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I have some good questions that puzzled me and may be you have the answers:
Rudy Croes: why is he mad/ abandonning the Sloots?
Is there a 2way war on aruba between...say 1 and 2 without saying they are workers and elite..but just one is mansur and one is the rest? If so, it will explain a lot..is there any rivalty?
Rudy Croes: why is he mad/ abandonning the Sloots?
Is there a 2way war on aruba between...say 1 and 2 without saying they are workers and elite..but just one is mansur and one is the rest? If so, it will explain a lot..is there any rivalty?
information about the truth doesnt change over time. And all the info on SM is a lot of hypothetical, and assumptions.quote:Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 02:38 schreef letsgetthiscasesolved het volgende:
Mensen, mensen, easy on the canadian dude..
Hij meent het goed, er staat TE veel info op SM..dat is het probleem, maar er staat zeker goede info die te gebruiken is...vergeet niet hun zijn zeker 2 jaar verder als wij qua berichtgeving...geeft je ook te denken he?
Observer 777 please go on and post your relevant info, thanks!
The truth will not be known, for the next 15 years. (statue of limitation of murder is 18 years, i think aruba has almost the same laws as the Netherlands)
Joran told as much as he knows, he doesnt know what happend to the body.
(I assume his DAD coverd his back)
But all those people at SM talk as if there is PROOF that would stand up in court, it not! It wouldn't stand up in a US court if it would have been a beach in Florida.
I can give you 100+ muders in the US that aren't solved, but ofcourse that's not a White girl from Alabama on vacation
YES Joran was with natalee when she DIED, (His own words thinks the recording data 29 Jan 2008)
Natalee DIED, reason......ONLY speculation's. (Trembling/shakking doesnt sound like an alcohol overdose)
Then it gets intressting....Who cleared the body.....
Jorans own words, The person sends him home. and knew about his exames the next day. Friends dont provide that kind of service (he would have been asked to help himself together with that friend)
Parents however DO. well his mother was out of the country. so that leaves, his Dad.
NOW PROVE THAT. then you can sleep wel again.
Welcome Mr. President, How can we serve you,
Well, first of all you'll have to proof then that they drove to the Van der Sloot estate instead of driving to the beach, don't you?quote:Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 03:03 schreef WallOfStars het volgende:
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information about the truth doesnt change over time. And all the info on SM is a lot of hypothetical, and assumptions.
The truth will not be known, for the next 15 years. (statue of limitation of murder is 18 years, i think aruba has almost the same laws as the Netherlands)
Joran told as much as he knows, he doesnt know what happend to the body.
(I assume his DAD coverd his back)
But all those people at SM talk as if there is PROOF that would stand up in court, it not! It wouldn't stand up in a US court if it would have been a beach in Florida.
I can give you 100+ muders in the US that aren't solved, but ofcourse that's not a White girl from Alabama on vacation
YES Joran was with natalee when she DIED, (His own words thinks the recording data 29 Jan 2008)
Natalee DIED, reason......ONLY speculation's. (Trembling/shakking doesnt sound like an alcohol overdose)
Then it gets intressting....Who cleared the body.....
Jorans own words, The person sends him home. and knew about his exames the next day. Friends dont provide that kind of service (he would have been asked to help himself together with that friend)
Parents however DO. well his mother was out of the country. so that leaves, his Dad.
NOW PROVE THAT. then you can sleep wel again.
I´m back.
Well see, those are good questions...but don't get too hard on observer777 he has seen it all in 2 + years..may be he says, just all go to ... and find the info yourself..the things they digged up the last years..i'm convident that it's more than Hans Mos has..because they wrecked all the info when he started, yes, from scratch with nothing, was probably all shredded..that's why they have 2+ more info on us
Why what would that prove....that his dad met natalee?? (he did that in a casino hours earlier. there video proof and multiple parties state that, even Joran and his dad do)quote:Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 03:09 schreef Ryan3 het volgende:
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Well, first of all you'll have to proof then that they drove to the Van der Sloot estate instead of driving to the beach, don't you?
Welcome Mr. President, How can we serve you,
Btw Peter R de Vries'll disagree on observer777's theory. As I understood, he thinks that they drove to the beach, that Natalee died there under mysterious circumstances, not necessarily due to anything Joran did, or slipped in the bacardi 151 earlier, that Joran thereupon phoned a friend and that the friend disposed of the body. Peter R de Vries don't think that they necessarily slipped something in her bacardi 151, that they drove to Joran's den, that he and de Kalpoe brothers violently raped her, that she awakened during this rape and that they then killed her, on which she suffered a major blow on her head and that subsequently Paul van der Sloot disposed of her body. That's not - and perhaps I'm wrong - what Peter R believes.
I´m back.
Ok and after that whats the timeplan casino..off..natalee out/in out/ fight?or some talk with students..off..and then..Sloots?( 1:30)
No, that's the first stepstone of observers777's theory. If you can proof that, then the rest of it might follow.quote:Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 03:17 schreef WallOfStars het volgende:
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Why what would that prove....that his dad met natalee?? (he did that in a casino hours earlier. there video proof and multiple parties state that, even Joran and his dad do)
I´m back.
So far as we are Ryan3 is right, we simply don't know more than what ryan3 has just stated and that's what Joran has confessed...is there something where it gives duplicates..as in somebody claimed that at an interogation or..
Sure,I was just called pathetic and doing all this for attention and have done nothing,how did you expect me to respond? All this from a few who are just here for diversions and to spend there time attacking people and derailing the thread and the truth. I noticed you said nothing to them but included yourself as one of them. Since you read all my posts and it's so easy to discredit them and they are mostly assumptions name one thing I was wrong about? I already told you I don't have this on Video or a smoking gun,If I did this case would be solved and none of us would be here.Like your first post stated,you swallowed the dis-information story hook like and sinker and I have no clue why you are attacking the truth of 2.5 years of research,unless you have other motives. If you don't want to learn the truth then don't listen! Maybe you should go back to RU because apparently that is where you are getting your information. I expected that here in this Forum but I already know there is plenty of people here that want to know the truth and appreciate the research that has been done since May 30th 2005. It's a shame that you are confusing opinions with trolls,who won't stop attacking me until I leave this forum. All so people here at FOK don't hear the truth as we know it.quote:Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 01:56 schreef BwennieBren het volgende:
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Oh my gosh...oh my gosh...
Observer why so hostile? This is the I N T E R N E T, we can have our own opinions can we? I asked you in the 2nd topic to provide us with some facts. Sorry, I can hardly see any. A lot of assumptions yes, but no real facts and yes I've read all of your posts. Some of the assumptions are interesting, really...but along your way of posting on FOK you're getting more hostile and because some of us just have another opinion, you call us names? Tell us our so called friends are going down? Hilarious.
This is not Scared Monkeys you know, this is FOK and we are certaintly NOT are the Dutch Monkeys. So if you can't stand the heat, get out dear. This heat could get much worser in this matter.
I had people here saying that it was BS that it was reported there was blood in the car,I posted a enormous amount of links. I did the same thing with Jorans confession and many other topics. Did I have a video of Joran confessing in June 2005? Did I claim to have one? No,I simply stated it was reported all over the American Media which I provided the links as the first hand account from the Diario reporter who witnessed it. Some like the Cover up,I posted relevent information but there is tons more as it has happened since the first day and is a enormous amount of info.! We have been on to the trolls,dis-information team,paid plants,friends of the perps and the weird internet people since the very beginning. They didn't stop me then and they certainly wont stop me now from trying to learn the full truth. I hope that the people just starting to learn about this case are aware of them because opinion is one thing but being one of them is another.
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
Observer please understand that even we in NL don't get the truth, i found it out myself, and I will tell you later, but there is of course another Renee Gielen post in the dutch media...figure..please don't feel bad about this, we need also your explanations about who where aand what since you are 2+ more years in front of info...
Ok..The link is:
http://witheet.com/buiten(...)et-zogenaamde-gelijk
It's in dutch and starts ok but then...
http://witheet.com/buiten(...)et-zogenaamde-gelijk
It's in dutch and starts ok but then...
If that's true, I think it would be quite reasonable to assume that from the perspective of Observer777 Peter R would be disavowed as part of the cover-up, wouldn't it? I mean, if what Peter R revealed and believes to be true, would in actual fact be the truth; Joran wouldn't be liable as murderer. And he wouldn't spend a day more in jail.quote:Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 03:29 schreef letsgetthiscasesolved het volgende:
So far as we are Ryan3 is right, we simply don't know more than what ryan3 has just stated and that's what Joran has confessed...is there something where it gives duplicates..as in somebody claimed that at an interogation or..
I´m back.
Hi Ryan,quote:Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 03:24 schreef Ryan3 het volgende:
Btw Peter R de Vries'll disagree on observer777's theory. As I understood, he thinks that they drove to the beach, that Natalee died there under mysterious circumstances, not necessarily due to anything Joran did, or slipped in the bacardi 151 earlier, that Joran thereupon phoned a friend and that the friend disposed of the body. Peter R de Vries don't think that they necessarily slipped something in her bacardi 151, that they drove to Joran's den, that he and de Kalpoe brothers violently raped her, that she awakened during this rape and that they then killed her, on which she suffered a major blow on her head and that subsequently Paul van der Sloot disposed of her body. That's not - and perhaps I'm wrong - what Peter R believes.
I appreciate his work and applaud him for his efforts and I admire him as a crime investigator. I don't know anyone personally that knows what happened for sure,and I have seen so many theories and speculations on what happened from so many people. My theory was just a theory,which I did not go into detail or tell you my other theory.The same will be told from him as a theory,which I have not heard yet as you just said mysterious circumstances is how she died. I analyzed everything since day from info that was not available on TV/Newspapers and other credible sources and listened to the thoughts of people who have researched everything like I have since then and the parents of Natalee. Peter R and Dr.Hodges have not done anywhere near the research that has been done at SM and I do not think they know near as much yet. I do believe Peter R knows more about the corruption/cover up but is choosing not to reveal or talk about yet. I look forward to hearing what he thinks happened.
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
Well what Peter R thinks is what I toldya. I just saw it in the reruns of a program called De wereld draait door. Aired here in Holland in the evening.quote:Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 03:46 schreef observer777 het volgende:
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Hi Ryan,
I appreciate his work and applaud him for his efforts and I admire him as a crime investigator. I don't know anyone personally that knows what happened for sure,and I have seen so many theories and speculations on what happened from so many people. My theory was just a theory,which I did not go into detail or tell you my other theory.The same will be told from him as a theory,which I have not heard yet as you just said mysterious circumstances is how she died. I analyzed everything since day from info that was not available on TV/Newspapers and other credible sources and listened to the thoughts of people who have researched everything like I have since then and the parents of Natalee. Peter R and Dr.Hodges have not done anywhere near the research that has been done at SM and I do not think they know near as much yet. I do believe Peter R knows more about the corruption/cover up but is choosing not to reveal or talk about yet. I look forward to hearing what he thinks happened.
So perhaps Peter R is getting Joran of the hook with this confession business then?
Hi btw.
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I´m back.
Hi..I know I have spoken to many Dutch,Americans and Arubans and was startled by how little they knew. It's understandable because the MSM has done a horrible job relaying the full true story in all 3 countries especially Aruba. So much wrong dis-information has come out and it has confused many who did not know any better. At SM we have been amazed for the longest time what is being reported on Fox,Cnn et all and how little the reporters know and the terrible Investigative reporting they have done.quote:Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 03:32 schreef letsgetthiscasesolved het volgende:
Observer please understand that even we in NL don't get the truth, i found it out myself, and I will tell you later, but there is of course another Renee Gielen post in the dutch media...figure..please don't feel bad about this, we need also your explanations about who where aand what since you are 2+ more years in front of info...
Another post from Rene'e Gielen? Oh brother,well we have been expecting it. Nothing she has said has been anywhere near the truth. All lies!
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
I enjoy reading all the material Observer is writing here, it opened my eyes, and now im diggig myself.. it costs a HUGE amount of time.. And he researched 2.5 plus years!! And for all the people that dont believe all these things, just come here and come with proof to show otherwise.. Just attacking someone without backing something up is plain stupid..
Well he knows because that was a part of :let's give it a aname: Devries1
This Joran confessing is Devriies2
In 1 he opened a file that says he met ben (vo)King at the doora justice guy and wrecked up the investigation of the propertij no 19,Monjana?, he found out more...but I have to see it back on 1
This Joran confessing is Devriies2
In 1 he opened a file that says he met ben (vo)King at the doora justice guy and wrecked up the investigation of the propertij no 19,Monjana?, he found out more...but I have to see it back on 1
Yes I found out by myself Gielen is lying in a 1..2.she says:.im' a sloots representative(I have proof on a dutch newspaper-worker who says..hey..again..their methods are sleazy)
Well..and I found there are trolls everywhere, even at greta.blog etc...just lurking what you know and then bang..wrong!!!..sorry..I saw it on tv...
We followed Mr.De Vries work very closely in his first show about Natalee but I have not heard him explain what he fully thinks happened. Only that he says mysterious events and the father knows more and that they were at the beach. It is known Joran had drugged girls in the past,it all adds up in the PV'S and witness accounts as well as his latest confession. 18 year old girls do not die like that for no reason and people do not hide bodies like that if it was a accident or she killed herself,nor do they lie and block the home from ever being searched if they had nothing to hide. When I gave just a tad bit of my theory it was from so many sources of info that is very logical and backs up the real events of everything since day one and also things that Joran has done before Natalee arrived in Aruba. It is not just my theory but many who have followed this closely at SM.quote:Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 03:53 schreef Ryan3 het volgende:
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Well what Peter R thinks is what I toldya. I just saw it in the reruns of a program called De wereld draait door. Aired here in Holland in the evening.
So perhaps Peter R is getting Joran of the hook with this confession business then?
Hi btw.
I can't wait for his next show as hopefully he has more. I know you all aren't his biggest fans but there is no one else that is making a impact on solving this case.
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
I think the link that letsgetthiscasesolved has given is very interesting. I also have some questions about the mother of Natalee, but I don't think it's a cover-up like I see people talking about here. But, I just signed up here and there's so much info on SM.. I'm not very good at english (as you may have noticed) so it's hard for me to understand everything on SM.
So ehm.. do I have to only write in english here or...? because I see some of the posts in dutch but I see english posts also.. it's confusing
So ehm.. do I have to only write in english here or...? because I see some of the posts in dutch but I see english posts also.. it's confusing
Now you're talkin' Jackanese.
Oh, btw Observer I would like your comment on my earlier observation.quote:Op maandag 11 februari 2008 13:32 schreef Ryan3 het volgende:
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Ik denk zeker dat bij veel mensen de motivatie in het begin wel zuiver was; bij m.n. onze Amerikaanse vrienden zie je nu gaandeweg dat ook andere motieven een rol spelen. Afkeer tegen overheden en een zekere tendentie om in complotten en cover-ups te denken. Afkeer tegen liberals. Zelfs een beetje xenofobie (?).
I stated above that in the beginning the motivation of the internet sleuths might have been pure all right, but that namely with our American friends the motives seem to be slurred. Also resentment of govertments plays a big roll and a certain tendency to think in conspiracies and cover-ups. Rensentment of liberals (of which I think the Van der Sloots are a fine example) and even a bit of bigotry might motivate them...
Otherwise I can't explain certain reactions on SM.
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