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We all noticed that someone was using Joran's phone and signing into his myspace when he was in prison. Because he mentions his father smuggled in a cell phone while he was in prison I believe these screens are true. We also know Paul Van Der Sloot is on the Committee of the Prisons and Hospitals and probably other boards as well.
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I see someone logged into his Myspace account yesterday and changed his profile on Nov 25th.
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=88422124
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Another website that talks about the corruption in Aruba.
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I see someone logged into his Myspace account yesterday and changed his profile on Nov 25th.
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=88422124
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Another website that talks about the corruption in Aruba.
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"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
very good! i didn't know Peter R. de Vries had been on Greta van Susteren before!
omg... is that the Karin Janssen from the corruption case in Limburg, Netherlands.
(the illegaly build house - and the next day it was suddenly legal)
omg... is that the Karin Janssen from the corruption case in Limburg, Netherlands.
(the illegaly build house - and the next day it was suddenly legal)
Dostojewski: "Je kunt je niet van je eigen gezond verstand overtuigen door je buurman op te sluiten."
they should have put the entire island in a plastic evidence bag years ago and let some independent United Nations team investigate the whole island.
Dostojewski: "Je kunt je niet van je eigen gezond verstand overtuigen door je buurman op te sluiten."
Just another example of the huge conflict of interest in Aruba.
Michael Dompig: (Dompigs Son)Told Dave Holloway that PVDS borrowed Koen Gottenbo's boat to dispose of Natalee on 5-31-05. It was reported in the Media he overheard 3 people saying they used a boat to dispose of Natalee. When he was questioned by the ALE his father resigned from the Natalee case as Commissioner.
Buuti Naar: Dompigs Brother In law who implicated the two innocent security guards in the case saying they were in Natalee's room and stealing from the MB kids. Also said he saw Natalee with cocaine. Two flat out lies.
Dinesh ‘Pitbull’ Djoegan: X Brother In law of Gerald Dompig. He was found on/in Guadirikiri cave on 04/05/2006 -His head was bashed in,legs cut off and set on fire. It was ruled a suicide and many many suspicious events surround his death. He worked for choose-a-name bar as a bouncer that burned down shortly after his death. David Kock slipped in a interview that JK2 stopped at another bar after C&C and it is rumored that it was this bar
K2 Brothers: Are rumored to be Dompigs cousins
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Why can’t we find Natalee Holloway?
May 04, 2006
Recently the Dutch and Aruban press have turned very critical of the Aruban police investigation into the disappearance of Holloway, the first public signal that corruption might be the major obstacle to solving the case. Several Dutch criminal law experts have gone on the record calling the investigation methods “strange and unprofessional” and the investigation itself “total madness.”
At the center of controversy is Gerald Dompig, Aruba's Chief of Police. According to reports, an anonynous man in tears called Dompig with information about where the body of Holloway was buried. A month passed before authorities began the search, yet ealier Dompig spoke openly with the press about new clues. “This is very strange,” said legal psychologist Peter van Koppen. “Normally the area is closed off immediately, to dig and search for clues, but not in Aruba.”
Menno Dolman, a criminal law expert at the University of Amsterdam, was also baffled by Dompig’s slow response. “It is incomprehensible that police, after an important tip about the location of Natalee Holloway’s body, would not go search immediately.”
Regarding Dompig’s leaks about the investigation, University of Leiden’s criminal law expert Hans Nijboer comments: “Total madness. It is against all principles and illogical to bring forth information about the tips before starting the search. [First] competent investigators investigate the case.”
Dompig, who recently resigned his post as Aruba’s Police Chief under mysterious circumstances, is becoming the center of controversy over many odd details related to the case. For example, Joran Van der Sloot and Deepak and Satish Kalpoe were quickly identified as the last people to see Natalee Holloway alive the evening of May 30. However, Dompig waited over a week to gather evidence from the Van der Sloot home, as well as a variety of other sites on the island that might have harbored clues about Holloway’s disappearance. It is widely known that Dompig and Joran Van der Sloot’s father are friends.
There are dozens of other details about Holloway’s disappearance that remain a mystery. Why did Stephen Crooes (a DJ and local operator of a party boat) come forward early in the investigation to corroborate the first tale about the three boys having dropped Holloway off at the Holiday Inn, a story the three boys later admitted was a lie? Crooes now says “he was trying to help,” but what was his motivation to stick his nose into such a high profile investigation if he knew the details weren’t the truth? Was he a plant intended to throw the investigation off course, or was he just stupid?
Authorities remain tight-lipped about the fishing huts on the northwest corner of the island near the hotel where Holloway was staying. Shortly after Holloway disappeared, the fishing huts were vandalized and missing items included fishing cages and knives—equipment that could have been used to dispose of a body.
Forensic evidence taken from the Kalpoe’s vehicle that was later determined unusable was never recollected. Why?
There is a series of videotapes, now labeled “the Chicago tapes” (I have no idea why they are named that) that show island authorities in rental cars searching the northern dunes and painting rocks in areas where Holloway might have disappeared—activities that would obviously corrupt a crime scene. There is information about four boys seen carrying a shovel near the dump in the early morning hours of May 31, reports of suspicious automobiles near the Racquet Club, the fishing huts, and the dump during that evening, and information about a woman being attacked near the fishing huts eight days before Holloway disappeared. All those leads remain loose ends.
Following Dompig’s resignation, Geoffrey Van Cromvoirt was arrested on April 16. News soon surfaced that Cromvoirt was friends with Michael Dompig, the son of Gerald Dompig. Both worked on the Aruban Visibility Team, a security group that patrolled the beaches at the hotels where Holloway was staying. Recent accounts in the Aruban newspaper Diario reported that the boys often boasted that they “had fun with female tourists, even impersonating or representing themselves as island police.” It is coincidental, to say the least, that Cromvoirt’s father owned an island security firm that, among other things, was in charge of video surveillance at the Holiday Inn where Holloway was staying. Cromvoirt was released on April 24, but authorities say that he remains a suspect in the investigation.
Weeks ago, Gerald Dompig appeared in the American media to proclaim that “Holloway died of a drug or alcohol overdose,” but one day later told Dutch newspapers that “Holloway was raped and killed.” Amid this most recent controversy, Aruban newspapers are now reporting that islanders have become resigned to the fact that Dompig and his team have botched the investigation. From all accounts, Aruba is a small island and like many small communities, everyone knows everyone else’s business, a fact that was very apparent during my interviews on the island 11 months ago. After almost one year of an investigation riddled with unresolved questions, incompetent police work, and lies, it is becoming easier to believe that this crime remains unsolved because of the efforts of a few people who actually don’t want to see justice served.
Someone knows what happened to Natalee Holloway, they just aren’t talking.
http://tinyurl.com/luwel
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In October, 2005 Aruban authorities approached Dave Holloway and informed him that Koen Gottenbos could possibly be the key to solving the case. Nevertheless, Koen was never interrogated again in spite of the promises of Gerold Dompig. The assistant prosecutor, Amalin Flanegin, quit because she believed that Koen lied when he was interrogated in the initial stages of the investigation, and Dompig refused to bring him in again. A meeting that took place between Koen's father and the investigators could possibly reveal an explanation.
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Michael Dompig: (Dompigs Son)Told Dave Holloway that PVDS borrowed Koen Gottenbo's boat to dispose of Natalee on 5-31-05. It was reported in the Media he overheard 3 people saying they used a boat to dispose of Natalee. When he was questioned by the ALE his father resigned from the Natalee case as Commissioner.
Buuti Naar: Dompigs Brother In law who implicated the two innocent security guards in the case saying they were in Natalee's room and stealing from the MB kids. Also said he saw Natalee with cocaine. Two flat out lies.
Dinesh ‘Pitbull’ Djoegan: X Brother In law of Gerald Dompig. He was found on/in Guadirikiri cave on 04/05/2006 -His head was bashed in,legs cut off and set on fire. It was ruled a suicide and many many suspicious events surround his death. He worked for choose-a-name bar as a bouncer that burned down shortly after his death. David Kock slipped in a interview that JK2 stopped at another bar after C&C and it is rumored that it was this bar
K2 Brothers: Are rumored to be Dompigs cousins
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Why can’t we find Natalee Holloway?
May 04, 2006
Recently the Dutch and Aruban press have turned very critical of the Aruban police investigation into the disappearance of Holloway, the first public signal that corruption might be the major obstacle to solving the case. Several Dutch criminal law experts have gone on the record calling the investigation methods “strange and unprofessional” and the investigation itself “total madness.”
At the center of controversy is Gerald Dompig, Aruba's Chief of Police. According to reports, an anonynous man in tears called Dompig with information about where the body of Holloway was buried. A month passed before authorities began the search, yet ealier Dompig spoke openly with the press about new clues. “This is very strange,” said legal psychologist Peter van Koppen. “Normally the area is closed off immediately, to dig and search for clues, but not in Aruba.”
Menno Dolman, a criminal law expert at the University of Amsterdam, was also baffled by Dompig’s slow response. “It is incomprehensible that police, after an important tip about the location of Natalee Holloway’s body, would not go search immediately.”
Regarding Dompig’s leaks about the investigation, University of Leiden’s criminal law expert Hans Nijboer comments: “Total madness. It is against all principles and illogical to bring forth information about the tips before starting the search. [First] competent investigators investigate the case.”
Dompig, who recently resigned his post as Aruba’s Police Chief under mysterious circumstances, is becoming the center of controversy over many odd details related to the case. For example, Joran Van der Sloot and Deepak and Satish Kalpoe were quickly identified as the last people to see Natalee Holloway alive the evening of May 30. However, Dompig waited over a week to gather evidence from the Van der Sloot home, as well as a variety of other sites on the island that might have harbored clues about Holloway’s disappearance. It is widely known that Dompig and Joran Van der Sloot’s father are friends.
There are dozens of other details about Holloway’s disappearance that remain a mystery. Why did Stephen Crooes (a DJ and local operator of a party boat) come forward early in the investigation to corroborate the first tale about the three boys having dropped Holloway off at the Holiday Inn, a story the three boys later admitted was a lie? Crooes now says “he was trying to help,” but what was his motivation to stick his nose into such a high profile investigation if he knew the details weren’t the truth? Was he a plant intended to throw the investigation off course, or was he just stupid?
Authorities remain tight-lipped about the fishing huts on the northwest corner of the island near the hotel where Holloway was staying. Shortly after Holloway disappeared, the fishing huts were vandalized and missing items included fishing cages and knives—equipment that could have been used to dispose of a body.
Forensic evidence taken from the Kalpoe’s vehicle that was later determined unusable was never recollected. Why?
There is a series of videotapes, now labeled “the Chicago tapes” (I have no idea why they are named that) that show island authorities in rental cars searching the northern dunes and painting rocks in areas where Holloway might have disappeared—activities that would obviously corrupt a crime scene. There is information about four boys seen carrying a shovel near the dump in the early morning hours of May 31, reports of suspicious automobiles near the Racquet Club, the fishing huts, and the dump during that evening, and information about a woman being attacked near the fishing huts eight days before Holloway disappeared. All those leads remain loose ends.
Following Dompig’s resignation, Geoffrey Van Cromvoirt was arrested on April 16. News soon surfaced that Cromvoirt was friends with Michael Dompig, the son of Gerald Dompig. Both worked on the Aruban Visibility Team, a security group that patrolled the beaches at the hotels where Holloway was staying. Recent accounts in the Aruban newspaper Diario reported that the boys often boasted that they “had fun with female tourists, even impersonating or representing themselves as island police.” It is coincidental, to say the least, that Cromvoirt’s father owned an island security firm that, among other things, was in charge of video surveillance at the Holiday Inn where Holloway was staying. Cromvoirt was released on April 24, but authorities say that he remains a suspect in the investigation.
Weeks ago, Gerald Dompig appeared in the American media to proclaim that “Holloway died of a drug or alcohol overdose,” but one day later told Dutch newspapers that “Holloway was raped and killed.” Amid this most recent controversy, Aruban newspapers are now reporting that islanders have become resigned to the fact that Dompig and his team have botched the investigation. From all accounts, Aruba is a small island and like many small communities, everyone knows everyone else’s business, a fact that was very apparent during my interviews on the island 11 months ago. After almost one year of an investigation riddled with unresolved questions, incompetent police work, and lies, it is becoming easier to believe that this crime remains unsolved because of the efforts of a few people who actually don’t want to see justice served.
Someone knows what happened to Natalee Holloway, they just aren’t talking.
http://tinyurl.com/luwel
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In October, 2005 Aruban authorities approached Dave Holloway and informed him that Koen Gottenbos could possibly be the key to solving the case. Nevertheless, Koen was never interrogated again in spite of the promises of Gerold Dompig. The assistant prosecutor, Amalin Flanegin, quit because she believed that Koen lied when he was interrogated in the initial stages of the investigation, and Dompig refused to bring him in again. A meeting that took place between Koen's father and the investigators could possibly reveal an explanation.
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"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
This just made me laugh out loud
I mean, c'mon. How can anyone maintain that everything is just fine inside the ALE?
quote:Op maandag 11 februari 2008 01:07 schreef observer777 het volgende:
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His head was bashed in,legs cut off and set on fire. It was ruled a suicide [...]
I mean, c'mon. How can anyone maintain that everything is just fine inside the ALE?
April 17, 2006
"The former lead investigater in the case(DOMPIG) said his son worked for a watersports company and overheard a group of people tell a story about someone using a boat to get rid of Natalee's body"
http://youtube.com/watch?v=UKeEDXG3K7w
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From Dave's book, pgs. 118-119...
He (Michael Dompig) then started talking about the case, and during this conversation he mentioned that he had heard that Paulus van der Sloot had borrowed a friend's boat on either the night of Natalee's disappearance or the next day and that he was allegedly involved with Natalee's murder. That brought to mind one of Joran's statements. Apparently, this friend's father owned a boat. The message was that this boat was used to take Natalee out to sea. Another boat that was also mentioned by him was the Pair A Dice, which is a local boat from Aruba.
"The former lead investigater in the case(DOMPIG) said his son worked for a watersports company and overheard a group of people tell a story about someone using a boat to get rid of Natalee's body"
http://youtube.com/watch?v=UKeEDXG3K7w
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From Dave's book, pgs. 118-119...
He (Michael Dompig) then started talking about the case, and during this conversation he mentioned that he had heard that Paulus van der Sloot had borrowed a friend's boat on either the night of Natalee's disappearance or the next day and that he was allegedly involved with Natalee's murder. That brought to mind one of Joran's statements. Apparently, this friend's father owned a boat. The message was that this boat was used to take Natalee out to sea. Another boat that was also mentioned by him was the Pair A Dice, which is a local boat from Aruba.
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
Yes. You know how this works, you have seen it happen.quote:Op zondag 10 februari 2008 08:25 schreef kinkajoe het volgende:
@ WWWever,
It is rather obvious that people come up with stories about Nathalee to get the attention away from what really happened.
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It only makes sence for people who know more about Nathalee's disappearance to blame the girl herself and her family. Blaming the other is very popular by people who want to get the attention away from were they do not want it. People who want not to be found out the truth, make up stories about total innocent people.
Trying to shift the blame away from the suspect onto others, sow doubts and confusion, trying to influence public opinion, and when public opinion has sufficiently been molded, try to use public opinion as their own tool in exerting pressure unto the authorities.
Thats why even if the 'De Vries tapes' cant be used directly in court, which remains to be seen at this point, Peter has giving a tremendous blow to those playing this PR game. I would say its a KO. They wont recover from this no matter how many psychics or wild theories they put out there. Peter has in one big swoop undone this whole carefully crafted disinfo campaign.
NorthernStar, what do you think about my theory that Peter R. planned the timeline.quote:Op maandag 11 februari 2008 01:43 schreef NorthernStar het volgende:
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Yes. You know how this works, you have seen it happen.
Trying to shift the blame away from the suspect onto others, sow doubts and confusion, trying to influence public opinion, and when public opinion has sufficiently been molded, try to use public opinion as their own tool in exerting pressure unto the authorities.
Thats why even if the 'De Vries tapes' cant be used directly in court, which remains to be seen at this point, Peter has giving a tremendous blow to those playing this PR game. I would say its a KO. They wont recover from this no matter how many psychics or wild theories they put out there. Peter has in one big swoop undone this whole carefully crafted disinfo campaign.
i mean, coming friday balkenende is visiting Aruba. it is an important visit, he doesn't go there often.
do you think Peter R. will issue a statement about the Van der Sloots thursday or wednesday to grab the media attention (also in the USA live on let's say Greta or Nancy Grace) again and embarras Balkenende so much that shit starts hitting the fan?
this is just a theory, but my gut tells me Peter R. plays better poker than Paul vdS and everybody.
Dostojewski: "Je kunt je niet van je eigen gezond verstand overtuigen door je buurman op te sluiten."
[ afbeelding ]quote:Op maandag 11 februari 2008 00:50 schreef observer777 het volgende:
We all noticed that someone was using Joran's phone and signing into his myspace when he was in prison. Because he mentions his father smuggled in a cell phone while he was in prison I believe these screens are true. We also know Paul Van Der Sloot is on the Committee of the Prisons and Hospitals and probably other boards as well.
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I see someone logged into his Myspace account yesterday and changed his profile on Nov 25th.
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=88422124
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[/quote]this website stil exists!!! last login 10-2-2008!!!!
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Peter R. obviously chose the moment. I remember he said something about it along the lines that he could have gone on with the operation, well almost indefinitely. So yes the decision to end it and to bring it out in the open with the broadcast was deliberately chosen. Balkenende's visit could very well have been a factor in that discussion decision. But to what extent, I dont know.quote:Op maandag 11 februari 2008 01:53 schreef Caesu het volgende:
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NorthernStar, what do you think about my theory that Peter R. planned the timeline.
i mean, coming friday balkenende is visiting Aruba. it is an important visit, he doesn't go there often.
do you think Peter R. will issue a statement about the Van der Sloots thursday or wednesday to grab the media attention (also in the USA live on let's say Greta or Nancy Grace) again and embarras Balkenende so much that shit starts hitting the fan?
this is just a theory, but my gut tells me Peter R. plays better poker than Paul vdS and everybody.
My feeling is, and there are some indications that point in that direction, that Peter R. has done this in coordination with elements within the law enforcement and judiciary. He is well connected anyway so there would be contacts but it seems to me that there's a little more to it. The official story is that Patrick came out of the blue and offered his services to Peter, but is that what really happened? Or was this initiated and organized by elements within the law enforcement? It has also been suggested that Patrick's appearance was arranged by the organized crime. The boundaries between law enforcement and organized crime are probably a bit more murkier anyway on places like Aruba.
If Peter R. is working in coordination with "others" then who knows what will be taken into consideration in their decision making. What interests are in play.
Thats the problem imo, we know nothing about whats going on behind the scenes.
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Another thought on this.quote:Op maandag 11 februari 2008 01:53 schreef Caesu het volgende:
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do you think Peter R. will issue a statement about the Van der Sloots thursday or wednesday to grab the media attention (also in the USA live on let's say Greta or Nancy Grace) again and embarras Balkenende so much that shit starts hitting the fan?
Peter's aim is not to bring the whole thing down like a house of cards. If the crime is solved till a satisfactory degree and Peter gets a big chunk of the credit, well thats major success. He is not out to get everyone who might have made their hands dirty since may 2005. On the contrary. Those are potentional favors he can call in at a later time, in another case. You never know when those might come in handy. You scratch my back and I'll scratch yours.. He wouldnt have been a "crime reporter" very long if he would have gone out and exposed everything he came across. At least not a very successful one. Within notime every door would be closed for him.
He said in one interview he's certain that Joran will stand trial. If think he already has gotten assurance that this is going to happen. No need to embarrass certain people.
[ afbeelding ]quote:Op maandag 11 februari 2008 00:50 schreef observer777 het volgende:
We all noticed that someone was using Joran's phone and signing into his myspace when he was in prison. Because he mentions his father smuggled in a cell phone while he was in prison I believe these screens are true. We also know Paul Van Der Sloot is on the Committee of the Prisons and Hospitals and probably other boards as well.
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I see someone logged into his Myspace account yesterday and changed his profile on Nov 25th.
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=88422124
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What kind of evidence does this provide......as I see it nothing, the FBI can get this info from the servers of myspace and verify wich Ip logged in and and what time....these screenshots can be made in minutes with photoshop.
or some else has his login info including the paswword.
Also.....
Some claime 2 phone calls were made from Natalee's Cell phone....this would be intercepted by NSA, it was an US cell
calling a foreign number....i'm sure NSA would have intercepted the call and would still be logged in there databases,
NOT the conversation, but that the call was made and to wich number. the FBI can get this information from NSA. To clear all the doubt about the calls,
Also, Aruba is the US staging area for Covert ops on venuzuala....IF a boot went out it would have been detected by US assets in the area even though SOSUS. so to verify some of the events US intelligence assets would be able to provide some info on it.
Welcome Mr. President, How can we serve you,
The FBI can't do anything unless the Aruban authorities ask them to,so far the Arubans have asked very little of them. You should read my post again because you are missing it. Those screens are absolutely authentic and I saw it for my very own eyes someone was logging into his myspace account almost daily when he was in prison. Since he admitted his father smuggled in a cell phone when he was in prison and his father is on the Govt Prison Board it leads me to believe Joran indeed had a cell phone in prison. I don't have access to the Myspace servers or internal functions at MSN,I was simply sharing what I know.
As far as the phone calls reported from Natalee you can use your own assumptions as will I. The Family says now they did not take place.
As far as the phone calls reported from Natalee you can use your own assumptions as will I. The Family says now they did not take place.
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
How can you be sure it was Joran and not someone else using his login and password....... even if the screens are authentic. This is no PROOF it was Joran logging in, just SOMEONE was.quote:Op maandag 11 februari 2008 05:03 schreef observer777 het volgende:
The FBI can't do anything unless the Aruban authorities ask them to,so far the Arubans have asked very little of them. You should read my post again because you are missing it. Those screens are absolutely authentic and I saw it for my very own eyes someone was logging into his myspace account almost daily when he was in prison. Since he admitted his father smuggled in a cell phone when he was in prison and his father is on the Govt Prison Board it leads me to believe Joran indeed had a cell phone in prison. I don't have access to the Myspace servers or internal functions at MSN,I was simply sharing what I know.
As far as the phone calls reported from Natalee you can use your own assumptions as will I. The Family says now they did not take place.
A could have done, doesn't make it so. (Does anyone the data network on Aruba GPRS/EDGE dont think it was WIFI in jail
and the FBI can request (no warrent) the info from Myspace, even without a request from Aruban authorities.
I think Myspace would provide the info when requested by the FBI.
ok if there are no calls...there's no loggs so that one goes out the window
Note*(I dont trust the arubans to figure this one out to many hooks an angels on the little damn island...they just dont want to to many people in higher positions would be implicated in NOT doing there job properly)
Welcome Mr. President, How can we serve you,
Oh just to clear something up
PrdV als claimed to have solved the JFK murder.
He is very very selective in what to choose and what to believe from joran and what not.
I personaly think....Joran was very close to the truth in the car, Just that he switched the name of Daury with his dads the next day.....
Hope some day all 20+ hours of tape come out to see the raw un edited version of his "confessions"
PrdV als claimed to have solved the JFK murder.
He is very very selective in what to choose and what to believe from joran and what not.
I personaly think....Joran was very close to the truth in the car, Just that he switched the name of Daury with his dads the next day.....
Hope some day all 20+ hours of tape come out to see the raw un edited version of his "confessions"
Welcome Mr. President, How can we serve you,
The US government, and I'm sure the FBI alone as well, has the tools to investigate this on their own. They dont need permission from the Aruban authorities. They can trace phone calls and check web servers. We would know if they had done so? Obviously not. They wouldnt disclose their own findings and Joran isnt prosecuted in the US.quote:Op maandag 11 februari 2008 05:03 schreef observer777 het volgende:
The FBI can't do anything unless the Aruban authorities ask them to,so far the Arubans have asked very little of them. You should read my post again because you are missing it. Those screens are absolutely authentic and I saw it for my very own eyes someone was logging into his myspace account almost daily when he was in prison. Since he admitted his father smuggled in a cell phone when he was in prison and his father is on the Govt Prison Board it leads me to believe Joran indeed had a cell phone in prison. I don't have access to the Myspace servers or internal functions at MSN,I was simply sharing what I know.
As far as the phone calls reported from Natalee you can use your own assumptions as will I. The Family says now they did not take place.
If Joran had excess to a mobile while in prison, and he said so himself, my guess is the FBI investigators would know this or have the means to find out. Same goes for the Dutch investigators. If Joran had a phone than they know this. We cant check their findings but imo its pretty much established that Joran did.
Then a far more interesting question arises. Who provided the cell phone? If the investigators can prove it came from PVDS he is toast. Whatever else might happen, his career is ruined. Thats why Peter R. wrote today that Jorans parents now have a clear interest in discrediting Jorans confessions. In other words, their credibility has been shot, courtesy of their own precious Joran.
Interesting reading from a business man in Aruba named Rene Van Nie
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COVER UP?!
Van de 10 mails die ik ontvang wordt er in zeker 8 gesproken over een COVER UP.
De mensen geloven het niet meer. En dat is niet goed voor de geloofwaardigheid in ons rechten systeem. De mensen zijn het zat. Ze kunnen zich niet voorstellen dat alles eerlijk verloopt op Aruba. Ik weet het niet meer. Maar gevaarlijk is die ontwikkeling zeker. Want als er van een 'cover up' sprake is dat zijn die mensen verantwoordelijk voor een duidelijke teruggang in onze toeristen industrie van zeker zo'n 20%. Plus dat het misdadig is wat ze doen.
Er is ook een heel duidelijke theorie bij mijn lezers over de 100 tips die in Nederland zijn binnen gekomen na de uitzending Spoorloos. "Op Aruba durven de mensen niet te bellen, ze vertrouwen het niet' en 'ze geloven toch niet dat er iets met hun tips wordt gedaan'. en 'daarom hebben ze wel naar Nederland gebeld. Dat is niet gevaarlijk en dan moet er wél wat worden gedaan met hun tips'.
Kortom, foute boel allemaal!
BETROKKEN AMERIKANEN HEBBEN AL VANAF HET BEGIN OVER EEN COVER UP GESPROKEN. DAT IS HUN GROOTSTE PROBLEEM MET ARUBA.
EN ALS DAT NIET ZO IS DAN ZIJN DE INSTANTIES OP ARUBA IN ELK GEVAL HEEL ERG VERKEERD NAAR BUITEN GETREDEN. EN DOEN DAT NOG STEEDS.
UIT DE AMIGOE:
Van Cromvoirt is werkzaam bij het Visibility Team. Zijn vader heeft een bewakingsbedrijf, VCB, dat voor enkele grote hotels werkt. Het Openbaar Ministerie (OM) heeft bevestigd dat de aanhouding is verricht. Waarvan hij wordt verdacht is niet bekend gemaakt. Het zou dus kunnen dat hij informatie heeft achtergehouden, maar het zou ook kunnen dat hij met het meisje is gezien in de nacht van haar verdwijning. Of de aanhouding een gevolg is van een tip naar aanleiding van de uitzending van Opsporing Verzocht, vorige week, wilde het OM niet bevestigen.
UIT DE INTERNATIONALE PERS
Vriendje commissariszoon
De reden waarom Geoffrey niet eerder is gearresteerd, zo wordt gefluisterd in
Oranjestad, ligt aan het feit dat hij goed bevriend is met de zoon van de
Arubaanse politiecommissaris Gerold Dompig.
Dompig was leider van het team dat onderzoek doet
naar de verdwijning van Natalee Holloway. Dompig
was de tweede onderzoeksleider van het team. Hij
volgde Jan van der Straten op, die met pensioen ging.
Geoffrey heeft wat problemen. Hij is hyperactief. Er is een naam voor die kwaal maar die ben ik even kwijt. Dat maakt ook duidelijk waarom hij tijdens de verhoren onophoudelijk huilt.
http://www.renevannie.com/inhoud/kritisch/_kritisch2005.html
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COVER UP?!
Van de 10 mails die ik ontvang wordt er in zeker 8 gesproken over een COVER UP.
De mensen geloven het niet meer. En dat is niet goed voor de geloofwaardigheid in ons rechten systeem. De mensen zijn het zat. Ze kunnen zich niet voorstellen dat alles eerlijk verloopt op Aruba. Ik weet het niet meer. Maar gevaarlijk is die ontwikkeling zeker. Want als er van een 'cover up' sprake is dat zijn die mensen verantwoordelijk voor een duidelijke teruggang in onze toeristen industrie van zeker zo'n 20%. Plus dat het misdadig is wat ze doen.
Er is ook een heel duidelijke theorie bij mijn lezers over de 100 tips die in Nederland zijn binnen gekomen na de uitzending Spoorloos. "Op Aruba durven de mensen niet te bellen, ze vertrouwen het niet' en 'ze geloven toch niet dat er iets met hun tips wordt gedaan'. en 'daarom hebben ze wel naar Nederland gebeld. Dat is niet gevaarlijk en dan moet er wél wat worden gedaan met hun tips'.
Kortom, foute boel allemaal!
BETROKKEN AMERIKANEN HEBBEN AL VANAF HET BEGIN OVER EEN COVER UP GESPROKEN. DAT IS HUN GROOTSTE PROBLEEM MET ARUBA.
EN ALS DAT NIET ZO IS DAN ZIJN DE INSTANTIES OP ARUBA IN ELK GEVAL HEEL ERG VERKEERD NAAR BUITEN GETREDEN. EN DOEN DAT NOG STEEDS.
UIT DE AMIGOE:
Van Cromvoirt is werkzaam bij het Visibility Team. Zijn vader heeft een bewakingsbedrijf, VCB, dat voor enkele grote hotels werkt. Het Openbaar Ministerie (OM) heeft bevestigd dat de aanhouding is verricht. Waarvan hij wordt verdacht is niet bekend gemaakt. Het zou dus kunnen dat hij informatie heeft achtergehouden, maar het zou ook kunnen dat hij met het meisje is gezien in de nacht van haar verdwijning. Of de aanhouding een gevolg is van een tip naar aanleiding van de uitzending van Opsporing Verzocht, vorige week, wilde het OM niet bevestigen.
UIT DE INTERNATIONALE PERS
Vriendje commissariszoon
De reden waarom Geoffrey niet eerder is gearresteerd, zo wordt gefluisterd in
Oranjestad, ligt aan het feit dat hij goed bevriend is met de zoon van de
Arubaanse politiecommissaris Gerold Dompig.
Dompig was leider van het team dat onderzoek doet
naar de verdwijning van Natalee Holloway. Dompig
was de tweede onderzoeksleider van het team. Hij
volgde Jan van der Straten op, die met pensioen ging.
Geoffrey heeft wat problemen. Hij is hyperactief. Er is een naam voor die kwaal maar die ben ik even kwijt. Dat maakt ook duidelijk waarom hij tijdens de verhoren onophoudelijk huilt.
http://www.renevannie.com/inhoud/kritisch/_kritisch2005.html
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"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
He has his own scenario or theory. Just like everybody else does. His claims that he had solved the case where indeed way over the top. However in the broadcast itself he took a more "humble" position. And he now refers to it as a breakthrough. He said so himself he underestimated the response it would get. In retrospect there wasn’t a need to make it this "sensational".quote:Op maandag 11 februari 2008 05:23 schreef WallOfStars het volgende:
Oh just to clear something up
PrdV als claimed to have solved the JFK murder.
He is very very selective in what to choose and what to believe from joran and what not.
I hope so too.quote:I personaly think....Joran was very close to the truth in the car, Just that he switched the name of Daury with his dads the next day.....
Hope some day all 20+ hours of tape come out to see the raw un edited version of his "confessions"
The FBI may have the tools to Investigate,but they will not get involved unless the Arubans ask them to pertaining to crimes that happened in Aruba. Trust me on this. Also Rudy Croes and Jossy Mansur spoke out the other day and said they will look into Jorans cell phone use in the KIA. If it is true,they may kick PVDS off of the Govt Prison Committee,Hospital and whatever other committees he is on. There was a article about that on SM FP.quote:Op maandag 11 februari 2008 05:38 schreef NorthernStar het volgende:
[..]
The US government, and I'm sure the FBI alone as well, has the tools to investigate this on their own. They dont need permission from the Aruban authorities. They can trace phone calls and check web servers. We would know if they had done so? Obviously not. They wouldnt disclose their own findings and Joran isnt
prosecuted in the US.
If Joran had excess to a mobile while in prison, and he said so himself, my guess is the FBI investigators would know this or have the means to find out. Same goes for the Dutch investigators. If Joran had a phone than they know this. We cant check their findings but imo its pretty much established that Joran did.
Then a far more interesting question arises. Who provided the cell phone? If the investigators can prove it came from PVDS he is toast. Whatever else might happen, his career is ruined. Thats why Peter R. wrote today that Jorans parents now have a clear interest in discrediting Jorans confessions. In other words, their credibility has been shot, courtesy of their own precious Joran.
scaredmonkeys.com
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Geraldo 2/10/08 Beth and Peter R Interview
Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=178zR_ul7Yw
Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OaIMz5Oz9E
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
Letter From Paul Reynolds
Natalee Holloway's Uncle, Paul Reynolds penned a letter to the Editor and sent it to Amigoe, Aruba AM and Aruba Today. He was on MSNBC's Scarborough Country Tuesday night to discuss the letter and related topics.
Below is the unedited text of the letter.
Letter to the Editor
I have been reading Aruba AM, the English Aruban newspaper sent out over the internet. There appears to be a growing backlash against the Holloway family that I am very concerned about. I am sure the people in Aruba wish this investigation could be resolved as much as our family does.
The people in Aruba have been overwhelming supportive of our entire family since Natalie's disappearance. When I arrived on the Island two days after she was reported missing, I was always greeted with expressions of concern and hope for Natalie's return. There are hundreds if not thousands of stories of people coming together and helping each other during this incident. Bernadett from Economy Car Rental, the people at Holiday Inn, the Aruban Government Workers who left work to search the island are just a few of the examples. This is the good story of Aruba . The compassion and desire to help has meant more than you can imagine to our family.
Unfortunately, there are a very small number of individuals that are holding the people of Aruba , the Holloway family and what seems like the whole world hostage. These individuals are not a reflection of the Aruban people or the system of Justice in Aruba . These individuals know what happened and are refusing to accept responsibility for their actions. It also appears that certain individuals may be attempting to protect those individuals that know what happened. Helping them hide from their responsibility will destroy rather than preserve what is left of their lives, hopes and dreams.
The concerns that we have about the investigation are real. It began with the 10 day delay with taking the three original suspects into custody. My sister, Beth and her husband, Jug, arrived on the island the same day Natalie was reported missing. They were able to identify the three individuals she had last been seen with and report this to the police. The three suspects were briefly questioned and released. Their stories turned out to be false and their allegations led to the detainment of two innocent individuals. In a missing person case, every day is critical. Ten days would allow those individuals responsible time to hide evidence and coordinate their stories. What if the missing person was alive in those first few days? The failure to take those individuals into custody and seek evidence may have damaged this investigation beyond repair. Why was this done? Was it an attempt to cover up whatever happened and or protect those individuals involved?
Because the father of one of the suspects is a member of the Judicial system, there was immediate concern on behalf of the family that the investigation might not be fair and objective. The interest and presence of the FBI along with assurances from the US Government and the Prime Minister of Aruba reduced those concerns.
Actions since then have again increased concerns that the investigation is not being done in an objective manner. Why would you refuse assistance from the FBI in resolving a difficult case? Why would you hinder a private search team, composed of a group of volunteers whose director has experienced a similar loss of his own?
The release of two of the suspects is also a matter of concern.
Although the latest (third) story of one of the suspects places him alone with Natalie on the beach, the other two have admitted to lying. Is this not obstruction of justice, interfering with an investigation or conspiracy to cover up a crime? Aren't these illegal activities whether or not you are involved in the actual crime itself? How can these individuals be allowed to go free and possibly leave the country? Why would they lie unless they had knowledge of a crime either before or after the fact? Why would the father of one of the suspects tell all three that without a body, there is no crime?
As you can see, our many questions and concerns are about the investigation, not the Island or the people of Aruba . They are as much a victim of these individuals as we are. Please join us in our request to the Prime Minister of Aruba and the Dutch Authorities to launch an independent investigation of this matter and allow all of us to learn the truth, return Natalie to her home and go forward with our lives.
Respectfully yours,
Paul Reynolds
Natalie Holloway's Uncle
Wednesday, July 06, 2005 at 12:50 AM
http://www.riehlworldview(...)05/week27/index.html
Paul Reynolds
'Scarborough Country' for July 12
July 12, 2005
PAUL REYNOLDS, UNCLE OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: i know that my sister had a meeting with the FBI June 10, Friday. And from that meeting, she became convinced that Natalee was no longer alive. She called her mother and told her that. And our family was—was—began the grieving process.
You know, we were told the report would come out the next day. Later that night, we saw the reports that confessions had been made, that something bad had happened. Shortly thereafter, it was retracted. The next morning, there was a report that said Natalee was confirmed dead. And these reports came from the deputy commissioner. They came from the spokesperson from the Ministry of Justice.
And then, all of a sudden, these statements and these confessions just disappeared.
SCARBOROUGH: And wait a second. I mean, these confessions were so rock solid that you actually had the FBI coming to you, coming to your family, Natalee's family, saying, we are sorry to tell you this, but there has been a confession. One of these boys has confessed, and Natalee is no longer alive.
How do you pull something like that back off the table? Have you had or has your sister had or has anybody in the family had any explanation from Aruban officials whatever happened to this confession, where they buried it?
REYNOLDS: I am not aware of any follow-up information. You know, this seemed to disappear from sight, these confessions did.
At the time, we thought that because the investigation is kept secret, we thought it was ongoing, and maybe they just didn't want to release it officially at that time. But, as we see that the appeals, the hearings are showing there's no evidence, but yet we have these confessions, it doesn't make any sense. It's as if they are being hidden or taken away.
SCARBOROUGH: You know, you said—talked about June the 10th. That's when you all were told that the confession had been made, and you said that the family actually started a grieving process. What did the family do?
REYNOLDS: You know, grieving is—it's a difficult process. We were all notified. We exchanged phone calls, making sure everyone in the family was notified. I even had to tell my children, very upsetting to them, very upsetting to all of us.
SCARBOROUGH: Wait, Paul. Are you telling me, back on June the 10th, you told your children, based on the confession of one of these—these punks that took Natalee away from the bar, that Natalee was dead? This was over a month ago. You had to break it to your family, the entire family, Natalee's entire family, because of the confessions, knew that she was dead, and yet here we are over a month later, and they are still claiming they don't have enough evidence to nail these guys?
REYNOLDS: That's absolutely correct.
You know, the FBI had informed my sister based on the initial interrogations that that was their belief. That information was given to our family. And it's just—it's a very difficult thing to go through. Grieving should only be a process you have to go through one time.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8551822
Natalee Holloway's Uncle, Paul Reynolds penned a letter to the Editor and sent it to Amigoe, Aruba AM and Aruba Today. He was on MSNBC's Scarborough Country Tuesday night to discuss the letter and related topics.
Below is the unedited text of the letter.
Letter to the Editor
I have been reading Aruba AM, the English Aruban newspaper sent out over the internet. There appears to be a growing backlash against the Holloway family that I am very concerned about. I am sure the people in Aruba wish this investigation could be resolved as much as our family does.
The people in Aruba have been overwhelming supportive of our entire family since Natalie's disappearance. When I arrived on the Island two days after she was reported missing, I was always greeted with expressions of concern and hope for Natalie's return. There are hundreds if not thousands of stories of people coming together and helping each other during this incident. Bernadett from Economy Car Rental, the people at Holiday Inn, the Aruban Government Workers who left work to search the island are just a few of the examples. This is the good story of Aruba . The compassion and desire to help has meant more than you can imagine to our family.
Unfortunately, there are a very small number of individuals that are holding the people of Aruba , the Holloway family and what seems like the whole world hostage. These individuals are not a reflection of the Aruban people or the system of Justice in Aruba . These individuals know what happened and are refusing to accept responsibility for their actions. It also appears that certain individuals may be attempting to protect those individuals that know what happened. Helping them hide from their responsibility will destroy rather than preserve what is left of their lives, hopes and dreams.
The concerns that we have about the investigation are real. It began with the 10 day delay with taking the three original suspects into custody. My sister, Beth and her husband, Jug, arrived on the island the same day Natalie was reported missing. They were able to identify the three individuals she had last been seen with and report this to the police. The three suspects were briefly questioned and released. Their stories turned out to be false and their allegations led to the detainment of two innocent individuals. In a missing person case, every day is critical. Ten days would allow those individuals responsible time to hide evidence and coordinate their stories. What if the missing person was alive in those first few days? The failure to take those individuals into custody and seek evidence may have damaged this investigation beyond repair. Why was this done? Was it an attempt to cover up whatever happened and or protect those individuals involved?
Because the father of one of the suspects is a member of the Judicial system, there was immediate concern on behalf of the family that the investigation might not be fair and objective. The interest and presence of the FBI along with assurances from the US Government and the Prime Minister of Aruba reduced those concerns.
Actions since then have again increased concerns that the investigation is not being done in an objective manner. Why would you refuse assistance from the FBI in resolving a difficult case? Why would you hinder a private search team, composed of a group of volunteers whose director has experienced a similar loss of his own?
The release of two of the suspects is also a matter of concern.
Although the latest (third) story of one of the suspects places him alone with Natalie on the beach, the other two have admitted to lying. Is this not obstruction of justice, interfering with an investigation or conspiracy to cover up a crime? Aren't these illegal activities whether or not you are involved in the actual crime itself? How can these individuals be allowed to go free and possibly leave the country? Why would they lie unless they had knowledge of a crime either before or after the fact? Why would the father of one of the suspects tell all three that without a body, there is no crime?
As you can see, our many questions and concerns are about the investigation, not the Island or the people of Aruba . They are as much a victim of these individuals as we are. Please join us in our request to the Prime Minister of Aruba and the Dutch Authorities to launch an independent investigation of this matter and allow all of us to learn the truth, return Natalie to her home and go forward with our lives.
Respectfully yours,
Paul Reynolds
Natalie Holloway's Uncle
Wednesday, July 06, 2005 at 12:50 AM
http://www.riehlworldview(...)05/week27/index.html
Paul Reynolds
'Scarborough Country' for July 12
July 12, 2005
PAUL REYNOLDS, UNCLE OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: i know that my sister had a meeting with the FBI June 10, Friday. And from that meeting, she became convinced that Natalee was no longer alive. She called her mother and told her that. And our family was—was—began the grieving process.
You know, we were told the report would come out the next day. Later that night, we saw the reports that confessions had been made, that something bad had happened. Shortly thereafter, it was retracted. The next morning, there was a report that said Natalee was confirmed dead. And these reports came from the deputy commissioner. They came from the spokesperson from the Ministry of Justice.
And then, all of a sudden, these statements and these confessions just disappeared.
SCARBOROUGH: And wait a second. I mean, these confessions were so rock solid that you actually had the FBI coming to you, coming to your family, Natalee's family, saying, we are sorry to tell you this, but there has been a confession. One of these boys has confessed, and Natalee is no longer alive.
How do you pull something like that back off the table? Have you had or has your sister had or has anybody in the family had any explanation from Aruban officials whatever happened to this confession, where they buried it?
REYNOLDS: I am not aware of any follow-up information. You know, this seemed to disappear from sight, these confessions did.
At the time, we thought that because the investigation is kept secret, we thought it was ongoing, and maybe they just didn't want to release it officially at that time. But, as we see that the appeals, the hearings are showing there's no evidence, but yet we have these confessions, it doesn't make any sense. It's as if they are being hidden or taken away.
SCARBOROUGH: You know, you said—talked about June the 10th. That's when you all were told that the confession had been made, and you said that the family actually started a grieving process. What did the family do?
REYNOLDS: You know, grieving is—it's a difficult process. We were all notified. We exchanged phone calls, making sure everyone in the family was notified. I even had to tell my children, very upsetting to them, very upsetting to all of us.
SCARBOROUGH: Wait, Paul. Are you telling me, back on June the 10th, you told your children, based on the confession of one of these—these punks that took Natalee away from the bar, that Natalee was dead? This was over a month ago. You had to break it to your family, the entire family, Natalee's entire family, because of the confessions, knew that she was dead, and yet here we are over a month later, and they are still claiming they don't have enough evidence to nail these guys?
REYNOLDS: That's absolutely correct.
You know, the FBI had informed my sister based on the initial interrogations that that was their belief. That information was given to our family. And it's just—it's a very difficult thing to go through. Grieving should only be a process you have to go through one time.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8551822
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
very interesting stuff this.quote:Op maandag 11 februari 2008 02:38 schreef NorthernStar het volgende:
[..]
Peter R. obviously chose the moment. I remember he said something about it along the lines that he could have gone on with the operation, well almost indefinitely. So yes the decision to end it and to bring it out in the open with the broadcast was deliberately chosen. Balkenende's visit could very well have been a factor in that discussion decision. But to what extent, I dont know.
My feeling is, and there are some indications that point in that direction, that Peter R. has done this in coordination with elements within the law enforcement and judiciary. He is well connected anyway so there would be contacts but it seems to me that there's a little more to it. The official story is that Patrick came out of the blue and offered his services to Peter, but is that what really happened? Or was this initiated and organized by elements within the law enforcement? It has also been suggested that Patrick's appearance was arranged by the organized crime. The boundaries between law enforcement and organized crime are probably a bit more murkier anyway on places like Aruba.
If Peter R. is working in coordination with "others" then who knows what will be taken into consideration in their decision making. What interests are in play.
Thats the problem imo, we know nothing about whats going on behind the scenes.
only thing i hope, because of very much at stake in Aruba - nobody will get hurt.
if there's unrest maybe Chavez thinks, lets take sides - i don't think it will be the side of The Netherlands.
mmm... i am going to check the Venezuelan blogs/forums i think.
they must have noticed at least something...
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Dostojewski: "Je kunt je niet van je eigen gezond verstand overtuigen door je buurman op te sluiten."
Wim Dankbaar claims to have solved the JFK murder. He has his own site about this subject. Peter R. went to the USA together with Wim Dankbaar to make a program. Peter mentioned later that he was not too proud about the program.quote:Op maandag 11 februari 2008 05:23 schreef WallOfStars het volgende:
Oh just to clear something up
PrdV als claimed to have solved the JFK murder.
Didnt the guy in the car said: 'higher power" and Joran answered "higher powers"?"quote:I personaly think....Joran was very close to the truth in the car, Just that he switched the name of Daury with his dads the next day.....
Hope some day all 20+ hours of tape come out to see the raw un edited version of his "confessions"
02 - 10 - 2008 / 8:45 p.m. (G.M.T.)
What's Joran's parents' case?
A few weeks ago, the parents of Joran van der Sloot appeared with me in the Dutch talk show Pauw & Witteman. They asserted that Joran was a boy with a good upbringing, who always treated girls with respect. They also stated that if they had any indication that Joran was indeed involved in the disappearance of Natalee, they would have gone to the police immediately.
- BORDERING ON NAÏVITÉ -
On this occasion, Joran’s mother – who was in the Netherlands at the time of Natalee’s disappearance – gave me the impression of a kind, honest woman, who loves her son dearly, but has no idea about what really made him tick. However, even naïveté has its limits, which I feel she should have reached after watching our program.
Especially in the USA, Joran’s father is seen as someone who knows more about the case than he is willing to let on. He was indeed on Aruba at the time of the disappearance, and later advised his son not to say anything to the police during questioning. According to Joran, his father has devoted himself to filing compensation claims.
In conversations recorded by us, Joran expressly denies that his father was involved in Natalee’s disappearance. However, many see his assertion that on the night in question, his ‘helper’ urged him to ‘get home quickly because he had to go to school the next day’, as an indication that his father could indeed be involved.
- SMUGGLED MOBILE PHONE -
There is also something else that Joran admitted to Patrick in some detail. He said that when visiting him in custody after his initial arrest, his father Paul van der Sloot, who was a Judge at the time, smuggled a mobile phone to his son. The story comes across as highly plausible, and implies an unforgivable transgression by the Judge/attorney.
This story, casually related by Joran, could understandably cast Joran’s parents’ role in a very different light from what they would have liked us to believe during Pauw & Witteman. It is, after all, in their best interests that everything Joran has stated be dismissed as fabrications. Any veracity afforded to Joran’s statements will effectively also ‘hang’ his father for smuggling the mobile phone into the prison. In that case, he would undoubtedly be disbarred as an attorney, with his reputation in Aruba in tatters. Until recently, the parents enjoyed a reasonably respected position on the island. That reputation will be history, should it be verified that Paul van der Sloot deliberately sabotaged the investigation into the disappearance that has caused Aruba so much damage.
- REPORTING TO THE POLICE -
If the parents’ earlier pronouncements were in earnest, one would expect that following our program – during which their son admits his involvement no fewer than ten times – they would confront their son saying: ‘enough is enough. We are going to the police and you will tell them everything that happened. You will not reserve your right to remain silent for another instant.’
This did not occur, however. Instead, Joran issued a statement through his attorney, saying that all his pronouncements were made while under the influence of marijuana joints and that his litany of admissions is a bizarre fabrication. Surely the parents must realize that this is a cheap attempt at a cop-out, that actually also works to the benefit of father Paul. If everything is a fabrication, then so is the story about the mobile phone. Contrarily, if everything is in fact true, it will undoubtedly be assumed that the story about the smuggled mobile phone is true as well, with appropriate consequences.
- NO SMOKE WITHOUT FIRE -
Anyone who has done any thinking, or has themselves smoked marijuana, must surely realize that Joran’s story about the joints just doesn’t hold water. During the course of five separate drives, on different days – sometimes separated by more than a week – Joran made extensive confessions. His confession was confirmed and repeated during each subsequent drive. Not once did he say that last time, while under the influence of marijuana, he had been sprouting a lot of hot air. On the contrary. ‘Coincidentally’, the bulk of his admissions fall perfectly in line with the vein of the earlier police investigation, and in them, Joran provides answers to several open-ended questions (how he got home, what he did with his shoes, the involvement of the Kalpoe brothers etc. etc.).
Furthermore, I have to point out that there were several drives during which he either DID NOT smoke marijuana, or only did so AFTER discussing Natalee’s case. The TV footage shows this quite clearly. He made and/or repeated confessions even while he was ‘as sober as a Judge’. Or does Joran now allege that when Patrick came to pick him up him at around noon, he had already got stoned sitting on his grandma’s sofa?
- CONFESSION COMPULSION? -
But even if he was already stoned – which I don’t believe – the question remains whether he would suddenly start to confess to all manner of bizarre crimes of which he is actually innocent? Or would the parents and grandma now like us to believe that he was in the daily habit of confessing to unsolved murders each time he rolled a reefer??? Of course not. A marijuana joint does not have that effect at all. If it did, the corridors of police stations in the Netherlands and elsewhere would be chock-full of marijuana users, spontaneously confessing to all manner of unsolved crimes. That is, of course, not the case. Joran’s story is untenable. In my opinion It's simply the only excuse he could think of to explain his constant confessions – an explanation that suits his parents just fine. After all, it is now also in their best interests….
Peter R. DeVries
http://www.peterrdevries.com/news-parents-joran.htm
What's Joran's parents' case?
A few weeks ago, the parents of Joran van der Sloot appeared with me in the Dutch talk show Pauw & Witteman. They asserted that Joran was a boy with a good upbringing, who always treated girls with respect. They also stated that if they had any indication that Joran was indeed involved in the disappearance of Natalee, they would have gone to the police immediately.
- BORDERING ON NAÏVITÉ -
On this occasion, Joran’s mother – who was in the Netherlands at the time of Natalee’s disappearance – gave me the impression of a kind, honest woman, who loves her son dearly, but has no idea about what really made him tick. However, even naïveté has its limits, which I feel she should have reached after watching our program.
Especially in the USA, Joran’s father is seen as someone who knows more about the case than he is willing to let on. He was indeed on Aruba at the time of the disappearance, and later advised his son not to say anything to the police during questioning. According to Joran, his father has devoted himself to filing compensation claims.
In conversations recorded by us, Joran expressly denies that his father was involved in Natalee’s disappearance. However, many see his assertion that on the night in question, his ‘helper’ urged him to ‘get home quickly because he had to go to school the next day’, as an indication that his father could indeed be involved.
- SMUGGLED MOBILE PHONE -
There is also something else that Joran admitted to Patrick in some detail. He said that when visiting him in custody after his initial arrest, his father Paul van der Sloot, who was a Judge at the time, smuggled a mobile phone to his son. The story comes across as highly plausible, and implies an unforgivable transgression by the Judge/attorney.
This story, casually related by Joran, could understandably cast Joran’s parents’ role in a very different light from what they would have liked us to believe during Pauw & Witteman. It is, after all, in their best interests that everything Joran has stated be dismissed as fabrications. Any veracity afforded to Joran’s statements will effectively also ‘hang’ his father for smuggling the mobile phone into the prison. In that case, he would undoubtedly be disbarred as an attorney, with his reputation in Aruba in tatters. Until recently, the parents enjoyed a reasonably respected position on the island. That reputation will be history, should it be verified that Paul van der Sloot deliberately sabotaged the investigation into the disappearance that has caused Aruba so much damage.
- REPORTING TO THE POLICE -
If the parents’ earlier pronouncements were in earnest, one would expect that following our program – during which their son admits his involvement no fewer than ten times – they would confront their son saying: ‘enough is enough. We are going to the police and you will tell them everything that happened. You will not reserve your right to remain silent for another instant.’
This did not occur, however. Instead, Joran issued a statement through his attorney, saying that all his pronouncements were made while under the influence of marijuana joints and that his litany of admissions is a bizarre fabrication. Surely the parents must realize that this is a cheap attempt at a cop-out, that actually also works to the benefit of father Paul. If everything is a fabrication, then so is the story about the mobile phone. Contrarily, if everything is in fact true, it will undoubtedly be assumed that the story about the smuggled mobile phone is true as well, with appropriate consequences.
- NO SMOKE WITHOUT FIRE -
Anyone who has done any thinking, or has themselves smoked marijuana, must surely realize that Joran’s story about the joints just doesn’t hold water. During the course of five separate drives, on different days – sometimes separated by more than a week – Joran made extensive confessions. His confession was confirmed and repeated during each subsequent drive. Not once did he say that last time, while under the influence of marijuana, he had been sprouting a lot of hot air. On the contrary. ‘Coincidentally’, the bulk of his admissions fall perfectly in line with the vein of the earlier police investigation, and in them, Joran provides answers to several open-ended questions (how he got home, what he did with his shoes, the involvement of the Kalpoe brothers etc. etc.).
Furthermore, I have to point out that there were several drives during which he either DID NOT smoke marijuana, or only did so AFTER discussing Natalee’s case. The TV footage shows this quite clearly. He made and/or repeated confessions even while he was ‘as sober as a Judge’. Or does Joran now allege that when Patrick came to pick him up him at around noon, he had already got stoned sitting on his grandma’s sofa?
- CONFESSION COMPULSION? -
But even if he was already stoned – which I don’t believe – the question remains whether he would suddenly start to confess to all manner of bizarre crimes of which he is actually innocent? Or would the parents and grandma now like us to believe that he was in the daily habit of confessing to unsolved murders each time he rolled a reefer??? Of course not. A marijuana joint does not have that effect at all. If it did, the corridors of police stations in the Netherlands and elsewhere would be chock-full of marijuana users, spontaneously confessing to all manner of unsolved crimes. That is, of course, not the case. Joran’s story is untenable. In my opinion It's simply the only excuse he could think of to explain his constant confessions – an explanation that suits his parents just fine. After all, it is now also in their best interests….
Peter R. DeVries
http://www.peterrdevries.com/news-parents-joran.htm
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
No I agree. My comment was was only about the question if they have the means. They probably do, and so do the Dutch, but we wont hear about it anyway. Not at this stage at least. Its no little matter if PVDS actually has done this. Thats a whole new scandal right there. And serious enough for the highest circles to get involved.quote:Op maandag 11 februari 2008 06:17 schreef observer777 het volgende:
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The FBI may have the tools to Investigate,but they will not get involved unless the Arubans ask them to pertaining to crimes that happened in Aruba. Trust me on this.
If it is true he's done. He will lose everything.quote:Also Rudy Croes and Jossy Mansur spoke out the other day and said they will look into Jorans cell phone use in the KIA. If it is true,they may kick PVDS off of the Govt Prison Committee,Hospital and whatever other committees he is on. There was a article about that on SM FP.
this connects to Maurice de Hond and Ernest Louwes.quote:Op maandag 11 februari 2008 07:40 schreef kinkajoe het volgende:
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Wim Dankbaar claims to have solved the JFK murder. He has his own site about this subject. Peter R. went to the USA together with Wim Dankbaar to make a program. Peter mentioned later that he was not too proud about the program.
Peter R. says Louwes is rightfully convicted.
Maurice and Wim Dankbaar think he is innocent
Wim Dankbaar hacked into Peter R. mailbox and the police searched Maurice house and took copies of his hard disks.
i don't read Maurice site but i think he might be be bashing Peter R. because of the Louwes case.
http://www.maurice.nl/
Dostojewski: "Je kunt je niet van je eigen gezond verstand overtuigen door je buurman op te sluiten."
Dutch Cameraman and a Reporter are on the Persistence. This is todays update!
The Persistence will be on the Greta show tomorrow evening . Tim spent the day aboard the boat yesterday and so far all is a go! This is great. They are out today and the dutch news guys I am told are getting sick over the rail.... about 12 foot seas.... John said they are not doing well... I hope this doesn't deter them from helping!
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Although slow, this approach is extremely effective in marine search and recovery. Since the beginning, the search has been privately funded by Louis Schaefer Jr. of Underwater Expeditions who remarkably and gracefully accepted the financial burden when requested by Texas Equusearch and Natalee's parents. John Silvetti of Marine Surveys, Greg Landry of Offshore Innovative Solutions, Erik McGuire of Seatronics, along with Agiosat and Wilkens Weather Service came beside Louis to conduct this humanitarian effort. To put this search effort in financial perspective, an equivalent search conducted for industry would involve costs well exceeding several million dollars. This project has been conducted for about 35 cents on the dollar, with costs still exceeding a million dollars.
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"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
The disagreement between Dankbaar and Peter R. started earlier I think. The hacking of the e-mails was because of the DMZ. Peter was not allowed to give his opinion about the DMZ. There were more computers hacked (even from lawyers) in the same period.quote:Op maandag 11 februari 2008 08:37 schreef Caesu het volgende:
[sub]this connects to Maurice de Hond and Ernest Louwes.
Peter R. says Louwes is rightfully convicted.
Maurice and Wim Dankbaar think he is innocent
Wim Dankbaar hacked into Peter R. mailbox and the police searched Maurice house and took copies of his hard disks.
i don't read Maurice site but i think he might be be bashing Peter R. because of the Louwes case.
This is off topic but there are 21 parts on this forum about DMZ with links etc. etc.
Exactly the same happens in the Holloway case (bashing Nathalee and her family) as what happened in the DMZ.
If you think someone is innocent there is no need to hack computers
and there is also no need to intimidate citizens.
Observer 777,
Don't you think there is more chance on the island?
I hope you'r write, but I think there is more change to find evidence on the island.
Don't you think there is more chance on the island?
I hope you'r write, but I think there is more change to find evidence on the island.
Yep Maurice and his comrades where furious with Peter R. because he wouldnt go along with their theories. Maurice et al where orchestrating a big media campaign trying to change public opinion about the suspect -even multiple times convicted- Ernst Louwes. Along comes Peter R. who had already looked into the case earlier and states he wont change his opinion about Louwes. This infuriates Maurice et al because Peter R.'s word carries alot of clout and he is considered impartial. Major spoiler for Maurice his party.quote:Op maandag 11 februari 2008 09:22 schreef kinkajoe het volgende:
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The disagreement between Dankbaar and Peter R. started earlier I think. The hacking of the e-mails was because of the DMZ. Peter was not allowed to give his opinion about the DMZ. There were more computers hacked (even from lawyers) in the same period.
This is off topic but there are 21 parts on this forum about DMZ with links etc. etc.
Exactly the same happens in the Holloway case (bashing Nathalee and her family) as what happened in the DMZ.
If you think someone is innocent there is no need to hack computers
I am convinced all the evidence was destroyed back in May/June 2005. To seek the truth you have to go back to that time as since then everything has been in the wrong direction. I don't think there is any evidence anymore except if they can locate Natalee,it is crucial they find her! To solve this case someone has to speak up or the wall of this cover up has to come down. I haven't seen even a incling of either happening. To be honest I haven't seen anything go right for Natalee since she dissapeared but I hope the recent events have given the public a glimpse of the truth and that they demand answers in Aruba. She deserves a honest Investigation for once and so do the Aruban people,the people that were in charge of the initial Investigation need to be interrogated or this case may never be solved.quote:Op maandag 11 februari 2008 09:35 schreef kinkajoe het volgende:
Observer 777,
Don't you think there is more chance on the island?
I hope you'r write, but I think there is more change to find evidence on the island.
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I have a feeling this will be a very big week..Everyone please say a special prayer for Natalee
Natalee Holloway - Have You Seen Her
http://youtube.com/watch?v=z5T9oUoQBbk
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"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
I fully agree with that! One of the most important things to do is to go back to where it started and to find out were, when and why things went in de wrong direction.quote:Op maandag 11 februari 2008 09:54 schreef observer777 het volgende:
I am convinced all the evidence was destroyed back in May/June 2005. To seek the truth you have to go back to that time as since then everything has been in the wrong direction.
Maurice is remarkable quiet about the Van der Sloot-scandal.quote:Op maandag 11 februari 2008 09:51 schreef NorthernStar het volgende:
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Yep Maurice and his comrades where furious with Peter R. because he wouldnt go along with their theories. Maurice et al where orchestrating a big media campaign trying to change public opinion about the suspect -even multiple times convicted- Ernst Louwes. Along comes Peter R. who had already looked into the case earlier and states he wont change his opinion about Louwes. This infuriates Maurice et al because Peter R.'s word carries alot of clout and he is considered impartial. Major spoiler for Maurice his party.
i did look at his site. he isn't negative at all.
in other words he realizes he shoudn't even attempt to embarras himself this time.
Dostojewski: "Je kunt je niet van je eigen gezond verstand overtuigen door je buurman op te sluiten."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ko3XpZOBod0&feature=related
This video is from 30 nov 2006 where Beth says Joran had confessed to interrogators that he raped Natalee? Is this true?
This video is from 30 nov 2006 where Beth says Joran had confessed to interrogators that he raped Natalee? Is this true?
WEB / [HaxBall #64] Jos is God
Arguing on the Internet is like running in the Special Olympics.
Arguing on the Internet is like running in the Special Olympics.
Observer 777,quote:Op maandag 11 februari 2008 12:24 schreef -jos- het volgende:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ko3XpZOBod0&feature=related
This video is from 30 nov 2006 where Beth says Joran had confessed to interrogators that he raped Natalee? Is this true?
Do you have the confession that Nathalee's mother claims to have in which Joran confessed dat he raped Nathalee at the house?
Do I hear this right? The K-brothers on a video with a 14-year old? Nobody does anything against it?
This is OK on Aruba?
Laat ik dat nou zien gebeuren hierquote:Op maandag 11 februari 2008 01:43 schreef NorthernStar het volgende:
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sow doubts and confusion, trying to influence public opinion, and when public opinion has sufficiently been molded, try to use public opinion as their own tool in exerting pressure unto the authorities.
Ik ben niet labiel. Ik ben emotioneel flexibel.
Ik denk zeker dat bij veel mensen de motivatie in het begin wel zuiver was; bij m.n. onze Amerikaanse vrienden zie je nu gaandeweg dat ook andere motieven een rol spelen. Afkeer tegen overheden en een zekere tendentie om in complotten en cover-ups te denken. Afkeer tegen liberals. Zelfs een beetje xenofobie (?).quote:Op maandag 11 februari 2008 13:16 schreef BwennieBren het volgende:
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Laat ik dat nou zien gebeuren hier
I´m back.
Een beetje?quote:Op maandag 11 februari 2008 13:32 schreef Ryan3 het volgende:
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Ik denk zeker dat bij veel mensen de motivatie in het begin wel zuiver was; bij m.n. onze Amerikaanse vrienden zie je nu gaandeweg dat ook andere motieven een rol spelen. Afkeer tegen overheden en een zekere tendentie om in complotten en cover-ups te denken. Afkeer tegen liberals. Zelfs een beetje xenofobie (?).
Zeg maar gerust: genoeg. Ik word eerlijk gezegd een beetje moe van bepaalde aannames die bij onze Amerikaanse vrienden van SM (laat ik het maar een naam geven) spelen. M.i. gaat het allemaal een beetje te ver. Maar goed, er zijn altijd lezers die ervan smullen natuurlijk.
Ik ben niet labiel. Ik ben emotioneel flexibel.
Kennelijk stoort het je erg dat er mensen zijn die het allemaal maar raar vinden, die bekentenis van Joran in combinatie met zijn voorgeschiedenis.quote:Op maandag 11 februari 2008 13:45 schreef BwennieBren het volgende:
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Een beetje?
Nathalee is wel verdwenen na te zijn vertrokken met Joran en vrienden.
Heb ik het hier over Joranquote:Op maandag 11 februari 2008 13:51 schreef kinkajoe het volgende:
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Kennelijk stoort het je erg dat er mensen zijn die het allemaal maar raar vinden, die bekentenis van Joran in combinatie met zijn voorgeschiedenis.
Nathalee is wel verdwenen na te zijn vertrokken met Joran en vrienden.
Als ik geintereseerd ben hoe mensen over bepaalde dingen denken in deze zaak dan zoek ik als het even kan altijd even terug, jij niet? Kan het wel begrijpen hoor, zal best teveel moeite zijn. He?quote:Op woensdag 6 februari 2008 13:54 schreef BwennieBren het volgende:
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Hi observer777,
Do I come from an Anti-Beth site? No, not that I know of, is FOK an anti-Beth site? I suppose that you are posting on the wrong forum then
FYI make no mistake, I think Joran and his father are scum and lying mofu's. However, I don't agree completely with the actions of the family of Natalee, the Aruban boycot for example, yep, imo a BS action. In this I agree with Scorpie. Also, it didn't help the case any further.
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Ik ben niet labiel. Ik ben emotioneel flexibel.
Ik ben pas sinds de berichten van Johan 555 en de uitzending bij Paul en Witteman geinteresseerd geraakt.quote:[
Als ik geintereseerd ben hoe mensen over bepaalde dingen denken in deze zaak dan zoek ik als het even kan altijd even terug, jij niet? Kan het wel begrijpen hoor, zal best teveel moeite zijn. He?
Ook ik denk niet dat half Aruba in het complot zit, maar sluit het (vooralsnog) ook niet uit.
Vandaar ook dat ik Observer vraag of hij een verklaring kan laten zien waarin Joran bekent dat hij Nathalee heeft verkracht in dat huis. Als het waar is wat in dat fimpje gezegd wordt, moet het niet zo'n probleem zijn die verklaringen op Internet te zetten.
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Die verklaring is m.i. alleen maar gebaseerd op de verklaring van Joran dd 14 juni 2005 dat ze naar het huis van Joran zijn gereden.quote:Op maandag 11 februari 2008 14:17 schreef kinkajoe het volgende:
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Ik ben pas sinds de berichten van Johan 555 en de uitzending bij Paul en Witteman geinteresseerd geraakt.
Ook ik denk niet dat half Aruba in het complot zit, maar sluit het (vooralsnog) ook niet uit.
Vandaar ook dat ik Observer vraag of hij een verklaring kan laten zien waarin Joran bekent dat hij Nathalee heeft verkracht in dat huis. Als het waar is wat in dat fimpje gezegd wordt, moet het niet zo'n probleem zijn die verklaringen op Internet te zetten.
laatste alinea
Ik ben niet labiel. Ik ben emotioneel flexibel.
@ BwennieBren,
Dus ze gingen volgens Joran "even stoppen voor het huis van Joran" met de auto van Deepak.
Vreemd, maar geen bekentenis van een verkrachting in dat huis.
Als de Amerikaanse TV beweert dat ze een verklaring hebben dat Joran etc. etc., zullen ze die ook moeten kunnen laten zien. Je kunt wel van alles gaan roepen.
Misschien komt Observer777 of iemand van Scared Monkeys later nog met zo'n verklaring.
Dus ze gingen volgens Joran "even stoppen voor het huis van Joran" met de auto van Deepak.
Vreemd, maar geen bekentenis van een verkrachting in dat huis.
Als de Amerikaanse TV beweert dat ze een verklaring hebben dat Joran etc. etc., zullen ze die ook moeten kunnen laten zien. Je kunt wel van alles gaan roepen.
Misschien komt Observer777 of iemand van Scared Monkeys later nog met zo'n verklaring.
En DAT bedoel ik dus... vooralsnog zijn er niet veel werkelijke bewijzen snap je?quote:Op maandag 11 februari 2008 14:59 schreef kinkajoe het volgende:
@ BwennieBren,
Dus ze gingen volgens Joran "even stoppen voor het huis van Joran" met de auto van Deepak.
Vreemd, maar geen bekentenis van een verkrachting in dat huis.
Als de Amerikaanse TV beweert dat ze een verklaring hebben dat Joran etc. etc., zullen ze die ook moeten kunnen laten zien. Je kunt wel van alles gaan roepen.
Misschien komt Observer777 of iemand van Scared Monkeys later nog met zo'n verklaring.
Overigens las ik in de verklaring van Deepak Kalpoe dd 13 juli 2005 (pagina 4)
Natalee zou gezien zijn door een van haar familileden samen met Joran in de middag van 13 juli?
De camerabeelden die er van Joran en Natalee zijn, zijn van het Excelsior Casino in het Holliday Inn hotel en niet van het Wyndham Casino.
Ik ben niet labiel. Ik ben emotioneel flexibel.
i asked maurice to join the tropic
Wanneer domme mensen domme dingen beweren, dan moet je ze niet corrigeren, maar glimlachend gelijk geven.
Nee, als de Twitty's met vrienden en PVDS bij de Wyndham gaan kijken (joran zat daar in een tournament) zegt één van de medewerksters dat ze de foto van Natalee herkend als iemand die samen met een lange jongen daar 'smiddags zou zijn geweest. Dat is volgens mij 31/05/2005... Maar er zijn verder geen meldingen meer over, dus kon e.e.a. niet bevestigd worden, denk ik...quote:Op maandag 11 februari 2008 15:29 schreef BwennieBren het volgende:
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En DAT bedoel ik dus... vooralsnog zijn er niet veel werkelijke bewijzen snap je?
Overigens las ik in de verklaring van Deepak Kalpoe dd 13 juli 2005 (pagina 4)
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Natalee zou gezien zijn door een van haar familileden samen met Joran in de middag van 13 juli?
De camerabeelden die er van Joran en Natalee zijn, zijn van het Excelsior Casino in het Holliday Inn hotel en niet van het Wyndham Casino.
Uit het verhoor van PVDS op 23/06/2005:
I asked him where he was and the told me he was at the “Wyndham”. That he was at the “Wyndham” did not surprise me at that moment. He was supposed to be playing in the “Free tournament” there. That could also be a clue that I indeed did not see him after I had dropped him off at the “Racquet Club”. I told him that people wanted to talk to him with regard to a girl that had gone missing and that I would come to where he was. I then got into the police-car and the whole group drove over to the “Wyndham”. I walked towards the casino that was locking up. I could not see Joran there and I again called him on his mobile phone. He answered and told me that he was at home now.
To your question whether I told Joran who were with me, I can state the following. I cannot remember whether I did.
A few people in the group showed the picture of the missing woman to several members of staff at the casino. At least one of the women said that she had seen the girl a few hours earlier in the company of a tall boy. Serious discussions took place but I suggested that we should go to my house again because that was where Joran had gone to.
To your question whether, in front of the casino, I had mistakenly thought someone was Joran and pointe him out, I can state the following. I cannot remember whether I did. Maybe I did see a tall boy and from a distance mistook him for Joran and walked into that direction.
I once again entered the police car and the whole group followed me to my house. When we arrived there I found Joran together with Deepak, leaning against the car. I asked Joran why he did not stay at the Wyndham and he said that he must have misunderstood
This statement is about May 31, when the family arrived and met Deepak and Joran at the VDS home. The casino they are talking about is the security tape of Natalee and Joran playing blackjack on the same table. This is to my knowledge not the Wyndham Casino but the HI Casino.quote:Op maandag 11 februari 2008 15:29 schreef BwennieBren het volgende:
Natalee zou gezien zijn door een van haar familileden samen met Joran in de middag van 13 juli?
De camerabeelden die er van Joran en Natalee zijn, zijn van het Excelsior Casino in het Holliday Inn hotel en niet van het Wyndham Casino.
Joran did play in Wyndham on Monday though. Could be a mixup.
Where facts are few, experts are many.
Ik word een beetje moe van die meningen die als feiten gebracht worden.
I liked it. I was good at it. It made me feel alive.
Wat jij zegt.quote:Op maandag 11 februari 2008 17:02 schreef Harajuku. het volgende:
Ik word een beetje moe van die meningen die als feiten gebracht worden.
Was just watching pieces of tape again and saw the following. Joran mentioned in the car tapes that he only knew/has been with Natalee for 2 days, then correcting himself by saying "oh 1 day, I met her that day". This actually gives the idea that he was not yet finished disposing her on the first night and he got busy with it again the day after? Bah, sometimes I wished it would be just a scary movie and soon we will see the end of it 
Where facts are few, experts are many.
