Madeleine's Fundquote:Op donderdag 10 januari 2008 12:27 schreef milagro het volgende:
weet iemand nog wanneer dat fonds eigenlijk is opgericht?
hoeveel dagen na de 3e mei?
... and doesn't forget to comb her hairquote:Op donderdag 10 januari 2008 13:03 schreef voyeur het volgende:
Overigens ook een mooi citaat uit het Vanity Fair interview:
"''And Kate says she told friends: “I hope whoever has Madeleine is giving her blankets, is feeding her properly, is keeping her warm.”
Ironie, voyeur, ironie.quote:Op donderdag 10 januari 2008 13:03 schreef voyeur het volgende:
Overigens ook een mooi citaat uit het Vanity Fair interview:
"''And Kate says she told friends: “I hope whoever has Madeleine is giving her blankets, is feeding her properly, is keeping her warm.”
Dus ze hoopt dat de pedofiele predator beter voor haar kind zorgt dan zijzelf? Hoe gestoord is dat mens?
ah bedankt.quote:Op donderdag 10 januari 2008 13:04 schreef kahaarin het volgende:
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Madeleine's Fund
Tributes in Rothley on 17 May 2007A fund-raising company, known as Madeleine's Fund: Leaving No Stone Unturned, was launched in Leicester on 16 May 2007. The Fund is a limited company, not a registered charity, because its objectives are not wide enough to satisfy Charity Commission criteria for UK charities.[34] The objectives include helping the family with their expenses and continuing the investigation independently should that prove necessary. Any excess funds would be used to help search for other abducted children[35] The Fund's website reportedly received 58 million hits and 16,000 messages of support by 18 May, only two days after its launch.[36] Over £1,036,000 had been raised by 11 September 2007.[37]
13 dagen dus, het heeft niet lang geduurd voordat ze daarmee begonnen.
Ironie om maar eens met voyeur te sprekenquote:Op donderdag 10 januari 2008 13:14 schreef milagro het volgende:
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ah bedankt.
13 dagen voor het in de lucht was, maar zoiets vergt voorbereiding natuurlijk, dat zet je niet 1,2,3 op allemaal.
en over vreemde quotes gesproken... Kate over Madeleine ook :
"I bet she's giving whoever she's with her tuppence worth"
tja, sorry, hoor![]()
13 dagen minus de voorbereidingen dan nog, he , dus het plan was er zowat direct al, om amper een week later al in kannen en kruiken te zijn, er moest geld komen en snel maar vooral veel.quote:Op donderdag 10 januari 2008 13:29 schreef kahaarin het volgende:
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Ironie om maar eens met voyeur te spreken, om het niet bijtend sarcasme te noemen, ik snap niet hoe een moeder dit soort dingen over haar lippen weet te krijgen, in mijn ogen ten hemel schreiend.
Ik vind 13 dagen aardig snel, toen was er nog helemaal niets bekend over wat dan ook, die machine is erg snel op gang gekomen.
Inderdaad, ze moeten wel hele goede contacten hebben om dit zo rap en gelikt voor elkaar te krijgen.quote:Op donderdag 10 januari 2008 13:33 schreef milagro het volgende:
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13 dagen minus de voorbereidingen dan nog, he , dus het plan was er zowat direct al, om amper een week later al in kannen en kruiken te zijn, er moest geld komen en snel maar vooral veel.
die quote heeft iets "sinister sordids' wat mij betreft...al bedoelt ze er natuurlijk iets heel anders mee, en zit het sordid in mijn hoofd
LOL! Alhoewel die Mike Hitchen een rare druif is (valt op spanking van jonge meisjes) kan ik er soms wel om lachen.quote:Op donderdag 10 januari 2008 12:07 schreef kahaarin het volgende:
@Yvonne, dankje!![]()
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En wat moeten we hier van denken?
Ik denk dat ze toch wel 'haar soort' wil beschermen, toch een beetje vaag dat ze precies het (glazen) oog van Murat weet te beschrijven, maar dat kan ze ook uit de pers hebben of van de PI's van de McCanns natuurlijk, we shall see.![]()
http://ionglobaltrends.bl(...)-certain-it-was.html
Binnen 13 dagen is inderdaad al belachelijk kort maar het kan nog korter! Bronquote:Op donderdag 10 januari 2008 13:04 schreef kahaarin het volgende:
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Madeleine's Fund
Tributes in Rothley on 17 May 2007A fund-raising company, known as Madeleine's Fund: Leaving No Stone Unturned, was launched in Leicester on 16 May 2007. The Fund is a limited company, not a registered charity, because its objectives are not wide enough to satisfy Charity Commission criteria for UK charities.[34] The objectives include helping the family with their expenses and continuing the investigation independently should that prove necessary. Any excess funds would be used to help search for other abducted children[35] The Fund's website reportedly received 58 million hits and 16,000 messages of support by 18 May, only two days after its launch.[36] Over £1,036,000 had been raised by 11 September 2007.[37]
13 dagen dus, het heeft niet lang geduurd voordat ze daarmee begonnen.
De aanhang zal wel krimpen maar er zal alles uit de kast worden getrokken om de support te houden en te laten groeien, het is nog lang niet over. Amerika is nog enigszins onontgonnen gebied wat dit betreft...werk aan de winkel Clarrie!quote:Op donderdag 10 januari 2008 14:20 schreef kahaarin het volgende:
@Suko, ik ben tot halverwege pag. 2 gekomen, wat een drama verhaal, allemaal oud nieuws en zo totaal gemaakt om sypathie (lees: donaties) op te wekken dat ik er misselijk van werd, nogmaals het gaat helemaal niet meer om of over Maddy maar om een campagne die de ouders moet vrijpleiten.
Wat een BS, zouden er echt nog mensen zijn die er in trappen?
Ik heb het origineel (dus niet de verknipte versie uiit de Engelse pers) helemaal gelezen en het is echt uiterst kritisch over de McCann's. De Amerikanen krijgen geen positief beeld van het echtpaar.quote:Op donderdag 10 januari 2008 14:20 schreef kahaarin het volgende:
@Suko, ik ben tot halverwege pag. 2 gekomen, wat een drama verhaal, allemaal oud nieuws en zo totaal gemaakt om sypathie (lees: donaties) op te wekken dat ik er misselijk van werd, nogmaals het gaat helemaal niet meer om of over Maddy maar om een campagne die de ouders moet vrijpleiten.
Wat een BS, zouden er echt nog mensen zijn die er in trappen?
Ik zou bijna zeggen gelukkig maar, ik blijf van mening dat zolang ze nog niet met overtuigend bewijs vrijgepleit kunnen worden er niet zoveel aandacht moet zijn voor hun verhaaltjes en gespin in de media, ze zijn nota bene verdachten in de verdwijning van hun dochter en er is bewijs tegen hen gvonden en er zijn een heleboel zaken nog niet duidelijk, ik vind niet dat hen een platform gegund mag worden waarop zij de kans hebben omzichzelf vrij te pleiten en de opinie te veranderen.quote:Op donderdag 10 januari 2008 14:59 schreef voyeur het volgende:
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Ik heb het origineel (dus niet de verknipte versie uiit de Engelse pers) helemaal gelezen en het is echt uiterst kritisch over de McCann's. De Amerikanen krijgen geen positief beeld van het echtpaar.
Als je met zoveel vrienden en familie daar zit dat zou je toch denken dat je potdomme direct samen met je vent, of om beurten vanwege de twins, je als de sodemieter gaat zoeken (nadat je al van schrik het hele dorp bij elkaar hebt geschreeuwd), na uren zorg zorg je dat iedereen belt van enig nut, je neemt om beurten even rust, je gaat weer zoeken, trommelt een posse bijeen, kortom je doet fysiek alles maar dan ook alles om je kleine (she is so special, remember?) meid te vinden. Iedereen om je heen, die ook maar enig gevoel in z'n donder had zou mee gaan zoeken. Je valt de politie lastig als je vindt dat ze niet genoeg doen, je gaat daar desnoods voor het bureau liggen, tiimmert tegen de deur, je gaat verder met z'n allen zoeken, de poten in de klei/zand/modder whatever. Wat kan het verrotten maar je haalt zoveel mogelijk uit de kast om je kid te vinden. Maar nee, er werd vooral gebeld vlak na de vermissing, met mams en je priester in de UK, Sky News in Lissabon, een jeugdvriiendin en God weet wie allemaal die op dat moment geen moer echt konden doen, en vooral direct benadrukken (Gerry) dat het om een ontvoering ging, roepend, it's a disaster...it's a disaster, tegen schoonma. Kind had in eerste instantie weggelopen kunnen zijn, iets wat ze eerder had gedaan uit ondeugendheid, en door buren gevonden na een half uur. Misschien was ze nu ergens in gevallen, maar om gelijk aan een ontvoering te denken? En zo zijn er tig onbegrijpelijkheden die je als paps en mams (maar ook mensen zonder kinderen) niet bevat en niet in mijn hoofd willen gaan, en de rest van de wereld ook niet geloof ik. Waarom ze niet zochten, druk druk druk met van alles, zoals blijkt uit een interview met Jane Hill, behalve met zoeken...quote:Op donderdag 10 januari 2008 15:10 schreef kahaarin het volgende:
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Ik zou bijna zeggen gelukkig maar, ik blijf van mening dat zolang ze nog niet met overtuigend bewijs vrijgepleit kunnen worden er niet zoveel aandacht moet zijn voor hun verhaaltjes en gespin in de media, ze zijn nota bene verdachten in de verdwijning van hun dochter en er is bewijs tegen hen gvonden en er zijn een heleboel zaken nog niet duidelijk, ik vind niet dat hen een platform gegund mag worden waarop zij de kans hebben omzichzelf vrij te pleiten en de opinie te veranderen.
@Suko, dus het is nog sneller gegaan dan we aanvankelijk dachten, zou jij daar als eerste aan denken als jouw neefje/nichtje werd vermist? Als er heel duidelijk is gezegd dat dergelijke verdwijningen gebaat zijn bij een gedegen onderzoek en zo min mogelijk media aandacht?
Dit snap ik niet helemaal, we kunnen toch allemaal de online versie lezen???quote:Op donderdag 10 januari 2008 14:59 schreef voyeur het volgende:
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Ik heb het origineel (dus niet de verknipte versie uiit de Engelse pers) helemaal gelezen en het is echt uiterst kritisch over de McCann's. De Amerikanen krijgen geen positief beeld van het echtpaar.
Ah, op die fiets, maar het veeeeeel belezen Mirror-forum en veel Bloggers halen echt wel de waarheid uit dit ouwe interview en de rest van die nonsens...quote:Op donderdag 10 januari 2008 18:17 schreef voyeur het volgende:
Ik bedoelde gewoon dat op forums een verknipte versie rondzwierf die veel positiever voor de McCann's was.
(Justice for Madeleine)quote:he search for Madeleine McCann has been hijacked by her parents' "gigantic propaganda machine", Portuguese police have claimed.
Officers lashed out against Kate and Gerry McCann's slick PR operation after learning they had granted an interview to glossy magazine Vanity Fair, and could even make £2million from a film about their daughter's disappearance. A source close to the investigation said detectives were furious about the latest publicity, which came as formal requests for the McCanns' friends to be reinterviewed were sent to Britain.
Police are also skeptical about "a surge" of new witnesses traced by the couple's private detective agency, Metodo 3, the Portuguese newspaper Correio da Manha reported. The unnamed source said: "Who do the McCanns think they are?
"The discovery of new witnesses in the last few weeks have led authorities to believe they are battling against a gigantic propaganda machine. "The McCanns have some very powerful people on their side - millionaires, celebrities and even politicians."
A second official dismissed the work of the couple's detective agency as "diversion tactics", aimed at distracting police away from the McCanns, who are still official suspects in the case. He said: "Their tactics are really beginning to annoy us. Whenever a decisive date approaches the company takes a new rabbit out of the hat."
The attacks are a clear indication of the anger that the McCanns' publicity campaign has caused in Portugal, where police investigations are usually carried out in secret. Mr McCann, 39, gave the interview alone in October, without his wife Kate, after being approached by the magazine. Vanity Fair also spoke to the couple's friends and family as well as to the other suspect in the case, Robert Murat. Clarence Mitchell, the family's spokesman, said Mr McCann had not been paid by Vanity Fair and had instead requested donations to the fund in return for cooperation with future projects.
He said the Find Madeleine campaign was to take on a "commercial dimension" to keep it in the black. It emerged on Tuesday that the couple could make £2million from a film about Madeleine's disappearance. Other projects could include a book deal and even TV chat shows which the McCanns have shunned in the past for fear of seeming like celebrities.
The £1.2million fund to finance the search for Madeleine has been halved by the cost of hiring private detectives, running adverts and paying the family's living costs. Only £600,000 remains and the balance is expected to drop to only £346,000 by April and possibly zero by June.
De belangrijkste zin uit je tekst, waarom dachten ze meteen dat er iets ergs aan de hand was?quote:Op donderdag 10 januari 2008 17:54 schreef Suko het volgende:
Als je met zoveel vrienden en familie daar zit dat zou je toch denken dat je potdomme direct samen met je vent, of om beurten vanwege de twins, je als de sodemieter gaat zoeken (nadat je al van schrik het hele dorp bij elkaar hebt geschreeuwd), na uren zorg zorg je dat iedereen belt van enig nut, je neemt om beurten even rust, je gaat weer zoeken, trommelt een posse bijeen, kortom je doet fysiek alles maar dan ook alles om je kleine (she is so special, remember?) meid te vinden. Iedereen om je heen, die ook maar enig gevoel in z'n donder had zou mee gaan zoeken. Je valt de politie lastig als je vindt dat ze niet genoeg doen, je gaat daar desnoods voor het bureau liggen, tiimmert tegen de deur, je gaat verder met z'n allen zoeken, de poten in de klei/zand/modder whatever. Wat kan het verrotten maar je haalt zoveel mogelijk uit de kast om je kid te vinden. Maar nee, er werd vooral gebeld vlak na de vermissing, met mams en je priester in de UK, Sky News in Lissabon, een jeugdvriiendin en God weet wie allemaal die op dat moment geen moer echt konden doen, en vooral direct benadrukken (Gerry) dat het om een ontvoering ging, roepend, it's a disaster...it's a disaster, tegen schoonma. Kind had in eerste instantie weggelopen kunnen zijn, iets wat ze eerder had gedaan uit ondeugendheid, en door buren gevonden na een half uur. Misschien was ze nu ergens in gevallen, maar om gelijk aan een ontvoering te denken? En zo zijn er tig onbegrijpelijkheden die je als paps en mams (maar ook mensen zonder kinderen) niet bevat en niet in mijn hoofd willen gaan, en de rest van de wereld ook niet geloof ik. Waarom ze niet zochten, druk druk druk met van alles, zoals blijkt uit een interview met Jane Hill, behalve met zoeken...Media-aandacht zeker maar aldaar en wijde omtrek, ook in de UK, spreek na verloop van tijd je rijke invloedrijke vriendjes aan maar de rest is onzin, rubbisch!
quote:Psychic investigators from a popular American television programme are flying out to Portugal in an attempt to solve the mystery of missing Madeleine McCann.
Three clairvoyants from the hit show Haunting Evidence will travel to Praia da Luz in a bid to find the missing four-year-old.
Kate and Gerry McCanns have received 1,500 offers from psychics hoping to find Madeleine
The programme’s makers claim to have previously made a breakthrough in an unsolved murder case in the US.
However, a spokesman for Gerry and Kate McCann said they had decided not to take up an offer from the show to co-operate with it.
Clarence Mitchell said: “We did receive an offer and chose on this occasion not to respond. We are grateful for any assistance they bring to bear in the hunt for finding Madeleine.”
So far the McCanns have received 1,500 offers from psychics hoping to find Madeleine.
advertisementMr Mitchell said: “We thank them for their concern and any demonstrably checkable fact is passed on to the police or the private detective agency.”
However, the agency employed by the McCanns, Metodo 3, may not have its contract renewed next month following a series of outspoken comments and unfulfilled promises by its boss Francisco Marco.
Costing £50,000 a month, they are nearing the end of their six month contract.
The Find Madeleine Fund, which is paying them from public donations but which is beginning to run short of money, will announce next month whether the contract is being renewed.
Much will rest on the thoughts of Brian Kennedy, the double glazing magnate who is funding the McCann’s attempts to clear their name, who holds the contract with Metodo 3.
He is understood to have been annoyed by comments prior to Christmas from Mr Marco that they knew who had kidnapped Madeleine and even promised to have her home for Christmas.
A source close to the McCanns said: “Operationally the Fund is happy that Metodo 3 is searching for Madeleine but there are people who are none too impressed by Francisco shooting his mouth off.”
At a meeting on Thursday, the Fund agreed to raise money for the fund, which currently sits at £600,000 but which faces running dry by late summer unless it receives a cash injection, by exploiting more media opportunities.
It has drafted in Jon Corner, a film producer and friend of the McCann’s, to help Mr Mitchell look at offers they have received, such as making a docudrama or writing a book.
Maar wat mij ook volstrekt niet duidelijk is: waar is dat geld uiteindelijk precies voor nodig? In dit stadium, bedoel ik. Volgens mij moet het gezicht van Maddie inmiddels internationale faam hebben - tot in Honduras en Taiwan zal haar foto verspreid zijn, met dank aan (voornamelijk) de internationale roddelpers. Recentere foto's zijn, om redenen die voor de hand liggen, niet voor handen. In de directe omgeging van Praia da Luz is ze niet gevonden. Ze kan dus overal zijn, en vermoedelijk leeft ze niet meer. Of haar ouders hebben haar verdonkeremaand, of ze is door een pedofiel of anderszins zieke geest ontvoerd en in dat geval zijn de prognoses ook niet hoopgevend. Kortom: waar zoeken we eigenlijk naar? Hoe? Wat is nou precies de noodzaak van al dat geld? Het enige dat ik kan verzinnen, is nóg meer mensen op de zaak attenderen (maar wie heeft de Maddie-ontvoering gemist?) in de hoop dat iemand haar op straat herkent.quote:Op vrijdag 11 januari 2008 17:48 schreef Suko het volgende:
Dit stukje uit je post is wel interessant: "The Find Madeleine Fund, which is paying them from public donations but which is beginning to run short of money, will announce next month whether the contract is being renewed. Much will rest on the thoughts of Brian Kennedy, the double glazing magnate who is funding the McCann’s attempts to clear their name, who holds the contract with Metodo 3." Voor mij blijkt hieruit dat die Kennedy mogelijk wél Metodo 3 uit eigen zak betaald. Ik heb ergens gelezen dat er niet eerder dan 2009 openheid van zaken komt wat betreft de bestedingen tot nu toe, het is absoluut niet duidelijk wie wat betaald.
quote:As someone in the trade I can confirm, absolutely, that's the case, and Sky News and the Murdoch media empire are well on-track to secure the rights, with only Richard Branson's financing the parents being a problem.
Sky News were given the very first, exclusive interview with the McCanns just days after the child was reported missing. A bizarre thing for the McCanns to do: selling their story to just one media outlet was the least efective way of getting their message out. An open-to-all press/media conference would have been far more appropriate, but of course would pay far less... It would also would have meant having to answer questions from lots of awkward journalists rather than just the one, with the pre-arranged questions...
For those in the media trade, that was the first real sign that this whole missing child affair was not what it seemed. We have yet to be proved wrong...
As we all know, from the very earliest days pounds signs have been the guiding influence in everything the McCanns have done, and nothing has changed recently.
The desire to empty the official fund before the first anniversary is entirely understandable. The McCanns know they cannot get away with using it personally any more, and that details of much more than just mortgage payments will have to be revealed in due course...
As the first anniversary approaches (and make no mistake, plans are well under way for this - in the full knowledge that short of a miracle by the PJ, turning up the body, Madeleine will still be missing...) the McCanns will want all the book, programme and film deals signed ready. The million pound fund (and all the as yet unaccounted for interest...) will pale into insignificance beside the money the McCanns will personally make as we enter Year Two.
Be under no illusion - hiring Metodo 3 had nothing to do with finding a child, but was a brilliant dramatic move on Team McCann's part, as will be their dismissal and replacement of Metodo in the New Year. This whole affair has been so sickeningly well orchestrated as to be almost unbelievable.
The film script is almost certainly well underway, and quite likely several endings are already being discussed. Safe to presume none of them involve Madeleine being returned alive...
The book, likewise, is as good as written several times over, and a safe bet Clarence is already negotiating for final rights...
With Murdoch and Sky/The Sun/Times/20th Century Fox on one side and Branson and Virgin Media on the other, the parents are going to be set up for life if the PJ fail to secure a conviction...
Of course, Clarence wins either way. His inside knowledge of the couple will secure his financial future whatever the fate of the parents......Bron
Dacht het wel he, er moeten nog wat vraagjes worden beantwoord, en er zijn bewezen bloedsporen van Madeleine < wat moeten we daar nog mee doen...quote:The Portuguese prosecutor in the case of Madeleine McCann has applied for files to be kept secret for longer. The request means the three official suspects, who include Madeleine's parents, cannot yet discover what case police have against them.
Case files are usually opened eight months after police start their investigation on an individual. Madeleine, four, from Rothley, Leics, was last seen in Praia da Luz in the Algarve on 3 May last year. Prosecutors can ask a judge to keep files closed on the grounds that opening them would undermine the ongoing investigation.
Filed request
Next Monday marks eight months since British expatriate Robert Murat was declared the first arguido, or official suspect. But the BBC has learned prosecutors have already filed their request to keep the files closed. The judge's decision on secrecy will apply to all those involved in the case.
Therefore, if he accepts the prosecutor's argument, Madeleine's parents, Kate and Gerry McCann, will also continue with no access to the evidence, if any, police have against them. The investigation itself continues, with prosecutors still finalising their formal request for witnesses to be interviewed in the UK.
Eigenlijk lees ik hier uit dat langzamerhand men het publiek laat 'wennen' dat ze denken dat Madeleine niet meer leeft, tenslotte moet die eventuele film/boek whatever toch een soort einde krijgen, daar houden regisseurs/schrijvers van, en ook het publiek. En het is weer een afleidingsmanouvre, vooral niet de aandacht op de ouders, formeel verdachten, vestigen...quote:Madeleine McCann was raped, murdered and her body dumped in a reservoir within 48 hours of her disappearance, a lawyer claimed. Underworld criminals contacted a human rights lawyer on May 6, three days after the girl vanished, with details of her alleged abduction and murder, he said. But when Marcos Aragao Correia tried to tell police, he was ignored, he added.
The lawyer has contacted Kate and Gerry McCann's detective agency, which has begun to investigate his theory. If true, Mr Correia, 32, believes it would clear the couple of suspicion that they were involved in their daughter's disappearance. He refused to reveal his underworld sources but said: "They indicated that Madeleine had been abducted, raped and murdered within the first two days after her abduction, and her body thrown into a lake in the Algarve."
From the description of the location that he was given, Mr Correia deduced that Madeleine's body is at the bottom of the Barragem do Arade reservoir, near Silves, 40 miles from Praia da Luz. The lawyer, from Madeira, travelled to the Algarve to investigate the claims and visited the reservoir, 150ft deep in places, with Metodo 3 last month.
In an interview with the Portuguese magazine Lux, Mr Correia said: "It is the ideal place for somebody to get rid of a body, practically without leaving any trace." He said Metodo 3 was "very interested" in his information. "Police sources told Lux they did not believe Mr Correia's information was credible.">>> het hele artikel Daily Mail
Toevallig zag ik gisteren bij Pauw & Witteman het interview met Joran van der Sloot & zijn ouders, en hoewel Peter R. de Vries ook aan tafel zat, als advocaat van de duivel, maakten de Van der Slootjes een volstrekt geloofwaardige indruk.quote:Op vrijdag 11 januari 2008 20:14 schreef Suko het volgende:
Sky News were given the very first, exclusive interview with the McCanns just days after the child was reported missing. A bizarre thing for the McCanns to do: selling their story to just one media outlet was the least efective way of getting their message out. An open-to-all press/media conference would have been far more appropriate, but of course would pay far less... It would also would have meant having to answer questions from lots of awkward journalists rather than just the one, with the pre-arranged questions...
For those in the media trade, that was the first real sign that this whole missing child affair was not what it seemed. We have yet to be proved wrong...
Dat vond ik eigenlijk wel voor hem pleiten; hij was zichtbaar getergd door de achterdocht van Peter R., en hij zei: "Maar bent u ook man genoeg om straks, als blijkt dat ik niks met Natalees verdwijning te maken heb, uw excuses aan te bieden?" Dat leek me geen bluf; zoiets zeg je alleen als je een schoon geweten hebt.quote:Op zaterdag 12 januari 2008 11:43 schreef milagro het volgende:
jammer alleen dat Joran na de uitzending alsnog zijn beheersing verloor
Nou, dat klopt dus: net gelezen > Madeleine: No to film will be made unless she's found - alive or deadquote:Op vrijdag 11 januari 2008 21:51 schreef Suko het volgende:
>knip<
Eigenlijk lees ik hier uit dat langzamerhand men het publiek laat 'wennen' dat ze denken dat Madeleine niet meer leeft, tenslotte moet die eventuele film/boek whatever toch een soort einde krijgen, daar houden regisseurs/schrijvers van, en ook het publiek. En het is weer een afleidingsmanouvre, vooral niet de aandacht op de ouders, formeel verdachten, vestigen...
Metodo 3 vond/vindt natuurlijk niks, maar daar zijn ze ook niet voor ingehuurd, behalve dan het onderzoek afleiden, nieuwe 'getuigen' laten opdraven, Murat belasteren en mogelijk ge-ind geld witwassen < die geluiden lees je ook al meer. Zouden ze Madeleine op een gegeven moment gewoon dood laten verklaren? De zaak moet wel door blijven draaien tenslotte...ja gruwelijk van mij gedacht maar niets verbaasd mij meer.quote:Kate and Gerry McCann have been told that the proposed documentary about their daughter's disappearance can go ahead only if she is found – alive or dead. At a meeting last month with entertainment agency IMG, it was explained to the couple's representatives that the search for four-year-old Madeleine must reach a 'conclusion' before production on the film can begin.
A source said: 'It was awkward to raise but there would need to be an ending – either Madeleine being found alive or a body being discovered. "If this wasn't the case, and there was a major development after filming and editing, it could render the documentary redundant."
Channel 4 and production company Darlow Smithson are handling the controversial project and have lined up highly regarded director Louise Osmond. It is thought a film could earn the McCanns as much as £2million, which would help towards the cost of the search for their daughter, who disappeared from the family's holiday apartment in Praia da Luz, Portugal, last May.
The couple's official spokesman, Clarence Mitchell said they would consider only "something done sensitively and considerately". It is believed that the McCanns' representatives were attracted to the proposal because of a previous Darlow Smithson documentary about a teenage girl who vanished in the United States in 2002.
The 14-year-old was snatched from her bedroom in Salt Lake City by a religious maniac but found safe nine months later. There was another blow for the McCanns yesterday when the authorities in Morocco – identified by their detective agency Metodo 3 as a key area in the search for Madeleine – declared there was "no evidence of her being here". Daily Mail
En terecht. Of op zijn minst begrijpelijk.quote:Op zaterdag 12 januari 2008 15:03 schreef Oksel het volgende:
Joran van der Sloot heeft na de uitzending een glas rode wijn in het gezicht van Peter R de Vries gegooid..
(Justice for Madeleine)quote:MADDYWATCH - Anorak’s at-a-glance guide to press coverage of Madeleine McCann
SUNDAY MIRROR: “Tapas 7 in despair at all the ‘lies’”
They say they are also called the Tapas Nine? And the Sangria Seven.
“The Tapas Seven are “in meltdown” over the failure of Portuguese police to make any meaningful progress in the hunt for Madeleine”
“IT’S OUR D-DAY - McCanns return to Portugal - EXCLUSIVE Kate and Gerry set date in April for Algarve showdown They’ll tell cops: show your evidence or clear us for good”. Like that D-Day back on November?
“Despairing Kate and Gerry McCann are planning to return to Portugal for a face-to-face showdown with police who think they killed their daughter Madeleine”
They are going back. Now..?
Well, not exactly: “A close friend said the the couple were likely to go back after their ‘D-Day’ of April 11, when their three-month extension is up, and added: ‘They feel they’ve waited long enough with this cloud of suspicion hanging over them. They know their return would be very high-profile. They believe investigators do not have the evidence against them to bring charges, and their presence in Portugal would embarrass them. They’ve so far held off going back there, but they see it as their trump card”
They will go back once they have been allowed to see the police first on them
Says the paper’s source: “They see April 11 as their D-day. They have decided to give the police reasonable time to clear them, or at least open the case files so they can see the evidence against them”
That’s good of them…
FIONA Philips, of GMTV writes: “Have a heart”. Yes, that Fiona Philips
“Unbelievably, every time I write about the McCanns I get messages saying, ‘I used to like you, until you started supporting the McCanns.’ Nice, eh? So I hope you’re happy now that Kate and Gerry have blamed themselves for Madeleine’s disappearance”
Happy?
“In a list of ‘if onlys’, Gerry said: ‘I wish I’d stayed in the apartment that night.’ Now, I expect more bile on praising them for considering making a documentary on the case. Surely you can’t tell me that there’s a parent out there who wouldn’t do anything possible to find their missing child?”
SUNDAY PEOPLE: “’We pray she’ll be at party for twins’”
“Brave Kate McCann is planning a huge birthday party for her twins - and dreams missing Maddie will be there too. Kate, 39, has vowed to go ahead with the bash for Sean and Amelie even though she is still waiting for cops to quiz her again. Mother-in-law Eileen said: ‘The party’s on and it will be an even bigger one if wee Madeleine is back. All we can do is hope and pray.’ Sean and Amelie turn three on February”
Touching stuff. Gerry McCann is a “heart specialist”
MAIL ON SUNDAY: “Madeleine: No film will be made unless she’s found - alive or dead”
“Kate and Gerry McCann have been told that the proposed documentary about their daughter’s disappearance can go ahead only if she is found – alive or dead.
A source says: “It was awkward to raise but there would need to be an ending – either Madeleine being found alive or a body being discovered. If this wasn’t the case, and there was a major development after filming and editing, it could render the documentary redundant”
Or the parents or some other person or persons are charged, perhaps?
THE OBSERVER: “A good week for … a bad week for …”
“A bad week for …
“Tradition – A Lib Dem MP called Lynne Featherstone has made a bid for the limelight by reporting the monarchy to the Equality Commission because it goes in for primogeniture”
“Marcus Agius The chairman of Barclay’s was the target of £10,000 fraud”
“Good Taste - Or indeed any taste at all. A London based agency which supplies celebrity doubles has employed a small girl to rent out as Madeleine McCann. 20 per cent”
It was a “good weeks for… Washing up”
“THE Maddie story is already a soap opera, so why the moral panic over a movie? - Don’t get me wrong - nobody wants to see Maddie: The Musical. However, needs must if the McCanns want to continue trying to find out what happened to their daughter and they do, despite the devastating expense (their somewhat unproductive detective agency alone costs £50,000 a month) and the increasingly shabby odds.”
Maddie: The Musical, eh..?
THE SUNDAY INDEPENDENT: “Strange case of the detectives trying to trace Madeleine”
“After a week when commercials deals were more apparent than clues, we investigate the investigators”. Why not investigate the case?
“Just when the Madeleine McCann saga couldn’t get any more agonising, along came a raft of developments last week that began to achieve what you would hope would be impossible: turning a little missing girl into an industry – Madeleine Inc. Item: a London agency hawking around various small girls as Madeleine lookalikes. Item: US television bringing a team of psychics to bear on the disappearance as part of what they no doubt hoped would be a money-spinner of a show. Item: her parents, Gerry and Kate McCann, exploring the possibility of selling the book and film rights to the case”
Madeleine became a brand long ago. Brand McCann…
“Madeleine Inc bring benefits to some, but not, so far, to the girl herself or her distraught parents”
Or Madeleine Ink – see the press
THE SUNDAY TIMES: Ron Liddle writes:
“So, get yourself ready for Maddie – The Movie (PG, until you fancy nipping out for something to eat). Kate and Gerry McCann’s press spokesman, Clarence Mitchell, has confirmed that the couple met with representatives from the US entertainment company IMG before Christmas and that while nothing was agreed, the meeting had been ‘positive’. A day later Gerry McCann hastily backtracked and said no, no, they weren’t planning a movie. Who to believe? And which British actors will Hollywood cast as the parents if there is a film? Sacha Baron Cohen and Catherine Tate? Am I bovvered? Look at my face – is it bovvered? And maybe Matt Lucas as the shady-looking Robert Murat? Norman Wisdom as the Portuguese chief of police?”
En dat is nu het missing white girl syndrome.quote:Op woensdag 2 januari 2008 14:42 schreef MouzurX het volgende:
waarom is maddy zo belangrijk eig?? jaarlijks raken en tientallen/honderden kinderen/volwassenen vermist alleen zij krijgt internationaal belangstelling..
-------------------------------quote:A judge in Portugal is to consider whether the suspects in the Madeleine McCann case should have access to the police files about her disappearance. Portuguese law has prevented Robert Murat, 33, and Madeleine's parents, Kate and Gerry, from seeing evidence.
But it is now eight months since Mr Murat was made a suspect - a period which ends the first phase of judicial secrecy, although this can be extended. Madeleine, four, was last seen in Praia da Luz in Portugal on 3 May last year.
Secrecy move
The eight-month deadline means the local prosecutor must inform his superior why he wants more time and how long he needs. The milestone could have brought an end to the restrictions of judicial secrecy surrounding the case. This would have allowed former property developer Mr Murat and the McCanns to see the files of evidence against them.
However, last week the Portuguese prosecutor applied to have the files kept secret, a request that the judge on Monday is likely to agree to. The McCanns' spokesman Clarence Mitchell said the couple were "extremely disappointed" at the move.
'Living in limbo'
Mr Murat's mother, Jenny, 71, has told the BBC she is angry about what has happened to her son, who was the first person in the case to be made an "arguido" - official suspect.
She said he had been living in "limbo" since he was made a suspect on 14 May last year. "It's almost been a nothing," she said of the period. "It's just in my mind 24 hours a day." An extension to Mr Murat's suspect status could be granted on the grounds that the case is one of "exceptional complexity". Madeleine's parents are also both arguidos in the case. Mrs Murat told the BBC that on the night Madeleine was last seen, she and her son had been together at her villa in Praia da Luz.
"I know he didn't leave the house that night," she said. She said she was frustrated at how long he had been a suspect - "and really quite angry that we have been involved in it". But she added: "My strength is that we have told the truth right from the beginning."
Cards boost
Mrs Murat said she and her son had received many cards from people offering their support. "It really makes you feel so good that people are thinking about you," she said.
"I know that it's given Robert a terrific boost." The BBC's Alison Roberts in Portugal said there was no obligation on police or public prosecutors to make any kind of announcement on Monday's developments. She said: "In no case is there any obligation on police or public prosecutors to make any kind of announcement on these developments, nor is it normal for them to do so. "If there is a change in the status of a suspect or suspects, that normally emerges through the lawyers."
Last Tuesday, it was reported that prosecutors had begun moves to re-interview people involved in the case. Among those that could be spoken to are Mr and Mrs McCann themselves and the friends they dined with in Praia da Luz on the night Madeleine was last seen.
Goh, dat is vreemd, weer een pet crematorium, komt dat ons niet bekend voor?quote:Detectives swooped on a pet crematorium in the Gran Canaria town of Telde after a worker there was arrested for attempting to abduct a child.
They were alerted after the terrified 10-year-old girl told her mother how she fought off the man as he attempted to drag her off the street into his van just days ago.
She later picked out former crematorium worker Marcos Cabrera, 37, at an identity parade as the man who had tried to lure her into his van with five euros.
Police were already investigating the disappearance of two other children from the holiday island – easily reachable by plane or ferry from Portugal where Madeleine vanished on May 3.
Goedemiddag all.quote:Op maandag 14 januari 2008 11:56 schreef kahaarin het volgende:
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Goh, dat is vreemd, weer een pet crematorium, komt dat ons niet bekend voor?![]()
>knip<
Goedemorgen all!
Het is idd waarschijnlijk weer een rookgordijn, gelukkig dat dit meisje niet is meegenomen, zullen we er wishfull thinking onzerzijds van maken?quote:Op maandag 14 januari 2008 14:20 schreef Suko het volgende:
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Goedemiddag all.Yep, 'onze' Eef Hoos was even wereldnieuws, de Daily Mail 15th September 2007: Madeleine: Police seal off incinerators Wie is Eef Hoos.
Anyway, zoals ik eerder postte, op een één of andere manier wordt er nu 'gewerkt' aan de dood van Madeleine. Niemand gelooft toch meer in het vinden een levende Madeleine. Metodo 3 is een lachertje gebleken en blijkt betaald door rijkaard Brian Kennedy, niet uit 't fonds. Maar het fonds begint op te drogen, het paar krijgt er van langs op Blogs, en fora, dat kunnnen we niet hebben. What the hack, wat dachten we van o.a. een boek, een docu, een film, gastoptredens én een Europese organisatie voor Missing Childeren olv Kate McCann. Er liggen miljoenen te wachten, celeb-status, maar dan moet een einde worden 'verzonnen.' anders no deals. En zo krijgen we de komende tijd allerlei mogelijk dood/moord-verhalen, mét eventuele dader (of groep), plotselinge getuigen, vermeldingen van eerdere soortgelijke gevallen, dat moet natuurlijk wel, anders zouden we de McCanns alsnog kunnen verdenken, etc etc etc. Maar dan komt er opeens een bewijsbare beschuldiging van op z'n minst neglect en mogelijk moord, met al of niet voorbedachte rade, maar dit is natuurlijk whisfull thinking mijnerzijds...![]()
Reminder: Blood in the flat and in the car confirmed 7-1-2008 (Justice for Madeleine)
Terecht dat Voyeur dit hier plaatst.quote:HARRIS: Well, how do you explain the apparent break-through in the case? You mentioned a break-through a moment ago. Well, there has been a break-through in the case, according to the authorities. How do you explain the blood in the rental car? A car rented more than 20 days after Maddie was reported missing? How do you explain it?
CORNER: It defies explanation, quite frankly. I have no idea. It flies in the face of common sense. I could speculate all day about that, but . . . HARRIS: Well wait a minute, John. I mean this is DNA evidence. This is DNA found in a rental car that was rented by the couple 20 days -- I'm just asking you, how do you explain it?
CORNER: It makes -- I can't explain it. It makes no sense. It makes no sense.
HARRIS: Do you or do you not . . .
CORNER: I just know that . . .
HARRIS: Do you not trust what the authorities are saying to you? Have you talked to Gerry or Kate about the new evidence?
CORNER: No, I haven't. Not about new evidence. Only about the police line of questioning last night. And, quite frankly, it makes no sense to me and I can't speculate on it. You know, it just -- it makes no sense at all.
HARRIS: So the authorities come back, let me just try this on you. The authorities come back to Kate and to Gerry because the question lingers, who leaves a three-year-old to watch two-year-old twins. Who does that?
CORNER: Well, you have to understand the situation. I think the only thing that Kate and Gerry are guilty of is a little bit of complacency. It's a very, very sleepy town. Well, it certainly was before the media . . .
HARRIS: Complacency? How about neglect?
CORNER: There has been police force (ph) . . .
HARRIS: How about neglect? How about child endangerment?
CORNER: Well, I disagree with that. I disagree with that. And if you talk to the International Center for Missing and Exploited Children, they disagree with that, too.
HARRIS: So as a general practice, it's OK with you, in your mind and the way you think for a three-year-old to be left to care for two- year-old twins?
CORNER: I'm not sure that's productive at this stage to talk about that. I mean, I've been to (INAUDIBLE). I've looked at it very carefully myself. And it literally was like sitting in your garden. That's how far away the apartment was.
Vanavond 23.00 uur nieuws op BBC1, een gesprekje met de mum van Murat.quote:HARRIS: How about neglect? How about child endangerment? CORNER: Well, I disagree with that. I disagree with that. And if you talk to the International Center for Missing and Exploited Children, they disagree with that, too.
Er wordt wel wat aan de orde gesteld maar de rest van het artikel vervalt verder in gebep over missing childeren, maar dat kan aan mijn interpretatie liggen hoor.quote:Op maandag 14 januari 2008 20:30 schreef voyeur het volgende:
Suko het artikel maakt duidelijk dat dit wel neglect is en maakt daarom ook die vergelijking. Wat de CPS van LCN DNA vindt is aardig om te weten, maar het gaat er toch hoe de Portugezen daar naar kijken?
Reminder: Blood in the flat and in the car confirmed 7-1-2008 (Justice for Madeleine)quote:"This is what I have expected since the beginning. One cannot hold back the advancement of science. At the same time, care needs to be taken in the gathering of all forensic evidence, and safeguards should be in place to protect the rights of the defendant.
The LCN DNA analysis on the Omagh evidence, as I have posted before, was only run twice. It should have been run three times. And obviously, no one should lie about how evidence was collected, as multiple witnesses seem to have done at Omagh. That alone would be enough, in many cases, to send it to the rubbish bin.
Would anyone like to bet that, following the debacle in Omagh, the FSS will take whatever precautions are necessary to ensure that the results it found in the McCann case - whatever they are - will stand up in court?
I do not know why media sources persist in saying that LCN DNA is legal in only two countries, the Netherlands and New Zealand, when it has been used at trial and not reversed on appeal in AT LEAST The Netherlands, New Zealand, the UK, the USA, Australia, and Sweden.
I suspect what they mean is this: Only two countries have passed laws specifically codifying the legality of the use of LCN DNA.
A particular scientific method can come to be accepted into evidence in one of two ways: (1) The country's parliament passes a law making it legal; or (2) Some judge somewhere allows it admitted into evidence, and either it stands up on appeal or after several such cases the issue has not been appealed.
My guess is that New Zealand and the Netherlands must be the only two countries which have gone the pass-a-law route. That, however, is the less common of the two, and it has many pitfalls in that MPs may be trying to define and describe something they do not understand.
LCN DNA analysis has heretofore not been admitted in court in Portugal. That says nothing whatever about whether it will be admitted in this case. In the first instance, I think the McCanns' attorneys would have some problem arguing against something that has been admitted many times (FSS has performed LCN DNA analysis in approximately 21,000 cases) in their own country.
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