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Op woensdag 2 januari 2008 14:42 schreef MouzurX het volgende:
waarom is maddy zo belangrijk eig?? jaarlijks raken en tientallen/honderden kinderen/volwassenen vermist alleen zij krijgt internationaal belangstelling..

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Op woensdag 2 januari 2008 15:09 schreef SadKingBilly het volgende:
Die zit allang hoog en droog in de harem van een of andere rijke marokkaan, ver van de bewoonde wereld en ver van iedereen die ooit van haar gehoord heeft. Helaas gebeurt dit jaarlijks met honderden, zo niet duizenden kleine kinderen. Alleen omdat maddy mediageniek is is er nu zoveel aandacht voor.

Het zal me niets verbazen als die ouders haar zelf verkocht hebben...

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Robert Murat has thrown down the gauntlet to police challenging them to charge him or clear him over the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
The challenge came as a legal deadline on the case loomed - tomorrow will mark eight months since the four-year-old vanished from her family's holiday apartment in the Algarve on May 3.
Under new Portuguese laws, official suspects have to be charged after eight months unless public prosecutors apply for an extension.
Murat's lawyer, Francisco Pagarete, said today it would be "cruel" of detectives to keep his client as a suspect any longer.
He said: "The truth is there are no grounds to maintain him as a suspect. It would be cruel if this situation was prolonged."
If they fail to clear him, under Portuguese law, they must charge him or reveal what evidence they have against the 34-year-old father.
Murat was declared an official suspect on May 14 and he has claimed that his life has been destroyed by the false allegations.
He has always vehemently denied any involvement in Madeleine's disappearance and has not had any contact with the Policia Judiciaria since August.
The father-of-one has been unable to work or even see his five-year-old daughter who lives with his ex-wife in Britain.
And Portugal's strict secrecy laws mean that the former estate agent, who was born in Britain but brought up in Portugal, is not even allowed to discuss the case.

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Op woensdag 2 januari 2008 14:58 schreef Seneca het volgende:
Maddy is niet dood. Ze woont bij Tupac. Vlak naast Elvis.

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Op woensdag 2 januari 2008 17:35 schreef voyeur het volgende:
Goeie topic titel Kahaarin!

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Op woensdag 2 januari 2008 21:01 schreef LXIV het volgende:
Het is gewoon soap. Dat is het.

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Robert Murat is hoping to pocket £1million if he is formally cleared today over the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

The Brit plans to sell his story, go on TV and write a book about his experience. Murat, 34, was named as a suspect 11 days after Madeleine vanished near his Portuguese home on May 3.

But after a legal deadline expired, he should learn today if police have decided to rule him out as a suspect.

Top PR guru Max Clifford speaks regularly with Murat and his family and has pledged to represent him if he is cleared. Mr Clifford, 64, said: "He has been attacked from all sides and not able to defend himself, thanks to Portuguese secrecy laws.

"When he’s declared innocent, I hope he can make enough money to compensate him for this nightmare and all the money he has lost from not being able to work."

Murat’s family, most of whom live near him in Portugal, are planning a party if he is officially cleared.

Madeleine, four, vanished from her family’s holiday apartment at Praia da Luz. Her parents Gerry and Kate McCann, both 39, were also named as suspects. They deny having anything to do with her disappearance.

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A family who may have seen Madeleine McCann being abducted could provide vital evidence in the search for the missing four-year-old.

The group saw a man walking towards the beach in Praia da Luz while carrying a child at the time Madeleine vanished, exactly eight months ago.

Portuguese police have taken statements from the family, who live in Drogheda, Ireland.

Now detectives hired by Madeleine's parents want to speak to Martin Smith and his family. The Smiths were leaving Kelly's Bar just before 10pm when they saw a man carrying a child 500 yards from the McCanns' apartment.

AdvertisementKate McCann, 39, raised the alarm about her missing daughter at around 10pm.

The Smiths are thought to have described the man as white and 5ft 7in to 5ft 9in tall. His top clothing was obscured by the child. That description matches a suspect seen walking away from the apartment at about 9.15pm by Jane Tanner, a member of the "Tapas Seven" group of friends who were on holiday with the McCanns.

She saw a man carrying a child wearing pink pyjamas similar to those worn by Madeleine.

The McCanns' spokesman said yesterday: "Our detectives are being very methodical and I am quite sure that this family will be on their list."

The eight-month deadline means suspect Robert Murat, 34, hopes to be formally cleared today.

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Madeleine: Police name Gerry and Kate McCann as PRIME suspects Zelfs met hoofdletters. Gerry and Kate McCann's hope of being cleared over their daughter's disappearance appeared crushed today after they were reportedly named as prime suspects in a new police dossier.

There had been hopes that the couple's status as official suspects could be lifted in coming days. But they may now remain under suspicion for years, after Portuguese detectives submitted an interim report to prosecutors. Police are keeping to their theory that the McCanns could have accidentally killed three-year-old Madeleine and then disposed of her body.

Under new Portuguese laws - still largely untested - there had been a suggestion that files on the case could be made public today on the eight month anniversary of Madeleine's disappearance. The deadline prompted hopes the official suspects - or arguido - status could then be removed.

Robert Murat's lawyer has said it would be 'cruelty' if he is not cleared over the disappearance of Madeleine McCann But according to Portuguese newspaper Correio da Manha, the Policia Judiciaria will hand over an interim report in which the McCanns remain at the centre of inquiries.

The dossier will also include the possibility Madeleine was abducted from the holiday apartment in Praia da Luz on 3 May - adding to confusion in the case and reinforcing the view that Portuguese police have no real idea what actually happened to the girl. etc etc etc Daily Mail

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Nou Clarence Mitchell, kom op met je spinnetjes, meestal werkt dat zo, een onthulling, een ontkennig, een sighting, new hopes, en wat ze allemaal maar kunnen verzinnen.

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The secret file detailing the Portuguese police investigation into Madeleine McCann's disappearance is unlikely to be made public "for some time", a lawyer for the girl's parents said today.


It is understood the dossier could have been published yesterday under new Portuguese secrecy laws that can see court files reopened eight months after the start of an inquiry.

Madeleine vanished from her family's Praia da Luz holiday apartment on May 3 last year.

But lawyers acting on behalf of the formal suspects in the investigation -- the girl's parents, Gerry and Kate McCann, and British expat Robert Murat -- said the court file would not be made public today.

It is understood prosecutors need more time to make their case.

The publication of such a document can coincide with decisions on whether to prosecute suspects in an investigation, and today's legal milestone produced fresh speculation about the inquiry.

According to Portuguese newspaper Correio da Manha, detectives in the Algarve produced an interim report to coincide with the eight-month mark.

The report is said to name Mr and Mrs McCann, from Leicestershire, as prime suspects in their daughter's disappearance. But it is also said to include the possibility Madeleine, aged three at the time, was abducted.

The report was dismissed by the McCanns' advisers yesterday as "pure speculation".

Edward Smethurst, the lawyer conducting the McCanns' defence, said: "We have received no information to suggest that the court file is going to be opened today and indeed we believe it's likely that it will be some time before the court file is made available."

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Op woensdag 2 januari 2008 14:58 schreef Seneca het volgende:
Maddy is niet dood. Ze woont bij Tupac. Vlak naast Elvis.

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Op vrijdag 4 januari 2008 11:19 schreef kahaarin het volgende:

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Dit zal hem wel tegen vallen dan, de OVJ is nog iet klaar dus het dossier wordt niet vrijgegeven.

http://www.independent.ie(...)eleased-1257575.html

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A SHOCK new police report last night named Madeleine McCann’s parents as prime suspects over her disappearance. Detectives remain convinced that the missing four-year-old was accidentally killed in her family’s holiday apartment.

They believe Kate and Gerry, both 39, disposed of her body to mask their negligence. But even if Portuguese police chiefs cannot prove the allegations, it has been claimed they still plan to charge the couple. They face being accused of perjury for allegedly lying in sworn statements about what happened the night their daughter vanished. They could also be charged with wasting police time by asking police to help find Madeleine when they allegedly knew her fate.

The revelations are in a leaked police report, due to be handed to the public prosecutor later today. They will come as a huge blow to the McCanns, who had hoped to have their “arguido” status as official suspects lifted within days. Not only will they now remain arguidos, but they will not be allowed to see the evidence police have gathered against them.

Normally details of criminal cases are made public in Portugal after eight months. But the Madeleine mystery has now been given special status as “complex”, allowing police to continue their investigation in secret. The move also means Brit ex-pat Robert Murat, 34, will also remain an official suspect for now – a decision his lawyer Francisco Pagarete described as “beyond cruelty’’. The McCanns and seven pals they dined with at Praia da Luz when Madeleine vanished on May 3 will be questioned again this month.

British detectives will conduct the interviews, but Portuguese officers will be allowed to sit in. Kate and Gerry, of Rothley, Leics, deny any involvement in their daughter’s disappearance and insist she was abducted. The couple have been told by their lawyers they might have to go to the European Court of Human Rights to have their arguido status lifted. And former Metropolitan Police Det Supt Noel Hogan admitted last night that he was conducting a “cold case” review for the couple.

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Investigation about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann from a quiet resort at Praia da Luz had “important developments” in the last weeks, after a Portuguese police team met with Leicestershire police and representatives from Forensic Science Service, the British laboratory where samples collected at the crime scene are being analysed.

On a preliminary report about the case, recently sent to the Public Prosecutor's Office, Polícia Judiciária (PJ) states that the parents remain the main suspects. Among other pieces of new evidence, there is a specific phone call and several messages, send from Ocean Resort, that are classified by investigators as “highly incriminating” Gerry and Kate McCann.

The same evidence also gave indications about how the body of Madeleine McCann could have been taken from the apartment and disposed of. Today, it was confirmed by a source from the Public Prosecutor's Office that a request to extend the time limit for the case will be filed, with the Criminal Court, before January 14, eight months after the first formal suspect was named.

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Op vrijdag 4 januari 2008 13:32 schreef Suko het volgende:

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Indeed Kahaarin, dat zal ze niet lekker zitten.

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Vrijwel alle meest gelezen kranten/tabloids berichten hierover:
- Daily Express: MCCANNS ARE MAIN SUSPECTS SAY POLICE
- Daily Mail: Police 'still think McCanns killed Madeleine by accident' - and they will be suspects for 20 years
- Daily Mirror: McCanns' fury at police chief's warning
- Telegraph.co.uk: McCanns 'still suspects' in dossier
- The Sun: McCanns are prime suspects
- The Times: McCanns ‘prime suspects’ (kort bericht)
Cnn: Reports: Madeleine's parents prime suspects
- The Scotsman: Madeleine's parents could be under suspicion for 20 years, says judge

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De Daily Star gaat het verst: COPS SET TO CHARGE MADDIE PARENTS

En een bericht op gazetadigital, de laatste tijd best wel correct.

Police has new evidence against Madeleine's parents

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Op het Mirror-forum heeft ene Coldwater interessante info, hier en hier, hij (of zij) schijnt wat bronnen te hebben. En ook ene unclemonty is het lezen wel waard.

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Portuguese police are planning to visit Britain to seize Kate McCann's updated diary, it was claimed today.

They will arrive this month to interview Gerry and Kate McCann and the friends who dined with them on the night Madeleine disappeared.

Detectives have applied to examine the diary, which contains Mrs McCann's thoughts over the eight months since her daughter vanished in the Algarve.

Officers took it without Mrs McCann's permission in the summer, made a photocopy and then returned it. She has been updating it ever since.

Portuguese police, in a series of leaks in the summer, suggested the diary was important because it showed Mrs McCann's unbalanced state of mind - a claim dismissed as a smear.

Sources close to Kate and Gerry McCann, both doctors from Rothley in Leicestershire, point out the diary was only started after Madeleine vanished aged three from their holiday apartment in Praia da Luz and contains no relevant information to the inquiry.

Portuguese newspaper Correio da Manha claimed that letters requesting police seize the diary a second time would be handed in today at a court in Portimao and could be executed this month.

Police are also understood to have applied, as expected, to extend the judicial secrecy surrounding the case, preventing access to the inquiry to both the McCanns and Robert Murat, the only official suspects. All three deny any involvement in Madeleine's disappearance.

A source close to the McCanns said today: "If they want access to the updated diary, they can ask her for it but it is a matter for Kate to decide. It is very personal property."

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A source close to the McCanns said today: "If they want access to the updated diary, they can ask her for it but it is a matter for Kate to decide. It is very personal property."

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Op vrijdag 4 januari 2008 17:55 schreef Suko het volgende:

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Nou ik weet niet of Kate daar toestemming voor moet geven, ze zal het dagboek mogelijk moeten overhandigen en of er iets in zal staan wat betreft her state of mind? Ja natuurlijk zou je denken, maar ze zullen er nu zeker niets mee kunnen, Gerry zal daar wel op toezien, die arrogante controle-freak laat niets aan het toeval over! Overigens zou je hier ook uit kunnen opmaken dat elk verzoek van Portugal naar de UK, qua gesprekken, bewijsmateriaal whatever, zo ontzettend veel tijd neemt dat men wel moet denken dat er wordt tegengewerkt. Tjonge jonge, mogelijk komt het zover dat er een deadline wordt overschreden, de openbare aanklager te weinig verder bewijs heeft kunnen bemachtigen door vertraging (lees tegenwerking) in de UK (met behulp van wie allemaal?) en de zaak daardoor een langzame dood sterft. Mogelijk alleen nog wat juridische gesteggel qua Arguido-status en dat was het dan. pffffffffff.

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Police in Portugal have begun a fresh trawl for evidence which could incriminate Gerry and Kate McCann.

Among the items they are said to want to seize is their missing daughter Madeleine's Cuddle Cat toy, which was examined by forensic teams in the summer. They have also demanded Mrs McCann's diary.The requests suggest officers remain hopeful of bringing charges against the four-year-old's parents.

Police already have photocopies of the diary but these would not be admissable in court. A police dossier this week revealed the McCanns remain the chief suspects in the case and that they could be charged with accidental homicide, homicide by negligence, hiding their daughter's body or faking her disappearance to cover up her death.

Police yesterday made a formal request for British police to re-interview the seven friends who were on holiday with the McCanns when Madeleine disappeared. They submitted a catalogue of questions they want answered to the judge in Portugal overseeing the case.

They also included the list of items they would like seized. Leaks have previously suggested these would include the diary kept by Mrs McCann, 39. She was advised by a trauma counsellor to keep a journal and to include the days before Madeleine vanished from a holiday apartment in Praia da Luz on May 3.

Detectives took the diary and photocopied it, then leaked sections to the Portuguese media in which Mrs McCann allegedly wrote that her eldest daughter was hyperactive and said she could not cope.

Officers used the excerpts to suggest the GP could have been sedating her children. Mrs McCann has always denied the claims. Police were also said to want to seize clothes and other items - including the pink soft toy Cuddle Cat - on which trained sniffer dogs allegedly picked up the "scent of death".

Detectives have long questioned why Mrs McCann was so attached to Cuddle Cat and why, if it was her last link with Madeleine, she allowed it to be washed. They have suggested the toy was cleaned to destroy any potential DNA evidence, such as blood. Mrs McCann said it had simply become too grubby.

Other items sought by police are thought to include the couple's laptops and private correspondence, Mrs McCann's Bible, in which a passage related to the death of a child was marked, and their phone records. The formal "letters of appeal" will now be sent from the court in Portimao to the Portuguese justice minister and then on to Home Secretary Jacqui Smith for her approval.

Once granted police will contact the group to arrange interviews. Detectives in Portugal will then consider whether they need to reinterview the McCanns, of Rothley, Leicestershire, and whether they should be charged.

The spokesman for the McCanns, Clarence Mitchell, said: "Kate and Gerry, and their friends particularly, are very keen to talk to the Portuguese police again because they want to be able to clarify any inconsistencies to do with the timeline of events on May 3, or whenever the police put forward." Daily Mail

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Op zaterdag 5 januari 2008 12:02 schreef Suko het volgende:
Het is helemaal niet zeker/duidelijk of iemand Madeleine op 3 mei heeft gezien. Statements van een nanny zeggen natuurlijk niks, bovendien waren er veel blonde kinderen aanwezig en niet altijd wordt de presentielijst ingevuld, en indien wel, is het dat ook het juiste kind achter de opgeschreven naam? Er zijn artikelen dat de McCanns die dag aan het picnicken op het strand zijn geweest. Zie o.a. de Daily Mail Madeleine: Now the Portuguese police focus on the missing six hours En dat er CCTV-materiaal is geweest van een dansende Madeleine met paps levert geen duidelijke beelden op en de eigenaar van dat strandrestaurant weet het eigenlijk ook niet zeker of ze er die dag wel waren wat hij eerder wel beweerde. En wat lees-doe-info wat betreft de laatste foto van Madeleine, als men er zin in heeft...ik niet in ieder geval maar heb bewondering voor degene die dit heeft uitgeplozen met verwijzingen naar deze thread < Met een suggestie dat niet alleen de foto (vrijgegeven op 23 mei) niet van 3 mei is (zo mooi weer was het niet, koud zelfs) maar dat Gerry er in is gefotosoept, als bewijs dat hij daar aanwezig was.

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En dat mensen rond de McCanns bekend zijn met fotosoep bewijst deze foto en deze, oeps en weg elleboog. Die vriend en peetoom van de twins John Corner, o.a. tv-producer, zou dat goed kunnen. Besides, die villa waar de McCanns naderhand verbleven in Praia da Luz was van hem. Een nieuwe thread rondom deze bewerkte foto. En verder is het natuurlijk vreemd dat er niet meer vakantiekiekjes zijn met een recente Madeleine, maar ja, die zijn er kennelijk niet...

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Op zondag 6 januari 2008 12:29 schreef voyeur het volgende:
En moet je hier eens kijken http://www.helpingtofindmadeleine.com/Teams.html

Het is een sekte en ze plaatsen voor het gemak vast kaarten zodat je een sighting kan verzinnen en kan checken of je ooit in dat land was.

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Op zondag 6 januari 2008 13:39 schreef MouzurX het volgende:
ik snap niet helemaal waarom er zoveel mensen serieus die zaak gaaan onderzoeken enz

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Op woensdag 2 januari 2008 14:42 schreef MouzurX het volgende:
waarom is maddy zo belangrijk eig?? jaarlijks raken en tientallen/honderden kinderen/volwassenen vermist alleen zij krijgt internationaal belangstelling..

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Op zondag 6 januari 2008 12:31 schreef milagro het volgende:
ik ben geen 'schaduw expert' maar de schaduw van het bevriende kindjes hoedje valt op het been van Gerry.
Gerry's eigen schaduw op zichzelf (borst) is niet zo scherp als die van het hoedje op zijn been... dat is iets dat ik constateer, maar betekent het ook iets? geen idee.
waar stond de zon (ik ben te duf nu om logisch te denken) en waar moeten of kunnen de schaduwen dan vallen en hoe scherp moeten ze dan zijn?

wie is er nu zogenaamd ingesoept, Gerry of Madeleine.... of ms wel beide

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Op zondag 6 januari 2008 12:31 schreef milagro het volgende:
ik ben geen 'schaduw expert' maar de schaduw van het bevriende kindjes hoedje valt op het been van Gerry.
Gerry's eigen schaduw op zichzelf (borst) is niet zo scherp als die van het hoedje op zijn been... dat is iets dat ik constateer, maar betekent het ook iets? geen idee.
waar stond de zon (ik ben te duf nu om logisch te denken) en waar moeten of kunnen de schaduwen dan vallen en hoe scherp moeten ze dan zijn?

wie is er nu zogenaamd ingesoept, Gerry of Madeleine.... of ms wel beide

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Op zondag 6 januari 2008 16:53 schreef voyeur het volgende:
"During the day of her disappearance they had all gone for a walk, played tennis, and taken some more snapshots for the family album before relaxing by the pool." Ik dacht dat de huidige lezing van Team McCann was dat de kinderen in de cheche waren die dag?

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Op zondag 6 januari 2008 16:53 schreef voyeur het volgende:
"During the day of her disappearance they had all gone for a walk, played tennis, and taken some more snapshots for the family album before relaxing by the pool." Ik dacht dat de huidige lezing van Team McCann was dat de kinderen in de cheche waren die dag?

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Op maandag 7 januari 2008 00:15 schreef Nadine26 het volgende:

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Dat hebben ze allemaal gedaan in dat kwartiertje quality-time na vijven, wat dacht jij dan? Een man als Gerry, die met gemak 7 tennislessen op een dag volgt, heeft aan anderhalve minuut relaxen bij het zwembad echt wel genoeg. Intussen neemt hij die snapshots (multitasking is his middle name) en daarna jaagt hij die wandeling er doorheen. Blijven er nog acht minuten over voor een tennisles én het graven van een diepe kuil aan het strand. Oh nee, dat had hij de dag ervoor, op 2 mei, al gedaan. Of eh... sorry, het duizelt me een beetje

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Gerry and Kate (the parents of Madeleine McCann) are now aware that the Portuguese detectives believe they have enough proof to charge them; they are planning to travel back to the UK to grill the couple and seven holiday pals.

Although there are many mixed views about what has really happened to Madeleine McCann, it seems that Gerry and Kate McCann could be charged.

The Sunday Mail has reported today that a police source said: “Most of the elements of proof have already been collected. We just want to reconfirm the statements made by the McCanns and their friends.”

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"The German lover of Madeleine McCann suspect Robert Murat has been made an official suspect herself in the case, according to a Portuguese newspaper today. The tabloid 24 Horas reported that Michaela Walczuch was named an arguida - or official suspect - in November and that her alibi is still being investigated by Portuguese detectives.

She is the fourth person to be named an official suspect in the case - along with her boyfriend Murat and Gerry and Kate McCann.

The newspaper claimed that Ms Walczuch, 31, gave evidence as a witness in November. However, shortly after she began giving her statement her status was changed to arguida, claimed the newspaper. "Robert Murat's lawyer Francisco Pagarete said Ms Walczuch was made an arguida while she was being interviewed by detectives in November last year.

Mr Pagarete told 24 Horas: "Both (Murat and Michaela) were initially notified as witnesses and when they appeared at the interview, of their own free will, they were made arguidos (formal suspects) because they said that would give them more defence guarantees.

"There's nothing special about the position of arguido. But it was an unethical move by the officers of the Policia Judiciaria who interviewed Robert Murat and Michaela." "The claim has not been confirmed and last month Ms Walczuch insisted she had only been interviewed once by police and that was in May." Het hele artikel>> Daily Mail

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Op maandag 7 januari 2008 11:34 schreef Suko het volgende:
@ Kahaarin, nou ik denk dat eerst de vragen/verzoeken (voorgelegd aan de McCanns en Tapas-vrienden) nog moeten worden behandeld door Buitenlands Zaken in de UK, olv Mevr. J. Smit. Maar 24 Horas geeft Portugal de schuld: "The State gives 10 days to people that are hired by task to translate judicial documents. In the Madeleine McCann's case, the deadline according to a an employee of the Portimão's Court was met by the translator. Nonetheless according to the same source although the rogatory letter was translated very quickly the same did not yet left Portugal and it is caught in bureaucracy. As it was already published by 24 Horas, the letter aims to question again Maddie's parents and their friends. It is only witnesses evidence. The PJ wants that the British police question again the two arguidos and the other seven persons with whom they dinned about what happened in 3rd of May at the Ocean Club." Bron

En verder is de vriendin van Murat al sinds November 'Arguida' op eigen verzoek.
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A claim that the lover of Madeleine McCann suspect Robert Murat had herself been made a suspect in the case was denied today.

Tabloid 24 Horas reported that Michaela Walczuch was named an arguida - or official suspect - in November and that her alibi is still being investigated by Portuguese detectives.


But today Portuguese police officials denied the story and Mr Murat's lawyer Francisco Pagarete said only his client was an official suspect in the case.

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Op maandag 7 januari 2008 13:09 schreef voyeur het volgende:
PJ received the final results last friday

The results confirm that Maddie died in the apart and was moved inside the car

PJ will begin now new diligencias

PJ run out complety the abduction theory

This was told by PJ on TV and thats the news we have today in our news

Aldus een portugese vanmorgen.

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Op maandag 7 januari 2008 12:57 schreef kahaarin het volgende:

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Ehm, Suko?


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=506547&in_page_id=1770&ito=newsnow

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Op maandag 7 januari 2008 13:13 schreef Suko het volgende:

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Ze hebben dat verhaal moeten terugdraaien, is geupdate at 11:39am on 7th January 2008 "A claim that the lover of Madeleine McCann suspect Robert Murat had herself been made a suspect in the case was denied today." Daily Mail Good one Clarrie...

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However, the 24 Horas newspaper said that shortly after she began giving her statement her status was changed.

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Portuguese the Judiciaria Police is to a step to formally accuse the parents of Madeleine McCann, the disappeared British girl from the 3 of May in the south of that country, when requesting the seizure of deprived newspapers of the mother as it demonstrates for a judgment in his against. According to the English newspaper The Sun informed yesterday, thinks that the personal agenda, written by Kate McCann during the days in which her daughter disappeared, can demonstrate the theory according to which she assassinated to Mameleine. The lusos agents had copied some pages del daily, that gave back to the McCann, but now want that notebook as she demonstrates makes specific against the pair. Under the Portuguese law, only original documents can be used in a judgment as it demonstrates. The arguments to maintain the process seem somewhat banal nevertheless. The Portuguese press published parts of which it creates is "fundamental" evidence that it implies to Kate, of 39 years, in the murder of his daughter that are a summary of the tension of the mother by the care of their children. The texts indicate that the medical one was "histérica" with the behavior of Madeleine, and said not to be able to tolerate the care of their children. The Gerry cardiologist, also of 39 years, is described by his wife like "an absent" father, to whom does not matter to leave to him to his woman the care of the children, while he relaxes during the vacations. The friends of the McCann indicated that the reports about the decision of the Police to seize the personal newspaper of Kate are an attempt to more soil the name of the pair a loss of prestige campaign "". In addition, they affirmed that some of the parts mentioned by the police could be falsified. While, the Portuguese detectives glide to travel in the next days to Great Britain to return to interrogate the friends of the McCann, who had supper with them the night of the disappearance of Madeleine. The agents look for to clarify what they consider like "serious inconsistencias" in the testimonies of the seven British who spent their vacations with the pair in the Portuguese bath of Praia gives Light. The Police suspects that the girl was assassinated by her parents and their body transferred in a Renault Scenic rented by the McCann 25 days after the disappearance of Madeleine. The agents also are interested in seizing the invoices of telephone of the pair during the period in which the girl disappeared, a Bible and the doll Cuddle Cat that the girl in her bed left the night in which was Vista for the last time.

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Op maandag 7 januari 2008 13:09 schreef voyeur het volgende:
PJ received the final results last friday

The results confirm that Maddie died in the apart and was moved inside the car

PJ will begin now new diligencias

PJ run out complety the abduction theory

This was told by PJ on TV and thats the news we have today in our news

Aldus een portugese vanmorgen.

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Op maandag 7 januari 2008 13:40 schreef voyeur het volgende:

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Het is mogelijk niet de PJ zelf geweest die dit verteld heeft, maar een lek. Dat lijkt me waarschijnlijker en wordt ook bevestigd door de Portugese krant Correio da Manhã van vandaag

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Op maandag 7 januari 2008 14:05 schreef voyeur het volgende:
Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 3:22 am Post subject: Exclusive Correio da Manhã 7/1/2008

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Exclusive Correio da Manhã
2008-01-7

Maddie's case

Blood in the flat and in the car confirmed

The final result of the tests that arrived recently from England do not leave any doubts to the researcher of the Criminal Police. The blood found in the McCanns car is from Madeline as well as the vestiges detected in the house rented by the British and from where the three years old child disappeared without a trace.

The recent developments of Maddie's case will be available on line Monday morning.
http://www.correiomanha.pt/not.....81&p=0
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The front cover of the newspaper says:
Confirmed blood in the flat and in the car
Final results of the British laboratory
The risk of confusion between the genetic profiles of the twins and Maddie was eliminated.

Portugees is me te moeilijk, ik lees wat Spaans dus ik kan het net genoeg begrijpen om te zien dat bovenstaande Engelse versie geen verzinsel van een poster is.

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The Forensic Science Service in Birmingham had tested samples of “body fluids” and hair taken from the holiday apartment where Madeleine disappeared in Praia da Luz on May 3 and her parents’ hire car. They have also been examining DNA samples and fingerprints from more than 100 British holidaymakers at the Ocean Club resort.

Guilhermino Encarnação, director of the Portuguese police team searching for Madeleine, said: “The Judicial Police have asked the laboratory to carry out more tests and exhaust every possibility of obtaining conclusive results.” Mr Encarnação told the Spanish newspaper El PaÍs that a team of four Portuguese experts who visited the FSS last week had been told that there was no significant new evidence.

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Op maandag 7 januari 2008 14:18 schreef Suko het volgende:
Darn! Dat stond toch ook in mijn eerdere post? Een exclusive nog wel.... Ook het international persbureau Reuters komt met deze droge mededeling: * Police confirm there were traces of blood found in the home and car of the parents of missing four-year old Madeleine McCann (Correio da Manha).

Ik denk het ook Kahaarin wat die testen in december betreft. Laten we hopen dat er een keer iets op gang komt, dit is werkelijk schandelijk langzaam.

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A HAMPSHIRE father has become a key witness in the search for Madeleine McCann after telling police about a suspicious man he confronted at the same flats, just days before she went missing.

Paul Gordon, from Fareham, and his family spent a fortnight in the same Portugal holiday apartment last April, immediately before the McCanns arrived.

During their visit Mr Gordon, 34, confronted a suspicious charity collector just outside the flats, while his own two children were asleep inside.

When he found the man outside the glass patio doors at the back of the two-bedroom apartment in Praia da Luz, the stranger claimed to be collecting money for an orphanage.

Back home, the brewery sales executive immediately contacted police about his experience when news of Madeleine's disappearance first broke.

Mr Gordon has subsequently also been interviewed by the team of private detectives working on the case on behalf of Madeleine's parents, Kate and Gerry McCann.

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LISBON, Jan 7 (Reuters) - Following are some of the main Portuguese stories in newspapers on Monday. Reuters has not verified these stories and does not vouch for their accuracy.

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Op maandag 7 januari 2008 14:50 schreef Suko het volgende:
Ze zullen wel een keer moeten berichten Kahaarin, anyway, hier is een vertaling van een update:

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Op maandag 7 januari 2008 15:04 schreef Xith het volgende:
Goh, dit topic is lekker snel verandert in een Soap-slowChat voor GTST kijkende huisvrouwen...

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Op maandag 7 januari 2008 14:56 schreef kahaarin het volgende:

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Dankjewel, ook leuk dat forum, ben jij dit: lynnkx ?

De aversie tegen CM en het gebruik van Spin gaf me dat idee.

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Op maandag 7 januari 2008 15:09 schreef voyeur het volgende:

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Kan je denken, maar
a) ben ik geen huisvrouw, zelfs geen vrouw
b) heb ik GTST nog nooit gezien
c) is het nogal een schandaal dat sommige mensen dus behoorlijk bezighoudt.

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Op maandag 7 januari 2008 15:09 schreef Suko het volgende:

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Huh? Ha ha nee hoor, ik zou wel willen posten daar maar mijn Engels is te beroerd, lezen gaat best maar goed en begrijpelijk Engels schrijven is een heel andere zaak. Ik post alleen hier op Fok, da's voor mij voldoende, ben voor de rest een super-lurker, ook leuk.

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Op maandag 7 januari 2008 15:11 schreef Suko het volgende:

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Same here, alleen ben ik wel een dame...

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BLOOD traces discovered in Kate and Gerry McCann's hire car were missing Maddie's, it was sensationally claimed today.

A Portuguese newspaper alleges that tests conducted at a UK laboratory show conclusively that the blood is that of the four-year-old. Portuguese cops also apparently believe the tests back up the theory that the McCanns moved Madeleine after she died in their holiday appartment.

Kate and Gerry have vehemently denied any involvement in their daughter's disappearance. A blood sample was reportedly found by police in the boot of the Renault Scenic Kate and Gerry hired 25 days after Madeleine went missing.

A second blood sample reportedly found in their Praia da Luz holiday flat was also claimed to have come from Madeleine. Daily newspaper Correio da Manha reported: “The definitive result of the tests recently sent from England leave no doubts for the Policia Judiciaria.

“The blood found in the McCanns’ car is that of Madeleine, as well as those samples detected in the flat rented by the English and where the child, then three years old, disappeared without trace.” DNA tests already conducted at the Birmingham Forensic Science Service lab have reportedly been inconclusive.

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Op maandag 7 januari 2008 20:38 schreef voyeur het volgende:
En nog een mooi stuk proza van een poster die de reactie van Team McCann vast beschrijft:

This may need the full range of weaponry...

A "ludicrous"....

A "not enough proof"...

A ghosted article in a leading Sunday "Kate and Gerry had for many months been worried about Madeleine's propensity for nose bleeds. The blood would go everywhere. Even on to Cuddle Cat which is probably how it came to be in the back of the Scenic. They found these episodes distressing. Too distressing to mention to anyone else." That sort of thing.

Maybe even a "mystery witness":

Metodo 3 are looking for a man seen tampering with the boot of McCanns' hire car. A Mr. Mad of Colchester said: "It's only now, nearly a year later that I have come to realise the significance of what I saw. I witnessed a man who looked like Robert Murat. He had a test tube of blood in one hand and a cigarette in the other. With his free hand he was tampering with the boot. When I challenged him he replied that he was collecting children for an orphanage in Morocco, which seemed perfectly plausible at the time."

Tony Parsons has rounded on "the scu'm scientists who have nothing better to do than carry out geeky experiments on the McCann's car, and all just because
the poor di'ck-shrivellers can't get a half way decent girl into bed. Everyone knows they are innocent and will remain so however much evidence is accumulated to the contrary."

Pippa Daley-Knightley, another columnist, defends the action of the McCanns: "What's happened to good old common sense. Can't people drive around with blood in the boot? I remember once I inadvertently left my child in the car during high summer when I took the dog for a walk. Owing to the soaring temperature she was clawing at the catch on the boot in a desperate attempt to get out and the top of her finger was sliced off. There was blood everywhere - but hey, wake up and smell the coffee, that's reality for you. There is nothing untoward in the actions of the McCanns."

En nog bedankt Suko dat je me van al mijn vrije tijd beroofd hebt omdat ik nu het Mirror forum ook nog moet bijhouden

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"But yesterday a second Portuguese newspaper, Correio da Manha, claimed blood found in the McCanns' holiday apartment and hire car had been proved to be Madeleine's.

It reported that tests carried out by the Forensic Science Service in Birmingham had proved conclusively that microscopic traces of blood found behind a sofa in the apartment had come from the girl. And it said samples of bodily fluids found in the Renault Scenic, hired by the McCanns 25 days after their daughter went missing, were also definitely from Madeleine and could not have come from the two-year-old twins Sean and Amelie.

Portuguese police believe the findings support their theory that Madeleine died in an accident in her parents' care and that they hid her body and faked her abduction to cover up her death. It was previously believed that forensic tests had proved inconclusive, but more samples were sent for testing last month and the laboratory has also been using the controversial Low Copy Number technique to study microscopic samples.

Use of the technique in British legal cases was suspended last year after a judge criticised its use in the trial of the Omagh bomb suspect Sean Hoey. The couple's spokesman Clarence Mitchell called for the police to end their 'distressing' leaks to the Portuguese media and said Mr and Mrs McCann wanted to be re-interviewed and cleared as suspects.

He said: "It is ridiculous to suggest that Madeleine's blood was in the hire car, because she was never in it. It was hired over 20 days after she went missing which means it was impossible for her to ever have been in it. "Kate and Gerry were in no way involved in her death. Nor were they involved in disposing of her body. To suggest otherwise is ridiculous."

Portuguese police have prepared legal documents asking their British counterparts to re-interview the McCanns' seven friends who dined with them on the night of May 3. Detectives want to question alleged contradictions in the statements of the group and anxious to speak to Russell O'Brien and Jane Tanner following claims that the pair want to change their statements. They have denied any suggestion they want to alter their accounts of the night of May 3."

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'Bloed in auto toch van Madeleine'
Uitgegeven: 8 januari 2008 10:22
Laatst gewijzigd: 8 januari 2008 10:25

AMSTERDAM - De bloedsporen in de huurauto van Gerry en Kate McCann blijken na nader forensisch onderzoek toch van het vermiste dochtertje Madeleine te zijn. Dat meldt de Daily Mail dinsdag.

Het vermoeden dat het meisje dood is en de ouders verantwoordelijk zijn voor het dumpen van het lichaam wordt daarmee volgens de Portugese politie groter.

Beschadigd

Eerder DNA-onderzoek kon niet bevestigen dat het bloed in zowel de auto als de flat van Madeleine afkomstig is doordat het genetisch materiaal was beschadigd. Met een nieuwe techniek kon het beschadigde DNA wel goed worden onderzocht.

Zelfs kleine, beschadigde monsters kunnen met de zogenaamde 'low copy number analysis' onderzocht worden. De uitslag van de test spreekt in het voordeel van politie en justitie.

Verklaringen

De ouders hebben altijd volgehouden dat er onschuldige verklaringen zijn voor de bloedsporen. Het bloed zou afkomstig zijn van hun twee jaar oude tweeling.

De Britse krant meldt ook dat er binnenkort Portugese inspecteurs richting Engeland vertrekken om het echtpaar opnieuw te verhoren.

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Op dinsdag 8 januari 2008 10:37 schreef Suko het volgende:
En Spudgun krijgt gelijk: "You see? Before you can assess and determine a lie, you get hit with another. And another." Onder het mom van, als eindconclusie: "Perhaps, like Clarence and Metodo 3, Mr. Brown feels that the continued daily onslaught of lies and garbage will disorientate the populace to such a degree that we will utterly refuse to believe a further, single word on the matter."

Want vandaag schrijft The Miirror: New lead on Madeleine "A second British tourist has reported seeing a mystery man hanging around Madeleine McCann's holiday flat just days before she vanished. Gail Cooper, 50, said she was confronted by the "creepy" stranger at her holiday villa in Portugal." Te verwaarlozen nieuws maar we zullen er inderdaad nog veel van lezen en er op een gegeven moment geen aandacht meer aan schenken, wat uiteindelijk ook de bedoeling is...

En verder maken een aantal kranten wel melding van de gevonden bewezen bloedsporen:

- MADELEINE: IT WAS HER BLOOD IN PARENTS’ HIRE CAR Daily Express

- Blood found in McCanns' hire car 'DID come from Madeleine' Daily Mail

- BLOOD IN CAR IS MADDIE'S – OFFICIAL "Last month, Omagh bomb suspect Sean Hoey walked free after a judge decided this type of testing was not at a sufficiently scientific level to be considered evidence. The Association of Chief Police Officers then announced it was suspending use of the technique in criminal inquiries. And the Crown Prosecution Service in England and Wales is reviewing a number of cases in which it was involved. That means the results in Madeleine’s case could probably never be used in court." Daily Star

- McCann rage at new DNA claim The Sun Clarence Mitchell: “It is ridiculous to suggest Madeleine’s blood was in the car because she was never in it. Kate and Gerry were in no way involved in her death, or in disposing of her body.” Met andere woorden, ze weten dat Madeleine niet meer leeft...

- New claims on blood in McCann's hire car The Scotsman

(Justice for Madeleine)

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"Last month, Omagh bomb suspect Sean Hoey walked free after a judge decided this type of testing was not at a sufficiently scientific level to be considered evidence. The Association of Chief Police Officers then announced it was suspending use of the technique in criminal inquiries. And the Crown Prosecution Service in England and Wales is reviewing a number of cases in which it was involved. That means the results in Madeleine’s case could probably never be used in court."

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The McCanns are set to turn the story of their daughter into a film. Kate and Gerry are in negotiations with the world's largest talent and entertainment agency, IMG, in a deal which could be worth millions.

The money would help fund the search for Madeleine amid fears that the £1.2 million raised from public donations will soon run out. A source close to the McCanns said: "We would only get involved with something done sensitively and considerately."

If a deal is done with IMG, it would involve using the same team that made Touching The Void, an award-winning drama-documentary about the fight for survival of two British climbers lost on a mountain. The couple are also considering a book deal and selling interviews to television broadcasters with all proceeds going to the Madeleine Fund, the body set up to finance the search for the girl.

Madeleine was six days short of her fourth birthday when she vanished from her bed in the family's holiday apartment in Praia da Luz in Portugal on May 3. The film project will be discussed at a meeting of the fund's directors, including Gerry, tomorrow night at the McCanns' home in Rothley, Leicestershire.

The Madeleine Fund is committed to spending £50,000 a month on a Spanish private detective agency. It is also paying for a poster and television advertising campaign in Spain, Portugal and Morocco, where there have been several alleged sightings. Estimates suggest at least £500,000 has already been spent.

A source close to the McCann family said: "Donations from the public are still coming in but to sustain the fund properly, we will need larger amounts. "If the media are prepared to make donations, we will take the money. There are a few propositions out there.

"We have had a couple of large companies involved in the film industry approach us about a long-term deal. IMG and the production company behind Touching The Void have approached Kate and Gerry. They have sent them a tape to watch to see the sort of film they make. We have only had a preliminary discussion."

Touching The Void, which earned £7 million at the box office, is the most successful British-made documentary, winning best British film at the 2004 Baftas and an Evening Standard best film.

Directed by Oscar-winner Kevin Macdonald and made by the London-based production company Darlow Smithson, it tells the story of Joe Simpson and Simon Yates and their near-fatal attempt to climb a mountain in the Peruvian Andes through a mixture of interviews with them and dramatic reconstructions. A movie of the McCanns' torment in the Algarve, if made by the Touching The Void team, could follow a similar method.

The source close to the McCanns warned that the couple will only be able to begin negotiations in earnest provided their status as official suspects - or arguidos - is lifted by Portuguese police. The couple's lawyers will apply for it to be removed in the coming months, once the doctors, both aged 39, have been re-interviewed by police amid reports that forensic evidence against them is at best "indicative" of their involvement in Madeleine's disappearance.

They insist the girl was abducted from their holiday apartment eight months ago as they ate at a nearby tapas restaurant and that she could still be alive. The source added: "The million-pound film deal is possible. It is the sort of thing we would look at seriously because in one fell swoop we could resolve the funding of the search overnight.

"What would really help is for the arguido status to be lifted and then a wave of sympathy would lead to more money coming in." The meeting tomorrow follows the resignation of key board members, including the fund's spokeswoman Esther McVey.

The fund agreed a deal in the autumn to pay the Barcelona-based agency Metodo 3 a retainer of £50,000 a month for six months to find Madeleine. Metodo 3 has come in for criticism over comments made by its boss Francisco Marco, including one that he knew who kidnapped Madeleine and a promise to find her by Christmas.

The fund has also been criticised for paying two months' worth of mortgage payments, amounting to a few thousand pounds, on the McCanns' home while they were in Portugal and unable to work. The services of the family's official spokesman, Clarence Mitchell, as well as the McCanns' legal team, is paid for by the couple's multi-millionaire supporter Brian Kennedy. Daily Mail

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Op dinsdag 8 januari 2008 12:10 schreef Suko het volgende:
Goedemorgen Kahaarin. Je moet er toch niet aan denken dat Gordon Brown het allemaal al wist wat betreft die Omaghzaak (precedent voor andere zaken) , en dat het daarom misschien zou kunnen dat de gevonden DNA-sporen middels Low copy number DNA 'toevallig' worden benoemd en wss door de Britse rechtbank niet ontvankelijk wordt verklaard.

Ondertussen...

Madeleine the movie: McCanns in talks over missing daughter's story


Waar is m'n teiltje....

(Justice for Madeleine)

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Portuguese police investigating the disappearance of British toddler Madeleine McCann say they have enough proof to charge her parents.

The Sunday Mail says detectives plan to travel to the UK to re-interview Gerry and Kate McCann. However it is claimed they already have enough evidence to mount a case against the couple and expatriate British suspect Robert Murat. It has not been revealed what crimes the couple or Mr Murat would be charged with.

Madeline vanished from a Portuguese hotel in May while her parents ate at a nearby restaurant. It has been claimed the blood found in a car hired by the parents weeks after she disappeared, definitely came from the British girl.

Portuguese newspaper Correio da Manha has cited police sources as saying new tests on blood found in the hire car conclusively showed it was the three year olds. It says police now have no doubts as to the little girl's fate.

Kate and Gerry McCann deny any involvement in their daughter's disappearance, they insist the presence of Madeleine's blood in the car is impossible because it was hired almost four weeks after she vanished.

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Op dinsdag 8 januari 2008 12:33 schreef Flawless2006 het volgende:
Ik snap alleen niet:

1. Hoe ze ongemerkt dat lijk kunnen vervoeren met alle pers en politie
2. Een lijk bloedt niet na 25 dagen, dunkt me (en zoiets vervoer je in dekens)

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The British doctors Kate and Gerry McCann, parents of Madeleine, 4, missing person since 3 of May in the south of Portugal, had been again in the center of accusations after to be divulged that the blood found in a vehicle rented for the couple is of the girl. according to Portuguese periodical "Post office of the Morning", the samples of blood found in the Renault Scenic, rented for the McCann 25 days after the disappearance of the son, and behind a sofa in the hotel room where the family was housed in beach of the Light would be of Madeleine, evidence that fortifies the theory of that it has been assassinated for the parents. Until the moment, the forensic results had been inconclusivos. However, according to Portuguese periodical, exists a bond enters these samples of blood and Madeleine. Moreover, the English tablóide "The Sun" informed that resulted "definitive" of the laboratory of Forensic Sciences of Birmingham, in England, they apóiam the theory of that the girl was assassinated in the apartment, and that its body soon was carried in a vehicle. The Portuguese Judicial Policy reconstituted the occurrence with the girl, since the moment where it disappeared in the night of last day 3 of May. In turn, the official spokesman of the McCann, Clarence Mitchell, characterized "the very painful" version as for Kate and Gerry. "They are depressed, since one more time rumors without bedding and speculations are being presented as concrete evidence", it added. "and with relation to the DNA examinations, that official of policy said this? That official source is cited? None, as always ", said Mitchell. according to spokesman of the McCann "is ridicule" to suggest that the blood of Madeleine was in the automobile "since it never was in the vehicle". "Kate and Gerry in way none had been tied with its death, or with the transport of the body", it continued. The periodical "Post office of the Morning" based its information supposedly citing next sources to the inquiry that if oppose to the version of the McCann.

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Portuguese prosecutors have begun moves to reinterview witnesses in the case of missing Madeleine McCann. It is believed that they may want British police to speak to seven friends who dined with Madeleine's parents on the night she was last seen.

Kate and Gerry McCann, both 39, are official suspects in the case along with British ex-pat Robert Murat, 33. Madeleine, four, from Rothley, Leicestershire, was last seen in Praia da Luz in Portugal on 3 May last year. The McCanns dined with their friends at a tapas restaurant as they left Madeleine and their two other children asleep in their nearby apartment.

In November, one of the group, Jane Tanner, told the BBC she saw a man carrying a child through the resort at about 2115 on 3 May. At the time she said she thought nothing of it, but realised the potential significance after she learned of Madeleine's disappearance at about 2200.

The BBC's Alison Roberts, in Portugal, said that for months there had been speculation that prosecutors would seek to reinterview people involved in the case and now they have said that process has begun.

The spokesman for the McCanns, Clarence Mitchell, told BBC News 24 that if the reports were correct the family would welcome them. "We have been saying for a long time now that, frankly, it's about time that the police came to reinterview anyone they need to reinterview," he said. "We feel that any inconsistencies the police are concerned about in any original statements from Gerry and Kate's friends can easily be cleared up through these reinterviews.

"And the sooner it happens the better, because we believe it will lead the police to realise there is no case against Gerry and Kate and it will lead to them being eliminated and their arguido [suspect] status lifted."

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Much of the police investigation has focused on the timeline of events on that night, and the group of friends - the so-called Tapas Nine - have been key to piecing it together. As well as the McCanns and Ms Tanner, they included Matthew and Rachael Oldfield, Russell O'Brien and Fiona Payne. Our correspondent said prosecutors in Portugal had made contact with Eurojust, the European Union's judicial cooperation unit, which deals with requests to allow police in one country to interview someone previously questioned in another.

She said that if the request was granted Portuguese detectives would be expected to travel to the UK as observers, but not to participate in any new questioning. Earlier, on Tuesday the McCanns' spokesman confirmed that the couple were considering allowing a documentary film crew to follow the continuing search for their daughter.

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Op dinsdag 8 januari 2008 23:04 schreef voyeur het volgende:
Nee, nee, het tij keert. Zie de Sun, zie het toelaten van negatief getinte commentaren op de Engelse tabloid reactie gedeeltes, zie bijvoorbeeld ook dit artikel http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=506889&in_page_id=1770 en zie ook dat ze plots de MçCann's heten en niet meer Kate en Gerry. Een telltale sign dat de tabloids omdraaien. Zie ook de andere gelinkte artikelen in dat artikel. Plots krijgt de woordvoerder van de McCann's een zuinige regel en worden de belastende verklaringen vrij nadrukkelijk gebracht.

Van Hero to Zero is gaande en lijkt nu onafwendbaar.

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Op dinsdag 8 januari 2008 20:57 schreef Loedertje het volgende:
McCanns in gesprek over verfilming zaak Madeleine
Uitgegeven: 8 januari 2008 17:51
Laatst gewijzigd: 8 januari 2008 20:25

LONDEN - De ouders van de verdwenen Britse kleuter Madeleine McCann zijn in gesprek met mediabedrijf IMG over plannen om het verhaal rondom de verdwijning van hun dochter te verfilmen.

Dit meldden Britse media dinsdag.

Volgens de woordvoerder van de familie willen de McCanns met de film de aandacht voor de verdwijning vasthouden en geld genereren voor het 'Vind Madeleine Fonds'. Het echtpaar overweegt ook een boek over de zaak te schrijven.

Nieuwe verdachte

In Portugese en Britse media werd dinsdag gespeculeerd over een mogelijke nieuwe verdachte in de zaak, namelijk Michaela Walczuch, de vriendin van verdachte Robert Murat.

Ook zou het bloed op de achterbank van de weken na de verdwijning door de McCanns gehuurde auto inderdaad van Madeleine zijn.

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Op dinsdag 8 januari 2008 23:50 schreef voyeur het volgende:
Nee Swetsenegger, dit topic is al tijden gesloten.

En ja Suko, mannen hebben minder last van incontinentie, maar ik bescheurde me ook. Ik ga vanavond nog met een rietje in mijn keel en wat rode wijn aan de slag. Daarna ga ik rondrijden met 15 kg rottend vlees onder het reservewiel en kijken of een hond iets geks ruikt na vijf weken. Wij hebben geen hond dus moeten er een lenen, maar misschien dat we zelf iets geks ruiken?

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Op woensdag 9 januari 2008 00:01 schreef Suko het volgende:
De commentaren... Off to bed.

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Ye gods! The original series is still going on and already they're planning the repeats!

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Clarence Mitchell said: "We've not agreed anything, we're not about to sign anything. We like the proposal, we thought it was fair, but there are others." .


"Any money raised that way would go to the fund, which Kate and Gerry do not control. This is not about personal gain for them.

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"Madeleine's Fund is spent on investigators and advertising. It's dwindling. The money is going. I would imagine we've got a few months left. It's not going to last the year unless we get more money in."

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Op woensdag 9 januari 2008 00:23 schreef Jane het volgende:

Die commentaren indeed! Ik moest stiekem toch erg lachen om deze:
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This is just apalling, they wouldn't even let Ben Affleck release his movie in the UK because of the sensitive nature of the investigation and because the kid in the film resembled Madeleine and now they want to make a movie about their own daughter?

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Op woensdag 9 januari 2008 00:29 schreef voyeur het volgende:
Donaties zijn altijd goed toch? De directeur van het fonds heeft ontslag genomen want die heeft 'nieuwe uitdagingen' volgens de spin doctors, maar ze zitten ook net voor het jaarverslag van de accountant waaruit zal blijken dat Searching for Madeleine donaties naar de hypotheek van de McCann's ging dus wie weet wou ze gewoon haar huid redden. Ratten weten vaak beter dan de bemanning wanneer het zinkend schip verlaten moet worden.

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"Clarence Mitchell, the family's spokesman, said: "We have had a number of preliminary meetings. Nothing has been confirmed and we are certainly not working in conjunction with any one particular organisation, film-maker or publisher at this stage."

He added that the film was not about making a profit for the family, but about keeping Madeleine's profile high and "finding their little girl".

The 39-year-old couple were, he said, extremely sensitive to public perception about anything they do to keep their daughter's disappearance in the public's mind. He added: "The criteria we have for doing anything is: How will this help find Madeleine? That is the bottom line.

"In the case of a book or a film, or a much longer-term project, there is the question of whether it helps generate some money for the fund to find her, and, if it doesn't help find Madeleine, whether it raises some of the issues that her disappearance throws up, such as the lack of a system of child alerts in Europe in the way that there is a system for alerting the whole country in America.

"There will be no personal gain for the McCanns whatsoever. This is not about making a profit for Gerry and Kate. This is about finding their little girl. "Any money that exists has to go into the general pot to pay for our private investigators, advertising etc."

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Madeleine McCann's parents have denied reports they are planning to make a film about her disappearance.
Writing on his online blog, Madeleine's father Gerry McCann said speculation about a film deal was "simply untrue".

However, he did confirm there had been talks with a production company about making a documentary on the couple.

He said projects were assessed to see if they could help find Madeleine, who disappeared in Portugal, just before her fourth birthday, last May.

'Simply untrue'

Writing on his blog on Tuesday, Mr McCann said: "Some of the media coverage today has been at its worst since Kate and I were declared arguidos [formal suspects].

"We can categorically deny that we are considering a movie about Madeleine's disappearance. This is simply untrue.

"We are approached by a huge number of media outlets regarding a myriad of projects, only a tiny proportion of which we agree to.

"Each proposal is considered on whether it is likely to have a positive effect, either directly or indirectly on the search for Madeleine."

("The media are making money out of the situation themselves and we feel it is only fair and right that some aspect of that should come to the fund to help find Madeleine"
(Clarence Mitchell ))

He added that there had been a "preliminary discussion" with a production company about a documentary on the issues the family had faced since the disappearance of their daughter.

The McCann's spokesman, Clarence Mitchell, said on Tuesday that there had been a meeting in December with the IMG film company, the firm behind the award-winning documentary Touching The Void.

He said the McCanns themselves had not attended the meeting, which discussed the possibility of making their daughter's disappearance into either a film or a TV drama.

Mr Mitchell said: "The media are making money out of the situation themselves and we feel it is only fair and right that some aspect of that should come to the fund to help find Madeleine.

"In this case we have had one meeting before Christmas. It was between myself, one other person and representatives from IMG."

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Op woensdag 9 januari 2008 12:16 schreef Suko het volgende:
Morning Kahaarin. Nou, het downplayen van de komende deals door Gerry McCann was te verwachten maar ik verwacht echt wel dat er big money in zicht is, vooral omdat er geen hond meer wat in het fonds stort.

En verder is het natuurlijk niet toevallig dat Clarence Mitchell deze berichten in de wereld stuurde na de conslusies van de PJ wat betreft de gevonden bloedsporen die alleen van Madeleine afkomstig zijn+ander feiten-materiaal, genoeg om de McCanns eventueel aan te klagen. Het is natuurlijk spin in optima forma, nog schokkender nieuws brengen (al of niet in de pijnlijn, dat verrot niet) zodat het bloedsporen-verhaal naar de achtergrond wordt geschoven. Alle krantenkoppen hebben het alleen nog over die mogelijke deals en niet over die bloedsporen. Het is een strategie welke Clarence Mitchell heeft opgebouwd toen hij nog voor de regering werkte. Het publiek heeft een kort geheugen, elke beschuldiging van buitenaf wordt bestoven met 'verhalen' die de echte beschuldiging(en) camoufleren. Of deze spin ook werkt bij deze tragedie valt te bezien. Op het Mirror-forum openen posters tenminste topics om de echte kwestie weer te benadrukken, de gevonden bewijzen en daar zou nu ook de nadruk op moeten liggen.

Ondertussen heb ik gelezen dat vriend en vakantiegenoot David Payne de bus-filmpjes (eerdere post) heeft gemaakt, blijft de vraag, wie heeft deze op youtube geplaatst en heeft/had daar belang bij. Nog wat interessante clues rondom de foto's: http://truthformadeleine.com/clothing_clues.htm

(Justice for Madeleine)

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Big news stories always end up as films. September 11th spurred roly-poly Michael Moore on to make Fahrenheit 911, and now Madeleine McCann's tragic tale looks set to hit the big screen.

After her probable abducted, Madeleine has yet to have been found. There have been countless campaigns, but nothing has helped to bring her home after six months. So what’s next on the list? More blessings from the Pope? A charity CD? No! Next on the agenda is a movie all about it. Possibly.

Just in case we needed reminding.

Before we continue, we must stress that a film about Madeleine McCann has already been filmed and released. However, this film was shelved in the UK as it bore too many resemblances to the real life case. Poor Ben Affleck must have been pretty pissed off about this. His film Gone Baby Gone - which was made ages before the McCann saga began - was all about a girl who was left alone by her parents and had something to do with drugs and child abuse. But most freaky of all, the girl who played the abandoned child was also called Madeleine! This surely would be something that would cause Derek Acora to twitch about in excitement and get his Scouse ghost antics going into overdrive.

But just because other films have self-censored over the Madeleine McCann incident, it doesn't mean that the McCanns will have to. Although they're being vaguely denied, rumours of a Madeleine McCann film have been murmured - a rubbish idea because at best, this sort of thing would only be shown on Channel 5 and we all know the plot anyway. As The Times reports:

“The parents of Madeleine McCann are considering giving the go-ahead to a film about their missing daughter following an approach by a major entertainment firm. The couple’s spokesman, Clarence Mitchell, confirmed that a meeting with the agency IMG took place last month but he added that Gerry and Kate McCann did not attend and nothing has yet been agreed.”

Like the race for governor of California, this could throw up a comical list of past-it actors for the various roles in this potential cringeworthy film. That is, unless the McCanns don't hog all the best roles for themselves:

“The spokesman would not speculate on whether Gerry and Kate would play themselves in any movie or whether their roles would be played by celebrity actors."

Let’s just hope this isn’t another campaign that will result in more endless accusations, finger-pointing and dead ends.

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Father denies Madeleine movie rumours Digital Spy 11:57

Madeleine's parents deny movie deal Scotsman.com 11:56


1 to 2 hours old

Parents of Madeleine deny film plan Reuters 11:25

Madeleine McCann Movie Bothering You Soon hecklerspray (Weblog) 11:11

McCanns deny plans for Madeleine movie This is South Wales 11:03

Ouders Madeleine ontkennen filmplannen 11:54 (ANP) Trouw, Voorpagina 10:59

Ouders Madeleine ontkennen filmplannen Leeuwarder Courant 10:52



McCanns plannen film over Madeleine de Volkskrant 10:42


2 to 4 hours old

Madeleine: muestra de sangre implica aún más a los padres Ultimas Noticias 10:26

Madeleine McCann parents in movie talks Irish Sun 10:08

Parents deny report about Madeleine film IOL 09:48

McCanns deny Madeleine film Guardian Unlimited 09:30

Plannen voor film zaak vermiste Madeleine Provinciale Zeeuwse Courant 09:17



Madeleine police have more questions Telegraph.co.uk 09:14

McCanns consider Madeleine film Telegraph.co.uk 09:14

Madeleine police plan further interviews Telegraph.co.uk 09:13

Madeleine film reports dismissed BBC 09:08

McCann parents deny reports about Madeleine film The Earth Times 08:32


4 to 6 hours old

Madeleine McCann: Not A Film, A Book And The McCanns Making Money Anorak.co.uk 08:13

McCanns deny reports of Madeleine film Guardian Unlimited 08:11

West Coast premiere of Madeleine Castaing by Christopher Flach 24-7PressRelease.com (Press Release) 08:07

McCanns deny plan for Madeleine movie Gazette News 07:57

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Op woensdag 9 januari 2008 12:36 schreef kahaarin het volgende:

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Inderdaad, mensen denken vaak alleen maar aan de laatste berichten, gelukkig trappen wij er niet in!
Dus ze denken dat Maddy al veel eerder dan de 3e mei vermoord/verongelukt is?
Hoe zouden ze dat hebben moeten klaarspelen?
Ik weet niet goed hoe ik dit moet zien, er zijn toch wel mensen die de familie McCann hebben gezien in PDL?
Persoonlijk vind ik de theorie dat Kate Maddy iets aan heeft gedaan de avond van de 2e mei het meeste hout snijden, toen die bovenbuuf dat geschreeuw om daddy heeft gehoord en een Kate die door het lint ging.

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Op woensdag 9 januari 2008 13:51 schreef Suko het volgende:

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Ik denk ook dat Madeleine vlak voor 3 mei is (per ongeluk) omgebracht. De theorie dat Madeleine misschien nooit in die week in Praia da Luz is geweest kan aannemelijk zijn maar ik geloof er eigenlijk niet meer in. Het verhaal van bovenbuuv Mevr. Fenn lijkt waar te zijn ondanks dat ze het later ontkende. Die ontkenning kan mogelijk door het team McCann zijn opgelegd, maar de statements van haar en de gewaarschuwde medewerkers van het MW-resort zijn heus wel vastgelegd en gedocumenteerd in rapporten. Ook kan het ontkennen (wat ze straffeloos tegenover de pers kan doen, wie maakt haar wat) twee doelen dienen, natuurlijk tgv de McCanns maar ook mogelijk in opdracht van de Portugese politie om het onderzoek stilletjes te laten verlopen, iets wat Voyeur schreef is interessant:"in het apartement van de McCanns] were under cover detectives watching after the McCanns moved out posing as tourists to put the McCanns under a false sence of security making them think that there was no suspicion." Als het waar is natuurlijk.

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Ook interessant, een van deze twee Roman Catholic Father Jose Manuel Pacheco of Anglican Haynes Hubbard heeft op 5 mei 's avonds in het andere apartement waar de McCanns heen gingen een soort service gehouden met een man of 30 aan gasten (familie en vrienden), was zeer indrukwekkend volgens dat artikel. Dat heb ik ergens gelezen, kan het even niet vinden. Maar dat gebeuren zie ik nu natuurlijk in een ander daglicht. Die avond was ook gelijk een bespreking voor de volgende dag, want dan zou er in de kerk van Praia da Luz een speciale dienst worden gehouden. Ik heb toen ook een foto gepost toen ze uit de kerk kwamen met de opmerking dat ik toen vond dat met name Kate (en enigszins ook Gerry) echte emoties toonde, als het ware een afscheid, wat eigenlijk misschien echt zo was...
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De rest van je latere post moet ik nog lezen Kahaarin.

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Op woensdag 9 januari 2008 14:09 schreef voyeur het volgende:
Een erg lang verhaal, maar goed opgebouwd en nuttig voor mensen die de zaak niet zo close volgen. Het legt goed uit waarom het ons zo bezighoudt of beter gezegd dwarszit. Komt van een poster op het Mirror forum.

This needs to stop. Now.

[knip]

Enough is enough.

JUSTICE FOR MADDIE."

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Op woensdag 9 januari 2008 14:12 schreef kahaarin het volgende:

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dat stukje wat voyeur heeft gepost neem ik met een overbekend korreltje zout, niets ten nadele van hem maar ik denk niet dat het waar is, domweg omdat dit nergens toe zou kunnen leiden in mijn ogen.
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Op woensdag 9 januari 2008 14:12 schreef kahaarin het volgende:
Tja, biechtgeheim is a bitch in deze, het zal ongetwijfeld heel indrukwekkend zijn geweest, ik denk dat je met het dikgedrukte wel eens gelijk kan hebben, een heel mooi afscheid en doordat de McCanns ongetwijfeld ter biecht zijn gegaan kunnen de geestelijken niet getuigen, als het echt een ongeluk is geweest en ze hebben hen daarvan weten te overtuigen dan zal een priester/pastoor zijn biechtgeheim niet breken, dat kunnen/mogen ze doen als er iemand in eminent gevaar verkeerd of als er sprake is van een koudbloedige moord, het zou wel verklaren waarom pater Pacheo uit de wind wordt gehouden door de kerk en waarom hij is verdwenen toen.

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Op woensdag 9 januari 2008 14:39 schreef Nadine26 het volgende:

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Maar denk jij serieus dat deze luitjes, als ze de hele wereld voor de gek hebben gehouden, tijdens de biecht opeens wél oprecht zijn geweest? Dat zou mooi zijn, zeg. Het biechtgeheim mag dan heilig zijn, me dunkt dat je eigen kinderen heel wat heiliger zijn dan die poppenkast voor zo'n man in een lange jurk.

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Op woensdag 9 januari 2008 14:39 schreef Nadine26 het volgende:

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Maar denk jij serieus dat deze luitjes, als ze de hele wereld voor de gek hebben gehouden, tijdens de biecht opeens wél oprecht zijn geweest? Dat zou mooi zijn, zeg. Het biechtgeheim mag dan heilig zijn, me dunkt dat je eigen kinderen heel wat heiliger zijn dan die poppenkast voor zo'n man in een lange jurk.

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Op woensdag 9 januari 2008 14:36 schreef voyeur het volgende:

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Ik voel me niet beledigd hoor, maar het probleem in deze zaak is dat er vrijwel geen harde feiten zijn omdat we geen toegang hebben tot het politiedossier, de Portugese politie geen persconferenties geeft, de Tapas9 met zekerheid liegen, de woordvoerder alleen maar spin produceert en we kortom alleen maar met zekerheid weten dat Madeleine weg is.

De uitspraak van een local in PDL:
"By the way for anyone that cares or is confused about quotations here , it was actually myself that said that 5a was never relet.

Thats regarded as one of the few facts here and local PJ and GNR say that the only people to have been in it were under cover detectives watching after the McCanns moved out posing as tourists to put the McCanns under a false sence of security making them think that there was no suspicion , the same as when they returned The Renault to them but replaced all the interior of the boot linings with replacement original equipment and sent the real stuff to west midlands uk.

The PJ have been and are very smart but have been beaten by intervention and could not afford to throw money at it indefinately"

vind ik niet ongeloofwaardig, maar weten doe ik niets in deze zaak. Het lijkt me echter dat als je daar woont en met de lokale politie spreekt en mensen in dat appartement ziet dat een best goede bron is.

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Op woensdag 9 januari 2008 14:43 schreef voyeur het volgende:

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Erg religieus waren ze kennelijk niet voor dat ze beroemd werden, maar absolutie is natuurlijk niet te versmaden voor een zondaar. Ik wou dat ik zelf geloofde in mannen in jurken; Kate sliep na vijf dagen al weer heerlijk terwijl ik, die niet eens met kinderlijkjes rondrij, soms wakker lig van mijn eigen kleine zondes.

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Op woensdag 9 januari 2008 14:09 schreef voyeur het volgende:
Een erg lang verhaal, maar goed opgebouwd en nuttig voor mensen die de zaak niet zo close volgen. Het legt goed uit waarom het ons zo bezighoudt of beter gezegd dwarszit. Komt van een poster op het Mirror forum.
(...)

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Op woensdag 9 januari 2008 15:00 schreef voyeur het volgende:
Voor de mensen die wel een leven hebben een transcript uit een interview met Gerry vandaag:
"Gaunty concluded by permitting Clarrie to publicise the 'Findmadeleine' Fund - which he said is still receiving donations. Clarrie said that obviously after the appeal at Chrismas - alot more money had come in (and I thought the appeal was for info. to find Madeleine, as least that's what alot of the pros were saying on these boards) Then he suddenly said 'YOU COULD ALSO PUT SOME MONEY IN AN ENVELOPE AND SEND IT TO THE MCCANNS ADDRESS - IT'LL GET THERE!!!!!'

Well, my mouth must've hit the keyboard at that stage. Worst PR, Blatant pitch for money that I've ever heard. Seem's the film deal is off - and money is needed by whatever means. "

Commentaar van de poster volstaat lijkt me

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Op woensdag 9 januari 2008 15:07 schreef kahaarin het volgende:

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Wat weer een rookgordijnen, zoveel non-nieuws in de media, de echte berichten sneeuwen zo wel onder, waarom zouden ze nog meer geld nodig hebben? Zouden ze een rechtzaak verwachten? Het geld mag daar hoop ik nog steeds niet voor gebruikt worden toch?

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Op woensdag 9 januari 2008 15:26 schreef voyeur het volgende:

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Nee, de betekenis van die oproep was:
stuur geld rechtstreeks naar het huis zodat die irritante fondsbestuurders niet kunnen zeuren over hypotheekbetalingen en de belastingdienst niet mekkert. Gewoon zwart in een envelopje door onze eigen brievenbus is veel lekkerder.

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Op woensdag 9 januari 2008 15:45 schreef voyeur het volgende:
Oh Kahaarin, maar er is veel geld nodig als je een celebrity leven ambieert hoor. Verkijk je daar niet op.

Overigens is er 80.000 pond zojuist besteed aan een publiciteitscampagne in Spanje, Portugal en Marokko. Ik verzeker je dat niemand daar iets van gezien heeft. Ik woon zelf in Spanje maar ook andere forummers in die landen kunnen zich niet één commercial, billboard of wat dan ook voor de geest halen in de laatste maand.

(en ik deel je frustratie, maar ik ben positief gestemd: alles sal rech komen)

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Op woensdag 9 januari 2008 15:45 schreef voyeur het volgende:
Oh Kahaarin, maar er is veel geld nodig als je een celebrity leven ambieert hoor. Verkijk je daar niet op.

Overigens is er 80.000 pond zojuist besteed aan een publiciteitscampagne in Spanje, Portugal en Marokko. Ik verzeker je dat niemand daar iets van gezien heeft. Ik woon zelf in Spanje maar ook andere forummers in die landen kunnen zich niet één commercial, billboard of wat dan ook voor de geest halen in de laatste maand.

(en ik deel je frustratie, maar ik ben positief gestemd: alles sal rech komen)

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The short answer to that question is that we don't know.

The Fund's organisers have refused to say how much has been spent but have confirmed that money donated by the public was made available for the family's living expenses.

In October, it was revealed that the Fund had been used to make mortgage payments on the McCanns' family home in Rothley. It is believed that two payments were made but that does not necessarily mean it was only for two months. It could possibly have included an arrears payment. We just don't know because the fund are not prepared to divulge that information.

The Fund has also met legal fees involved in setting up the Limited Company, which does not have charitable status. But the Fund's directors, which includes colleagues, friends and relatives of the McCanns, ruled that they cannot use it to pay the legal team defending them against Portuguese allegations that they were involved in Madeleine's disappearance. That has been met by a separate fund, using donations from wealthy benefactors including Sir Richard Branson.

The salary of the McCanns' spokesman Clarence Mitchell is paid by another millionaire, double-glazing tycoon Brian Kennedy. But Madeleine's Fund has paid for other staff, including former campaign manager Justine McGuinness,

In the weeks after Madeleine's disappearance it paid for her parents' campaign trips to Madrid, Amsterdam, Berlin, Washington DC and the Moroccan capital, Rabat.

It was revealed in September that about £300,000 had been spent, and that up to £80,000 was paid out for a new publicity campaign in Portugal, Spain and Morocco.

Donations have slowed dramatically, however, since the McCanns were made official suspects in the case.

Exact details of where the money has gone is unlikely to be made public for some time. The first accounts are not due until January 2009 and even then it is unlikely they will provide much detail as to how the money has been spent. Fund officials said an administrator had been appointed to ensure "the highest standards of transparency and accountability".

Mr Mitchell said in October: "The Fund exists to support Kate and Gerry where their living costs would become difficult. Gerry is going back to work this week and they hope they will not have to rely on it for their living costs for much longer."

It is also unclear exactly how much money has come into the Fund from donations, merchandise sales and interest. The official findmadeleine.com site carries a running total but this is very rarely updated and currently displays the donations figure only (which is £1,223,629.31 at 08 January 2008).

Incomings:

£1,223,629.31 + merchandise sales + interest

Outgoings:

£300,000 - Setting up the fund/Misc expenses/Promotional

£51,000 - Fees to Justine McGuiness as official spokesperson, based on £350 per day for 89 days (£31,150) + overtime payments and expenses - including bar and restaurant bills (£19,850).

£300,000 - Metodo 3* (based on 6 month contract @ £50,000 per month).

£4,000+ - Mortgage payments + 'living expenses'

£657,000+ Total expenditure

* Note: Spanish television channel Antena 3 claimed, in early December, to have permission from detective agency Metodo 3 to reveal that they were receiving their payment from Brian Kennedy not Madeleine's Fund or anyone else. Clarence Mitchell has made clear statements previously that Metodo 3's bills are being met by the fund.

On 22 December 2007 he is quoted as saying: "We will review Metodo 3’s contract as we would naturally with any contract. It’s an expensive operation but we are pleased with their work. All the directors want is value for money." (Link to quote) Bron

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Op woensdag 9 januari 2008 17:18 schreef Suko het volgende:

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Er is nogal wat verwarring rondom die bestedingen van het fonds:

So where has the money gone?

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Maar hier is een staatje van de Daily Mail:

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Ach, verdeel en heers heet 't, dit lijkt een variant, verdeel het nieuws, en spin....

(Justice for Madeleine)

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Op woensdag 9 januari 2008 19:08 schreef kahaarin het volgende:

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Er zou dus nog een kleine 600.000 pond over moeten zijn toch?

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In September they hired the Spanish agency Metodo 3 on a six month contract.

The agency will seek to have that renewed next month, but even if the fund directors agree it is likely to be a shorter term contract because of the financial uncertainty surrounding the fund.

Realistically, if no investment is forthcoming, the McCanns will be forced to call the agency's search to a halt and end their proactive hunt for Madeleine. The stark reality facing them has forced the couple to rethink their PR strategy, and are now looking at offers that have been on the table for eight months, and which they hoped they would never have to consider.

Clarence Mitchell, their official spokesman, said: "In theory by the summer the pot will run dry but we are taking steps to make sure that does not happen. "Hopefully we would have found Madeleine by then." He said private donations from the public were still coming in, and the fund had been boosted by £100,000 following a Christmas appeal.

The couple are considering getting involved in a docudrama with IMG, the makers of the award winning film Touching The Void, but Mr Mitchell said they would only undertake such projects if a donation to the fund was made and if they tackled wider issues and did not concentrate solely on Madeleine's disappearance.

Mr Mitchell said the couple were keen to highlight the lack of a proper co-ordinated response throughout Europe when a child goes missing, as opposed to a system used by America whereby a country-wide alert goes out within minutes of the alarm being raised.

He added: "If, God forbid, Madeleine is never found and the legacy is that no other family has to feel this way, at least some good would have come out of this appalling situation." However, the couple may be hampered because until their status as official suspects in the case is lifted, they are unable to publicly comment on what has happened, and Mr Mitchell said they would not be doing anything until they were formally freed from the investigation, which he admitted could yet be for several years.

The McCanns have agreed to a piece with the magazine Vanity Fair, which has also interviewed Robert Murat, to be published shortly, in an attempt, Mr Mitchell said, to widen awareness of Madeleine’s case in America. The fund's managers have a regular monthly meeting and are due to have one more meeting before Metodo 3's contract runs out, when they will decide whether to renew its contract.

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MADDYWATCH - Anorak’s at-a-glance guide to press coverage of Madeleine McCann

DAILY MIRROR front page: “MADELEINE: THE BIG INTERVIEW”

“Our regret”

“GERRY: I wish we have never gone to the tapas bar”
“KATE: I wish I’d seen the stranger watching us”

“READ THEIR HEARTBREAKING WORDS INSIDE”

Voyeurs, campaigners, police and handwringers come see the pain, the suffering the agony. Prepare to be heartbroken!

“Riddled with guilt, the distraught” Gerry will tell all to the Mirror. Well, not to the Mirror, rather to Vanity Fair magazine. Journalist Judy Bachrach spoke with Gerry in October near the family home in Rothley, Leicestershire

And the interview is not with Gerry and Kate. Only Gerry McCann was interviewed, says the Mail. Kate McCann’s words come via friends and family

Pages 4 and 5: “I WISH”.

It reads very much like a prayer, or a camping speech by Barack Obama. Says Gerry McCann:

“I wish I hadn’t gone to the tapas bar.
“I wish I’d have stayed in the apartment that night
“I wish I’d stayed in the room when I checked on her five minutes longer”

A wish…

Says Gerry McCann: “”At the time we did it, it was not irresponsible. Of course we feel guilty about not having been there and that is just something we have to deal with for the rest of our lives. You are not asking anything we don’t think about on a daily basis. We live this 24 hours a day”

Gerry says his world went “all black, with maybe tiny points of light” in the days after Madeleine vanished. “We can’t cry our eyes out every day because that’s not helping. So after three days I picked myself up…quicker than Kate could. Grief washes over you. It’s like a big wave, mostly I was able to beat it back”

And the Madeleine ‘Look into my eyes’ campaign? Says Gerry: “We thought it was possible this could hurt her. Her abductor might do something to her eye. But in marketing terms it was a good ploy”

THE SUN: “Life’s bleak but I cling to hope”

Says Gerry McCann: “People can support you in your darkest hours and in our case the darkest hour was of course when Madeleine went missing. Now it is just bleak”

In next month’s Vanity Fair: “The interview with Gerry came as it emerged GORDON BROWN has snubbed the McCanns’ request for a meeting; furious Kate EXPLODED when cops first told her she was a suspect; and family spokesman Clarence Mitchell has given a university SPEECH on the topic Missing Maddie McCann — the perfect PR campaign

“A pal of the McCanns said Kate, 39, believes the family were STALKED by Maddie’s kidnapper in the days before she went missing”. WOW

COUPLE hit back on film. Says Clarence Mitchell, the spokesperson: “It is not us being greedy. It is us being needy“

DAILY MAIL: “It’s all my fault, admits Maddie’s father”

Well, not quite. Gerry McCann is making no confession. He maintains that the fault lies with a kidnapper. Says the Mail: “Gerry McCann is tortured by guilt that Madeleine’s disappearance is his fault”

Will he tell all? Mr McCann tells Vanity Fair’s Judy Bachrach: “I can’t talk to you about the details of what happened. I live under threat from the Portuguese - if I do talk - of two years’ imprisonment”

“THIRD POLICE SUSPECT BREAKS HIS SILENCE” – Says Robert Murat to Vanity Fair: “All I can say is that I am innocent”

DAILY EXPRESS front page: “MADELEINE - MOTHER IS SHUNNED BY PRIEST”

Page 9: “KATE’S SCREAMS AS POLICE TOLD HER: YOU’RE A SUSPECT – KATE McCann screamed when told by police that she was a suspect in Madeleine’s disappearance, it emerged yesterday. Opening the door of her rented villa to a Portuguese officer the family had come to know, Kate, 39, shouted: ‘Do you honestly believe that I would murder my own child?’”

Gerry McCann is a “39-year-old cardiologist”. Facts!

On the speculation: “Gerry says bitterly: ‘Yes, yes, I know. Kate killed her in a frenzy, Madeleine was sedated by us, she fell down the stairs – in which case you would have thought they’d have found her body. I’ve heard all of that. There are a huge number of theories in the media. But what I want to know is, who told them all that?’”

DAILY STAR: “Anguished and painfully thin, his wife Kate was too upset to answer even a single question during the interview with glossy US magazine Vanity Fair. Gerry revealed in the 7,500-word magazine article he had to be coaxed by a counsellor into talking publicly about his daughter in the days after she disappeared”

DAILY RECORD: “Maddie’s Dad: Slim Chance Of Getting Her Back”

“Distraught Gerry McCann has admitted the chances of him seeing his missing daughter Madeleine again are ‘slim’”

VANITY FAIR: “Unanswered Prayers”

“After three-year-old Madeleine McCann disappeared on a family vacation in Portugal, her parents pursued a high-stakes strategy: media saturation. It succeeded beyond their wildest imaginings—winning the aid of everyone from J. K. Rowling to the Pope—and failed miserably. Getting the first in-depth interview with Gerry McCann since he and his wife, Kate, were declared suspects, the author re-traces their footsteps to their daughter’s empty bed”

And then a policeman appeared. His name Ricardo. “Because for months they used to have regular weekly meetings with the Portuguese police, and then they stopped,” recalls Gerry’s older sister Trish Cameron

“Do you have something to tell us?” Ricardo asked.

“No,” Kate replied. “Do you have something to tell us?”

“He nodded. “Yes. You are being made arguidos”…

Eight months of talking - read it all…

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Op woensdag 9 januari 2008 20:25 schreef Suko het volgende:

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Nou, als er 1,223,629.31 op de teller staat en er is £657,000 uitgegeven, dan blijft er over 6.557.763.8 dacht ik, gerekend volgens de cijfers uit de eerste link. Besides, Gerry heeft ook nog een job aangenomen, naast die baan in het ziekenhuis (£75,000 p/jr), van de British Heart Foundation, about the six-figure grant. En of hij de rest van z'n nevenfuncties (allerlei adviescommissies, waarvan er ook eentje voor de regering) heeft opgepakt weet ik niet. En volgens mij is hij ook nog actief in een privékliniek. Maar Kate heeft haar 2-daagse baan als huisarts opgegeven, dat zal een 'klap' zijn natuurlijk...

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Nog een quootje uit de Telegraph:
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Opvallend op de site staat nu een link naar http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/ onder het kopje Externe links, dat was niet zo.

(Justice for Madeleine)

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Op donderdag 10 januari 2008 10:52 schreef Suko het volgende:

Madeleine McCann: Gerry McCann Talks With Vanity Fair

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En dat dit: Why the McCanns would be mad to make a film of Madeleine's abduction
Een vergelijking met de film Lorenzo's Oil: "Sure enough, in 1990, George Miller, the Australian director who went on to make Happy Feet, contacted my father. He wanted to make a Hollywood movie about "Lorenzo's Oil", as my parents had called the oil they'd developed."

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In a startling new development, a witness has come forward with a photograph of a man she says she saw acting suspiciously on the night of May 3, outside what she claims to be the McCann's apartment.

The witness - a consultant phycologist whose credibility was proved by an estate agent valuing her home at $900,000, said she is, "100 per cent certain" the man she saw was Murat.

When 'i On Global Trends' asked her if there was anything distinctive about the man, she said she didn't notice anything out of the ordinary apart from the fact he had a funny eye - "look, you can see it quite clearly" she said pointing to the back of the man's head.

When asked, "Didn't you think a man clambering into a bedroom dressed in a red suit and red hat in May, looked suspicious?" she replied, "You don't move in the same circles as I do, do you sweet cheeks?"

The woman dressed in a, "I was rejected by the Aussie Blogger" T shirt, (available in my online store) explained that it had taken her eight months to approach the Manuel Smart Detective Agency with the photograph, because it wasn't her turn.

The witness who wants to avoid publicity and doesn't want her name in print unless it's on a cheque, told Hello, The Sun, CNN, The Daily Mail, Daily Express, The Beano, and Jackanory, that she did not know the McCanns personally, as she only belongs to the same golf club, attends the same parties and Gerry works with her dad.

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Op donderdag 10 januari 2008 12:07 schreef kahaarin het volgende:
@Yvonne, dankje!
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En wat moeten we hier van denken?
Ik denk dat ze toch wel 'haar soort' wil beschermen, toch een beetje vaag dat ze precies het (glazen) oog van Murat weet te beschrijven, maar dat kan ze ook uit de pers hebben of van de PI's van de McCanns natuurlijk, we shall see.

http://ionglobaltrends.bl(...)-certain-it-was.html

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Op donderdag 10 januari 2008 12:27 schreef milagro het volgende:
weet iemand nog wanneer dat fonds eigenlijk is opgericht?
hoeveel dagen na de 3e mei?

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Op donderdag 10 januari 2008 13:03 schreef voyeur het volgende:
Overigens ook een mooi citaat uit het Vanity Fair interview:

"''And Kate says she told friends: “I hope whoever has Madeleine is giving her blankets, is feeding her properly, is keeping her warm.”

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Op donderdag 10 januari 2008 13:03 schreef voyeur het volgende:
Overigens ook een mooi citaat uit het Vanity Fair interview:

"''And Kate says she told friends: “I hope whoever has Madeleine is giving her blankets, is feeding her properly, is keeping her warm.”

Dus ze hoopt dat de pedofiele predator beter voor haar kind zorgt dan zijzelf? Hoe gestoord is dat mens?

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Op donderdag 10 januari 2008 13:04 schreef kahaarin het volgende:

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Madeleine's Fund
Tributes in Rothley on 17 May 2007A fund-raising company, known as Madeleine's Fund: Leaving No Stone Unturned, was launched in Leicester on 16 May 2007. The Fund is a limited company, not a registered charity, because its objectives are not wide enough to satisfy Charity Commission criteria for UK charities.[34] The objectives include helping the family with their expenses and continuing the investigation independently should that prove necessary. Any excess funds would be used to help search for other abducted children[35] The Fund's website reportedly received 58 million hits and 16,000 messages of support by 18 May, only two days after its launch.[36] Over £1,036,000 had been raised by 11 September 2007.[37]


13 dagen dus, het heeft niet lang geduurd voordat ze daarmee begonnen.

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Op donderdag 10 januari 2008 13:14 schreef milagro het volgende:

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ah bedankt.
13 dagen voor het in de lucht was, maar zoiets vergt voorbereiding natuurlijk, dat zet je niet 1,2,3 op allemaal.

en over vreemde quotes gesproken... Kate over Madeleine ook :

"I bet she's giving whoever she's with her tuppence worth"

tja, sorry, hoor

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Op donderdag 10 januari 2008 13:29 schreef kahaarin het volgende:

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Ironie om maar eens met voyeur te spreken , om het niet bijtend sarcasme te noemen, ik snap niet hoe een moeder dit soort dingen over haar lippen weet te krijgen, in mijn ogen ten hemel schreiend.

Ik vind 13 dagen aardig snel, toen was er nog helemaal niets bekend over wat dan ook, die machine is erg snel op gang gekomen.

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Op donderdag 10 januari 2008 13:33 schreef milagro het volgende:

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13 dagen minus de voorbereidingen dan nog, he , dus het plan was er zowat direct al, om amper een week later al in kannen en kruiken te zijn, er moest geld komen en snel maar vooral veel.

die quote heeft iets "sinister sordids' wat mij betreft...al bedoelt ze er natuurlijk iets heel anders mee, en zit het sordid in mijn hoofd

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Op donderdag 10 januari 2008 12:07 schreef kahaarin het volgende:
@Yvonne, dankje!
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En wat moeten we hier van denken?
Ik denk dat ze toch wel 'haar soort' wil beschermen, toch een beetje vaag dat ze precies het (glazen) oog van Murat weet te beschrijven, maar dat kan ze ook uit de pers hebben of van de PI's van de McCanns natuurlijk, we shall see.

http://ionglobaltrends.bl(...)-certain-it-was.html

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Op donderdag 10 januari 2008 13:04 schreef kahaarin het volgende:

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Madeleine's Fund
Tributes in Rothley on 17 May 2007A fund-raising company, known as Madeleine's Fund: Leaving No Stone Unturned, was launched in Leicester on 16 May 2007. The Fund is a limited company, not a registered charity, because its objectives are not wide enough to satisfy Charity Commission criteria for UK charities.[34] The objectives include helping the family with their expenses and continuing the investigation independently should that prove necessary. Any excess funds would be used to help search for other abducted children[35] The Fund's website reportedly received 58 million hits and 16,000 messages of support by 18 May, only two days after its launch.[36] Over £1,036,000 had been raised by 11 September 2007.[37]


13 dagen dus, het heeft niet lang geduurd voordat ze daarmee begonnen.

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Op donderdag 10 januari 2008 14:20 schreef kahaarin het volgende:
@Suko, ik ben tot halverwege pag. 2 gekomen, wat een drama verhaal, allemaal oud nieuws en zo totaal gemaakt om sypathie (lees: donaties) op te wekken dat ik er misselijk van werd, nogmaals het gaat helemaal niet meer om of over Maddy maar om een campagne die de ouders moet vrijpleiten.
Wat een BS, zouden er echt nog mensen zijn die er in trappen?

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Op donderdag 10 januari 2008 14:20 schreef kahaarin het volgende:
@Suko, ik ben tot halverwege pag. 2 gekomen, wat een drama verhaal, allemaal oud nieuws en zo totaal gemaakt om sypathie (lees: donaties) op te wekken dat ik er misselijk van werd, nogmaals het gaat helemaal niet meer om of over Maddy maar om een campagne die de ouders moet vrijpleiten.
Wat een BS, zouden er echt nog mensen zijn die er in trappen?

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Op donderdag 10 januari 2008 14:59 schreef voyeur het volgende:

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Ik heb het origineel (dus niet de verknipte versie uiit de Engelse pers) helemaal gelezen en het is echt uiterst kritisch over de McCann's. De Amerikanen krijgen geen positief beeld van het echtpaar.

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Op donderdag 10 januari 2008 15:10 schreef kahaarin het volgende:

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Ik zou bijna zeggen gelukkig maar, ik blijf van mening dat zolang ze nog niet met overtuigend bewijs vrijgepleit kunnen worden er niet zoveel aandacht moet zijn voor hun verhaaltjes en gespin in de media, ze zijn nota bene verdachten in de verdwijning van hun dochter en er is bewijs tegen hen gvonden en er zijn een heleboel zaken nog niet duidelijk, ik vind niet dat hen een platform gegund mag worden waarop zij de kans hebben omzichzelf vrij te pleiten en de opinie te veranderen.

@Suko, dus het is nog sneller gegaan dan we aanvankelijk dachten, zou jij daar als eerste aan denken als jouw neefje/nichtje werd vermist? Als er heel duidelijk is gezegd dat dergelijke verdwijningen gebaat zijn bij een gedegen onderzoek en zo min mogelijk media aandacht?

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Op donderdag 10 januari 2008 14:59 schreef voyeur het volgende:

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Ik heb het origineel (dus niet de verknipte versie uiit de Engelse pers) helemaal gelezen en het is echt uiterst kritisch over de McCann's. De Amerikanen krijgen geen positief beeld van het echtpaar.

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Op donderdag 10 januari 2008 18:17 schreef voyeur het volgende:
Ik bedoelde gewoon dat op forums een verknipte versie rondzwierf die veel positiever voor de McCann's was.

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he search for Madeleine McCann has been hijacked by her parents' "gigantic propaganda machine", Portuguese police have claimed.

Officers lashed out against Kate and Gerry McCann's slick PR operation after learning they had granted an interview to glossy magazine Vanity Fair, and could even make £2million from a film about their daughter's disappearance. A source close to the investigation said detectives were furious about the latest publicity, which came as formal requests for the McCanns' friends to be reinterviewed were sent to Britain.

Police are also skeptical about "a surge" of new witnesses traced by the couple's private detective agency, Metodo 3, the Portuguese newspaper Correio da Manha reported. The unnamed source said: "Who do the McCanns think they are?

"The discovery of new witnesses in the last few weeks have led authorities to believe they are battling against a gigantic propaganda machine. "The McCanns have some very powerful people on their side - millionaires, celebrities and even politicians."

A second official dismissed the work of the couple's detective agency as "diversion tactics", aimed at distracting police away from the McCanns, who are still official suspects in the case. He said: "Their tactics are really beginning to annoy us. Whenever a decisive date approaches the company takes a new rabbit out of the hat."

The attacks are a clear indication of the anger that the McCanns' publicity campaign has caused in Portugal, where police investigations are usually carried out in secret. Mr McCann, 39, gave the interview alone in October, without his wife Kate, after being approached by the magazine. Vanity Fair also spoke to the couple's friends and family as well as to the other suspect in the case, Robert Murat. Clarence Mitchell, the family's spokesman, said Mr McCann had not been paid by Vanity Fair and had instead requested donations to the fund in return for cooperation with future projects.

He said the Find Madeleine campaign was to take on a "commercial dimension" to keep it in the black. It emerged on Tuesday that the couple could make £2million from a film about Madeleine's disappearance. Other projects could include a book deal and even TV chat shows which the McCanns have shunned in the past for fear of seeming like celebrities.

The £1.2million fund to finance the search for Madeleine has been halved by the cost of hiring private detectives, running adverts and paying the family's living costs. Only £600,000 remains and the balance is expected to drop to only £346,000 by April and possibly zero by June.

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Op donderdag 10 januari 2008 17:54 schreef Suko het volgende:

Als je met zoveel vrienden en familie daar zit dat zou je toch denken dat je potdomme direct samen met je vent, of om beurten vanwege de twins, je als de sodemieter gaat zoeken (nadat je al van schrik het hele dorp bij elkaar hebt geschreeuwd), na uren zorg zorg je dat iedereen belt van enig nut, je neemt om beurten even rust, je gaat weer zoeken, trommelt een posse bijeen, kortom je doet fysiek alles maar dan ook alles om je kleine (she is so special, remember?) meid te vinden. Iedereen om je heen, die ook maar enig gevoel in z'n donder had zou mee gaan zoeken. Je valt de politie lastig als je vindt dat ze niet genoeg doen, je gaat daar desnoods voor het bureau liggen, tiimmert tegen de deur, je gaat verder met z'n allen zoeken, de poten in de klei/zand/modder whatever. Wat kan het verrotten maar je haalt zoveel mogelijk uit de kast om je kid te vinden. Maar nee, er werd vooral gebeld vlak na de vermissing, met mams en je priester in de UK, Sky News in Lissabon, een jeugdvriiendin en God weet wie allemaal die op dat moment geen moer echt konden doen, en vooral direct benadrukken (Gerry) dat het om een ontvoering ging, roepend, it's a disaster...it's a disaster, tegen schoonma. Kind had in eerste instantie weggelopen kunnen zijn, iets wat ze eerder had gedaan uit ondeugendheid, en door buren gevonden na een half uur. Misschien was ze nu ergens in gevallen, maar om gelijk aan een ontvoering te denken? En zo zijn er tig onbegrijpelijkheden die je als paps en mams (maar ook mensen zonder kinderen) niet bevat en niet in mijn hoofd willen gaan, en de rest van de wereld ook niet geloof ik. Waarom ze niet zochten, druk druk druk met van alles, zoals blijkt uit een interview met Jane Hill, behalve met zoeken... Media-aandacht zeker maar aldaar en wijde omtrek, ook in de UK, spreek na verloop van tijd je rijke invloedrijke vriendjes aan maar de rest is onzin, rubbisch!

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Psychic investigators from a popular American television programme are flying out to Portugal in an attempt to solve the mystery of missing Madeleine McCann.

Three clairvoyants from the hit show Haunting Evidence will travel to Praia da Luz in a bid to find the missing four-year-old.

Kate and Gerry McCanns have received 1,500 offers from psychics hoping to find Madeleine

The programme’s makers claim to have previously made a breakthrough in an unsolved murder case in the US.

However, a spokesman for Gerry and Kate McCann said they had decided not to take up an offer from the show to co-operate with it.

Clarence Mitchell said: “We did receive an offer and chose on this occasion not to respond. We are grateful for any assistance they bring to bear in the hunt for finding Madeleine.”

So far the McCanns have received 1,500 offers from psychics hoping to find Madeleine.

advertisementMr Mitchell said: “We thank them for their concern and any demonstrably checkable fact is passed on to the police or the private detective agency.”

However, the agency employed by the McCanns, Metodo 3, may not have its contract renewed next month following a series of outspoken comments and unfulfilled promises by its boss Francisco Marco.

Costing £50,000 a month, they are nearing the end of their six month contract.

The Find Madeleine Fund, which is paying them from public donations but which is beginning to run short of money, will announce next month whether the contract is being renewed.


Much will rest on the thoughts of Brian Kennedy, the double glazing magnate who is funding the McCann’s attempts to clear their name, who holds the contract with Metodo 3.

He is understood to have been annoyed by comments prior to Christmas from Mr Marco that they knew who had kidnapped Madeleine and even promised to have her home for Christmas.

A source close to the McCanns said: “Operationally the Fund is happy that Metodo 3 is searching for Madeleine but there are people who are none too impressed by Francisco shooting his mouth off.”

At a meeting on Thursday, the Fund agreed to raise money for the fund, which currently sits at £600,000 but which faces running dry by late summer unless it receives a cash injection, by exploiting more media opportunities.

It has drafted in Jon Corner, a film producer and friend of the McCann’s, to help Mr Mitchell look at offers they have received, such as making a docudrama or writing a book.

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Op vrijdag 11 januari 2008 17:48 schreef Suko het volgende:
Dit stukje uit je post is wel interessant: "The Find Madeleine Fund, which is paying them from public donations but which is beginning to run short of money, will announce next month whether the contract is being renewed. Much will rest on the thoughts of Brian Kennedy, the double glazing magnate who is funding the McCann’s attempts to clear their name, who holds the contract with Metodo 3." Voor mij blijkt hieruit dat die Kennedy mogelijk wél Metodo 3 uit eigen zak betaald. Ik heb ergens gelezen dat er niet eerder dan 2009 openheid van zaken komt wat betreft de bestedingen tot nu toe, het is absoluut niet duidelijk wie wat betaald.

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As someone in the trade I can confirm, absolutely, that's the case, and Sky News and the Murdoch media empire are well on-track to secure the rights, with only Richard Branson's financing the parents being a problem.

Sky News were given the very first, exclusive interview with the McCanns just days after the child was reported missing. A bizarre thing for the McCanns to do: selling their story to just one media outlet was the least efective way of getting their message out. An open-to-all press/media conference would have been far more appropriate, but of course would pay far less... It would also would have meant having to answer questions from lots of awkward journalists rather than just the one, with the pre-arranged questions...

For those in the media trade, that was the first real sign that this whole missing child affair was not what it seemed. We have yet to be proved wrong...

As we all know, from the very earliest days pounds signs have been the guiding influence in everything the McCanns have done, and nothing has changed recently.

The desire to empty the official fund before the first anniversary is entirely understandable. The McCanns know they cannot get away with using it personally any more, and that details of much more than just mortgage payments will have to be revealed in due course...

As the first anniversary approaches (and make no mistake, plans are well under way for this - in the full knowledge that short of a miracle by the PJ, turning up the body, Madeleine will still be missing...) the McCanns will want all the book, programme and film deals signed ready. The million pound fund (and all the as yet unaccounted for interest...) will pale into insignificance beside the money the McCanns will personally make as we enter Year Two.

Be under no illusion - hiring Metodo 3 had nothing to do with finding a child, but was a brilliant dramatic move on Team McCann's part, as will be their dismissal and replacement of Metodo in the New Year. This whole affair has been so sickeningly well orchestrated as to be almost unbelievable.

The film script is almost certainly well underway, and quite likely several endings are already being discussed. Safe to presume none of them involve Madeleine being returned alive...

The book, likewise, is as good as written several times over, and a safe bet Clarence is already negotiating for final rights...

With Murdoch and Sky/The Sun/Times/20th Century Fox on one side and Branson and Virgin Media on the other, the parents are going to be set up for life if the PJ fail to secure a conviction...

Of course, Clarence wins either way. His inside knowledge of the couple will secure his financial future whatever the fate of the parents......Bron

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The Portuguese prosecutor in the case of Madeleine McCann has applied for files to be kept secret for longer. The request means the three official suspects, who include Madeleine's parents, cannot yet discover what case police have against them.

Case files are usually opened eight months after police start their investigation on an individual. Madeleine, four, from Rothley, Leics, was last seen in Praia da Luz in the Algarve on 3 May last year. Prosecutors can ask a judge to keep files closed on the grounds that opening them would undermine the ongoing investigation.

Filed request

Next Monday marks eight months since British expatriate Robert Murat was declared the first arguido, or official suspect. But the BBC has learned prosecutors have already filed their request to keep the files closed. The judge's decision on secrecy will apply to all those involved in the case.

Therefore, if he accepts the prosecutor's argument, Madeleine's parents, Kate and Gerry McCann, will also continue with no access to the evidence, if any, police have against them. The investigation itself continues, with prosecutors still finalising their formal request for witnesses to be interviewed in the UK.

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Madeleine McCann was raped, murdered and her body dumped in a reservoir within 48 hours of her disappearance, a lawyer claimed. Underworld criminals contacted a human rights lawyer on May 6, three days after the girl vanished, with details of her alleged abduction and murder, he said. But when Marcos Aragao Correia tried to tell police, he was ignored, he added.

The lawyer has contacted Kate and Gerry McCann's detective agency, which has begun to investigate his theory. If true, Mr Correia, 32, believes it would clear the couple of suspicion that they were involved in their daughter's disappearance. He refused to reveal his underworld sources but said: "They indicated that Madeleine had been abducted, raped and murdered within the first two days after her abduction, and her body thrown into a lake in the Algarve."

From the description of the location that he was given, Mr Correia deduced that Madeleine's body is at the bottom of the Barragem do Arade reservoir, near Silves, 40 miles from Praia da Luz. The lawyer, from Madeira, travelled to the Algarve to investigate the claims and visited the reservoir, 150ft deep in places, with Metodo 3 last month.

In an interview with the Portuguese magazine Lux, Mr Correia said: "It is the ideal place for somebody to get rid of a body, practically without leaving any trace." He said Metodo 3 was "very interested" in his information. "Police sources told Lux they did not believe Mr Correia's information was credible.">>> het hele artikel Daily Mail

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Op vrijdag 11 januari 2008 20:14 schreef Suko het volgende:
Sky News were given the very first, exclusive interview with the McCanns just days after the child was reported missing. A bizarre thing for the McCanns to do: selling their story to just one media outlet was the least efective way of getting their message out. An open-to-all press/media conference would have been far more appropriate, but of course would pay far less... It would also would have meant having to answer questions from lots of awkward journalists rather than just the one, with the pre-arranged questions...

For those in the media trade, that was the first real sign that this whole missing child affair was not what it seemed. We have yet to be proved wrong...

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Op zaterdag 12 januari 2008 11:43 schreef milagro het volgende:
jammer alleen dat Joran na de uitzending alsnog zijn beheersing verloor

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Op vrijdag 11 januari 2008 21:51 schreef Suko het volgende:
>knip<

Eigenlijk lees ik hier uit dat langzamerhand men het publiek laat 'wennen' dat ze denken dat Madeleine niet meer leeft, tenslotte moet die eventuele film/boek whatever toch een soort einde krijgen, daar houden regisseurs/schrijvers van, en ook het publiek. En het is weer een afleidingsmanouvre, vooral niet de aandacht op de ouders, formeel verdachten, vestigen...

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Kate and Gerry McCann have been told that the proposed documentary about their daughter's disappearance can go ahead only if she is found – alive or dead. At a meeting last month with entertainment agency IMG, it was explained to the couple's representatives that the search for four-year-old Madeleine must reach a 'conclusion' before production on the film can begin.

A source said: 'It was awkward to raise but there would need to be an ending – either Madeleine being found alive or a body being discovered. "If this wasn't the case, and there was a major development after filming and editing, it could render the documentary redundant."

Channel 4 and production company Darlow Smithson are handling the controversial project and have lined up highly regarded director Louise Osmond. It is thought a film could earn the McCanns as much as £2million, which would help towards the cost of the search for their daughter, who disappeared from the family's holiday apartment in Praia da Luz, Portugal, last May.

The couple's official spokesman, Clarence Mitchell said they would consider only "something done sensitively and considerately". It is believed that the McCanns' representatives were attracted to the proposal because of a previous Darlow Smithson documentary about a teenage girl who vanished in the United States in 2002.

The 14-year-old was snatched from her bedroom in Salt Lake City by a religious maniac but found safe nine months later. There was another blow for the McCanns yesterday when the authorities in Morocco – identified by their detective agency Metodo 3 as a key area in the search for Madeleine – declared there was "no evidence of her being here". Daily Mail

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Op zaterdag 12 januari 2008 15:03 schreef Oksel het volgende:
Joran van der Sloot heeft na de uitzending een glas rode wijn in het gezicht van Peter R de Vries gegooid..

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MADDYWATCH - Anorak’s at-a-glance guide to press coverage of Madeleine McCann

SUNDAY MIRROR: “Tapas 7 in despair at all the ‘lies’”

They say they are also called the Tapas Nine? And the Sangria Seven.

“The Tapas Seven are “in meltdown” over the failure of Portuguese police to make any meaningful progress in the hunt for Madeleine”

“IT’S OUR D-DAY - McCanns return to Portugal - EXCLUSIVE Kate and Gerry set date in April for Algarve showdown They’ll tell cops: show your evidence or clear us for good”. Like that D-Day back on November?

“Despairing Kate and Gerry McCann are planning to return to Portugal for a face-to-face showdown with police who think they killed their daughter Madeleine”

They are going back. Now..?

Well, not exactly: “A close friend said the the couple were likely to go back after their ‘D-Day’ of April 11, when their three-month extension is up, and added: ‘They feel they’ve waited long enough with this cloud of suspicion hanging over them. They know their return would be very high-profile. They believe investigators do not have the evidence against them to bring charges, and their presence in Portugal would embarrass them. They’ve so far held off going back there, but they see it as their trump card”

They will go back once they have been allowed to see the police first on them

Says the paper’s source: “They see April 11 as their D-day. They have decided to give the police reasonable time to clear them, or at least open the case files so they can see the evidence against them”

That’s good of them…

FIONA Philips, of GMTV writes: “Have a heart”. Yes, that Fiona Philips

“Unbelievably, every time I write about the McCanns I get messages saying, ‘I used to like you, until you started supporting the McCanns.’ Nice, eh? So I hope you’re happy now that Kate and Gerry have blamed themselves for Madeleine’s disappearance”

Happy?

“In a list of ‘if onlys’, Gerry said: ‘I wish I’d stayed in the apartment that night.’ Now, I expect more bile on praising them for considering making a documentary on the case. Surely you can’t tell me that there’s a parent out there who wouldn’t do anything possible to find their missing child?”

SUNDAY PEOPLE: “’We pray she’ll be at party for twins’”

“Brave Kate McCann is planning a huge birthday party for her twins - and dreams missing Maddie will be there too. Kate, 39, has vowed to go ahead with the bash for Sean and Amelie even though she is still waiting for cops to quiz her again. Mother-in-law Eileen said: ‘The party’s on and it will be an even bigger one if wee Madeleine is back. All we can do is hope and pray.’ Sean and Amelie turn three on February”

Touching stuff. Gerry McCann is a “heart specialist”

MAIL ON SUNDAY: “Madeleine: No film will be made unless she’s found - alive or dead”

“Kate and Gerry McCann have been told that the proposed documentary about their daughter’s disappearance can go ahead only if she is found – alive or dead.

A source says: “It was awkward to raise but there would need to be an ending – either Madeleine being found alive or a body being discovered. If this wasn’t the case, and there was a major development after filming and editing, it could render the documentary redundant”

Or the parents or some other person or persons are charged, perhaps?

THE OBSERVER: “A good week for … a bad week for …”

“A bad week for …

“Tradition – A Lib Dem MP called Lynne Featherstone has made a bid for the limelight by reporting the monarchy to the Equality Commission because it goes in for primogeniture”

“Marcus Agius The chairman of Barclay’s was the target of £10,000 fraud”

“Good Taste - Or indeed any taste at all. A London based agency which supplies celebrity doubles has employed a small girl to rent out as Madeleine McCann. 20 per cent”

It was a “good weeks for… Washing up”

“THE Maddie story is already a soap opera, so why the moral panic over a movie? - Don’t get me wrong - nobody wants to see Maddie: The Musical. However, needs must if the McCanns want to continue trying to find out what happened to their daughter and they do, despite the devastating expense (their somewhat unproductive detective agency alone costs £50,000 a month) and the increasingly shabby odds.”

Maddie: The Musical, eh..?

THE SUNDAY INDEPENDENT: “Strange case of the detectives trying to trace Madeleine”

“After a week when commercials deals were more apparent than clues, we investigate the investigators”. Why not investigate the case?

“Just when the Madeleine McCann saga couldn’t get any more agonising, along came a raft of developments last week that began to achieve what you would hope would be impossible: turning a little missing girl into an industry – Madeleine Inc. Item: a London agency hawking around various small girls as Madeleine lookalikes. Item: US television bringing a team of psychics to bear on the disappearance as part of what they no doubt hoped would be a money-spinner of a show. Item: her parents, Gerry and Kate McCann, exploring the possibility of selling the book and film rights to the case”

Madeleine became a brand long ago. Brand McCann…

“Madeleine Inc bring benefits to some, but not, so far, to the girl herself or her distraught parents”

Or Madeleine Ink – see the press

THE SUNDAY TIMES: Ron Liddle writes:

“So, get yourself ready for Maddie – The Movie (PG, until you fancy nipping out for something to eat). Kate and Gerry McCann’s press spokesman, Clarence Mitchell, has confirmed that the couple met with representatives from the US entertainment company IMG before Christmas and that while nothing was agreed, the meeting had been ‘positive’. A day later Gerry McCann hastily backtracked and said no, no, they weren’t planning a movie. Who to believe? And which British actors will Hollywood cast as the parents if there is a film? Sacha Baron Cohen and Catherine Tate? Am I bovvered? Look at my face – is it bovvered? And maybe Matt Lucas as the shady-looking Robert Murat? Norman Wisdom as the Portuguese chief of police?”

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Op woensdag 2 januari 2008 14:42 schreef MouzurX het volgende:
waarom is maddy zo belangrijk eig?? jaarlijks raken en tientallen/honderden kinderen/volwassenen vermist alleen zij krijgt internationaal belangstelling..

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A judge in Portugal is to consider whether the suspects in the Madeleine McCann case should have access to the police files about her disappearance. Portuguese law has prevented Robert Murat, 33, and Madeleine's parents, Kate and Gerry, from seeing evidence.

But it is now eight months since Mr Murat was made a suspect - a period which ends the first phase of judicial secrecy, although this can be extended. Madeleine, four, was last seen in Praia da Luz in Portugal on 3 May last year.

Secrecy move

The eight-month deadline means the local prosecutor must inform his superior why he wants more time and how long he needs. The milestone could have brought an end to the restrictions of judicial secrecy surrounding the case. This would have allowed former property developer Mr Murat and the McCanns to see the files of evidence against them.

However, last week the Portuguese prosecutor applied to have the files kept secret, a request that the judge on Monday is likely to agree to. The McCanns' spokesman Clarence Mitchell said the couple were "extremely disappointed" at the move.

'Living in limbo'

Mr Murat's mother, Jenny, 71, has told the BBC she is angry about what has happened to her son, who was the first person in the case to be made an "arguido" - official suspect.

She said he had been living in "limbo" since he was made a suspect on 14 May last year. "It's almost been a nothing," she said of the period. "It's just in my mind 24 hours a day." An extension to Mr Murat's suspect status could be granted on the grounds that the case is one of "exceptional complexity". Madeleine's parents are also both arguidos in the case. Mrs Murat told the BBC that on the night Madeleine was last seen, she and her son had been together at her villa in Praia da Luz.

"I know he didn't leave the house that night," she said. She said she was frustrated at how long he had been a suspect - "and really quite angry that we have been involved in it". But she added: "My strength is that we have told the truth right from the beginning."

Cards boost

Mrs Murat said she and her son had received many cards from people offering their support. "It really makes you feel so good that people are thinking about you," she said.

"I know that it's given Robert a terrific boost." The BBC's Alison Roberts in Portugal said there was no obligation on police or public prosecutors to make any kind of announcement on Monday's developments. She said: "In no case is there any obligation on police or public prosecutors to make any kind of announcement on these developments, nor is it normal for them to do so. "If there is a change in the status of a suspect or suspects, that normally emerges through the lawyers."

Last Tuesday, it was reported that prosecutors had begun moves to re-interview people involved in the case. Among those that could be spoken to are Mr and Mrs McCann themselves and the friends they dined with in Praia da Luz on the night Madeleine was last seen.

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Detectives swooped on a pet crematorium in the Gran Canaria town of Telde after a worker there was arrested for attempting to abduct a child.

They were alerted after the terrified 10-year-old girl told her mother how she fought off the man as he attempted to drag her off the street into his van just days ago.

She later picked out former crematorium worker Marcos Cabrera, 37, at an identity parade as the man who had tried to lure her into his van with five euros.

Police were already investigating the disappearance of two other children from the holiday island – easily reachable by plane or ferry from Portugal where Madeleine vanished on May 3.

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Op maandag 14 januari 2008 11:56 schreef kahaarin het volgende:

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Goh, dat is vreemd, weer een pet crematorium, komt dat ons niet bekend voor?
>knip<

Goedemorgen all!

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Op maandag 14 januari 2008 14:20 schreef Suko het volgende:

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Goedemiddag all. Yep, 'onze' Eef Hoos was even wereldnieuws, de Daily Mail 15th September 2007: Madeleine: Police seal off incinerators Wie is Eef Hoos.

Anyway, zoals ik eerder postte, op een één of andere manier wordt er nu 'gewerkt' aan de dood van Madeleine. Niemand gelooft toch meer in het vinden een levende Madeleine. Metodo 3 is een lachertje gebleken en blijkt betaald door rijkaard Brian Kennedy, niet uit 't fonds. Maar het fonds begint op te drogen, het paar krijgt er van langs op Blogs, en fora, dat kunnnen we niet hebben. What the hack, wat dachten we van o.a. een boek, een docu, een film, gastoptredens én een Europese organisatie voor Missing Childeren olv Kate McCann. Er liggen miljoenen te wachten, celeb-status, maar dan moet een einde worden 'verzonnen.' anders no deals. En zo krijgen we de komende tijd allerlei mogelijk dood/moord-verhalen, mét eventuele dader (of groep), plotselinge getuigen, vermeldingen van eerdere soortgelijke gevallen, dat moet natuurlijk wel, anders zouden we de McCanns alsnog kunnen verdenken, etc etc etc. Maar dan komt er opeens een bewijsbare beschuldiging van op z'n minst neglect en mogelijk moord, met al of niet voorbedachte rade, maar dit is natuurlijk whisfull thinking mijnerzijds...
Reminder: Blood in the flat and in the car confirmed 7-1-2008 (Justice for Madeleine)

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HARRIS: Well, how do you explain the apparent break-through in the case? You mentioned a break-through a moment ago. Well, there has been a break-through in the case, according to the authorities. How do you explain the blood in the rental car? A car rented more than 20 days after Maddie was reported missing? How do you explain it?

CORNER: It defies explanation, quite frankly. I have no idea. It flies in the face of common sense. I could speculate all day about that, but . . . HARRIS: Well wait a minute, John. I mean this is DNA evidence. This is DNA found in a rental car that was rented by the couple 20 days -- I'm just asking you, how do you explain it?

CORNER: It makes -- I can't explain it. It makes no sense. It makes no sense.

HARRIS: Do you or do you not . . .

CORNER: I just know that . . .

HARRIS: Do you not trust what the authorities are saying to you? Have you talked to Gerry or Kate about the new evidence?

CORNER: No, I haven't. Not about new evidence. Only about the police line of questioning last night. And, quite frankly, it makes no sense to me and I can't speculate on it. You know, it just -- it makes no sense at all.

HARRIS: So the authorities come back, let me just try this on you. The authorities come back to Kate and to Gerry because the question lingers, who leaves a three-year-old to watch two-year-old twins. Who does that?

CORNER: Well, you have to understand the situation. I think the only thing that Kate and Gerry are guilty of is a little bit of complacency. It's a very, very sleepy town. Well, it certainly was before the media . . .

HARRIS: Complacency? How about neglect?

CORNER: There has been police force (ph) . . .

HARRIS: How about neglect? How about child endangerment?

CORNER: Well, I disagree with that. I disagree with that. And if you talk to the International Center for Missing and Exploited Children, they disagree with that, too.

HARRIS: So as a general practice, it's OK with you, in your mind and the way you think for a three-year-old to be left to care for two- year-old twins?

CORNER: I'm not sure that's productive at this stage to talk about that. I mean, I've been to (INAUDIBLE). I've looked at it very carefully myself. And it literally was like sitting in your garden. That's how far away the apartment was.

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HARRIS: How about neglect? How about child endangerment? CORNER: Well, I disagree with that. I disagree with that. And if you talk to the International Center for Missing and Exploited Children, they disagree with that, too.

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Op maandag 14 januari 2008 20:30 schreef voyeur het volgende:
Suko het artikel maakt duidelijk dat dit wel neglect is en maakt daarom ook die vergelijking. Wat de CPS van LCN DNA vindt is aardig om te weten, maar het gaat er toch hoe de Portugezen daar naar kijken?

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"This is what I have expected since the beginning. One cannot hold back the advancement of science. At the same time, care needs to be taken in the gathering of all forensic evidence, and safeguards should be in place to protect the rights of the defendant.

The LCN DNA analysis on the Omagh evidence, as I have posted before, was only run twice. It should have been run three times. And obviously, no one should lie about how evidence was collected, as multiple witnesses seem to have done at Omagh. That alone would be enough, in many cases, to send it to the rubbish bin.

Would anyone like to bet that, following the debacle in Omagh, the FSS will take whatever precautions are necessary to ensure that the results it found in the McCann case - whatever they are - will stand up in court?

I do not know why media sources persist in saying that LCN DNA is legal in only two countries, the Netherlands and New Zealand, when it has been used at trial and not reversed on appeal in AT LEAST The Netherlands, New Zealand, the UK, the USA, Australia, and Sweden.

I suspect what they mean is this: Only two countries have passed laws specifically codifying the legality of the use of LCN DNA.

A particular scientific method can come to be accepted into evidence in one of two ways: (1) The country's parliament passes a law making it legal; or (2) Some judge somewhere allows it admitted into evidence, and either it stands up on appeal or after several such cases the issue has not been appealed.

My guess is that New Zealand and the Netherlands must be the only two countries which have gone the pass-a-law route. That, however, is the less common of the two, and it has many pitfalls in that MPs may be trying to define and describe something they do not understand.

LCN DNA analysis has heretofore not been admitted in court in Portugal. That says nothing whatever about whether it will be admitted in this case. In the first instance, I think the McCanns' attorneys would have some problem arguing against something that has been admitted many times (FSS has performed LCN DNA analysis in approximately 21,000 cases) in their own country.

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I have this article which quotes Silvia Batista (The Technical Services Director of the Ocean Club resort) as offering, personally, child-minding services to the McCanns. They were rejected.

http://www.infobae.com/co(...)los-padres-Madeleine

"The search for a new personality in the desperate search of the small British four-year-old is complicating even more the McCanns' situation.

The Technical Services Director of the Ocean Club resort, Silvia Batista, affirmed that the same night on which Madeleine disappeared, she in person offered child-minding services "because the hotel is responsible for its clients' children, but they rejected that". Madeleine was seen for the last time on the 3rd of May when she was sleeping next to her siblings in a rented room in a hotel in Praia da Luz, in the south of Portugal. The parents of the little girl are being questioned for having left her alone in that room in order to go to eat with some friends.

According to the director of the hotel, "every month registries of robberies in the area are kept, and we therefore advise the service of a child-minder", but even knowing this, Maddie's parents did not accept it. Batista confirmed in an interview with the website Globo.com that the hotel has been working from the start with the Police to find the little girl. The director added that the room used by the McCann family was closed the first two months, then was opened for 15 days, but was then closed once again. Also, the director of the resort pointed out that in the area there are "many inquisitive people, but they do not disrupt the routine of the place.

"We did not bear the blame for the disappearance of the little girl, it couldn't be said whose fault it was, but certainly not ours", assured the director and indicated that "the parents of the girl that night were very unconcerned", and there was no reason they should not have requested the service of a child-minder.

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TV chiefs in Portugal are planning to make a 26-episode series about Madeleine McCann.It has been written by policeman turned criminologist Francisco Moita Flores, who blames Kate and Gerry McCann for their daughter’s disappearance.

Last night a friend of the McCanns said: “This is absolutely disgusting. “Not only are the people behind this cashing in on a poor little girl’s disappearance, but it also looks like they are planning to point the finger at her heartbroken parents. “Any TV channel who buys it will be paying blood money for it. “People should remember Madeleine is a real little girl and not some character from a soap opera. Her parents have real feelings.

“They will support anything that helps find her – but not downmarket shows aimed at titillating entertainment.”The series, based on the official investigation, will start filming in Portugal shortly. Producers are hoping it will be shown across Europe – raising the prospect of it being broadcast in Britain. Flores has been an outspoken critic of the McCanns and their seven holiday companions since Madeleine vanished from the Algarve resort of Praia da Luz last May, shortly before her fourth birthday.

He claimed on his Portuguese true-crime TV show that the couple or one of their friends sneaked away from a tapas bar to dispose of the child’s body after she was killed in her holiday apartment. >>> Daily Express

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Op dinsdag 15 januari 2008 11:18 schreef Suko het volgende:
Ik ben dat helemaal met je eens Voyeur maar het is eigenlijk nog taboe om dat te zeggen. Is misschien ook een andere discussie, kinderen leuk maar alleen als het de ouders (even) uitkomt, quality time weet je wel, zum kotzen really. Maar het Mark Warner Ressort had voor ego-ouders een uitstekende oppasservice met nanny's die overdag ook bekend waren met de kids. Maar de McCanns wilde 's avonds geen vreemde oppassen hebben, maar zowat de hele dag op de Kidsclub, no problem, I wonder why? Op het Mirror-forum:
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Ondertussen...MADELEINE: THE 26-PART TV SERIES
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Tja, er zal nog veel over de McCanns volgen, dat was te voorzien. Dat hebben ze eigenlijk een beetje zelf over zich heen afgeroepen.

Reminder: Blood in the flat and in the car confirmed 7-1-2008 (Justice for Madeleine)

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Op dinsdag 15 januari 2008 12:29 schreef voyeur het volgende:

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Wie weet was er geen Madeleine om op te passen de 3e mei. Vermoedelijk boden ze het zo nadrukkelijk aan omdat er geklaagd was over het huilen van Madeleine. De ouders hebben toen braaf beloofd dat het niet meer zou gebeuren en dat is gelukt. Madeleine huilt niet meer...

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Op dinsdag 15 januari 2008 12:29 schreef voyeur het volgende:

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Wie weet was er geen Madeleine om op te passen de 3e mei. Vermoedelijk boden ze het zo nadrukkelijk aan omdat er geklaagd was over het huilen van Madeleine. De ouders hebben toen braaf beloofd dat het niet meer zou gebeuren en dat is gelukt. Madeleine huilt niet meer...

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Op maandag 14 januari 2008 22:55 schreef voyeur het volgende:
Gezellig topic wel zo met vier mutsen waarvan een mannelijk
We zouden kunnen overwegen alle vier bij het mirror forum te registreren, maar dat zou jammer zijn want dan zouden we de twee lurkers niet meer voorzien van informatie.....
Het leeft niet echt in Nederland lijkt me een veilige conclusie.

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Op dinsdag 15 januari 2008 13:06 schreef kahaarin het volgende:

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Kopje thee?

Koekje erbij!

Gezien het aantal mensen dat hier toch stiekem een kijkje neemt (de views) zijn er wel een beetje meer lezers, we gaan wat mij betreft gewoon door tot ze boven water is, justice for Maddy!

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Op dinsdag 15 januari 2008 13:04 schreef Suko het volgende:

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Inderdaad Voyeur, er zijn geen betrouwbare getuigen die Madeleine die dag hebben gezien, zie mijn eerdere post. En het is en blijft vreemd dat er tussen de dag van aankomst in Praia da Luz op 28 april tot de laatste dag er geen vakantiefoto's zijn te bekennen. Alleen dus deze, eerder gepost. Op het Mirror-forum wordt gesuggereerd dat daarop mogelijk een abused-Madeleine is te zien en daarom niet vrijgegeven, voor ons niet te bewijzen natuurlijk. Een Blogger vraagt zichzelf af: Was Madeleine ever in Praia da Luz? Beetje onwaarschijnlijk maar dat is eigenlijk het hele McCann-gebeuren.

En er is weer een kind missing volgens de Daily Mail, in Huelva. En een verhaal (Metodo 3) over een pedo-gang, allemaal in Spanje. Zouden Spanjaarden hier blij mee zijn? Treurig genoeg (als het waar is temninste), maar naast de komende 'dood' verhalen wordt het publiek getracteerd op ontvoeringen in die regio waar dus Madeleine niets mee te maken heeft.

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Op dinsdag 15 januari 2008 13:07 schreef Suko het volgende:

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Spot on!

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Op dinsdag 15 januari 2008 13:04 schreef Suko het volgende:

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Inderdaad Voyeur, er zijn geen betrouwbare getuigen die Madeleine die dag hebben gezien, zie mijn eerdere post. En het is en blijft vreemd dat er tussen de dag van aankomst in Praia da Luz op 28 april tot de laatste dag er geen vakantiefoto's zijn te bekennen. Alleen dus deze, eerder gepost. Op het Mirror-forum wordt gesuggereerd dat daarop mogelijk een abused-Madeleine is te zien en daarom niet vrijgegeven, voor ons niet te bewijzen natuurlijk. Een Blogger vraagt zichzelf af: Was Madeleine ever in Praia da Luz? Beetje onwaarschijnlijk maar dat is eigenlijk het hele McCann-gebeuren.

En er is weer een kind missing volgens de Daily Mail, in Huelva. En een verhaal (Metodo 3) over een pedo-gang, allemaal in Spanje. Zouden Spanjaarden hier blij mee zijn? Treurig genoeg (als het waar is temninste), maar naast de komende 'dood' verhalen wordt het publiek getracteerd op ontvoeringen in die regio waar dus Madeleine niets mee te maken heeft.

@ Zo is 't Kahaarin.

The McCann Infantile Memory 7 min.48

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Op dinsdag 15 januari 2008 15:28 schreef voyeur het volgende:

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Er zijn toch een paar nannies die beweren dat ze er de 3e wel was. Kijk maar op deze (heel handige) info site.

Oh, en dit waren de mensen aan wie ze hun 'precious princess' toevertrouwden in het resort:
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Mij boeit het niet wat de nannies doen in hun vrije tijd, maar ik zou mijn kinderen sowieso niet toevertrouwen aan wat vakantiehulpjes die nagenoeg geen ervaring hebben. De foto is relevant omdat het laat zien dat dit echt geen ervaren nannies zijn, maar vrolijke jonge meiden met een geinig tijdelijk baantje in Portugal.

Nog even los van het feit dat vakantie extra vrije tijd is om leuk met je kinderen door te brengen. Op de 3e mei zouden ze de kinderen 's morgens gedumpt hebben voor 'a stroll' en 's middags opdat Gerry kon tennissen. Waarom niet leuk met de kinderen wandelen en Kate 's middags bij het zwembad spelen met de kinderen en kijken hoe goed papa al kan tennissen? En zo ging het elke dag!

Het mogelijk bizarre is dat ik de moord / verdoezeling van ongeval en lijk door de ouders minder erg vind dan de kinderverwaarlozing. Dit omdat andere ouders heus niet ook hun kind gaan verdoven en onder het reservewiel frutten als 'rottend vlees' opdat je de paus een hand mag geven; dat is voor de meeste mensen een hele grote stap te ver.

Wat wel gebeurd is dat de Tapas Nine een beeld in de media neerzetten dat het normaal is om je vakantie door te brengen zonder je kinderen, ze te verwaarlozen en grote risico's met ze te nemen. Kinderen die ziek zijn en overgeven even de lakens verschonen en weer terug naar de bar, kinderen die huilen gewoon laten huilen en de staf van het resort die klaagt wegwimpelen, etc.

Gerry voert keer op keer aan dat dit 'responsible parenting' is en de PR-machine beweert dat dit normaal is voor Britse gezinnen. Dit voorbeeld doet wel volgen en versterkt de trend tot egoïsme en kinderen als 'fotomomentjes'. Een trend die juist gekeerd moet worden en niet versterkt door een stel dat zijn celebrity status ontleent aan kinderverwaarlozing.

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The wanna-be actress/model 'nanny' Charlotte
Pennington is a proven bare-faced liar. NOTHING
she has said can be believed.!
What she said on the Despatches programme was
COMPLETELY different to what she said a few days
earlier (in quote marks) in her interview with the
Daily Mail (with a nice 'jaunty' picture of herself
alongside it!). In that interview she said she was
with Maddie until she gave her 'high tea' at 5.30 and
the parents came to pick the children up at 6.00!
In Despatches she said the last time she saw them
was lunchtime! So a LIAR out of her own mouth!

AND..she did not surface until AFTER the McCanns
where made arguidos, and the Meturdo Defective
agency has been employed to drum up witnesses.

She also said that when she heard people where
calling out 'Gabbie' or 'Abbie' she knew that ANOTHER
NANNY had a charge called 'Maddie' so she went to
inform the manager!! Why didn't she immediately think
of 'her own charge' called Maddie, who she had
supposedly spent the day with??

I would be suprised if this fantasist had ever
even laid eyes upon Maddie McCann. What
these air-head wannabe's will do for 5 minutes
of fame to raise their 'profiles'!!

So No, No credible sighting of Maddie for
the WHOLE of May 3rd.

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A spokesman of Eurojust confirmed to The Press Association that the Portuguese authorities have made a formal request to the agency for legal cooperation of the European Union to help with the procedure for the interview to the new group British officials were at the Ocean Club, with Gerry and Kate McCann, when Madeleine has disappeared.

A team of PJ is expected to soon travel to the United Kingdom, for interrogation by the police of Leicester. The role of Eurojust is to assist investigators and prosecutors in the European Union with information and assistance in cases of crimes involving more than one country. Bron

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Portuguese police has “no evidence about any connection between the case of Madeleine McCann and recent arrests of suspected child abusers at Canary Islands”, a source from PJ said. Several British newspapers reported that Spanish police was following leads that connected the arrests in Canary Islands to the disappearance of the child from Praia da Luz. Marcos Cabrera was arrested after an alleged attempt to kidnap a child, at Canary Islands. “The line of inquiry in Madeleine’s case remains the same and is focused in the group of British citizens that were with the child’s family. There is no indication that the person arrested in the Spanish Islands has been in Portugal”, according to the same source. Bron

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Op dinsdag 15 januari 2008 19:55 schreef Suko het volgende:

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Wat betreft die nanny's, eentje had wel papieren, Charlotte Pennington tevens actrice. Wat iemand op het Mirror-forum meldt vind ik wel interessant:

I would be suprised if this fantasist had ever
even laid eyes upon Maddie McCann. What
these air-head wannabe's will do for 5 minutes
of fame to raise their 'profiles'!!

So No, No credible sighting of Maddie for
the WHOLE of May 3rd.

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En verder: Eurojust confirms request to re-interview the Tapas group

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Op dinsdag 15 januari 2008 20:24 schreef kahaarin het volgende:

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Nou, dat zeggen wij ook al een poosje, een enkele foto en geen betrouwbare getuigen is imho in deze niet genoeg, of ze Maddy ooit heeft gezien wil ik best in het midden laten maar de 3e,
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Ik denk dat ze moeilijk kunnen weigeren, hun media spektakel kan in deze wel eens tegen hen gaan werken.
The plot thickens, my dear Watson Suko!

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A paragraph from a Spanish newspaper today, Madeleine is no longer at the bottom of a reservoir it seems: The private detective agency from Barcelona Method 3, contracted by Gerry and Kate McCann, are investigating thoroughly the Costa Blanca, from Valencia to Alicante. According to Francisco Marco, head of Method 3, Madeleine was selected by "spotters" in circles of paedophiles and then abducted "to order". She was later carried via Morocco to Spain or Belgium, a country with a sad record on child prostitution. Bron

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Op dinsdag 15 januari 2008 23:28 schreef voyeur het volgende:
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Iets te lage resolutie dus moeilijk leesbaar, maar google bied toplocaties voor één oudergezinnen met kinderopvang aan. Voorzien ze de dood van Kate of heeft Google een voorgevoel over Gerry?

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This morning’s British press has wasted no time in connecting the tragic disappearance of 5 year old Mari Luz Cortes apparently at the hands of a so-called Gypsy, with the equally tragic disappearance of Madeleine McCann. On the surface there maybe some justification for the link, as back in June 2007 there was a possible Madeleine sighting linked to "Gypsies".

But after doing the most cursory of Google searches I am surprised that the Mainstream Media has failed to draw attention to some of the bizarre coincidences surrounding this earlier sighting.

The June sighting with the so-called gipsy followed several days in which the MSM devoted its headlines to a devastating letter to a Dutch newspaper stating where Madeline was “buried,” which thankfully turned out to be a hoax. Following that hoax the McCanns were blessed almost immediately with this apparent live sighting of Madeleine which not only doubtless gave them hope but also probably helped get their overall “long-term campaign” back on track.

Here’s how the Sun reported its scoop on June 20 2007,“POLICE last night had a new lead in the search for missing Madeleine McCann, that gypsies may have snatched her. A holidaymaker revealed he spotted a fair-skinned little blonde girl in the back of a horse-drawn cart three weeks ago. Retired pilot Andre van Wyk, 66, told how a woman in the cart quickly covered the sleeping youngster’s face with a shawl. He was so suspicious he trailed the cart to a gipsy camp ten miles from where Maddie, four, vanished 48 days ago in Portugal’s Algarve. Last night Van Wyk told The Sun: “I followed it to what looked like a gipsy camp next to the old bridge at Portimao. “I saw an impeccably dressed blonde woman collect the blonde child from the older dark-skinned woman who had been carrying her. I assumed the blonde woman was the mother and that they were in some way innocently connected to the gipsy group.“But it’s been playing on my mind ever since. The little girl looked so out of place.”.

So who exactly is this Mr. Van Wyk? Presumably just an everyday member of the public with no connection to Team McCann or its financial backers. But maybe not. Of course, there may well be hundreds of 66 year old pilots called Andre van Wyk, but here’s a remarkable set of coincidences dished up by Google.

On August 7 2006, the Fife Herald reported the following:
“A TOP hot air balloon pilot who has flown all over the world and whisked many stars of stage and screen into the sky is now flying people from Fife. Andre van Wyk, of Virgin Balloon Flights, has been a balloon pilot for more than 30 years and has soared over 39 different countries, everywhere from Italy to Mexico.

Now the 64-year-old is flying passengers from VBF's launch site at Falkland Palace regularly throughout the summer…Although to Andre everyone he flies is a VIP, there are some he can't even believe he shared a basket with. They include actor Roger Moore alias James Bond and Julie Andrews of the Sound of Music fame, who he flew over the Swiss Alps, and famous golfer and fellow South African Gary Player. He also once took up German industrialist and well-known playboy Gunter Sachs who tipped his crew 40,000 Swiss Francs, nearly £20,000!

Andre said: "I flew Dolly Parton in Sun City in South Africa in the mid 1980s.
"She was great and, when we landed and unpacked everything for a champagne breakfast, she insisted on doing it all for us.”

So let’s think this through:
1 Andre van Wyk was until recently a balloon pilot with Virgin Balloon Flights.
2 Virgin Balloon Flights is owned by world-famous balloonist and billionaire Richard Branson.
3 On May 12 2007 , just six weeks before the sighting of Madeleine with the gypsy, Richard Branson had come forward to offer a 100000 pounds to the Maddie reward fund.
4 On Sept 16 Branson’s chipped in another 100000 pounds to help the new arguedos launch a parent’s defense fund after they were named arguedoes.
5 Of course, just because a Van Wyk worked for marathon balloonist Richard Branson does not automatically mean Branson knew his former employee or had any contact with him directly or otherwise in the period from May 3 2007 to June 21 2007. But surely someone with investigative resources at their disposal should at least be asking the questions.

And before the ink dries on the McCann "gypsy" story and its apparent connection to the latest tragedy in Spain it may be worth revisiting the report of Mr. Van Wyk’s "gypsy" sighting. And here-in lies the most astonishing coincidence. According to the Sun, Van Wyk had in fact not one, but two "gypsy" encounters within a few days.

In the same June 20 2007 article the Sun reports “Van Wyk, a South African, also described a bizarre encounter with a gipsy woman at Faro Airport as he checked in for a flight out of Portugal. She peered over his shoulder as he read a Sun article about Maddie and said in broken English: “They no find girl with picture.”She walked off after pointing at the photo of Madeleine and saying: “Hair cut short, hair black.”Van Wyk said: “It was very odd. I had no idea if she was trying to tell me something she knew or whether she was just giving me her opinion.”

How weird is that? Not one sighting but two of someone from exactly the same ethnic group. And how did The Sun get hold of its scoop relating to this bizarre brace of Gypsy connections…again in the same report the paper notes “His witness statement which he (Van Wyk) first sent to The Sun was immediately relayed by us to the McCann family via their Foreign Office adviser Clarence Mitchell.”

Yes, it’s that man Clarence again...but this time he’s not the one offering scoop, he’s the recipient of the information. And within 48 hours back in June, he presumably recycled the story of Maddie and the “gypsies” through the mainstream media. Just as suddenly as the story arrived it quickly disappeared...
…Until less than 10 days after the media reported that new tests proved conclusively that the blood in the McCann’s hire car was 100% matched to Madeleine, an abduction 120 miles away from the scene of Madeleine’s disappearance launched another round of media Gypsy-bashing.

Apparently when it comes to Britain’s First Family, the McCanns, and “Our Maddie,” political correctness towards the "Gypsies" goes out of the window, along with any pretence of investigative journalism by the Mainstream Media.

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"Her mother said the description matched the clothes her daughter was wearing when she vanished, and said she believed it could be Mari. There have been several sightings of Madeleine with an older woman in northern Morocco, and detectives from the Spanish detective agency Metodo 3 believe the Berber woman is a "carer", keeping the four-year-old alive in the Rif Mountains on the orders of a paedophile gang."

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The rogatory letters were redone repeatedly by the Judiciary Police, always in close liaison with the British authorities, but for more than a week that is expected green light from England for the interrogation of the McCann's friends.

The Judiciary also asked for the seizure of objects of Maddie's parents, including Kate's journal- but there is no answer.

Researchers are surprised with the attitude. Especially because the PJ and the public prosecutor have followed all legal channels to send the letters through the Attorney General's Office,.

All the interrogations to the eight friends of the couple are necessarily conducted by the local police, since they are held in British soil, despite the presence of Portuguese researchers. Those letters took months to prepare due to the complex translation of some terms and they were done carefully to avoid what after all is happening - the delay imposed by the British.

Regarding the seizure of Kate's diary, the Judiciary also waits for the British authorization, but this delay does not damage the investigation or the belief of the inspectors - in the process there are copies of what the author wrote, for example on the personality of her daughter Maddie. In this case, the original is needed only to help to back up the possible indictment of the public prosecutor - since copies cannot be used in court.

Initially, the PJ only wants to interrogate the friends of the couple. And then based on the answers they will get from all of them and any contradictions they may fall, they will advance to request the interrogation of the McCanns - though, again, they only can do that through rogatory letters and through the same process of liaison with the local police.

PJ DENIES CONNECTION TO MARI LUZ

She has five years old, only one more than Madeleine McCann , and, like the English girl,she has two brothers. In addition to these two facts, Mari Luz Cortez disappeared without trace, last Sunday,in the neighborhood of Torrejón, in Huelva. As Maddie,in Praia da Luz, May 3.

The PJ, however, denies any link between the two cases. "The Spanish authorities sent us - the description of the child and we are aware in case any clue appears in Portugal," said to the CM source of the Judiciary. "But so far, there is no connection between the two disappearances or exists the suspicion that the same person or persons might be at the origin of both situations," he assured.

Who wanted to clarify possible links were the detectives of the Spanish agency Metodo 3, hired by Kate and Gerry to investigate the disappearance of Madeleine. According to a source close to the McCanns, "they have already entered in contact with the parents of Mari Luz to investigate possible links." But not even Maddie's parents believe that whoever is behind the case of Huelva can have any relationship with the Praia da Luz.

Yesterday, at a press conference, Juan Jose Cortez, Mari Luz's father, said that the Spanish authorities "are working on a clue." But he did not reveal which,and he just said that he has "a suspicion" but "is not the same suspicion that the police has." Juan Cortez admitted that "at present there is no" concrete result.

The family has received numerous telephone calls from various points of Spain, Portugal and France. Countries "where many people are searching for Mari Luz," revealed the father of the Spanish girl. He thanked the commitment of all and asked that today, in solidarity, "at 12.00 hrs, all people across Spain come to the streets."

Mari Luz Cortez Suárez, of five years, disappeared on Sunday, at 16:30, after leaving home to go to a kiosk, 100 meters away,to buy a pack of crisps. After that she was seen in the street at the rear of the house, where she lives with her parents by two neighbours.She is around 1 meter high, when she disappeared she was wearing a pink jacket with stars, a skirt and white boots.

THE PROCESS WILL BE IN SECRECY FOR MORE NINE MORE MONTHS

The process of the disappearance of Maddie will never be public before 15th September this year, one year after the entry into force of the new Code of Criminal Procedure, discovered the CM. The decision was taken by order of the Judge Pedro Frias, on the 18th of September of 2007, considering that the maintenance of the secrecy of justice , for one year, was imposed by the rules that emerged from the changes in the law. The judge considered that the deadlines only started to run from the entry into force of the new code, a position that although is not new is far away of being peaceful. The judge's decision cannot be appealed.

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Op donderdag 17 januari 2008 10:15 schreef Suko het volgende:
Van het Mirror-forum:

Correio da Manhã - 17/1/2008

Researchers waiting for green light
British delay interrogations

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Regarding the seizure of Kate's diary, the Judiciary also waits for the British authorization, but this delay does not damage the investigation or the belief of the inspectors - in the process there are copies of what the author wrote, for example on the personality of her daughter Maddie. In this case, the original is needed only to help to back up the possible indictment of the public prosecutor - since copies cannot be used in court.

(Ik was gisteren op mijn neefje van 2 aan het passen, 's avonds had ik de puf niet meer om nog te kijken, hij is zo typisch 2, alles is eerst nee, de lieverd. )

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Op donderdag 17 januari 2008 11:22 schreef kahaarin het volgende:

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Goedemorgen, the saga continues zo te zien?

Ongelofelijk, waarom potentiele moordenaars beschermen?
Er is toch niets en niemand mee gediend om zo tegen te werken?
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Als er dan het idee bestaat dat er bewijs staat in het dagboek, zorg er dan iig voor dat het zo snel mogelijk over wordt gedragen.
Waarom dat halsstarrige beschermen van Britse onderdanen, die kunnen ook heus de fout in gaan.

_{(Ik was gisteren op mijn neefje van 2 aan het passen, 's avonds had ik de puf niet meer om nog te kijken, hij is zo typisch 2, alles is eerst nee, de lieverd. )}

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Op donderdag 17 januari 2008 11:47 schreef Suko het volgende:

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IMO wordt er door de UK alles aan gedaan het proces te frustreren, dat heb ik ik al tig keer gepost en nog steeds blijkt het waarheid, er staan te veel belangen op het spel. Ik hoop het nog mee te maken wie en wát er hier allemaal achter steekt...Een aardige verzameling nieuws op Anorak, ook die site heeft ernstigs bedenkingen van het een en ander rond Mari (Maddie 2). Ha ha, ja oppassen op kleintjes, niets is zo leuk als dat maar ook niets zo vermoeiend als dat, I know!

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Kate McCann has made an emotional phone call to the parents of missing Mari Luz Cortes to offer her support.
The mother of missing Madeleine, four, spoke to the distraught couple after her private detectives met them to probe links between the two cases.

Liverpool-born GP Kate, 39, told ex-professional footballer dad Juan Jose Cortes and his shellshocked wife Irene Suarez they were in her thoughts.

Mari Luz Cortes, five, disappeared as she went to buy crisps near her home in Huelva, south west Spain, around 5pm on Sunday.

Juan, 34, now a builder, said today: "Kate McCann has been in touch to transmit her condolences.

"She knows what we're going through and I understand them now too." A family friend added: "Knowing they have the support of Gerry and Kate has been comforting.

"They have been touched by the fact someone who is going through her own turmoil can find the strength to think of them in their moment of need." Kate's call came after husband Gerry, also 39, told of the couple's extreme concern on his blog.

The McCanns' Barcelona-based private detectives Metodo 3 have already spoken to Juan and his wife to see if the two cases may be connected.

Spanish police have said they are keeping an open mind on any connection and have sent Mari Luz's picture to Portuguese police amid fears she has been snatched by a child trafficking gang and taken across the border half an hour's drive away.

In an echo of the McCanns' concern about cross-border child smuggling and their belief Madeleine was abducted and taken to Africa via Spain, Mari Luz's dad said he feared his daughter may now be in Portugal.

He said: "The fastest escape route out of the police cordon is Portugal, which is why it can't be ruled out that she may be there."

Mari Luz's distraught grandmother, who shares the same name as the missing girl, pleaded: "Please give me back my granddaugther, she's the only one I have."

Like Madeleine's parents, Mari Luz's family are planning to set up an appeal fund to raise money for the search for their daughter.

Juan appealed for a local bank to help set up the fund so wellwishers could send in donations.

He said: "All I want is to make sure everything possible is being done to look for my daughter and all the money's that needed in the search is available."

(Ik heb me idd ziek gelachen, alleen op die leeftijd moet je ogen voor en achter hebben, wat ze niet bedenken allemaal, schitterend. )

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Op donderdag 17 januari 2008 12:23 schreef kahaarin het volgende:

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Het is idd duidelijk dat er aan touwtjes wordt getrokken, ook dat die personen niet objectief en onbevooroordeeld zijn.
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_article_id=508801&in_page_id=1811&ito=newsnow
En ja hoor, zum kotzen , wat een verschrikkelijke PR, over de rug van mensen die hun dochter kwijt zijn sympathie winnen, die mensen weten helemaal niet waar ze het moeten zoeken, en dan blootgesteld worden aan de McCanns, echt verschrikkelijk.
Het is in mijn ogen zo fout om het kindje zo in de media te brengen, dan wordt het de ontvoerders al gauw te bezwarend om haar in leven te houden, echt ze spelen met haar leven als ze naar de McCanns en consorten luisteren, die vinden dit alleen maar mooi omdat het de aandacht van hen af haalt.
Hopelijk gaat er iemand hen beschermen tegen die idioten.

_{(Ik heb me idd ziek gelachen, alleen op die leeftijd moet je ogen voor en achter hebben, wat ze niet bedenken allemaal, schitterend. )}

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Police are to rule out any link between the Madeleine McCann case and the abduction of a five-year-old Spanish girl. The move will bring fresh heartache for Gerry and Kate McCann. Portuguese detectives do not believe the missing Brit was snatched from her family’s holiday apartment. They are convinced the four-year-old died accidentally and her parents disposed of her body.

But police in Spain do think little Mari Luz was abducted on a 200-yard walk home in Huelva last Sunday. Yesterday Mari’s distraught mum Irene, 30, thanked Madeleine’s mother Kate for an e-mailed message of support and urged her: “Don’t give up – your daughter will be found.’’ Reports in Spain said detectives were close to making a breakthrough in the case and have not found any evidence of a link to Madeleine’s disappearance.

A source close to the McCann inquiry in Portugal said: “The police have kept a watching brief on the Mari Luz case because there was a chance that her abductor might have brought her to Portugal. “But detectives do not seriously think the two cases are linked. Their colleagues in Spain appear to be making considerable progress in that investigation.

“Police here will not formally rule out the possibility Madeleine was abducted – but they don’t think it happened.’’ Madeleine vanished from her family’s holiday apartment in the Algarve resort of Praia da Luz on May 3, two days before her fourth birthday.

Police have accused her parents Kate and Gerry, both 39, of launching a worldwide campaign to find their daughter in a bid to dodge a manslaughter charge. The investigation source said at least one Portuguese detective would shortly be flying to Britain to sit in on fresh questioning of the friends with whom the McCanns were dining that night.

The interviews will be conducted by British officers. Then detectives will consider bringing criminal charges, the source claimed. “There is a feeling among the judiciary in Portugal that the best place to sort all this out is a courtroom,’’ he added.

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A sketch of a suspected abductor of Madeleine McCann has been drawn after a newspaper spoke to a tourist who reported seeing a "creepy man" by the McCanns' apartment. The News of the World claims the detailed artist's impression was generated using information from the holidaymaker, who had been staying 600 yards from the McCanns in Praia da Luz.

The associate editor of the News of the world, Gary Thompson, told Sky News: "The real significance is that the sketch has been shown to Jane Tanner, a member of the so-called Tapas Group. "You may remember she says she saw a man carrying a child.

"We understand that Jane Tanner has confirmed the likeness." Mr Thompson said he believed the Portuguese police were taking the photo-fit very seriously. "The important questions are: who is he? Whereabouts is he? We will be urging readers with information to contact the authorities as a matter of urgency," he said. Mr Thompson added that the sketch had been passed to Interpol and officers from the Leicestershire Constabulary - the McCanns' local police force.

The holidaymaker who provided the details for the sketch rang police when she saw Madeleine was missing and gave a statement. But the paper says it is only now that the importance of her sighting is being realised. The McCanns have been made aware of the sketch.

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Op zaterdag 19 januari 2008 23:45 schreef Suko het volgende:
Updeetje... uit de Daily Star
MADDIE HOPES DASHED AGAIN
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Op de een of andere manier zie ik deze kop als een behoorlijk sarcastisch statement van de Daily Star.

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Het wordt echt 'erg' hoor, Sky News: Sketch Of 'Creepy Madeleine Suspect'
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(mmmmm, geldschieter Richard Branson heeft er ook wel wat van weg... mits hij te laat is met een blondering... )
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The Eggman maar dan weer anders...
"Jane Tanner to always claimed never to have seen the face of man, and in his statements to the police, she has changed on several occasions his version of events, particularly for the hair color, clothing and the direction being taken by the suspect. In May, the Judicial Police, Jane Tanner to alleged that the man was blond, aged 35 to 40 years old and dressed in cream trousers and a black jacket. Man would then typed British (1). Lately, the same suspect became clear Mediterranean, preferably Spanish or Portuguese, with black hair and pants with a darker color (2)." (bron )

Waarbij niet moet worden vergeten dat Jane Tanner eerst beweerde Bundleman op de terugweg naar de Tapasbar zag, wat ze later veranderde op de 'heenweg' naar haar apartement.

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Reminder: Blood in the flat and in the car confirmed 7-1-2008 The McCann Infantile Memory 7 min.48 (filmpje)

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He looks like George Harrison... that WOULD be creepy.

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"He speaks broken English". Could have to do with the fact that Praia Da Luz actually is in Portugal.

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You couldn't make it up.. could you?

Praia Da Luz must have been crawling with thousands of weirdo's last May.

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Another day! Another story! And of course the suspect has to be "creepy" looking. When will the spin end?

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Firstly, he looks like he could be a missing BeeGee brother and secondly anyone with a sleeping child would have used the over the shoulder method of carrying, not the hold shown above.

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Op zondag 20 januari 2008 13:54 schreef kahaarin het volgende:
Nog steeds dat gezeur over dat andere meisje en scetchy scetches dus, is er al iets bekend over nieuwe verhoren?
Ik geloof er niets van dat er nu al weer een nieuw beeld van de 'ontvoerder' op duikt, werk eens wat meer aan die DNA sporen in interviuwen van de verdachten en getuigen, daar ligt volgens mij de clou, niet bij 'ooggetuigen', 'sources' en media magnaten.

Toch triest dat ze Mari er bij slepen, nu wordt er gesuggereerd dat haar verdwijning er niets mee te maken heeft, ga dan in vredesnaam met een nieuwe onbevangen blik op zoek naar dat kindje, dit helpt natuurlijk niet, al die aandacht en foto's van haar in de pers kan net zo goed avarechts werken, lijkt me heel gevaarlijk.

Al dat gezeur en overal Maddy bij trekken kan niet goed zijn voor een onderzoek, monden dicht en aan het werk is wat mij betreft in beide, onafhankelijke, zaken het devies.

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Op zondag 20 januari 2008 13:54 schreef kahaarin het volgende:
Nog steeds dat gezeur over dat andere meisje en scetchy scetches dus, is er al iets bekend over nieuwe verhoren?
Ik geloof er niets van dat er nu al weer een nieuw beeld van de 'ontvoerder' op duikt, werk eens wat meer aan die DNA sporen in interviuwen van de verdachten en getuigen, daar ligt volgens mij de clou, niet bij 'ooggetuigen', 'sources' en media magnaten.

Toch triest dat ze Mari er bij slepen, nu wordt er gesuggereerd dat haar verdwijning er niets mee te maken heeft, ga dan in vredesnaam met een nieuwe onbevangen blik op zoek naar dat kindje, dit helpt natuurlijk niet, al die aandacht en foto's van haar in de pers kan net zo goed avarechts werken, lijkt me heel gevaarlijk.

Al dat gezeur en overal Maddy bij trekken kan niet goed zijn voor een onderzoek, monden dicht en aan het werk is wat mij betreft in beide, onafhankelijke, zaken het devies.

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Op zondag 20 januari 2008 21:33 schreef voyeur het volgende:
Terecht merkt Gazeta Digital op: Attention: if you saw this man, don’t call police! “If you have any information about the man in the new picture contact the confidential phone line 0034 902 300 213 based in Spain now. A specially-trained team will take your call in any language

Nou ik heb gelijk even gebeld, maar het leek alsof het specially trained team even afwezig was. Een spanjaard die slecht Engels sprak had geen idee waar ik het over had. Niet zo gek want ik sprak Nederlands (leek me 'any language') en hing toen op. Alweer een sighting mislukt:(
Op de Spaanse school van mijn dochtertje loopt een meisje rond dat sprekend op Madeleine lijkt dus een gemiste kans voor team McCann. Wie registreert er op het mirror forum en doet een oproep om in zoveel mogelijk talen absurde sightings te gaan doen?

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McCanns release suspect sketches iafrica.com 10:15


1 to 2 hours old

Man `linked' to Madeleine The Toronto Star 09:33

Sketchy Suspect In Maddie Mystery New York Post 09:26

Madeleine: Photofit calls probed ic NorthWales 08:36


4 to 6 hours old

Is this the man who abducted Madeleine? Two witnesses give similar descriptions Guardian Unlimited 06:04

One more suspect in lost British girl’s saga The Peninsula 05:19


6 to 8 hours old

London: McCanns release images of 'suspect' tourist The Courier-Mail, Queensland 03:48

McCanns release images of 'suspect' tourist The Daily Telegraph, Australia 03:45


Earlier Today

McCanns release \'suspect\' images Northern Territory News 02:34

1:03pm McCanns release 'suspect'... The Australian 02:21

London: McCanns release 'suspect' images The Mercury 02:11

McCanns release 'suspect' images The Australian 02:10

Maddie suspect image released Gulf Daily News 00:20

McCanns reveal sketch of suspect Guardian Unlimited 00:08

Sketch clue in hunt for little Maddie Hong Kong Standard 00:04


Yesterday

Madeleine's family releases suspect sketches USA Today 22:36 20-Jan-08

Image of Madeline suspect released RTE Online 20:38 20-Jan-08

Calls flood in to Madeleine hotline ic NorthWales 20:35 20-Jan-08

Is This the Man Who Abducted Maddie? ABCNEWS.com 19:04 20-Jan-08

Missing British girl's family release sketches of possible suspect WKRC 12 Cincinatti 19:00 20-Jan-08

New Suspect in Madeline McCann’s Case: Is This Madeleine’s Abducter? Product Reviews 18:41 20-Jan-08

Parents release images of 'suspect' in missing Madeleine case TurkishPress.com 17:12 20-Jan-08

Madeleine's parents release images of 'suspect' Yahoo News 16:39 20-Jan-08

McCann Suspect Sketches Released Irish Sun 15:30 20-Jan-08

Sketch Of 'Creepy Madeleine Suspect' Irish Sun 15:30 20-Jan-08

McCanns release 'suspect' images over missing daughter Yahoo News 13:45 20-Jan-08

Report: McCanns Release Sketch of Possible Kidnap... Fox News Channel 13:24 20-Jan-08

'Suspect' sketch sparks fresh appeal ic NorthWales 12:46 20-Jan-08

'Creepy' Madeleine suspect revealed ic NorthWales 02:18 20-Jan-08

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That's what people are asking about Northern Rock and Branson.

But what about the McCanns? Okay conspiracy theory here. This post does not reflect my opinion. It is only a "what if" scenario, I am considering.

GORDON BROWN INVOLVEMENT

Gordon Brown allegedly told the Portuguese Premiere that the McCanns were innocent, or at least he believed them to be so.

We all have heard how Brown personally intevened to have the Bundleman description released. Also of couse, one of his spin doctors is now providing spin for the McCanms.

Also it has been reported that if the McCanns were Portuguese and there wasn't all this political interference they would have been charged by now. Perhaps the McCanns would have already been arrested and charged if Brown had kept his nose out. Why are we still waiting for the next round of interviews?

Is this hold up from the top? So what's the deal? Is Gordon helping the McCanns just because he would help any other suspects in their position? I don't think so.

Is it a political game between Portugal and Britain? Or even a bargaining chip over Gibraltar negotiations. The McCann case could humiliate the Portuguese reputation for its police and its tourism. Is it a matter of personal friendships, his brother who knows people who are friends of the Mccanns? Or is there a specific reason why Brown wants to protect the McCanns? A secret we may never know about? Suppose yes to any in the above paragraph. How can the McCanns be helped out of this situation?

ACTION PLAN TO LET OFF THE MCCANNS

First delay next round of questions as this would elevate the McCanns as suspects in the public mind.

Suppose public opinion can be turned so that most people in Britain believe the McCanns are innocent, then Brown's people could get the charges dropped without an outcry. How can that be achieved? Bundleman is the key, just as Bundleman was very important to Gordon Brown's intervention before..

If Bundleman can be shown to be a real person who was also seen by other witnesses and perhaps even abducted another child (in Huelva) it would show clearly to most people that the McCanns must be innocent and there is no case therefore to make charges.

ACTION OVER PAST WEEK

All the elements have been put in place over the past week or so. Child abducted not too far from Praia da Luz.

Cooperman, the man seen by Gail Cooper is all over the front pages and TV News in a new media frenzy. Tanner confirms Cooperman and Bundleman are one and the same. Above information put out in a media blitz.

ACTION PLAN IN NEXT FEW WEEKS

Sightings of Cooperman will be reported in Huelva. This is the "proof" needed that Cooperman/Bundleman abducted Madeleine and also another child.

Therefore the British people must believe the McCanns are innocent. Flaws in Portuguese investigation now to be ripped open and exposed in the media in another frenzy.

Media to repeat that there is no case to be made against the McCanns. The British tell Portuguese they want to drop case against McCanns and the British police will not reinterview them. There is nothing Portuguese can do about it.

Arguido status dropped and McCanns told their will be no further action against them. The secret that the McCanns hold that may or may not include a government secret are never revealed.

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Op maandag 21 januari 2008 13:01 schreef Suko het volgende:
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Polls wijzen uit dat het Engels publiek allang niet meer geloofd wat de pers hierover schrijft. Ik geloof er niks van dat zoiets in Nederland zou kunnen, kien als een aantal journlisten hier zijn op onthullingen, het ontmaskeren van 'mooie' verhaaltjes is hier bijna een sport. Balkenende zou hier niks met een mogelijk invloed in een kwestie niks kunnen aanvangen, toch?

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Iemand schreef onderstaande op het Mirror-forum, interessant imo:
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Robert Murat was spotted chatting to a man who resembled the 'oddball' in the new sketch released by the McCanns and who is suspected of abducting Madeleine, it has been claimed today.


Charlotte Pennington, a nanny at the Ocean Club holiday complex where the McCanns were staying, told police last May she saw Murat chatting to "a man aged around 27 to 35, average height, very dark eyes and of Portuguese or Spanish appearance".

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Op maandag 21 januari 2008 13:40 schreef voyeur het volgende:

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Ik geloof ook niet dat dit in Nederland zou kunnen, maar onze pers zwijgt normaal ook in alle talen over alle sexuele en alchololische misstapjes van onze politici dus wie weet. Ik vind het van de Engelse pers ook onbegrijpelijk. De tabloids oke, maar serieuze kranten en de BBC doen er aan mee. Verbluffend.
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"At that stage - as Mills's draft script makes plain - his intention was to make an analytical, investigative programme that would have been very critical of the Portuguese police, not only for the errors in their investigation, but for their apparent campaign of disinformation designed to put pressure on Madeleine's parents, Kate and Gerry McCann. It would also have criticised both the local and British press over allegations that they recycled unfounded rumours with little sign of fact-checking or detachment."

It would, as Mills confirmed again yesterday, have scrutinised the various allegations that have been floated against the McCanns and concluded they are baseless: 'We had an investigative team looking into the story for weeks. Our assessment was that the purported DNA evidence was weak and inconclusive, while so far as we could tell the supposedly significant "discrepancies" between the stories told by the McCanns' friends about the night of Madeleine's disappearance amount to very little indeed.'

The original film would have compared Madeleine to the JonBenet Ramsey case in Colorado, about which Mills has made three previous documentaries. After the body of JonBenet, a child beauty pageant winner aged six, was found in her parents' Boulder home, they were vilified by the police and media, despite their continued insistence that they had nothing to do with her death. They claimed she had been killed by an intruder. Mills's version of the McCann Panorama featured an interview - eventually not used - with JonBenet's father, John, in which he said that the Colorado police 'did a great job of convincing the media and the world that we were guilty, but they couldn't charge us, because of course they had no case'. Years later DNA evidence proved beyond doubt that JonBenet had been killed by an intruder. John Ramsey told Panorama: 'It's a life-time damage. No question about it.'

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Op maandag 21 januari 2008 14:20 schreef milagro het volgende:
quote:Robert Murat was spotted chatting to a man who resembled the 'oddball' in the new sketch released by the McCanns and who is suspected of abducting Madeleine, it has been claimed today.


Charlotte Pennington, a nanny at the Ocean Club holiday complex where the McCanns were staying, told police last May she saw Murat chatting to "a man aged around 27 to 35, average height, very dark eyes and of Portuguese or Spanish appearance".

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Op maandag 21 januari 2008 14:38 schreef milagro het volgende:
Okay herstel : Russel O'Brien is gezien met de bundleman, die weer sprekend lijkt op de reeds sinds enige tijd overleden George Harrison...... doen ze in Portugal eigenlijk aan voodoo, een soort fado voodoo of zo, kan dat er niet nog in verwerkt worden, een mogelijke rituele moord, een offer dat gemaakt moest worden?

hebben we dat ook weer gehad.

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Op maandag 21 januari 2008 15:39 schreef milagro het volgende:
zoals die bundleman dat kind ook weggedragen zou hebben.... alsof dat niet de aandacht trekt..
het is al gezegd ergens, is het niet makkelijker, en ook 'vertrouwder ogend" als je het kind gewoon op de arm draagt, hoofdje rustend op je schouder?

ik bedoel zo tilde ik mijn in slaap gevallen kids uit de auto naar binnen thuis... zo op de armen liggend, doe je alleen als ze gestrekt op de bank in slaap gevallen zijn om ze zo in bed te leggen, zodra je een trap op moet, is dat al onhandig en neem je ze weer makkelijker op de arm.

iemand op straat zo lopen met een kind, dan lijkt het net alsof het dood is

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"Clarence Mitchell, Kate and Gerry McCann's official spokesman, said that when shown the sketches, Tanner was struck by the likeness to the man she had seen carrying the child she now believes was Madeleine. However, in a BBC Panorama interview in November Tanner said she could not remember, or did not see, the face of the man she saw carrying the child."

En verder: "In the Panorama interview, Tanner said she lived with the burden of knowing that in all probability she could never identify the man she glimpsed only briefly that night. "He had his face turned away from me, sort of sideways and it was very dark. I just didn't see it properly I wish to God I had," she said. She told the programme she thought the man was "local or Mediterranean looking rather than British". She said: "He was dressed in that sort of smart casual way that European people dress, not the way Brits on holiday dress."

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MADDYWATCH - Anorak’s at-a-glance guide to press coverage of Madeleine McCann

DAILY MAIL: “Madeleine: Four witnesses say they saw suspect pictured in new poster campaign”
“Four key witnesses in the Madeleine McCann investigation could have seen the man shown in a new sketch of a potential suspect, it emerged yesterday”

But there were no witnesses? And “could” and “potential” in one line…

“But four witnesses may have seen the unidentified man - first on the night the three-year-old went missing, then later with named suspect Robert Murat, and finally in Morocco”

“Jane Tanner, who told police she saw a man carrying a child away from the McCanns’ apartment, said she was “80 per cent sure” he was the one depicted in the artist’s impression”

“Isabel Gonzalez, who said she saw Madeleine with a Berber woman in Morocco, said the sketch looked ‘very similar’ to a man she saw immediately after the sighting”

Amanda Mills, 34, from Basildon, Essex, claimed to have spotted a man trying to break into a bedroom window at the Ocean Club in Praia da Luz a week before Madeleine disappeared from the complex. “Last night she said there are “strong similarities” between the man she saw and the new sketch.

“Nanny Charlotte Pennington’s description of a person she saw with Mr Murat also matches the man shown in the artist’s impression”

DAILY EXPRESS: “New manhunt ‘another diversion by McCanns’”

One Portuguese policeman “stormed”: “The purpose of this exercise by the McCanns is the same as always. It’s another diversionary tactic”

DAILY STAR: “YOU WON’T THROW US OFF THE SCENT”
“Cops blast Maddie sketch as McCann tactic”

DAILY MIRROR: “Madeleine witnesses: This is him”

Witnesses says the sketch cold be a picture of the man they saw. Or it could not be

DEFAMER: Or does the new sketch of the man suspected of snatching young Madeleine McCann look a lot like Killer Bob?

NEW YORK POST: “SKETCHY SUSPECT IN MADDIE MYSTERY”

A picture of the man and he caption: “WANTED – SOUGHT IN KID SWIPE”

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The parents of missing Spanish youngster Mari Luz Cortes want to hire Kate and Gerry McCann's private detectives. The five-year-old's family plan to hire Metodo 3 if police fail to come up with clues to her whereabouts by the start of next week. Mari Luz's distraught ex-footballer dad Juan Jose Cortes last night said: "Today I've felt more anger than ever. "Enough's enough. We don't want compassion, we want results."

The missing girl's uncle Diego Cortes added: "If the police have got nothing new by next Tuesday, we'll hire the private detectives." Mari Luz vanished nine days ago as she went to buy sweets from a kiosk near her home in Huelva near Spain's southern border with Portugal.

The city is just a 90 minute drive from the resort of Praia da Luz where Madeleine, four, disappeared in May. Detectives from Barcelona-based Metodo 3 contacted Mari Luz's mum Irene hours after the mystery disappearance to examine possible links between the two cases - and pass on a message of support from Kate McCann.

The McCanns have offered to put pictures of Mari Luz's face alongside Madeleine's on posters in Spain, Portugal and north Africa. Police have said they do not think there is any connection between the two - but Spanish detectives hunting the five-year-old have yet to come up with any firm leads.

They questioned a local man who disappeared shortly after Mari Luz went missing and - but released him without charge after searching his home and finding nothing. Metodo 3 has worked for the McCanns since last September on a £50,000-a-month contract - the equivalent of £2,000 per working day.

Controversial boss Francisco Marco - rapped over a series of claims he knows who took Madeleine and is pretty sure where she is - has pledged to find her before March. It is not known if the McCanns know of Mari Luz's parents' plans to hire their detective agency.

Metodo 3 is not thought to have agreed to work exclusively for the McCanns. But any acceptance of other contracts is bound to raise questions about its ability to discover the Brit youngster when it is costing the Find Madeleine Fund hundreds of thousands of pounds.

Mari Luz's parents have not revealed how they plan to pay for Metodo 3's services. But they are thought to be searching for a wealthy donor to back their idea. An appeal fund set up shortly after their daughter went missing has just £300 in it. Daily Mail

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Op dinsdag 22 januari 2008 11:34 schreef milagro het volgende:
dat kind zit ms gewoon bij tio en tia Petalo
eerst een geldschieter regelen, dan Metodo 3 afketsen, dan met de noorderzon vertrekken en als het op de route ligt, pik je je vermiste kind nog effe snel op bij tio en tia

ja, ik ben slecht, sue me

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Sketch: Dozens of witnesses claim they saw him (Correio de Manha)
The suspect is everywhere

Dozens of phone calls were received by detectives who are working for the McCanns, following the disclosure of the photo-fit of a possible suspect. "We received many calls that are not important," admitted to the CM Clarence Mitchell, spokesman of the family, "but at the same time we also received dozens of phone calls with important information," he added.

Clarence Mitchell does not specify from where the calls are made, if they are from British who were in Praia da Luz or residents in the area, but ensures that "many people saw the man on the spot." Nonetheless yesterday in Luz, nobody remembered the individual, McCann's spokesman ensured to the press that there is a girl of 12 years old who remembers the man. Clarence Mitchell, however, did not want to tell who is that mysterious witness.

The detectives of the Spanish agency Metodo 3 that are working for the McCanns are now examining all clues received by telephone. "We can not say that we will find the man but we are trying," said to the CM Clarence Mitchell. "Nor do we say that he is suspect of kidnapping but we want to know if he has anything to do with the disappearance," he added.

The photo-fit is seen as "one of the most important clues that the detectives of Metodo 3 are working on," concluded the spokesman of Kate and Gerry.

"Meanwhile,the PJ is still awaiting the response of the British authorities concerning the rogatory letters sent to England, asking for new interrogations to the group that spent holidays in Praia da Luz "Till now there is no novelty," confirmed to the CM source linked to the research.

About this issue, Clarence Mitchell assured that "officially there is no information that PJ wants to interrogate Kate or Gerry." Nevertheless, "they are willing to cooperate with the authorities in order to speed the investigation," the spokesman continued, "they want to show to the Portuguese police they have nothing to do with the disappearance of their daughter."

Clarence Mitchell admitted knowing that there is a request from the Judiciary in Eurojust (the European agency which is the connection between the departments of Justice of the European Union countries), "but I do not know whether they want to question Kate and Gerry, the group of nine friends or just some of them."

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Nobody in Praia da Luz saw the alleged kidnapper of Madeleine (24horasnewspaper)
"I would never forget a face like this"

Many questions the fact that the image only appeared now. There are some that say he looks like Charles Bronson the actor

The inhabitants of Praia da Luz, Algarve, guaranteed that they never saw the man represented in the photo-fit divulged by the McCann's family as being the alleged kidnapper of Madeleine. Almost all of the persons interviewed yesterday by 24 Horas said that if they had seen him they would remember. " I would never forget a face like this", was the most repeated sentence.

Carla, 32 years old and client of the video club Eureka had already seen the photo in the newspapers. "It is strange it only appears now. So many months after people don't remember half of the faces that passed through here at the time. Nonetheless, I think that if I have seen him I would never forget", she said to 24 Horas. And she added that the photo reminded her of someone: " When I saw that photo in the newspapers it seemed to me like Charles Bronson".

Edward Price, Tuc Price's brother, friend of Robert Murat refused to be photographed seeing the image of the alleged kidnapper but he gave his opinion: "He does not seem alike with anyone I know or I have seen in the area. But 8 months after what are they expecting by showing this image. There are many questions that were not made. How, why only now? "

Kneen, British citizen, 56 years old, living in Praia da Luz for three years goes further and gives some suggestions to the authorities. "Please! If I was the kidnapper I would never walk in the street like this. I think that they should try to make different images from this one and put them side by side", he said suggesting that they should make another image without the moustache or even with shorter hair. "Does anyone believe that the man was walking in the streets like that waiting to be caught?". Haynes Hubbard, the Anglican priest friend of the McCanns did not recognize the photo: "I only arrived here two months after the disappearance of Madeleine, but after that I never came across with nobody like this man. I wish I did! I could help Gerry and Kate".

We also spoke with some employees of the Ocean Club, the resort from where Madeleine disappeared. None recognised the man. We heard the same answer in the Baptista's supermarket, the Tapas Bar and in the coffee shops near the beach where the British went during their holidays in Algarve.

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"Sadly, due to persistent and serious abuses, we will no longer be hosting discussions regarding Madeleine McCann on this website. We do not take this action lightly, believing this website should be a place for free and frank discussion across the broadest possible range of subjects. But the level of debate on the Maddy forums has gone way beyond what we consider acceptable, with several recent incidents of extremely abusive postings, both against fellow users and the McCanns. We will not tolerate this kind of behaviour from a small handful of malign voices and have taken the unprecedented decision to block all further discussion on theMcCanns. We remind all users of our guidelines for mirror.co.uk, which can be found here: http://www.mirror.co.uk/forums Any further abuse of the spirit of this decision will result in users being immediately banned from our website. Mirror.co.uk is a family website. We want to encourage debate, even argument, across our forums. We are confident this decision will be understood and welcomed by the vast majority of our right-minded users."

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Revolutionary DNA technology which could catch thousands more criminals every year is finally set to be cleared for use by police. DNAboost - which allows scientists to unravel mixed and previously unusable genetic samples - was hailed for its crime-fighting potential by former Prime Minister Tony Blair in 2006.

Experts believe the powerful software will identify up to 6,000 extra suspects annually, and could also help in cases such as that of missing Madeleine McCann - where forensic evidence appears to have been difficult to analyse. However, despite impressive results from pilot schemes in Yorkshire, Humberside and Northumbria, police have been banned from using the tool for more than 12 months.

The long delay led detectives and scientists to complain that the technology was falling victim to a "turf war" over the National DNA Database. The Forensic Science Service (FSS) - which developed DNAboost - was stripped of control over the bank of 3.5 million samples in December 2005, when it was made an independent Government-backed company.

A Home Office strategy board including representatives from the Association of Chief Police Officers (Acpo) and the Association of Police Authorities (Apa) now decides how the database can be used. A spokeswoman for the department confirmed that the strategy board had delivered its recommendation, and the matter had been passed to the Attorney General for final sign-off.

A source close to the project said DNAboost was the "most validated DNA technology in history".

They said: "This is the biggest step forward in crime-fighting science for more than a decade, and it has taken far too long to get clearance. It looks like it's finally getting authorised, but we could have caught thousands of criminals while they have gone through these hoops.

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Last night, sources in the Policia Judiciaria revealed reports of a dishevelled man lurking around Praia da Luz were investigated months ago and found to be groundless. One stormed: "The purpose of this latest exercise by the McCanns is the same as always. It"s another diversionary tactic."

It was reported the only other official suspect, Robert Murat, was seen chatting to a man resembling the sketch. Former PJ inspector and now criminologist Francisco Moita Flores said the timing of the McCanns releasing the image was curious, coming only days before the McCanns" dining companions are due to face further questioning. He said: "This is maybe the most critical moment in the investigation. They know there is evidence that the girl died and we are on the eve of interrogating witnesses who may undo all the theories." suspect last May.

Nanny Charlotte Pennington, 20, told the police she saw Murat, 34, talking to "a man 27 to 35, average height, very dark eyes, Portuguese or Spanish appearance". After Madeleine was snatched on May 3, the McCanns" dining companion Jane Tanner, 36, said she had seen a man walking away from the Ocean Club carrying a child. Yesterday, despite never seeing his face, Ms Tanner, from Exeter, said she was "80 per cent certain" it was the man in the drawing.

Last night, Amanda Mills, 34, from Basildon, Essex, claimed she saw a man resembling the sketch suspect trying to break into a ground-floor apartment in the Ocean Club, similar to the one the McCanns occupied, a week later. Last night the McCanns" spokesman Clarence Mitchell said the McCanns" sleuth agency"s "50,000-a-week contract is up next month but could be extended if the mystery man was still at large.

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Op woensdag 23 januari 2008 22:42 schreef Suko het volgende:
Nog even een snipper uit de Daily Express: MADELEINE: MANHUNT IS 'DIVERSION'
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Reminder: Blood in the flat and in the car confirmed 7-1-2008 The McCann Infantile Memory 7 min.48 (filmpje)

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A BRITISH gran who saw the Madeleine McCann kidnap suspect has flown to Portugal to help in the hunt for the toddler.

Gail Cooper, 50, has returned to the resort in Praia da Luz where she spotted the long-haired man lurking days before Madeleine vanished.

She'll meet private detective agency Metodo 3 and retrace the suspect's movements.

Gail has already helped parents Gerry and Kate McCann by providing a description of the man for a photofit.

Yesterday, Gail said: "I came forward because I want to help. There can't be anyone in the world who doesn't feel what Kate and Gerry are going through."

Gail, from Nottinghamshire, added: "I don't know if this man is the kidnapper but he needs to be found."

Last night, the McCann family spokesman Clarence Mitchell said: "Metodo 3 investigators are still working closely with Mrs Cooper. Her information is very important in the hunt for Madeleine."

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Op maandag 21 januari 2008 12:01 schreef milagro het volgende:
ik moet ook zo lachen om al die getuigen die allemaal beweren dat ze hun relaas toch echt al maaaaaanden geleden aan de politie verteld hebben, maar die er niets mee gedaan heeft... om zo dus recht te liegen waarom ze nu pas komen met hun verslag over alweeeeeeeer een creepy guy of alweeeeeeer een possible Maddie sighting... die tot nu toe allemaal niets bleken te zijn.
En ondertuasen staat oma op de voorpagina met naam en toenaam "de dag dat ik een creepy guy zag...."

en dan nog in de reacties mensen die verontwaardigd reageren "waarom deed de politie destijds niets met hun verhaal???" .. ja omdat het nooit verteld is toen, of zo volkomen lariekoze nonsens dat het 't ene oor niet eens in ging.

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het wordt tijd dat er weer eens een familie in Marokko beschuldigd wordt van ontvoering..... van hun eigen dochter

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The man in the new image released by Kate and Gerry McCann as a possible suspect in Madeleine's disappearance has been found and ruled out of the case. The man was discovered living in the Algarve but police say he is not connected to the case. The discovery rules out reports that there was also an accomplice involved.

The man was originally contacted by Portugal's criminal investigation department 20 days after Madeleine vanished aged three. After the image was released this week, they got in touch with him again. The sketch was based on evidence from a British tourist who described a “creepy man” in Praia da Luz, the resort where Madeleine disappeared.

Gail Cooper, 50, a healthcare worker from Newark, Nottinghamshire, first saw him on 20 April last year, walking in heavy rain on the beach. Later that day he turned up at her villa claiming he was raising money for a local orphanage in Espiche. Two days later, the man, described as Tunisian or Moroccan, was seen hanging around a children's beach outing.

Just over a week later, on 3 May, Madeleine disappeared from her bed. Mrs Cooper contacted British police a few days later and the information was passed on to Portuguese police. Last week she got in touch with Metodo 3, the McCanns' private detective agency, who released the sketch.

Portuguese newspaper Correio da Manha said the man was found in the village of Barão de São João, 10 miles inland from Praia da Luz. This week Portuguese police accused the McCanns — official suspects in their daughter's disappearance — of distracting attention away from them, with one source calling it “another diversionary manoeuvre”. Daily Mail

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Op donderdag 24 januari 2008 12:03 schreef moussie het volgende:

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onzin .. het stond in mei al in de krant dat er iemand gezien was bij dat appartement .. al googelend moeilijk te vinden nu met al dat recente nieuws, link moet wel ergens staan in de oudere topics .. daar is ook niets mee gedaan, net zomin als met de melding van die Brit die de ochtend van 4 mei iets vreemds zag en dat bij de politie heeft gemeld ..
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Ach, altijd nog beter dan onterecht beschuldigt worden van moord op en/of het laten verdwijnen van hun eigen dochter

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Op donderdag 24 januari 2008 12:27 schreef voyeur het volgende:
De portugese politie is dus best efficient in het opsporen van vermiste mensen als ze zo snel die vent kunen vinden. Daar zal Team McCann niet blij mee zijn. Een wereldwijde manhunt naar 'enge mannen' was goed geweest voor de publiciteit en het fonds. Dat Metodo3 voor die 50.000E per maand die vent niet zelf even gevonden heeft....

Andere fora waar het voormalig mirrorvolk te vinden zijn:
hier
en hier

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Op donderdag 24 januari 2008 12:14 schreef Suko het volgende:
Hoi Kahaarin, in eerste instantie dacht ik dat sluiten van dat topic op het Mirror-forum was vanwege het te dicht bij de waarheid komen dé reden was, naast de belangen van adverteerders in de pers (Virgin o.a.) die de McCanns steunen. Dat zou deels zo kunnen zijn maar er is mogelijk nog een andere reden...Er zaten posters op dat forum die vermoedelijk uit het McCann-kamp kwamen. Het was opvallend dat de laatste tijd er zoveel feitjes naar buiten kwamen die weer heftige reacties opriepen. En wel zo heftig dat het een eventuele rechtszaak tegen de McCanns schade zou kunnen berokkenen, en het daarom niet eens vóór de rechter zou kunnen komen. En dát is ook natuurlijk een tactiek uit de koker van Clarence Mitchell. Ik heb er ondertussen zoveel over gelezen dat ik er daadwerkelijk echt misselijk van wordt. Posters die niet zijn die je denkt dát ze zijn. Inmengingen van mensen die er belang bij hebben dat het publiek verward raakt en vaak afhaken. Allemaal tactieken die je kunt teruglezen (maar daar moet je zin in hebben) in dit stuk: Editorial Intelligence Het is daarom mede niet ondenkbaar dat het Maddy-topic op Mirror-forum daarom is gesloten, men wist zelf waarschijnlijk niet eens meer wat te doen tegen zoveel verwarring, het modereren werd te lastig, dus dan maar dicht.

En verder melden zowat alle kranten dat men toch wel inziet dat men Robert Murat verward heeft met een ander.
The Mirror: Madeleine: Robert Murat has a double

Oja, de man van de sketch is niet dé man die ze zoeken: Madeleine: Police track down suspect from sketch after international manhunt
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Hoi Moussie, long time no read!

Reminder: Blood in the flat and in the car confirmed 7-1-2008 The McCann Infantile Memory 7 min.48 (filmpje)

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Op donderdag 24 januari 2008 12:27 schreef voyeur het volgende:
De portugese politie is dus best efficient in het opsporen van vermiste mensen als ze zo snel die vent kunen vinden. Daar zal Team McCann niet blij mee zijn. Een wereldwijde manhunt naar 'enge mannen' was goed geweest voor de publiciteit en het fonds. Dat Metodo3 voor die 50.000E per maand die vent niet zelf even gevonden heeft....
Andere fora waar het voormalig mirrorvolk te vinden zijn:
hier
en hier

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Op donderdag 24 januari 2008 12:48 schreef Suko het volgende:

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Ja, had ik eerder ook genoemd, ben inmiddels ook daar een lurker. Iemand had het vermoeden dat de PJ al in de UK is maar de pers houdt dat nog even stil...we wachten het maar af.

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Op donderdag 24 januari 2008 12:52 schreef kahaarin het volgende:

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Hoi Suko, hoe bedoel je schade berokkenen aan een rechtzaak? Zou het echt zo zijn dat gestechel op een forum de rechtsgang zou kunnen beinvloeden?
Ik heb niet alles gelezen op dat forum maar als er idd daadwerkelijk daderinfo oid werd getoond dan is het toch juist goed dat dat daar naar boven komt drijven? Dan kan men er wat mee doen, ik denk dat het gewoon als lastig werd beschouwd door de mediamachine van de McCanns dat men niet met hen meepraatte, dus dat het toch om het straatje schoon houden gaat.
Het zijn tenslotte slechts insinuaties, ziele-roerselen en verdenkingen van leken, ook al zouden er mensen uit het kamp McCann tussen zitten die kwaadwillend met feitjes gaan lopen strooien die enigzins belemmerend werken voor de rechtsgang dan zou dat in een rechtzaak er wel uitgefilterd kunnen worden, wie anders dan de McCanns en consorten zelf zijn hiervan op de hoogte?
Wat mij betreft graven ze daarmee hun eigen graf, alles wat ze zeggen kan tegen hen worden gebruikt, ook hetgeen ze aan derden vertellen die er dan weer een heisa van maken op fora, mijns inziens snijdt dat mes naar 2 kanten, het kan ook zijn dat het forum is dichtgegooid na protest van CM en cornuiten omdat het te gevaarlijk werd voor Kate en Gerry.

Wat goed dat die man gevonden is, toch niet Kate dus.
De PI's kunnen dus toch de deur uit, die hadden die man voor 50.000 in de week idd wel mogen opsporen.

Payne was dus die man die die zusters hebben gezien, niet Murat, dat zou ook verklaren waarom hij niets met hen ging drinken, die moest zijn eigen duistere zaakjes met de tapas 7 doorspreken.

>knip<

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Op donderdag 24 januari 2008 13:14 schreef Suko het volgende:

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Nee, het is niet Payne maar: Angus Symington Maar pas op, het kan zo zijn dat ze de aandacht op David Payne op deze manier willen afleiden, if so, good one Clarence Mitchell! Wat die rechtszaak betreft, ik bedoel meer dat er zoveel over is geschreven dat de McCanns al bij voorbaat schuldig worden bevonden en dat bemoeilijkt de rechtsgang, in de UK werken ze nog met een jury meen ik. Dus zelf het publiek verwarren, gooien met eventuele feitjes en slur/smear, kan een voordeel zijn voor de McCanns.

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Op donderdag 24 januari 2008 13:29 schreef kahaarin het volgende:

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Nou ja, zelfde verschil, een van de tapas vrienden, het zou trouwens een mooie boel worden als iedereen die het kan betalen een media campagne kan lanceren en eventueel wat nare reacties forceert zodat er geen onpartijdige jury gevonden kan worden.
Hopelijk prikt men daar wel doorheen.

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Op donderdag 24 januari 2008 13:56 schreef Suko het volgende:

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Ik help het je hopen, maar er zit veel geld en macht óm de McCanns, en de hamvraag is natuurlijk, waarom wordt er zoveel moeite gedaan om de waarheid niet te vinden....het kan toch niet zo zijn dat alles in het werk wordt gesteld om een consulting cardioloog en een parttime huisarts en hun vrienden vanwege hun beroep massaal en op hoog niveau zo te beschermen, hier is echt meer aan de hand...dat is voor mij en vele anderen nu wel duidelijk. Als ze niets te verbergen hebben dan beantwoorden ze een aantal vragen die al maaaaaaaaaaaaanden op ze liggen te wachten, zo simpel is 't.

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Officers hunting for missing Madeleine McCann believe they have tracked down a straggly-haired man depicted in an artist's drawing as a possible suspect - and ruled him out of the inquiry.
However the McCanns today claimed the pig farmer is NOT the man detectives are looking for and vowed the hunt would go on.

The man, who was today named as Joaquim Jose Marques, was discovered living five miles from the holiday resort in the Algarve but police say he is not connected to the case.

The discovery rules out reports that there was also an accomplice involved.

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Op donderdag 24 januari 2008 17:26 schreef kahaarin het volgende:

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Precies, gaat nergens over, oh en trouwens, volgens de McCanns is de man die gevonden is niet de creepy man die ze zochten.......
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Natuurlijk, als bewijs niet in je straatje past dan ontken je het gewoon.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=510082&in_page_id=1770

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Hello everyone. Just thought you would like to know there was just a program on Portuguese tv with Paulo Reis (the journalist most of you have already heard about), Cristovão Pereira, former PJ detective and currently the President of the Portuguese National PJ Association, and Mrs Cipriano (I forgot her first name, oops) the Vice-President of the Portuguese National PJ Association.

Interesting Program:

Besides explaining the spin that has been going on, the following was said that I thought was worth noting:

- The former Portuguese PJ officer, now the Head of the National Missing Children's Association has just stated on tv that he was offered by a British TV Station the possibility of doing a daily half-hour report from Praia da Luz to comment on the Madeleine case. He agreed. They then told him they did not follow the line of investigation that the PJ was following (interpret this as you wish). He says he then told them that he agreed with the current line of investigation the PJ was following and that as a response he was told that money was no object. They then offered him 2,500 euro/day to basically criticise people he says he admires, the institution he was a part of at one point and of which he was proud, his country, and the line of investigation and methods being followed.

- the Rogatory Letters have been sent to Eurojust. (In all fairness to the UK judicial system, on the program I have just heard, it stated that in situations like this, that involve more than one country, sometimes these letters rogatory, after being sent take years, no matter what the country in question. It depends on how quickly the UK Ministry of Justice of the receiving country expedites them to the police and then how quickly the police act on them).

- Paulo Reis did some freelance work for the Times. He parted company with them due to "editorial differences"...

- The Vice-President of the National Missing Person's Association stated that mothers will be mothers, no matter what country they are from - and the suffering of a British mother shows through as does one of a Portuguese mother. To her, the question of cultural differences as an excuse for not showing emotion makes no sense. British mothers are the same as Portuguese mothers - they love and suffer for their children the same.

- It was highlighted that in October the Prosecutor's Office did not allow further questioning until there was more information. Now, they have allowed and sent the letters rogatory. This means that further evidence has in the meantime been gathered.

This was the information I found most interesting, although they also mentioned that in June, Gerry was already planning the first year anniversary as if he knew Madeleine would not be found, that Alex W. from MW, stated in October that in the early days the McCanns thought Madeleine had wandered off and someone had found her - although publicly the ALWAYs stated she was abducted, etc, etc.'

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Op donderdag 24 januari 2008 12:16 schreef milagro het volgende:

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daar is niets mee gedaan... ja, moussie dat lees ik ook, steeds weer, maar wie beweren dat? juist, ja, diezelfde getuigen beweren dat, dat ze het toch echt echt echt gemeld hebben destijds, maar jaaaaaaaaaaaa de politie daar is erop uit van meet af aan onschuldige mensen een moord in de schoenen te schuiven dus die deden niets met meldingen die een mogelijk andere dader aanwezen....


get real, moussie, sorry, hoor

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Op donderdag 24 januari 2008 13:29 schreef kahaarin het volgende:

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Nou ja, zelfde verschil, een van de tapas vrienden, het zou trouwens een mooie boel worden als iedereen die het kan betalen een media campagne kan lanceren en eventueel wat nare reacties forceert zodat er geen onpartijdige jury gevonden kan worden.
Hopelijk prikt men daar wel doorheen.

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Op vrijdag 25 januari 2008 00:39 schreef moussie het volgende:

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ach ja, wat er nou wel of niet real is wordt anders steeds onduidelijker

In de tussentijd is het wel zo dat omstanders van de melders bevestigen dat het toen al gemeld is, en wat op zich nog meer zegt is het feit dat het niet alleen niet ontkend wordt door de politie, maar dat die alsnog die getuigen gaan bevragen ..

Vraagje .. stel dit zou jou overkomen, je wordt beschuldigt van iets ergs en alles lijkt tegen je te spreken .. en dan huur je je eigen PI in en die komt achter elkaar te weten dat de politie belangrijke getuigen gewoon niet gehoord heeft, andere getuigenverklaringen niet gecontroleerd heeft, dingen maar gewoon heeft aangenomen op basis van veronderstellingen ?
En dat dan nadat een andere politiechef die puinhoop van het onderzoek al over had genomen, en die had, ik citeer, 14 dagen en een volledig team nodig had om orde op zaken te stellen, belangrijke aanwijzingen die op een stukje verfrommeld notitieblok ergens rondslingeren ed ..
En psst hé, je mag niets zeggen over het onderzoek zelf, als je ook maar een poging doet wordt je meteen bedreigd met gevangenisstraf .. dus hoe haal jij je gram ?
Dus vertel, wat zou jij doen als jij jouw nieuws toch naar buiten wil brengen

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Op donderdag 24 januari 2008 23:31 schreef Suko het volgende:

Interessant... Hier staat meer info over die Alex W. from MW, dus Alex Woolfall (He is described as press officer for the Mark Warner holiday group but, in fact, has been seconded from the Bell Pottinger Group - the PR firm headed by Lord Bell, Lady Thatcher's former PR guru)

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Reminder: Blood in the flat and in the car confirmed 7-1-2008 The McCann Infantile Memory 7 min.48 (filmpje)

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Op vrijdag 25 januari 2008 02:06 schreef moussie het volgende:

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hihi, ben het wel een beetje blijven volgen al die tijd maar was er voor de rest eventjes helemaal klaar mee, de argumenten blijven maar hetzelfde .. nog steeds oneigenlijke emotionele projecties van je eigen reactie in een soortgelijke situatie, vergezochte hersenspinsel die onderhand de 9/11 conspiroloog van jaloersheid doet verbleken, bewijzen die geen bewijzen zijn .. pff

maar yup, dat was de spindoctor van het eerste uur, meteen ingevlogen dacht ik, de ochtend van de 4de was die er al, crème de la crème uit het bedrijf van de king of spin ..
zoals je misschien kan herinneren had ik het ergens in het begin er een keertje over dat het die man wel goed gelukt is om af te leiden van het luisterservice-concept dat al die resorts handhaven en wat je dus eigenlijk moet zien als een open uitnodiging voor kindermisbruikers ed

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Op vrijdag 25 januari 2008 01:12 schreef voyeur het volgende:

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Hallo mede mutsen

Het hele idee dat er een rechszaak in GB zal zijn met een jury is al vreemd. Binnen de EG zijn er vrij strikte regels en de kans daarop is miniem. Normaal gesproken wordt je berecht in het EG-land waar je het misdrijf pleegt en kan je hooguit op speciale gronden je gevangenisstraf uitzitten in je geboorteland.

2500 Euro per dag om je voormalig werkgever te beschimpen is verleidelijk. Goed dat Portugezen trots zijn. De gemiddelde Engelse tourist is voor vijf minuten televisienieuws al bereid om te verklaren dat ze een 'dodgy guy' zagen die sprekend leek op wie dan ook wat eerder claimde.

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Op donderdag 24 januari 2008 23:31 schreef Suko het volgende:


Vreemd toch dat het McCann-team die man meteen uitsluiten, hebben ze hem gezien dan? En komen er mogelijk nog tig mannen voorbij, wat een zielige vertoning...Dit is de gevonden man trouwens: Plaatje

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Ondertussen...

Interessant... Hier staat meer info over die Alex W. from MW, dus Alex Woolfall (He is described as press officer for the Mark Warner holiday group but, in fact, has been seconded from the Bell Pottinger Group - the PR firm headed by Lord Bell, Lady Thatcher's former PR guru)

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Op vrijdag 25 januari 2008 02:52 schreef voyeur het volgende:

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Maar Moussie, dit resort maakte juist duidelijk dat ze geen 'luister-service-concept' hadden. Dat was openbare informatie en wisten de de mensen die daar boekten.

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Ik denk ook niet dat het emotionele projectties zijn, maar in meerderheid verbijstering over de vreemde eenzijjdige pers in veel landen. Wat er echt gebeurd is weet niemand, maar de heldenvereriring blijft vreemd.

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The man in the sketch of Madeleine McCann's alleged abductor has been identified as a pig farmer who raped a British tourist in the town where the three-year-old disappeared.

Joaquim Jose Marques raped his teenage victim while an accomplice targeted her friend, the Portuguese daily newspaper Diario de Noticias reported today.

Marques, who has a daughter of Madeleine's age, was sentenced to five years in jail in 1996 after being found guilty of the 1995 attack in Praia da Luz.

Madeleine: Witnesses may have mistaken suspect Robert Murat for his British 'double'
McCanns are 'wasting fund cash on Madeleine hunt in Morocco'
His unnamed accomplice was also convicted of rape, the paper added.

The girls, both British and aged 17 and 18, were said to have been staying with a relative at the time.


Dreadlocked Marques, nicknamed Quim Ze, was also a known gun-runner and drug trafficker, the paper claimed.

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Op vrijdag 25 januari 2008 02:06 schreef moussie het volgende:

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hihi, ben het wel een beetje blijven volgen al die tijd maar was er voor de rest eventjes helemaal klaar mee, de argumenten blijven maar hetzelfde .. nog steeds oneigenlijke emotionele projecties van je eigen reactie in een soortgelijke situatie, vergezochte hersenspinsel die onderhand de 9/11 conspiroloog van jaloersheid doet verbleken, bewijzen die geen bewijzen zijn .. pff
>knip<

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MADELEINE McCann may be in Chile.

Police chief Segundo Leyton, head of the police unit specialised in the search of missing people, said the investigation was ordered after a man, who was not identified by name, reported seeing “a couple of foreigners” with a girl who looked like Madeleine in the city of Vicuna, 500 kilometres, (350 miles) north of Santiago.

Is this the first sighting in South America?

Leyton said, the unidentified man, a refrigeration technician, told police that the man he saw looked very much like a suspected kidnapper of Madeleine whose artist’s sketch was released recently by the girl’s parents.

Leyton told AP Television there is “similarity of 90-percent” between the man spotted in Vicuna and the artist’s sketch of the suspected kidnapper. “The physical signs of the child are coincident with the minor in question,” he said.

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The parents of Madeleine McCann are in talks to strike a £1million deal with two of America's biggest chat show stars

Kate and Gerry McCann are at the centre of a bidding war between Oprah Winfrey and Barbara Walters.

Both celebrities are desperate to land an exclusive deal for the couple to talk about their missing daughter. If it goes ahead, it will be the largest publicly-known amount ever paid for a broadcast interview.

The McCanns, both 39, say they have been forced to consider the bids because their £1.2million Find Madeleine appeal fund is expected to run dry by June.

But the move, expected to earn them £1million, will horrify those who have already accused them of cashing in since their daughter, then three, vanished from their holiday apartment in Portugal last May.

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LONDON (Reuters) - McCanns discuss new documentary The parents of Madeleine McCann missing in Portugal since May are holding talks with broadcasters about a second TV documentary on their daughter's disappearance, a spokesman for the couple said on Saturday. Kate and Gerry McCann, whose daughter Madeleine disappeared during a family holiday, hope the documentary will put pressure on European countries to adopt an alert system similar to one used in the United States to provide rapid notification to all states when a child goes missing.

The AMBER system, standing for America's Missing: Broadcast Emergency Response, is named after Amber Hagerman, a Texas girl kidnapped and murdered in 1996. The McCanns are unhappy that, when the youngster went missing just before her fourth birthday in the resort of Praia da Luz, Spanish border officials were not informed by their Portuguese counterparts until 12 hours later.

"We've talked to a few broadcasters and one or two are minded to look at it," the McCann's spokesman Clarence Mitchell told Reuters of the documentary proposal. "We're not selling Kate and Gerry -- we're trying to produce something positive. "If Madeleine were never found and if some sort of legacy for her was a system which would mean that no other family was ever in this terrible position again, then at least some good would have come out of this."

Mitchell confirmed the McCanns had been approached to do interviews with U.S. broadcasters Oprah Winfrey and Barbara Walters, but the couple's status as formal suspects in Portugal prohibited them from taking part. >>> Reuters

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Op zaterdag 26 januari 2008 22:48 schreef voyeur het volgende:
Tsja, Suko, die Chileense engerd was een look a like van de man die vlakbij PDL woont en die de politie al kent, dus heel geloofwaardig was 'the sighting' toch al niet.

Vwb de talkshows is er maar een woord: shameless exploitation! (ok zijn er twee )

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Op zondag 27 januari 2008 01:08 schreef voyeur het volgende:
Wie de zaak 'hardly followed' is niet echt een solide bron van informatie.

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Joaquim José Nóia Agostinho, 43 years old, unemployed and living for many years of an invalidity pension, swears he never left his town Altura, Castro Marim. Nevertheless in the last two days he has been the protagonist of several episodes, all because two British, on holiday in that beach think they recognized him as the man shown in photo-fit of a suspect of the abduction of the small Madeleine in Praia da Luz

The CM knows that Gail Cooper, the British tourist who gave her testimony from which the sketch of the latest photo-fit was made, saw yesterday a photo of Joaquim. She said to be convinced that he is the man she described.

Asked yesterday by the CM, in the bar he usually attends in Altura, Joaquim said he has no relation to the case and that he was not sought by the PJ. "And they say that I am the crazy one. I don't even know where Faro is, let alone Praia da Luz. "

The man, a cockle picker, says that he does not understand what the "two weird" guys that chased him and took his photo wanted.

FRIENDS AMUSE THEMSELVES

The friends can not bear the laughter. João Samúdio, owner of the snack bar Alia, where Joaquim Nóia passes the free time, was suspicious when he saw two individuals,with an English newspaper under the arm around his establishment.

"They showed a photo of Quim and asked if we knew him." He couldn't stop laughing when he realized that they accused his friend of being the man of the photo-fit. "If Quim never left this place in his life, how could he have kidnapped a child 150 kilometres away," asks João Samúdio.

THE BRITISHWOMEN GAVE THE ALERT

Pauline Douglas, pensioner of 73 years old, a native of Manchester, triggered the alert.

"Last Sunday, I was walking in the sidewalk by the beach, when I realised that a man followed me,"she told the CM yesterday.She says that she saw the individual trying to talk "with two children" and that he went away when the adults arrived. Tuesday when I was reading a British newspaper I saw the photo-fit. "It seemed the same man," she guarantees. A couple, who already left the hotel, told her that they had seen the same man. "One of my friends phoned to the Portuguese police and to an English newspaper," says Pauline. Confronted yesterday with a photo of Joaquim, the Britishwoman confessed that the man in the beach "seemed to have a longer face."

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Op zondag 27 januari 2008 15:05 schreef kahaarin het volgende:

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Het is Johnny Depp! Zeker weten, opgelost, slotje!

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Much has been made of the McCanns government links, and this being the reason for the apparant government cover up surrounding the disappearance of Madeleine McCann. The usual suspects have been rolled out: the freemasons, illuminati, etc. The link is far more simple. Gordon Brown is the prime minister and therefore the man making decisions and signing the cheques. His brother, Andrew, is the press officer for EDF energy which operates nuclear power stations. "In November 2005, EFD's Chief Executive, Vincent de Rivaz, told a parliamentary committee that new nuclear power stations could be built within ten years if planning and licensing laws are relaxed." Gerry McCann is a medical advisor to COMARE, a governemnt committee which monitors radiation in the enviroment. It's a win, win, win situation. Except of course for those who end up living next door to a nuclear waste depot. But not to worry because Yvette Cooper is the housing minister, and her father, Tony, is a board member of the Nuclear Decommisioning Authority. Yvette Cooper also happens to be married to Gordon's political chum, Ed Balls. So all Gerry needs to do to repay Gordon, for getting a case of potential infanticide dropped, is vote through the relaxation of the laws surrounding the operation and commisioning of nuclear power stations. Then Gordon signs the cheques, and his brother gets a bonus for his successful lobbying. Gordon gets paid later in the form of a nice little pension for doing a couple of days work as a director. Nope there is no corruption in British public life. If you don't believe Gordon is pulling political strings, how come that Goncalo Amaral kept his job after allegedly beating a confession out of a woman, but gets moved aside for speaking to the press? Bron

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PJ re-opens the abduction lead

The detectives are now following two leads: accidental death or abduction. Attorney Magalhães e Menezes has his hands tied and, without a corpse, it will be difficult to charge the McCanns

Text by Carlos Tomás

No certainties. The PJ has gone back to considering the possibility that Madeleine McCann was indeed the victim of abduction. The investigators have re-questioned various witnesses in the case, but the team, headed by the PJ coordinator Paulo Rebelo, maintains two lines of investigation open: accidental death and abduction. With less than one month to bring charges, the Portimão attorney, Magalhães e Menezes has nothing definite to go on. According to judiciary sources contacted by 24 Horas, it will be difficult to bring charges against the McCanns.

“There are two possibilities being looked at: kidnap or accidental death. We have followed these two lines of investigation, though everything points to a possible accidental death in the apartment and subsequent concealment of the body involving the parents and third parties. But the possibility of abduction is being reconsidered. The Public Prosecutor’s Office cannot ignore any possibility. There is no concrete evidence to charge the current official suspects in the case and, accordingly, no lead can be abandoned”, a judiciary source involved in the case informed 24 Horas.

The same source has revealed that the police have re-questioned several persons who had already been interviewed early on in the investigation, which officially began on 14 May 2007, the day on which Robert Murat, an official translator for the Lagos court and resident only 100 metres from the apartment Maddie was sleeping in, was named an “arguido” (official suspect), and was considered to have hidden the child’s body.

“The PJ was focusing on a line of investigation that pointed clearly to the accidental death of the child and subsequent concealing of the body. However, the results from the laboratory in Birmingham, which specialises in DNA tests, have cast doubts on this line and the other lead has been re-opened. But the former theory remains the most credible one”, said a source at the Portimão court.

Gonçalo Amaral, who was initially in charge of the investigation, is now made to look like the baddie. “He committed himself totally to the theory that Maddie’s parents were responsible, through negligence, for her death and for concealing her body. Now the other line of investigation has been re-opened. This is a difficult situation. Being the very experienced professional that he is, he would hardly commit to something unless it was credible”, one of the investigators involved in the initial investigation, who wished to remain anonymous, revealed."

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"This has been quite common in 24horas for the last few months, they spin their stories favourably to the McCann side so that they can be picked up by the British media, who then get rid of all the "ifs" and "buts" and makes it look like defintive statements.

For instance, in the original article the source says that "everything points to a possible accidental death in the apartment and subsequent concealment of the body involving the parents and third parties" — and, well, if EVERYTHING points to the McCanns as suspects, how can there be still something else pointing to an abduction?

Besides, what the British media are not quoting from 24horas is the part in a companion report where they say that British authorities are "stalling" the answer to the Portuguese rogatory letters asking for new questionings.

The 24horas source also says that without a body it's difficult to make credible charges, but for me this expresses only Team McCanns wishes. The PJ, rightly or wrongly, took Gerry's "Find the body and prove we killed her" challenge as indicating that Maddie will never be found, and so concentrated their investigation in trying to prove the crime in other ways, supported by Portuguese jurisprudence on the matter (the Joana and Padre Frederico cases, in which the bodies of the children killed were never found). There's also of course the crime of child abandonment, and there's no need to find proof for that because the McCanns confessed it to the PJ, in fact, as Paulo Cristóvão said, this crime is their alibi against more serious charges."

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DRIFTER MATCHES NEW MADELEINE SUSPECT

INVESTIGATORS want to quiz a Portuguese drifter suspected of involvement in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

Detectives working for the youngster’s parents are to question Joaquim Agostinho, 42, in the resort of Altura.

Jobless Agostinho bears a striking resemblance to an FBI artist’s drawing of a suspect seen lurking in Praia da Luz days before Madeleine disappeared.

Witness Gail Cooper, 50, yesterday insisted he was “the spitting image” of the man she saw.

It comes as a new kidnap alert was sparked 90 miles away in Altura after two British tourists were stalked by a prowler seen targeting children on the beach.

Algarve police launched an investigation after five worried holidaymakers raised the alarm, saying the stalker looked like the man in the artist’s impression.

The sketches, ordered by Kate and Gerry McCann, are based on Mrs Cooper’s description.

After being shown Mr Agostinho’s photograph, Mrs Cooper, from Newark, Notts, said: “He’s the image of the man I saw three times at the resort where Madeleine vanished.”

Mr Agostinho, who lives in Altura, said yesterday: “I did not kill Madeleine and I’ve never been to Praia da Luz. I cannot even drive.” Altura is close to the Spanish border and detectives from Metodo 3 – the agency working for the McCanns – were last night travelling there from their headquarters in Barcelona.

A source close to Metodo 3 said: “We are moving our people to speak with this man ASAP.”

Last week, Portuguese detectives were called to Altura after Hampshire Police were alerted to a spate of reports in the town.

Two women told their tour operator First Choice the man who followed them was “identical” to the McCann sketch.

A third British woman said she saw the same man approach two children on the beach and said one of the boys seemed upset and was shaking his head at him.

Moments later, the mother of the two boys, aged four and five, raced out of a nearby villa. She screamed at the children before scooping them up and rushing away from the man.

Portuguese police are convinced heart consultant Gerry and GP Kate, both 39, are responsible for their daughter’s accidental death.

The couple were named official suspects last September.

The latest potential sighting of Madeleine came in Chile, where a young girl was spotted with a man who looked like Mrs Cooper’s sketch.

Detectives were called but the girl was American Haylee Dreyer, six, on holiday in Vicuna with her grandparents.

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Op maandag 28 januari 2008 11:38 schreef milagro het volgende:
het is sowieso idioot dat ze 'suspects' genoemd worden... ze zijn gezien in de PDL en/of ze lijken ietwat op de schets van de (mogelijk) geziene man, ze zien er shabby uit, dat is het enige wat vaststaat.

je zou hooguit ze getuigen kunnen noemen, omdat ze in de omgeving gezien (zouden) zijn op het moment dat Maddie ontvoerd zou zijn , dat laatste is niet eens zeker.

die mensen worden met naam en toenaam en foto in de krant gepleurd en krijgen meteen het etiket verdachte.

nu zullen bepaalde muisjes piepen dat de ouders dat lot ook ten deel valt,

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maar de ouders zoeken zelf de publiciteit steeds op, bellen de media zelf op om ze te vertellen dat ze PDL gaan verlaten "dus ms een leuk fotomomentje, heren?"

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.. en verder zijn er meer dan een hand vol redenen, sterke aanwijzingen om de ouders als mogelijke verdachten te zien, waaronder dus hun volhardend weigeren die 40 vragen te beantwoorden, om er maar 1 uit te pikken.

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er zitten giga gaten in hun verhaal, dat van de ouders én de overige Tapas kliek, iets waar de gehele kliek zelf zich niet toe geroepen voelt die gaten te vullen.

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[quote]Op maandag 28 januari 2008 12:50 schreef moussie het volgende:

Hoe kom jij aan het idee dat ze zelf de media opzoeken .. in dat geval zou je toch lezen : Kate McCann heeft contact gezocht met Harpo-industries ipv al die speculaties over wat ze misschien gaan doen ..
of bedoel je in het verleden, toen ze nog geen stap konden zetten zonder een kudde pers op hun hielen ?
Dat ze toen niemand hoefden te bellen ligt mi nogal voor de hand ..

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Sterke aanwijzingen ? Een hond die iets heeft geroken en een miniem spoortje bloed dat hoogstwaarschijnlijk/misschien van Maddie is ?
En er wordt dan wild gespeculeerd over die '40' vragen terwijl niemand weet hoeveel vragen het zijn en waar ze over gingen .. wat wel bekend is is dat zij pas weigerden om verdere vragen te beantwoorden nadat de politie weigerde hun op de hoogte te houden van de ontwikkelingen waarop hun, als zijnde arguidos, wel recht op hadden

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Jeetje, doe je nou expres zo dom ? Ze mogen niets zeggen, zwijgplicht, remember ?

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Op maandag 28 januari 2008 14:37 schreef abondance het volgende:
Ik vertrouw de media helemaal niet in dat soort dingen.
Ze verdienen eraan en helaas filteren ze zowiezo van alles wat het establishement niet graag heeft en geven ze juist veel aandacht aan wat bedrog is maar de publieke opinie moet vorm geven.

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Kijk hier maar wat de grootse mediamagnaat van de wereld daarvan zei deze week in een forum. Hij geeft met moeite toe dat hij in de Irak oorlog vooral de Bush strategie gesteund heeft. Dat is dramatisch voor de burgers die daardoor maar halve informatie kregen en die vertrouwen op objectieve berichtgeving uit de kranten.. Ze hebben dus alle andere geluiden geweerd in de pers; Dat betekent het. Dat is manipulatie van de massa.

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Dus is het mi niet onmogelijk dat het een bedoeling heeft om met the case 'maddy' zoveel in de kranten te komen. De pers is niet onafhankelijk.
Het kan een manier zijn om de aandacht af te leiden, om een dader in te dekken. Die piste moet ook bewandeld worden. Het is nl al veel voor gekomen.

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In Belgie is er toch een enorme doofpot operatie geweest met al die ontvoerde kinderen; Denk maar niet dat er iets is opgelost; Heel erg voor de ouders. Ze hebben gewoon de goed werkende rechter die oplossingen had van zijn werk afgehaald en een nietsnut in de plaats gezet. Het is duidelijk vanuit hoge geplaatste mensen met veel macht dat deze misdaden beschermd worden. En dat fenomeen zie je wereldwijd. Er zijn grote casen in Amerika en Australie. Telkens wil men ontkennen dat er een netwerk achter zit.

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Dutroux is altijd blijven beweren dat hij voor een netwerk werkte. Stapels dosiers zijn zogezegd gepikt uit een auto....van de politie....
Bedankt voor deze link die is hot !!!! Gelukkig zijn er nog moedige mensen...
[url=http://www.pehi.eu/

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"Following on from yesterday's post commenting on Duarte Levy's claim that Clarence Mitchell is using the rescources of the Media Monitoring Unit to track forums and blogs critical of the McCanns; and the related claim that critical blogs are being taken down because they are damaging to the image of the McCanns - I notice that the 3 arguidos forum is no longer available.

This forum is interesting for two reasons.

It was created about two months ago when the Mirror forums began their process of Tiananmenisation, which reached idiotic levels when threads were being pulled because someone had complained about the content - simply complained, they needed no evidence or argument to support the complaint - they only needed to complain. This was around the time when an edict was issued saying that certain topics could no longer be discussed - you know damaging stuff to the McCanns, like the timeline, probable versus credible witnesses, and what Kate was doing in the afternoon when no one saw her either her or Madeleine.

Originally the members started another forum but that was closed when a McCann supporter took advantage of the lax moderation to post porn pictures - including borderline images of child abuse - and following that attack it was decided to start the 3 arguidos. (One wonders where the McCann supporter was able to access such pornographic images at short notice)

Now it is true that these forums did attack the crazier memebers of the public. By this I don't mean those who don't believe the propoganda, but those who haven't cottoned onto the fact that the McCanns don't care who they hurt, are willing to use any tactics necessary to prevent them from answering police questions that will go a long way towards clarifying what happened to their daughter and have an array of lawyers behind them who know as well as the European Court that the British libel laws are unjust and a schiesters charter.

Therefore while 99% of the discussion on the forum might well be reasoned arguements pointingout the latest lies/change of story for Team McCann, or relevant information relating to the latest health professional who claims to be an independent witness with important information (but turns out to be in some way bizarre way related to the McCanns) - it only takes the 1% who feel the necessity to call Gerry a murderer for the lawyers to invoke the libel laws and the site to be pulled - because as we know the ISP will not investigate the claims or support the user of it's services - which is part of the reason the libel laws is a Schiesters charter.

But it might well be that the 3 arguidos has disappeared for other reasons - such as technical difficulties on the server - but seeing as the front page is there (thought with an error message) does suggest that technical difficulties are not the reason - and it certainly gives my fuel to the claims of Duarte Levy that this is in fact a crack down on dissset, and a crack down that is fully supported by the British government (not least because we already know that it is one of Gordon Brown's desires - in addition to stealing your organs, selling Northern Rock to Richard Branson, and helping his brother to build nuclear power stations - to crack down on the internet).

Oh well, I guess we will have to see if the crack down continues, and whether this site is deemed to be detrimental to the image of the McCanns - which no doubt it is - but I have been careful not ot make libellous assertions and if it comes to a fight, then I will claim journalistic privilege, since even were I have made false statements, they have been based on the available evidence.

Not that it will matter - since Google will pull the plug before any court case - I might be making them money by carrying their advertising but Google does not exactly have a good record when it comes to matters of free speech, standing up against bullying corporations, and generally behaving in an ethical manner - but hey! I get this space for nothing, so who am I to complain?

And I guess if Clarence and the Gang come calling and shut me down, I'll just have to start another blog - it won't be the first time I have had a blog closed down - and I doubt it will be the last - lol.

But just to be on the safe side -

if your blickstick gets two heevey, it is always useful to have a trowel that you can fold up and place under your strops to prevent your shielders getting too sore.

peace:)

ignore the above - server issues apparently.... lol