Natalee Holloway (in the rebound) #2

waarom moet iedereen op Sm gaan posten ?

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Op woensdag 6 februari 2008 09:12 schreef Scorpie het volgende:

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Misschien heeft Joran er iets over gezegd dat ze eerder in de avond zoiets had, of hebben haar vriendinnen zoiets gezegd...het is redelijk standaard dat ze zulke dingen vragen hoor, alleen vragen ze het meestal maar 1 keer.
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Of Joran heeft deze tapes ook geluisterd en verspreid desinformatie, in lijn met deze tapes.
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Zoals ik al zei; standaard protocol, behalve het herhaaldelijk vragen.
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Dat is een snelle conclusie en wat veronderstellingen, daar waag ik me niet aan.
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Mwah. Zo cruciaal is het niet, het is echter vreemd dat er herhaaldelijk word gevraagd over deze ziekte. Wat de man echter niet zegt; hebben ze naar meer ziektes gevraagd, en vroeg dezelfde persoon meerdere malen dezelfde vraag?

Dat zijn cruciale vragen imo.

heb je er al naar geluisterd?
programma is 6 uur geleden uitgezonden (03:00). dus Joran heeft het iig niet gehoord ten tijde van z'n betekentenis tegen Patrick en al helemaal niet ten tijde van z'n bekentenis tegen de politie op Aruba.

kan jij een reden verzinnen waarom ze dit herhaaldelijk aan haar stiefvader vragen en hij ontkent dit en ze vragen het weer?
dit moet bij joran vandaan komen denk ik dan.

op scaredmonkeys zijn ze al vanaf dag 1 er mee bezig. ze weten enorm veel van de zaak af. neem dat maar van observer777 aan. de beschrijving van de gebeurtenissen door joran klopt vrij aardig met hun theorie, dit hoor je ook in het radioprogramma van afgelopen nacht.
ik raad echt aan er naar te luisteren.
nu heb je alleen joran gehoord afgelopen zondag, daar hoor een andere kant van het verhaal.

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Op woensdag 6 februari 2008 09:08 schreef Scorpie het volgende:

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I`m not critizing your work, in the contrary. The police dossiers are always confidential, no family or victim ever gets access to that, thats standard protocol (in spite of what you see on the tv-series where it is common)

Its not a matter of "willing to believe". I just find it fascinating that the other theory`s that are mentioned here are based on some form of evidence that is vague in its description.
And it is arbitrary that you are working for a good cause, i`m not trying to delude your research, I was just curious how you have come to these conclusions and with what evidence.

Thankyou! It is just very time consuming for each subject you want proof of..If you want proof that very credible Aruban Officials said there was blood in Deepaks car..I will gather everything here and post it..If you want proof that Joran confessed on June 10th 2005..I will do the same..These aren't theories that I have posted I think the evidence speaks for it's self and we have known about most of this for well over two years..If I am speculating or theorizing I will tell you,I try not to do that very often..When someone asked me what I thought happened to Natalee,I gave my opinion and speculated a bit on that. But I have read and seen most everything on this case and have researched it for 32 months..I don't mind doing the work..

I understand your point of view..If someone approached me and told me something I have never seen before I would certainly want proof as well. If you are curious about something and you think I am wrong and I am guessing or speculating..Please let me know..I understand you have never seen me before and it sounds like I am showing vague descriptions,I will do my best to show you why I am so confident about the things we have talked about. Believe me I have seen so many weirdos,people deliberately spreading wrong info,so many opinions and people that speculate on what they think. I am not one of those people. I just want this solved so I can move on.

this is another boot owner epco ongering, who is now also being investigated by the authorities for owning a boot and having connections with the van der sloot family.

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Op woensdag 6 februari 2008 08:09 schreef observer777 het volgende:

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From Jug Twitty on SM Radio 2-6-08
JUG: This thing has been a coverup since day one. They knew Natalee wasn't alive since the second day. They keep asking if Natalee was an epileptic.

Good Morning,They knew this and a whole lot more! Yes,they came out last year to the world saying Natalee died of a cocaine overdose and killed herself. It was all over the American TV here..They did something terrible to the girl thats for sure..If it was a natural death or overdose why the need to get rid of her body forever?

They did make alot of statements that did not add up.
I heard many different stories about what happend to Natalee. Especially in the beginning, and i think that was one of the reasons why it caught the attention of so many people.
But when I compare this to some other missing person: Madeline, I also see the media "falsely" claming that the parents where involved while weeks later they all of a sudden are not.

So what really is the deal here.
Do i really think they brought the body back to the house, and that is the reason why people claim they have seen the 2 brothers (Satish & Deepak) clean the car?
No, they probably used drugs in the car or did some shit before Natalee got missing and they where scared the police would find out once they started looking for Natalee's DNA in the car.

Joran said himself he didn't know these 2 guys that long, and he said they weren't the brightest 2 on Aruba.
But then again, the first time they got arrested they blamed the murder of Natalee on Joran, and told the police that Joran had a sick mind.

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Op woensdag 6 februari 2008 09:12 schreef Caesu het volgende:

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if beth didn't organise such a campaign to find what happened to her daughter but instead just waited in Alabma for Aruba to solve this.
if there was no boycott.
if there was such a big news 'hype' about it.

i doubt Peter R. de Vries would have picked this case up.
and i doubt Patrick would have come forward.

but i am sure Joran would have been roaming around causing trouble and getting away with it.

She would know nothing. She would know about the same as Max De Vries Mom,Buddy Larson's Family,Gary Markings Family and a host of others that dissapeared or died under suspicious circumstances in Aruba..The Aruban Govt thought this would all go away after a few days but they ran into the love of a mother and father and there will to find out what happened to her daughter. Of Course the media attention helped big time.

Have any of you read Beth's,Dave's or Jorans book? All of them were very interesting to read especially Daves...Did you know Anita wrote a book as well over 6 months ago? She hasn't released it yet but it has already been written. What did you guys think of Paul Van Der Sloots big plans to sue the Govt of Aruba again? I seee Joran talked about that in the De Vries show. He was expecting a fat settlement!

Did you guys see what I posted on Paul Van Der Sloot and why he was denied money when he sued the Aruban Govt? That was very important info!! The Court in Aruba denied him money because they said his arrest was just because he told people,witnesses heard and there were wiretaps that showed he picked up Joran and Natalee at 4AM on May30th 2005 and also had two contacts with Natalee..Since he just arrived home that day that means they had to be on May 29th and 30th..

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Op woensdag 6 februari 2008 09:29 schreef Scorpie het volgende:

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Dus de stiefvader heeft na de bekentenis van Joran over de epilepsie aanval nu verklaard dat ze hem dat gevraagd hebben, 3 jaar geleden? Is er meer bewijs waaruit blijkt dat de stiefvader dit al eerder heeft verklaard? Want anders zou de stiefvader zo`n verklaring kunnen afleggen om Joran nog verder in het nauw te drijven.
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Zie de post hierboven.
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Ik heb het geluisterd, maar ik vind het nog steeds een hele hoop beredenaties die niet gestoeld zijn op bewijs. De verklaringen waarover gesproken worden, zijn die na te lezen? Van de "officials" van Aruba?

hele programma duurt meer dan een uur.
op internet is natuurlijk helemaal geen 'echt' bewijs te vinden.

dit is een bericht van december 2007:
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2463.msg319778#msg319778
"Jug said that the cops kept asking me if Natalee was epileptic...."
hoe oud die quote is weet ik niet. maar ook dat kan je zelf uitzoeken door die quote te traceren op die site.

maar ik heb me nog lang niet ingelezen in de materie.
op scaredmonkeys is zoveel te vinden. niet allemaal te bewijzen. ook misinformatie. ongetwijfeld bar slechte speculaties. het is jammer dat het een rommeltje is daar.
ze zijn er vanaf het begin mee bezig. ik ga je nergens van overtuigen.
maar ik zou zeggen verdiep je er eens echt goed in. er wordt daar echt een eerlijke poging gedaan helderheid in de zaak te krijgen.

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Op woensdag 6 februari 2008 09:38 schreef observer777 het volgende:

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She would know nothing. She would know about the same as Max De Vries Mom,Buddy Larson's Family,Gary Markings Family and a host of others that dissapeared or died under suspicious circumstances in Aruba..The Aruban Govt thought this would all go away after a few days but they ran into the love of a mother and father and there will to find out what happened to her daughter. Of Course the media attention helped big time.

Have any of you read Beth's,Dave's or Jorans book? All of them were very interesting to read especially Daves...Did you know Anita wrote a book as well over 6 months ago? She hasn't released it yet but it has already been written. What did you guys think of Paul Van Der Sloots big plans to sue the Govt of Aruba again? I seee Joran talked about that in the De Vries show. He was expecting a fat settlement!

I've read parts of beth's book. It was something with "the love/hope of a mother" or something. There's a transcript on the oprah winfrey website. Joran's book I didn't read. I don't want to buy it, because he gets money for it

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Op woensdag 6 februari 2008 00:33 schreef observer777 het volgende:

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Hello Harajuku! I only have theories about what happened to Natalee and can only speculate. When I have time if you are interested I will tell you them all. I have 3 scenarios that might have happened with many possibilities. I will tell you the main theory amongst people that have followed this case since day one. Many different scenarious but these few details I feel strongly about.

She was administered GHB at Carlos and Charlies and was most likely filmed or raped. At some point she woke up and fought back and suffered a massive head injury. At some point she was definetly at the Van Der Sloot house and left forensic evidence. Joran called his Father who instructed the boys what to do and the cover up started. PVDS either dropped them off or picked them up around 3-4AM.

Satish was probably dropped off at home and Deepak,Joran,Guido and probably Freddy were together. Lorenzo plays a role in this some how,just not sure exactly how at this time. Also a possibility that Koen Gottenbos(Or Sander) plays a role,possibly by using his boat for disposal.

Thank you for your answer.

Didnt Natalees friend say she was drunk, because they had been drinking all day. Didnt Joran say she was drunk? Didnt others say she was drunk? Plus, she drank 75% Bacardi. Tell me, when someone is already wasted, why the fuck would you use GHB?


And now about the boycot and all;
Hmm, hmm. We sent like F16s and half an army to Aruba, didnt we? + Peter r de Vries who has been working on the case + police arresting whoever had to be arrested etc etc

And THEN get a lot of bullshit from America? How terrible we are and what not. And you approve and even agree with that? Or did you just approve the boycot of Aruba, hmm?

It's like everything Beth says or does is been justified because she lost her kid. And that is total bullcrap. We have done a lot to help this case, and I dont need a patriot to fuck us over.
You dont go on international tv saying "look what they did to a/our country" when you just found out your daughter, who you love and has been lost for 3 years, might have been thrown in the ocean ALIVE. With sharks.

Verkeerde keelgat.

Het gevaar in dit soort zaken is dat als je er te diep inzit en mee bezig bent ,je zelf een bepaalde theorie ontwikkeld hoe het volgens jou gegaan is .
Je staat dan nauwelijks nog open voor andere openingen ,zeker in een nogal ingewikkelde zaak als deze .
Er zijn zoveel onbeantwoorde vragen
Jorran heeft volgens mij wel tientale versies van het verhaal verzonnen
Tegen die zegt ie dit en tegen die dat ,beetje borderline achtige trekjes
volgens mij moet je de grote lijnen en de feiten die er zijn volgen anders kom je er nooit uit.
Volgens mij is er op aruba een clubje actief
hoe dat clubje te werk gaat en wat ze zoal doen is in onderstaand proces verbaal te lezen
ze staan open om met meerde jongens 1 meid te pakken ,dat komt eruit .
er komt een clubje op aruba vakantie vieren
ze tippen via het casino of C&C dat er lekkere meiden aangekomen zijn
de boys gaan erop af en slaan toe
dat dit in het verleden vaker gebeurd is sluit ik niet uit
er zijn daar vaker dames verdwenen nl ,en in mijn visie is er nu toevallig 1 uitgelicht !
oh joran lust ook wel een slokje

PROCES-VERBAAL

We, Dennis Domenico JACOBS and Luigi Angelo Giovanni CROES, head-officer and officer-first class with the Korps Politie Aruba, first mentioned attaced to the robbery project team (Atraco Team) and the latter with the section often occurring crimes district 2, declare the following.

On Friday, June 24th, at approximately 18.40 hours, we, the reporting officers, interrogated/interviewed the suspect:

Joran Andreas Petrus van der SLOOT born in Arnhem, the Netherlands on August 6th 1987, without occupation student (International School of Aruba) and living Montanja 19 on Aruba, for further information.

His statement that was given in Papiamento was translated and transcribed by me, JACOBS, into Dutch and goes as follows.

Before we, the reporting officers, started the interview, I, JACOBS, informed the suspect that he was not obliged to make any statement.

I, JACOBS, also informed the suspect that this interview is being taped.

"You are informing me that you have several questions for me and want to hear an answer to those questions. I am prepared to give them.

To your question whether I know a girl named "Karen" and whether I had a sexual relationship with her, I answer you the following. I know the girl named "Karen". I do not know Karen's last name. I had a sexual relationship with her but I do not remember the time period. (By Karen we mean the witness "Karen Theresa Paulina MARTINA"; remark JACOBS).

To your question whether I had a sexual relationship with Karen during "Carnaval" this year, I answer you in the affirmative. During the "fakkeloptocht" this year I was dancing in the "Last-Lap". I think it was near the bridge of the "Renaissance Hotel" when I saw Karen. I saw that Karen went to dance with Jaime CAARASQUILLA, nickname "Beto". I suspect that Karen was drinking at that moment in time but I did not see that. After the "fakkeloptocht" "Jaime CARRASQUILLA", "Freddy ZEDAN", "Karen" and myself walked to "Carlos & Charlies". According to me "Koen GOTTENBOS" was also with us when we were walking to Carlos & Charlies. Inside Carlos & Charlies Karen and I walked upstairs and started french kissing. After that Karen and me walked outside and walked to the "Pier" due east of Carlos & Charlies. When we were standing on the "Pier" I asked Karen if she could give me a "blow-job". Karen agreed to this and started sucking my penis. I do not remember if I was standing upright or if I was lying down on the ground when Karen gave me the blow-job. I have to state that I wanted to have sexual relations with Karen but that I did not have a condom on me at that precise moment. After Karen had given me the blow-job Freddy ZEDAN called me on my mobile phone. Freddy told me that they were going to go home and asked me how I would get home. According to me Freddy also told me that he was at that moment in time sitting in the car of "Chato". The name of "Chato" is "Leonardo" but I do not know his last name. According to me Chato is from Mexico. Freddy, Karen and me got a ride from Chato. Chato and Freddy were in the front and Karen and me got into the back. When Karen and me were sitting in the back I think I asked whether I had a sexual relation with her, I answer you the following. I know the girl named "Karen". I do not know Karen's last name. I had Karen give me another blow-job, something that she did then do. Chato saw then that Karen was giving me head in his pick-up. Chato drives a green 4-door pick-up of the Ford make when he brought us three, meaning Freddy, Karen and myself a ride to my house. I do not know the license plate of Chato's pick-up. When we arrived at my appartment the 4 of us went inside the appartment. Chato had a hip flask containing whiskey. Chato and Karen drank from the contents. I have to say that I am not sure any more if "Freddy ZEDAN" or "Fernando VIANA" was in the appartment with us. Karen and I went to lie down on the sofa-bed and had put a blanket over us. Karen and I started fondling and having "foreplay". Chato tried to pull the blanket off of us to see what we were doing. Chato asked me to ask Karen if he and I could have sexual relations with Karen together. On Chato's request I asked Karen if she was willing to have sex with me and Chato together. Karen told me that she did not want to have sex with me and Chato. After that Chato and Freddy left. I do not know where Chato and Freddy went to. Karen and I were on the sofa-bed. We started kissing and I fingered Karen. After that I had taken my clothes off. Karen then took off her clothes. At that point I was told by Karen to put on a condom. I went to my drawer and took out a condom and put it on. After that we had sex with each other. I do not know if Karen bled when I had sex with her. At no time did Karen say to me that she did not want to have sex with me. I can also not tell you anymore what the condition was of Karen when I had sex with her in my appartment. She had been drinking but I also had been drinking. We had also both drank from Chato's hip-flask. I don't remember right know what kind of alcoholic drink was in that hip-flask. After Karen and me had sex I went to the bathroom and threw the condom into the toilet. I have no recollection of what happened after that.

I only had sex with Karen three times. The first time I had sex with Karen was on the beach close to the "Havana Niteclub". I do not remember the date, but it was during a "Moonlite Party". On the day Karen and me had sex the first time we had both had alcoholic drinks but we were not drunk.

About two months ago I had sex with Karen for the last time. This happened in my appartement and on that day Karen stayed the night with me. According to me I had told my mother that Karen would be staying for the night.

To your question whether or not I had sex with a girl named "Stephania", I answer you that I have not.

To your question whether I know the girl named "Stephany BOEKHOUWER", I answer you the following. This year, I don't remember the exact date, Freddy, Jaime and me went to a "Houseparty" in Oranjestad. We drove in Jaime's car to the houseparty. The car of Jaime is famous because we had experienced a lot of things in Jaime's car. Jaime has a 4-door green "Honda". On that day Freddy had sex with Stephany BOEKHOUWER on the backseat of Jaime's car. I gave Freddy a condom before he had sex with Stephany. While Freddy was having sex with Stephany on the backseat, Jaime and myself stood down at the trunk of the car and drank alcoholic beverages.

To your question whether I had a relationship with a girl name "Rika", I answer you the following. Rika was my girlfriend but we did not have a sexual relationship with each other. We may have done some french kissing but I did not have sexual relations with her because she is 12 years old. Rika's parents found out about our relationship and that is why we stopped the relationship. I do not know Rika's last name.

This is my statement in accordance with the truth".

J.A.P. van der SLOOT

After the suspect J.A.P. van der SLOOT had read the statement he had given, he stated he would persist in it and signed the statement.

The reporting officers,

JACOBS CROES

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Op woensdag 6 februari 2008 09:29 schreef Ticker het volgende:

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They did make alot of statements that did not add up.
I heard many different stories about what happend to Natalee. Especially in the beginning, and i think that was one of the reasons why it caught the attention of so many people.
But when I compare this to some other missing person: Madeline, I also see the media "falsely" claming that the parents where involved while weeks later they all of a sudden are not.

So what really is the deal here.
Do i really think they brought the body back to the house, and that is the reason why people claim they have seen the 2 brothers (Satish & Deepak) clean the car?
No, they probably used drugs in the car or did some shit before Natalee got missing and they where scared the police would find out once they started looking for Natalee's DNA in the car.

Joran said himself he didn't know these 2 guys that long, and he said they weren't the brightest 2 on Aruba.
But then again, the first time they got arrested they blamed the murder of Natalee on Joran, and told the police that Joran had a sick mind.

I have heard the Madeline case is somewhat similar to this case. You are right though about this case..I can tell you about 5 different people at the minumum that came forward and said they knew where natalee was buried. One guy even said he helped bury her. There is a lot I want to tell you about this but I will wait for another day. So much speculation,some think the mob is involved because of Michael Posner who owns the HI and Excaliber casino,others think she was filmed in sex films,some think she was procured for someone rich and powerful or the elders at the lions den,some think it was just Joran and some think it was joran and his friends the pimps and some even think it was Paul Van Der Sloot,Some think it was a party at Lorenzo's and he did it.. It's a huge amount of info to digest and I dont know anyone that knows for sure what exactly happened without a doubt.

Natalee had to be at the Van Der Sloots..Why would they continue to refuse to let people search that house? Why would the Judge block the search the day of the search? Why wasn't it searched until two years later? Why would the Aruban Officials all point fingers at each other and be caught in that lie? I think Peter R exposed that pretty good.

The kalpoes looked into long term storage for that car and were seen hosing it down and cleaning it franticly in the dark corner in a strange area of that house at a odd time like 3am when she dissapeared. Did you see the pictures I collected of that car? It had 5 spoke rims and red tail lights in the police compound at the Noord Station. But on June 9th when it was impounded it had 6 spoke rims and later in police custody it had white tail lights. There are other differences but I am not a car expert..The Prime Minister of Aruba said on National TV there was blood in that car,So did The Minister of Justice,The FBI and a few Aruban cops. When Beth Holloway first went to the Police station on July 31st ealy in the AM that car was at the Bubali police station parked there..She is convinced of that and wrote about it in her book.

Thank you Observer, the last couple of hours I,ve been reading on your site, stunning!

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Op woensdag 6 februari 2008 09:57 schreef Harajuku. het volgende:

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Thank you for your answer.

Didnt Natalees friend say she was drunk, because they had been drinking all day. Didnt Joran say she was drunk? Didnt others say she was drunk? Plus, she drank 75% Bacardi. Tell me, when someone is already wasted, why the fuck would you use GHB?


And now about the boycot and all;
Hmm, hmm. We sent like F16s and half an army to Aruba, didnt we? + Peter r de Vries who has been working on the case + police arresting whoever had to be arrested etc etc

And THEN get a lot of bullshit from America? How terrible we are and what not. And you approve and even agree with that? Or did you just approve the boycot of Aruba, hmm?

It's like everything Beth says or does is been justified because she lost her kid. And that is total bullcrap. We have done a lot to help this case, and I dont need a patriot to fuck us over.
You dont go on international tv saying "look what they did to a/our country" when you just found out your daughter, who you love and has been lost for 3 years, might have been thrown in the ocean ALIVE. With sharks.

Verkeerde keelgat.

Hallo Who said Natalee was drunk? I have only seen Joran say that! Then he said she wasn't drunk when he realized he could get into more trouble because she couldn't consent to sex. They slept most of the day and at the end of the night her friends thought she looked strange and her eyes were very heavy before closing time. She partied and drank on that trip for sure but she was not drunk that night,none of her friends said that at all. You would have to ask Joran about GHB..Did you read Joran's PV and the other PV'S..Why would Natalee be in and out of conscioussness? Did you know other Aruban girls came forwars and said the exact same thing happened to them? Did you see what I posted about witnesses that saw her being escorted out of the bar with deepak holding on to her arm 10 minutes after everyne rushed out of the bar? Just last week Jossy Mansur said he talked to a bartender who saw two of the suspects almost drag her out of the bar because she could barely walk. I don't make this stuff up it's all documented..Did you see there friend Freddy was arrested for suspicion of having sex with a unconscious person and taking pictures of a very young teen? This was the same thime K2 were arrested the 2nd time in 2005.

I don't have anything against the dutch and I actually love the people. I work with them,have dutch friends and they have been very good to me. I like the Aruban people,I have met a few and I have nothing at all against the good people of Aruba. It is all about that Aruban Govt and I think they are evil The F16's? What were they supposed to do? Do you think infered would show a decomposed body when it gives off no heat? Peter De Vries I love and admire a great deal,like I stated before he has done more than anyone to help this case. As far as a boycott for Aruba,Yes I support it..Do you have any idea the hell they have put Natalee and her Family through? I really dont think anyone in Holland knows about it and especially on this board..You would be stunned if you learned what they did to them!!!!!. As far as Hans Mos goes,I am not sure just yet what the hell is going on..He has this major evidence that turns out to be nothing. When the parents met him he would not answer any questions and told them the Family,The Media and a Dea agent hurt this case..He wasn't talking about the Van Der Sloot family but the Holloways!! Believe me I would have gone berzerk is that was my daughter..You would have done the same I am sure..I think Beth and Dave are some of the most kind,gentle and polite people on the face of this earth..Very very rare people and I admire how nice and sweet they have been..Sometimes I think they have been too nice!!

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Op woensdag 6 februari 2008 09:45 schreef Qwea het volgende:

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I've read parts of beth's book. It was something with "the love/hope of a mother" or something. There's a transcript on the oprah winfrey website. Joran's book I didn't read. I don't want to buy it, because he gets money for it

Je kunt 't ook in de bieb lenen Bij mijn bieb zijn beide boeken uitgeleend, en eerlijk gezegd heb ik toch niet zo'n interesse in 't lezen van nog meer leugens

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Op woensdag 6 februari 2008 10:22 schreef yvonne het volgende:
Thank you Observer, the last couple of hours I,ve been reading on your site, stunning!

Hello Yvonne You have been reading at SM? It is not not the setup I would like as I think it is tough to find information if you don't know where to look..But thank you! I hope you can use it to find info that you are looking for..There are some very knowledgeable and dedicated people that truly love Natalee and her Family there. Many thousands of hours and over two years of research has been conducted and there is very little that is on the net that the monkeys don't know about..LOL!

I am tired,but I will be back..I truly sense that the Aruban people are starting to stand up and are tired of what the Van Der Sloots have done. Did you see that Video I posted where the DJ Spoke of Lorenzo Van Rijn? I know the Dutch are kind of split about what happened to Natalee..I really hope we can work together and get this solved!! This has gone on long enough!! I am so happy that the dutch saw this side of Joran that we have known about for a very long time! If people here think I am a ignorant about the Dutch you are very wrong..I know the people very well and I have tremendous faith in the dutch people.

[ Bericht 34% gewijzigd door observer777 op 06-02-2008 10:45:41 ]

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Op woensdag 6 februari 2008 10:31 schreef deedeetee het volgende:

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Je kunt 't ook in de bieb lenen Bij mijn bieb zijn beide boeken uitgeleend, en eerlijk gezegd heb ik toch niet zo'n interesse in 't lezen van nog meer leugens

Ik denk ook inderdaad dat de woorden van Joran niet zoveel waard zijn

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Op woensdag 6 februari 2008 10:26 schreef observer777 het volgende:

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Hallo Who said Natalee was drunk? I have only seen Joran say that! Then he said she wasn't drunk when he realized he could get into more trouble because she couldn't consent to sex. They slept most of the day and at the end of the night her friends thought she looked strange and her eyes were very heavy before closing time. She partied and drank on that trip for sure but she was not drunk that night,none of her friends said that at all. You would have to ask Joran about GHB..Did you read Joran's PV and the other PV'S..Why would Natalee be in and out of conscioussness? Did you know other Aruban girls came forwars and said the exact same thing happened to them? Did you see what I posted about witnesses that saw her being escorted out of the bar with deepak holding on to her arm 10 minutes after everyne rushed out of the bar? Just last week Jossy Mansur said he talked to a bartender who saw two of the suspects almost drag her out of the bar because she could barely walk. I don't make this stuff up it's all documented..Did you see there friend Freddy was arrested for suspicion of having sex with a unconscious person and taking pictures of a very young teen? This was the same thime K2 were arrested the 2nd time in 2005.

I don't have anything against the dutch and I actually love the people. I work with them,have dutch friends and they have been very good to me. I like the Aruban people,I have met a few and I have nothing at all against the good people of Aruba. It is all about that Aruban Govt and I think they are evil The F16's? What were they supposed to do? Do you think infered would show a decomposed body when it gives off no heat? Peter De Vries I love and admire a great deal,like I stated before he has done more than anyone to help this case. As far as a boycott for Aruba,Yes I support it..Do you have any idea the hell they have put Natalee and her Family through? I really dont think anyone in Holland knows about it and especially on this board..You would be stunned if you learned what they did to them!!!!!. As far as Hans Mos goes,I am not sure just yet what the hell is going on..He has this major evidence that turns out to be nothing. When the parents met him he would not answer any questions and told them the Family,The Media and a Dea agent hurt this case..He wasn't talking about the Van Der Sloot family but the Holloways!! Believe me I would have gone berzerk is that was my daughter..You would have done the same I am sure..I think Beth and Dave are some of the most kind,gentle and polite people on the face of this earth..Very very rare people and I admire how nice and sweet they have been..Sometimes I think they have been too nice!!

I didnt accuse you of hating Dutch or Aruban people
Yeah, sure I wouldnt be too happy if my daughter disappeard, but I wouldnt say all the things that Beth has said. They way she has been talking, from what I have seen, makes everyone responsible for Natalee disappearing. Just blah blah blah.

And hell, I dont know what F16s with infrared are supposed to do, hmm hmm. Apparently there was a big enough chance to find something with it, otherwise they wouldnt have wasted that there. Its neither Aruba or The Netherlands fault that that didnt work. Point is they tried, did their best. And they only get shit in return. Till Peter comes along! Peter, with his little tape. His little tape full of thigns the entire world already knows, and probably wont be of any use in court. Yet he gets a fucking throne.

And I dont know about the government being corrupt. You dont know that either. You cant tell for sure, 100%, that Aruba is sabotising this case. America can't say that either. Yet you tell everyone to boycot a country that lives off of tourists, American tourists. How can you approve of that? That is lots of innocent people getting hit. And did it work? Noooooo.

Do you know Beth? In personal.

Im not trying to be a bitch or something. I do appreciate your work, but there are just some things eh. I can´t agree with all you say.

Oh, I happen to love the word fuck. I´ve already tried to just throw the word out of my vocabulary, but sometimes it just slips through

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Op woensdag 6 februari 2008 10:44 schreef Harajuku. het volgende:
Oh, I happen to love the word fuck. I´ve already tried to just throw the word out of my vocabulary, but sometimes it just slips through

You picked the right forum to post at..LMAO!!

you look like a bitch ha ha

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Op woensdag 6 februari 2008 10:42 schreef Harajuku. het volgende:

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And I dont know about the government being corrupt. You dont know that either.

Ooooooooow yes we do, history proven...

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Op woensdag 6 februari 2008 10:49 schreef yvonne het volgende:

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Ooooooooow yes we do, history proven...

I mean about this particular case. You cant say for a fact that theyre doing this and that.

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Op woensdag 6 februari 2008 10:42 schreef Harajuku. het volgende:

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I didnt accuse you of hating Dutch or Aruban people
Yeah, sure I wouldnt be too happy if my daughter disappeard, but I wouldnt say all the things that Beth has said. They way she has been talking, from what I have seen, makes everyone responsible for Natalee disappearing. Just blah blah blah.

And hell, I dont know what F16s with infrared are supposed to do, hmm hmm. Apparently there was a big enough chance to find something with it, otherwise they wouldnt have wasted that there. Its neither Aruba or The Netherlands fault that that didnt work. Point is they tried, did their best. And they only get shit in return. Till Peter comes along! Peter, with his little tape. His little tape full of thigns the entire world already knows, and probably wont be of any use in court. Yet he gets a fucking throne.

And I dont know about the government being corrupt. You dont know that either. You cant tell for sure, 100%, that Aruba is sabotising this case. America can't say that either. Yet you tell everyone to boycot a country that lives off of tourists, American tourists. How can you approve of that? That is lots of innocent people getting hit. And did it work? Noooooo.

Do you know Beth? In personal.

Im not trying to be a bitch or something. I do appreciate your work, but there are just some things eh. I can´t agree with all you say.

We don't have to agree on everything I really don't see what Beth did and why she is so hated..She is such a sweet and caring lady..You should see things that have been done to her!! You would be shocked!! Imagine being threatened and told you would chopped up and used as fish food if you returned to Aruba! Imagine being lied about,slandered and attacked for 2.5 years..Trust me that Govt spent millions on there disinformation campaign and attack on her family.

I am happy for Peter,at least he made the effort!! I don't think he is done quite yet and I believe he is on a mission..I do know for sure that Govt is corrupt and sabotaged this case! They are really evil..Even the Aruban people I spoke to privately agree with me!! We have only heard how great things are in Aruba and how booked there hotel rooms are and that the boycott hasn't worked at all..I think they are lucky it hasn't been organized yet and turned into a active boycott..That poor family just wants there daughter,she deserves a proper burial back home.

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Op woensdag 6 februari 2008 10:58 schreef observer777 het volgende:

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We don't have to agree on everything I really don't see what Beth did and why she is so hated..She is such a sweet and caring lady..You should see things that have been done to her!! You would be shocked!! Imagine being threatened and told you would chopped up and used as fish food if you returned to Aruba! Imagine being lied about,slandered and attacked for 2.5 years..Trust me that Govt spent millions on there disinformation campaign and attack on her family.

I am happy for Peter,at least he made the effort!! I don't think he is done quite yet and I believe he is on a mission..I do know for sure that Govt is corrupt and sabotaged this case! They are really evil..Even the Aruban people I spoke to privately agree with me!! We have only heard how great things are in Aruba and how booked there hotel rooms are and that the boycott hasn't worked at all..I think they are lucky it hasn't been organized yet and turned into a active boycott..That poor family just wants there daughter,she deserves a proper burial back home.

You keep saying you do know, you do have proof, you do know this and that for a fact, but I havent seen any real proof yet

And about Peter, I really hope this wasnt all hes got. I really hope hes on this pedestal for a damn good reason.

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Op woensdag 6 februari 2008 11:18 schreef Harajuku. het volgende:

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You keep saying you do know, you do have proof, you do know this and that for a fact, but I havent seen any real proof yet

And about Peter, I really hope this wasnt all hes got. I really hope hes on this pedestal for a damn good reason.

What do you want proof of? Did you see what I posted on the Corruption and Collusion on the Aruban Govt? I can name 3 ministers that were caught Red Handed with drugs,rape and whoring women. Plus about 24 other things like letting a convicted mobster own and operate the hotel and casino where Natalee dissapeared from. If you are looking to defend that Aruban Govt you will not win..They are as corrupt and evil as they come.They most definetly covered up Natalees murder! Pick one subject and I will do my best to prove it,All of these subjects have been talked about and examined extensively at SM and should be very easy to provide facts.

I don't think that is all he has at all..He was pretty quiet after what he showed in his first show..He did very well there and has provided facts about some of the things you are asking about,like the search of that house,the admissions of Jorans lawyer and a few other things. I hope he keeps going.

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Op woensdag 6 februari 2008 10:31 schreef deedeetee het volgende:

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Je kunt 't ook in de bieb lenen Bij mijn bieb zijn beide boeken uitgeleend, en eerlijk gezegd heb ik toch niet zo'n interesse in 't lezen van nog meer leugens

Ik ben 18+ heb geen biebpas, en als 18+ zijnde moet je dokken. No thnx

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Op woensdag 6 februari 2008 10:59 schreef Scorpie het volgende:

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Wow. From the dissepearance of a young girl to a potential Government-wide cover up.
Looks like the script from 24, season 8!

It makes me think about "AAAAAAAAAAAAAh George Bush did 9/11!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

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Op woensdag 6 februari 2008 11:35 schreef observer777 het volgende:

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What do you want proof of? Did you see what I posted on the Corruption and Collusion on the Aruban Govt? I can name 3 ministers that were caught Red Handed with drugs,rape and whoring women. Plus about 24 other things like letting a convicted mobster own and operate the hotel and casino where Natalee dissapeared from. If you are looking to defend that Aruban Govt you will not win..They are as corrupt and evil as they come.They most definetly covered up Natalees murder! Pick one subject and I will do my best to prove it,All of these subjects have been talked about and examined extensively at SM and should be very easy to provide facts.

I don't think that is all he has at all..He was pretty quiet after what he showed in his first show..He did very well there and has provided facts about some of the things you are asking about,like the search of that house,the admissions of Jorans lawyer and a few other things. I hope he keeps going.

Oyoyoy, Im not trying to defend or protect anything or anyone. Certainly not Aruba cuz they dont mean shit to me
I just like facts

Thanks

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Op woensdag 6 februari 2008 11:36 schreef Qwea het volgende:

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Ik ben 18+ heb geen biebpas, en als 18+ zijnde moet je dokken. No thnx

Dat nieuwe systeem is echt retarded. Ik jat mn moeders pasje gewoon

Joran is goin to talk with tha polizzzze. (Tomorrow)

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Op woensdag 6 februari 2008 11:41 schreef Harajuku. het volgende:

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Dat nieuwe systeem is echt retarded. Ik jat mn moeders pasje gewoon

Niemand bij ons is lid van die kloten bieb

Staat er geen versie online?

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Op woensdag 6 februari 2008 10:58 schreef observer777 het volgende:

She is such a sweet and caring lady..

Better not say that, not here in Holland, it can make us a bit
Say she 's angree, she want 's to know what the hell has happend to her daughter. And she won 't give up untill she know 's.
But keep the sweet and caring part away from us

[ Bericht 0% gewijzigd door deedeetee op 06-02-2008 11:57:19 ]

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Op woensdag 6 februari 2008 11:50 schreef deedeetee het volgende:

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Better not say that, not her in Holland, it can make us a bit
Say she 's angree, she want 's to know what the hell has happend to her daughter. And she won 't give up untill she know 's.
But keep the sweet and caring part away from us

sue me, but isn't that normal? What if you had a daughter and she went missing? Wouldn't you like to know what happend with her? Whatever it takes? I fucking know I would.

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Op dinsdag 5 februari 2008 23:29 schreef observer777 het volgende:

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Personally I love Mr.De Vries and was amazed at his first show..I think he did a great Job in this latest Investigation but I believe Joran was not telling the truth about many things. I am happy,because this brought Natalee's case to attention world wide and people got to hear the real Joran. I hope people take interest and demand answers,especially in Aruba. Much of what is on TV for us we knew long ago and have so many questions that remained to be answered..That is what we try to do everyday at SM is piece together this mystery. I am convinced all the answers are in the beginning in June 2005.

Hi Observer... Did you know that last year Mr. De Vries solved the JFK murder? He's receiving a lot of criticism right now, again, or still, for making teasers that promise the world followed by shows that just leave more questions much of the time and interviewing people in a horrible way, Beth is the latest example of that.. He's also talked about going into politics himself and after this show the chance of him doing so next elections just got a bit bigger. He might even join the PVV party of Mr. Geert Wilders who also has some followers on this forum. When I say a lot of criticism, that's very relative btw.

People here have definitely taken an interest. About half the population watched his show. An absolute record, I believe only matched by a few soccer games. Many of those people now seem convinced that what Joran said is essentially true. Your website paints a very different picture. It will be very interesting to see what will happen next, although I do think it's quite predictable.

As to cover ups; you'll probably find most Dutch people do believe that 9/11 was a total cover up while at the same time finding it very hard to believe our own government could be in any way guilty of anything, even though we've been dealing with scandal after scandal over the years with very few people really being punished. Us Dutchies like to feel very superior and like to accuse Americans of feeling superior. I haven't found any of Dr. Phil's statements yet, but I believe quite a few of us Dutchies are pretty pissed over them. The reason I'm going into all of this is maybe to try to explain a few of the reactions here.

Also, after reading a bit of SM I guess what a lot of Dutchies don't realize is that Natalee might be just one in a whole string of victims over several or maybe even many years. I think that's being suggested anyway, I haven't read enough on your site yet. If that's true, I wonder why Peter R. De Vries hasn't mentioned any of that. His show on Dutch TV was very different from the one on ABC. You had voiceovers which made it very difficult to get a good feel of Joran's emotions. We had a hard time doing that too, he really doesn't seem to have any, or empathy, which is why some of us now think he's a sociopath. But we've only seen a bit of footage, I would really like to see more.

Anyway, I don't want to write a book about it I think, have a nice day!

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Op woensdag 6 februari 2008 11:50 schreef deedeetee het volgende:

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Better not say that, not her in Holland, it can make us a bit
Say she 's angree, she want 's to know what the hell has happend to her daughter. And she won 't give up untill she know 's.
But keep the sweet and caring part away from us

Speak for yourself.

I for one won't ever, EVER go through what this mother is going through for the past 3 years.
You can't judge her because of what you've seen of her on television or in newspapers.
And also don't forget, Beth is just a product of American upbringing and standards.
No swearing, all girls are virgins, and so on and so on.
You can't judge her for that...

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Op woensdag 6 februari 2008 11:55 schreef Qwea het volgende:

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sue me, but isn't that normal? What if you had a daughter and she went missing? Wouldn't you like to know what happend with her? Whatever it takes? I fucking know I would.

I most certainly would want to know. I just meant to say that were not good at listening to * sweet and caring * we have more respect for * angry and not giving up *
It 's an answer to the question why we * hate * the sweet and caring mother. We don't hate her, we just don't like tears and all that stuff.
Of course she 'll do anything to find out what happend..... And I don't blame her for it.

I tried to explain to Observer that he 's using the wrong words to discribe her. I didn't mean any offend

Ehhh waarom staan jullie nu op je achterste benen ? Ik leg alleen maar uit dat sentimenteel gedoe hier in Nederland meestal niet zo goed aan slaat. Als hij de moeder wat meer populair wil maken moet hij dat in andere bewoordingen doen .

FF lezen waar op ik reageer :

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Op woensdag 6 februari 2008 10:58 schreef observer777 het volgende:

She is such a sweet and caring lady..

En niet meteen verkeerde conclusies trekken......

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Op woensdag 6 februari 2008 12:10 schreef deedeetee het volgende:
Ehhh waarom staan jullie nu op je achterste benen ? Ik leg alleen maar uit dat sentimenteel gedoe hier in Nederland meestal niet zo goed aan slaat. Als hij de moeder wat meer populair wil maken moet hij dat in andere bewoordingen doen .

Je sprak voor ons allemaal, vandaar

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Op woensdag 6 februari 2008 12:11 schreef yvonne het volgende:

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Je sprak voor ons allemaal, vandaar

Ga jij dan niet over je nek van de sentimentele manier waarop aan de andere kant van de oceaan vaak word gesproken dan ??
Dat is dįįr normaal maar hier niet dacht ik

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Op woensdag 6 februari 2008 12:10 schreef deedeetee het volgende:
Ehhh waarom staan jullie nu op je achterste benen ? Ik leg alleen maar uit dat sentimenteel gedoe hier in Nederland meestal niet zo goed aan slaat. Als hij de moeder wat meer populair wil maken moet hij dat in andere bewoordingen doen . [afbeelding]

Ik herinner me juist topics dat ze te weinig zou janken.

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Op woensdag 6 februari 2008 12:12 schreef Scorpie het volgende:

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Eensch.

Oh shush

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Op woensdag 6 februari 2008 12:13 schreef deedeetee het volgende:

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Ga jij dan niet over je nek van de sentimentele manier waarop aan de andere kant van de oceaan vaak word gesproken dan ??
Dat is dįįr normaal maar hier niet dacht ik

Ach ja, maar zo zijn ze opgevoed, ze weten niet beter en doen niet anders, hun manier van doen.
Zo heeft ieder land wel wat toch?

Aan de andere kant, hij post nu hier en zal dus zijn wijze van uitdrukken ook hier gebruiken

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Op woensdag 6 februari 2008 12:17 schreef Scorpie het volgende:

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Dat helpt haar zaak niet echt.

Denk nou eens na over wat je nu zegt?
Dat is toch ridicuul en onjuist?

I think that it's the "Natalee would neeeeeeever do that. No way. Oh gosh no! Drugs? Dont be silly. Oh gosh! Alcohol? Nooooooooo gooooosh no. My sweet ltitle innocent girl boohoo blame the terrible Aruba and the terrible Netherlands but my daughter is just an innocent little girl." That + the boycotting + "Look what they did to a/our country" is what gets some Dutchies going.

Natalee was not an innocent little girl. And no, Im not saying this justifies her death, all Im saying is that mother needs to quit the -all American innocent virgin till 30- crap