Natalee Holloway (in the rebound) #2

quote:

Op woensdag 6 februari 2008 10:42 schreef Harajuku. het volgende:

[..]

I didnt accuse you of hating Dutch or Aruban people
Yeah, sure I wouldnt be too happy if my daughter disappeard, but I wouldnt say all the things that Beth has said. They way she has been talking, from what I have seen, makes everyone responsible for Natalee disappearing. Just blah blah blah.

And hell, I dont know what F16s with infrared are supposed to do, hmm hmm. Apparently there was a big enough chance to find something with it, otherwise they wouldnt have wasted that there. Its neither Aruba or The Netherlands fault that that didnt work. Point is they tried, did their best. And they only get shit in return. Till Peter comes along! Peter, with his little tape. His little tape full of thigns the entire world already knows, and probably wont be of any use in court. Yet he gets a fucking throne.

And I dont know about the government being corrupt. You dont know that either. You cant tell for sure, 100%, that Aruba is sabotising this case. America can't say that either. Yet you tell everyone to boycot a country that lives off of tourists, American tourists. How can you approve of that? That is lots of innocent people getting hit. And did it work? Noooooo.

Do you know Beth? In personal.

Im not trying to be a bitch or something. I do appreciate your work, but there are just some things eh. I can´t agree with all you say.

We don't have to agree on everything I really don't see what Beth did and why she is so hated..She is such a sweet and caring lady..You should see things that have been done to her!! You would be shocked!! Imagine being threatened and told you would chopped up and used as fish food if you returned to Aruba! Imagine being lied about,slandered and attacked for 2.5 years..Trust me that Govt spent millions on there disinformation campaign and attack on her family.

I am happy for Peter,at least he made the effort!! I don't think he is done quite yet and I believe he is on a mission..I do know for sure that Govt is corrupt and sabotaged this case! They are really evil..Even the Aruban people I spoke to privately agree with me!! We have only heard how great things are in Aruba and how booked there hotel rooms are and that the boycott hasn't worked at all..I think they are lucky it hasn't been organized yet and turned into a active boycott..That poor family just wants there daughter,she deserves a proper burial back home.

quote:

Op woensdag 6 februari 2008 10:58 schreef observer777 het volgende:

[..]

We don't have to agree on everything I really don't see what Beth did and why she is so hated..She is such a sweet and caring lady..You should see things that have been done to her!! You would be shocked!! Imagine being threatened and told you would chopped up and used as fish food if you returned to Aruba! Imagine being lied about,slandered and attacked for 2.5 years..Trust me that Govt spent millions on there disinformation campaign and attack on her family.

I am happy for Peter,at least he made the effort!! I don't think he is done quite yet and I believe he is on a mission..I do know for sure that Govt is corrupt and sabotaged this case! They are really evil..Even the Aruban people I spoke to privately agree with me!! We have only heard how great things are in Aruba and how booked there hotel rooms are and that the boycott hasn't worked at all..I think they are lucky it hasn't been organized yet and turned into a active boycott..That poor family just wants there daughter,she deserves a proper burial back home.

You keep saying you do know, you do have proof, you do know this and that for a fact, but I havent seen any real proof yet

And about Peter, I really hope this wasnt all hes got. I really hope hes on this pedestal for a damn good reason.

quote:

Op woensdag 6 februari 2008 11:18 schreef Harajuku. het volgende:

[..]

You keep saying you do know, you do have proof, you do know this and that for a fact, but I havent seen any real proof yet

And about Peter, I really hope this wasnt all hes got. I really hope hes on this pedestal for a damn good reason.

What do you want proof of? Did you see what I posted on the Corruption and Collusion on the Aruban Govt? I can name 3 ministers that were caught Red Handed with drugs,rape and whoring women. Plus about 24 other things like letting a convicted mobster own and operate the hotel and casino where Natalee dissapeared from. If you are looking to defend that Aruban Govt you will not win..They are as corrupt and evil as they come.They most definetly covered up Natalees murder! Pick one subject and I will do my best to prove it,All of these subjects have been talked about and examined extensively at SM and should be very easy to provide facts.

I don't think that is all he has at all..He was pretty quiet after what he showed in his first show..He did very well there and has provided facts about some of the things you are asking about,like the search of that house,the admissions of Jorans lawyer and a few other things. I hope he keeps going.

quote:

Op woensdag 6 februari 2008 10:31 schreef deedeetee het volgende:

[..]

Je kunt 't ook in de bieb lenen Bij mijn bieb zijn beide boeken uitgeleend, en eerlijk gezegd heb ik toch niet zo'n interesse in 't lezen van nog meer leugens

Ik ben 18+ heb geen biebpas, en als 18+ zijnde moet je dokken. No thnx

quote:

Op woensdag 6 februari 2008 10:59 schreef Scorpie het volgende:

[..]

Wow. From the dissepearance of a young girl to a potential Government-wide cover up.
Looks like the script from 24, season 8!

It makes me think about "AAAAAAAAAAAAAh George Bush did 9/11!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

quote:

Op woensdag 6 februari 2008 11:35 schreef observer777 het volgende:

[..]

What do you want proof of? Did you see what I posted on the Corruption and Collusion on the Aruban Govt? I can name 3 ministers that were caught Red Handed with drugs,rape and whoring women. Plus about 24 other things like letting a convicted mobster own and operate the hotel and casino where Natalee dissapeared from. If you are looking to defend that Aruban Govt you will not win..They are as corrupt and evil as they come.They most definetly covered up Natalees murder! Pick one subject and I will do my best to prove it,All of these subjects have been talked about and examined extensively at SM and should be very easy to provide facts.

I don't think that is all he has at all..He was pretty quiet after what he showed in his first show..He did very well there and has provided facts about some of the things you are asking about,like the search of that house,the admissions of Jorans lawyer and a few other things. I hope he keeps going.

Oyoyoy, Im not trying to defend or protect anything or anyone. Certainly not Aruba cuz they dont mean shit to me
I just like facts

Thanks

quote:

Op woensdag 6 februari 2008 11:36 schreef Qwea het volgende:

[..]

Ik ben 18+ heb geen biebpas, en als 18+ zijnde moet je dokken. No thnx

Dat nieuwe systeem is echt retarded. Ik jat mn moeders pasje gewoon

Joran is goin to talk with tha polizzzze. (Tomorrow)

quote:

Op woensdag 6 februari 2008 11:41 schreef Harajuku. het volgende:

[..]

Dat nieuwe systeem is echt retarded. Ik jat mn moeders pasje gewoon

Niemand bij ons is lid van die kloten bieb

Staat er geen versie online?

quote:

Op woensdag 6 februari 2008 10:58 schreef observer777 het volgende:

She is such a sweet and caring lady..

Better not say that, not here in Holland, it can make us a bit
Say she 's angree, she want 's to know what the hell has happend to her daughter. And she won 't give up untill she know 's.
But keep the sweet and caring part away from us

[ Bericht 0% gewijzigd door deedeetee op 06-02-2008 11:57:19 ]

quote:

Op woensdag 6 februari 2008 11:50 schreef deedeetee het volgende:

[..]

Better not say that, not her in Holland, it can make us a bit
Say she 's angree, she want 's to know what the hell has happend to her daughter. And she won 't give up untill she know 's.
But keep the sweet and caring part away from us

sue me, but isn't that normal? What if you had a daughter and she went missing? Wouldn't you like to know what happend with her? Whatever it takes? I fucking know I would.

quote:

Op dinsdag 5 februari 2008 23:29 schreef observer777 het volgende:

[..]

Personally I love Mr.De Vries and was amazed at his first show..I think he did a great Job in this latest Investigation but I believe Joran was not telling the truth about many things. I am happy,because this brought Natalee's case to attention world wide and people got to hear the real Joran. I hope people take interest and demand answers,especially in Aruba. Much of what is on TV for us we knew long ago and have so many questions that remained to be answered..That is what we try to do everyday at SM is piece together this mystery. I am convinced all the answers are in the beginning in June 2005.

Hi Observer... Did you know that last year Mr. De Vries solved the JFK murder? He's receiving a lot of criticism right now, again, or still, for making teasers that promise the world followed by shows that just leave more questions much of the time and interviewing people in a horrible way, Beth is the latest example of that.. He's also talked about going into politics himself and after this show the chance of him doing so next elections just got a bit bigger. He might even join the PVV party of Mr. Geert Wilders who also has some followers on this forum. When I say a lot of criticism, that's very relative btw.

People here have definitely taken an interest. About half the population watched his show. An absolute record, I believe only matched by a few soccer games. Many of those people now seem convinced that what Joran said is essentially true. Your website paints a very different picture. It will be very interesting to see what will happen next, although I do think it's quite predictable.

As to cover ups; you'll probably find most Dutch people do believe that 9/11 was a total cover up while at the same time finding it very hard to believe our own government could be in any way guilty of anything, even though we've been dealing with scandal after scandal over the years with very few people really being punished. Us Dutchies like to feel very superior and like to accuse Americans of feeling superior. I haven't found any of Dr. Phil's statements yet, but I believe quite a few of us Dutchies are pretty pissed over them. The reason I'm going into all of this is maybe to try to explain a few of the reactions here.

Also, after reading a bit of SM I guess what a lot of Dutchies don't realize is that Natalee might be just one in a whole string of victims over several or maybe even many years. I think that's being suggested anyway, I haven't read enough on your site yet. If that's true, I wonder why Peter R. De Vries hasn't mentioned any of that. His show on Dutch TV was very different from the one on ABC. You had voiceovers which made it very difficult to get a good feel of Joran's emotions. We had a hard time doing that too, he really doesn't seem to have any, or empathy, which is why some of us now think he's a sociopath. But we've only seen a bit of footage, I would really like to see more.

Anyway, I don't want to write a book about it I think, have a nice day!

quote:

Op woensdag 6 februari 2008 11:50 schreef deedeetee het volgende:

[..]

Better not say that, not her in Holland, it can make us a bit
Say she 's angree, she want 's to know what the hell has happend to her daughter. And she won 't give up untill she know 's.
But keep the sweet and caring part away from us

Speak for yourself.

I for one won't ever, EVER go through what this mother is going through for the past 3 years.
You can't judge her because of what you've seen of her on television or in newspapers.
And also don't forget, Beth is just a product of American upbringing and standards.
No swearing, all girls are virgins, and so on and so on.
You can't judge her for that...

quote:

Op woensdag 6 februari 2008 11:55 schreef Qwea het volgende:

[..]

sue me, but isn't that normal? What if you had a daughter and she went missing? Wouldn't you like to know what happend with her? Whatever it takes? I fucking know I would.

I most certainly would want to know. I just meant to say that were not good at listening to * sweet and caring * we have more respect for * angry and not giving up *
It 's an answer to the question why we * hate * the sweet and caring mother. We don't hate her, we just don't like tears and all that stuff.
Of course she 'll do anything to find out what happend..... And I don't blame her for it.

I tried to explain to Observer that he 's using the wrong words to discribe her. I didn't mean any offend

Ehhh waarom staan jullie nu op je achterste benen ? Ik leg alleen maar uit dat sentimenteel gedoe hier in Nederland meestal niet zo goed aan slaat. Als hij de moeder wat meer populair wil maken moet hij dat in andere bewoordingen doen .

FF lezen waar op ik reageer :

quote:

Op woensdag 6 februari 2008 10:58 schreef observer777 het volgende:

She is such a sweet and caring lady..

En niet meteen verkeerde conclusies trekken......

quote:

Op woensdag 6 februari 2008 12:10 schreef deedeetee het volgende:
Ehhh waarom staan jullie nu op je achterste benen ? Ik leg alleen maar uit dat sentimenteel gedoe hier in Nederland meestal niet zo goed aan slaat. Als hij de moeder wat meer populair wil maken moet hij dat in andere bewoordingen doen .

Je sprak voor ons allemaal, vandaar

quote:

Op woensdag 6 februari 2008 12:11 schreef yvonne het volgende:

[..]

Je sprak voor ons allemaal, vandaar

Ga jij dan niet over je nek van de sentimentele manier waarop aan de andere kant van de oceaan vaak word gesproken dan ??
Dat is dáár normaal maar hier niet dacht ik

quote:

Op woensdag 6 februari 2008 12:10 schreef deedeetee het volgende:
Ehhh waarom staan jullie nu op je achterste benen ? Ik leg alleen maar uit dat sentimenteel gedoe hier in Nederland meestal niet zo goed aan slaat. Als hij de moeder wat meer populair wil maken moet hij dat in andere bewoordingen doen . [afbeelding]

Ik herinner me juist topics dat ze te weinig zou janken.

quote:

Op woensdag 6 februari 2008 12:12 schreef Scorpie het volgende:

[..]

Eensch.

Oh shush

quote:

Op woensdag 6 februari 2008 12:13 schreef deedeetee het volgende:

[..]

Ga jij dan niet over je nek van de sentimentele manier waarop aan de andere kant van de oceaan vaak word gesproken dan ??
Dat is dáár normaal maar hier niet dacht ik

Ach ja, maar zo zijn ze opgevoed, ze weten niet beter en doen niet anders, hun manier van doen.
Zo heeft ieder land wel wat toch?

Aan de andere kant, hij post nu hier en zal dus zijn wijze van uitdrukken ook hier gebruiken

quote:

Op woensdag 6 februari 2008 12:17 schreef Scorpie het volgende:

[..]

Dat helpt haar zaak niet echt.

Denk nou eens na over wat je nu zegt?
Dat is toch ridicuul en onjuist?

I think that it's the "Natalee would neeeeeeever do that. No way. Oh gosh no! Drugs? Dont be silly. Oh gosh! Alcohol? Nooooooooo gooooosh no. My sweet ltitle innocent girl boohoo blame the terrible Aruba and the terrible Netherlands but my daughter is just an innocent little girl." That + the boycotting + "Look what they did to a/our country" is what gets some Dutchies going.

Natalee was not an innocent little girl. And no, Im not saying this justifies her death, all Im saying is that mother needs to quit the -all American innocent virgin till 30- crap