NWS Nieuws & Achtergronden
Discussieer hier diepgaander over de actualiteiten.
Dat hebben ze allemaal gedaan in dat kwartiertje quality-time na vijven, wat dacht jij dan?quote:Op zondag 6 januari 2008 16:53 schreef voyeur het volgende:
"During the day of her disappearance they had all gone for a walk, played tennis, and taken some more snapshots for the family album before relaxing by the pool." Ik dacht dat de huidige lezing van Team McCann was dat de kinderen in de cheche waren die dag?
Een man als Gerry, die met gemak 7 tennislessen op een dag volgt, heeft aan anderhalve minuut relaxen bij het zwembad echt wel genoeg. Intussen neemt hij die snapshots (multitasking is his middle name) en daarna jaagt hij die wandeling er doorheen. Blijven er nog acht minuten over voor een tennisles én het graven van een diepe kuil aan het strand. Oh nee, dat had hij de dag ervoor, op 2 mei, al gedaan. Of eh... sorry, het duizelt me een beetje 
Een goede samenvatting wat Gerry op die dag zoal heeft uitgevreten...quote:Op maandag 7 januari 2008 00:15 schreef Nadine26 het volgende:
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Dat hebben ze allemaal gedaan in dat kwartiertje quality-time na vijven, wat dacht jij dan?
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Ondertussen... gelezen op het Mirror-froum, de krant Correio da Manhã, met meestal accurate info zonder al te veel sensatie:
Exclusive Correio da Manhã
2008-01-7
Maddie's case
Blood in the flat and in the car confirmed
The final result of the tests that arrived recently from England do not leave any doubts to the researcher of the Criminal Police. The blood found in the McCanns car is from Madeline as well as the vestiges detected in the house rented by the British and from where the three years old child disappeared without a trace.
The recent developments of Maddie's case will be available on line Monday morning.
http://www.correiomanha.pt/noticia.asp?id=272690&idselect=181&idCanal=181&p=0
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The front cover of the newspaper says:
Confirmed blood in the flat and in the car
Final results of the British laboratory
The risk of confusion between the genetic profiles of the twins and Maddie was eliminated.
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Ongetwijfelf volgt er meer hierover. Daarom is het niet toevallig dat alle Britse kranten (heel braaf PR-man Clarence Mitchell noterend) die nieuws getuige lanceren, zie de headlines op Anorak.co.uk: Madeleine McCann: An Intruder, Murat’s False Alibi And David Payne Is Murat’s Double Met ook een artikel in de Daily Star:
DAILY STAR: “MURAT’S DOUBLE – Pal is mistaken for Madeleine suspect”
Was it Robert Murat those nine (Sun) witnesses saw the night Madeleine McCann disappeared? Or was it David Payne, the McCanns’ medical friend? The Star has a picture of both men. Add some more hair to Mr Payne’s head and you have a likeness.
Says a source: “What is baffling is that Mr Payne’s own wife and two of his friends are among those who claim to have seen Mr Murat outside the McCanns’ apartment that night. Mrs Payne may not have known Mr Murat well but you’d think a wife would recognise her own husband”
Iets wat ik eerder ook al postte qua gelijkenis. De foto's van Payne en Murat.
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En nog een tranentrekker in de Daily Express van j.l. .zaterdag waar iedereen die arme arme Kate McCann beklaagd maar mij valt alleen dit op, heel handig er even tussendoor in het artikel geplaatst: "According to Gerry’s sister, Tricia Cameron, Kate has been contacted by a children’s charity to do some work for them. The approach came after Kate attended a lunch for the organisation Missing Children International while still in Portugal. “She hasn’t made up her mind yet,” Tricia added. It appears to be understood within the family that whatever she decides, it is highly unlikely that Kate will return to her old job."
Want dat is natuurlijk het nieuws daaruit, Kate gaat zich bezighouden met vermiste kinderen, in juni of nog eerder kondigde ze dat al aan...Met een 'blije' Gerry...
(Justice for Madeleine)
[ Bericht 1% gewijzigd door Suko op 07-01-2008 10:08:31 (typo) ]
quote:Gerry and Kate (the parents of Madeleine McCann) are now aware that the Portuguese detectives believe they have enough proof to charge them; they are planning to travel back to the UK to grill the couple and seven holiday pals.
Although there are many mixed views about what has really happened to Madeleine McCann, it seems that Gerry and Kate McCann could be charged.
The Sunday Mail has reported today that a police source said: “Most of the elements of proof have already been collected. We just want to reconfirm the statements made by the McCanns and their friends.”
Goed, is dit feit of fictie, kunnen we een arrestatie verwachten?
http://www.product-review(...)f-to-charge-parents/
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@ Kahaarin, nou ik denk dat eerst de vragen/verzoeken (voorgelegd aan de McCanns en Tapas-vrienden) nog moeten worden behandeld door Buitenlands Zaken in de UK, olv Mevr. J. Smit. Maar 24 Horas geeft Portugal de schuld: "The State gives 10 days to people that are hired by task to translate judicial documents. In the Madeleine McCann's case, the deadline according to a an employee of the Portimão's Court was met by the translator. Nonetheless according to the same source although the rogatory letter was translated very quickly the same did not yet left Portugal and it is caught in bureaucracy. As it was already published by 24 Horas, the letter aims to question again Maddie's parents and their friends. It is only witnesses evidence. The PJ wants that the British police question again the two arguidos and the other seven persons with whom they dinned about what happened in 3rd of May at the Ocean Club." Bron
En verder is de vriendin van Murat al sinds November 'Arguida' op eigen verzoek.
En verder is de vriendin van Murat al sinds November 'Arguida' op eigen verzoek.
(Justice for Madeleine)quote:"The German lover of Madeleine McCann suspect Robert Murat has been made an official suspect herself in the case, according to a Portuguese newspaper today. The tabloid 24 Horas reported that Michaela Walczuch was named an arguida - or official suspect - in November and that her alibi is still being investigated by Portuguese detectives.
She is the fourth person to be named an official suspect in the case - along with her boyfriend Murat and Gerry and Kate McCann.
The newspaper claimed that Ms Walczuch, 31, gave evidence as a witness in November. However, shortly after she began giving her statement her status was changed to arguida, claimed the newspaper. "Robert Murat's lawyer Francisco Pagarete said Ms Walczuch was made an arguida while she was being interviewed by detectives in November last year.
Mr Pagarete told 24 Horas: "Both (Murat and Michaela) were initially notified as witnesses and when they appeared at the interview, of their own free will, they were made arguidos (formal suspects) because they said that would give them more defence guarantees.
"There's nothing special about the position of arguido. But it was an unethical move by the officers of the Policia Judiciaria who interviewed Robert Murat and Michaela." "The claim has not been confirmed and last month Ms Walczuch insisted she had only been interviewed once by police and that was in May." Het hele artikel>> Daily Mail
Oh dus, vliegen afvangen en dingen roepen voordat het z'n beslag heeft, komt me bekend voor, jou niet?quote:Op maandag 7 januari 2008 11:34 schreef Suko het volgende:
@ Kahaarin, nou ik denk dat eerst de vragen/verzoeken (voorgelegd aan de McCanns en Tapas-vrienden) nog moeten worden behandeld door Buitenlands Zaken in de UK, olv Mevr. J. Smit. Maar 24 Horas geeft Portugal de schuld: "The State gives 10 days to people that are hired by task to translate judicial documents. In the Madeleine McCann's case, the deadline according to a an employee of the Portimão's Court was met by the translator. Nonetheless according to the same source although the rogatory letter was translated very quickly the same did not yet left Portugal and it is caught in bureaucracy. As it was already published by 24 Horas, the letter aims to question again Maddie's parents and their friends. It is only witnesses evidence. The PJ wants that the British police question again the two arguidos and the other seven persons with whom they dinned about what happened in 3rd of May at the Ocean Club." Bron
En verder is de vriendin van Murat al sinds November 'Arguida' op eigen verzoek.
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(Justice for Madeleine)
Natuurlijk is de vriendin van Murat vrijwillig arguida, dan kan ze iig een beetje bescherming van de wet verwachten, nu hoeft ze niets te zeggen en krijgt ze inzage.
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quote:A claim that the lover of Madeleine McCann suspect Robert Murat had herself been made a suspect in the case was denied today.
Tabloid 24 Horas reported that Michaela Walczuch was named an arguida - or official suspect - in November and that her alibi is still being investigated by Portuguese detectives.
But today Portuguese police officials denied the story and Mr Murat's lawyer Francisco Pagarete said only his client was an official suspect in the case.
Ehm, Suko?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=506547&in_page_id=1770&ito=newsnow
be nice or go away
PJ received the final results last friday
The results confirm that Maddie died in the apart and was moved inside the car
PJ will begin now new diligencias
PJ run out complety the abduction theory
This was told by PJ on TV and thats the news we have today in our news
Aldus een portugese vanmorgen.
The results confirm that Maddie died in the apart and was moved inside the car
PJ will begin now new diligencias
PJ run out complety the abduction theory
This was told by PJ on TV and thats the news we have today in our news
Aldus een portugese vanmorgen.
Here we are now, entertain us.
Is dit naar aanleiding van de langzame dna testen?quote:Op maandag 7 januari 2008 13:09 schreef voyeur het volgende:
PJ received the final results last friday
The results confirm that Maddie died in the apart and was moved inside the car
PJ will begin now new diligencias
PJ run out complety the abduction theory
This was told by PJ on TV and thats the news we have today in our news
Aldus een portugese vanmorgen.
Waarbij een beetje DNA vermeerderd wordt en dan uitgelezen?
Die hadden we idd nog niet voorbij zien komen, die resultaten dan.
Heb je een link?
Dit is namelijk iets waar ik babbelfish wel eens op wil loslaten.
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Ze hebben dat verhaal moeten terugdraaien, is geupdate at 11:39am on 7th January 2008 "A claim that the lover of Madeleine McCann suspect Robert Murat had herself been made a suspect in the case was denied today." Daily Mail Good one Clarrie...quote:Op maandag 7 januari 2008 12:57 schreef kahaarin het volgende:
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Ehm, Suko?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=506547&in_page_id=1770&ito=newsnow
We hadden het kunnen weten, 24horas....quote:Op maandag 7 januari 2008 13:13 schreef Suko het volgende:
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Ze hebben dat verhaal moeten terugdraaien, is geupdate at 11:39am on 7th January 2008 "A claim that the lover of Madeleine McCann suspect Robert Murat had herself been made a suspect in the case was denied today." Daily Mail Good one Clarrie...
Wat denk jij van bovenstaande vertaling?quote:However, the 24 Horas newspaper said that shortly after she began giving her statement her status was changed.
Ik wil dat artikel wel eens zien.....
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Volgens mij heb ik het gevonden, dit was echter na vertalen met babbelfish, kan iemand er wat meer licht op schijnen?quote:Portuguese the Judiciaria Police is to a step to formally accuse the parents of Madeleine McCann, the disappeared British girl from the 3 of May in the south of that country, when requesting the seizure of deprived newspapers of the mother as it demonstrates for a judgment in his against. According to the English newspaper The Sun informed yesterday, thinks that the personal agenda, written by Kate McCann during the days in which her daughter disappeared, can demonstrate the theory according to which she assassinated to Mameleine. The lusos agents had copied some pages del daily, that gave back to the McCann, but now want that notebook as she demonstrates makes specific against the pair. Under the Portuguese law, only original documents can be used in a judgment as it demonstrates. The arguments to maintain the process seem somewhat banal nevertheless. The Portuguese press published parts of which it creates is "fundamental" evidence that it implies to Kate, of 39 years, in the murder of his daughter that are a summary of the tension of the mother by the care of their children. The texts indicate that the medical one was "histérica" with the behavior of Madeleine, and said not to be able to tolerate the care of their children. The Gerry cardiologist, also of 39 years, is described by his wife like "an absent" father, to whom does not matter to leave to him to his woman the care of the children, while he relaxes during the vacations. The friends of the McCann indicated that the reports about the decision of the Police to seize the personal newspaper of Kate are an attempt to more soil the name of the pair a loss of prestige campaign "". In addition, they affirmed that some of the parts mentioned by the police could be falsified. While, the Portuguese detectives glide to travel in the next days to Great Britain to return to interrogate the friends of the McCann, who had supper with them the night of the disappearance of Madeleine. The agents look for to clarify what they consider like "serious inconsistencias" in the testimonies of the seven British who spent their vacations with the pair in the Portuguese bath of Praia gives Light. The Police suspects that the girl was assassinated by her parents and their body transferred in a Renault Scenic rented by the McCann 25 days after the disappearance of Madeleine. The agents also are interested in seizing the invoices of telephone of the pair during the period in which the girl disappeared, a Bible and the doll Cuddle Cat that the girl in her bed left the night in which was Vista for the last time.
Edit, of je vertaalt een Spaanse tekst niet in het Portugees!
Ook een bericht dat niet in de ebgelstalige pers is geweest, zeer selectief allemaal.
http://www.clarin.com/diario/2008/01/06/elmundo/i-02601.htm
Hiermee vertaald: http://babelfish.altavista.com/tr
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Het is mogelijk niet de PJ zelf geweest die dit verteld heeft, maar een lek. Dat lijkt me waarschijnlijker en wordt ook bevestigd door de Portugese krant Correio da Manhã van vandaagquote:Op maandag 7 januari 2008 13:09 schreef voyeur het volgende:
PJ received the final results last friday
The results confirm that Maddie died in the apart and was moved inside the car
PJ will begin now new diligencias
PJ run out complety the abduction theory
This was told by PJ on TV and thats the news we have today in our news
Aldus een portugese vanmorgen.
Here we are now, entertain us.
Spreek/lees jij Portugees?quote:Op maandag 7 januari 2008 13:40 schreef voyeur het volgende:
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Het is mogelijk niet de PJ zelf geweest die dit verteld heeft, maar een lek. Dat lijkt me waarschijnlijker en wordt ook bevestigd door de Portugese krant Correio da Manhã van vandaag
Ik zou graag een vertaling hebben en babbelfish helpt niet zo...
be nice or go away
Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 3:22 am Post subject: Exclusive Correio da Manhã 7/1/2008
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Exclusive Correio da Manhã
2008-01-7
Maddie's case
Blood in the flat and in the car confirmed
The final result of the tests that arrived recently from England do not leave any doubts to the researcher of the Criminal Police. The blood found in the McCanns car is from Madeline as well as the vestiges detected in the house rented by the British and from where the three years old child disappeared without a trace.
The recent developments of Maddie's case will be available on line Monday morning.
http://www.correiomanha.pt/not.....81&p=0
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The front cover of the newspaper says:
Confirmed blood in the flat and in the car
Final results of the British laboratory
The risk of confusion between the genetic profiles of the twins and Maddie was eliminated.
Portugees is me te moeilijk, ik lees wat Spaans dus ik kan het net genoeg begrijpen om te zien dat bovenstaande Engelse versie geen verzinsel van een poster is.
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Exclusive Correio da Manhã
2008-01-7
Maddie's case
Blood in the flat and in the car confirmed
The final result of the tests that arrived recently from England do not leave any doubts to the researcher of the Criminal Police. The blood found in the McCanns car is from Madeline as well as the vestiges detected in the house rented by the British and from where the three years old child disappeared without a trace.
The recent developments of Maddie's case will be available on line Monday morning.
http://www.correiomanha.pt/not.....81&p=0
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The front cover of the newspaper says:
Confirmed blood in the flat and in the car
Final results of the British laboratory
The risk of confusion between the genetic profiles of the twins and Maddie was eliminated.
Portugees is me te moeilijk, ik lees wat Spaans dus ik kan het net genoeg begrijpen om te zien dat bovenstaande Engelse versie geen verzinsel van een poster is.
Here we are now, entertain us.
Heel fijn, dankjewel, ik zou bijna zeggen dus toch, even zien hoe zich dit ontwikkeld in de Britse pers, als dit echt waar is dan zou ik het ongelooflijk vinden dat ze toch dit hele circus op gang hebben gebracht.quote:Op maandag 7 januari 2008 14:05 schreef voyeur het volgende:
Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 3:22 am Post subject: Exclusive Correio da Manhã 7/1/2008
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Exclusive Correio da Manhã
2008-01-7
Maddie's case
Blood in the flat and in the car confirmed
The final result of the tests that arrived recently from England do not leave any doubts to the researcher of the Criminal Police. The blood found in the McCanns car is from Madeline as well as the vestiges detected in the house rented by the British and from where the three years old child disappeared without a trace.
The recent developments of Maddie's case will be available on line Monday morning.
http://www.correiomanha.pt/not.....81&p=0
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The front cover of the newspaper says:
Confirmed blood in the flat and in the car
Final results of the British laboratory
The risk of confusion between the genetic profiles of the twins and Maddie was eliminated.
Portugees is me te moeilijk, ik lees wat Spaans dus ik kan het net genoeg begrijpen om te zien dat bovenstaande Engelse versie geen verzinsel van een poster is.
Dit zouden dan te testen moeten zijn die op 3 december hier werden genoemd:
http://www.timesonline.co(...)e/article2988242.ecequote:The Forensic Science Service in Birmingham had tested samples of “body fluids” and hair taken from the holiday apartment where Madeleine disappeared in Praia da Luz on May 3 and her parents’ hire car. They have also been examining DNA samples and fingerprints from more than 100 British holidaymakers at the Ocean Club resort.
Guilhermino Encarnação, director of the Portuguese police team searching for Madeleine, said: “The Judicial Police have asked the laboratory to carry out more tests and exhaust every possibility of obtaining conclusive results.” Mr Encarnação told the Spanish newspaper El PaÍs that a team of four Portuguese experts who visited the FSS last week had been told that there was no significant new evidence.
[ Bericht 23% gewijzigd door kahaarin op 07-01-2008 14:17:48 ]
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Darn! Dat stond toch ook in mijn eerdere post? Een exclusive nog wel.... Ook het international persbureau Reuters komt met deze droge mededeling: * Police confirm there were traces of blood found in the home and car of the parents of missing four-year old Madeleine McCann (Correio da Manha).
Ik denk het ook Kahaarin wat die testen in december betreft. Laten we hopen dat er een keer iets op gang komt, dit is werkelijk schandelijk langzaam.
Ook het international persbureau Reuters komt met deze droge mededeling: * Police confirm there were traces of blood found in the home and car of the parents of missing four-year old Madeleine McCann (Correio da Manha). Ik denk het ook Kahaarin wat die testen in december betreft. Laten we hopen dat er een keer iets op gang komt, dit is werkelijk schandelijk langzaam.
Ja, idd, en niks op de links van de OP, alleen in het portugees, daar komt mijn poging tot vertalen met babbelfish vandaan, wat moeten de touwtjes strak in de handen van de McCann mediamachine zitten dat dit niet hot news is, ongeloofelijk.quote:Op maandag 7 januari 2008 14:18 schreef Suko het volgende:
Darn! Dat stond toch ook in mijn eerdere post? Een exclusive nog wel....
Ik denk het ook Kahaarin wat die testen in december betreft. Laten we hopen dat er een keer iets op gang komt, dit is werkelijk schandelijk langzaam.
Zie edit in mijn vorige post, een Spaanse tekst vertalen met portugees naar engels helpt niet nee.
[ Bericht 7% gewijzigd door kahaarin op 07-01-2008 14:36:09 ]
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Dit is waar de Britse pers zich mee bezig houdt:
Wat een wassen neus, nog een bericht zoals Suko al eerder postte, nog steeds niets over de resultaten.
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http://www.thisishampshir(...)adeleine_witness.phpquote:A HAMPSHIRE father has become a key witness in the search for Madeleine McCann after telling police about a suspicious man he confronted at the same flats, just days before she went missing.
Paul Gordon, from Fareham, and his family spent a fortnight in the same Portugal holiday apartment last April, immediately before the McCanns arrived.
During their visit Mr Gordon, 34, confronted a suspicious charity collector just outside the flats, while his own two children were asleep inside.
When he found the man outside the glass patio doors at the back of the two-bedroom apartment in Praia da Luz, the stranger claimed to be collecting money for an orphanage.
Back home, the brewery sales executive immediately contacted police about his experience when news of Madeleine's disappearance first broke.
Mr Gordon has subsequently also been interviewed by the team of private detectives working on the case on behalf of Madeleine's parents, Kate and Gerry McCann.
Wat een wassen neus, nog een bericht zoals Suko al eerder postte, nog steeds niets over de resultaten.
Het duurt wel lang met Reuters, als het niet waar was dan hadden ze het al wel gerectificeerd en was er al wel een gloeiende preek van de Mediamensen van de McCanns gekomen denk ik.quote:LISBON, Jan 7 (Reuters) - Following are some of the main Portuguese stories in newspapers on Monday. Reuters has not verified these stories and does not vouch for their accuracy.
[ Bericht 15% gewijzigd door kahaarin op 07-01-2008 14:46:24 ]
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Ze zullen wel een keer moeten berichten Kahaarin, anyway, hier is een vertaling van een update:
Correio da Manha - UPDATE
rough google translation while waiting on Li or another translator:
The final result of the examinations arrived in England recently but has not questions for researchers of the Judicial Police. The blood found in the car of McCann will be the same Madeleine, as the traces found in the house rented by the English and where the child, then three years old, disappeared without trace.
The investigation continues, however, in a deadlock. Without corpse and no confessions will be available to parents of the girl create a doubt in court. Not because of the quality of the traces, but the method used in the collection. "Being a trace that is not visible to the naked eye is necessary to use the 'low copy number." This means that are extracted genetic profiles of all persons who left traces there. It is not contamination of evidence, but the possibility, almost academic, to be someone who has a genetic profile similar to the junction of many, "said the CM a source expert of the process.
In this scenario - and the parents of Maddie may create a doubt that everything is just a huge coincidence - the authorities continue to demand the blow of fate that can change the course of the investigation. The steps that will happen in the coming weeks in England - the interrogations to friends of McCann and seizure of items such as log-Kate - mean that.
There are also hamper this investigation to frame criminal concerned. Inspectors PJ argue that the treaty will be an accident, which puts the crime in terms of accidental or negligent homicide. The other crimes are of concealment of corpse and simulation of abduction, and that in any event provides pre-trial detention and the use of evidence such as bugging.
According to the CM found, even if the friends of the couple English add nothing to research the investigation should result in indictment public. The same, however, will be the responsibility of the prosecutor, the PJ can only give a suggestion of legal qualification.
Kate and Gerry McCann also will never be tried in Portugal, the process, when completed, followed in England, where he will be assessed by the Justice that country.
MADELEINE It DAUGHTER OF GERRY AND KATE MCCANN
The possibility of Gerry and Kate are not parents of Maddie - as given by some newspaper'24 Hours' - never became an academic hypothesis, refused at the beginning of the investigation when it was collected the DNA of the child disappeared. Designed by artificial insemination, the genetic heritage of the child belongs to the couple McCann.
DNA IS NOT THE BROTHERS GÉMEOS
Many traces collected by the PJ and there is no chance of those assigned to be the Maddie twin brothers, Sean and Amélie. This hypothesis has been checked and all the tests were repeated in Portugal and England. They have also been collected in two different moments, in May and in August, by researchers from the Laboratory of Forensic Science and specialists of the Institute of Legal Medicine.
MEETING IN ENGLAND
Researchers from the PJ and the experts of the Legal Medicine were England to examine the collection of trace.
REPETIDOS IN TWO COUNTRIES
Traces collected to reach the DNA of Maddie analyzed in Portugal and also in London.
RASTO OF BLOOD NO DEIXA QUESTIONS TO RESEARCHERS
It is not just the fact that they have been found traces match the DNA of Maddie leading researchers to believe that they are facing a case of death. They are also the places where they were found allowing the Judiciary Police will reconstruct what happened to the child, on the night of May 3 and the subsequent days.
Firstly, the British dogs detected odors of the fourth corpse in the car boot and the clothes that Kate used that night. Then, were found the traces of blood, not visible to the naked eye, which indicate the presence of the corpse of the girl behind a sofa in the fourth bag of the car that was rented only 22 days later.
The PJ also took account of the analysis of various details during the investigation: from the way the furniture was placed in the home until the testimonies of neighbours.
Then again be the key testimony of Pamela Fenn, the British who lived in the top floor occupied by McCann. The day before the disappearance of the girl that moradora heard the screams of Maddie. The child cried and screamed for the father, and the audible descontrolo mother's emotional.
Pamela Fenn has even speak with McCann on the noise made by children, that incomodava while McCann promised that the situation does not repeat.
The CM knows that all traces pointing to the presence of Maddie's house in the village of Praia da Luz permit also set a track the movement of the body. What then was hidden in unknown location and transported to a place also not determined.
Remember also that the British dogs detected after the smell of corpses next to the spare tire and the keys of the car used by the couple for several months. It was also in that first place (luggage) that the animals returned to find traces of a biological DNA that corresponds to the girl English and whose results exclude the possibility of belonging to the twin brothers.
AS CERTEZAS RESEARCH OFFICER
ODOR OF CADÁVER
The British dogs detected odor of corpses in the room where Maddie was last and in the clothes of Kate. The PJ gives great credibility to this trace, as it is specially trained dogs
SOZINHAS
The children of the group that accompanied the McCann were alone in the room from 20:00.
TRANSPORT
For PJ is a certainty. If Maddie walked in the car of parents can only have been after dead. The Renault Scénic was only leased to May 25 last year.
HOW MORREU
The PJ does not know how Maddie died. The collection of traces and the place where they were found conducts research to a scenario of death, but there are only hints about what will have happened that night.
WHERE IS THE CADÁVER
The discovery of the corpse of Maddie could explain the whole crime later. Only an autopsy would determine what actually happened to the child English, by-gone of the day on May 3.
HOUSE OF ROBERT MURAT REVIRADA
The house of Robert Murat was twice revirada by the Judiciary Police, which sought traces of the passage of the girl. In any of the situations found any evidence, any genetic profile that coincide with the Madeleine. Also the car, Murat and his mother were the subject of expertise, but the result has returned to zero. Even so - and because in recent months some friends of McCann ensure Murat have seen in the vicinity of the village on the night of the disappearance - the PJ did not propose the closing of the case with the British. Go to remain as accused before the end of the police investigation.
NOTES
SCIENTIFIC PROOF
Without confessions or corpse, PJ bet everything on the scientific proof: it is never absolute and that needs to be crossed with other elements.
MEDICINES FOR SLEEPING
The assumption had been calming kids to sleep has always been equated. However, there is no test that demonstrates.
APREENSÃO OF DAILY
The diary of Kate can be seized in the coming weeks. It is essential to devise a psychological profile of the mother of the child British.
Mirror-forum
(Justice for Madeleine)
Correio da Manha - UPDATE
rough google translation while waiting on Li or another translator:
The final result of the examinations arrived in England recently but has not questions for researchers of the Judicial Police. The blood found in the car of McCann will be the same Madeleine, as the traces found in the house rented by the English and where the child, then three years old, disappeared without trace.
The investigation continues, however, in a deadlock. Without corpse and no confessions will be available to parents of the girl create a doubt in court. Not because of the quality of the traces, but the method used in the collection. "Being a trace that is not visible to the naked eye is necessary to use the 'low copy number." This means that are extracted genetic profiles of all persons who left traces there. It is not contamination of evidence, but the possibility, almost academic, to be someone who has a genetic profile similar to the junction of many, "said the CM a source expert of the process.
In this scenario - and the parents of Maddie may create a doubt that everything is just a huge coincidence - the authorities continue to demand the blow of fate that can change the course of the investigation. The steps that will happen in the coming weeks in England - the interrogations to friends of McCann and seizure of items such as log-Kate - mean that.
There are also hamper this investigation to frame criminal concerned. Inspectors PJ argue that the treaty will be an accident, which puts the crime in terms of accidental or negligent homicide. The other crimes are of concealment of corpse and simulation of abduction, and that in any event provides pre-trial detention and the use of evidence such as bugging.
According to the CM found, even if the friends of the couple English add nothing to research the investigation should result in indictment public. The same, however, will be the responsibility of the prosecutor, the PJ can only give a suggestion of legal qualification.
Kate and Gerry McCann also will never be tried in Portugal, the process, when completed, followed in England, where he will be assessed by the Justice that country.
MADELEINE It DAUGHTER OF GERRY AND KATE MCCANN
The possibility of Gerry and Kate are not parents of Maddie - as given by some newspaper'24 Hours' - never became an academic hypothesis, refused at the beginning of the investigation when it was collected the DNA of the child disappeared. Designed by artificial insemination, the genetic heritage of the child belongs to the couple McCann.
DNA IS NOT THE BROTHERS GÉMEOS
Many traces collected by the PJ and there is no chance of those assigned to be the Maddie twin brothers, Sean and Amélie. This hypothesis has been checked and all the tests were repeated in Portugal and England. They have also been collected in two different moments, in May and in August, by researchers from the Laboratory of Forensic Science and specialists of the Institute of Legal Medicine.
MEETING IN ENGLAND
Researchers from the PJ and the experts of the Legal Medicine were England to examine the collection of trace.
REPETIDOS IN TWO COUNTRIES
Traces collected to reach the DNA of Maddie analyzed in Portugal and also in London.
RASTO OF BLOOD NO DEIXA QUESTIONS TO RESEARCHERS
It is not just the fact that they have been found traces match the DNA of Maddie leading researchers to believe that they are facing a case of death. They are also the places where they were found allowing the Judiciary Police will reconstruct what happened to the child, on the night of May 3 and the subsequent days.
Firstly, the British dogs detected odors of the fourth corpse in the car boot and the clothes that Kate used that night. Then, were found the traces of blood, not visible to the naked eye, which indicate the presence of the corpse of the girl behind a sofa in the fourth bag of the car that was rented only 22 days later.
The PJ also took account of the analysis of various details during the investigation: from the way the furniture was placed in the home until the testimonies of neighbours.
Then again be the key testimony of Pamela Fenn, the British who lived in the top floor occupied by McCann. The day before the disappearance of the girl that moradora heard the screams of Maddie. The child cried and screamed for the father, and the audible descontrolo mother's emotional.
Pamela Fenn has even speak with McCann on the noise made by children, that incomodava while McCann promised that the situation does not repeat.
The CM knows that all traces pointing to the presence of Maddie's house in the village of Praia da Luz permit also set a track the movement of the body. What then was hidden in unknown location and transported to a place also not determined.
Remember also that the British dogs detected after the smell of corpses next to the spare tire and the keys of the car used by the couple for several months. It was also in that first place (luggage) that the animals returned to find traces of a biological DNA that corresponds to the girl English and whose results exclude the possibility of belonging to the twin brothers.
AS CERTEZAS RESEARCH OFFICER
ODOR OF CADÁVER
The British dogs detected odor of corpses in the room where Maddie was last and in the clothes of Kate. The PJ gives great credibility to this trace, as it is specially trained dogs
SOZINHAS
The children of the group that accompanied the McCann were alone in the room from 20:00.
TRANSPORT
For PJ is a certainty. If Maddie walked in the car of parents can only have been after dead. The Renault Scénic was only leased to May 25 last year.
HOW MORREU
The PJ does not know how Maddie died. The collection of traces and the place where they were found conducts research to a scenario of death, but there are only hints about what will have happened that night.
WHERE IS THE CADÁVER
The discovery of the corpse of Maddie could explain the whole crime later. Only an autopsy would determine what actually happened to the child English, by-gone of the day on May 3.
HOUSE OF ROBERT MURAT REVIRADA
The house of Robert Murat was twice revirada by the Judiciary Police, which sought traces of the passage of the girl. In any of the situations found any evidence, any genetic profile that coincide with the Madeleine. Also the car, Murat and his mother were the subject of expertise, but the result has returned to zero. Even so - and because in recent months some friends of McCann ensure Murat have seen in the vicinity of the village on the night of the disappearance - the PJ did not propose the closing of the case with the British. Go to remain as accused before the end of the police investigation.
NOTES
SCIENTIFIC PROOF
Without confessions or corpse, PJ bet everything on the scientific proof: it is never absolute and that needs to be crossed with other elements.
MEDICINES FOR SLEEPING
The assumption had been calming kids to sleep has always been equated. However, there is no test that demonstrates.
APREENSÃO OF DAILY
The diary of Kate can be seized in the coming weeks. It is essential to devise a psychological profile of the mother of the child British.
Mirror-forum
(Justice for Madeleine)
Dankjewel, ook leuk dat forum, ben jij dit: lynnkx ?quote:Op maandag 7 januari 2008 14:50 schreef Suko het volgende:
Ze zullen wel een keer moeten berichten Kahaarin, anyway, hier is een vertaling van een update:
De aversie tegen CM en het gebruik van Spin gaf me dat idee.
be nice or go away
Madeleine: Investigation results
Tests mark Maddie's death
The definitive result of the tests that recently arrived from England left no doubts for the Policia Judiciaria's investigators. The blood that was found in the McCanns' car is really from Madeleine, just like the residues that were detected in the house that was rented by the English couple, and from where the child, then aged three, disappeared from without a trace.
The investigation, nevertheless, continues at an impass. Without a cadaver and without any confessions, it will still be possible for the child's parents to create a doubt in court. Not because of the quality of the residues, but because of the method that was used to collect them. "When the residue is not visible to the naked eye, it is necessary to use the 'low copy number'. Which means that the genetic profiles of every person that left traces at the location are extracted. This is not about the contamination of evidence, but about the possibility, an almost academic one, that there is someone who has a genetic profile that is the same as the junction of several others", a source that knows the process has told CM.
Within this scenario - and as Maddie's parents could create the doubt that this is nothing but a huge coincidence - the authorities continue to look for a lucky strike that may change the course of the investigation. The diligences that will be carried out in England over the coming weeks - the questioning of the McCanns' friends and the apprehension of objects like Kate's diary - mean precisely that.
Another barrier for this investigation is the penal context that is at its core. The PJ's inspectors defend that it was an accident, which places the crime on the level of an accidental or negligent homicide. The rest of the crimes are those of concealment of a cadaver and simulation of an abduction, which under no circumstances foresees preventive imprisonment, and the use of evidence like phone listening.
As far as CM was able to discover, even if the friends of the English couple don't add anything to the investigation, the inquiry will most likely produce a public accusation. This is an action that falls under the responsibility of the Public Ministery, though, and the PJ can only suggest the juridical qualification.
Kate and Gerry McCann will also never be judged in Portugal, as the process will be sent to England after it is concluded, where it will be appreciated by that country's Justice.
Madeleine is the daughter of Gerry and Kate McCann
The possibility that Gerry and Kate are not Maddie's parents - given as certain by the 24Horas newspaper - was never anything but an academical possibility, which was dismissed at the beginning of the investigation when the DNA of the missing child was collected. Conceived through artificial insemination, the child's genetic patrimony belongs to the McCann couple.
DNA is not from the twin siblings
Many residues were collected by the PJ, and there is no possibility that those that are attributed to Maddie come from her twin siblings, Sean and Amelie. That possibility was verified, and all the tests were repeated in Portugal and in England. They were also collected at two different moments in time, in May and in August, by investigators from the Scientific Police Lab and experts from the Institute for Legal Medicine.
(...)
Blood trail leaves the investigators without doubts
It is not only the fact that traces have been found which coincide with Maddie's DNA, that leads the investigators to believe that this is a death case. It is also the locations where those were found which allow the Policia Judiciaria to reconstruct what happened to the child, on the evening of the 3rd of May, and on the following days.
In the first place, the English dogs detected cadaver odours in the bedroom, in the car boot and on the clothes that Kate was wearing that evening. Then, blood traces were found, not visible to the naked eye, that indicate the presence of the little girl's cadaver behind a sofa in the bedroom and in the boot of the car that was only rented 22 days later.
The PJ also took into account the analysis of several details during the investigation: from the way the furniture was placed inside the house, until the statements of neighbours.
There, the statement of Pamela Fenn, the English citizen that lived in the apartment that was located above the one that was occupied by the McCanns, became fundamental again. On the day before the day that the child disappeared, the local resident heard Maddie's screams. The child cried and screamed for her father, while the emotional lack of control from her mother was audible.
Pamela Fenn even spoke to the McCanns about the noise the children made, which disturbed her, and the McCanns promised that the situation would not be repeated.
CM knows that all the traces that point to the presence of Maddie in the house of the resort in Praia da Luz also allow to define a trail for the passage of the body. Which was then hidden in an unknown location and transported to another unknown location.
It is also reminded that the English dogs later detected the smell of the cadaver next to the spare tire and on the keys of the car that was used by the couple for several months. It was also in that first location (car boot) that the animals again found biological residues from a DNA that matches that of the English girl, and which gave results that dismiss the possibility that they belonged to her twin siblings.
De non babelfish versie van deel 1 van het artikel. Rest volgt kennelijk later vandaag. De info doorstaat mijn basistest voor 'tabloid' verzinsels. Er zitten wat details in die niet op het internet circuleerden en redelijk geloofwaardig zijn.
De vetgedrukte delen zijn opmerkelijk. Dat Kate zo out of control was maakt dat sommige mensen denken dat daarom en op dat moment Gerry uit zijn tapas bar gehaald is door het personeel. Het andere vetgedrukte is verbazingwekkend. Ik weet zo vlug even niet waarom het proces in GB gevoerd zou kunnen/moeten worden. Volgens mij is dat onmogelijk.
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Tests mark Maddie's death
The definitive result of the tests that recently arrived from England left no doubts for the Policia Judiciaria's investigators. The blood that was found in the McCanns' car is really from Madeleine, just like the residues that were detected in the house that was rented by the English couple, and from where the child, then aged three, disappeared from without a trace.
The investigation, nevertheless, continues at an impass. Without a cadaver and without any confessions, it will still be possible for the child's parents to create a doubt in court. Not because of the quality of the residues, but because of the method that was used to collect them. "When the residue is not visible to the naked eye, it is necessary to use the 'low copy number'. Which means that the genetic profiles of every person that left traces at the location are extracted. This is not about the contamination of evidence, but about the possibility, an almost academic one, that there is someone who has a genetic profile that is the same as the junction of several others", a source that knows the process has told CM.
Within this scenario - and as Maddie's parents could create the doubt that this is nothing but a huge coincidence - the authorities continue to look for a lucky strike that may change the course of the investigation. The diligences that will be carried out in England over the coming weeks - the questioning of the McCanns' friends and the apprehension of objects like Kate's diary - mean precisely that.
Another barrier for this investigation is the penal context that is at its core. The PJ's inspectors defend that it was an accident, which places the crime on the level of an accidental or negligent homicide. The rest of the crimes are those of concealment of a cadaver and simulation of an abduction, which under no circumstances foresees preventive imprisonment, and the use of evidence like phone listening.
As far as CM was able to discover, even if the friends of the English couple don't add anything to the investigation, the inquiry will most likely produce a public accusation. This is an action that falls under the responsibility of the Public Ministery, though, and the PJ can only suggest the juridical qualification.
Kate and Gerry McCann will also never be judged in Portugal, as the process will be sent to England after it is concluded, where it will be appreciated by that country's Justice.
Madeleine is the daughter of Gerry and Kate McCann
The possibility that Gerry and Kate are not Maddie's parents - given as certain by the 24Horas newspaper - was never anything but an academical possibility, which was dismissed at the beginning of the investigation when the DNA of the missing child was collected. Conceived through artificial insemination, the child's genetic patrimony belongs to the McCann couple.
DNA is not from the twin siblings
Many residues were collected by the PJ, and there is no possibility that those that are attributed to Maddie come from her twin siblings, Sean and Amelie. That possibility was verified, and all the tests were repeated in Portugal and in England. They were also collected at two different moments in time, in May and in August, by investigators from the Scientific Police Lab and experts from the Institute for Legal Medicine.
(...)
Blood trail leaves the investigators without doubts
It is not only the fact that traces have been found which coincide with Maddie's DNA, that leads the investigators to believe that this is a death case. It is also the locations where those were found which allow the Policia Judiciaria to reconstruct what happened to the child, on the evening of the 3rd of May, and on the following days.
In the first place, the English dogs detected cadaver odours in the bedroom, in the car boot and on the clothes that Kate was wearing that evening. Then, blood traces were found, not visible to the naked eye, that indicate the presence of the little girl's cadaver behind a sofa in the bedroom and in the boot of the car that was only rented 22 days later.
The PJ also took into account the analysis of several details during the investigation: from the way the furniture was placed inside the house, until the statements of neighbours.
There, the statement of Pamela Fenn, the English citizen that lived in the apartment that was located above the one that was occupied by the McCanns, became fundamental again. On the day before the day that the child disappeared, the local resident heard Maddie's screams. The child cried and screamed for her father, while the emotional lack of control from her mother was audible.
Pamela Fenn even spoke to the McCanns about the noise the children made, which disturbed her, and the McCanns promised that the situation would not be repeated.
CM knows that all the traces that point to the presence of Maddie in the house of the resort in Praia da Luz also allow to define a trail for the passage of the body. Which was then hidden in an unknown location and transported to another unknown location.
It is also reminded that the English dogs later detected the smell of the cadaver next to the spare tire and on the keys of the car that was used by the couple for several months. It was also in that first location (car boot) that the animals again found biological residues from a DNA that matches that of the English girl, and which gave results that dismiss the possibility that they belonged to her twin siblings.
De non babelfish versie van deel 1 van het artikel. Rest volgt kennelijk later vandaag. De info doorstaat mijn basistest voor 'tabloid' verzinsels. Er zitten wat details in die niet op het internet circuleerden en redelijk geloofwaardig zijn.
De vetgedrukte delen zijn opmerkelijk. Dat Kate zo out of control was maakt dat sommige mensen denken dat daarom en op dat moment Gerry uit zijn tapas bar gehaald is door het personeel. Het andere vetgedrukte is verbazingwekkend. Ik weet zo vlug even niet waarom het proces in GB gevoerd zou kunnen/moeten worden. Volgens mij is dat onmogelijk.
[ Bericht 1% gewijzigd door voyeur op 07-01-2008 15:15:53 ]
Here we are now, entertain us.
Kan je denken, maarquote:Op maandag 7 januari 2008 15:04 schreef Xith het volgende:
Goh, dit topic is lekker snel verandert in een Soap-slowChat voor GTST kijkende huisvrouwen...
a) ben ik geen huisvrouw, zelfs geen vrouw
b) heb ik GTST nog nooit gezien
c) is het nogal een schandaal dat sommige mensen dus behoorlijk bezighoudt.
Here we are now, entertain us.
Huh? Ha ha nee hoor, ik zou wel willen posten daar maar mijn Engels is te beroerd, lezen gaat best maar goed en begrijpelijk Engels schrijven is een heel andere zaak. Ik post alleen hier op Fok, da's voor mij voldoende, ben voor de rest een super-lurker, ook leuk.quote:Op maandag 7 januari 2008 14:56 schreef kahaarin het volgende:
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Dankjewel, ook leuk dat forum, ben jij dit: lynnkx ?
De aversie tegen CM en het gebruik van Spin gaf me dat idee.
Same here, alleen ben ik wel een dame...quote:Op maandag 7 januari 2008 15:09 schreef voyeur het volgende:
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Kan je denken, maar
a) ben ik geen huisvrouw, zelfs geen vrouw
b) heb ik GTST nog nooit gezien
c) is het nogal een schandaal dat sommige mensen dus behoorlijk bezighoudt.
Ik zag een post met die woorden staan en dacht dat ik iets bekends zag, het is jouw schuld dat ik net een heel topic daar gelezen heb, damn, nog meer bij te houden.....quote:Op maandag 7 januari 2008 15:09 schreef Suko het volgende:
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Huh? Ha ha nee hoor, ik zou wel willen posten daar maar mijn Engels is te beroerd, lezen gaat best maar goed en begrijpelijk Engels schrijven is een heel andere zaak. Ik post alleen hier op Fok, da's voor mij voldoende, ben voor de rest een super-lurker, ook leuk.
be nice or go away
Dat dus, ach ja, neerbuigend doen en vervelende dingen posten is makkelijker dan je mening geven of gewoon wegblijven, hij zit de komende tijd met dit topic in zijn myat moet je maar denken.quote:Op maandag 7 januari 2008 15:11 schreef Suko het volgende:
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Same here, alleen ben ik wel een dame...
be nice or go away
Deel twee van bovenstaand artikel:
THE CERTAINTIES OF THE POLICE INVESTIGATION
CADAVER SMELL. The British dogs detected cadaver smell in the room where Maddie was for the last time and in Kate's clothing. The PJ gives a lot of credibility to this vestige, since the dogs are specially trained.
ALONE. The children of the group accompanying the McCanns were left alone in the room from 20:00 on.
TRANSPORTATION. It's a certainty for the PJ. If Maddie rode in her parents car if can only be after she was dead. The Renault Scénic was only rented on May 25 of last year.
WHAT THE PJ DOESN'T KNOW
HOW SHE DIED. The PJ does not know how Maddie died. The collected vestiges and the place where they were found lead the investigation into a scenario of death, but there are only guesses about what may have happened that night.
WHERE THE CORPSE IS. The discovery of Maddie's body might explain all the subsequent crime. Only the autopsy might determine what effectively happened to the British child that has been missing since May 3.
INVESTIGATION RESULTS
SCIENTIFIC PROOF. In the absence of confessions or a body, the PJ bet everything on the scientific proof, that is never absolute and needs to be cross-checked with other elements.
SLEEPING MEDICINE. The possibility of tranquilizers having been given to the children was always considered. However, there are no exams that confirm it.
APPREHENSION OF THE DIARY. Kate’s diary may be apprehended in the next few weeks. The diary is fundamental to draw a psychological profile of the British child’s mother.
THE CERTAINTIES OF THE POLICE INVESTIGATION
CADAVER SMELL. The British dogs detected cadaver smell in the room where Maddie was for the last time and in Kate's clothing. The PJ gives a lot of credibility to this vestige, since the dogs are specially trained.
ALONE. The children of the group accompanying the McCanns were left alone in the room from 20:00 on.
TRANSPORTATION. It's a certainty for the PJ. If Maddie rode in her parents car if can only be after she was dead. The Renault Scénic was only rented on May 25 of last year.
WHAT THE PJ DOESN'T KNOW
HOW SHE DIED. The PJ does not know how Maddie died. The collected vestiges and the place where they were found lead the investigation into a scenario of death, but there are only guesses about what may have happened that night.
WHERE THE CORPSE IS. The discovery of Maddie's body might explain all the subsequent crime. Only the autopsy might determine what effectively happened to the British child that has been missing since May 3.
INVESTIGATION RESULTS
SCIENTIFIC PROOF. In the absence of confessions or a body, the PJ bet everything on the scientific proof, that is never absolute and needs to be cross-checked with other elements.
SLEEPING MEDICINE. The possibility of tranquilizers having been given to the children was always considered. However, there are no exams that confirm it.
APPREHENSION OF THE DIARY. Kate’s diary may be apprehended in the next few weeks. The diary is fundamental to draw a psychological profile of the British child’s mother.
Here we are now, entertain us.
Dankje voyeur, opmerkelijk dat er nog niets in de Britse pers staat, alsof iedereen vol spanning zijn adem in houdt, ik verwacht binnenkort een statement van Clarence Mitchel, dan zal er wellicht iets meer duidelijk worden.
be nice or go away
Nou eindelijk, The Sun komt met het verhaal:
'Blood samples were Maddie's'
Een Tapas-member heeft mogelijk uit de school geklapt: "Being reported on DE forum that a Tapas 1 member is in Portugal giving a fresh statement" > Mirror-forum, maar voor dat bericht moet je verder op een ander forum inloggen, wat ik niet van plan ben.
(Justice for Madeleine)
'Blood samples were Maddie's'
En de Daily Mail komt nu ook met de eventuele verwarring rond Murat en Payne.quote:BLOOD traces discovered in Kate and Gerry McCann's hire car were missing Maddie's, it was sensationally claimed today.
A Portuguese newspaper alleges that tests conducted at a UK laboratory show conclusively that the blood is that of the four-year-old. Portuguese cops also apparently believe the tests back up the theory that the McCanns moved Madeleine after she died in their holiday appartment.
Kate and Gerry have vehemently denied any involvement in their daughter's disappearance. A blood sample was reportedly found by police in the boot of the Renault Scenic Kate and Gerry hired 25 days after Madeleine went missing.
A second blood sample reportedly found in their Praia da Luz holiday flat was also claimed to have come from Madeleine. Daily newspaper Correio da Manha reported: “The definitive result of the tests recently sent from England leave no doubts for the Policia Judiciaria.
“The blood found in the McCanns’ car is that of Madeleine, as well as those samples detected in the flat rented by the English and where the child, then three years old, disappeared without trace.” DNA tests already conducted at the Birmingham Forensic Science Service lab have reportedly been inconclusive.
Een Tapas-member heeft mogelijk uit de school geklapt: "Being reported on DE forum that a Tapas 1 member is in Portugal giving a fresh statement" > Mirror-forum, maar voor dat bericht moet je verder op een ander forum inloggen, wat ik niet van plan ben.
(Justice for Madeleine)
En een mooi stuk van wederom Spudgun die eerder op een briljante wijze de Britse pers helemaal onderuit haalde.
That Policia Judiciaria Apology to the UK in FULL
On behalf of the entire Policia Judiciaria, may I take this opportunity to deeply and most sincerely apologise to the esteemed peoples of the United Kingdom for ever daring to give consideration to the possibility that Saint Gerry and Kate McCann, Patron Saints of Rothley, could ever have been responsible for the disappearance of their daughter, Madeleine.
We now realise our own despicable ineptitude, inabilities and incompetence in failing to resolve this case, for which we feel intense shame.
It should have been obvious to even the most imbecilic of police forces that, upon arrival at the Mark warner holiday complex and having the parents explain how the shutters to their apartment had been forced and smashed open, their doors unlocked, their versions of events and statements wildly differing, that Madeleine was clearly abducted.
The fact that their entire party of friends and colleagues had marched, charged and ventured all over the apartment, destroying any possible evidence of what took place there is irrelevant and is a damning indictment on our useless forensics department.
It is now abundantly clear to us that we should have immediately released a description of the prime suspect, as described in perfect detail, by Jane Tanner, instead of waiting for the Right Honourable Gordon Brown to insist that we do so 3 weeks after the event and after our useless scene of crime officers had dismissed it as being entirely fictitious on the grounds that not only did two other witnesses NOT see the abductor, but they didn’t see Jane Tanner either.
As for those English Cadaver dogs that apparently scented ‘Death’on the garments and accessories of Mrs. McCann, we can only reiterate that it is easy for such matters to become confused during the translation process. We now fully understand that ‘Eau du Corpse’ is, in fact, a latest designer perfume from France, specifically designed for wear by professional women who come into contact with an inordinately high number of cadavers during the course of a typical working week.
And those DNA test results from your Birmingham FSS Forensic services? We now fully accept that although they represent a partial match to Madeleine, stated as 88% from one source, to a 100% ‘non transferable’ match as quoted on SKY, FOX and CBS news, they are equally likely to have been derived from a partially decaying packet of Walls Pork sausages.
As for all those other allegations, ‘leaks’ inaccuracies and ‘unhelpful speculation’ that has appeared in our press since May, apportioning blame on to the McCanns, I can assure you that they have collectively hung their heads in shame and are working tirelessly to match those standards set by those Holy Grails of informative Press, the ‘SUN’, ‘DAILY MAIL’, ‘DAILY EXPRESS’ and the ‘MIRROR‘.
It remains for me only to say that we will gladly donate the entirety of our pension funds, as issued on our imminent dismissal from the force for our incompetence, to the ‘Madeleine McCann Fund’ so that Mr and Mrs McCann can continue their tireless search for their daughter and for the truth, and to travel in order to bring compassion, understanding and education about the dangers of evil Predators to the world.
Either that or to pay for their Mortgage and future Holidays for the next12 years.
We shall also insist on a Nationwide collection towards the fund from the citizens of Portugal. Including those who took a week off work to scurry around on their hands on knees to search through the dirt with their bare hands for clues. These ‘Bumpkins’ must also suffer the consequences of their countries failings.
We can only hope that our replacements will take up the gauntlet of Justice and pursue this case, sifting through the miriad of Sex offenders that dwell on every street corner and home in Portuga in order to establish the real culprit and ensure that he faces Justice. Either that or enlist him into the PJ alongside all the other paedophiles and woman beaters.
I, myself, am now off to apply to join Metodo 3, where their respective efforts have done more to unearth the real truth of this mystery than any other efforts here in Portugal.
Yours,
Senor S. Muncher Bron
(Justice for Madeleine)
That Policia Judiciaria Apology to the UK in FULL
On behalf of the entire Policia Judiciaria, may I take this opportunity to deeply and most sincerely apologise to the esteemed peoples of the United Kingdom for ever daring to give consideration to the possibility that Saint Gerry and Kate McCann, Patron Saints of Rothley, could ever have been responsible for the disappearance of their daughter, Madeleine.
We now realise our own despicable ineptitude, inabilities and incompetence in failing to resolve this case, for which we feel intense shame.
It should have been obvious to even the most imbecilic of police forces that, upon arrival at the Mark warner holiday complex and having the parents explain how the shutters to their apartment had been forced and smashed open, their doors unlocked, their versions of events and statements wildly differing, that Madeleine was clearly abducted.
The fact that their entire party of friends and colleagues had marched, charged and ventured all over the apartment, destroying any possible evidence of what took place there is irrelevant and is a damning indictment on our useless forensics department.
It is now abundantly clear to us that we should have immediately released a description of the prime suspect, as described in perfect detail, by Jane Tanner, instead of waiting for the Right Honourable Gordon Brown to insist that we do so 3 weeks after the event and after our useless scene of crime officers had dismissed it as being entirely fictitious on the grounds that not only did two other witnesses NOT see the abductor, but they didn’t see Jane Tanner either.
As for those English Cadaver dogs that apparently scented ‘Death’on the garments and accessories of Mrs. McCann, we can only reiterate that it is easy for such matters to become confused during the translation process. We now fully understand that ‘Eau du Corpse’ is, in fact, a latest designer perfume from France, specifically designed for wear by professional women who come into contact with an inordinately high number of cadavers during the course of a typical working week.
And those DNA test results from your Birmingham FSS Forensic services? We now fully accept that although they represent a partial match to Madeleine, stated as 88% from one source, to a 100% ‘non transferable’ match as quoted on SKY, FOX and CBS news, they are equally likely to have been derived from a partially decaying packet of Walls Pork sausages.
As for all those other allegations, ‘leaks’ inaccuracies and ‘unhelpful speculation’ that has appeared in our press since May, apportioning blame on to the McCanns, I can assure you that they have collectively hung their heads in shame and are working tirelessly to match those standards set by those Holy Grails of informative Press, the ‘SUN’, ‘DAILY MAIL’, ‘DAILY EXPRESS’ and the ‘MIRROR‘.
It remains for me only to say that we will gladly donate the entirety of our pension funds, as issued on our imminent dismissal from the force for our incompetence, to the ‘Madeleine McCann Fund’ so that Mr and Mrs McCann can continue their tireless search for their daughter and for the truth, and to travel in order to bring compassion, understanding and education about the dangers of evil Predators to the world.
Either that or to pay for their Mortgage and future Holidays for the next12 years.
We shall also insist on a Nationwide collection towards the fund from the citizens of Portugal. Including those who took a week off work to scurry around on their hands on knees to search through the dirt with their bare hands for clues. These ‘Bumpkins’ must also suffer the consequences of their countries failings.
We can only hope that our replacements will take up the gauntlet of Justice and pursue this case, sifting through the miriad of Sex offenders that dwell on every street corner and home in Portuga in order to establish the real culprit and ensure that he faces Justice. Either that or enlist him into the PJ alongside all the other paedophiles and woman beaters.
I, myself, am now off to apply to join Metodo 3, where their respective efforts have done more to unearth the real truth of this mystery than any other efforts here in Portugal.
Yours,
Senor S. Muncher Bron
(Justice for Madeleine)
Zo dan, wat heerlijk sarcasties en neerbuigend, schitterend, hoe boos moet je zijn om zo iets te schrijven.Hij heeft wel gelijk, de minste speculatie in 24horas werd uitgemolken als het in de kraam van de McCanns te pas kwam, alles en iedereen in het geweer voor die arme ouders, een mediacircus van heb ik jou daar, PI's en media mensen Clarence Mitchel voorop, en wat zijn we verder?
Bijna helemaal niets, alleen maar steeds grotere aanwijzingen dat de ouders er iets mee te maken hebben, wellicht hadden er eerder zulke resultaten behaald kunnen worden als de politie in Portugal vanaf het begin beter hadden opgelet, ik blijf van mening dat zij hun handen niet helemaal schoon hebben, fouten zijn er wel degelijk gemaakt.
Het feit dat ze waarschijnlijk gelijk hebben doet niets af aan het feit dat ze geen fatsoenlijk onderzoek hebben gedaan, dan hadden de McCanns misschien al wel in de cel gezeten, zo overtuigd als die eerste rechercheur belast met het onderzoek ook was, hij heeft nagelaten zijn werk goed te doen omdat hij zo overtuigd was van zijn gelijk, zeker weten is imho iets anders dan dat dan ook daadwerkelijk kunnen bewijzen.
be nice or go away
Zeg mede Maddy volgers. Ik trof dit vandaag aan in een betoog:
"Thats regarded as one of the few facts here and local PJ and GNR say that the only people to have been in it [in het apartement van de McCanns] were under cover detectives watching after the McCanns moved out posing as tourists to put the McCanns under a false sence of security making them think that there was no suspicion , the same as when they returned The Renault to them but replaced all the interior of the boot linings with replacement original equipment and sent the real stuff to west midlands uk. "
Beide listen waren mij tot nu toe ontgaan. Als het waar is verklaart dat wel waarom ze de Scenic zo lief teruggaven en team McCann vervolgens zelf testen uitvoerde die negatief uitpaken. Mooi bij die nase genomen.
Overigens is de opvatting sterk dat de berechting niet in Portugal zal zijn omdat men daar de zaak wil laten vallen. Ze hebben geen zin in een langdradig proces dat nog veel meer slechte publiciteit genereert voor het land en vooral de tourisme industrie. Dat zou de opmerking in de Portuges krant verklaren dat als er al een zaak komt deze in de UK zal zijn.
"Thats regarded as one of the few facts here and local PJ and GNR say that the only people to have been in it [in het apartement van de McCanns] were under cover detectives watching after the McCanns moved out posing as tourists to put the McCanns under a false sence of security making them think that there was no suspicion , the same as when they returned The Renault to them but replaced all the interior of the boot linings with replacement original equipment and sent the real stuff to west midlands uk. "
Beide listen waren mij tot nu toe ontgaan. Als het waar is verklaart dat wel waarom ze de Scenic zo lief teruggaven en team McCann vervolgens zelf testen uitvoerde die negatief uitpaken. Mooi bij die nase genomen.
Overigens is de opvatting sterk dat de berechting niet in Portugal zal zijn omdat men daar de zaak wil laten vallen. Ze hebben geen zin in een langdradig proces dat nog veel meer slechte publiciteit genereert voor het land en vooral de tourisme industrie. Dat zou de opmerking in de Portuges krant verklaren dat als er al een zaak komt deze in de UK zal zijn.
Here we are now, entertain us.
En nog een mooi stuk proza van een poster die de reactie van Team McCann vast beschrijft:
This may need the full range of weaponry...
A "ludicrous"....
A "not enough proof"...
A ghosted article in a leading Sunday "Kate and Gerry had for many months been worried about Madeleine's propensity for nose bleeds. The blood would go everywhere. Even on to Cuddle Cat which is probably how it came to be in the back of the Scenic. They found these episodes distressing. Too distressing to mention to anyone else." That sort of thing.
Maybe even a "mystery witness":
Metodo 3 are looking for a man seen tampering with the boot of McCanns' hire car. A Mr. Mad of Colchester said: "It's only now, nearly a year later that I have come to realise the significance of what I saw. I witnessed a man who looked like Robert Murat. He had a test tube of blood in one hand and a cigarette in the other. With his free hand he was tampering with the boot. When I challenged him he replied that he was collecting children for an orphanage in Morocco, which seemed perfectly plausible at the time."
Tony Parsons has rounded on "the scu'm scientists who have nothing better to do than carry out geeky experiments on the McCann's car, and all just because
the poor di'ck-shrivellers can't get a half way decent girl into bed. Everyone knows they are innocent and will remain so however much evidence is accumulated to the contrary."
Pippa Daley-Knightley, another columnist, defends the action of the McCanns: "What's happened to good old common sense. Can't people drive around with blood in the boot? I remember once I inadvertently left my child in the car during high summer when I took the dog for a walk. Owing to the soaring temperature she was clawing at the catch on the boot in a desperate attempt to get out and the top of her finger was sliced off. There was blood everywhere - but hey, wake up and smell the coffee, that's reality for you. There is nothing untoward in the actions of the McCanns."
En nog bedankt Suko dat je me van al mijn vrije tijd beroofd hebt omdat ik nu het Mirror forum ook nog moet bijhouden
This may need the full range of weaponry...
A "ludicrous"....
A "not enough proof"...
A ghosted article in a leading Sunday "Kate and Gerry had for many months been worried about Madeleine's propensity for nose bleeds. The blood would go everywhere. Even on to Cuddle Cat which is probably how it came to be in the back of the Scenic. They found these episodes distressing. Too distressing to mention to anyone else." That sort of thing.
Maybe even a "mystery witness":
Metodo 3 are looking for a man seen tampering with the boot of McCanns' hire car. A Mr. Mad of Colchester said: "It's only now, nearly a year later that I have come to realise the significance of what I saw. I witnessed a man who looked like Robert Murat. He had a test tube of blood in one hand and a cigarette in the other. With his free hand he was tampering with the boot. When I challenged him he replied that he was collecting children for an orphanage in Morocco, which seemed perfectly plausible at the time."
Tony Parsons has rounded on "the scu'm scientists who have nothing better to do than carry out geeky experiments on the McCann's car, and all just because
the poor di'ck-shrivellers can't get a half way decent girl into bed. Everyone knows they are innocent and will remain so however much evidence is accumulated to the contrary."
Pippa Daley-Knightley, another columnist, defends the action of the McCanns: "What's happened to good old common sense. Can't people drive around with blood in the boot? I remember once I inadvertently left my child in the car during high summer when I took the dog for a walk. Owing to the soaring temperature she was clawing at the catch on the boot in a desperate attempt to get out and the top of her finger was sliced off. There was blood everywhere - but hey, wake up and smell the coffee, that's reality for you. There is nothing untoward in the actions of the McCanns."
En nog bedankt Suko dat je me van al mijn vrije tijd beroofd hebt omdat ik nu het Mirror forum ook nog moet bijhouden
Here we are now, entertain us.
quote:Op maandag 7 januari 2008 20:38 schreef voyeur het volgende:
En nog een mooi stuk proza van een poster die de reactie van Team McCann vast beschrijft:
This may need the full range of weaponry...
A "ludicrous"....
A "not enough proof"...
A ghosted article in a leading Sunday "Kate and Gerry had for many months been worried about Madeleine's propensity for nose bleeds. The blood would go everywhere. Even on to Cuddle Cat which is probably how it came to be in the back of the Scenic. They found these episodes distressing. Too distressing to mention to anyone else." That sort of thing.
Maybe even a "mystery witness":
Metodo 3 are looking for a man seen tampering with the boot of McCanns' hire car. A Mr. Mad of Colchester said: "It's only now, nearly a year later that I have come to realise the significance of what I saw. I witnessed a man who looked like Robert Murat. He had a test tube of blood in one hand and a cigarette in the other. With his free hand he was tampering with the boot. When I challenged him he replied that he was collecting children for an orphanage in Morocco, which seemed perfectly plausible at the time."
Tony Parsons has rounded on "the scu'm scientists who have nothing better to do than carry out geeky experiments on the McCann's car, and all just because
the poor di'ck-shrivellers can't get a half way decent girl into bed. Everyone knows they are innocent and will remain so however much evidence is accumulated to the contrary."
Pippa Daley-Knightley, another columnist, defends the action of the McCanns: "What's happened to good old common sense. Can't people drive around with blood in the boot? I remember once I inadvertently left my child in the car during high summer when I took the dog for a walk. Owing to the soaring temperature she was clawing at the catch on the boot in a desperate attempt to get out and the top of her finger was sliced off. There was blood everywhere - but hey, wake up and smell the coffee, that's reality for you. There is nothing untoward in the actions of the McCanns."
En nog bedankt Suko dat je me van al mijn vrije tijd beroofd hebt omdat ik nu het Mirror forum ook nog moet bijhouden
Mooi stuk en geen dank hoor, keep reading... @ Kahaarin, natuurlijk zijn er fouten gemaakt alhoewel de Britse politie nooit klachten heeft geuit, waarbij gezegd moet worden dat ook in Engeland de justitie mega-blunders heeft begaan in vele vele onderzoeken/rechtszaken. Maar Spudgun heeft het met name over de Britse pers, ook The Guardian/Independent IMO, die hebben het ernstig laten afweten. Onderzoeksjournalistiek werd/wordt even niet bedreven...hoe zal dat straks gaan???
@ Voyeur, wat slim dan eigelijk van die sardinevreters (in je voorgaande post wat betreft het zich voordoen als toeristen e.d.) zoals een aantal Britse journo's Portugesen wensen te betitelen. En misschien is het wel goed om de McCanns in de UK voor het gerecht te slepen, DNA (met name Low copy number DNA) mag dan wel ter disussie staan maar daders en getuigen zijn in eigen land makkelijker benaderbaar en dat is tijdwinst. In Portugal zijn ze terecht de hele kwestie goed beu, opzouten zullen ze denken, gelijk hebben ze.
(Justice for Madeleine)
En kijk kijk, nu komt de Daily Mail met het verhaal maar dan wel ergens in het midden:
(Justice for Madeleine)quote:"But yesterday a second Portuguese newspaper, Correio da Manha, claimed blood found in the McCanns' holiday apartment and hire car had been proved to be Madeleine's.
It reported that tests carried out by the Forensic Science Service in Birmingham had proved conclusively that microscopic traces of blood found behind a sofa in the apartment had come from the girl. And it said samples of bodily fluids found in the Renault Scenic, hired by the McCanns 25 days after their daughter went missing, were also definitely from Madeleine and could not have come from the two-year-old twins Sean and Amelie.
Portuguese police believe the findings support their theory that Madeleine died in an accident in her parents' care and that they hid her body and faked her abduction to cover up her death. It was previously believed that forensic tests had proved inconclusive, but more samples were sent for testing last month and the laboratory has also been using the controversial Low Copy Number technique to study microscopic samples.
Use of the technique in British legal cases was suspended last year after a judge criticised its use in the trial of the Omagh bomb suspect Sean Hoey. The couple's spokesman Clarence Mitchell called for the police to end their 'distressing' leaks to the Portuguese media and said Mr and Mrs McCann wanted to be re-interviewed and cleared as suspects.
He said: "It is ridiculous to suggest that Madeleine's blood was in the hire car, because she was never in it. It was hired over 20 days after she went missing which means it was impossible for her to ever have been in it. "Kate and Gerry were in no way involved in her death. Nor were they involved in disposing of her body. To suggest otherwise is ridiculous."
Portuguese police have prepared legal documents asking their British counterparts to re-interview the McCanns' seven friends who dined with them on the night of May 3. Detectives want to question alleged contradictions in the statements of the group and anxious to speak to Russell O'Brien and Jane Tanner following claims that the pair want to change their statements. They have denied any suggestion they want to alter their accounts of the night of May 3."
Nu ik toch even 'los' ga...
En hoe hypocriet is de Telegraph.co.uk dan wel niet... Clarence Mitchell werd in deze krant schaamteloos geciteerd zonder zelf op zoek te gaan.
Are spin doctors taking over the world?
Gordon Brown has recruited a leading financial spin doctor to become his new "principal” adviser, the latest high profile advancement of a PR expert into the public sphere.
Stephen Carter, chief executive of the Brunswick public relations firm, will attend Cabinet meetings and attempt to steer Mr Brown away from the sort of scandals which dogged him in 2007.
Last year, the Conservative Party appointed Andy Coulson, not a spin doctor but, as a former editor of the News of the World, wise to the ways of PR, as director of communications.
The rise and rise of the profession is not confined to politics: even the McCann family, campaigning to find their daughter Madeleine, sought the help of a former BBC journalist, Clarence Mitchell, to manage their publicity.
When did PR become so important? Are spin doctors taking over the world? If so, does it matter?
Is there any hope of curtailing the influence of spin in today’s media-savvy society?
(Justice for Madeleine)
En hoe hypocriet is de Telegraph.co.uk dan wel niet... Clarence Mitchell werd in deze krant schaamteloos geciteerd zonder zelf op zoek te gaan.
Are spin doctors taking over the world?
Gordon Brown has recruited a leading financial spin doctor to become his new "principal” adviser, the latest high profile advancement of a PR expert into the public sphere.
Stephen Carter, chief executive of the Brunswick public relations firm, will attend Cabinet meetings and attempt to steer Mr Brown away from the sort of scandals which dogged him in 2007.
Last year, the Conservative Party appointed Andy Coulson, not a spin doctor but, as a former editor of the News of the World, wise to the ways of PR, as director of communications.
The rise and rise of the profession is not confined to politics: even the McCann family, campaigning to find their daughter Madeleine, sought the help of a former BBC journalist, Clarence Mitchell, to manage their publicity.
When did PR become so important? Are spin doctors taking over the world? If so, does it matter?
Is there any hope of curtailing the influence of spin in today’s media-savvy society?
(Justice for Madeleine)
Nog even voordat iemand anders hier op de pc wil, een mogelijke domper...van Spudgun.
I still fear that a Trial will not occur......
Those that have tolerated my witterings on here over the Months will probably recal that I have opined this previously. I still fear that Kate and Gerry McCann will avoid both a Trial and, indeed, any charges of any kind.
Now before you start thinking that I've taking to emulating our resident exacerbater- at- large, Tiberius 7, hear me out.
The true secret of disinformation is to both vary its tune and its frequency. Which is why, for periods of time, the Press will publish on a daily basis, the unequivocal rubbish as produced by those intrepid heroes, Metodo 3. Before you can manage to get your head around yet another sighting in Morocco, you get hit with a new witness from Portugal. Half way through digesting that, you learn that Maddie is alive and well and on the verge of rescue, except that she is now in Saudi Arabia. Or wherever it was that another witness saw her with Murats girlfriend. Or wife. Or Mother. Or perhaps she's not all that safe and well at all, given that she was stolen to order by a North African paedophile ring.
You see? Before you can assess and determine a lie, you get hit with another. And another.
Irrespecive of what truly happened on, or around the 3rd May, there have been some reported constants. Some notions that have remained unchanged.Namely, that the Portuguese suspect the McCanns of being complicit in the disappearance of their daughter, that there does appear to be some DNA evidence and that there are irregular and contravening statements that possibly implicate the McCanns. Oh, and the McCanns are still arguidos.
There is no question in my mind that, were the McCanns to return tomorrow of their own volition, to Portugal, they would be arrested and the so called 'unanswered questions' put to them. Which means that, by remaining in the UK, they are being offered a modicum of protection.
We have been awaiting the so called 'regoratory letters' for some time now. To be specific, since late September. Around FIFTEEN WEEKS!!!
More to the point, in Mid October, Paulo Rebelo, after taking over the helm in his new position within the PJ, spoke on Portuguese Television. He said then that, like we have heard today, he had been assured by FSS that the samples DID match Madeleine McCanns, and that members of his team were preparing to fly out to re-interrogate the Tapas 7, the regoratory letters having been prepared.
Alas, on the 18th October, Gordon Brown had a 'private meeting' with Jose Socrates about the Madeleine case. Press reports and TV reports at the time state that this meeting was to ensure
"that the police authorities are taking the actions that are necessary and there's proper cooperation between the British and Portuguese police".
That "co-operation" has so far resulted in that plane load of investigating PJ detectives going missing, (presumably on route to the UK via the Bermuda Triangle), and almost daily newspaper reports suggesting that the regoratory letters really are almost ready. Throughout November. And December. Except the Home Office here apparently decided to let the McCanns enjoy Christmas before facing any questions. Although which Christmas and how many of them they failed to elaborate on.
Because here we are, at the end of the first week of the New Year. The papers are still assuring us that 'next week' the PJ are coming knocking. Except theyv'e been saying that for weeks.
Perhaps, when Gordon Brown was alleged to have said he was "preparing the public" for the developments in this case, maybe he was referring to something else. Maybe he was wanting to get the Lisbon Treaty out of the way, maybe he was awaiting the results of another court case, the findings of which he already knew about, the Omagh Case. How on earth could anyone allow those poor McCanns to face a trial built predominantly on DNA evidence already rubbished here in the UK? Not just casting doubts on the validity of but seriously RUBBISHED.
Immediately after the McCanns were made arguidos, the Press here toyed with the idea of the McCanns guilt. Or at least they gave consideration to the possibility that the PJ actually might have had some evidence. The result? The Home Secretary, Jacqui Smith, (no less), appeared on TV to tell the Media to "stop speculating and allow us all to return to finding Madeleine" Presumably, Ms.Smith doesn't consider the daily asanine drivel, purportedly coming from Metodo3, to be speculative or restrictive in the search for Madeleine.
Perhaps, like Clarence and Metodo 3, Mr. Brown feels that the continued daily onslaught of lies and garbage will disorientate the populace to such a degree that we will utterly refuse to believe a further, single word on the matter. Mirror-forum
(Spudgun maakt in 't begin een verwijzing naar Tiberius 7 omdat die poster een verklaard pro-McCann is)
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En dat zou zo maar eens kunnen. Ik zelf heb nog een mogelijk aanwijzing qua 'bescherming' van Gerry McCann door Gordon Brown ivm, een mega-operatie (vandaag gelanceerd) wat het volgende betreft: Health screening plans unveiled "Patients in England will be offered screening for early signs of heart disease, stroke and kidney disease, Prime Minister Gordon Brown has said." BBC
Men kan er van uitgaan dat ook de British Heart Foundation hier mee te maken heeft en dan kom men vanzelf dit feitje tegen: "Gerry has gone back to work half-days, and has finally told the British Heart Foundation he plans to go ahead with the research fellowship they awarded him, a week before he was accused of being involved in his daughter’s death. He had told me, weeks ago, about the six-figure grant and how it meant almost nothing in terms of professional advancement, but might one day help in the prevention and treatment of heart disease." The Times December 16, 2007
(Justice for Madeleine)
I still fear that a Trial will not occur......
Those that have tolerated my witterings on here over the Months will probably recal that I have opined this previously. I still fear that Kate and Gerry McCann will avoid both a Trial and, indeed, any charges of any kind.
Now before you start thinking that I've taking to emulating our resident exacerbater- at- large, Tiberius 7, hear me out.
The true secret of disinformation is to both vary its tune and its frequency. Which is why, for periods of time, the Press will publish on a daily basis, the unequivocal rubbish as produced by those intrepid heroes, Metodo 3. Before you can manage to get your head around yet another sighting in Morocco, you get hit with a new witness from Portugal. Half way through digesting that, you learn that Maddie is alive and well and on the verge of rescue, except that she is now in Saudi Arabia. Or wherever it was that another witness saw her with Murats girlfriend. Or wife. Or Mother. Or perhaps she's not all that safe and well at all, given that she was stolen to order by a North African paedophile ring.
You see? Before you can assess and determine a lie, you get hit with another. And another.
Irrespecive of what truly happened on, or around the 3rd May, there have been some reported constants. Some notions that have remained unchanged.Namely, that the Portuguese suspect the McCanns of being complicit in the disappearance of their daughter, that there does appear to be some DNA evidence and that there are irregular and contravening statements that possibly implicate the McCanns. Oh, and the McCanns are still arguidos.
There is no question in my mind that, were the McCanns to return tomorrow of their own volition, to Portugal, they would be arrested and the so called 'unanswered questions' put to them. Which means that, by remaining in the UK, they are being offered a modicum of protection.
We have been awaiting the so called 'regoratory letters' for some time now. To be specific, since late September. Around FIFTEEN WEEKS!!!
More to the point, in Mid October, Paulo Rebelo, after taking over the helm in his new position within the PJ, spoke on Portuguese Television. He said then that, like we have heard today, he had been assured by FSS that the samples DID match Madeleine McCanns, and that members of his team were preparing to fly out to re-interrogate the Tapas 7, the regoratory letters having been prepared.
Alas, on the 18th October, Gordon Brown had a 'private meeting' with Jose Socrates about the Madeleine case. Press reports and TV reports at the time state that this meeting was to ensure
"that the police authorities are taking the actions that are necessary and there's proper cooperation between the British and Portuguese police".
That "co-operation" has so far resulted in that plane load of investigating PJ detectives going missing, (presumably on route to the UK via the Bermuda Triangle), and almost daily newspaper reports suggesting that the regoratory letters really are almost ready. Throughout November. And December. Except the Home Office here apparently decided to let the McCanns enjoy Christmas before facing any questions. Although which Christmas and how many of them they failed to elaborate on.
Because here we are, at the end of the first week of the New Year. The papers are still assuring us that 'next week' the PJ are coming knocking. Except theyv'e been saying that for weeks.
Perhaps, when Gordon Brown was alleged to have said he was "preparing the public" for the developments in this case, maybe he was referring to something else. Maybe he was wanting to get the Lisbon Treaty out of the way, maybe he was awaiting the results of another court case, the findings of which he already knew about, the Omagh Case. How on earth could anyone allow those poor McCanns to face a trial built predominantly on DNA evidence already rubbished here in the UK? Not just casting doubts on the validity of but seriously RUBBISHED.
Immediately after the McCanns were made arguidos, the Press here toyed with the idea of the McCanns guilt. Or at least they gave consideration to the possibility that the PJ actually might have had some evidence. The result? The Home Secretary, Jacqui Smith, (no less), appeared on TV to tell the Media to "stop speculating and allow us all to return to finding Madeleine" Presumably, Ms.Smith doesn't consider the daily asanine drivel, purportedly coming from Metodo3, to be speculative or restrictive in the search for Madeleine.
Perhaps, like Clarence and Metodo 3, Mr. Brown feels that the continued daily onslaught of lies and garbage will disorientate the populace to such a degree that we will utterly refuse to believe a further, single word on the matter. Mirror-forum
(Spudgun maakt in 't begin een verwijzing naar Tiberius 7 omdat die poster een verklaard pro-McCann is)
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En dat zou zo maar eens kunnen. Ik zelf heb nog een mogelijk aanwijzing qua 'bescherming' van Gerry McCann door Gordon Brown ivm, een mega-operatie (vandaag gelanceerd) wat het volgende betreft: Health screening plans unveiled "Patients in England will be offered screening for early signs of heart disease, stroke and kidney disease, Prime Minister Gordon Brown has said." BBC
Men kan er van uitgaan dat ook de British Heart Foundation hier mee te maken heeft en dan kom men vanzelf dit feitje tegen: "Gerry has gone back to work half-days, and has finally told the British Heart Foundation he plans to go ahead with the research fellowship they awarded him, a week before he was accused of being involved in his daughter’s death. He had told me, weeks ago, about the six-figure grant and how it meant almost nothing in terms of professional advancement, but might one day help in the prevention and treatment of heart disease." The Times December 16, 2007
(Justice for Madeleine)
En Spudgun krijgt gelijk: "You see? Before you can assess and determine a lie, you get hit with another. And another." Onder het mom van, als eindconclusie: "Perhaps, like Clarence and Metodo 3, Mr. Brown feels that the continued daily onslaught of lies and garbage will disorientate the populace to such a degree that we will utterly refuse to believe a further, single word on the matter."
Want vandaag schrijft The Miirror: New lead on Madeleine "A second British tourist has reported seeing a mystery man hanging around Madeleine McCann's holiday flat just days before she vanished. Gail Cooper, 50, said she was confronted by the "creepy" stranger at her holiday villa in Portugal." Te verwaarlozen nieuws maar we zullen er inderdaad nog veel van lezen en er op een gegeven moment geen aandacht meer aan schenken, wat uiteindelijk ook de bedoeling is...
En verder maken een aantal kranten wel melding van de gevonden bewezen bloedsporen:
- MADELEINE: IT WAS HER BLOOD IN PARENTS’ HIRE CAR Daily Express
- Blood found in McCanns' hire car 'DID come from Madeleine' Daily Mail
- BLOOD IN CAR IS MADDIE'S – OFFICIAL "Last month, Omagh bomb suspect Sean Hoey walked free after a judge decided this type of testing was not at a sufficiently scientific level to be considered evidence. The Association of Chief Police Officers then announced it was suspending use of the technique in criminal inquiries. And the Crown Prosecution Service in England and Wales is reviewing a number of cases in which it was involved. That means the results in Madeleine’s case could probably never be used in court." Daily Star
- McCann rage at new DNA claim The Sun Clarence Mitchell: “It is ridiculous to suggest Madeleine’s blood was in the car because she was never in it. Kate and Gerry were in no way involved in her death, or in disposing of her body.” Met andere woorden, ze weten dat Madeleine niet meer leeft...
- New claims on blood in McCann's hire car The Scotsman
(Justice for Madeleine)
[ Bericht 1% gewijzigd door Suko op 08-01-2008 10:46:51 (Typo's) ]
Want vandaag schrijft The Miirror: New lead on Madeleine "A second British tourist has reported seeing a mystery man hanging around Madeleine McCann's holiday flat just days before she vanished. Gail Cooper, 50, said she was confronted by the "creepy" stranger at her holiday villa in Portugal." Te verwaarlozen nieuws maar we zullen er inderdaad nog veel van lezen en er op een gegeven moment geen aandacht meer aan schenken, wat uiteindelijk ook de bedoeling is...
En verder maken een aantal kranten wel melding van de gevonden bewezen bloedsporen:
- MADELEINE: IT WAS HER BLOOD IN PARENTS’ HIRE CAR Daily Express
- Blood found in McCanns' hire car 'DID come from Madeleine' Daily Mail
- BLOOD IN CAR IS MADDIE'S – OFFICIAL "Last month, Omagh bomb suspect Sean Hoey walked free after a judge decided this type of testing was not at a sufficiently scientific level to be considered evidence. The Association of Chief Police Officers then announced it was suspending use of the technique in criminal inquiries. And the Crown Prosecution Service in England and Wales is reviewing a number of cases in which it was involved. That means the results in Madeleine’s case could probably never be used in court." Daily Star
- McCann rage at new DNA claim The Sun Clarence Mitchell: “It is ridiculous to suggest Madeleine’s blood was in the car because she was never in it. Kate and Gerry were in no way involved in her death, or in disposing of her body.” Met andere woorden, ze weten dat Madeleine niet meer leeft...
- New claims on blood in McCann's hire car The Scotsman
(Justice for Madeleine)
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nu.nlquote:'Bloed in auto toch van Madeleine'
Uitgegeven: 8 januari 2008 10:22
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AMSTERDAM - De bloedsporen in de huurauto van Gerry en Kate McCann blijken na nader forensisch onderzoek toch van het vermiste dochtertje Madeleine te zijn. Dat meldt de Daily Mail dinsdag.
Het vermoeden dat het meisje dood is en de ouders verantwoordelijk zijn voor het dumpen van het lichaam wordt daarmee volgens de Portugese politie groter.
Beschadigd
Eerder DNA-onderzoek kon niet bevestigen dat het bloed in zowel de auto als de flat van Madeleine afkomstig is doordat het genetisch materiaal was beschadigd. Met een nieuwe techniek kon het beschadigde DNA wel goed worden onderzocht.
Zelfs kleine, beschadigde monsters kunnen met de zogenaamde 'low copy number analysis' onderzocht worden. De uitslag van de test spreekt in het voordeel van politie en justitie.
Verklaringen
De ouders hebben altijd volgehouden dat er onschuldige verklaringen zijn voor de bloedsporen. Het bloed zou afkomstig zijn van hun twee jaar oude tweeling.
De Britse krant meldt ook dat er binnenkort Portugese inspecteurs richting Engeland vertrekken om het echtpaar opnieuw te verhoren.
* I intend to live forever, so far so good! *
Goedemorgen!quote:Op dinsdag 8 januari 2008 10:37 schreef Suko het volgende:
En Spudgun krijgt gelijk: "You see? Before you can assess and determine a lie, you get hit with another. And another." Onder het mom van, als eindconclusie: "Perhaps, like Clarence and Metodo 3, Mr. Brown feels that the continued daily onslaught of lies and garbage will disorientate the populace to such a degree that we will utterly refuse to believe a further, single word on the matter."
Want vandaag schrijft The Miirror: New lead on Madeleine "A second British tourist has reported seeing a mystery man hanging around Madeleine McCann's holiday flat just days before she vanished. Gail Cooper, 50, said she was confronted by the "creepy" stranger at her holiday villa in Portugal." Te verwaarlozen nieuws maar we zullen er inderdaad nog veel van lezen en er op een gegeven moment geen aandacht meer aan schenken, wat uiteindelijk ook de bedoeling is...
En verder maken een aantal kranten wel melding van de gevonden bewezen bloedsporen:
- MADELEINE: IT WAS HER BLOOD IN PARENTS’ HIRE CAR Daily Express
- Blood found in McCanns' hire car 'DID come from Madeleine' Daily Mail
- BLOOD IN CAR IS MADDIE'S – OFFICIAL "Last month, Omagh bomb suspect Sean Hoey walked free after a judge decided this type of testing was not at a sufficiently scientific level to be considered evidence. The Association of Chief Police Officers then announced it was suspending use of the technique in criminal inquiries. And the Crown Prosecution Service in England and Wales is reviewing a number of cases in which it was involved. That means the results in Madeleine’s case could probably never be used in court." Daily Star
- McCann rage at new DNA claim The Sun Clarence Mitchell: “It is ridiculous to suggest Madeleine’s blood was in the car because she was never in it. Kate and Gerry were in no way involved in her death, or in disposing of her body.” Met andere woorden, ze weten dat Madeleine niet meer leeft...
- New claims on blood in McCann's hire car The Scotsman
(Justice for Madeleine)
Al met al heeft kamp McCann dus ruimschoots de kans gekregen zich te hergroeperen en CM begint al weer rediculous te roepen,
dit komt wel weer heel goed uit zeg, die stijve, starre houding van de rechterlijke macht daar, zo bang voor vernieuwing en verbeterde forensische technieken dat het gewoon terzijde gegooid dient te worden.quote:"Last month, Omagh bomb suspect Sean Hoey walked free after a judge decided this type of testing was not at a sufficiently scientific level to be considered evidence. The Association of Chief Police Officers then announced it was suspending use of the technique in criminal inquiries. And the Crown Prosecution Service in England and Wales is reviewing a number of cases in which it was involved. That means the results in Madeleine’s case could probably never be used in court."
be nice or go away
Goedemorgen Kahaarin. 
Je moet er toch niet aan denken dat Gordon Brown het allemaal al wist wat betreft die Omaghzaak (precedent voor andere zaken) , en dat het daarom misschien zou kunnen dat de gevonden DNA-sporen middels Low copy number DNA 'toevallig' worden benoemd en wss door de Britse rechtbank niet ontvankelijk wordt verklaard.
Ondertussen...
Madeleine the movie: McCanns in talks over missing daughter's story
(Justice for Madeleine)
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Je moet er toch niet aan denken dat Gordon Brown het allemaal al wist wat betreft die Omaghzaak (precedent voor andere zaken) , en dat het daarom misschien zou kunnen dat de gevonden DNA-sporen middels Low copy number DNA 'toevallig' worden benoemd en wss door de Britse rechtbank niet ontvankelijk wordt verklaard. Ondertussen...
Madeleine the movie: McCanns in talks over missing daughter's story
Waar is m'n teiltje....quote:The McCanns are set to turn the story of their daughter into a film. Kate and Gerry are in negotiations with the world's largest talent and entertainment agency, IMG, in a deal which could be worth millions.
The money would help fund the search for Madeleine amid fears that the £1.2 million raised from public donations will soon run out. A source close to the McCanns said: "We would only get involved with something done sensitively and considerately."
If a deal is done with IMG, it would involve using the same team that made Touching The Void, an award-winning drama-documentary about the fight for survival of two British climbers lost on a mountain. The couple are also considering a book deal and selling interviews to television broadcasters with all proceeds going to the Madeleine Fund, the body set up to finance the search for the girl.
Madeleine was six days short of her fourth birthday when she vanished from her bed in the family's holiday apartment in Praia da Luz in Portugal on May 3. The film project will be discussed at a meeting of the fund's directors, including Gerry, tomorrow night at the McCanns' home in Rothley, Leicestershire.
The Madeleine Fund is committed to spending £50,000 a month on a Spanish private detective agency. It is also paying for a poster and television advertising campaign in Spain, Portugal and Morocco, where there have been several alleged sightings. Estimates suggest at least £500,000 has already been spent.
A source close to the McCann family said: "Donations from the public are still coming in but to sustain the fund properly, we will need larger amounts. "If the media are prepared to make donations, we will take the money. There are a few propositions out there.
"We have had a couple of large companies involved in the film industry approach us about a long-term deal. IMG and the production company behind Touching The Void have approached Kate and Gerry. They have sent them a tape to watch to see the sort of film they make. We have only had a preliminary discussion."
Touching The Void, which earned £7 million at the box office, is the most successful British-made documentary, winning best British film at the 2004 Baftas and an Evening Standard best film.
Directed by Oscar-winner Kevin Macdonald and made by the London-based production company Darlow Smithson, it tells the story of Joe Simpson and Simon Yates and their near-fatal attempt to climb a mountain in the Peruvian Andes through a mixture of interviews with them and dramatic reconstructions. A movie of the McCanns' torment in the Algarve, if made by the Touching The Void team, could follow a similar method.
The source close to the McCanns warned that the couple will only be able to begin negotiations in earnest provided their status as official suspects - or arguidos - is lifted by Portuguese police. The couple's lawyers will apply for it to be removed in the coming months, once the doctors, both aged 39, have been re-interviewed by police amid reports that forensic evidence against them is at best "indicative" of their involvement in Madeleine's disappearance.
They insist the girl was abducted from their holiday apartment eight months ago as they ate at a nearby tapas restaurant and that she could still be alive. The source added: "The million-pound film deal is possible. It is the sort of thing we would look at seriously because in one fell swoop we could resolve the funding of the search overnight.
"What would really help is for the arguido status to be lifted and then a wave of sympathy would lead to more money coming in." The meeting tomorrow follows the resignation of key board members, including the fund's spokeswoman Esther McVey.
The fund agreed a deal in the autumn to pay the Barcelona-based agency Metodo 3 a retainer of £50,000 a month for six months to find Madeleine. Metodo 3 has come in for criticism over comments made by its boss Francisco Marco, including one that he knew who kidnapped Madeleine and a promise to find her by Christmas.
The fund has also been criticised for paying two months' worth of mortgage payments, amounting to a few thousand pounds, on the McCanns' home while they were in Portugal and unable to work. The services of the family's official spokesman, Clarence Mitchell, as well as the McCanns' legal team, is paid for by the couple's multi-millionaire supporter Brian Kennedy. Daily Mail
(Justice for Madeleine)
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Ik doe mee:quote:Op dinsdag 8 januari 2008 12:10 schreef Suko het volgende:
Goedemorgen Kahaarin.
Ondertussen...
Madeleine the movie: McCanns in talks over missing daughter's story
Waar is m'n teiltje....
(Justice for Madeleine)
GB heeft ruimschoots de tijd gekregen om het uit te zoeken en om een strategie te bedenken, ik snap niet hoe dit nieuws zo laat naar buiten is gebracht in de mainstream Britse pers, er heeft iemand heel hard aan touwtjes getrokken om er een deksel op te doen.
http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/newsdetail1.asp?storyID=130367quote:Portuguese police investigating the disappearance of British toddler Madeleine McCann say they have enough proof to charge her parents.
The Sunday Mail says detectives plan to travel to the UK to re-interview Gerry and Kate McCann. However it is claimed they already have enough evidence to mount a case against the couple and expatriate British suspect Robert Murat. It has not been revealed what crimes the couple or Mr Murat would be charged with.
Madeline vanished from a Portuguese hotel in May while her parents ate at a nearby restaurant. It has been claimed the blood found in a car hired by the parents weeks after she disappeared, definitely came from the British girl.
Portuguese newspaper Correio da Manha has cited police sources as saying new tests on blood found in the hire car conclusively showed it was the three year olds. It says police now have no doubts as to the little girl's fate.
Kate and Gerry McCann deny any involvement in their daughter's disappearance, they insist the presence of Madeleine's blood in the car is impossible because it was hired almost four weeks after she vanished.
Hopelijk zullen ze in Portugal dit bewijs wel toelaten, misschien worden ze toch daar berecht, niet meer dan terecht want daar zijn de feiten gepleegd toch?
be nice or go away
Ik snap alleen niet:
1. Hoe ze ongemerkt dat lijk kunnen vervoeren met alle pers en politie
2. Een lijk bloedt niet na 25 dagen, dunkt me (en zoiets vervoer je in dekens)
1. Hoe ze ongemerkt dat lijk kunnen vervoeren met alle pers en politie
2. Een lijk bloedt niet na 25 dagen, dunkt me (en zoiets vervoer je in dekens)
Alle pers dabberde rond de McCanns, een medeplichtige kon best een tas met daarin het lijkje verdonkeremanen, de verdwenen tennistas van Gerry remember?quote:Op dinsdag 8 januari 2008 12:33 schreef Flawless2006 het volgende:
Ik snap alleen niet:
1. Hoe ze ongemerkt dat lijk kunnen vervoeren met alle pers en politie
2. Een lijk bloedt niet na 25 dagen, dunkt me (en zoiets vervoer je in dekens)
Ik ben er van overtuigd dat de Tapas 7 er meer van weten, en dat die ook iets te verbergen hebben.
Er is in eerste instantie ook nooit gesproken van bloed in de scenic maar van 'bodily fluids', in die streek kan ik me voorstellen dat een 25 dagen oud lichaam enigzins lekt....
be nice or go away
Dit is een babelfish vertaling van het Portugese oordeel over de DNA uitslagen, zij nemen een grotere slag om de arm, vreemd, in het begin werd er in de Portugese pers juist meer gespeculeerd.
Orginele bron: http://www1.folha.uol.com.br/folha/mundo/ult94u361186.shtmlquote:The British doctors Kate and Gerry McCann, parents of Madeleine, 4, missing person since 3 of May in the south of Portugal, had been again in the center of accusations after to be divulged that the blood found in a vehicle rented for the couple is of the girl. according to Portuguese periodical "Post office of the Morning", the samples of blood found in the Renault Scenic, rented for the McCann 25 days after the disappearance of the son, and behind a sofa in the hotel room where the family was housed in beach of the Light would be of Madeleine, evidence that fortifies the theory of that it has been assassinated for the parents. Until the moment, the forensic results had been inconclusivos. However, according to Portuguese periodical, exists a bond enters these samples of blood and Madeleine. Moreover, the English tablóide "The Sun" informed that resulted "definitive" of the laboratory of Forensic Sciences of Birmingham, in England, they apóiam the theory of that the girl was assassinated in the apartment, and that its body soon was carried in a vehicle. The Portuguese Judicial Policy reconstituted the occurrence with the girl, since the moment where it disappeared in the night of last day 3 of May. In turn, the official spokesman of the McCann, Clarence Mitchell, characterized "the very painful" version as for Kate and Gerry. "They are depressed, since one more time rumors without bedding and speculations are being presented as concrete evidence", it added. "and with relation to the DNA examinations, that official of policy said this? That official source is cited? None, as always ", said Mitchell. according to spokesman of the McCann "is ridicule" to suggest that the blood of Madeleine was in the automobile "since it never was in the vehicle". "Kate and Gerry in way none had been tied with its death, or with the transport of the body", it continued. The periodical "Post office of the Morning" based its information supposedly citing next sources to the inquiry that if oppose to the version of the McCann.
be nice or go away
Mag ik er fijntjes aan herinneren dat ik al eens Madeleine the Movie voorgesteld heb voor dit topic. Niets, maar dan ook niets is ze te dol ook al lijkt het of het kaartenhuis in elkaar valt nu kennelijk een aantal mensen niet langer bestuurder van het 'fonds voor de hypotheek en de rent a witness' willen zijn.
Here we are now, entertain us.
Krijg nou wat, The Times: "The spokesman would not speculate on whether Gerry and Kate would play themselves in any movie or whether their roles would be played by celebrity actors. Mr Mitchell said: “While it may be hugely entertaining and a bit of fun to think of cast lists, we are a million miles away from that sort of thing."
Soms moet ik dingen een paar keer lezen voordat ik echt lees én begrijp wát er staat...
Overigens is vorige maand al over deze mogelijke filmdeal (en een boek) gesproken, in december dus, toen de McCanns het extra moelijk hadden, zoals ze ons toen met die berichten bombardeerden en ons verzekerde dat ze er van uitgingen dat Madeleine nog leeft. Dat is dus echt niet zo, nog een fragment: "Mr Mitchell said a film would be considered only if the McCanns believed it would help raise awareness of the case or if it could help fund the search for the missing four-year-old."
En ook: "“If we feel any particular proposal in the media has validity in helping us find Madeleine, we are happy to discuss it.” He added: “The media are making money out of the situation themselves and we feel it is only fair and right that some aspect of that should come to the fund to help find Madeleine." >>> het complete artikel. (Tom Cruise zie ik wel in de rol van die Metodo 3-schavuit)
Oja, klein puntje nog, ze moeten alleen nog die Arguido-status kwijt kunnen, Gordon Brown > kom er maar in ! (wss is hij er al mee bezig)
(Justice for Madeleine)
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Soms moet ik dingen een paar keer lezen voordat ik echt lees én begrijp wát er staat...
Overigens is vorige maand al over deze mogelijke filmdeal (en een boek) gesproken, in december dus, toen de McCanns het extra moelijk hadden, zoals ze ons toen met die berichten bombardeerden en ons verzekerde dat ze er van uitgingen dat Madeleine nog leeft. Dat is dus echt niet zo, nog een fragment: "Mr Mitchell said a film would be considered only if the McCanns believed it would help raise awareness of the case or if it could help fund the search for the missing four-year-old."
En ook: "“If we feel any particular proposal in the media has validity in helping us find Madeleine, we are happy to discuss it.” He added: “The media are making money out of the situation themselves and we feel it is only fair and right that some aspect of that should come to the fund to help find Madeleine." >>> het complete artikel. (Tom Cruise zie ik wel in de rol van die Metodo 3-schavuit)
Oja, klein puntje nog, ze moeten alleen nog die Arguido-status kwijt kunnen, Gordon Brown > kom er maar in ! (wss is hij er al mee bezig)
(Justice for Madeleine)
[ Bericht 3% gewijzigd door Suko op 08-01-2008 19:35:48 (typo+toevoeging) ]
