natalee and her Family. I am not a paid researcher or FBI,ALE or KLPD,Just a blogger like all of you trying my very best to help. The results are none of your business,but I see almost 5,000 hits on this thread which I provided years of research from many people that was painstakingly put together through much research. The Dutch people that read my posts here learned the real facts about this case all in just a short time. What have you done to help?quote:Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 00:59 schreef -MyLove- het volgende:
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Its 2008 what has so far been result of your help?
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
So you have nothing except that some people saw your thread? So in the end you did it all for the attention?quote:Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 01:15 schreef observer777 het volgende:
The results are none of your business,but I see almost 5,000 hits on this thread which I provided years of research from many people that was painstakingly put together through much research. The Dutch people that read my posts here learned the real facts about this case all in just a short time. What have you done to help?
“I'm in trouble because I'm normal and slightly arrogant. A lot of people don't like themselves and I happen to be totally in love with myself.”
Holy hell that is disgusting that I get attacked for telling people the facts from thousands of hours of research and doing it out of complete kindness and love for this girl and her Family,on my own time and my own dime. When disgusting people like yourself lie and spread wrong information about a murdered girl and her Family. The truth hurts doesnt it? Well at least you are getting paid or are friends of the perps,now go back where you came from and tell your friends they are going down!!!!quote:Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 01:19 schreef -MyLove- het volgende:
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So you have nothing except that some people saw your thread? So in the end you did it all for the attention?
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
Everything I wrote here is 100% on the money and has already proven to be true and fact,unless stated otherwise You lost all credibiity and holy hell it is disgusting when people come here just to derail the truth,spread lies and attack people telling the truth to people. Now that is pathetic! Get a life chump!quote:
I see the trolls are coming because we are close to the truth! Tell your friends they are going down!!!
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"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
Oh my gosh...quote:Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 01:34 schreef observer777 het volgende:
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Everything I wrote here is 100% on the money and has already proven to be true and fact,unless stated otherwise You lost all credibiity and holy hell it is disgusting when people come here just to derail the truth,spread lies and attack people telling the truth to people. Now that is pathetic! Get a life chump!
I see the trolls are coming because we are close to the truth! Tell your friends they are going down!!!
oh my gosh... Observer why so hostile? This is the I N T E R N E T, we can have our own opinions can we? I asked you in the 2nd topic to provide us with some facts. Sorry, I can hardly see any. A lot of assumptions yes, but no real facts and yes I've read all of your posts. Some of the assumptions are interesting, really...but along your way of posting on FOK you're getting more hostile and because some of us just have another opinion, you call us names? Tell us our so called friends are going down? Hilarious.
This is not Scared Monkeys you know, this is FOK and we are certaintly NOT are the Dutch Monkeys. So if you can't stand the heat, get out dear. This heat could get much worser in this matter.
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Ik ben niet labiel. Ik ben emotioneel flexibel.
Proof stands up in court, your research wich is pretty good, but nowhere is becomes proof, only possiblequote:Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 01:34 schreef observer777 het volgende:
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Everything I wrote here is 100% on the money and has already proven to be true and fact,unless stated otherwise You lost all credibiity and holy hell it is disgusting when people come here just to derail the truth,spread lies and attack people telling the truth to people. Now that is pathetic! Get a life chump!
I see the trolls are coming because we are close to the truth! Tell your friends they are going down!!!
surcumstancial (is that a word) evidence. nowhere you proof it as Fact.
Observer777 be open for critical repley's that's the path to be a good researcher. else it's not research if it's not open for PEER review.
It can only make see things in a different light.
John 8:32
Welcome Mr. President, How can we serve you,
Mensen, mensen, easy on the canadian dude..
Hij meent het goed, er staat TE veel info op SM..dat is het probleem, maar er staat zeker goede info die te gebruiken is...vergeet niet hun zijn zeker 2 jaar verder als wij qua berichtgeving...geeft je ook te denken he?
Observer 777 please go on and post your relevant info, thanks!
Hij meent het goed, er staat TE veel info op SM..dat is het probleem, maar er staat zeker goede info die te gebruiken is...vergeet niet hun zijn zeker 2 jaar verder als wij qua berichtgeving...geeft je ook te denken he?
Observer 777 please go on and post your relevant info, thanks!
I have some good questions that puzzled me and may be you have the answers:
Rudy Croes: why is he mad/ abandonning the Sloots?
Is there a 2way war on aruba between...say 1 and 2 without saying they are workers and elite..but just one is mansur and one is the rest? If so, it will explain a lot..is there any rivalty?
Rudy Croes: why is he mad/ abandonning the Sloots?
Is there a 2way war on aruba between...say 1 and 2 without saying they are workers and elite..but just one is mansur and one is the rest? If so, it will explain a lot..is there any rivalty?
information about the truth doesnt change over time. And all the info on SM is a lot of hypothetical, and assumptions.quote:Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 02:38 schreef letsgetthiscasesolved het volgende:
Mensen, mensen, easy on the canadian dude..
Hij meent het goed, er staat TE veel info op SM..dat is het probleem, maar er staat zeker goede info die te gebruiken is...vergeet niet hun zijn zeker 2 jaar verder als wij qua berichtgeving...geeft je ook te denken he?
Observer 777 please go on and post your relevant info, thanks!
The truth will not be known, for the next 15 years. (statue of limitation of murder is 18 years, i think aruba has almost the same laws as the Netherlands)
Joran told as much as he knows, he doesnt know what happend to the body.
(I assume his DAD coverd his back)
But all those people at SM talk as if there is PROOF that would stand up in court, it not! It wouldn't stand up in a US court if it would have been a beach in Florida.
I can give you 100+ muders in the US that aren't solved, but ofcourse that's not a White girl from Alabama on vacation
YES Joran was with natalee when she DIED, (His own words thinks the recording data 29 Jan 2008)
Natalee DIED, reason......ONLY speculation's. (Trembling/shakking doesnt sound like an alcohol overdose)
Then it gets intressting....Who cleared the body.....
Jorans own words, The person sends him home. and knew about his exames the next day. Friends dont provide that kind of service (he would have been asked to help himself together with that friend)
Parents however DO. well his mother was out of the country. so that leaves, his Dad.
NOW PROVE THAT. then you can sleep wel again.
Welcome Mr. President, How can we serve you,
Well, first of all you'll have to proof then that they drove to the Van der Sloot estate instead of driving to the beach, don't you?quote:Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 03:03 schreef WallOfStars het volgende:
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information about the truth doesnt change over time. And all the info on SM is a lot of hypothetical, and assumptions.
The truth will not be known, for the next 15 years. (statue of limitation of murder is 18 years, i think aruba has almost the same laws as the Netherlands)
Joran told as much as he knows, he doesnt know what happend to the body.
(I assume his DAD coverd his back)
But all those people at SM talk as if there is PROOF that would stand up in court, it not! It wouldn't stand up in a US court if it would have been a beach in Florida.
I can give you 100+ muders in the US that aren't solved, but ofcourse that's not a White girl from Alabama on vacation
YES Joran was with natalee when she DIED, (His own words thinks the recording data 29 Jan 2008)
Natalee DIED, reason......ONLY speculation's. (Trembling/shakking doesnt sound like an alcohol overdose)
Then it gets intressting....Who cleared the body.....
Jorans own words, The person sends him home. and knew about his exames the next day. Friends dont provide that kind of service (he would have been asked to help himself together with that friend)
Parents however DO. well his mother was out of the country. so that leaves, his Dad.
NOW PROVE THAT. then you can sleep wel again.
I´m back.
Well see, those are good questions...but don't get too hard on observer777 he has seen it all in 2 + years..may be he says, just all go to ... and find the info yourself..the things they digged up the last years..i'm convident that it's more than Hans Mos has..because they wrecked all the info when he started, yes, from scratch with nothing, was probably all shredded..that's why they have 2+ more info on us
Why what would that prove....that his dad met natalee?? (he did that in a casino hours earlier. there video proof and multiple parties state that, even Joran and his dad do)quote:Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 03:09 schreef Ryan3 het volgende:
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Well, first of all you'll have to proof then that they drove to the Van der Sloot estate instead of driving to the beach, don't you?
Welcome Mr. President, How can we serve you,
Btw Peter R de Vries'll disagree on observer777's theory. As I understood, he thinks that they drove to the beach, that Natalee died there under mysterious circumstances, not necessarily due to anything Joran did, or slipped in the bacardi 151 earlier, that Joran thereupon phoned a friend and that the friend disposed of the body. Peter R de Vries don't think that they necessarily slipped something in her bacardi 151, that they drove to Joran's den, that he and de Kalpoe brothers violently raped her, that she awakened during this rape and that they then killed her, on which she suffered a major blow on her head and that subsequently Paul van der Sloot disposed of her body. That's not - and perhaps I'm wrong - what Peter R believes.
I´m back.
Ok and after that whats the timeplan casino..off..natalee out/in out/ fight?or some talk with students..off..and then..Sloots?( 1:30)
No, that's the first stepstone of observers777's theory. If you can proof that, then the rest of it might follow.quote:Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 03:17 schreef WallOfStars het volgende:
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Why what would that prove....that his dad met natalee?? (he did that in a casino hours earlier. there video proof and multiple parties state that, even Joran and his dad do)
I´m back.
So far as we are Ryan3 is right, we simply don't know more than what ryan3 has just stated and that's what Joran has confessed...is there something where it gives duplicates..as in somebody claimed that at an interogation or..
Sure,I was just called pathetic and doing all this for attention and have done nothing,how did you expect me to respond? All this from a few who are just here for diversions and to spend there time attacking people and derailing the thread and the truth. I noticed you said nothing to them but included yourself as one of them. Since you read all my posts and it's so easy to discredit them and they are mostly assumptions name one thing I was wrong about? I already told you I don't have this on Video or a smoking gun,If I did this case would be solved and none of us would be here.Like your first post stated,you swallowed the dis-information story hook like and sinker and I have no clue why you are attacking the truth of 2.5 years of research,unless you have other motives. If you don't want to learn the truth then don't listen! Maybe you should go back to RU because apparently that is where you are getting your information. I expected that here in this Forum but I already know there is plenty of people here that want to know the truth and appreciate the research that has been done since May 30th 2005. It's a shame that you are confusing opinions with trolls,who won't stop attacking me until I leave this forum. All so people here at FOK don't hear the truth as we know it.quote:Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 01:56 schreef BwennieBren het volgende:
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Oh my gosh...
Observer why so hostile? This is the I N T E R N E T, we can have our own opinions can we? I asked you in the 2nd topic to provide us with some facts. Sorry, I can hardly see any. A lot of assumptions yes, but no real facts and yes I've read all of your posts. Some of the assumptions are interesting, really...but along your way of posting on FOK you're getting more hostile and because some of us just have another opinion, you call us names? Tell us our so called friends are going down? Hilarious.
This is not Scared Monkeys you know, this is FOK and we are certaintly NOT are the Dutch Monkeys. So if you can't stand the heat, get out dear. This heat could get much worser in this matter.
I had people here saying that it was BS that it was reported there was blood in the car,I posted a enormous amount of links. I did the same thing with Jorans confession and many other topics. Did I have a video of Joran confessing in June 2005? Did I claim to have one? No,I simply stated it was reported all over the American Media which I provided the links as the first hand account from the Diario reporter who witnessed it. Some like the Cover up,I posted relevent information but there is tons more as it has happened since the first day and is a enormous amount of info.! We have been on to the trolls,dis-information team,paid plants,friends of the perps and the weird internet people since the very beginning. They didn't stop me then and they certainly wont stop me now from trying to learn the full truth. I hope that the people just starting to learn about this case are aware of them because opinion is one thing but being one of them is another.
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
Observer please understand that even we in NL don't get the truth, i found it out myself, and I will tell you later, but there is of course another Renee Gielen post in the dutch media...figure..please don't feel bad about this, we need also your explanations about who where aand what since you are 2+ more years in front of info...
Ok..The link is:
http://witheet.com/buiten(...)et-zogenaamde-gelijk
It's in dutch and starts ok but then...
http://witheet.com/buiten(...)et-zogenaamde-gelijk
It's in dutch and starts ok but then...
If that's true, I think it would be quite reasonable to assume that from the perspective of Observer777 Peter R would be disavowed as part of the cover-up, wouldn't it? I mean, if what Peter R revealed and believes to be true, would in actual fact be the truth; Joran wouldn't be liable as murderer. And he wouldn't spend a day more in jail.quote:Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 03:29 schreef letsgetthiscasesolved het volgende:
So far as we are Ryan3 is right, we simply don't know more than what ryan3 has just stated and that's what Joran has confessed...is there something where it gives duplicates..as in somebody claimed that at an interogation or..
I´m back.
Hi Ryan,quote:Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 03:24 schreef Ryan3 het volgende:
Btw Peter R de Vries'll disagree on observer777's theory. As I understood, he thinks that they drove to the beach, that Natalee died there under mysterious circumstances, not necessarily due to anything Joran did, or slipped in the bacardi 151 earlier, that Joran thereupon phoned a friend and that the friend disposed of the body. Peter R de Vries don't think that they necessarily slipped something in her bacardi 151, that they drove to Joran's den, that he and de Kalpoe brothers violently raped her, that she awakened during this rape and that they then killed her, on which she suffered a major blow on her head and that subsequently Paul van der Sloot disposed of her body. That's not - and perhaps I'm wrong - what Peter R believes.
I appreciate his work and applaud him for his efforts and I admire him as a crime investigator. I don't know anyone personally that knows what happened for sure,and I have seen so many theories and speculations on what happened from so many people. My theory was just a theory,which I did not go into detail or tell you my other theory.The same will be told from him as a theory,which I have not heard yet as you just said mysterious circumstances is how she died. I analyzed everything since day from info that was not available on TV/Newspapers and other credible sources and listened to the thoughts of people who have researched everything like I have since then and the parents of Natalee. Peter R and Dr.Hodges have not done anywhere near the research that has been done at SM and I do not think they know near as much yet. I do believe Peter R knows more about the corruption/cover up but is choosing not to reveal or talk about yet. I look forward to hearing what he thinks happened.
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
Well what Peter R thinks is what I toldya. I just saw it in the reruns of a program called De wereld draait door. Aired here in Holland in the evening.quote:Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 03:46 schreef observer777 het volgende:
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Hi Ryan,
I appreciate his work and applaud him for his efforts and I admire him as a crime investigator. I don't know anyone personally that knows what happened for sure,and I have seen so many theories and speculations on what happened from so many people. My theory was just a theory,which I did not go into detail or tell you my other theory.The same will be told from him as a theory,which I have not heard yet as you just said mysterious circumstances is how she died. I analyzed everything since day from info that was not available on TV/Newspapers and other credible sources and listened to the thoughts of people who have researched everything like I have since then and the parents of Natalee. Peter R and Dr.Hodges have not done anywhere near the research that has been done at SM and I do not think they know near as much yet. I do believe Peter R knows more about the corruption/cover up but is choosing not to reveal or talk about yet. I look forward to hearing what he thinks happened.
So perhaps Peter R is getting Joran of the hook with this confession business then?
Hi btw.
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I´m back.
Hi..I know I have spoken to many Dutch,Americans and Arubans and was startled by how little they knew. It's understandable because the MSM has done a horrible job relaying the full true story in all 3 countries especially Aruba. So much wrong dis-information has come out and it has confused many who did not know any better. At SM we have been amazed for the longest time what is being reported on Fox,Cnn et all and how little the reporters know and the terrible Investigative reporting they have done.quote:Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 03:32 schreef letsgetthiscasesolved het volgende:
Observer please understand that even we in NL don't get the truth, i found it out myself, and I will tell you later, but there is of course another Renee Gielen post in the dutch media...figure..please don't feel bad about this, we need also your explanations about who where aand what since you are 2+ more years in front of info...
Another post from Rene'e Gielen? Oh brother,well we have been expecting it. Nothing she has said has been anywhere near the truth. All lies!
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
I enjoy reading all the material Observer is writing here, it opened my eyes, and now im diggig myself.. it costs a HUGE amount of time.. And he researched 2.5 plus years!! And for all the people that dont believe all these things, just come here and come with proof to show otherwise.. Just attacking someone without backing something up is plain stupid..
Well he knows because that was a part of :let's give it a aname: Devries1
This Joran confessing is Devriies2
In 1 he opened a file that says he met ben (vo)King at the doora justice guy and wrecked up the investigation of the propertij no 19,Monjana?, he found out more...but I have to see it back on 1
This Joran confessing is Devriies2
In 1 he opened a file that says he met ben (vo)King at the doora justice guy and wrecked up the investigation of the propertij no 19,Monjana?, he found out more...but I have to see it back on 1
Yes I found out by myself Gielen is lying in a 1..2.she says:.im' a sloots representative(I have proof on a dutch newspaper-worker who says..hey..again..their methods are sleazy)
Well..and I found there are trolls everywhere, even at greta.blog etc...just lurking what you know and then bang..wrong!!!..sorry..I saw it on tv...
We followed Mr.De Vries work very closely in his first show about Natalee but I have not heard him explain what he fully thinks happened. Only that he says mysterious events and the father knows more and that they were at the beach. It is known Joran had drugged girls in the past,it all adds up in the PV'S and witness accounts as well as his latest confession. 18 year old girls do not die like that for no reason and people do not hide bodies like that if it was a accident or she killed herself,nor do they lie and block the home from ever being searched if they had nothing to hide. When I gave just a tad bit of my theory it was from so many sources of info that is very logical and backs up the real events of everything since day one and also things that Joran has done before Natalee arrived in Aruba. It is not just my theory but many who have followed this closely at SM.quote:Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 03:53 schreef Ryan3 het volgende:
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Well what Peter R thinks is what I toldya. I just saw it in the reruns of a program called De wereld draait door. Aired here in Holland in the evening.
So perhaps Peter R is getting Joran of the hook with this confession business then?
Hi btw.
I can't wait for his next show as hopefully he has more. I know you all aren't his biggest fans but there is no one else that is making a impact on solving this case.
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
I think the link that letsgetthiscasesolved has given is very interesting. I also have some questions about the mother of Natalee, but I don't think it's a cover-up like I see people talking about here. But, I just signed up here and there's so much info on SM.. I'm not very good at english (as you may have noticed) so it's hard for me to understand everything on SM.
So ehm.. do I have to only write in english here or...? because I see some of the posts in dutch but I see english posts also.. it's confusing
So ehm.. do I have to only write in english here or...? because I see some of the posts in dutch but I see english posts also.. it's confusing
Now you're talkin' Jackanese.
Oh, btw Observer I would like your comment on my earlier observation.quote:Op maandag 11 februari 2008 13:32 schreef Ryan3 het volgende:
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Ik denk zeker dat bij veel mensen de motivatie in het begin wel zuiver was; bij m.n. onze Amerikaanse vrienden zie je nu gaandeweg dat ook andere motieven een rol spelen. Afkeer tegen overheden en een zekere tendentie om in complotten en cover-ups te denken. Afkeer tegen liberals. Zelfs een beetje xenofobie (?).
I stated above that in the beginning the motivation of the internet sleuths might have been pure all right, but that namely with our American friends the motives seem to be slurred. Also resentment of govertments plays a big roll and a certain tendency to think in conspiracies and cover-ups. Rensentment of liberals (of which I think the Van der Sloots are a fine example) and even a bit of bigotry might motivate them...
Otherwise I can't explain certain reactions on SM.
I´m back.
please only english, else use babelfish for translation
Welcome Mr. President, How can we serve you,
First of all Observer, this is a Dutch forum, totally different than SM. People here have their own opinion about things. Second of all, I know you have done a lot of work over the past 2/3 years in this case but for most of the Dutch it has just begun after Peter de Vries opened this case again.quote:Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 03:29 schreef observer777 het volgende:
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Sure,I was just called pathetic and doing all this for attention and have done nothing,how did you expect me to respond? All this from a few who are just here for diversions and to spend there time attacking people and derailing the thread and the truth. I noticed you said nothing to them but included yourself as one of them. Since you read all my posts and it's so easy to discredit them and they are mostly assumptions name one thing I was wrong about? I already told you I don't have this on Video or a smoking gun,If I did this case would be solved and none of us would be here.Like your first post stated,you swallowed the dis-information story hook like and sinker and I have no clue why you are attacking the truth of 2.5 years of research,unless you have other motives. If you don't want to learn the truth then don't listen! Maybe you should go back to RU because apparently that is where you are getting your information. I expected that here in this Forum but I already know there is plenty of people here that want to know the truth and appreciate the research that has been done since May 30th 2005. It's a shame that you are confusing opinions with trolls,who won't stop attacking me until I leave this forum. All so people here at FOK don't hear the truth as we know it.
I had people here saying that it was BS that it was reported there was blood in the car,I posted a enormous amount of links. I did the same thing with Jorans confession and many other topics. Did I have a video of Joran confessing in June 2005? Did I claim to have one? No,I simply stated it was reported all over the American Media which I provided the links as the first hand account from the Diario reporter who witnessed it. Some like the Cover up,I posted relevent information but there is tons more as it has happened since the first day and is a enormous amount of info.! We have been on to the trolls,dis-information team,paid plants,friends of the perps and the weird internet people since the very beginning. They didn't stop me then and they certainly wont stop me now from trying to learn the full truth. I hope that the people just starting to learn about this case are aware of them because opinion is one thing but being one of them is another.
How difficult would it be for you to ignore some of the posters. For me its not. Simply, if I am irritated about something on a forum, i'd hit that nice little white X in the upper rightside corner. You know what I mean? Also I think you are reacting way too emotional in this case.
BTW why would I say something to the posters that you think attacks you? Would you protect me if I was bashed here? No better, did you protect MadMaster (or whatever his name was) on SM when he got so many unfriendly posts cause he just had another opinion? And FYI I do not discredit all your post but some of them yes, I don't share your vision, it's to farfetched. And if I say so and if you want to call that an attack, oh well, suits me.
Also, how do you know I swallowed the disinformation? Have I told you that? Did I wrote it down here somewhere or did I just asked you to clarify some questions I had? I already told you I was interested in several aspects in this matter, so don't turn my words around, I know exactly what I have written down here. You also seem to know which sites I surf regarding this matter.... strange.... it seems that you can think what I think. Mmmmm....
With my post to you I try to explain to you in a reasonable and respectfull way that posting on this forum is different than on SM and of course a lot of the FOK posters are interested in your findings but don't expect that everybody here shares your vision. And really... I really can't find here that anybody said to you to leave this forum or stop giving the info. Do you? And if their would be one or two who said that. oh well, its not he end of the world is it?
Think what you want to think but don't put words in my/our mouth(s) or thoughts what I/we did not said or did not do. Just an advise, maybe you should post here differently than you do at SM. By that, I don't mean your findings in the case and maybe less hostile toward others who have another opinion. It's just an advise, do whatever you want dear. The reactions you get on this case will sometimes be positive and sometimes negative, I can only say: deal with it!
Ik ben niet labiel. Ik ben emotioneel flexibel.
I went back several times to research every blog in June 2005 and was stunned to see these trolls infiltrated every single blog since the very beginning. Alot of them use many names and are payed by the ATA to lie and slander the victim,spread wrong info and to protect Aruba's image. Others are just creepy internet people and a few are friends of JK2. In the end it is the Aruban Govt who bankrolled this and they have never let up. They did a little bit of this to others who went missing before Natalee. You can find many of those posters at RU and FOB2. They are reading here and I am sure I will be attacked once again very soon.quote:Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 04:10 schreef letsgetthiscasesolved het volgende:
Well..and I found there are trolls everywhere, even at greta.blog etc...just lurking what you know and then bang..wrong!!!..sorry..I saw it on tv...
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
Yes , it's all clear now, take it to your local police office and they will guide you along.
***** Kraak.....
Just look at it as being this, even last night, Peter,has some trouble with jet-lag, shows up at a show in NL they ask and ask..how was it etc...but the deal was I show up and promote the book my right-hand Kees made of all the Peter R. de Vries show-work work we did and how we did it.
What happened is that they talked about the book for 30 seconds and then Peter said,,this is not what we made a contract of...anyways..Peter made a dutch statement but the story is still not ended...
http://www.depers.nl/ente(...)schond-afspraak.html
What happened is that they talked about the book for 30 seconds and then Peter said,,this is not what we made a contract of...anyways..Peter made a dutch statement but the story is still not ended...
http://www.depers.nl/ente(...)schond-afspraak.html
Observer 777..you know..they are here now..just see to pick them out and if they really bother just report them to anyone..
Who is here now? And what does Observer has to report?quote:Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 04:26 schreef letsgetthiscasesolved het volgende:
Observer 777..you know..they are here now..just see to pick them out and if they really bother just report them to anyone..
Ik ben niet labiel. Ik ben emotioneel flexibel.
Um Observer I'd like to ask you a question. A few posts back I saw your posts about hairs being found and more. But the date that news came out was from 2005. Now, I may be wrong, but if it had anything to do with Natalee, it would be brought up now by Peter or whoever don't you think? I'd say it would at least be still on the news or anything but I don't read or see anything about it anymore.
Now you're talkin' Jackanese.
ahhh fresh monkeys, welcomequote:Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 04:29 schreef I.B het volgende:
Um Observer I'd like to ask you a question. A few posts back I saw your posts about hairs being found and more. But the date that news came out was from 2005. Now, I may be wrong, but if it had anything to do with Natalee, it would be brought up now by Peter or whoever don't you think? I'd say it would at least be still on the news or anything but I don't read or see anything about it anymore.
u2 btw letsgetthiscasesolved
Ik ben niet labiel. Ik ben emotioneel flexibel.
I'm still busy translating, a serious reply will come.quote:Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 04:28 schreef letsgetthiscasesolved het volgende:
LOL..did you read more? btw kraak?
***** Kraak.....
Right observer..I found out the same thing...good to see I wasn't wrong...but I already met reading and you reporting at least two one was the Man....with his holliday and at the arubans..
Kraaksandaal: ROFL..I laughed already...skip the translation..aruban?
want this to be solved, get rid of Sloot or what?
want this to be solved, get rid of Sloot or what?
Thanks! Well I'm not from SM but I'll write in english here because I see Observer's english.. sometimes I don't know the words but I'll do the best I canquote:Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 04:30 schreef BwennieBren het volgende:
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ahhh fresh monkeys, welcome
u2 btw letsgetthiscasesolved
Now you're talkin' Jackanese.
Wat een belachelijke opmerking en typ eens in het Nederlandsquote:Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 04:35 schreef letsgetthiscasesolved het volgende:
Kraaksandaal: ROFL..I laughed already...skip the translation..aruban?
want this to be solved, get rid of Sloot or what?
I used to work in a morgue........I am a people person
Only Human
Only Human
Yes, well. I've read that before, that bit about that Joran used party drugs to rape girls, I asked whether there was any proof, other then rumors, but I'd never gotten any answer really. And yes an 18 year old kid does not die like that, that's true. So mysterious, suspisous even, it'll remain. Unless you have proof that Joran used to rape girls after he drugged them.quote:Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 04:11 schreef observer777 het volgende:
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We followed Mr.De Vries work very closely in his first show about Natalee but I have not heard him explain what he fully thinks happened. Only that he says mysterious events and the father knows more and that they were at the beach. It is known Joran had drugged girls in the past,it all adds up in the PV'S and witness accounts as well as his latest confession. 18 year old girls do not die like that for no reason and people do not hide bodies like that if it was a accident or she killed herself,nor do they lie and block the home from ever being searched if they had nothing to hide. When I gave just a tad bit of my theory it was from so many sources of info that is very logical and backs up the real events of everything since day one and also things that Joran has done before Natalee arrived in Aruba. It is not just my theory but many who have followed this closely at SM.
That was just an interview in an talk show called 'De wereld draait door'.quote:I can't wait for his next show as hopefully he has more. I know you all aren't his biggest fans but there is no one else that is making a impact on solving this case.
I´m back.
all the info is on Aruba, no doubt. inside the building of the OM.quote:Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 03:15 schreef letsgetthiscasesolved het volgende:
Well see, those are good questions...but don't get too hard on observer777 he has seen it all in 2 + years..may be he says, just all go to ... and find the info yourself..the things they digged up the last years..i'm convident that it's more than Hans Mos has..because they wrecked all the info when he started, yes, from scratch with nothing, was probably all shredded..that's why they have 2+ more info on us
but nobody has the balls to come forward because heads are going to roll because of incompetence.
this Aruba thing is very messed up in all sort of ways.
there is talk of independence since 1986. then they said within 10 years.
justice minister Croes says he doesn't like his Dutch passport.
prime minister Oduber als talks about indepence sometimes.
friday Croes and Hirsch Ballin were hitting at eachother in covert press releases.
Croes said: don't send me bad Dutchies (Joran), if you are going to send me bad Arubans.
(Hirsch Ballin wants to make a law sending bad Arubans/Antillans back).
that says a lot. why not send them to prison?
friday will be interesting to see how Balkenende behaves on Aruba.
Hirsch Ballin is also around, but i doubt he will even go to Aruba, because then he has te meet his rival Croes.
and they are pretending it is a low-key visit.
just ask around people you meet: how many of them know Balkenende is visiting the Antilles/Aruba this week?? very few.
but it is one of the most important visits in years by Balkenende regarding the Kingdom.
and then on top of that: the Natalee / van der Sloot-scandal.
i really don't know how they are going to spin this thing.
if you ask me to make a very wild prediction Aruba might declare indepence and Joran will never be prosecuted on Aruba. Joran made those outrageous comments in the car while he was in driving around in The Netherlands. are those comments in itself not reason enough for TBS. i don't know. what a mess.
that happens when the economy is more important than the justice department.
Dostojewski: "Je kunt je niet van je eigen gezond verstand overtuigen door je buurman op te sluiten."
This is what the mean by They...quote:Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 04:20 schreef observer777 het volgende:
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I went back several times to research every blog in June 2005 and was stunned to see these trolls infiltrated every single blog since the very beginning. Alot of them use many names and are payed by the ATA to lie and slander the victim,spread wrong info and to protect Aruba's image. Others are just creepy internet people and a few are friends of JK2. In the end it is the Aruban Govt who bankrolled this and they have never let up. They did a little bit of this to others who went missing before Natalee. You can find many of those posters at RU and FOB2. They are reading here and I am sure I will be attacked once again very soon.
wiki this one (this is just an example)
the Rendon group. Media Managment to the full and best...
The rendon group is not involved in this. But other wich do the same are.
Remember were Aruba is located, and it has NOTHING todo with tourists.
Observer777: could you provide me info on the attacks on you.
John 8:32
Welcome Mr. President, How can we serve you,
Oh god het is nog wakkerquote:Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 04:38 schreef Morwen het volgende:
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Wat een belachelijke opmerking en typ eens in het Nederlands
Ik ben niet labiel. Ik ben emotioneel flexibel.
Ryan,quote:Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 04:17 schreef Ryan3 het volgende:
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Oh, btw Observer I would like your comment on my earlier observation.
I stated above that in the beginning the motivation of the internet sleuths might have been pure all right, but that namely with our American friends the motives seem to be slurred. Also resentment of govertments plays a big roll and a certain tendency to think in conspiracies and cover-ups. Rensentment of liberals (of which I think the Van der Sloots are a fine example) and even a bit of bigotry might motivate them...
Otherwise I can't explain certain reactions on SM.
I am a very skeptical person and it takes a lot to prove something to me. I havent looked into these conspiracy theories or Govt politics too much,it's not my cup of tea. So many people give there thoughts on this case and some are radical theories,some are ignorant and others are purely speculation. I try to take it all in but like some of you hear I must see proof. I am most interested in the politics in Aruba as they have most definetly come into play regarding Natalee. I wish I knew more about this,I know some things but not enough.
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
loeter Ryanquote:Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 04:42 schreef Ryan3 het volgende:
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'It' is still awake you mean?
Anyway, I'm off, 'loeter' as we say in Holland..
sleep tight, don't let the bedbugs bite 
Ik ben niet labiel. Ik ben emotioneel flexibel.
Me has some nize connection to Aruba the sunny islannd in the sun.quote:Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 04:35 schreef letsgetthiscasesolved het volgende:
Kraaksandaal: ROFL..I laughed already...skip the translation..aruban?
want this to be solved, get rid of Sloot or what?
And yes this case is demestating for this small island.
***** Kraak.....
To Morwen: Ja man als ik het in nl kon doen, geen probleem.
Maar goed, de naam is sloot, ik heb een vriend die heeft een boot....
Maar goed, de naam is sloot, ik heb een vriend die heeft een boot....
Is that it? The serious post you mean?quote:Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 04:44 schreef kraaksandaal het volgende:
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Me has some nize connection to Aruba the sunny islannd in the sun.
And yes this case is demestating for this small island.
Ik ben niet labiel. Ik ben emotioneel flexibel.
Jah, alleen ben ik hier geen modquote:
Was sneller als het licht dicht, Engels gezwam en ook nog totaal oninteressant>Yeah, read this and I am no Joran fan, maar ik kan wel normaal typen. Try it. Really 
I used to work in a morgue........I am a people person
Only Human
Only Human
Sjulle we dan maar es naar ons mandje gaan Mor, saampies, gesjellugquote:Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 04:46 schreef Morwen het volgende:
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Jah, alleen ben ik hier geen mod
Ik ben niet labiel. Ik ben emotioneel flexibel.
Echt hoor, get a lifequote:Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 04:44 schreef letsgetthiscasesolved het volgende:
To Morwen: Ja man als ik het in nl kon doen, geen probleem.
Maar goed, de naam is sloot, ik heb een vriend die heeft een boot....
I used to work in a morgue........I am a people person
Only Human
Only Human
I still have one question (sorry I'm new and already posting my ass off) that keeps bothering me.. Joran said the size of his shoes were size 14, but he actually has size 11.4 or something right? That's what I read.. that's really a difference in sizes, and definitally with walking on a beach.. I don't know why he'd say he has a bigger size of shoes that he actually has.. especially since the shoes haven't been found so why would he say that? Why would he say at all that he left his shoes behind when nobody asks about it?
Now you're talkin' Jackanese.
Hey kraak: I have a licence plate: One Happy island...sorry.. i threw it at the garbage last week..not funny anymore at least to say..if you know something or are just a troll..sorry, but we have our hearts,pride and mind!!
This looks like the same lying crap she put out last year. Right?quote:Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 03:38 schreef letsgetthiscasesolved het volgende:
Ok..The link is:
http://witheet.com/buiten(...)et-zogenaamde-gelijk
It's in dutch and starts ok but then...
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
When the shoes would be found......he could then explaine that they weren't his.
Welcome Mr. President, How can we serve you,
Uhhm, nee, maar dat is niet persoonlijkquote:Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 04:48 schreef BwennieBren het volgende:
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Sjulle we dan maar es naar ons mandje gaan Mor, saampies, gesjellug
Ik hou wel van die stervende muisjes
I used to work in a morgue........I am a people person
Only Human
Only Human
quote:Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 04:49 schreef observer777 het volgende:
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This looks like the same lying crap she put out last year. Right?
YEP
Welcome Mr. President, How can we serve you,
10.5 measured by a KLPD Interrogator while earlier it was reported many times they were looking for size 14. I am glad some of you are starting to catch onquote:Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 04:48 schreef I.B het volgende:
I still have one question (sorry I'm new and already posting my ass off) that keeps bothering me.. Joran said the size of his shoes were size 14, but he actually has size 11.4 or something right? That's what I read.. that's really a difference in sizes, and definitally with walking on a beach.. I don't know why he'd say he has a bigger size of shoes that he actually has.. especially since the shoes haven't been found so why would he say that? Why would he say at all that he left his shoes behind when nobody asks about it?
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
Observer777:Yes almost the same and then she says she has new info..keep in mind S-she works for them
quote:Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 04:50 schreef Morwen het volgende:
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Uhhm, nee, maar dat is niet persoonlijk
Ik hou wel van die stervende muisjes
now well then i go alone all by myself, because i verveel me a bit and so... and i only like mices when they are lying on my bread, in chocolate, dead, in cremebutter
By all! Have a nice day/night whatever
Ik ben niet labiel. Ik ben emotioneel flexibel.
Observer777: could you provide me info on the attacks on you. Or link to the blog or website.
John 8:32
John 8:32
Welcome Mr. President, How can we serve you,
witheetquote:Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 04:49 schreef observer777 het volgende:
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This looks like the same lying crap she put out last year. Right?
there is also Steve Brown. he hates Peter R. guts.
not sure why. his blogs are so ridiculious it is funny.
here he is kicking Peter R.
http://www.dumpert.nl/med(...)/komt_die_schop.html
so without even reading witheet they must be making up stories.
Dostojewski: "Je kunt je niet van je eigen gezond verstand overtuigen door je buurman op te sluiten."
Bye, Bwen, ben er ook weg vanquote:Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 04:53 schreef BwennieBren het volgende:
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and i only like mices when they are lying on my bread, in chocolate, dead, in cremebutter
By all! Have a nice day/night whatever
Vert: Bye, Bwen, I am of too Neem mij niet serieus, daar heb ik anderen voor
I used to work in a morgue........I am a people person
Only Human
Only Human
Hallo,quote:Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 04:29 schreef I.B het volgende:
Um Observer I'd like to ask you a question. A few posts back I saw your posts about hairs being found and more. But the date that news came out was from 2005. Now, I may be wrong, but if it had anything to do with Natalee, it would be brought up now by Peter or whoever don't you think? I'd say it would at least be still on the news or anything but I don't read or see anything about it anymore.
I never posted about the duct tape and hairs but the Bloody Mattress and the Security shirt and other items found. They were found the 5th and 6th of June 2005 and because zero forensic evidence has been found,many people wonder if this as well as other evidence was overlooked or destroyed. The Security shirt,no one has ever stated it was not linked to this case and Jorans Attorney says that is why GVC was arrested and the shirt contained forensic evidence that is part of this case. It is very interesting where it was found and the area that surrounds it. Julia Renfro and others were guiding search teams up north while this evidence was found in the south. Often times in this investigation the opposite has been proven true.
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
Brown has a derayled drugs case to solve with peter which didn't exist..still..steve want's to show peter he's something..with slippertje..to my honest believing..steve is now a writer and peter is trying to get rid off al this fuss..so the vendetta stays....
I know everething about smoking pot there, problem is in this case, there is no dead body.quote:Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 04:48 schreef letsgetthiscasesolved het volgende:
Hey kraak: I have a licence plate: One Happy island...sorry.. i threw it at the garbage last week..not funny anymore at least to say..if you know something or are just a troll..sorry, but we have our hearts,pride and mind!!
Yes the Sloot guy talks allot of rubbish, maybe he just don't knew where he was and maybe he exactly knew.
Who can say?
***** Kraak.....
I do not want to get into the attacks on me as they have been plentiful. Some strange people are on the internet and these things happen in general,however this case has attracted many strange birds since the beginning. The other side of this is the trolls,the plants,the dis-information posters who have attacked most everyone that has searched for the truth. Since 2005 I have been threatened,stalked,harrased,slandered..You name itquote:Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 04:39 schreef WallOfStars het volgende:
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This is what the mean by They...
wiki this one (this is just an example)
the Rendon group. Media Managment to the full and best...
The rendon group is not involved in this. But other wich do the same are.
Remember were Aruba is located, and it has NOTHING todo with tourists.
Observer777: could you provide me info on the attacks on you.
John 8:32
Remember Aruba relies on something like 70% of there income is from American tourists and 3/4 of Arubans work in the tourism Industry. Much of what they are doing is to protect there precious tourism as well as the truth about the corruption and the cover up of what happened to Natalee.
Ryan: I posted a few things about Joran giving date rape drugs to others before Natalee arrived here at FOK. He bragged to classmates,he told a adult proffessional(Shrink)and three girls at one time did come forward about this. One of the fathers spoke out in a interview in a newspaper about this and said it was similar to what he read happened to Natalee. If you are that interested I can put together all what I have learned. You will not find it in a PV because we believe the girls were threatened,the classmates were probably scared and it was probably deleted from the statements. No doubt in my mind this happened to Natalee and Joran did it to others before her. You can even read up on his buddy's arrest(Freddy)who was suspected of having sex with a unconscious person. His arrest was related to this case and he was arrested when K2 were arrested the second time in 2005.
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"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
Sorry for the mix-up Observer.. I don't get the bloody mattrass.. they say it's dog's blood because Joran killed one with a paintgun (I really wanna know if this was on purpose) but how could the shirt be involved in the case? If it was then Joran, the Kalpoe-brothers or Natalee had to wear this on that night but then everyone or at least her girlfriends would have seen it.. and that's not the case otherwise this would be really important evidence in the case.
Now you're talkin' Jackanese.
