Natalee Holloway (in the rebound) #4

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Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 03:29 schreef observer777 het volgende:

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Sure,I was just called pathetic and doing all this for attention and have done nothing,how did you expect me to respond? All this from a few who are just here for diversions and to spend there time attacking people and derailing the thread and the truth. I noticed you said nothing to them but included yourself as one of them. Since you read all my posts and it's so easy to discredit them and they are mostly assumptions name one thing I was wrong about? I already told you I don't have this on Video or a smoking gun,If I did this case would be solved and none of us would be here.Like your first post stated,you swallowed the dis-information story hook like and sinker and I have no clue why you are attacking the truth of 2.5 years of research,unless you have other motives. If you don't want to learn the truth then don't listen! Maybe you should go back to RU because apparently that is where you are getting your information. I expected that here in this Forum but I already know there is plenty of people here that want to know the truth and appreciate the research that has been done since May 30th 2005. It's a shame that you are confusing opinions with trolls,who won't stop attacking me until I leave this forum. All so people here at FOK don't hear the truth as we know it.

I had people here saying that it was BS that it was reported there was blood in the car,I posted a enormous amount of links. I did the same thing with Jorans confession and many other topics. Did I have a video of Joran confessing in June 2005? Did I claim to have one? No,I simply stated it was reported all over the American Media which I provided the links as the first hand account from the Diario reporter who witnessed it. Some like the Cover up,I posted relevent information but there is tons more as it has happened since the first day and is a enormous amount of info.! We have been on to the trolls,dis-information team,paid plants,friends of the perps and the weird internet people since the very beginning. They didn't stop me then and they certainly wont stop me now from trying to learn the full truth. I hope that the people just starting to learn about this case are aware of them because opinion is one thing but being one of them is another.

First of all Observer, this is a Dutch forum, totally different than SM. People here have their own opinion about things. Second of all, I know you have done a lot of work over the past 2/3 years in this case but for most of the Dutch it has just begun after Peter de Vries opened this case again.

How difficult would it be for you to ignore some of the posters. For me its not. Simply, if I am irritated about something on a forum, i'd hit that nice little white X in the upper rightside corner. You know what I mean? Also I think you are reacting way too emotional in this case.

BTW why would I say something to the posters that you think attacks you? Would you protect me if I was bashed here? No better, did you protect MadMaster (or whatever his name was) on SM when he got so many unfriendly posts cause he just had another opinion? And FYI I do not discredit all your post but some of them yes, I don't share your vision, it's to farfetched. And if I say so and if you want to call that an attack, oh well, suits me.

Also, how do you know I swallowed the disinformation? Have I told you that? Did I wrote it down here somewhere or did I just asked you to clarify some questions I had? I already told you I was interested in several aspects in this matter, so don't turn my words around, I know exactly what I have written down here. You also seem to know which sites I surf regarding this matter.... strange.... it seems that you can think what I think. Mmmmm....

With my post to you I try to explain to you in a reasonable and respectfull way that posting on this forum is different than on SM and of course a lot of the FOK posters are interested in your findings but don't expect that everybody here shares your vision. And really... I really can't find here that anybody said to you to leave this forum or stop giving the info. Do you? And if their would be one or two who said that. oh well, its not he end of the world is it?

Think what you want to think but don't put words in my/our mouth(s) or thoughts what I/we did not said or did not do. Just an advise, maybe you should post here differently than you do at SM. By that, I don't mean your findings in the case and maybe less hostile toward others who have another opinion. It's just an advise, do whatever you want dear. The reactions you get on this case will sometimes be positive and sometimes negative, I can only say: deal with it!

Yes , it's all clear now, take it to your local police office and they will guide you along.

Just look at it as being this, even last night, Peter,has some trouble with jet-lag, shows up at a show in NL they ask and ask..how was it etc...but the deal was I show up and promote the book my right-hand Kees made of all the Peter R. de Vries show-work work we did and how we did it.
What happened is that they talked about the book for 30 seconds and then Peter said,,this is not what we made a contract of...anyways..Peter made a dutch statement but the story is still not ended...

http://www.depers.nl/ente(...)schond-afspraak.html

Yes the jetlag is very important in this case.

Observer 777..you know..they are here now..just see to pick them out and if they really bother just report them to anyone..

LOL..did you read more? btw kraak?

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Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 04:26 schreef letsgetthiscasesolved het volgende:
Observer 777..you know..they are here now..just see to pick them out and if they really bother just report them to anyone..

Who is here now? And what does Observer has to report?

Um Observer I'd like to ask you a question. A few posts back I saw your posts about hairs being found and more. But the date that news came out was from 2005. Now, I may be wrong, but if it had anything to do with Natalee, it would be brought up now by Peter or whoever don't you think? I'd say it would at least be still on the news or anything but I don't read or see anything about it anymore.

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Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 04:29 schreef I.B het volgende:
Um Observer I'd like to ask you a question. A few posts back I saw your posts about hairs being found and more. But the date that news came out was from 2005. Now, I may be wrong, but if it had anything to do with Natalee, it would be brought up now by Peter or whoever don't you think? I'd say it would at least be still on the news or anything but I don't read or see anything about it anymore.

ahhh fresh monkeys, welcome

u2 btw letsgetthiscasesolved

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Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 04:28 schreef letsgetthiscasesolved het volgende:
LOL..did you read more? btw kraak?

I'm still busy translating, a serious reply will come.

Right observer..I found out the same thing...good to see I wasn't wrong...but I already met reading and you reporting at least two one was the Man....with his holliday and at the arubans..

Kraaksandaal: ROFL..I laughed already...skip the translation..aruban?
want this to be solved, get rid of Sloot or what?

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Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 04:30 schreef BwennieBren het volgende:

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ahhh fresh monkeys, welcome

u2 btw letsgetthiscasesolved

Thanks! Well I'm not from SM but I'll write in english here because I see Observer's english.. sometimes I don't know the words but I'll do the best I can

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Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 04:35 schreef letsgetthiscasesolved het volgende:
Kraaksandaal: ROFL..I laughed already...skip the translation..aruban?
want this to be solved, get rid of Sloot or what?

Wat een belachelijke opmerking en typ eens in het Nederlands

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Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 04:11 schreef observer777 het volgende:

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We followed Mr.De Vries work very closely in his first show about Natalee but I have not heard him explain what he fully thinks happened. Only that he says mysterious events and the father knows more and that they were at the beach. It is known Joran had drugged girls in the past,it all adds up in the PV'S and witness accounts as well as his latest confession. 18 year old girls do not die like that for no reason and people do not hide bodies like that if it was a accident or she killed herself,nor do they lie and block the home from ever being searched if they had nothing to hide. When I gave just a tad bit of my theory it was from so many sources of info that is very logical and backs up the real events of everything since day one and also things that Joran has done before Natalee arrived in Aruba. It is not just my theory but many who have followed this closely at SM.

Yes, well. I've read that before, that bit about that Joran used party drugs to rape girls, I asked whether there was any proof, other then rumors, but I'd never gotten any answer really. And yes an 18 year old kid does not die like that, that's true. So mysterious, suspisous even, it'll remain. Unless you have proof that Joran used to rape girls after he drugged them.

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I can't wait for his next show as hopefully he has more. I know you all aren't his biggest fans but there is no one else that is making a impact on solving this case.

That was just an interview in an talk show called 'De wereld draait door'.

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Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 03:15 schreef letsgetthiscasesolved het volgende:
Well see, those are good questions...but don't get too hard on observer777 he has seen it all in 2 + years..may be he says, just all go to ... and find the info yourself..the things they digged up the last years..i'm convident that it's more than Hans Mos has..because they wrecked all the info when he started, yes, from scratch with nothing, was probably all shredded..that's why they have 2+ more info on us

all the info is on Aruba, no doubt. inside the building of the OM.
but nobody has the balls to come forward because heads are going to roll because of incompetence.

this Aruba thing is very messed up in all sort of ways.
there is talk of independence since 1986. then they said within 10 years.
justice minister Croes says he doesn't like his Dutch passport.
prime minister Oduber als talks about indepence sometimes.
friday Croes and Hirsch Ballin were hitting at eachother in covert press releases.
Croes said: don't send me bad Dutchies (Joran), if you are going to send me bad Arubans.
(Hirsch Ballin wants to make a law sending bad Arubans/Antillans back).
that says a lot. why not send them to prison?
friday will be interesting to see how Balkenende behaves on Aruba.
Hirsch Ballin is also around, but i doubt he will even go to Aruba, because then he has te meet his rival Croes.
and they are pretending it is a low-key visit.
just ask around people you meet: how many of them know Balkenende is visiting the Antilles/Aruba this week?? very few.
but it is one of the most important visits in years by Balkenende regarding the Kingdom.

and then on top of that: the Natalee / van der Sloot-scandal.

i really don't know how they are going to spin this thing.

if you ask me to make a very wild prediction Aruba might declare indepence and Joran will never be prosecuted on Aruba. Joran made those outrageous comments in the car while he was in driving around in The Netherlands. are those comments in itself not reason enough for TBS. i don't know. what a mess.
that happens when the economy is more important than the justice department.

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Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 04:20 schreef observer777 het volgende:

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I went back several times to research every blog in June 2005 and was stunned to see these trolls infiltrated every single blog since the very beginning. Alot of them use many names and are payed by the ATA to lie and slander the victim,spread wrong info and to protect Aruba's image. Others are just creepy internet people and a few are friends of JK2. In the end it is the Aruban Govt who bankrolled this and they have never let up. They did a little bit of this to others who went missing before Natalee. You can find many of those posters at RU and FOB2. They are reading here and I am sure I will be attacked once again very soon.

This is what the mean by They...


wiki this one (this is just an example)
the Rendon group. Media Managment to the full and best...

The rendon group is not involved in this. But other wich do the same are.

Remember were Aruba is located, and it has NOTHING todo with tourists.

Observer777: could you provide me info on the attacks on you.
John 8:32

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Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 04:38 schreef Morwen het volgende:

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Wat een belachelijke opmerking en typ eens in het Nederlands

Oh god het is nog wakker

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Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 04:39 schreef BwennieBren het volgende:

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Oh god het is nog wakker

'It' is still awake you mean?
Anyway, I'm off, 'loeter' as we say in Holland. .

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Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 04:42 schreef Ryan3 het volgende:

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'It' is still awake you mean?
Anyway, I'm off, 'loeter' as we say in Holland. .

loeter Ryan sleep tight, don't let the bedbugs bite

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Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 04:35 schreef letsgetthiscasesolved het volgende:
Kraaksandaal: ROFL..I laughed already...skip the translation..aruban?
want this to be solved, get rid of Sloot or what?

Me has some nize connection to Aruba the sunny islannd in the sun.
And yes this case is demestating for this small island.

To Morwen: Ja man als ik het in nl kon doen, geen probleem.
Maar goed, de naam is sloot, ik heb een vriend die heeft een boot....

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Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 04:44 schreef kraaksandaal het volgende:

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Me has some nize connection to Aruba the sunny islannd in the sun.
And yes this case is demestating for this small island.

Is that it? The serious post you mean?

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Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 04:39 schreef BwennieBren het volgende:

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Oh god het is nog wakker

Jah, alleen ben ik hier geen mod Was sneller als het licht dicht, Engels gezwam en ook nog totaal oninteressant>Yeah, read this and I am no Joran fan, maar ik kan wel normaal typen. Try it. Really

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Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 04:39 schreef BwennieBren het volgende:

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Oh god het is nog wakker

Gut wat een zinloze opmerking.

kunnen we aub on topic blijven ONZIN is ergens anders.

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Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 04:46 schreef Morwen het volgende:

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Jah, alleen ben ik hier geen mod Was sneller als het licht dicht, Engels gezwam en ook nog totaal oninteressant>Yeah, read this and I am no Joran fan, maar ik kan wel normaal typen. Try it. Really

Sjulle we dan maar es naar ons mandje gaan Mor, saampies, gesjellug

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Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 04:44 schreef letsgetthiscasesolved het volgende:
To Morwen: Ja man als ik het in nl kon doen, geen probleem.
Maar goed, de naam is sloot, ik heb een vriend die heeft een boot....

Echt hoor, get a life

I still have one question (sorry I'm new and already posting my ass off) that keeps bothering me.. Joran said the size of his shoes were size 14, but he actually has size 11.4 or something right? That's what I read.. that's really a difference in sizes, and definitally with walking on a beach.. I don't know why he'd say he has a bigger size of shoes that he actually has.. especially since the shoes haven't been found so why would he say that? Why would he say at all that he left his shoes behind when nobody asks about it?

Hey kraak: I have a licence plate: One Happy island...sorry.. i threw it at the garbage last week..not funny anymore at least to say..if you know something or are just a troll..sorry, but we have our hearts,pride and mind!!

When the shoes would be found......he could then explaine that they weren't his.

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Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 04:48 schreef BwennieBren het volgende:

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Sjulle we dan maar es naar ons mandje gaan Mor, saampies, gesjellug

Uhhm, nee, maar dat is niet persoonlijk

Ik hou wel van die stervende muisjes

IB: as far as I know he has 10.5 and lied about it

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Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 04:49 schreef observer777 het volgende:

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This looks like the same lying crap she put out last year. Right?

YEP

Observer777:Yes almost the same and then she says she has new info..keep in mind S-she works for them

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Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 04:50 schreef Morwen het volgende:

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Uhhm, nee, maar dat is niet persoonlijk

Ik hou wel van die stervende muisjes

now well then i go alone all by myself, because i verveel me a bit and so...
and i only like mices when they are lying on my bread, in chocolate, dead, in cremebutter

By all! Have a nice day/night whatever

Observer777: could you provide me info on the attacks on you. Or link to the blog or website.

John 8:32

Sloots

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Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 04:49 schreef observer777 het volgende:

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This looks like the same lying crap she put out last year. Right?

witheet

there is also Steve Brown. he hates Peter R. guts.
not sure why. his blogs are so ridiculious it is funny.
here he is kicking Peter R.
http://www.dumpert.nl/med(...)/komt_die_schop.html

so without even reading witheet they must be making up stories.

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Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 04:53 schreef BwennieBren het volgende:

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now well then i go alone all by myself, because i verveel me a bit and so...
and i only like mices when they are lying on my bread, in chocolate, dead, in cremebutter

By all! Have a nice day/night whatever

Bye, Bwen, ben er ook weg van Vert: Bye, Bwen, I am of too

Neem mij niet serieus, daar heb ik anderen voor

Brown has a derayled drugs case to solve with peter which didn't exist..still..steve want's to show peter he's something..with slippertje..to my honest believing..steve is now a writer and peter is trying to get rid off al this fuss..so the vendetta stays....

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Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 04:48 schreef letsgetthiscasesolved het volgende:
Hey kraak: I have a licence plate: One Happy island...sorry.. i threw it at the garbage last week..not funny anymore at least to say..if you know something or are just a troll..sorry, but we have our hearts,pride and mind!!

I know everething about smoking pot there, problem is in this case, there is no dead body.
Yes the Sloot guy talks allot of rubbish, maybe he just don't knew where he was and maybe he exactly knew.
Who can say?

Caesu: Witheet is helaas korrel zout, en veel gejatte info..maar stan en steve zijn debaters...

Sorry for the mix-up Observer.. I don't get the bloody mattrass.. they say it's dog's blood because Joran killed one with a paintgun (I really wanna know if this was on purpose) but how could the shirt be involved in the case? If it was then Joran, the Kalpoe-brothers or Natalee had to wear this on that night but then everyone or at least her girlfriends would have seen it.. and that's not the case otherwise this would be really important evidence in the case.