Natalee Holloway (in the rebound) #4

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Op maandag 11 februari 2008 17:30 schreef Atreidez het volgende:
Was just watching pieces of tape again and saw the following. Joran mentioned in the car tapes that he only knew/has been with Natalee for 2 days, then correcting himself by saying "oh 1 day, I met her that day". This actually gives the idea that he was not yet finished disposing her on the first night and he got busy with it again the day after? Bah, sometimes I wished it would be just a scary movie and soon we will
see the end of it

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That very well could be true. As I said before when Natalee's Family arrived at the VDS house,Deepaks car was gone but was spotted just shortly before in the sloot property. PVDS came out of the house after 10 minutes of sirens and honking with a cell phone already in hand. PVDS called Anita's phone which Joran was using and he said he was playing poker at the Wyndham I believe. They all drove to the casino and he wasn't there. PVDS talked to him again and him and Deepak were waiting at the VDS house. Later the Family found out he was never at that Casino and he never played tennis,koen lied about that. The boys were dirty and sweaty and did not look like they were in a casino at all. What were they doing?
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This website does a decent job of theorizing what happened the next day,PVDS going to the bank,Joran playing tennis and at the Wyndham. None of those events happened I do not think.

IN THE FACE OF EVIL


What was going on between 7:00 pm and 8:30 pm?

We believe this is when Paulus and Joran took Miss Holloway's remains out to sea on the Gottenbos boat. Here Joran sets himself up to be highly visible that night after 8:00 pm .


Part 3 detailed the most likely movements of Paulus van der Sloot during this time, and here now are Joran's activities for this timeframe.

JORAN SAYS TENNIS LESSON ENDED AT 7:00, HE SHOWERED AND THEN CALLED ANDRE ANDRE AGREES TO MEET HIM AT 8:00 AT THE WYNDHAM

Approximately 19.00 pm, I was ready with playing tennis. I showered in the clubhouse. After I had finised showering I got dressed. Then I called "Andre". We had agreed that we would meet at the Wyndham Hotel at approximately 20.00 pm to play poker.
JVDS 6-14

JORAN SAYS HE ALSO CALLS GUIDO AND ASKS HIM TO GO TO THE WYNDHAM GUIDO DECLINES SAYING HE HAS TO WORK, BUT MIGHT COME LATER

Approximately 19.00 pm, I was ready with playing tennis. I had then also called Guido. Guido had told me that he had to go to work. He would come later and try to enter the tournament for half time
JVDS 6-14

According to Paulus, this conversation took place in person, not over the phone. What then was the true nature of this phone call from Joran to Paulus at around 7:00 pm?

Giving confirmation that the boat was at the launch and ready to go?

JORAN SAYS HE THEN CALLED PAULUS TO ASK PERMISSION TO GO TO THE WYNDHAM TO GAMBLE

Approximately 19.00 pm, I was ready with playing tennis. I showered in the clubhouse. After I had finised showering I got dressed. I had also called my father and asked if I could play poker at the Wyndham Casino. My father gave me permission.
JVDS 6-14

Then we have Joran claiming to have been bouncing from one casino to the next for the hour of 7:00 - 8:00 pm


http://nataleesfreebirds.(...)-may-30-2005_19.html
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This is interesting reading and if you hear Juniors accounts he says he saw PVDS and the boys dumping Natalees body at the Landfill. A lot of suspicious activity took place there and continious attempts were made on impeding the efforts of the searchers. Eventually they made them get a permit to search,blamed a fire on them and then filled all the holes up ending weeks of work in that hell hole.

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ON THE MORNING OF MAY 30, 2005 ... A DECEASED NATALEE IS PLACED IN A WHITE PICKUP.

Jossy Mansur
NANCY GRACE
July 29, 2005

GRACE: OK. Jossy, is there any way to tie in a white pick-up to this scenario?

MANSUR: Yes, ma`am, because there`s another witness that, before that, told someone that works at the hotels that he saw a white pick-up over there by the Holiday Inn, in which three persons were also in, all of them male, carrying what looked like the body of a girl, putting it in the back of the white pick-up and driving away with it.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/29/ng.01.html


ON THE MORNING OF MAY 30, 2005 ... THERE IS A RUMORED 6:30 AM CALL FROM ONE OF THE SUSPECTS CELL IN THE SANTA LUCIA AREA OF THE ISLAND AND ... JORAN IS ALLEGEDLY PICKED UP BY THE SCHOOL BUS NEAR THE HOME OF LORENZO VAN RIJN.

Thursday, June 16, 2005 at 04:53 AM in Natalee Holloway | Permalink | Comments (270) | TrackBack (2)

On Natalee's Yahoo forum there there is a report that a helicopter is searching Santa Lucia area because according to the cell phone records of one of the three suspects there was a call in the Santa Lucia area at 6:30 am the morning Natalee was to have met up with the group to leave for airport.
http://www.riehlworldview(...)rvative/2005/week24/


Greta Van Susteren
On the Record w/ Greta
July 3, 2005

SUSTEREN: .... I am also curious whether Paul van der Sloot used his phone between midnight and 7 a.m. on May 30. He told me no... he told the Dutch TV correspondent on camera no... but after the interview with the Dutch TV correspondent, he pulled him aside and said maybe he did make a call and that he was not sure.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,161474,00.html


Dave Holloway
Question and Answer Chat - BFN
January 23, 2006

14. Why was the school bus driver called the next morning and told to pick up Joran at Lorenzo's house?

DAVE: Joran was allegedly dropped off at a bus stop on the main highway. The bus driver had not made it there yet and saved Paulus about 30 minutes. Lorenzo's house was nearby.
http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=2256.0


ON JUNE 1, 2005 ... NATALEE'S REMAINS ARE OBSERVED BY JUNIOR BEING TAKEN FROM A WHITE PICKUP AND PLACED IN THE LANDFILL.

Jossy Mansur
NANCY GRACE
July 29, 2005

MANSUR: … But it`s very important to note that the witness on the beach by the Holiday Inn has absolutely no knowledge of the witness over there to the east side of the island by the landfill or dump. They don't know each other, but still they give the same description of the same white pick-up.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/29/ng.01.html


Susan Candiotti - Cnn Correspondent
NANCY GRACE
July 29, 2005

CANDIOTTI:his same witness claims to have told police that he saw a vehicle and was able to provide a tag number to police. I am told that this is a registered car in Aruba, but I can`t tell you more than that.


JUNIOR CONVEYS HIS OBSERVATION TO HIS BROTHER WHO ... ON JUNE 3, 2005 ... CONVEYS THE ACCOUNT TO THE ARUBAN AUTHORITIES.

Tim Miller
CBS NEWS
July 30, 2005

The witness told his brother what he saw soon afterward, and the brother told police, he said.
http://www.cbsnews.com/st(...)?source=search_story


Edwin Comenencia
Associated Press
August 1, 2005

Police spokesman Edwin Comenencia said police searched the landfill after receiving the tip days after Holloway's disappearance May 30th, but found nothing.
http://www.wtvynews4.com/home/headlines/1756907.html


COULD JUNIOR'S OBSERVATION IMPLIES THAT THE "POWERS THAT BE" IN THE COVERUP REMOVED NATALEE'S REMAINS FROM THE LANDFILL AND ... SHE WAS BURIED OR ... TAKEN OUT TO SEA OR ... BOTH.

Tim Miller
RED - SCARED MONKEYS
July 24, 2005

RED: There have been reports that a shallow grave was discovered in the area of Boca Tortuga, on the eastern part of the island. There are also reports that cell-phone calls made by Joran earlyin the morning came from a location on the eastern side of the island. It seems plausible that thisarea could yield more clues

TIM MILLER: We found a site that we feel as though was a possible gravesite. Our thoughts are that Natalee may have been buried in that hole for 1 or 2 days then moved. We have information that the cell phones were possibly being used in that area
http://scaredmonkeys.com/(...)ller-july-24th-2005/


Dave Holloway
NANCY GRACE
April 24, 2006

GRACE: Well, Dave Holloway, aren`t there logs and isn`t there surveillance in place in Aruba of all the ships that go out of the tiny island, even at night?

HOLLOWAY: Well, there is but on one of those nights, I think it was June the 7th or June the 8th, the electricity went out on the island for about two hours so you wonder if that would have been the prime opportunity to do it. Small boats, I don`t think, can be picked up as well as the big ones.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/24/ng.01.html

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Grapefield Beach where the Bloody Mattress was found is on the very southern part of the island not to far from the VCB Shirt and other items found the next day on June 6th 2005. "Another search took place near Weg Fontein Rd. Here Volunteers,Police and Warda Nos Costa members started searching intensely after police received a suspicious phone call. According to officials,an anxious sounding person told them to focus on the area of Weg Fontein"
After talking with Aruban authorities, Tacopina says his investigators believe the suspect, identified only as "G-V-C," was picked up because of a T-shirt with "relevant forensic information."
Items found were a VCB security shirt with blood on it,styraphone with teeth marks,sunglasses and a lysol bottle with suspicious substance in it. Joran's American Attorney has said several times that the shirt has forensic evidence on it that is part of Natalee's case.



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This Video talks about a bloody Mattress found on June 5th 2005 and sandles were found with it. Even more suspicious,because we know Joran killed his own Dog and Lorenzo was rumored to kill dogs as well. Did this Mattress have anything to do with Natalee? DId someone slaughter a dog to cover forensic evidence already on the Mattress?
(Click to see Video)

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Did Deepak slip in his statement about Joran's Mattress?

Deepak Kalpoe
Suspect Statement
June 13, 2005

The police officers drove from the Holiday Inn to Joran's house. The police had dropped us off at Joran's house.

We then went to Joran's room because Joran's dad wanted to talk to us so we sat down on the floor, because Joran's mattresses were on the floor in his room.

It was already about 06:10 hours, and I said that it really is late and that I had to go home. I got up and walked to the door.

I said my goodbyes and drove home. I went with my car and drove home via the road leading through Paradera. At approximately 06:45 hours, I got home.

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June 4th 2005 AM Digital reports after Interrogating the three young men that were last with Natalee,The Three Young Men declared that they took Natalee to that area,had sex with her and then dropped her off at the HI.



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Op maandag 11 februari 2008 22:08 schreef Nielsch het volgende:
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I just love when hypocrits come here and add nothing but wrong information and attack good people trying to help a country,a murdered girl and victims. Talk about the need for getting a life!!

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I watched the interview with David Kock who was then Satish's attorney early in the case on TV and he clearly said they made a stop at another Bar after C&C. Deepak ran in briefly and then they left. Why are they keeping this out of the timeline,PV'S and series of events? What are they trying to hide if this is irrelevant? Did they stop at Choose-A-Name Bar..If they did,does it have anything to do with Pitbull who was murdered and then the bar he worked at burned down?
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"They said they left the bar around 1:30 a.m. with van der Sloot and an intoxicated Holloway in the back seat, then stopped briefly at another restaurant about a block away before heading out of town", Kock said.
http://tinyurl.com/2tbgfz (June 9th)



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Interesting video just minutes ago from John Q Kelly (Holloway Attorney)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94X3TaqaXWo
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Geraldo 2/10/08 Beth and Peter

Part 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=178zR_ul7Yw

Part 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OaIMz5Oz9E

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Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 00:17 schreef kabouterjong het volgende:

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Yeah, this story with Pitbull was a strange thing... They found wih with his legs cut off, but it was decided that he committed suicide... And then the bar was set in flames... It could be a total coincidence, but somehow i feel it's related. Just as strange is the fact that the woman who helped PVDS at his bank died shortly thereafter. It gets crazier and crazier the more you read about it.

Yes,and Also Rene Van Heyningen who worked for Valero Refinery(Rumored to run the Incinerater) and Part time at the Hospital Incinerater. His Murder is almost as supicious as Pitbulls. Both Famalies complained to the newspapers,arrests were made and it became even more suspicious after that for many reasons. In Rene's case they arrested and convicted his GF who said she didn't do it and that it was two men. The timeline of events of questioning in Natalee's case is very interesting leading up to finding his almost decapitated body on June 18th 2005. Just a day or two before the Gottenbo's were questioned,Lorenzo Van Rijn,Steve Croes and Max Arendsz(Provided Alibi for LVR)

(Bank employee who met with PVDS on June 30th 2005)He mentions her in his PV
Ruth Gisela Dijkhoff-Holtmann
17 May 1955 - 18 Jun 2005
http://www.mementomori.net/05148.html

Rene Van Heyningen
12 Jan 1973- 18 jun 2005
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10/14/05
Victim’s family is none too happy

“While they can’t even resolve the case of Natalee Holloway…what is of a poor dark skinned San Nicolas born Arubian?” This is the reaction of the family of the deceased, Rene van Heinegin, which they indicated to DIARIO in a telephone interview from St. Maarten.

http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2005_10_09_archive.html

More on Rene Van Heyningen
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2481.msg322067#msg322067
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Relatieproblemen gingen aan moord vooraf

ORANJESTAD — Aan de dood van René van Heyningen, in de nacht van donderdag 16 op vrijdag 17 juni 2005, gingen relatieproblemen vooraf. De man zou gewelddadig zijn en de vrouw jaloers. De rechter doet vrijdag uitspraak en dan zal duidelijk zijn of de vrouw Y.C.H. een slachtoffer was dat in een roes van angst handelde, of met voorbedachten rade een moord heeft gepleegd.

Het stel zou die donderdagavond samen gaan stappen, maar Van Heyningen ging in zijn eentje weg. C.H. was teleurgesteld en dacht na over hun relatie. Ze dronk daarbij een fles wijn. Volgens C.H. kwam haar vriend rond vier uur ’s nachts thuis en kregen ze ruzie. Van Heyningen zou een machete hebben gepakt en haar gedreigd hebben te doden als ze zich met zijn leven zou blijven bemoeien. Daarna ging hij slapen.

Rond half zes ’s morgens pakte C.H. het kapmes en stak in zijn hals. De man werd hiervan wakker, maar was niet meer in staat om geluid uit te brengen. Hij kwam uit bed en probeerde weg te lopen. C.H. bleef echter op hem inhakken, tot hij in de keuken neerviel en niet meer reageerde.

C.H. zag dat Van Heyningen dood was en sleepte zijn lichaam naar de slaapkamer van hun nog geen jaar oude dochtertje. Dit meisje sliep op dat moment in de ouderslaapkamer. Daarna hing ze een laken voor het raam, zodat er van buitenaf niets zichtbaar zou zijn. Ze maakte haar dochtertje wakker, bracht haar naar de oppas en ging naar haar werk. Ze belde verschillende mensen om te vragen of zij wisten waar haar vriend was, omdat hij die nacht niet zou zijn thuisgekomen.

Toen C.H. in de loop van de ochtend weer thuiskwam, wikkelde ze naar eigen zeggen het lijk in een laken, legde het in zijn pick-up en bracht het naar begraafplaats te Sabana Basora. De politie ontdekte het lichaam een dag later. Op dat moment werd C.H. niet als verdachte beschouwd. Pas toen agenten in de woning van C.H. in een plas bloed een voetafdruk aantroffen die van C.H. bleek te zijn, werd ze verdachte. Op 24 juni legde de vrouw een bekentenis af.

MACHETE

De officier van justitie zette vraagtekens bij het in huis hebben van een pasgeslepen machete. Volgens C.H. gebruikten ze het mes om de tuin te kappen. “Welke tuin? Op de foto’s die van het huis en de omgeving zijn gemaakt, zie ik geen tuin en ook niets om te kappen.” C.H. zei dat haar vriend haar had gevraagd de machete te laten slijpen om in de tuin mee te werken. Ze bracht de machete op 9 juni naar een slijper en haalde het mes op 15 juni weer op.

Op de kwitantie stond de voornaam van C.H., maar een compleet andere achternaam. C.H. gaf aan dat ze alleen haar voornaam had opgeschreven en de slijper de achternaam noteerde. Toen ze echter goed naar het handschrift keek, erkende ze dat ze het zelf had opgeschreven. “Het was erg druk bij de slijper en ik denk dat ik daardoor een fout heb gemaakt. Maar ik begrijp niet hoe dat kan.”

Op de vraag van de rechter waarom C.H. haar vriend had omgebracht, reageerde ze huilend. “In mijn hoofd klikte iets, ik had een black-out. Die nacht kwam een duivel in mij.” Ze vertelde over hun jarenlange relatie. “Niets was goed voor hem. Ik moest alles voor hem doen, hij deed niets voor mij. Tijdens mijn zwangerschap was hij er niet voor me en hij kwam niet opdagen bij de doop van onze dochter. Jarenlang deed hij me emotioneel pijn. Toch houd ik nog van hem. Het doet pijn dat hij er niet meer is.”

HULP

Bij de reconstructie op de begraafplaats van Sabana Basora bleek dat het zware lijk niet door één persoon over de omheining getild had kunnen worden. De Technische Recherche heeft geen sleepsporen gevonden en geen geknakte takken. C.H. zei dat ze dat toch echt had gedaan. “Ik had onverklaarbare kracht in me.”

Volgens het psychiatrisch onderzoek was de vrouw op het moment van de steekpartij volledig toerekeningsvatbaar, is er geen kans op herhaling en vormt ze geen gevaar voor de maatschappij.

Het OM schetst C.H. als een vrouw die heftig reageerde als haar vriend niet deed wat ze wilde en jaloers was omdat Van Heyningen er meerdere vriendinnen op na hield. Dat C.H. de dag na het ombrengen van haar vriend gewoon ging werken en mensen belde om te vragen waar hij was, vond de officier van justitie een toneelstuk. “Het ging dus om een doelbewuste daad.” De officier van justitie was ook van mening dat C.H. liegt dat ze het in haar eentje heeft gedaan.

De advocaat van C. vond de bewijslast niet sluitend. Uit de lijkschouwing bleek bijvoorbeeld dat er vermoedelijk meerdere wapens zijn gebruikt. “Wat zou het tweede wapen dan zijn geweest?”, vroeg de advocaat zich af.

Ze ging ook in op de machete. “In elke tuin groeit yerba en een machete is niet ongewoon om dit gras mee weg te halen.” De dag na het ombrengen van Van Heyningen beschouwt de advocaat als een dag van ontkenning. Volgens haar is pijn het motief voor deze daad. “Veel vrouwen gaan jarenlang gebukt onder een gewelddadige relatie, maar houden zoveel van hun partner dat ze de relatie niet kunnen verbreken. Hier is inderdaad sprake van een crime passionnel: een daad als gevolg van psychische overmacht.” (Amigoe)

http://tinyurl.com/2hg87b
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Dutch posters discussing the events after Lorenzo Van Rijn,Steve Croes and Max Arendsz were questioned

Op zondag 19 juni 2005 19:33 schreef milagro het volgende:

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Ms is het wel raar, ja.

Die zoon heeft dacht ik een soort van eigen appartementje, aan zijn ouderlijk huis, eigen opgang dus ook neem ik aan, dus ik neem wederom aan, dat zoonlief kan komen en gaan zonder dat Pa en Ma in de gaten hebben hoe of wat en met wie etc.


Zoonlief heeft om 06.30 die morgen gebeld met de 5e verdachte, dat is dus onlangs pas gebleken, daarom is die 5e man nu ook verdachte,.
mss willen ze daarom nu pas weten van Pa of hij iets gemerkt heeft die morgen van af en aan rijden van derden, of zo

Vermist meisje op Aruba #2

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Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 00:32 schreef Atreidez het volgende:

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http://arubanboycott.blog(...)urdered-bouncer.html

The address doesn't really allow for any decent reactions being posted there, but quoted reaction about this guy is very disturbing. I red some of those Shango things, but mainly out of context since I didn't read them at the time they were posted, but from what ive heard he was very well informed. Could it be that this bouncer was idd Shango?

I am not a expert on Shango and Simian and have avoided these discussions for facts,but it is speculated that could have been him or even Charles Croes. Many believe Simian was ALE. Some posters at SM have discussed these two at great lengths.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1952.0

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Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 00:59 schreef -MyLove- het volgende:

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Its 2008 what has so far been result of your help?

I have done everything I can from the very beginning to help solve this case and support Natalee and her Family. I am not a paid researcher or FBI,ALE or KLPD,Just a blogger like all of you trying my very best to help. The results are none of your business,but I see almost 5,000 hits on this thread which I provided years of research from many people that was painstakingly put together through much research. The Dutch people that read my posts here learned the real facts about this case all in just a short time. What have you done to help?

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Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 01:19 schreef -MyLove- het volgende:

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So you have nothing except that some people saw your thread? So in the end you did it all for the attention?

Holy hell that is disgusting that I get attacked for telling people the facts from thousands of hours of research and doing it out of complete kindness and love for this girl and her Family,on my own time and my own dime. When disgusting people like yourself lie and spread wrong information about a murdered girl and her Family. The truth hurts doesnt it? Well at least you are getting paid or are friends of the perps,now go back where you came from and tell your friends they are going down!!!!

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Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 01:26 schreef Klummie het volgende:

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Everything I wrote here is 100% on the money and has already proven to be true and fact,unless stated otherwise You lost all credibiity and holy hell it is disgusting when people come here just to derail the truth,spread lies and attack people telling the truth to people. Now that is pathetic! Get a life chump!

I see the trolls are coming because we are close to the truth! Tell your friends they are going down!!!

[ Bericht 12% gewijzigd door NorthernStar op 12-02-2008 04:09:38 ]