Natalee Holloway (in the rebound) #2

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Op dinsdag 5 februari 2008 10:35 schreef johan555 het volgende:
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deze is boat owner en is iets ouder
GEERMAN, Marciano – Boat owner
GEERMAN MARCIANO L.G. SMITH BLVD. 544

http://www.morningstararuba.com/crew/crew.htm

Ga nu alsjeblieft niet net als joran er mensen bij halen die er waarschijnlijk helemaal niets mee te maken hebben.

Laat namen van mensen en foto's hier a.u.b. weg. Je brengt mensen in problemen die er zeer waarschijnlijk helemaal niets mee te maken hebben.

Het is toch niet te geloven dat daar in arnhem dacht ik, een buurvrouwtje gaat zeggen dat er op nummer XXX iemand woont die volgens haar ongeveer joran heet. En dan 10tallen mensen bij die onschuldige op deuren en ramen gaan staan bonken.

Joran is blijkbaar naar het strand gegaan en heeft of in z'n mobiel een nummer van iemand zitten die ie zoo maar even kan bellen om een lijk te doen verdwijnen of nog erger ,hij kent dat nummer uit z'n hoofd .

wie loopt er met nummers rond van dat soort duistere figuren ?
Dat moet toch dan een goeie bekende zijn die nogal wat op z'n kerfstok heeft
dat moet iemand uit die porno wereld zijn of uit het criminele mileu
het kan ook zijn dat guido vanuit orangestad gekomen is met een dikke speedboot
dat is vlakbij en dan even 5 km de zee op varen en de klus is rond
who is Guido ?

WEVER, Guido– 19 years old, former resident of Aruba, now residing in the NL. Was a croupier at the Excelsior Casino. Said to have left Aruba abruptly within weeks of Natalee’s disappearance after being questioned by ALE. Reported to be good friends with Joran, and gambling with him on May 30/31 when Natalee’s loved ones arrived in Aruba. Arrested on 5-20-06, released on 5-23-06, under suspicion of accessory to murder, kidnapping and battery. Drove a white Nissan Sentra.

er is een lijst van " mogelijke" verdachten en daar staat hij wel op

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Op dinsdag 5 februari 2008 11:08 schreef deedeetee het volgende:

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I know, that's what made me laugh

He 's a clever enough to make good use of his * disorder *

Don't know how clever he is though.

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Op dinsdag 5 februari 2008 11:14 schreef johan555 het volgende:
er is een lijst van " mogelijke" verdachten en daar staat hij wel op

Like Steve Croes, I presume. .

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Op dinsdag 5 februari 2008 10:36 schreef Scorpie het volgende:

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He is telling the outlines of a particular story, in which facts are true and some facts are not true.
This makes the 'confession' that much harder; every statement Joran makes has to be backed up by proof, otherwise there is no telling if its the truth.
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I disagree; its a well known fact Joran is a competent lyer and cheat. He has even been admitted for psych-care for his compulsive lying. This makes it very hard to just go with his statement and treat it as 'the truth'.

Have you even seen the broadcast in detail?
A person that spills his guts the first time he can talk about in, in such a rapid way is not lying.
It was the second day that Patrick brought it up again, and started asking for he name of the person.
The first day Joran talked about this person or people he named them 'higher powers" and a name 'he would take to the gave'.
The day after he migth have had a night sleep about it, thinkig that telling patrick the story in details isn't necessary and thus changing some names and people in this story.

You also seem to forget the way Joran reacted to Pauw&Witteman, the day the world got story about the hidden camera tapes, and asked him about it on phone.
He was stuttering, not knowing in what way this could inflict him, still believing Patrick is his friend.
I mean he told everyone he knew this girl is dead. Why act as a attorney for him by making stuff up that would only make the story more complicated then it is.

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Op dinsdag 5 februari 2008 11:08 schreef Ryan3 het volgende:

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1. Why should they do that service? Because Joran's father was a judge trainee?
2 There is no compelling reeason to suggest that that was the case imho. Of course people are trying to smear the reputation of Paul van der Sloot, or so I read. But is there really any ground to think that this Dutch judge trainee is in reality someone who, when he learns that a girlfriend of his son had died, would loose her body in the sea? That's so improbable.

1. Misschien...
2. Zoals ik al in een vorige post schreef lijkt het mij ook niet zeer waarschijnlijk dat die vader dat zelf heeft gedaan. Hij zou er eventueel wel bij betrokken geweest kunnen zijn, maar zoals ik ook weer eerder schreef moet de recherche onderzoek doen of de vader theoretisch de tijd had om te helpen of op een andere manier weet had van wat er afspeelde die nacht.

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Op dinsdag 5 februari 2008 11:28 schreef Scorpie het volgende:

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O but I agree on that, Joran isn't telling the whole truth about how Natalee died.

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Op dinsdag 5 februari 2008 11:21 schreef ZoneKill het volgende:

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1. Misschien...
2. Zoals ik al in een vorige post schreef lijkt het mij ook niet zeer waarschijnlijk dat die vader dat zelf heeft gedaan. Hij zou er eventueel wel bij betrokken geweest kunnen zijn, maar zoals ik ook weer eerder schreef moet de recherche onderzoek doen of de vader theoretisch de tijd had om te helpen of op een andere manier weet had van wat er afspeelde die nacht.

My positoin is that it is not even close to subtility what their counterparts are doing. Paul is supposedly a womanizer and he drinks a lot, and so he must have knowledge of the drugs related underground on Aruba, and so he's apt to help his son in such a hot spot.
Probably this sort of assumption is created by Mrs.Twitty, the hard boiled christian. Not even only Joran is a bad peron, also his father must be (hey and he is suppossed to be a womanizer hey, and he drinks a lot hey), and hell even the whole of Holland must be.

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Hoe zien psychopaten eruit?
Psychopaten hebben grote problemen in hun gevoelens en relaties met anderen. Acht van de kenmerken in de PCLR hebben te maken met deze problemen in gevoelens en relaties met anderen. Een prototype psychopaat is oppervlakkig in contact met anderen; hij heeft vaak sterke verhalen, en probeert zich beter voor te doen dan hij is, waarbij hij vaak wel als charmant overkomt (gladde prater/opppervlakkige charme). Het is een opschepper die een veel te positieve inschatting heeft van zijn talenten en vaardigheden (sterk opgeblazen gevoel van eigenwaarde). Een psychopaat is typisch een notoire leugenaar die er meestal geen enkele moeite mee heeft wanneer hij wordt betrapt op een leugen. Hij heeft meestal overal een excuus of reden voor en wil nog wel eens iets op “erewoord beloven” ook al blijkt dat erewoord haast nooit wat waard te zijn (pathologisch liegen). De psychopaat kent geen schuldgevoelens of gevoelens van spijt over de dingen die hij anderen aandoet. Hij kan zeggen dat het slachtoffer het verdiende om zo behandeld te worden of dat het slachtoffer eigenlijk niets bijzonders is aangedaan (gebrek aan berouw of schuldgevoel). Hij is niet in staat of niet bereid om de verantwoordelijkheid te nemen voor zijn eigen gedragingen. Het zijn altijd anderen die de schuld krijgen of er is altijd wel een excuus te vinden voor de dingen die een psychopaat heeft gedaan (geen verantwoordelijkheid nemen voor het eigen gedrag). De prototype psychopaat manipuleert en bedriegt anderen zonder daarbij aandacht te hebben voor wat dat voor anderen betekent, waarbij hij nogal eens crimineel gedrag vertoont in de vorm van bijvoorbeeld fraude en verduistering en niet-crimineel gedrag in de vorm van overspel en het aftroggelen van geld van familieleden (list en bedrog/manipulerend gedrag). Een psychopaat komt op anderen over als koud en ongevoelig. Zijn “emoties” doen vaak aan als dramatisch, kortstondig en onecht (ontbreken aan emotionele diepgang). In al zijn gedragingen en meningen toont een psychopaat weinig respect voor de rechten, gevoelens en het welzijn van anderen. Hij beschouwt andere mensen als potentiële slachtoffers die te manipuleren zijn en beschouwt zichzelf als de belangrijkste persoon die er is (kil/gebrek aan empathie).

Naast problemen in hun gevoelens en relaties met anderen, hebben psychopaten grote problemen in hun levensstijl. Negen kenmerken in de PCLR geven deze problemen in de levensstijl weer. Een psychopaat heeft een zeer sterke behoefte tot stimulatie en een ongebruikelijk sterke afkeer van verveling. Hij leidt doorgaans een snel leven met veel risicogedragingen en experimenteren met drugs en hij vindt dat school, werk en langdurende relaties saai en vervelend zijn (prikkelhongerig/neiging tot verveling). Een psychopaat kiest er vaak voor om te teren op de zak van zijn familie, partner of vrienden, en vermijdt het hebben van een vaste baan (parasitaire levensstijl). Kenmerkend is dat er vaak sprake is van opvliegendheid en een slechte beheersing. Op mislukkingen, kritiek en frustraties reageert een psychopaat vaak met geweld, scheldpartijen of bedreigingen, waarbij deze reacties even snel kunnen ophouden als ze begonnen zijn (gebrekkige beheersing van gedrag). Een psychopaat gedraagt zich vaak uitermate impulsief, zonder echt stil te staan bij de voors en tegens van bepaalde gedragingen. Relaties worden nogal eens beëindigd, banen worden nogal eens opgezegd en verhuizingen vinden nogal eens plaats zonder dat anderen daarover worden geïnformeerd en zonder dat de beslissing daartoe echt goed is overdacht (impulsiviteit). De psychopaat toont geen verantwoordelijkheidsgevoel of loyaliteit naar familie, vrienden, werkgevers, huisbazen of anderen. Zijn omgang met geld is vaak bedroevend, hij heeft vaak schulden, gaat vaak beroerd om met zakenrelaties, en is zijn familie vaak enorm tot last (onverantwoordelijk gedrag). Een psychopaat heeft geen plannen of doelen voor de lange termijn. Hij leeft van dag tot dag en verandert zijn plannen continu, en stoort zich er niet aan dat zijn leven vrij inhoudsloos is (ontbreken van realistische doelen op de lange termijn). De kinderjaren kenmerken zich door tal van problemen zoals liegen, vechtpartijen, diefstalletjes, berovingen, brandstichtingen en uitingen van geweld tegen mens en dier. De psychopaat staat daardoor vaak al vroeg bekend als het zwarte schaap van de familie (gedragsproblemen op jonge leeftijd). De tienerjaren kenmerken zich door ernstig antisociaal gedrag en door arrestaties en veroordelingen vanwege criminele gedragingen (jeugdcriminaliteit). Als volwassene onderneemt de gedetineerde psychopaat ontsnappingspogingen uit gevangenissen, keert hij niet terug van weekendverloven, begaat hij delicten tijdens zijn voorwaardelijke invrijheidsstelling, en breekt hij de voorwaarden van de voorwaardelijke gevangenisstraf (schending van voorwaardelijke invrijheidsstelling).

Drie resterende kenmerken in de PCLR zijn weliswaar problematisch maar hebben minder duidelijk betrekking op gevoelens en relaties met anderen of op de levensstijl. De drie kenmerken betreffen seksuele losbandigheid, een verleden met veel huwlijken en/of samenwoonrelaties, en een strafblad met veel verschillende soorten delicten. Deze 20 kenmerken beschrijven de echte psychopaat. In de praktijk zal men echter niemand tegenkomen met precies deze kenmerken. Vaak lijken kenmerken op de beschreven kenmerken maar zijn zij niet helemaal hetzelfde. Ook zal men tegenkomen dat sommige kenmerken wel aanwezig zijn maar andere niet

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Op dinsdag 5 februari 2008 12:36 schreef Ryan3 het volgende:

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My positoin is that it is not even close to subtility what their counterparts are doing. Paul is supposedly a womanizer and he drinks a lot, and so he must have knowledge of the drugs related underground on Aruba, and so he's apt to help his son in such a hot spot.
Probably this sort of assumption is created by Mrs.Twitty, the hard boiled christian. Not even only Joran is a bad peron, also his father must be (hey and he is suppossed to be a womanizer hey, and he drinks a lot hey), and hell even the whole of Holland must be.

Nope, ik luister niet naar de ouders van natalee of joran zei zullen nooit en te nimmer objectief over de zaak praten ze beschermen hun kinderen. Beth zal niks zeggen over dat natalee veel te veel had gedronken net zo min als de ouders van joran iets gaan zeggen over dat ie pokerverslaafd is en regelmatig zonder hun weten weer op stap was. Ik hoor die moeder van joran nog zeggen "ik heb hem goed opgevoed" of iets in die trant...tja. Volgens haar wel ja.

Mijn vermoedens zijn gebaseerd uit nieuwsfeiten, politieberichten en hetgeen joran in de auto zegt.

I just read the first thread and I wonder what Observer thinks has happened to Natalee.

harjajuku start here

Reckon Im missing something. Ha, ha?

here Natalee Holloway (in the rebound).

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Op dinsdag 5 februari 2008 17:45 schreef johan555 het volgende:
here Natalee Holloway (in the rebound).

Ja, leuk. Maar ik zie nergens een duidelijk stukje van wat hij denkt dat er gebeurt is. Dus je punt ontgaat mij enigzins.

Natalee Holloway (in the rebound). is deel een
en dit is het vervolg part 2

En in mijn eerste post zeg ik dat ik dat gelezen heb. Wtf is je punt nu

Waai aar wie tokking inglis?

Omdat die observer een Canadees is ofzo

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Mornin all,

I am off to work...Wanted to wish you all a good day!! Good to see you in the cage Eurobert!!
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Observer

Did you read the Dutch quote on last thread...to you??...they want you to organize info better...so they can find stuff easier....posted on that Dutch forum...
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LOL We have almost 3 yrs worth of work! Leave it to the Dutch to want it orderly. Guess they are wanting to know more history, timeline stuff. At least we know they read here now.

OK so the Dutch are pissed, the Americans are pissed... any word on how the Arubans feel about Joran's interviews?
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Op dinsdag 5 februari 2008 18:02 schreef Harajuku. het volgende:
Omdat die observer een Canadees is ofzo

Zenk joe.

Tering, wat een hoop info staat er op die scared monkeys zeg... ben hard aan het bijlezen, dus ff tvp (sorry!)

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Op dinsdag 5 februari 2008 18:31 schreef Tennessee het volgende:
Tering, wat een hoop info staat er op die scared monkeys zeg... ben hard aan het bijlezen, dus ff tvp (sorry!)

Ik ben ook al de hele tijd daar aan het lezen...

The more I read on Scared Monkeys, the less I understand of Peter R de Vries' programme.

Question for our American/Canadian friends; How was the show received over there? What's your opinion of Peter R. de Vries and what he said?

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Op dinsdag 5 februari 2008 11:18 schreef Ticker het volgende:

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Have you even seen the broadcast in detail?
A person that spills his guts the first time he can talk about in, in such a rapid way is not lying.
It was the second day that Patrick brought it up again, and started asking for he name of the person.
The first day Joran talked about this person or people he named them 'higher powers" and a name 'he would take to the gave'.
The day after he migth have had a night sleep about it, thinkig that telling patrick the story in details isn't necessary and thus changing some names and people in this story.

You also seem to forget the way Joran reacted to Pauw&Witteman, the day the world got story about the hidden camera tapes, and asked him about it on phone.
He was stuttering, not knowing in what way this could inflict him, still believing Patrick is his friend.
I mean he told everyone he knew this girl is dead. Why act as a attorney for him by making stuff up that would only make the story more complicated then it is.

Just a a little comment:
If you look at the video, you'll notice that it's Patrick who first uses the words 'higher power'...then Joran repeats those words and says 'yeah higher power...higher powers'

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Op dinsdag 5 februari 2008 19:01 schreef yvonne het volgende:

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Ik ben ook al de hele tijd daar aan het lezen...

nou, doe es een link dan

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Op dinsdag 5 februari 2008 19:43 schreef 3rr0r het volgende:

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Just a a little comment:
If you look at the video, you'll notice that it's Patrick who first uses the words 'higher power'...then Joran repeats those words and says 'yeah higher power...higher powers'

also Patrick is the first one to suggest a boat to Joran. then Joran confirms.
and Patrick asks questions like: 'so then you let him dump the body in the ocean' to wich Joran says yes.
i know the defense is going to use this.
Joe Tacopina, the american adivsory lawyer to Jorans dutch attorney already tried this yesterday on Greta's show on Fox.
he said that Patrick just puts words in Jorans mouth.
that may be partly true in some cases.
but overall Joran makes a very detailed confession on his own, especially in the later conversations they had.

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Op dinsdag 5 februari 2008 19:55 schreef Qwea het volgende:

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nou, doe es een link dan

http://scaredmonkeys.net/

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Op dinsdag 5 februari 2008 19:58 schreef Tennessee het volgende:

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http://scaredmonkeys.net/

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Op dinsdag 5 februari 2008 19:59 schreef Qwea het volgende:

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dan doe je iets niet goed, ik had er nul...

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Op dinsdag 5 februari 2008 19:59 schreef Qwea het volgende:

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Nooit van een pop-up blocker gehoord?

Wat een kut site.

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Natalee was reported missing later that morning, after she failed to appear to appear for her group flight home. Her passport, phone, and luggage were all found in her hotel room; the only items missing were those she had on her when she left for Carlos 'n Charlie's.

So the theory that Joran called his friend/dad with Natalee's phone doesn't fit.

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Later that day, Joran and the Kalpoes each gave formal witness statements to police, in which Satish also claimed to have seen the security guard. According to former Aruban police chief Gerold Dompig, surveilance of the trio, which included phone wiretaps, began on the third day after Natalee was reported missing.

On June 5, 2005, police made their first arrests in the case: Two security guards, Abraham Jones and Antonious "Mickey" John, both of whom matched the general description provided by the Kalpoes. The guards were held until June 13.

Observer said earlier that the police arrested 2 innocent black man. These 2 men were arrested because deepak, joran and satish said they had seen a black man approached Natalee at the holliday inn. I don't find it strange that those 2 men were arrested.

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On April 15, 2006, Aruban police arrested 19 year-old Geoffery von Cromviort, on suspicion of involvement in the disappearance. He was held until April 26, 2006. The exact reasons for Von Cromviort's detention were never publicly clarified: Apparently he and Joran did not know each other, and according to his attorney, he denied ever meeting Natalee. Another individual with initials "A.B." was arrested on April 22, 2006, but released the same day.

that, I find very strange.

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Guido Wever, a friend of Joran and former croupier at the Holiday Inn, was arrested in the Netherlands on May 17, 2006, becoming the tenth person to be detained in the Holloway case. Wever's arrest was based largely on statements given in early 2006, by several witnesses, who claimed he had scratches on his face in the days following the disappearance. However, Wever's attorney disputed those claims, and although Aruban authorities requested his transfer to the island, he was instead released on May 23.

Scratches on the face, and still be released ?

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Op dinsdag 5 februari 2008 20:02 schreef Tennessee het volgende:

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dan doe je iets niet goed, ik had er nul...

Mn FF gaf aan dat er 3 wouden poppen

Observer ; there are rumors that in Lorenzo's basement were found clothes of Natalee. Is this true?

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Op dinsdag 5 februari 2008 18:06 schreef Caesu het volgende:
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Mornin all,

I am off to work...Wanted to wish you all a good day!! Good to see you in the cage Eurobert!!

Observer

Did you read the Dutch quote on last thread...to you??...they want you to organize info better...so they can find stuff easier....posted on that Dutch forum...
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LOL We have almost 3 yrs worth of work! Leave it to the Dutch to want it orderly. Guess they are wanting to know more history, timeline stuff. At least we know they read here now.

OK so the Dutch are pissed, the Americans are pissed... any word on how the Arubans feel about Joran's interviews?
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Hello Caesu,

I agree that SM needs to be better organized and I will talk to the Admin about it..I have wanted to put all the information all together for quite awhile now..Just time consuming..It's all in my head and mostly on my computer so I want to share as much knowledge with my dutch friends as possible..Hope everyone is well?

tvp

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Op dinsdag 5 februari 2008 21:11 schreef Qwea het volgende:
Observer ; there are rumors that in Lorenzo's basement were found clothes of Natalee. Is this true?

Yes,Back in the beginning a friend of his posted named Dolores at a site called RWV..I saved her posts at the Lorenzo thread at SM. She defended him big time but told us someone called in a anonymous tip saying that Natalee's clothes were in his home/basement and that lead to his arrest and search of his mom's home and boat. I believe there were others that told us the same thing.. No idea if it was true or not though. From what I have heard his house was never searched at all and no forensics were done. People really defend this guy and led us to believe he didnt exist for a long time but most everything that was posted turned out to be true. I have reason to believe he was questioned the first week,the 16th and again the 28th at a minimum. As you know he had a party that night and a person Named Max Arendsz was rumored to provide a alibi for him. Joran also caught the bus one day after Natalee dissapeared by his house..I believe Paul VDS said he dropped him there to save time to go to school.

His mothers house is now a vacation place that they rent out to tourists. Nothing connects this house but this what we were told was searched.
clubarias.com

Old Posts on Lorenzo at SM (Most of the posts were from Arubans)
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1291.0

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Op dinsdag 5 februari 2008 19:06 schreef Tennessee het volgende:
The more I read on Scared Monkeys, the less I understand of Peter R de Vries' programme.

Question for our American/Canadian friends; How was the show received over there? What's your opinion of Peter R. de Vries and what he said?

Personally I love Mr.De Vries and was amazed at his first show..I think he did a great Job in this latest Investigation but I believe Joran was not telling the truth about many things. I am happy,because this brought Natalee's case to attention world wide and people got to hear the real Joran. I hope people take interest and demand answers,especially in Aruba. Much of what is on TV for us we knew long ago and have so many questions that remained to be answered..That is what we try to do everyday at SM is piece together this mystery. I am convinced all the answers are in the beginning in June 2005.

There was a investigation done in Aruba on the Lions Den by Clausen Investigation that I thought you all may find interesting. This was a real place where some of the powerful in Aruba went to party and have sex with women. Everyone in Aruba knows about the place but no one talks about it. Some speculate that Natalee was brought there..If nothing else it is interesting reading.

Evidentiary Review Scroll down to near the bottom for pictures
Natalee Holloway (in the rebound) II

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Op dinsdag 5 februari 2008 17:22 schreef Harajuku. het volgende:
I just read the first thread and I wonder what Observer thinks has happened to Natalee.

I really believe these may be important clues into what happened to Natalee. I know Joran's American Lawyer has said that the VCB shirt found had forensic material on it and has been linked to Natalee's case. Why they waited a year to arrest GVC I have no idea..
On June 5th 2005 a Bloody Mattress was found on the southern tip of the island called grapefield beach,it was saturated with Blood with a dead dog found near it. Within 3 hours the Arubans said it was dogs blood and not linked to the case. Also found were a pair of sandals. This was the same day the 2 innocent security guards were arrested.

On June 6th 2005 in the colony area also the southern part of the island A VCB Security shirt(Rumored to have blood on it)was found with styraphone with teeth marks,a pair of sunglasses and suspicious materials inside of a lysol bottle. There was also a phone call on this day alerting people to search another area called weg fontein. Aruban officials have never stated that the findings are not related to Natalees dissapearance.



On June 7th Awemainta newspaper said Natalee was dead..The next day they said they made a mistake and that it was a 17 yr old male who died and not Natalee.

This is perhaps the biggest day in the case. It was reported all over America. There was a confession from one of the suspects ,something bad happened and they were leading them to the body. It was reported on all our major news outlets and confirmed by the Minister of Justice office. Many links on the net you can read about this and tons of resources what happened on the 10th and 11th. Many of us are positive Joran confessed and it was retracted the next day. The Minister of Justice said it was mis-information and they never spoke of it again. On June 13th Joran stated that Deepak came back and raped and killed Natalee and that is documented on the net as well. This was a article that came out in Diario newspaper that talks about what the reporter saw.

“They Buried Natalee in the neighborhood of Fishermen huts"

http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/?p=1260

According to information that DIARIO is receiving, when Joran van der Sloot was detained he started crying during interrogation and he even told officers that they buried Natalee in the neighborhood of Fishermen hutsIt could be deduced that he doesn’t remember precisely where, but in the neighborhood of Fishermen huts, the elder Kalpoe brother buried Natalee. He told police that he would cooperate but that didn’t last long.

As for the Kalpoe Brothers, they also made fun of our authority because they simply told the cops: “No Body means No Case”
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Most every Major news source reported something bad happened,Natalee was confirmed dead and they were leading them to her body.
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2005/06/11/breaking/

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Op dinsdag 5 februari 2008 23:13 schreef observer777 het volgende:

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Observer

Did you read the Dutch quote on last thread...to you??...they want you to organize info better...so they can find stuff easier....posted on that Dutch forum...


LOL We have almost 3 yrs worth of work! Leave it to the Dutch to want it orderly. Guess they are wanting to know more history, timeline stuff. At least we know they read here now.

OK so the Dutch are pissed, the Americans are pissed... any word on how the Arubans feel about Joran's interviews?

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2572.msg341259#msg341259

Hello Caesu,

I agree that SM needs to be better organized and I will talk to the Admin about it..I have wanted to put all the information all together for quite awhile now..Just time consuming..It's all in my head and mostly on my computer so I want to share as much knowledge with my dutch friends as possible..Hope everyone is well?

thanks!
i think it is great to keep a thread running over here in english.
maybe that way we can help to piece together what did happen those fatal days in may/june 05.
we can translate interesting bits about the case for example. or help with possible leads.

the amount of information on SM is just overwhelming like i said in my first post in this topic.
but slowly i am taking more information in.

what i am thinking these last few days. i am struggling with the cover up theory.

if there is a massive cover up: why would all these people in (some in high positions / higher powers) risk their careers / relationships / even aruban economy just to keep this snotty lying bastard JvdS of the hook???
because his dad is also involved. what's so special about Paul vdS to risk all that for the 'high powers'?
of course there must be a lot more to it then with a lot of people involved.
but why doesn't somebody chicken out then, because Joran can screw them all for a lesser sentence.
or does Joran himself even not know about the cover up.

i am really just scratching the surface...

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Op dinsdag 5 februari 2008 23:54 schreef Harajuku. het volgende:

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Hello Harajuku! I only have theories about what happened to Natalee and can only speculate. When I have time if you are interested I will tell you them all. I have 3 scenarios that might have happened with many possibilities. I will tell you the main theory amongst people that have followed this case since day one. Many different scenarious but these few details I feel strongly about.

She was administered GHB at Carlos and Charlies and was most likely filmed or raped. At some point she woke up and fought back and suffered a massive head injury. At some point she was definetly at the Van Der Sloot house and left forensic evidence. Joran called his Father who instructed the boys what to do and the cover up started. PVDS either dropped them off or picked them up around 3-4AM.

Satish was probably dropped off at home and Deepak,Joran,Guido and probably Freddy were together. Lorenzo plays a role in this some how,just not sure exactly how at this time. Also a possibility that Koen Gottenbos(Or Sander) plays a role,possibly by using his boat for disposal.

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Op woensdag 6 februari 2008 00:33 schreef observer777 het volgende:

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Hello Harajuku! I only have theories about what happened to Natalee and can only speculate. When I have time if you are interested I will tell you them all. I have 3 scenarios that might have happened with many possibilities. I will tell you the main theory amongst people that have followed this case since day one. Many different scenarious but these few details I feel strongly about.

She was administered GHB at Carlos and Charlies and was most likely filmed or raped. At some point she woke up and fought back and suffered a massive head injury. At some point she was definetly at the Van Der Sloot house and left forensic evidence. Joran called his Father who instructed the boys what to do and the cover up started. PVDS either dropped them off or picked them up around 3-4AM.

Satish was probably dropped off at home and Deepak,Joran,Guido and probably Freddy were together. Lorenzo plays a role in this some how,just not sure exactly how at this time. Also a possibility that Koen Gottenbos(Or Sander) plays a role,possibly by using his boat for disposal.

Do u have any evidence for this? Innocent until proven ( without any reasonable doubt) quilty.

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Op woensdag 6 februari 2008 00:25 schreef Caesu het volgende:

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thanks!
i think it is great to keep a thread running over here in english.
maybe that way we can help to piece together what did happen those fatal days in may/june 05.
we can translate interesting bits about the case for example. or help with possible leads.

the amount of information on SM is just overwhelming like i said in my first post in this topic.
but slowly i am taking more information in.

what i am thinking these last few days. i am struggling with the cover up theory.

if there is a massive cover up: why would all these people in (some in high positions / higher powers) risk their careers / relationships / even aruban economy just to keep this snotty lying bastard JvdS of the hook???
because his dad is also involved. what's so special about Paul vdS to risk all that for the 'high powers'?
of course there must be a lot more to it then with a lot of people involved.
but why doesn't somebody chicken out then, because Joran can screw them all for a lesser sentence.
or does Joran himself even not know about the cover up.

i am really just scratching the surface...

HI! Good to see you Yes,that sounds like a great idea!

I could fill up these pages with why I am absolutely convinced it was a coverup. It is so ridiculous and absurd that it looks like a idiot was pulling the strings in this cover up. So much info and proof,it would take me a full day to show it all. I am not sure why the cover up but it happened and continues to happen. Could be because of everyone that got involved early and there was no looking back or its something much bigger. I know they care about there reputation and tourism first and everything else second. You have to understand that something like 70% of Aruba's economy is through America's tourism and 70-80% of Arubans work is associated with Tourism. The Aruban Govt is linked to Money Laundering and the drug trade and several of the ministers were caught transporting drugs,rape or pimping out women for the sex industry. One of them even runs a brothel in Venezuela. It has been 12 years since a American was murdered in Aruba and the rest have dissapeared or killed themselves..So many suspicious deaths! Even one that I am very close to that involved a dutch person. We know for sure the Aruban GOVT has spent millions to attack the victim and her family and spread the most ridiculous,slanderous lying stories and has done it since the very beginning. That would be another topic that we could talk about for quite along time. That is all over the net and is well documented.
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This is a small tidbit but very peculiar..You have a show called Opsporing Verzocht which is like our Americas Most Wanted..Normally they get actors they look very similar to the criminals they portray..So people will recognize them and come forward. But when this show was done in Aruba they had a black islander playing the role of Joran..Not only did he not look anything like him but he was older a different race. We were told the higher powers in Aruba restricted what the dutch program could do and made them pick from people just in the police academy. This is absurd..How could they pick this guy to portray the main suspect a dutch white guy in the biggest murder case ever in Aruba..Why would they do this? Does this look anything like Joran Van Der Sloot? This was just one of the many things that made everyone sick who watched this story broadcasted in the Netherlands.
Opsporing Verzocht is een opsporingsmiddel van politie en justitie. Deze twee diensten bepalen de inhoud van het programma tot in elk detail.

Opsporing verzocht is a tool to solve crimes for the police and DA's office. They decide the content of the show into the smallest detail
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Actor who played Joran Van Der Sloot in Opsporing Verzocht Reenactment of the Natalee Holloway case in Aruba