Natalee Holloway (in the rebound) #2

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Op dinsdag 5 februari 2008 18:31 schreef Tennessee het volgende:
Tering, wat een hoop info staat er op die scared monkeys zeg... ben hard aan het bijlezen, dus ff tvp (sorry!)

Ik ben ook al de hele tijd daar aan het lezen...

The more I read on Scared Monkeys, the less I understand of Peter R de Vries' programme.

Question for our American/Canadian friends; How was the show received over there? What's your opinion of Peter R. de Vries and what he said?

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Op dinsdag 5 februari 2008 11:18 schreef Ticker het volgende:

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Have you even seen the broadcast in detail?
A person that spills his guts the first time he can talk about in, in such a rapid way is not lying.
It was the second day that Patrick brought it up again, and started asking for he name of the person.
The first day Joran talked about this person or people he named them 'higher powers" and a name 'he would take to the gave'.
The day after he migth have had a night sleep about it, thinkig that telling patrick the story in details isn't necessary and thus changing some names and people in this story.

You also seem to forget the way Joran reacted to Pauw&Witteman, the day the world got story about the hidden camera tapes, and asked him about it on phone.
He was stuttering, not knowing in what way this could inflict him, still believing Patrick is his friend.
I mean he told everyone he knew this girl is dead. Why act as a attorney for him by making stuff up that would only make the story more complicated then it is.

Just a a little comment:
If you look at the video, you'll notice that it's Patrick who first uses the words 'higher power'...then Joran repeats those words and says 'yeah higher power...higher powers'

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Op dinsdag 5 februari 2008 19:01 schreef yvonne het volgende:

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Ik ben ook al de hele tijd daar aan het lezen...

nou, doe es een link dan

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Op dinsdag 5 februari 2008 19:43 schreef 3rr0r het volgende:

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Just a a little comment:
If you look at the video, you'll notice that it's Patrick who first uses the words 'higher power'...then Joran repeats those words and says 'yeah higher power...higher powers'

also Patrick is the first one to suggest a boat to Joran. then Joran confirms.
and Patrick asks questions like: 'so then you let him dump the body in the ocean' to wich Joran says yes.
i know the defense is going to use this.
Joe Tacopina, the american adivsory lawyer to Jorans dutch attorney already tried this yesterday on Greta's show on Fox.
he said that Patrick just puts words in Jorans mouth.
that may be partly true in some cases.
but overall Joran makes a very detailed confession on his own, especially in the later conversations they had.

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Op dinsdag 5 februari 2008 19:55 schreef Qwea het volgende:

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nou, doe es een link dan

http://scaredmonkeys.net/

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Op dinsdag 5 februari 2008 19:58 schreef Tennessee het volgende:

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http://scaredmonkeys.net/

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Op dinsdag 5 februari 2008 19:59 schreef Qwea het volgende:

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dan doe je iets niet goed, ik had er nul...

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Op dinsdag 5 februari 2008 19:59 schreef Qwea het volgende:

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Wat een kut site.

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Natalee was reported missing later that morning, after she failed to appear to appear for her group flight home. Her passport, phone, and luggage were all found in her hotel room; the only items missing were those she had on her when she left for Carlos 'n Charlie's.

So the theory that Joran called his friend/dad with Natalee's phone doesn't fit.

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Later that day, Joran and the Kalpoes each gave formal witness statements to police, in which Satish also claimed to have seen the security guard. According to former Aruban police chief Gerold Dompig, surveilance of the trio, which included phone wiretaps, began on the third day after Natalee was reported missing.

On June 5, 2005, police made their first arrests in the case: Two security guards, Abraham Jones and Antonious "Mickey" John, both of whom matched the general description provided by the Kalpoes. The guards were held until June 13.

Observer said earlier that the police arrested 2 innocent black man. These 2 men were arrested because deepak, joran and satish said they had seen a black man approached Natalee at the holliday inn. I don't find it strange that those 2 men were arrested.

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On April 15, 2006, Aruban police arrested 19 year-old Geoffery von Cromviort, on suspicion of involvement in the disappearance. He was held until April 26, 2006. The exact reasons for Von Cromviort's detention were never publicly clarified: Apparently he and Joran did not know each other, and according to his attorney, he denied ever meeting Natalee. Another individual with initials "A.B." was arrested on April 22, 2006, but released the same day.

that, I find very strange.

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Guido Wever, a friend of Joran and former croupier at the Holiday Inn, was arrested in the Netherlands on May 17, 2006, becoming the tenth person to be detained in the Holloway case. Wever's arrest was based largely on statements given in early 2006, by several witnesses, who claimed he had scratches on his face in the days following the disappearance. However, Wever's attorney disputed those claims, and although Aruban authorities requested his transfer to the island, he was instead released on May 23.

Scratches on the face, and still be released ?

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Op dinsdag 5 februari 2008 20:02 schreef Tennessee het volgende:

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dan doe je iets niet goed, ik had er nul...

Mn FF gaf aan dat er 3 wouden poppen

Observer ; there are rumors that in Lorenzo's basement were found clothes of Natalee. Is this true?

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Op dinsdag 5 februari 2008 18:06 schreef Caesu het volgende:
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Mornin all,

I am off to work...Wanted to wish you all a good day!! Good to see you in the cage Eurobert!!

Observer

Did you read the Dutch quote on last thread...to you??...they want you to organize info better...so they can find stuff easier....posted on that Dutch forum...
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LOL We have almost 3 yrs worth of work! Leave it to the Dutch to want it orderly. Guess they are wanting to know more history, timeline stuff. At least we know they read here now.

OK so the Dutch are pissed, the Americans are pissed... any word on how the Arubans feel about Joran's interviews?
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Hello Caesu,

I agree that SM needs to be better organized and I will talk to the Admin about it..I have wanted to put all the information all together for quite awhile now..Just time consuming..It's all in my head and mostly on my computer so I want to share as much knowledge with my dutch friends as possible..Hope everyone is well?

tvp

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Op dinsdag 5 februari 2008 21:11 schreef Qwea het volgende:
Observer ; there are rumors that in Lorenzo's basement were found clothes of Natalee. Is this true?

Yes,Back in the beginning a friend of his posted named Dolores at a site called RWV..I saved her posts at the Lorenzo thread at SM. She defended him big time but told us someone called in a anonymous tip saying that Natalee's clothes were in his home/basement and that lead to his arrest and search of his mom's home and boat. I believe there were others that told us the same thing.. No idea if it was true or not though. From what I have heard his house was never searched at all and no forensics were done. People really defend this guy and led us to believe he didnt exist for a long time but most everything that was posted turned out to be true. I have reason to believe he was questioned the first week,the 16th and again the 28th at a minimum. As you know he had a party that night and a person Named Max Arendsz was rumored to provide a alibi for him. Joran also caught the bus one day after Natalee dissapeared by his house..I believe Paul VDS said he dropped him there to save time to go to school.

His mothers house is now a vacation place that they rent out to tourists. Nothing connects this house but this what we were told was searched.
clubarias.com

Old Posts on Lorenzo at SM (Most of the posts were from Arubans)
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1291.0

[ Bericht 4% gewijzigd door observer777 op 05-02-2008 23:48:45 ]

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Op dinsdag 5 februari 2008 19:06 schreef Tennessee het volgende:
The more I read on Scared Monkeys, the less I understand of Peter R de Vries' programme.

Question for our American/Canadian friends; How was the show received over there? What's your opinion of Peter R. de Vries and what he said?

Personally I love Mr.De Vries and was amazed at his first show..I think he did a great Job in this latest Investigation but I believe Joran was not telling the truth about many things. I am happy,because this brought Natalee's case to attention world wide and people got to hear the real Joran. I hope people take interest and demand answers,especially in Aruba. Much of what is on TV for us we knew long ago and have so many questions that remained to be answered..That is what we try to do everyday at SM is piece together this mystery. I am convinced all the answers are in the beginning in June 2005.

There was a investigation done in Aruba on the Lions Den by Clausen Investigation that I thought you all may find interesting. This was a real place where some of the powerful in Aruba went to party and have sex with women. Everyone in Aruba knows about the place but no one talks about it. Some speculate that Natalee was brought there..If nothing else it is interesting reading.

Evidentiary Review Scroll down to near the bottom for pictures
Natalee Holloway (in the rebound) II

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Op dinsdag 5 februari 2008 17:22 schreef Harajuku. het volgende:
I just read the first thread and I wonder what Observer thinks has happened to Natalee.

I really believe these may be important clues into what happened to Natalee. I know Joran's American Lawyer has said that the VCB shirt found had forensic material on it and has been linked to Natalee's case. Why they waited a year to arrest GVC I have no idea..
On June 5th 2005 a Bloody Mattress was found on the southern tip of the island called grapefield beach,it was saturated with Blood with a dead dog found near it. Within 3 hours the Arubans said it was dogs blood and not linked to the case. Also found were a pair of sandals. This was the same day the 2 innocent security guards were arrested.

On June 6th 2005 in the colony area also the southern part of the island A VCB Security shirt(Rumored to have blood on it)was found with styraphone with teeth marks,a pair of sunglasses and suspicious materials inside of a lysol bottle. There was also a phone call on this day alerting people to search another area called weg fontein. Aruban officials have never stated that the findings are not related to Natalees dissapearance.



On June 7th Awemainta newspaper said Natalee was dead..The next day they said they made a mistake and that it was a 17 yr old male who died and not Natalee.

This is perhaps the biggest day in the case. It was reported all over America. There was a confession from one of the suspects ,something bad happened and they were leading them to the body. It was reported on all our major news outlets and confirmed by the Minister of Justice office. Many links on the net you can read about this and tons of resources what happened on the 10th and 11th. Many of us are positive Joran confessed and it was retracted the next day. The Minister of Justice said it was mis-information and they never spoke of it again. On June 13th Joran stated that Deepak came back and raped and killed Natalee and that is documented on the net as well. This was a article that came out in Diario newspaper that talks about what the reporter saw.

“They Buried Natalee in the neighborhood of Fishermen huts"

http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/?p=1260

According to information that DIARIO is receiving, when Joran van der Sloot was detained he started crying during interrogation and he even told officers that they buried Natalee in the neighborhood of Fishermen hutsIt could be deduced that he doesn’t remember precisely where, but in the neighborhood of Fishermen huts, the elder Kalpoe brother buried Natalee. He told police that he would cooperate but that didn’t last long.

As for the Kalpoe Brothers, they also made fun of our authority because they simply told the cops: “No Body means No Case”
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Most every Major news source reported something bad happened,Natalee was confirmed dead and they were leading them to her body.
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2005/06/11/breaking/

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Op dinsdag 5 februari 2008 23:13 schreef observer777 het volgende:

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Observer

Did you read the Dutch quote on last thread...to you??...they want you to organize info better...so they can find stuff easier....posted on that Dutch forum...


LOL We have almost 3 yrs worth of work! Leave it to the Dutch to want it orderly. Guess they are wanting to know more history, timeline stuff. At least we know they read here now.

OK so the Dutch are pissed, the Americans are pissed... any word on how the Arubans feel about Joran's interviews?

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2572.msg341259#msg341259

Hello Caesu,

I agree that SM needs to be better organized and I will talk to the Admin about it..I have wanted to put all the information all together for quite awhile now..Just time consuming..It's all in my head and mostly on my computer so I want to share as much knowledge with my dutch friends as possible..Hope everyone is well?

thanks!
i think it is great to keep a thread running over here in english.
maybe that way we can help to piece together what did happen those fatal days in may/june 05.
we can translate interesting bits about the case for example. or help with possible leads.

the amount of information on SM is just overwhelming like i said in my first post in this topic.
but slowly i am taking more information in.

what i am thinking these last few days. i am struggling with the cover up theory.

if there is a massive cover up: why would all these people in (some in high positions / higher powers) risk their careers / relationships / even aruban economy just to keep this snotty lying bastard JvdS of the hook???
because his dad is also involved. what's so special about Paul vdS to risk all that for the 'high powers'?
of course there must be a lot more to it then with a lot of people involved.
but why doesn't somebody chicken out then, because Joran can screw them all for a lesser sentence.
or does Joran himself even not know about the cover up.

i am really just scratching the surface...

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Op dinsdag 5 februari 2008 23:54 schreef Harajuku. het volgende:

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Hello Harajuku! I only have theories about what happened to Natalee and can only speculate. When I have time if you are interested I will tell you them all. I have 3 scenarios that might have happened with many possibilities. I will tell you the main theory amongst people that have followed this case since day one. Many different scenarious but these few details I feel strongly about.

She was administered GHB at Carlos and Charlies and was most likely filmed or raped. At some point she woke up and fought back and suffered a massive head injury. At some point she was definetly at the Van Der Sloot house and left forensic evidence. Joran called his Father who instructed the boys what to do and the cover up started. PVDS either dropped them off or picked them up around 3-4AM.

Satish was probably dropped off at home and Deepak,Joran,Guido and probably Freddy were together. Lorenzo plays a role in this some how,just not sure exactly how at this time. Also a possibility that Koen Gottenbos(Or Sander) plays a role,possibly by using his boat for disposal.

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Op woensdag 6 februari 2008 00:33 schreef observer777 het volgende:

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Hello Harajuku! I only have theories about what happened to Natalee and can only speculate. When I have time if you are interested I will tell you them all. I have 3 scenarios that might have happened with many possibilities. I will tell you the main theory amongst people that have followed this case since day one. Many different scenarious but these few details I feel strongly about.

She was administered GHB at Carlos and Charlies and was most likely filmed or raped. At some point she woke up and fought back and suffered a massive head injury. At some point she was definetly at the Van Der Sloot house and left forensic evidence. Joran called his Father who instructed the boys what to do and the cover up started. PVDS either dropped them off or picked them up around 3-4AM.

Satish was probably dropped off at home and Deepak,Joran,Guido and probably Freddy were together. Lorenzo plays a role in this some how,just not sure exactly how at this time. Also a possibility that Koen Gottenbos(Or Sander) plays a role,possibly by using his boat for disposal.

Do u have any evidence for this? Innocent until proven ( without any reasonable doubt) quilty.

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Op woensdag 6 februari 2008 00:25 schreef Caesu het volgende:

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thanks!
i think it is great to keep a thread running over here in english.
maybe that way we can help to piece together what did happen those fatal days in may/june 05.
we can translate interesting bits about the case for example. or help with possible leads.

the amount of information on SM is just overwhelming like i said in my first post in this topic.
but slowly i am taking more information in.

what i am thinking these last few days. i am struggling with the cover up theory.

if there is a massive cover up: why would all these people in (some in high positions / higher powers) risk their careers / relationships / even aruban economy just to keep this snotty lying bastard JvdS of the hook???
because his dad is also involved. what's so special about Paul vdS to risk all that for the 'high powers'?
of course there must be a lot more to it then with a lot of people involved.
but why doesn't somebody chicken out then, because Joran can screw them all for a lesser sentence.
or does Joran himself even not know about the cover up.

i am really just scratching the surface...

HI! Good to see you Yes,that sounds like a great idea!

I could fill up these pages with why I am absolutely convinced it was a coverup. It is so ridiculous and absurd that it looks like a idiot was pulling the strings in this cover up. So much info and proof,it would take me a full day to show it all. I am not sure why the cover up but it happened and continues to happen. Could be because of everyone that got involved early and there was no looking back or its something much bigger. I know they care about there reputation and tourism first and everything else second. You have to understand that something like 70% of Aruba's economy is through America's tourism and 70-80% of Arubans work is associated with Tourism. The Aruban Govt is linked to Money Laundering and the drug trade and several of the ministers were caught transporting drugs,rape or pimping out women for the sex industry. One of them even runs a brothel in Venezuela. It has been 12 years since a American was murdered in Aruba and the rest have dissapeared or killed themselves..So many suspicious deaths! Even one that I am very close to that involved a dutch person. We know for sure the Aruban GOVT has spent millions to attack the victim and her family and spread the most ridiculous,slanderous lying stories and has done it since the very beginning. That would be another topic that we could talk about for quite along time. That is all over the net and is well documented.
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This is a small tidbit but very peculiar..You have a show called Opsporing Verzocht which is like our Americas Most Wanted..Normally they get actors they look very similar to the criminals they portray..So people will recognize them and come forward. But when this show was done in Aruba they had a black islander playing the role of Joran..Not only did he not look anything like him but he was older a different race. We were told the higher powers in Aruba restricted what the dutch program could do and made them pick from people just in the police academy. This is absurd..How could they pick this guy to portray the main suspect a dutch white guy in the biggest murder case ever in Aruba..Why would they do this? Does this look anything like Joran Van Der Sloot? This was just one of the many things that made everyone sick who watched this story broadcasted in the Netherlands.
Opsporing Verzocht is een opsporingsmiddel van politie en justitie. Deze twee diensten bepalen de inhoud van het programma tot in elk detail.

Opsporing verzocht is a tool to solve crimes for the police and DA's office. They decide the content of the show into the smallest detail
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Actor who played Joran Van Der Sloot in Opsporing Verzocht Reenactment of the Natalee Holloway case in Aruba